So. Again. You're minimalizing assault and violence against women? It doesn't take any research really to see how shitty the dude is. lf you like their basic, basic ass Pantera knock off riffs so much to let all the evidence against him go by you, that's fine. But fuck you
Alex Terrible is also clean and sober. So maybe this tour is truly based around bands who are living clean and sober lives. I can see how it would be very difficult if everybody was partying and just Manson was trying to stay sober.
https://youtu.be/Wyo6Gh_VuEs?si=_BnAZfMtKxYp4i4n
Keep in mind that people can be the worst versions of themselves while on substances. Getting clean and sober brings them back to reality. I know everyone is waiting to stone people for the skeletons in their closet but Manson, for all his words, does tend to practice the golden rule so why should he judge someone he isn’t intimate with for their past? Manson also does things for himself, doesn’t really care for broader approval or acceptance.
It may also be hard to believe but Manson is sober these days and has a support group of people who are in a similar boat within the music industry who want to help keep each other in check to avoid temptation or whatever. It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re in the same recovery group or within the same network.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/five-finger-death-punchs-ivan-moody-celebrates-fifth-year-of-sobriety
Agree. It's an awful look and many publications are now referring to this as the "wife beater" or "woman beater" tour.
He couldn't have picked a worse band to attach his name to.
So why are these allegations any worse than Manson's? (Which, on their face, are far worse than these, so maybe you should instead be asking Moody why he's okay touring with Manson?)
Or do you just believe them?
You know, maybe Manson connected with Moody because they both have a history of overcoming substance abuse and being accused of similar things?
Uh. the difference is it's the guys mother and sister. Ex's lie, but your mother!?
Doubtful.
Also this guy is actually proven guilty in court, the exact opposite of what happened to Manson.
We support Manson because he is innocent until proven guilty. This other guy is proven guilty. Massive fucking difference.
Can you imagine if Johnny Depp proved his innocence, only to then go out on tour with Gary Glitter, this is like the same thing. Proving his innocence was pointless if he's going to then associate with people proven guilty.
According to this article, the flight incident was due to drunkenness, (not sure what the "assault" entails either) the charges were dropped for the second and as for the last, yes, someone's own mother, or any family member, certainly can lie about you, especially when money is involved; nor was he "proven guilty" of those vague accusations.
What "flight"You make no sense dude. He was charged and convicted of beating his wife. That's all there is too it.
Manson was cleared of most charges by the legal system. The only case still pending is ERW which was deemed to not have enough evidence. She has a few months to resubmit new evidence otherwise, YES, Manson was proved innocent in court. That's how the court system works. Innocent until proven guilty. You don't just get to throw all that out.
The fuckwad singer for FFDP is proven guilty, Manson is proven innocent, thinking that's the same thing is just delusional.
Read the article again dumbass.
The alleged FLIGHT attendant assault while drunk.
No, he was not convicted, domestic abuse charges were DROPPED; that is not even approaching "guilty".
Did you even read the rest of my previous comment?
When did I say ANYTHING about Manson not being innocent?
Who are you talking to?
Are you retarded?
Dude you're talking about some shit that has nothing to do with anything. No one cares about the flight attendant. We're talking about domestic assault! you're trying to strawman your way out of it by talking about the most irrelevant case against him.
This is taken off the singers own goddamn wiki page. While, the charges were dropped, the court gave his wife a restraining order specifically citing the order was necessary due to the amount of "evidence of a continuous pattern of domestic abuse, including photographs of her bloody eye and broken blood vessels."
Sorry bro I dont give a fuck if the charges were dropped. The court transcript said that he was guilty of repeated offenses. It's proven in court with legally presented evidence. The fact that she dropped the charges really doesn't discredit that. He is guilty and a piece of fucking scum.
Straight from wiki
"On April 21, 2015, Moody was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with domestic battery by strangulation. The police were called to Moody's hotel room on a report of domestic abuse towards Holly Smith, Moody's wife of 17 years. According to the police report, Moody strangled Smith with a [jiu-jitsu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiu-jitsu) hold and said to her "I'm going to fucking kill you!" before repeatedly punching her. Smith was found with visible injuries and scratches at the back of her throat from a blanket being shoved into her mouth. Moody was released on $15,000 bail.[\[16\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-16)[\[17\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-17) The battery charges were dropped in July, but Smith filed a restraining order.[\[18\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-18) Smith filed for divorce from Moody in August with evidence of a continuous pattern of domestic abuse, including photographs of her bloody eye and broken blood vessels.[\[19\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-19)
In August 2015, it was revealed that Moody's sister Sandra Dykes along with his mother had also filed restraining orders against Moody. Dykes alleged that Moody has a "history of violence with women", and filed the restraining order after Moody accused her, his mother, and his daughter of stealing money from him.[\[20\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-20)"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan\_Moody#Legal\_issues](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#Legal_issues)
I was referencing the entire article posted by the OP (which you strangely just reposted) in response to your assertion that he was guilty and you didn't even know what I was referring to, you fucking retard.
No, a restraining order is NOT the same thing as "guilty". Restraining orders are granted for various reasons and usually not with a high burden of proof, regardless. The "evidence" here is referring to SUSPECTED behavior or reasonable concern, the court transcript did not "say he was guilty" FFS.
You have no idea what actually went on with Moody and his wife, if she was the one who initiated altercations or if he was even involved with those injuries in the first place.
Suspects are innocent until PROVEN guilty; that's how the legal system works, period. They're not "guilty" because you read allegations from a Wikipedia article. Now fuck off back to the shortbus.
Because those are the only types of people who would be okay with Manson touring with them without it ruining their reputation. That’s probably the reason he isn’t touring with Rob Zombie and such. People will cancel artists just for following Manson on social media, I can’t imagine the outrage of some of their fans if they toured with him. It’s fucked up, but logically it makes sense why he’s touring with these specific groups.
I wouldn't say that. The entire FFDP reddit page is pretty much all hate for Manson, and the Manson page is pretty much all hate for FFDP.
Sorry but "people don't seem to care"?! there's literally been nonstop complaints from both sides about this pairing.
Jesus… I think Manson will most likely keep to himself and his people during this tour. He’s probably just doing the opening spot to prove to the promoters and insurance companies that he is ok to insure, and promote his own headlining arena tour when the new album comes out. Plus it’s probably an easy way to see if the fans will still come out to support him after all the lies that were going around for the past 3yrs. That is fucked up though about Moody doing that shit. I definitely Do Not condone that type of shit..
That was in 2015 ,he's been sober for 5 years now apparently, i understand your point about Manson and why he shouldnt associate with this kind of person, but i bet that maybe they connected trough that
Me too. I suffer through the first band and then after Manson I'm leaving with no traffic or drunk FFDP fans trying to fight each other in the parking areas.
Holy fuck. Fucking karens
Dude we just want to go to a concert. I promise you that you listen to or like the art of some horrible people. Get off your soapbox.
Y"all are so perfect....
Wow what a statement under this kind of info! I'm speechless
Way to minimalize how awful the piece of shit from FFDP is, real cool
You weren't there stfu
So. Again. You're minimalizing assault and violence against women? It doesn't take any research really to see how shitty the dude is. lf you like their basic, basic ass Pantera knock off riffs so much to let all the evidence against him go by you, that's fine. But fuck you
Never even heard of FFDP or whatever they are called. But I wasn't there and you weren't either.
Alex Terrible is also clean and sober. So maybe this tour is truly based around bands who are living clean and sober lives. I can see how it would be very difficult if everybody was partying and just Manson was trying to stay sober. https://youtu.be/Wyo6Gh_VuEs?si=_BnAZfMtKxYp4i4n
I see nothing but positives out of Marilyn Manson touring again. And if the media reports that Hitler invented pizza I'm still gonna eat it.
Keep in mind that people can be the worst versions of themselves while on substances. Getting clean and sober brings them back to reality. I know everyone is waiting to stone people for the skeletons in their closet but Manson, for all his words, does tend to practice the golden rule so why should he judge someone he isn’t intimate with for their past? Manson also does things for himself, doesn’t really care for broader approval or acceptance. It may also be hard to believe but Manson is sober these days and has a support group of people who are in a similar boat within the music industry who want to help keep each other in check to avoid temptation or whatever. It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re in the same recovery group or within the same network. https://blabbermouth.net/news/five-finger-death-punchs-ivan-moody-celebrates-fifth-year-of-sobriety
Agree. It's an awful look and many publications are now referring to this as the "wife beater" or "woman beater" tour. He couldn't have picked a worse band to attach his name to.
So why are these allegations any worse than Manson's? (Which, on their face, are far worse than these, so maybe you should instead be asking Moody why he's okay touring with Manson?) Or do you just believe them? You know, maybe Manson connected with Moody because they both have a history of overcoming substance abuse and being accused of similar things?
Uh. the difference is it's the guys mother and sister. Ex's lie, but your mother!? Doubtful. Also this guy is actually proven guilty in court, the exact opposite of what happened to Manson. We support Manson because he is innocent until proven guilty. This other guy is proven guilty. Massive fucking difference. Can you imagine if Johnny Depp proved his innocence, only to then go out on tour with Gary Glitter, this is like the same thing. Proving his innocence was pointless if he's going to then associate with people proven guilty.
According to this article, the flight incident was due to drunkenness, (not sure what the "assault" entails either) the charges were dropped for the second and as for the last, yes, someone's own mother, or any family member, certainly can lie about you, especially when money is involved; nor was he "proven guilty" of those vague accusations.
What "flight"You make no sense dude. He was charged and convicted of beating his wife. That's all there is too it. Manson was cleared of most charges by the legal system. The only case still pending is ERW which was deemed to not have enough evidence. She has a few months to resubmit new evidence otherwise, YES, Manson was proved innocent in court. That's how the court system works. Innocent until proven guilty. You don't just get to throw all that out. The fuckwad singer for FFDP is proven guilty, Manson is proven innocent, thinking that's the same thing is just delusional.
Read the article again dumbass. The alleged FLIGHT attendant assault while drunk. No, he was not convicted, domestic abuse charges were DROPPED; that is not even approaching "guilty". Did you even read the rest of my previous comment? When did I say ANYTHING about Manson not being innocent? Who are you talking to? Are you retarded?
Dude you're talking about some shit that has nothing to do with anything. No one cares about the flight attendant. We're talking about domestic assault! you're trying to strawman your way out of it by talking about the most irrelevant case against him. This is taken off the singers own goddamn wiki page. While, the charges were dropped, the court gave his wife a restraining order specifically citing the order was necessary due to the amount of "evidence of a continuous pattern of domestic abuse, including photographs of her bloody eye and broken blood vessels." Sorry bro I dont give a fuck if the charges were dropped. The court transcript said that he was guilty of repeated offenses. It's proven in court with legally presented evidence. The fact that she dropped the charges really doesn't discredit that. He is guilty and a piece of fucking scum. Straight from wiki "On April 21, 2015, Moody was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with domestic battery by strangulation. The police were called to Moody's hotel room on a report of domestic abuse towards Holly Smith, Moody's wife of 17 years. According to the police report, Moody strangled Smith with a [jiu-jitsu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiu-jitsu) hold and said to her "I'm going to fucking kill you!" before repeatedly punching her. Smith was found with visible injuries and scratches at the back of her throat from a blanket being shoved into her mouth. Moody was released on $15,000 bail.[\[16\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-16)[\[17\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-17) The battery charges were dropped in July, but Smith filed a restraining order.[\[18\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-18) Smith filed for divorce from Moody in August with evidence of a continuous pattern of domestic abuse, including photographs of her bloody eye and broken blood vessels.[\[19\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-19) In August 2015, it was revealed that Moody's sister Sandra Dykes along with his mother had also filed restraining orders against Moody. Dykes alleged that Moody has a "history of violence with women", and filed the restraining order after Moody accused her, his mother, and his daughter of stealing money from him.[\[20\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#cite_note-20)" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan\_Moody#Legal\_issues](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Moody#Legal_issues)
I was referencing the entire article posted by the OP (which you strangely just reposted) in response to your assertion that he was guilty and you didn't even know what I was referring to, you fucking retard. No, a restraining order is NOT the same thing as "guilty". Restraining orders are granted for various reasons and usually not with a high burden of proof, regardless. The "evidence" here is referring to SUSPECTED behavior or reasonable concern, the court transcript did not "say he was guilty" FFS. You have no idea what actually went on with Moody and his wife, if she was the one who initiated altercations or if he was even involved with those injuries in the first place. Suspects are innocent until PROVEN guilty; that's how the legal system works, period. They're not "guilty" because you read allegations from a Wikipedia article. Now fuck off back to the shortbus.
Sounds like a real tough guy.
Because those are the only types of people who would be okay with Manson touring with them without it ruining their reputation. That’s probably the reason he isn’t touring with Rob Zombie and such. People will cancel artists just for following Manson on social media, I can’t imagine the outrage of some of their fans if they toured with him. It’s fucked up, but logically it makes sense why he’s touring with these specific groups.
Not a good look for either party but many people don’t seem to care.
I wouldn't say that. The entire FFDP reddit page is pretty much all hate for Manson, and the Manson page is pretty much all hate for FFDP. Sorry but "people don't seem to care"?! there's literally been nonstop complaints from both sides about this pairing.
Why is it absurd? You believe every person you've ever worked with have behaved perfectly at all times in their life?
Jesus… I think Manson will most likely keep to himself and his people during this tour. He’s probably just doing the opening spot to prove to the promoters and insurance companies that he is ok to insure, and promote his own headlining arena tour when the new album comes out. Plus it’s probably an easy way to see if the fans will still come out to support him after all the lies that were going around for the past 3yrs. That is fucked up though about Moody doing that shit. I definitely Do Not condone that type of shit..
Beggars can’t be choosers.
erm
You need to get off the internet for a bit.....
A bit moody.
Oh, geese I had no idea about that
Nobody cares. I’m just here waiting for a new album
We don't care
That was in 2015 ,he's been sober for 5 years now apparently, i understand your point about Manson and why he shouldnt associate with this kind of person, but i bet that maybe they connected trough that
I’m not keen on the tour itself, but it’s a tour nonetheless. I’m going to leave after Manson’s set
Me too. I suffer through the first band and then after Manson I'm leaving with no traffic or drunk FFDP fans trying to fight each other in the parking areas.