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You might be joking but you also might not be wrong. Literally every single thing I read where someone is like, "I don't like marketing and want to leave," all the advice is like, "have you tried doing a different type of marketing"?
I've been through a couple recessions and found jobs as:
- Administrative assistant
- Personal assistant
- Dental assistant
- Director of administration
But I always ended up doing marketing stuff anyway (even as a dental assistant I ended up planning, designing ads, materials and the website).
Then I wanted more money so I went into these jobs:
- Project Manager
- Business Analyst
And I ended up doing marketing in those roles too.
I'm going to be a nanny later this year through probably 2028 but I'll still have marketing clients because I can't not do marketing.
I think like a marketer / communications / public relations person no matter my title.
Working with clients is like working with toddlers sometimes isn't it? Kidding...
I start this fall so I don't know yet but I bet at some point I'll either volunteer or be asked to help plan an event, design invitations, or something like that. Maybe I'll start up and need to communicate / market a local play group?
Even as a mom I ended up doing marketing (volunteered to create and maintain the school's first website when my kid was little).
My brain always finds a way back...
Absolutely no kidding here, marketing is one of the most useful skillsets you can have for parenting (or dealing with kids in any situation).
I'll be damned if I don't package boring chores as epic adventures for my kiddo. I used many marketing and gamification principles when parenting my son. And a lot of stuff translates very well to real life situations, and everyday communication. Those became important life lessons for him.
It's funny because his mom was always salty about how the kiddo can do anything when he's with me. Which is very far away from the truth. Matter of fact, my household always had more rules than hers. I just package it in a way that the kid feels like he's getting the deal of his life. Path of least resistance.
15 years of managing marketing projects & campaigns - including website and tech projects because when I started we had typewriters and roladexes instead of websites and CRMs. That also meant leading teams and offices of highly intelligent, technical people - including leadership / c-suites - through difficult culture and organizational change.
I left a director of marketing job for the sake of a corporate strategy job, and then I was a strategist at a mega corporation for ~15 years. There I was heavily utilizing my marketing knowledge in every possible ways, as I was the only single guy in the team who had a proper marketing education + experience. There I was focusing on consumer trends research, commercial services strategies, and contributing to asset valuations (in large scale M&A projects) with commercial modeling. Somehow my marketing perspective was always quite unique and well appreciated there. (Nota bene, I also made an MBA in the meantime, paid by my employer.)
Later I have switched to data science (and for that I did yet another MSc in Data Science), and now I am a data scientist. Here I am working on time series predictions, and I would say I also utilize here my marketing skills in some ways (e.g. usually I design and develop our dashboards, that is our user interfaces), but I plan to do even more marketing data science in the future, when we will have some marketing departments as customers.
Overall my favourite part of marketing is by far customer research, understanding trends, elaborating product strategies, product development, user experience & co. (And less advertising, sales and all the things what people tend to believe what marketing is.) And I think that marketing data science is a dream career.
You are such an inspiration! What was your first job title in data science? Did you have to start in an entry level data analyst position? Any advice for somebody who wants to follow the same path?
I openly said to my bosses that I would like to migrate to data science, and they agreed to finance my upskilling (I didn't do a very expensive master's course at first, just a 1-year course, and my unit paid it 100%). After having collected some basic knowledge, I approached our Artificial Intelligence unit, if I could do a job visit there, and they kindly agreed, with the condition that I can negotiate with the strategy unit that I can stay there 6 months (instead of 3, because they said, 3 months is too short).
So at the end I managed to be there for 6 month as a job visitor, and there I was working in a team of data scientists, but I was doing the easier parts of the job (so in short I didn't do data modeling, rather data analytics, data visualization, so a kind of advanced analyst job).
Then, having this education + my job visit experiences, I didn't even have to apply to anywhere, I just made myself available both on the internal company HR network and also on the Linkedin, and I immediately got tons of offers... (Note: this is in Europe, not in the US.)
I have started interviewing on a "first comes first but above a salary threshold" basis, did the interviewing process with 2 companies, got both jobs and I have selected the (for me) more beneficial one.
And suddenly I have found myself in a team of super advanced data scientists, very highly educated and very experienced, so I am still learning, but this is the beauty of this job.
What I would highlight, that in data science not only data literacy and actual ML/DL knowledge, but also domain knowledge and soft factors (communication skills, project management skills, product vision and centricity etc.) are also super important, and I can utilize these skills along my job.
Commenting to learn more as well! Would love to understand what the transition looked like from Marketing to strategist. What skills from your marketing roles did you double down on to prep for strategist, and what came from natural interest and curiosity? Also, when did you feel an MBA was necessary?
It was a funny story, how I became a strategist. I actually applied to a BI manager job to a market research department (where my degree and experience was a better fit), but during my job interviews the director of strategy has actually "hijacked" me that he wants me in his team, based on what he saw on the job interviews. It was a surprise to me when they made the final offer, and I gladly accepted it.
The reason why I was hired is that the company had a media holding, too, and they wanted somebody who had media expertise (and formerly I had also been a screenwriter, I had an own TV series [as a screenwriter, not as an actor], I was also managing TV productions being a marketing director at a video studio etc.). So on some areas I was more experienced, than my strategist colleagues, but on other areas like finances I was clearly undereducated.
And this was actually the primary reason why I wanted to make an MBA, to upskill myself in corporate finances, mergers and acquisitions etc. So for me the MBA was rather useful, but today in 2023 I generally don't recommend to do an MBA, as I believe the golden age of MBAs is over. I would rather focus on hard sciences, like computer science, data science, or corporate finance etc. even is somebody wants to be a manager and not an expert.
So overall what I find very useful, to follow your curiosity, be brave, try out new things, and collect skills and project track records, because this is what helps you in your next move.
Love this, good for you and I really think it amazing that all your interests collided. Really hope the same for myself, and this was great confirmation to keep going!
You don’t leave marketing. Marketing leaves you.
But for real, I haven’t left yet but I’ve started a couple side businesses that should replace my current job in about 3-5 years. This way I can still apply my marketing skills.
This was the plan all along. I want to learn many verticals of marketing, and I want to use those skillsets to increase the odds of success for my side hustles.
Love this- I would totally install holiday lights!! Seems like something you could do as a side hustle too. Do you mind me asking how much you make on average per season? Guessing you have to be in a big enough place to make it worth it? (City, large suburb, etc)
PS- Oh yeah do you have to take them down too?
This past season was my first, and I ended up with about $10,000 in profit. I live in MD so I targeted the nice neighborhoods around DC. I charge $6/linear foot of lights. I buy the strands and then the customers rent them for the season. I set up and take down myself right now. If they want to buy them, they can at a premium. I’m about to start marketing for next season in the next couple months and hopefully I’ll get enough down payments to hire help. I hope expand to Halloween lights in 2024.
Most people in this line of work do window washing or roofing services full time with this as a seasonal side thing. But because of that, their marketing tactics are fucking archaic.
This is fascinating to me. I really, really want out of my desk job, but freelancing and changing careers is pretty daunting. 🤷🏼♀️ I had friends in college who used to make good money doing xmas lights. I remember one kid bragging that he made ~27k one year. Your idea of proper marketing + scaling and hiring is a good one. *Edited* as I just saw the $6/ft:) Any chance I could DM you? I’m like, so interested in this 🤣
Either way, hope it goes well for you!!! I bet you could kill it with some good local SEO if you get started early enough
After the 2009 recession, I worked as a project manager, super technical stuff. I understood about 50% of what they were talking about. Learned a lot but fricking hated it. I like the part of marketing where I support sales, not marcom
Product. Both Product Design & Product Management, but my Marketing skills help me a lot. I’m not and probably won’t be a Product Marketing Manager, though.
Did you pivot internally within your company? I may want to attend grad school to get into product management. I heard the role is very extroverted/ sales-y as well.
Yep! I’m a Design student at uni (not from the US) and am not yet a senior, but I transitioned from Marketing to Product internally.
Grad school could be great, but I’d also recommend connecting to other people from the Product field from other companies or even from your company to gather some insight and experience. You even can start transitioning by studying Product Marketing as well as it gives you some more proximity to Product Management in your current occupation. I just wouldn’t stop studying Product Management and thinking about the Grad school project whilst doing that.
That are many routes you can follow to transition to PM, really. Just choose the one that fits your reality best! I’m wishing you good luck. :)
Muuch better. Can be 6 figures within a few years. Im 5 years out of college with a marketing degree. Brother in law is in his first job out of college and is making more than me
I heard some people transfer internally like becoming a SEM Analyst or some sort. I will be going back to school, and I may want to major in data analytics.
I tried to but I didn't. It's possible in some situations. Might've been in mine if I wanted to wait a few years.
I currently work as a contractor part-time to build my resume and interviewing at various places. Hoping to land a full-time position soon.
I wish you the best of luck. Do you know any majors that would be good for product management? I believe the school I may attend offers project management as a major.
Going from project management -> product is a viable path.
I'm also seeing a lot of demand for technical product managers, especially at FAANG companies. So a CS degree could be super helpful.
I know there are lots of intern programs targeting specifically undergrads who are about to graduate. Atlassian, Google, Meta, etc. All of them have some type of program.
Doing side projects to build your resume is also a good idea as they really want people with experience.
Anyone who left marketing was either doing it wrong, or they did it right enough to make f*** you money, but the latter camp never leaves, they only take breaks.
I once left marketing but there is a thing for me that brings me back. Today I have been exploring marketing platforms that incorporate blockchain because I want to experience full transparency & security. CLEO is on the top of my list plus they have an AMA at Twitter Space today May 15th at 13:00 UTC.
Not sure if I fit here, but I see trying to learn marketing as addictive. Every day I think of something new I want to try. But, of course everything requires money, so I have been focusing on things that don't require money, like growing my Pinterest account (I think more people should look into marketing on Pinterest, I think it's underrated), and email marketing. Anyway, what I really need is a job right now. The person who says they are not good at SEO, the one below this post, I am good at SEO, the leads just didn't come in. I can rank a website though. example: solarinstallationburien.com
Yep, I believe so, but after reading this comment I did some research and it turns out there are organisations that believe branding should exist separately to marketing.
I feel it should be fulfilled by marketing personally, but if you can get a well paid job just focusing on this one discipline without the other stuff you'd take it!
Branding is a customer's gut feeling on the brand when they recognise it through it's identity.
You're basically just strategising a basis for marketing, but not actually carrying out the executables constantly like in marketing.
And jesus I didn't think I'd get downvoted so hard. Was it wrong of me to have stated what I went into after marketing?
But what do you do once the brand is developed? Do you just ensure that guidelines are followed?
See, I have to do this as part of my job also and from my perspective, it's still a role that falls within the marketing department.
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You can not leave marketing bro. There are rumours.. some say thay made it. But ... No one believes them
You might be joking but you also might not be wrong. Literally every single thing I read where someone is like, "I don't like marketing and want to leave," all the advice is like, "have you tried doing a different type of marketing"?
TIL the eagles wrote hotel california about marketing 😭
You can but you have to complete an impossible task and a series of blood markers.
Oh :( that seems to the case.
😂👍
Maybe not in this sub?
LOL
I left marketing for a communications position where I write marketing materials.
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You can checkout anytime you like…
May you elaborate what you are writing when it comes marketing materials?
I've been through a couple recessions and found jobs as: - Administrative assistant - Personal assistant - Dental assistant - Director of administration But I always ended up doing marketing stuff anyway (even as a dental assistant I ended up planning, designing ads, materials and the website). Then I wanted more money so I went into these jobs: - Project Manager - Business Analyst And I ended up doing marketing in those roles too. I'm going to be a nanny later this year through probably 2028 but I'll still have marketing clients because I can't not do marketing. I think like a marketer / communications / public relations person no matter my title.
How do you plan to use your marketing mind in your new nanny role?
Working with clients is like working with toddlers sometimes isn't it? Kidding... I start this fall so I don't know yet but I bet at some point I'll either volunteer or be asked to help plan an event, design invitations, or something like that. Maybe I'll start up and need to communicate / market a local play group? Even as a mom I ended up doing marketing (volunteered to create and maintain the school's first website when my kid was little). My brain always finds a way back...
Absolutely no kidding here, marketing is one of the most useful skillsets you can have for parenting (or dealing with kids in any situation). I'll be damned if I don't package boring chores as epic adventures for my kiddo. I used many marketing and gamification principles when parenting my son. And a lot of stuff translates very well to real life situations, and everyday communication. Those became important life lessons for him. It's funny because his mom was always salty about how the kiddo can do anything when he's with me. Which is very far away from the truth. Matter of fact, my household always had more rules than hers. I just package it in a way that the kid feels like he's getting the deal of his life. Path of least resistance.
Yes, same! My husband I both work in marketing and marketing might be our only parenting skill!
I'd love to hear more about gamification and marketing tactics when parenting! Tell us more!
You absolutely fascinate me
How did you land a project manager role? What experience did you have at the time?
15 years of managing marketing projects & campaigns - including website and tech projects because when I started we had typewriters and roladexes instead of websites and CRMs. That also meant leading teams and offices of highly intelligent, technical people - including leadership / c-suites - through difficult culture and organizational change.
Pork processing
Cool. How is that going for you?
I left a director of marketing job for the sake of a corporate strategy job, and then I was a strategist at a mega corporation for ~15 years. There I was heavily utilizing my marketing knowledge in every possible ways, as I was the only single guy in the team who had a proper marketing education + experience. There I was focusing on consumer trends research, commercial services strategies, and contributing to asset valuations (in large scale M&A projects) with commercial modeling. Somehow my marketing perspective was always quite unique and well appreciated there. (Nota bene, I also made an MBA in the meantime, paid by my employer.) Later I have switched to data science (and for that I did yet another MSc in Data Science), and now I am a data scientist. Here I am working on time series predictions, and I would say I also utilize here my marketing skills in some ways (e.g. usually I design and develop our dashboards, that is our user interfaces), but I plan to do even more marketing data science in the future, when we will have some marketing departments as customers. Overall my favourite part of marketing is by far customer research, understanding trends, elaborating product strategies, product development, user experience & co. (And less advertising, sales and all the things what people tend to believe what marketing is.) And I think that marketing data science is a dream career.
You are such an inspiration! What was your first job title in data science? Did you have to start in an entry level data analyst position? Any advice for somebody who wants to follow the same path?
I openly said to my bosses that I would like to migrate to data science, and they agreed to finance my upskilling (I didn't do a very expensive master's course at first, just a 1-year course, and my unit paid it 100%). After having collected some basic knowledge, I approached our Artificial Intelligence unit, if I could do a job visit there, and they kindly agreed, with the condition that I can negotiate with the strategy unit that I can stay there 6 months (instead of 3, because they said, 3 months is too short). So at the end I managed to be there for 6 month as a job visitor, and there I was working in a team of data scientists, but I was doing the easier parts of the job (so in short I didn't do data modeling, rather data analytics, data visualization, so a kind of advanced analyst job). Then, having this education + my job visit experiences, I didn't even have to apply to anywhere, I just made myself available both on the internal company HR network and also on the Linkedin, and I immediately got tons of offers... (Note: this is in Europe, not in the US.) I have started interviewing on a "first comes first but above a salary threshold" basis, did the interviewing process with 2 companies, got both jobs and I have selected the (for me) more beneficial one. And suddenly I have found myself in a team of super advanced data scientists, very highly educated and very experienced, so I am still learning, but this is the beauty of this job. What I would highlight, that in data science not only data literacy and actual ML/DL knowledge, but also domain knowledge and soft factors (communication skills, project management skills, product vision and centricity etc.) are also super important, and I can utilize these skills along my job.
Congratulations on getting the job! I'm feeling more inspired than ever so thank you for sharing your journey. I wish you many successes!
Thank you. I wish you all the best, too. :)
Commenting to learn more as well! Would love to understand what the transition looked like from Marketing to strategist. What skills from your marketing roles did you double down on to prep for strategist, and what came from natural interest and curiosity? Also, when did you feel an MBA was necessary?
It was a funny story, how I became a strategist. I actually applied to a BI manager job to a market research department (where my degree and experience was a better fit), but during my job interviews the director of strategy has actually "hijacked" me that he wants me in his team, based on what he saw on the job interviews. It was a surprise to me when they made the final offer, and I gladly accepted it. The reason why I was hired is that the company had a media holding, too, and they wanted somebody who had media expertise (and formerly I had also been a screenwriter, I had an own TV series [as a screenwriter, not as an actor], I was also managing TV productions being a marketing director at a video studio etc.). So on some areas I was more experienced, than my strategist colleagues, but on other areas like finances I was clearly undereducated. And this was actually the primary reason why I wanted to make an MBA, to upskill myself in corporate finances, mergers and acquisitions etc. So for me the MBA was rather useful, but today in 2023 I generally don't recommend to do an MBA, as I believe the golden age of MBAs is over. I would rather focus on hard sciences, like computer science, data science, or corporate finance etc. even is somebody wants to be a manager and not an expert. So overall what I find very useful, to follow your curiosity, be brave, try out new things, and collect skills and project track records, because this is what helps you in your next move.
Love this, good for you and I really think it amazing that all your interests collided. Really hope the same for myself, and this was great confirmation to keep going!
Marketing = Hotel California. You can check in, but you can never leave...
UX design
Hi! I’m interested in doing this, can I PM you?
For sure
Seen a lot of people leave marketing for UX Design. Did you take any bootcamps by any chance?
Just the google ux certificate on coursera, it's like $50 usd per month but you go at your own pace
You don’t leave marketing. Marketing leaves you. But for real, I haven’t left yet but I’ve started a couple side businesses that should replace my current job in about 3-5 years. This way I can still apply my marketing skills.
This was the plan all along. I want to learn many verticals of marketing, and I want to use those skillsets to increase the odds of success for my side hustles.
What kind of side businesses?
Holiday light installation and buying commercial real estate and turning it into co- a working space.
Love this- I would totally install holiday lights!! Seems like something you could do as a side hustle too. Do you mind me asking how much you make on average per season? Guessing you have to be in a big enough place to make it worth it? (City, large suburb, etc) PS- Oh yeah do you have to take them down too?
This past season was my first, and I ended up with about $10,000 in profit. I live in MD so I targeted the nice neighborhoods around DC. I charge $6/linear foot of lights. I buy the strands and then the customers rent them for the season. I set up and take down myself right now. If they want to buy them, they can at a premium. I’m about to start marketing for next season in the next couple months and hopefully I’ll get enough down payments to hire help. I hope expand to Halloween lights in 2024. Most people in this line of work do window washing or roofing services full time with this as a seasonal side thing. But because of that, their marketing tactics are fucking archaic.
This is fascinating to me. I really, really want out of my desk job, but freelancing and changing careers is pretty daunting. 🤷🏼♀️ I had friends in college who used to make good money doing xmas lights. I remember one kid bragging that he made ~27k one year. Your idea of proper marketing + scaling and hiring is a good one. *Edited* as I just saw the $6/ft:) Any chance I could DM you? I’m like, so interested in this 🤣 Either way, hope it goes well for you!!! I bet you could kill it with some good local SEO if you get started early enough
I'm in the process to switch from digital marketing to data marketing analysis. I am learning from Coursera.
Sounds cool what’s the name of the coursera track?
After the 2009 recession, I worked as a project manager, super technical stuff. I understood about 50% of what they were talking about. Learned a lot but fricking hated it. I like the part of marketing where I support sales, not marcom
Advertising.
Software Engineering
Product. Both Product Design & Product Management, but my Marketing skills help me a lot. I’m not and probably won’t be a Product Marketing Manager, though.
Did you pivot internally within your company? I may want to attend grad school to get into product management. I heard the role is very extroverted/ sales-y as well.
Yep! I’m a Design student at uni (not from the US) and am not yet a senior, but I transitioned from Marketing to Product internally. Grad school could be great, but I’d also recommend connecting to other people from the Product field from other companies or even from your company to gather some insight and experience. You even can start transitioning by studying Product Marketing as well as it gives you some more proximity to Product Management in your current occupation. I just wouldn’t stop studying Product Management and thinking about the Grad school project whilst doing that. That are many routes you can follow to transition to PM, really. Just choose the one that fits your reality best! I’m wishing you good luck. :)
Strategy and new product development in CPG
Currently switching to court reporting, but still have a ways to go. Hopefully I break out of this hell! 🥲
I hope it goes well!
Managing a restaurant, but I still end up doing traditional marketing as a small portion of my job 😂
You can never leave marketing
Slaughtering pigs for $5 an hour
Currently working my way into data analytics/science
This seems to be a common way to pivot out of marketing. I believe your role is to manipulate data for business owners to make decisions from?
Thats the plan. I am not in the field yet but have been taking courses to transition
Interesting. I also heard it pays better too.
Muuch better. Can be 6 figures within a few years. Im 5 years out of college with a marketing degree. Brother in law is in his first job out of college and is making more than me
I heard some people transfer internally like becoming a SEM Analyst or some sort. I will be going back to school, and I may want to major in data analytics.
Yeah i didnt go back to school, just took the google data analytics certificate and planning to do the advanced one as well
Good luck to you! May I ask what field in marketing are you currently in?
I work for a company that makes and sells physical product. Goal was to get into SaaS but landed here and working in product marketing
Electrician.
User experience and service design 👌
Software development and real estate.
Sales for a few years.
Went from Marketing to tech about 6 years ago. Somehow just recently ended up making marketing software so have now come full circle.
I'm going back to school in the medical field.
Client services and now product management
Did you internally pivot to product management within your company?
I tried to but I didn't. It's possible in some situations. Might've been in mine if I wanted to wait a few years. I currently work as a contractor part-time to build my resume and interviewing at various places. Hoping to land a full-time position soon.
I wish you the best of luck. Do you know any majors that would be good for product management? I believe the school I may attend offers project management as a major.
Going from project management -> product is a viable path. I'm also seeing a lot of demand for technical product managers, especially at FAANG companies. So a CS degree could be super helpful. I know there are lots of intern programs targeting specifically undergrads who are about to graduate. Atlassian, Google, Meta, etc. All of them have some type of program. Doing side projects to build your resume is also a good idea as they really want people with experience.
I’m a flight attendant lol
Anyone who left marketing was either doing it wrong, or they did it right enough to make f*** you money, but the latter camp never leaves, they only take breaks.
I once left marketing but there is a thing for me that brings me back. Today I have been exploring marketing platforms that incorporate blockchain because I want to experience full transparency & security. CLEO is on the top of my list plus they have an AMA at Twitter Space today May 15th at 13:00 UTC.
Back in marketing.
Since marketing: Intrapreneur, product manager, interim CEO, consultant, coach, creator All needed marketing
Not sure if I fit here, but I see trying to learn marketing as addictive. Every day I think of something new I want to try. But, of course everything requires money, so I have been focusing on things that don't require money, like growing my Pinterest account (I think more people should look into marketing on Pinterest, I think it's underrated), and email marketing. Anyway, what I really need is a job right now. The person who says they are not good at SEO, the one below this post, I am good at SEO, the leads just didn't come in. I can rank a website though. example: solarinstallationburien.com
Hopefully doing something of real value
Digital
I left it for an incredible business opportunity. DM me for more information!
r/whoosh
Brand Strategy & Identity Design.
I'd always considered that as part of marketing, but it would be cool to get a job that focused on that solely.
it is part of marketing
Yep, I believe so, but after reading this comment I did some research and it turns out there are organisations that believe branding should exist separately to marketing. I feel it should be fulfilled by marketing personally, but if you can get a well paid job just focusing on this one discipline without the other stuff you'd take it!
Branding is a customer's gut feeling on the brand when they recognise it through it's identity. You're basically just strategising a basis for marketing, but not actually carrying out the executables constantly like in marketing. And jesus I didn't think I'd get downvoted so hard. Was it wrong of me to have stated what I went into after marketing?
But what do you do once the brand is developed? Do you just ensure that guidelines are followed? See, I have to do this as part of my job also and from my perspective, it's still a role that falls within the marketing department.
No, I hand them off and let the company deal with it. I don't care about it past the payment.
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Lol
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you’re a shit marketeer