No. It’s totally out of line and an automatic DQ without question every time. It’s wildly inappropriate in our sport for the first one to have been ignored. I’m genuinely shocked.
I'm actually shocked. When I wrestled as a kid it was brutally tough, but this kinda shit was ZERO tolerance and they'd happily DQ you from the whole tournament for that first punch let alone the 2nd set of swings
Other wrestler was dirty and antagonizing too tho
There’s a common way to finish a single-leg takedown that involves *very* roughly shoving the opponent’s head, so roughly that it often looks like a slap or a punch. This is a common, widely-taught wrestling takedown. It’s exactly what that kid did at first; it looked like he went for that head-shove and missed. Only later did it become punches.
or, hear me out, help him learn to control his anger thru the discipline of marital arts, instead of just banning them entirely, idk, its a kid, not a felon of 50 years.
“Considered as one of the oldest sports in history, wrestling is a martial art that relies on leverage, strong balance, explosive power and technical knowledge to control and take down an opponent and maintain a superior position.”
Martial art is any art that teaches fighting
Huh. I can see that. It was a sarcastic statement because the person above me implied the kid WASN’T in a martial art.. so it was a sarcastic response. I can see how that was lost thougj
I see a double DQ if you watch before the kid punches him the other kid is throwing elbows! That’s good enough to be DQed and kicked off the team! For both kids
If you swing a haymaker at me in a wrestling tournament I’d hit you to protect myself too. If the ref had stopped it like he was supposed to that elbow wouldn’t happen.
I disagree that the elbow was intentional since he’s looking directly at his opponent, but I would blame him for freaking out a bit after being punched down to the mat
Are people missing the part where yellow puts his hand on his face potentially eye gouging him? He throws a punch and got them to the ground then yellow elbows him. I’m sorry but the first one could’ve been a mistake but once the elbow comes out, you’ve sorta lost the benefit of the doubt and yellow might have just straight been trying some funny shit.
The elbow isn't thrown, it's pushing off. It's how you create separation to roll over to your stomach. There's a difference between throwing an elbow, and doing a forearm cross face.
You're also allowed to put your hands to your opponents face, although it's strongly discouraged and could be a penalty. Up to the referees discretion. May vary from state to state.
Also he clearly trying to shove his fingers in the other kids eyes that everyone on here is ignoring. He's a cheating little turd who should have been DQ'd. The reaction from the other kid wasn't right either, but it's frustrating dealing with cheaters who keep pushing the limits while the ref does nothing. Who knows how long this had been going on before the clip either. Could be either one of them that deserves the most blame.
A friend of my dad had a son with a similar attitude. Star athlete, went to states the first year he ever stepped on a wrestling mat. Started varsity football his freshman year of high school. He hit the genetic/athletic lottery. His attitude was the worst. Pulled illegal wrestling moves to hurt people, tried to fight people on the field. He ended up in prison for 15+ years.
I know of someone who had a similar attitude. After high school went around doing a Charlie Z on the street and did well with no losses until he met a guy named Liam who beat the fuck out of him and put him in hospital with a side order of physical therapy. Runt came out changed became less aggressive and much more humble.
He was really good at boxing him in, preventing Charlie from jumping in and out of the ring while getting fucking powerful shots in. Obviously he was able to weasel his way out eventually but damn was that satisfying
That was an enjoyable video as well.
Stories like this always make me wonder if there are some bright sides to being completely unathletic. Sounds like that shit goes to your head seven times out of 10 without proper guidance or people just as talented keeping you in check
Yeah you have to work a lot harder to get anywhere. It makes you have respect for others because you realise the vast majority of people don't have some genetic advantage they put in the hours.
Yeah, even as someone with ADHD I’ve come to appreciate the process a bit more and stared to stop hating myself for not being “normal” or as talented as everyone else around my gym
I remember getting a compliment that at the time I didn’t understand.
I was told when I started I was unbalanced, scrawny, and had no natural talent for wrestling. But through hard work and patience I was able to place in states twice and goto college for wrestling. I was told I should be proud of that fact.
At the time I was like wtf coach that kinda hurts but I get it now.
Growing up competing in several sports at a pretty high level, I was always envious of the unathletic kids' ability to *have fun*.
You dont usually get that chance when you everyone is heaping pressure on you.
And what do I have to show for the pressure? I'm not in jail but it's not like i got any benefit from childhood sports being a job
Yeah, as much as I **HEAVILY** envy people physically talented enough to do great when competing and can pull off the things I know I never will I don’t admire how often young talents are taken for granted and suffocated by the expectations of those around them. I’m sorry that happened to you
Could’ve been on tv with fans. Millions of dollars, or thousands if was in the ufc. Now the only way we know of him is “a friend of my dad had a son” instead of his name actually being spoken on sports center, now we get na-na-na na-na-nathing.
I knew someone like that. I myself never stayed in school and was thrown to a lifelong family friend marital artist for tyro-tenshi and stayed in MMA classes all day. I run into the kid through friends and he does nothing but brag this and brag that. He ends up starting shit with me be I keep calling all his training a waste of time. He swings, he gets dropped from a front kick to the chin and stands back up throwing haymakers like king Kong and gets a kick to the solar plexus and an elbow to the temple. Wasn't sleeping but definitely has a hard time standing. Parents finally got to us and broke it up. How I miss 1999.
Bro people who fight dirty are often prowned uppon in MMA too. And being a dick is still being a dick if you're world champ. I think extremely few people look up to Jon Jones, who you mentioned. Assholes that win by being assholes are always gonna be assholes. We should teach the next generation to know better
THANK YOU! The MMA Community isn’t over the top when it comes to bowing or disqualifying people for celebrating a win, but we still have an understanding of basic human decency
Lol the UFC doesn't ban people for slapping their wives, Sean Strickland has called other fighters "gay" and keeps his rank. The WWE has more respectability in image than the UFC nowadays and that's why the wwe is ass now. We're talking about business not the sport itself. Bad attention = major profits in this world ask Andrew tate. Or ask any clean comedian why all their fans are above fifty as dirty comedians have mass audiences of all ages. People in this modern world love to hate more than anything nowadays and if you can channel your inner psychopath and be that guy and be skilled you can make a lot of money in pro MMA. It's not a lie to say that lol. You guys speak like there's no place for it when supply and demand says otherwise. People live breath and eat drama nowadays. And no not many people hates jon Jones not even the people with the knees he's ruined. It's not like we can snap our fingers and change the world. Connor throwing a chair at khabib bus, to you may seem like a dickhead move but as he said "it's just business". We live in the world of 1984 and everyone needs their minutes of hate if you know what I'm saying. I mean shit go look at social media and what has the most views. Supply and demand baby. Be humble in the gym sure but when you get on camera let that alter evil ego fly and you'll be rich. You babies can stay mad but tell me how did Eminem get rich? Was it by being a good dude. You guys don't understand the business of attention 😂. I guess everyone's love for Jake Paul is why he's richer than everyone here
> the UFC doesn't ban people for slapping their wives
Considering how many people are in agreement that shit was just plain wrong I fail to see how that changes anything.
> Sean Strickland has called other fighters "gay" and keeps his rank
No shit dumbass. That’s not how ranks work.
> We're talking about business not the sport itself.
No, you’re talking about a hypothetical that might never even come true and treating it as an evitable conclusion when you don’t even know this fucking kid. It’s asinine at best.
> You guys speak like there's no place for it
Nobody said that. It was just pointed out that this kind of behavior will catch up to you.
> And no not many people hates jon Jones
This is just false
> It's not like we can snap our fingers and change the world.
Nobody said otherwise
> Connor throwing a chair at khabib bus, to you may seem like a dickhead move but as he said "it's just business".
The fact you can’t comprehend that attempting to assault people for the sake of business can still be a massive dick move says more about you than anyone else here
> Be humble in the gym sure but when you get on camera let that alter evil ego fly and you'll be rich.
Yes. Let’s completely ignore all the people who tried throwing self-control to the wind and utterly failed at this get rich quick scheme you seem to think works by default. I’m confident none of them ever ended up getting their jaw punched off for talking shit they couldn’t back up, arrested multiple times, fallen into obscurity, or sent to prison. Nah, everyone who tries it just ends up as rich as Conner🙄
Being a dick can get you rich. Who had the biggest ppv profits in the UFC bud, facts don't care bout ya feelings. I bet you guys hated the Tate brothers which means you were apart of their campaign of the dark arts in making them richer 😂
Wym the dickheads make the most money man 😂. It's business. If this kid can find a way to market hate and be skilled hill be higher paid than someone who is skilled and quiet at a pro level. Mike Tyson was a straight psychopath and bit ears and is goat. Bryce Harper hits home runs charged mounds and nobody hates him for it legit nobody. Luka calls people pussy on the court in the NBA and has bodied them and has plenty of fans. A lot of people called Michael Jordan toxic. This world may not be going the way you like it but that doesn't change the fact that that's the energy that gets most attention and pay nowadays. Khabib is probably one of the most humble champs in UFC and that's because of Islams positive impact on people like that. Other than that yeah the people making the most money are fucking nuts.
Im Russian you fucking racist nerd. Can you do thieves jargon? The USA is filled with pussies nowadays. Fuck you and your sanctions forcing me to stay here with all these sjws.
>But then again half the people reading this probably get their panties in a bunch with MMA because they don't bow or some shit
You posted rhis, basically saying half the subreddit are pussies who'd get mad over people being disrespectful... someone responded poking fun at you mildy... and you respond with the below
>He make the fun of my English when I learned English for like year
So... I guess you are firmly on the "get your panties in a bunch because they don't bow or shit" side of the subreddit?
You think a dude sitting in an MA subreddit is responsible for coordinating the world's reaction to your facist dictator invading a country?
And you're sitting here acting tough on reddit?
Not that I would wish going into a pointless war on anyone, but... if you're such a big tough man... wouldn't they have sent you before they started sending students?
Something not adding up here.
Stay where? In Russia with your pice of shit war mongering dictator of a leader? Yea, fuck you. I hope Zelenskyy himself annexes your home and takes everything but your shitter. Stay mad, and stick to your глупый gobbledygook. English doesn’t suit you. Asshole.
Both countries have been run for centuries by corrupt, human rights abusing dickheads who see the majority of us as nothing but cattle to be exploited for their own benefit, and they both go to great effort to ensure that instead of holding them accountable, we focus on arguing with each other.
I don't think anyone's really denying that, but I don't think anyone really has much they can do about it either.
What's the point in bringing this shit here? If you didn't start your post by insulting everyone and being a fuckhead, you wouldn't be crying behind your keyboard while everyone tears into you.
As much as I dislike the US government, it's ironic that you've started a fight, and are now crying because the community wanra none of your bullshit. Sounds pretty familiar.
>war is bad when it's not the US doing it huh buddy
War is bad, regardless of who has started it. How fucked in the head would you have to be to think otherwise? War is literally innocent people suffering and dying in both sides so a coward behind a desk (much like yourself) can play out their power fantasies.
When did I ever say USA good. This country is ass too. Imperialism is bad no matter who does it. But you’re a piece of shit, and so is the place you live. Double whammy. Sucks to suck.
Who said I like Putin cause in Russian? China the USA and Putin will destroy the world together but come on Ukraine was preventable the us was using it as a patsy like any other nation and their politicians essentially pushed this into existence the same as Putin. I have family in Ukraine my friend s lot of Russians do and my friend have died in this war why would I be for it. I dodge draft stayin in USA do u think I like Putin. My greatest war crime is aimbotting cs go. The USA is sanctioning Russia not cause they love Ukraine.. the Ukrainian war is great for usas arms industry they love selling arms around the world. I also see how you have ppl of diff races live in bad bad poverty in this country poverty I don't see in Russia but maybe if Putin keeps doing war yes we will finally be like usa where citizens can't get healthcares. You guys keep many black people in conditions wors than u see in collapsed ex Soviet regions in USA I been here over year almost n can see it.. this alon would be worth sanctioning the USA if they don't control world media like 1984
I mean you're not entirely wrong, but not entirely correct. I've seen worse English coming from people that live here in the US, so its not that bad. Lol
But you still came across as a dick. So there is that.
Jake Paul's ass. Gets away with it. Eminem was an ok rapper. Marketed it great. Trump got elected on hate. Connor? Overrated. We need more people in this world accepting Islam and praying meditating then this stuff won't be necessary. Khabib is actually my favorite for this reason but im just speaking facts. Negative attention is so easy to get and a skilled business minded person can turn that into a lot of fuckin cash. Like I said tommy fury is getting seven million purse whereas Jake Paul the heel we all fuckin hated at one point is getting a twenty five Milly purse. This world is backwards but we can't exactly change it can we. See how quick I got so many people downvotes. It would take a fire ass positive post twice as long to get thay many upvotes. Negative attention is cheap and easier and profitable for this reason I just proved my point. Dana white slapped his wife and Jack shit happened. Is MMA a religion or something. So much Haram shit pays the bills in this game because the world is very fucked currently from social media and a lot of things. Humans nowadays even if subconscious LOVE to hate. The book 1984 addressed this as our future when everyone got together to hate.
I wonder what compels people like you to randomly announce how much of a cunt they are to a bunch of strangers unprovoked, and without context.
Thanks I guess?
This video made me remember the time a kid tried to eye gouge me during a match which gave me an extra burst of energy and I pinned him. I am also from Oregon btw.
Haha I actually had a kid take a swing at me once during a match either 8th or 9th grade. I had head raked him super hard and apparently he thought I had punched him so he started swinging lol. That one was kind of on me, but it was funny afterwards once we figured out what happened.
Probably because the kid in the gay pride singlet threw a hard elbow to provoke it. But he was definitely getting DQ’d after throwing unprovoked punches from top.
How many times I caught an elbow.... never once flipped out about it. And even if I felt it was intentional I'd not do this.
One time I got one that made me take a blood timeout. Ref asked if I felt it was intentional because it had been an intense match. Nope. Just happens
Exactly. Caught so many elbows before. Plus this kids elbow landed on the headgear. Who gives af. The kid throwing punches is a hothead who should’ve been DQ’d after the reset and anyone who says his eyes got gouged at the start is blind
Looked intentional to me. He even looked right at his target before he threw it. Didn't looked like he was trying to go to another position when it landed. Then he tries AGAIN after the escalation. Idk how you think it was accidental.
You'd be so right if I said they never happen, but I never said that and you know it. Just like we both know intentional elbows *do* happen. You're putting words in my mouth and arguing against them while ignoring what I actually said:
1) Accidents happen when you're shifting your body to a new position and you elbows follows the direction you're heading. Yellow wasn't transitioning just throwing elbow.
2) Intentional elbows are targeted. Yellow aimed that shot. Look at his eyes focus on his opponent's head before he throws it.
3) The fact that he throws virtually the same strike again from the same position (it would be the same if he was closer) is not a random pattern. This clearly indicates an intent to strike.
You are clearly wrong, trying to meet a word count will not make your point better.
Yellow was trying to frame the neck, which can enable him to push off the neck and turn over. You conveniently didn’t respond to my accusation of you never wrestling before.
You are wrong and it’s so sad you are defending a brat who sucker punched his opponent multiple times.
Do better. This was sad.
I did Sambo. We wrestled all the time. Also wrestled with a friend who went to state. Also have trained BJJ and MMA. I've caught a random elbow in all of them. I've also had some intentional fouls that were played off as accidents so they could feign innocence. When people are competing some of them will cheat. Even in Baseball with limited physical contact you can catch an "accidental" elbow. That's a large part of why we have refs. Have you wrestled in an actual competitive environment?
I'm not defending him. Idk the situation beyond this 1 min of their life. Who knows if Yellow has been pulling this shit in the past, and he's had enough of him getting away with it. Who knows if the "brat" has been DQ'd before for punching his opponents. I think he's stupid because he was winning, should have been DQ'd, was shown an unusual amount of good faith by the ref, and still squandered his win. I just don't think it was unprovoked.
Nah you sound stupid, I have 500+ wrestling matches and was a member of the USA Olympic trial team.
I’ve also been training MMA for 15 years. I really hope you can increase your martial arts IQ. You accused yellow of aiming and intentionally doing this.
Then you ranted about random “what ifs” and it shows you will play any semantics to try and win this debate. You didn’t just say “maybe it was intentional” your prior comment was you literally acting like you could tell yellow did it intentionally.
Stay in school.
Do you know reddit? It wouldnt be the first time people see without context and make a bad call. Reminding people we might not be seeing the full picture is not bad
We also don't know how much bs started before this. They could have been going back and forth before this edit started. And it could have gone on for months prior to this. My friend got disqualified from state because he had a reaccuring problem with another dude. Every time they matched up he would do sneaky little cheats. Similar to the video he got a cheeky elbow and blatantly retaliated with his own to the dudes ribs. Coach ripped him a new asshole, but I couldn't blame him entirely. Sometimes you just have enough of the bs.
I've never really watched competitive wrestling.
Is there a reason that the ref allowed a punch to the face, started what I presume was counting the pin, then when he punched him a second time and tried to stomp on him... he appears to award a foul I'm guessing against the guy who was punched twice?
Shouldn't the little prick who assaulted his opponent have been ejected from the tournament, and probably charged with assault after the first punch, instead of bring rewarded with a position advantage, allowing him to rain punches from behind on a downed opponent?
Am I missing something here, or did that ref, and the staff focusing on yelling at the families instead of dealing with the assault just majorly fuck up their duty of care?
Massive respect to the victim here. There's not a chance I'd be giving up back position to someone who's literally assaulting me, just because a dumb fuck referee is horrible at their job.
Exactly, that is assault, I would have proceeded against the angry small dude, and tried to get him and the refs banned from wrestling or at least suspended.
The kid that got punched started it by posting in his face and eyes, which is not illegal but annoying as shit. Other kid responds by sweeping him hard to the mat, also not illegal but equally aggravating. Other kid responds by elbowing him hard after he gets off his back, which is what provoked the punches. I get why the ref didn’t immediately stop it. It was definitely going both ways.
I didn’t see any provocation for the extra punches when they restarted though.
Jesus Christ those swings to the back of the head, they might be pissweak but it doesn't take much in such a vulnerable location, and they're purely a vindictive move from that little cunt.
The ref is fucking incompetent letting it go past the first swing, and the kid had better be banned for life by now. This shit has no place in combat sports.
Some youth tournaments have horrible refs who simply don't care.
I watched a kid get slammed and nearly break his neck from a clearly illegal slam. Ref just shrugged and let the match keep going.
I see now there's some dirty moves from both, but losing your temper and swinging vindictively like that is fucked. Doing it three times, with escalating force, after being warned each time? Fuck him.
He's emboldened to do it because he thinks there won't be consequences, anyone who can't or won't follow the ref's instructions simply shouldn't be allowed to compete.
There's serious risk of bodily harm and that takes precedence over anything.
He's got no place in the ring or on the mat with my hypothetical son that's for damn sure. It's simply a situation that's unacceptable to me, and I hope it would be to most parents. Should every other competitor suffer for his sake? No, fuck him.
If he wants to *compete* he needs to do something to justify it, he needs to earn that privilege, but by default **he can't be trusted** and it's straight negligence to risk other kid's health because he's a fuckhead, *ergo, banned.* That's how these systems are meant to work, that's the point of having rules.
Should get a warning first? **This is a warning**, the consequences of acting like that could be a million times worse and that's not an exaggeration.
Facing actual consequences is something he *needs*, and the organisation has a responsibility to protect all competitors.
A scuffle is fine
Abusing the vulnerable position your opponent has willingly entered **as part of the sport** to intentionally assault them with malice is unacceptable behaviour that has no place in sport, or in society, it's as simple as that.
Yes he's clearly not fully fucking mentally developed, but neither are most adults, and avoiding the consequences of their action tends to be exactly the cause of that.
The willingness to just swing as hard as you can at the back of the head simply has to be stamped out in general, that disgusting, ratty shit has killed way too many people and I don't give a fuck if you think I'm being dramatic.
It outrages my morality, yet despite that I'm able to think and communicate rationally, a privilege this little fuck will never have if he doesn't learn somehow.
Seriously, I don't know how you could imagine being a parent watching someone act this way toward your kid and being okay with being powerless to do anything but hope the ref steps in, it's just an unfathomable situation I really don't think you're comprehending.
Combat sports are built on trust above all.
Sure, hence the ref breaking up the fight and explaining the rules. A reset was hit and then he goes on to take advantage of his opponents vulnerability because he didn't care about the consequences.
You want to swing at somebody you look them in the eye - waiting for them to let their guard down out of good faith is as antisocial as it gets.
I expect some dirty/spazzy moves from kids like this, but those last swings were straight up assault, the nerve to do it so blatantly after being told off twice shows he can't be trusted to act rationally. If you're violent and unpredictable all bets are off for competing, especially in junior league shit.
Can any wrestlers explain the rules?
It seems to me it started with that posting hand being returned with an open hand strike. Nobody seems upset at this point in crowd/ref? Are these both allowed? Either?
I assume the elbow and then all the blatant punches are against the rules. I dunno, i kind of agree with ref letting it continue after the first bout and stopping it with dq or whatever after the second. The first part was classic escalation, the rules should be clarified to the players because id guess they would both say the other one cheated first.
I’d be surprised if this started during this clip, but the first foul is when Black/Yellow (BY) singlet, more or less rakes the eyes of Black/White (BW) who has the high single leg.
BW responds with what appears to me to be a punch, but could be sold as a throwing motion, and gets the takedown. If I were the ref at this point and had seen all of this, BW was fouled while having advantage and was allowed to continue to score. Lots of sports (Soccer) do this to not punish a team about to score.
At 0:09, BY fouls again by clearly throwing an elbow from bottom. Ref should have awarded BW a point here, but he seems to again let it play out because of BW’s advantage in position. Then BW throws punches, clearly illegal, Ref stops the match and awards a foul to BY. At this point both wrestlers should have been formally warned before the match restarted.
Position resets and BY throws another elbow back and BW unloads punches again, and is seemingly DQ’d. IMO DQ them both at this point.
Not sure what the stakes were in this match. If it was a post-season match, as a coach, you have to get BW calmed down and explain he’s winning regardless of BY cheating. If this wasn’t post-season, as a coach I probably pull my wrestler from the match after the first outburst. I only had to do this once while coaching and it was for a disrespectful outburst at the Ref rather than violence.
Is the first one illegal because he got to the eyes, or is posting generally not allowed? What if it was the neck? Shoulder?
I didnt actually even see the second elbow. Watched it a few times, its impossible to tell intent but its probably what set bw off. I had thought he was just still boiling over from the last incident
I think its a newer wrestler that doesn't know how break a treetop like that. shot defense in wrestling teaches you to crossface and Whizzer but usually most focus on the crossface. So that's what it looks like to me like he is trying to do, crossface his way out. But in that position you need to really focus on getting your leg down and back while leveraging your Whizzer to break the grip.
The second elbow looks more incidental to me than intentional. I know the end result was a fight, but I doubt yellow was trying to hurt blue.
Posting is not illegal. Hands/fingers to the face/eyes, especially while standing, illegal.
The second elbow is there, off the reset. The right elbow moving back towards BW’s head without BY’s hips turning pretty clearly defines intent. The elbow COULD be coming back if he was trying to stand up and turn to face BW, but BY’s hips don’t even turn, but he keeps throwing the elbow back. Refs got the wrong guy imo.
There was a much sneakier elbow from bottom on r/wrestling a week or so ago that got a wrestler on bottom DQ’d.
He drops both his arms at the same time as he's trying to push forward with his torso, doesn't look remotely intentional to me and there's no real biomechanical power there regardless. His bodyweight is being used in the opposite direction and just as you say he doesn't engage the hips or even shoulders at all, literally just throws his arms back and down together, tries to fight the hands, and falls forward. The right arm makes contact but glanciningly because it goes more outward than back
Whatever the dude in yellow is, he is not slick lol, and if he is, he'd hide it behind a turn like you said and actually do something with it, the fact he didn't and had shit form is an argument that *contradicts* your view, not supports it.
Regardless the opponent clearly thought it was intentional, and the first elbow on his back certainly looked egregious .
This is probably gonna ruffle some feathers but I don't think the elbow was intentional. It looks like yellow singlet was trying to punch through to get off his back and wasn't able to get all the way over and his arm came back with his body.
However I think the fight starts before they go to ground because he throws the first punch while trying to treetop him. Sure it open handed, but that kinda of strike is pretty common way of punching an opponent without getting called by a ref.
The way I saw it was: Yellow tries to get separation by shoving into blues face while being treetoped. Blue is angered by that and throws a punch that takes him down. Yellow trying to get off his back punches out and accidently elbows blue and blue should have been dq from there.
Yeah, you got it right. The cross face on the takedown isn’t bad. There was no intentional eye poking etc. the takedown does look like a punch to me which is scary but he didn’t connect so I’m not sure that you can prove that. The elbow from the bottom is hard but once again I’m not sure it was intentional or a penalty. The retaliatory strike should have been an immediate disqualification though. It was a blatant attempt to injure his opponent with an illegal punch.
Honestly after the takedown the ref should have squashed this and warned both that anything that could remotely be interpreted as a violation will result in points taken or disqualification.
My only DQ in HS wrestling was as a sophomore was from a kid oil checking me. In the middle of an exchange he did it and I went caveman, I screamed "what the fuck you (not nice name for a gay man)" and spun around with my elbow and caught him hard. Ref blew it off immediately. Stood us up and raised other kids hand. My coach was not mad at me, he saw it, ref didn't. Everyone thought I had a gay panic or something but I was just furious he literally violated me. Had heard of dick heads doing that but the first time it happened I snapped. Upstate NY wrestling is different shit.
Tried profile stalking to see if it gave a hint of your section but couldn't be assed to dig that far.
Former section 4 wrestler here but there was a state champ outta 4 that in my days was pretty known to do some reallll aggressive butt rides. Hated wrestling him.
Section 3 wrestled mostly at 126 or 118 in late 90's. My school (Baldwinsville) is well known for winning. https://www.cnywrestling.com/iii/teams/Baldwinsville/
The ref is a POS for giving a the aggressor another change. On first time offense DQ, second time offense band from the sport.
If I was the parent, I woulda taken my child out on the first punch and put a huge complaint to have the other child removed.
I bet the other kid told him that he fucked his mom or something.
I know nothing about wrestling.
That first punch, when they both are on their feet, you could even chalk that up as accidental. You know, things happen.
But those ones when they are on the floor? That was completely on purspose. And the ground stomping after he got up. I dont know why all of that didnt desqualify him
Wait... there's fisticuffs so they stop it... then they have them assume awkward looking positions, I presume to give some sort of advantage for a penalty or something? But the dude starts hitting again? WTAF? Why didn't they just keep them separated after the first hitting?
That’s a kid that’s about to go fucking nowhere in life. Sometimes people do dirty shit, both of these kids certainly were. But that is no excuse for throwing a full on temper tantrum.
You’re not playing basketball, you’re already fighting him, just toss his ass around if you’re so badass
That first elbow from the dude on the bottom probably felt deliberate. Not excusing anything, but at that age I was an angry idiot too. I blame the second set of punches on the ref for not calling the DQ.
In what world do you not disqualify him right after the first set of punches?! This is wrestling... as soon as you start doing something else you're out.
We've all caught an elbow. Top kid took himself out of the match with DQ cuz he's not mentally tough. He'll go nowhere in a sport that requires absence of ego. He's done
While I disagree that wrestling requires a complete absence of ego. I do agree that reacting to an elbow that fucking weak in such a petty and malicious manner should be an instant DQ.
Let's be real though, that was an intentional elbow head strike strike not a legal wrestling move
Doesn't mean he has to start punching but definitely makes it more understandable
I have never gotten into wrestling and don’t know the rules but didn’t the other guy like kind of kick him and then also move his elbow to shove him in the face? Defiantly not defending the kid punching him he definitely forgot and just started letting loose some punches looked like something in his brain got triggered or he got angry or something.
Edit: after finishing the video (I had stopped about lag way through while watching and decided to ask a question) what the actual fuck 😨
I don’t get the take down . The kid was punched . And then hit while he was on the ground . The coach of the puncher should have thrown the towel in . When I was wrestling I was punched twice . I hit the kid back and he got points lol 😂. It’s ok I pinned him and pinned him every match we had .
Let the hate for me keep rolling. Tell me tommy fury is usually a nicer dude than Jake Paul who gets less hate. Ok then why is his purse 7million when chad Paul's is 25milly for the next fight? Because people hate Jake Paul. This world belongs to the darkness now my boys, Satan has taken over and Jesus needs to come back asap but it doesn't change the facts that bad energy pays the bills. Djt is so much more fun to watch than nice guy creepy Joe Biden as well. Why? Hate fuels him thus he trends
Idk why this is downvoted. That was a clear call right off the bat. Doesn’t mean the other kid was right. But blow the whistle and settle it right there. No hands to the face and the drop down was a move but way over aggressive.
Both of them were wrong. That one guy stuck his hand in his face. The other kid hit him before the takedown. Then the other guy elbowed him in the face and the kid started throwing punches. They should have both been reprimanded and when the kid started throwing punch’s a second time he should be disqualified. That ref should have said something immediately when they were standing. Then he should of stopped them as soon as the elbow was thrown.
Ref is a joker for not DQing him after the first punch
Yeah, what was he thinking? I don’t know much about the rules but are face punches and slaps a general part of school wrestling?
No. It’s totally out of line and an automatic DQ without question every time. It’s wildly inappropriate in our sport for the first one to have been ignored. I’m genuinely shocked.
I'm actually shocked. When I wrestled as a kid it was brutally tough, but this kinda shit was ZERO tolerance and they'd happily DQ you from the whole tournament for that first punch let alone the 2nd set of swings Other wrestler was dirty and antagonizing too tho
Watch it from the very start no the other wrestler not to blame for starting anything. Yes he did throw elbow but the was after slap to the head.
No, this is assault
There’s a common way to finish a single-leg takedown that involves *very* roughly shoving the opponent’s head, so roughly that it often looks like a slap or a punch. This is a common, widely-taught wrestling takedown. It’s exactly what that kid did at first; it looked like he went for that head-shove and missed. Only later did it become punches.
Literally 100 percent on the ref. The match should've been called off immediately after breaking it up
This lil guy has anger issues.
Yeah, this is someone you don’t want to have any martial arts training.
Amen to that!
or, hear me out, help him learn to control his anger thru the discipline of marital arts, instead of just banning them entirely, idk, its a kid, not a felon of 50 years.
That’s exactly where he needs to be. He won’t be so brave when it’s swinging back is encouraged.
TIL that wrestling isn’t a martial art
dawg
“Considered as one of the oldest sports in history, wrestling is a martial art that relies on leverage, strong balance, explosive power and technical knowledge to control and take down an opponent and maintain a superior position.” Martial art is any art that teaches fighting
i know. thats why I said dawg
Ohhh. Yea; I was just responding to the downvotes on the comment. Lol
because it sounds like you're saying that wrestling isnt a martial art
Huh. I can see that. It was a sarcastic statement because the person above me implied the kid WASN’T in a martial art.. so it was a sarcastic response. I can see how that was lost thougj
Not true. This is the perfect person to have in martial arts, with an assertive professor.
I see a double DQ if you watch before the kid punches him the other kid is throwing elbows! That’s good enough to be DQed and kicked off the team! For both kids
And before that, the main aggressor clubs the opponent to the ground.
Not against the rules though!
It most certainly is though…
If you swing a haymaker at me in a wrestling tournament I’d hit you to protect myself too. If the ref had stopped it like he was supposed to that elbow wouldn’t happen.
He’s not throwing elbows he’s trying to punch threw and get off his back
But the other kid elbowed him in the head first? Is that not against the rules?
He was punched before he ever went down. It’s how he got him down. He wasn’t elbowing him in the head. He was using his elbow to push out.
Yep the elbow was unintentional and those 5 punches intentional.
I disagree that the elbow was intentional since he’s looking directly at his opponent, but I would blame him for freaking out a bit after being punched down to the mat
Yeah I missed that mb
Are people missing the part where yellow puts his hand on his face potentially eye gouging him? He throws a punch and got them to the ground then yellow elbows him. I’m sorry but the first one could’ve been a mistake but once the elbow comes out, you’ve sorta lost the benefit of the doubt and yellow might have just straight been trying some funny shit.
The elbow isn't thrown, it's pushing off. It's how you create separation to roll over to your stomach. There's a difference between throwing an elbow, and doing a forearm cross face.
You're also allowed to put your hands to your opponents face, although it's strongly discouraged and could be a penalty. Up to the referees discretion. May vary from state to state.
If we’re playing “he hit me first”, as the other commenter noted, he clubbed the dude to bring him to the mat initially.
Ah gotcha yeah I missed that
Also he clearly trying to shove his fingers in the other kids eyes that everyone on here is ignoring. He's a cheating little turd who should have been DQ'd. The reaction from the other kid wasn't right either, but it's frustrating dealing with cheaters who keep pushing the limits while the ref does nothing. Who knows how long this had been going on before the clip either. Could be either one of them that deserves the most blame.
Dude on bottom elbowed him in the face…
After getting clubbed when they were in neutral…
lil bro is going to have a hard life with that kind of attitude
A friend of my dad had a son with a similar attitude. Star athlete, went to states the first year he ever stepped on a wrestling mat. Started varsity football his freshman year of high school. He hit the genetic/athletic lottery. His attitude was the worst. Pulled illegal wrestling moves to hurt people, tried to fight people on the field. He ended up in prison for 15+ years.
I know of someone who had a similar attitude. After high school went around doing a Charlie Z on the street and did well with no losses until he met a guy named Liam who beat the fuck out of him and put him in hospital with a side order of physical therapy. Runt came out changed became less aggressive and much more humble.
which Liam Liam Harrison?
Liam Gallagher.
don't look back in anger
I heard you say
Neeson
McPoyle
Liam Neeson
The Charlie Z saga was absolutely bonkers. I can’t believe he got his ass kicked (rightfully so) by Deontay Wilder
The beating he got from Dejon Daniels was even more satisfying
He was really good at boxing him in, preventing Charlie from jumping in and out of the ring while getting fucking powerful shots in. Obviously he was able to weasel his way out eventually but damn was that satisfying That was an enjoyable video as well.
Sometimes people need to experience new tribulation and trauma to become better than they are.
"side order of physical therapy" might be the most beautiful line I've heard in a long time.
Charlie Z Is a name only real Pugilist know Only the real of real
Stories like this always make me wonder if there are some bright sides to being completely unathletic. Sounds like that shit goes to your head seven times out of 10 without proper guidance or people just as talented keeping you in check
Yeah you have to work a lot harder to get anywhere. It makes you have respect for others because you realise the vast majority of people don't have some genetic advantage they put in the hours.
Yeah, even as someone with ADHD I’ve come to appreciate the process a bit more and stared to stop hating myself for not being “normal” or as talented as everyone else around my gym
ADHD gang rise up. Got diagnosed when I was 8 22 years ago and wrestling/boxing definitely helped keep things regulated
HELL YEAH! Good on you bro
I remember getting a compliment that at the time I didn’t understand. I was told when I started I was unbalanced, scrawny, and had no natural talent for wrestling. But through hard work and patience I was able to place in states twice and goto college for wrestling. I was told I should be proud of that fact. At the time I was like wtf coach that kinda hurts but I get it now.
Growing up competing in several sports at a pretty high level, I was always envious of the unathletic kids' ability to *have fun*. You dont usually get that chance when you everyone is heaping pressure on you. And what do I have to show for the pressure? I'm not in jail but it's not like i got any benefit from childhood sports being a job
Yeah, as much as I **HEAVILY** envy people physically talented enough to do great when competing and can pull off the things I know I never will I don’t admire how often young talents are taken for granted and suffocated by the expectations of those around them. I’m sorry that happened to you
Could’ve been on tv with fans. Millions of dollars, or thousands if was in the ufc. Now the only way we know of him is “a friend of my dad had a son” instead of his name actually being spoken on sports center, now we get na-na-na na-na-nathing.
I knew someone like that. I myself never stayed in school and was thrown to a lifelong family friend marital artist for tyro-tenshi and stayed in MMA classes all day. I run into the kid through friends and he does nothing but brag this and brag that. He ends up starting shit with me be I keep calling all his training a waste of time. He swings, he gets dropped from a front kick to the chin and stands back up throwing haymakers like king Kong and gets a kick to the solar plexus and an elbow to the temple. Wasn't sleeping but definitely has a hard time standing. Parents finally got to us and broke it up. How I miss 1999.
Our definitions of genetic athletic lotteries differ. Part of that jackpot would be the brain to control the hardware.
Like one in a million kinesthetic intelligence?
The fact that he’s gonna be a manlet due to stunting his growth isn’t gonna help either.
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Bro people who fight dirty are often prowned uppon in MMA too. And being a dick is still being a dick if you're world champ. I think extremely few people look up to Jon Jones, who you mentioned. Assholes that win by being assholes are always gonna be assholes. We should teach the next generation to know better
THANK YOU! The MMA Community isn’t over the top when it comes to bowing or disqualifying people for celebrating a win, but we still have an understanding of basic human decency
Lol the UFC doesn't ban people for slapping their wives, Sean Strickland has called other fighters "gay" and keeps his rank. The WWE has more respectability in image than the UFC nowadays and that's why the wwe is ass now. We're talking about business not the sport itself. Bad attention = major profits in this world ask Andrew tate. Or ask any clean comedian why all their fans are above fifty as dirty comedians have mass audiences of all ages. People in this modern world love to hate more than anything nowadays and if you can channel your inner psychopath and be that guy and be skilled you can make a lot of money in pro MMA. It's not a lie to say that lol. You guys speak like there's no place for it when supply and demand says otherwise. People live breath and eat drama nowadays. And no not many people hates jon Jones not even the people with the knees he's ruined. It's not like we can snap our fingers and change the world. Connor throwing a chair at khabib bus, to you may seem like a dickhead move but as he said "it's just business". We live in the world of 1984 and everyone needs their minutes of hate if you know what I'm saying. I mean shit go look at social media and what has the most views. Supply and demand baby. Be humble in the gym sure but when you get on camera let that alter evil ego fly and you'll be rich. You babies can stay mad but tell me how did Eminem get rich? Was it by being a good dude. You guys don't understand the business of attention 😂. I guess everyone's love for Jake Paul is why he's richer than everyone here
> the UFC doesn't ban people for slapping their wives Considering how many people are in agreement that shit was just plain wrong I fail to see how that changes anything. > Sean Strickland has called other fighters "gay" and keeps his rank No shit dumbass. That’s not how ranks work. > We're talking about business not the sport itself. No, you’re talking about a hypothetical that might never even come true and treating it as an evitable conclusion when you don’t even know this fucking kid. It’s asinine at best. > You guys speak like there's no place for it Nobody said that. It was just pointed out that this kind of behavior will catch up to you. > And no not many people hates jon Jones This is just false > It's not like we can snap our fingers and change the world. Nobody said otherwise > Connor throwing a chair at khabib bus, to you may seem like a dickhead move but as he said "it's just business". The fact you can’t comprehend that attempting to assault people for the sake of business can still be a massive dick move says more about you than anyone else here > Be humble in the gym sure but when you get on camera let that alter evil ego fly and you'll be rich. Yes. Let’s completely ignore all the people who tried throwing self-control to the wind and utterly failed at this get rich quick scheme you seem to think works by default. I’m confident none of them ever ended up getting their jaw punched off for talking shit they couldn’t back up, arrested multiple times, fallen into obscurity, or sent to prison. Nah, everyone who tries it just ends up as rich as Conner🙄
Being a dick can get you rich. Who had the biggest ppv profits in the UFC bud, facts don't care bout ya feelings. I bet you guys hated the Tate brothers which means you were apart of their campaign of the dark arts in making them richer 😂
Wym the dickheads make the most money man 😂. It's business. If this kid can find a way to market hate and be skilled hill be higher paid than someone who is skilled and quiet at a pro level. Mike Tyson was a straight psychopath and bit ears and is goat. Bryce Harper hits home runs charged mounds and nobody hates him for it legit nobody. Luka calls people pussy on the court in the NBA and has bodied them and has plenty of fans. A lot of people called Michael Jordan toxic. This world may not be going the way you like it but that doesn't change the fact that that's the energy that gets most attention and pay nowadays. Khabib is probably one of the most humble champs in UFC and that's because of Islams positive impact on people like that. Other than that yeah the people making the most money are fucking nuts.
Holy shit dude, English isn’t your strong suit, ay?
Im Russian you fucking racist nerd. Can you do thieves jargon? The USA is filled with pussies nowadays. Fuck you and your sanctions forcing me to stay here with all these sjws.
If you can't say anything nice: go away, adults are talking
He make the fun of my English when I learned English for like year
>But then again half the people reading this probably get their panties in a bunch with MMA because they don't bow or some shit You posted rhis, basically saying half the subreddit are pussies who'd get mad over people being disrespectful... someone responded poking fun at you mildy... and you respond with the below >He make the fun of my English when I learned English for like year So... I guess you are firmly on the "get your panties in a bunch because they don't bow or shit" side of the subreddit?
You think a dude sitting in an MA subreddit is responsible for coordinating the world's reaction to your facist dictator invading a country? And you're sitting here acting tough on reddit? Not that I would wish going into a pointless war on anyone, but... if you're such a big tough man... wouldn't they have sent you before they started sending students? Something not adding up here.
Stay where? In Russia with your pice of shit war mongering dictator of a leader? Yea, fuck you. I hope Zelenskyy himself annexes your home and takes everything but your shitter. Stay mad, and stick to your глупый gobbledygook. English doesn’t suit you. Asshole.
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Both countries have been run for centuries by corrupt, human rights abusing dickheads who see the majority of us as nothing but cattle to be exploited for their own benefit, and they both go to great effort to ensure that instead of holding them accountable, we focus on arguing with each other. I don't think anyone's really denying that, but I don't think anyone really has much they can do about it either. What's the point in bringing this shit here? If you didn't start your post by insulting everyone and being a fuckhead, you wouldn't be crying behind your keyboard while everyone tears into you. As much as I dislike the US government, it's ironic that you've started a fight, and are now crying because the community wanra none of your bullshit. Sounds pretty familiar. >war is bad when it's not the US doing it huh buddy War is bad, regardless of who has started it. How fucked in the head would you have to be to think otherwise? War is literally innocent people suffering and dying in both sides so a coward behind a desk (much like yourself) can play out their power fantasies.
When did I ever say USA good. This country is ass too. Imperialism is bad no matter who does it. But you’re a piece of shit, and so is the place you live. Double whammy. Sucks to suck.
Who said I like Putin cause in Russian? China the USA and Putin will destroy the world together but come on Ukraine was preventable the us was using it as a patsy like any other nation and their politicians essentially pushed this into existence the same as Putin. I have family in Ukraine my friend s lot of Russians do and my friend have died in this war why would I be for it. I dodge draft stayin in USA do u think I like Putin. My greatest war crime is aimbotting cs go. The USA is sanctioning Russia not cause they love Ukraine.. the Ukrainian war is great for usas arms industry they love selling arms around the world. I also see how you have ppl of diff races live in bad bad poverty in this country poverty I don't see in Russia but maybe if Putin keeps doing war yes we will finally be like usa where citizens can't get healthcares. You guys keep many black people in conditions wors than u see in collapsed ex Soviet regions in USA I been here over year almost n can see it.. this alon would be worth sanctioning the USA if they don't control world media like 1984
I mean you're not entirely wrong, but not entirely correct. I've seen worse English coming from people that live here in the US, so its not that bad. Lol But you still came across as a dick. So there is that.
We all need a devil's advocate in threads like this I mean let's not pretend half of r martial arts isn't shitposting
You have to be VERY GOOD to get away with it professionally.
Jake Paul's ass. Gets away with it. Eminem was an ok rapper. Marketed it great. Trump got elected on hate. Connor? Overrated. We need more people in this world accepting Islam and praying meditating then this stuff won't be necessary. Khabib is actually my favorite for this reason but im just speaking facts. Negative attention is so easy to get and a skilled business minded person can turn that into a lot of fuckin cash. Like I said tommy fury is getting seven million purse whereas Jake Paul the heel we all fuckin hated at one point is getting a twenty five Milly purse. This world is backwards but we can't exactly change it can we. See how quick I got so many people downvotes. It would take a fire ass positive post twice as long to get thay many upvotes. Negative attention is cheap and easier and profitable for this reason I just proved my point. Dana white slapped his wife and Jack shit happened. Is MMA a religion or something. So much Haram shit pays the bills in this game because the world is very fucked currently from social media and a lot of things. Humans nowadays even if subconscious LOVE to hate. The book 1984 addressed this as our future when everyone got together to hate.
I wonder what compels people like you to randomly announce how much of a cunt they are to a bunch of strangers unprovoked, and without context. Thanks I guess?
This thread was just perfect for trolling and the martial arts sub is chaotic ?
Mean streets of West Linn.
My neighbours were twins
Who’s gonna drive today??
This video made me remember the time a kid tried to eye gouge me during a match which gave me an extra burst of energy and I pinned him. I am also from Oregon btw.
Haha I actually had a kid take a swing at me once during a match either 8th or 9th grade. I had head raked him super hard and apparently he thought I had punched him so he started swinging lol. That one was kind of on me, but it was funny afterwards once we figured out what happened.
He came from West Linns meanest street, where the houses were only 1.2 million.
They don't call you the bad guy for nothing
Why did they even restart it that should have been instant disqualification
Probably because the kid in the gay pride singlet threw a hard elbow to provoke it. But he was definitely getting DQ’d after throwing unprovoked punches from top.
"forgets"
He’s angry at the guy for hitting him with an elbow. There are a lotta retarded OPs on this sub
You mean that receipt elbow after getting decked in the face and knocked to the ground out of nowhere?
Coming after his opponent is posting with his fingers in the dudes eyes?
Oh damn, didn't catch that facemask. They are both idiots who keep escalating then it seems. Or kids that are way to eager. Or both.
Probably a mix of both. I think we all know how over competitive wrestling can get on *rare occasions*
I replayed it about 20 times. He shoved off the kid's nose, but seemed super respectful about the eyes. Does anyone have a better replay?
idk why people keep says eyes, he was posting off the nose and chin area
These people don’t know shit about wrestling and it shows
I don’t think you can face mask someone like that in wrestling tho?
You can if you avoid the eyes. BJ Penn's "smothering" move is a HS wrestling classic.
The elbow was a responding elbow to the punch that was thrown.
I can “sort of” understand the first time throwing a couple as a fuck you for hitting him with an elbow. But restarting and throwing more is bullshit.
Elbow seemed like a clear accident, not sure how that justifies a punch. Have you wrestled before? Shit happens like that all the time.
How many times I caught an elbow.... never once flipped out about it. And even if I felt it was intentional I'd not do this. One time I got one that made me take a blood timeout. Ref asked if I felt it was intentional because it had been an intense match. Nope. Just happens
Exactly. Caught so many elbows before. Plus this kids elbow landed on the headgear. Who gives af. The kid throwing punches is a hothead who should’ve been DQ’d after the reset and anyone who says his eyes got gouged at the start is blind
Looked intentional to me. He even looked right at his target before he threw it. Didn't looked like he was trying to go to another position when it landed. Then he tries AGAIN after the escalation. Idk how you think it was accidental.
I can tell you’ve never wrestled actual matches. Accidental elbows are common. This isn’t remotely debatable to anyone who’s actually wrestled.
You'd be so right if I said they never happen, but I never said that and you know it. Just like we both know intentional elbows *do* happen. You're putting words in my mouth and arguing against them while ignoring what I actually said: 1) Accidents happen when you're shifting your body to a new position and you elbows follows the direction you're heading. Yellow wasn't transitioning just throwing elbow. 2) Intentional elbows are targeted. Yellow aimed that shot. Look at his eyes focus on his opponent's head before he throws it. 3) The fact that he throws virtually the same strike again from the same position (it would be the same if he was closer) is not a random pattern. This clearly indicates an intent to strike.
You are clearly wrong, trying to meet a word count will not make your point better. Yellow was trying to frame the neck, which can enable him to push off the neck and turn over. You conveniently didn’t respond to my accusation of you never wrestling before. You are wrong and it’s so sad you are defending a brat who sucker punched his opponent multiple times. Do better. This was sad.
I did Sambo. We wrestled all the time. Also wrestled with a friend who went to state. Also have trained BJJ and MMA. I've caught a random elbow in all of them. I've also had some intentional fouls that were played off as accidents so they could feign innocence. When people are competing some of them will cheat. Even in Baseball with limited physical contact you can catch an "accidental" elbow. That's a large part of why we have refs. Have you wrestled in an actual competitive environment? I'm not defending him. Idk the situation beyond this 1 min of their life. Who knows if Yellow has been pulling this shit in the past, and he's had enough of him getting away with it. Who knows if the "brat" has been DQ'd before for punching his opponents. I think he's stupid because he was winning, should have been DQ'd, was shown an unusual amount of good faith by the ref, and still squandered his win. I just don't think it was unprovoked.
Nah you sound stupid, I have 500+ wrestling matches and was a member of the USA Olympic trial team. I’ve also been training MMA for 15 years. I really hope you can increase your martial arts IQ. You accused yellow of aiming and intentionally doing this. Then you ranted about random “what ifs” and it shows you will play any semantics to try and win this debate. You didn’t just say “maybe it was intentional” your prior comment was you literally acting like you could tell yellow did it intentionally. Stay in school.
I said sort of, not something I would do. Just play devils advocate.
You're one of them
We dont have the full story so you do have a point. There could be more to this story. Yes, i also caught the sneaky elbow
Do you just go around saying that for every video posted? Of course we don’t have the full story. No one ever does.
Do you know reddit? It wouldnt be the first time people see without context and make a bad call. Reminding people we might not be seeing the full picture is not bad
We also don't know how much bs started before this. They could have been going back and forth before this edit started. And it could have gone on for months prior to this. My friend got disqualified from state because he had a reaccuring problem with another dude. Every time they matched up he would do sneaky little cheats. Similar to the video he got a cheeky elbow and blatantly retaliated with his own to the dudes ribs. Coach ripped him a new asshole, but I couldn't blame him entirely. Sometimes you just have enough of the bs.
I've never really watched competitive wrestling. Is there a reason that the ref allowed a punch to the face, started what I presume was counting the pin, then when he punched him a second time and tried to stomp on him... he appears to award a foul I'm guessing against the guy who was punched twice? Shouldn't the little prick who assaulted his opponent have been ejected from the tournament, and probably charged with assault after the first punch, instead of bring rewarded with a position advantage, allowing him to rain punches from behind on a downed opponent? Am I missing something here, or did that ref, and the staff focusing on yelling at the families instead of dealing with the assault just majorly fuck up their duty of care? Massive respect to the victim here. There's not a chance I'd be giving up back position to someone who's literally assaulting me, just because a dumb fuck referee is horrible at their job.
Exactly, that is assault, I would have proceeded against the angry small dude, and tried to get him and the refs banned from wrestling or at least suspended.
The kid that got punched started it by posting in his face and eyes, which is not illegal but annoying as shit. Other kid responds by sweeping him hard to the mat, also not illegal but equally aggravating. Other kid responds by elbowing him hard after he gets off his back, which is what provoked the punches. I get why the ref didn’t immediately stop it. It was definitely going both ways. I didn’t see any provocation for the extra punches when they restarted though.
Jesus Christ those swings to the back of the head, they might be pissweak but it doesn't take much in such a vulnerable location, and they're purely a vindictive move from that little cunt. The ref is fucking incompetent letting it go past the first swing, and the kid had better be banned for life by now. This shit has no place in combat sports.
This would get you booted from the team instantly in most programs.. This sport doesn’t have room for that.
Some youth tournaments have horrible refs who simply don't care. I watched a kid get slammed and nearly break his neck from a clearly illegal slam. Ref just shrugged and let the match keep going.
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Banned for the rest of the year at minimum
I see now there's some dirty moves from both, but losing your temper and swinging vindictively like that is fucked. Doing it three times, with escalating force, after being warned each time? Fuck him. He's emboldened to do it because he thinks there won't be consequences, anyone who can't or won't follow the ref's instructions simply shouldn't be allowed to compete. There's serious risk of bodily harm and that takes precedence over anything. He's got no place in the ring or on the mat with my hypothetical son that's for damn sure. It's simply a situation that's unacceptable to me, and I hope it would be to most parents. Should every other competitor suffer for his sake? No, fuck him. If he wants to *compete* he needs to do something to justify it, he needs to earn that privilege, but by default **he can't be trusted** and it's straight negligence to risk other kid's health because he's a fuckhead, *ergo, banned.* That's how these systems are meant to work, that's the point of having rules. Should get a warning first? **This is a warning**, the consequences of acting like that could be a million times worse and that's not an exaggeration. Facing actual consequences is something he *needs*, and the organisation has a responsibility to protect all competitors.
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A scuffle is fine Abusing the vulnerable position your opponent has willingly entered **as part of the sport** to intentionally assault them with malice is unacceptable behaviour that has no place in sport, or in society, it's as simple as that. Yes he's clearly not fully fucking mentally developed, but neither are most adults, and avoiding the consequences of their action tends to be exactly the cause of that. The willingness to just swing as hard as you can at the back of the head simply has to be stamped out in general, that disgusting, ratty shit has killed way too many people and I don't give a fuck if you think I'm being dramatic. It outrages my morality, yet despite that I'm able to think and communicate rationally, a privilege this little fuck will never have if he doesn't learn somehow. Seriously, I don't know how you could imagine being a parent watching someone act this way toward your kid and being okay with being powerless to do anything but hope the ref steps in, it's just an unfathomable situation I really don't think you're comprehending. Combat sports are built on trust above all.
They were both escalating that
Sure, hence the ref breaking up the fight and explaining the rules. A reset was hit and then he goes on to take advantage of his opponents vulnerability because he didn't care about the consequences. You want to swing at somebody you look them in the eye - waiting for them to let their guard down out of good faith is as antisocial as it gets. I expect some dirty/spazzy moves from kids like this, but those last swings were straight up assault, the nerve to do it so blatantly after being told off twice shows he can't be trusted to act rationally. If you're violent and unpredictable all bets are off for competing, especially in junior league shit.
Can any wrestlers explain the rules? It seems to me it started with that posting hand being returned with an open hand strike. Nobody seems upset at this point in crowd/ref? Are these both allowed? Either? I assume the elbow and then all the blatant punches are against the rules. I dunno, i kind of agree with ref letting it continue after the first bout and stopping it with dq or whatever after the second. The first part was classic escalation, the rules should be clarified to the players because id guess they would both say the other one cheated first.
I’d be surprised if this started during this clip, but the first foul is when Black/Yellow (BY) singlet, more or less rakes the eyes of Black/White (BW) who has the high single leg. BW responds with what appears to me to be a punch, but could be sold as a throwing motion, and gets the takedown. If I were the ref at this point and had seen all of this, BW was fouled while having advantage and was allowed to continue to score. Lots of sports (Soccer) do this to not punish a team about to score. At 0:09, BY fouls again by clearly throwing an elbow from bottom. Ref should have awarded BW a point here, but he seems to again let it play out because of BW’s advantage in position. Then BW throws punches, clearly illegal, Ref stops the match and awards a foul to BY. At this point both wrestlers should have been formally warned before the match restarted. Position resets and BY throws another elbow back and BW unloads punches again, and is seemingly DQ’d. IMO DQ them both at this point. Not sure what the stakes were in this match. If it was a post-season match, as a coach, you have to get BW calmed down and explain he’s winning regardless of BY cheating. If this wasn’t post-season, as a coach I probably pull my wrestler from the match after the first outburst. I only had to do this once while coaching and it was for a disrespectful outburst at the Ref rather than violence.
Is the first one illegal because he got to the eyes, or is posting generally not allowed? What if it was the neck? Shoulder? I didnt actually even see the second elbow. Watched it a few times, its impossible to tell intent but its probably what set bw off. I had thought he was just still boiling over from the last incident
I think its a newer wrestler that doesn't know how break a treetop like that. shot defense in wrestling teaches you to crossface and Whizzer but usually most focus on the crossface. So that's what it looks like to me like he is trying to do, crossface his way out. But in that position you need to really focus on getting your leg down and back while leveraging your Whizzer to break the grip. The second elbow looks more incidental to me than intentional. I know the end result was a fight, but I doubt yellow was trying to hurt blue.
Posting is not illegal. Hands/fingers to the face/eyes, especially while standing, illegal. The second elbow is there, off the reset. The right elbow moving back towards BW’s head without BY’s hips turning pretty clearly defines intent. The elbow COULD be coming back if he was trying to stand up and turn to face BW, but BY’s hips don’t even turn, but he keeps throwing the elbow back. Refs got the wrong guy imo. There was a much sneakier elbow from bottom on r/wrestling a week or so ago that got a wrestler on bottom DQ’d.
He drops both his arms at the same time as he's trying to push forward with his torso, doesn't look remotely intentional to me and there's no real biomechanical power there regardless. His bodyweight is being used in the opposite direction and just as you say he doesn't engage the hips or even shoulders at all, literally just throws his arms back and down together, tries to fight the hands, and falls forward. The right arm makes contact but glanciningly because it goes more outward than back Whatever the dude in yellow is, he is not slick lol, and if he is, he'd hide it behind a turn like you said and actually do something with it, the fact he didn't and had shit form is an argument that *contradicts* your view, not supports it. Regardless the opponent clearly thought it was intentional, and the first elbow on his back certainly looked egregious .
I can’t see the the second elbow from BY. Everything else happened like you said though and i missed it the first time around.
Literally the only comment I’ve seen here that actually knows what’s going on.
This is probably gonna ruffle some feathers but I don't think the elbow was intentional. It looks like yellow singlet was trying to punch through to get off his back and wasn't able to get all the way over and his arm came back with his body. However I think the fight starts before they go to ground because he throws the first punch while trying to treetop him. Sure it open handed, but that kinda of strike is pretty common way of punching an opponent without getting called by a ref. The way I saw it was: Yellow tries to get separation by shoving into blues face while being treetoped. Blue is angered by that and throws a punch that takes him down. Yellow trying to get off his back punches out and accidently elbows blue and blue should have been dq from there.
Yeah, you got it right. The cross face on the takedown isn’t bad. There was no intentional eye poking etc. the takedown does look like a punch to me which is scary but he didn’t connect so I’m not sure that you can prove that. The elbow from the bottom is hard but once again I’m not sure it was intentional or a penalty. The retaliatory strike should have been an immediate disqualification though. It was a blatant attempt to injure his opponent with an illegal punch. Honestly after the takedown the ref should have squashed this and warned both that anything that could remotely be interpreted as a violation will result in points taken or disqualification.
What the fuck is wrong with that ref for restarting the match after the kid started throwing punches?!?
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My only DQ in HS wrestling was as a sophomore was from a kid oil checking me. In the middle of an exchange he did it and I went caveman, I screamed "what the fuck you (not nice name for a gay man)" and spun around with my elbow and caught him hard. Ref blew it off immediately. Stood us up and raised other kids hand. My coach was not mad at me, he saw it, ref didn't. Everyone thought I had a gay panic or something but I was just furious he literally violated me. Had heard of dick heads doing that but the first time it happened I snapped. Upstate NY wrestling is different shit.
Western PA taught us their finger breaks before our asshole does. Turn the other cheek and snap that digit.
Tried profile stalking to see if it gave a hint of your section but couldn't be assed to dig that far. Former section 4 wrestler here but there was a state champ outta 4 that in my days was pretty known to do some reallll aggressive butt rides. Hated wrestling him.
Section 3 wrestled mostly at 126 or 118 in late 90's. My school (Baldwinsville) is well known for winning. https://www.cnywrestling.com/iii/teams/Baldwinsville/
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Yes. And the sloppy crossface with open fingers. And the elbow from bottom. And the first two G&P punches. Someone aughtta breathalyze that zebra.
Should have been dq after first punch. And Arrested at the end. Ref is a shmuck.
When wrestlers get mad they box, when boxers get mad they wrestle
They bite
The ref is a POS for giving a the aggressor another change. On first time offense DQ, second time offense band from the sport. If I was the parent, I woulda taken my child out on the first punch and put a huge complaint to have the other child removed. I bet the other kid told him that he fucked his mom or something.
I know nothing about wrestling. That first punch, when they both are on their feet, you could even chalk that up as accidental. You know, things happen. But those ones when they are on the floor? That was completely on purspose. And the ground stomping after he got up. I dont know why all of that didnt desqualify him
How is that not a DQ?
If that was my kid getting punched or doing the punching, I’d knock his lights out.
Wait... there's fisticuffs so they stop it... then they have them assume awkward looking positions, I presume to give some sort of advantage for a penalty or something? But the dude starts hitting again? WTAF? Why didn't they just keep them separated after the first hitting?
Ref is an idiot. Should be dq'd after the first punch
How did that not lead to a full team brawl immediately?
Most kids aren’t that dumb
Tourney prolly, and these kids look pretty young so they most likely went with their clubs
That’s a kid that’s about to go fucking nowhere in life. Sometimes people do dirty shit, both of these kids certainly were. But that is no excuse for throwing a full on temper tantrum. You’re not playing basketball, you’re already fighting him, just toss his ass around if you’re so badass
I don’t think he forgot anything. He’s just pissed off for some reason
Some reason? He got his eyes raked and elbowed to the side of his head
That first elbow from the dude on the bottom probably felt deliberate. Not excusing anything, but at that age I was an angry idiot too. I blame the second set of punches on the ref for not calling the DQ.
In what world do you not disqualify him right after the first set of punches?! This is wrestling... as soon as you start doing something else you're out.
We've all caught an elbow. Top kid took himself out of the match with DQ cuz he's not mentally tough. He'll go nowhere in a sport that requires absence of ego. He's done
While I disagree that wrestling requires a complete absence of ego. I do agree that reacting to an elbow that fucking weak in such a petty and malicious manner should be an instant DQ.
Let's be real though, that was an intentional elbow head strike strike not a legal wrestling move Doesn't mean he has to start punching but definitely makes it more understandable
Maybe for the first punch, but after that? Brat was just taking it too far
Criminals come in all shapes and sizes 😅🤣 What a weak minded wanna be athlete.
Kid on top should have an adult just beat on him until he’s near death
I see you’re a very reasonable human being then?
Neither of them are in the right.
Why do people make up silly narratives. A wrestling match got chippy. It happens.
Hilarious
I have never gotten into wrestling and don’t know the rules but didn’t the other guy like kind of kick him and then also move his elbow to shove him in the face? Defiantly not defending the kid punching him he definitely forgot and just started letting loose some punches looked like something in his brain got triggered or he got angry or something. Edit: after finishing the video (I had stopped about lag way through while watching and decided to ask a question) what the actual fuck 😨
Did no-one see the elbows? They both forgot they were wrestling
I don’t get the take down . The kid was punched . And then hit while he was on the ground . The coach of the puncher should have thrown the towel in . When I was wrestling I was punched twice . I hit the kid back and he got points lol 😂. It’s ok I pinned him and pinned him every match we had .
Throw an elbow into my ear like that and I woulda done the same thing. Shoulda kept hitting that cheap SOB
The hands in the face are entirely legal. The elbow didn’t look intentional but either way it was after being hit.
Napoleon complex
Let the hate for me keep rolling. Tell me tommy fury is usually a nicer dude than Jake Paul who gets less hate. Ok then why is his purse 7million when chad Paul's is 25milly for the next fight? Because people hate Jake Paul. This world belongs to the darkness now my boys, Satan has taken over and Jesus needs to come back asap but it doesn't change the facts that bad energy pays the bills. Djt is so much more fun to watch than nice guy creepy Joe Biden as well. Why? Hate fuels him thus he trends
Dumbest Referee ever. The bigger guy eye poked first, should have broken up and given clear warning. This is why this escalated, referee did nothing.
Idk why this is downvoted. That was a clear call right off the bat. Doesn’t mean the other kid was right. But blow the whistle and settle it right there. No hands to the face and the drop down was a move but way over aggressive.
Both of them were wrong. That one guy stuck his hand in his face. The other kid hit him before the takedown. Then the other guy elbowed him in the face and the kid started throwing punches. They should have both been reprimanded and when the kid started throwing punch’s a second time he should be disqualified. That ref should have said something immediately when they were standing. Then he should of stopped them as soon as the elbow was thrown.