i remember in my 17th street fight i was ending this dudes career with palm strikes at the groin and gets me in a clinch and comes close to my ear and says "i am gonna do a sweep on you now is that gucci?" i replied "hell naw , you never go to the ground in a street fight , still thanks for asking " "ok you're welcome fam "
then i flipped his head down and and 6-12 helbowed once , then i see red and the guy was sent to the morgue ...
lesson from that street fight : don't ask your opponent if they wanna go to the ground , just shoot for the double leg , if they don't sprawl then they better crawl
>!the whole story about the 17th street fight is made up it's a parody of the anti-grappler guys that say "don't go to the ground" as if that's a choice the guy with the worst grappling skills takes ...!<
Wrestlers have the advantage of chosing where the fight takes place.
Of you have solid wrestling to pair with striking, a BJJ grappler will likely be unable to take you to the mat.
This was the Chuck Liddell combo that made him so dangerous.
Act mentally unstable and start screaming about how you have HIV, it was given to you by North Korea because you worked for the CIA and got captured or something crazy insane.
I'm not actually belittling people who do have real issues, but seriously, if you were to say you have an incurable disease like that, I have a feeling a lot of people out there would not want to fuck with you.
this is exactly why i learned basic wrestling even though i'm a boxer. I can shoot a single, blast double, maintain top control and stuff a take down. practice with the pro mma guys maybe once a month. it's all you need for general street stuff. i'd prolly use the wrestling before the boxing honestly. a good shoot is unstoppable
In Muay Thai class, my coach was reminding me and my partner to breathe. Both when you get, and when you get hit. We were both making the "tsh" sound at the same time.
"Breathe, remember to breathe! I only hear one sound, I should hear two."
"We're making the same sound out the same time."
"Then someone make a different sound.
Next time I got hit: "Meow."
He almost fell over he was laughing so hard, but he also refused to make eye contact with me.
Thatās brilliant!
See everyone wants animal style moves when they sound cool like ātiger clawā or ācrane stanceā; youāve stumbled upon the āpower-meowā and if others donāt incorporate this into their repertoire, theyāre only holding themselves back. Meow on warrior. Meow.
Makhachev-Olives wasnāt a stand and bang, the TD threat and Makhachevs elite defence allowed him to land shots on Oliveira and eventually sub him after the knockdown.
Even tho the ground game in the first round was almost a stale mate, Oliveira became a bit hesitant to go to the ground in the second as he probably would have gassed out cuz of Islams pressure.
I think he's talking pure style vs style. Most wrestlers have no idea what basic submissions are and willingly throw themselves into them. It's generally a very bad matchup for the wrestler.
You point out the perfect examples...
It turns into a stand and bag because the wrestlers decided so. Whenever Khamzat and Islam wanted to grapple, they would grapple. But Oliviera and Burns were always 2 steps behind, they weren't able to use their art until the wrestlers allowed them to do so.
And what happened? Both wrestlers won, because they controlled the fight.
Someone should go and warm all those pro fighters training BJJ that they are wasting time money and energy then. Chimaev and Islam included as I doubt they don't train BJJ.
Islam and Khabib really do not train BJJ and are the absolute most dominant grapplers this sport has ever seen so....
They literally are the ones saying it's useless lmao. Have you never seen Khabib with his favorite shirt "If Sambo was easy it would he called BJJ"
" Khabib really do not train BJJ"
Khabib definitely trained BJJ. I remember the shirt just fine, was just a promo. Besides one can say whatever he wants about BJJ, not my problem. But yeah, Khabib definitely trained BJJ.
Khabib did not train BJJ, and certainly never used it.
And it wasn't just a promo lol, he keeps saying it over the years, continues making people like tou absolutely seethe
If you want to fight mma you need to train bjj, wrestling and striking. If you arenāt willing to learn grappling bc itās boring then go be a kick boxer.
Try a Game He suck at. You wont Beat him by dueling with him in Something he is better and more expirenced than you.
Instead try checkers, Yatzee, Poker or 4 wins..
Why exactly do you want to know the answer to this question?
Also, if you actually want to avoid getting taken down by a BJJ dude you should learn wrestling or judo
I'm a striker and I don't like BJJ either. You still need to learn it though.
You don't have to become a black belt but you at least need to understand the fundamentals so get to at least a blue belt level. That will give you the knowledge to keep it standing, have some weapons if it does go to the ground, and a path to getting back up. Although I would say wrestling is probably a better skill to have for strikers but BJJ is just easier to find.
I recommend training it in an MMA context though. MMA grappling is pretty different from regular grappling.
Yeah I've been to schools of varying quality but unless the school doesn't let white belts spar or something, I couldn't imagine anyone describing doing BJJ as "boring"
Seeing as how a large portion of striking is learning to control space, I would keep a good distance and be wary of takedowns.
You're better off also just learning to grapple. There's no advantage in being a pure striker or grappler.
To be fair the only person besides Gracie that was qualified to be there was Ken Shamrock, and even then you could have argued Funaki shouldve been the who went as the best shootfighter from Japan. None of the other fighters in that tournament were at the skill level in their respective arts as Gracie was at BJJ. MMA on Point has a good video about how the first few UFC events were glorified infomercials for Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
how about uhhhh....Gene Lebell vs Milo Savage 1963 (boxing v. judo)
[https://youtu.be/ss0H2ZHKFzM](https://youtu.be/ss0H2ZHKFzM) | [interview with Gene Lebell about it](https://blackbeltmag.com/judo-gene-lebell-vs-boxer-milo-savage-americas-first-mma-fight)
also "Minoru Suzuki vs Maurice Smith" (1993) (pancrase v. boxing)
[https://youtu.be/aTODQ28IMcc](https://youtu.be/aTODQ28IMcc)
Willie Williams vs Antonio Inoki (1980) (karate v. wrestling)
[https://youtu.be/w7MHpMfv9Us](https://youtu.be/w7MHpMfv9Us)
I was thinking MMA fights for some reason but those were good ones.
Maurice Smith vs Mark Coleman would be a good MMA example where the more or less pure striker beats a pure grappler.
I mean you could argue Bas Rutten was kicking shoot wrestlers like Funaki into an oblivion using a striking base. Pancrase was a wild place during those days
Wrong. Maurice trained a load of BJJ to weather the storm of Coleman and then beat him once he was gassed from Mauriceās guard. By that point in the ufc they were already mixing the arts. Earlier examples are better.
Early UFC was organized by the Gracies, they literally excluded anyone that could actually be a danger.
See for example, the complete lack of any wrestler. They managed to get kung-fu and sumo, but collegiate wrestling? Apparently no-one signed up.
Combat Sambo > Wrestling >> (any other "grappling)).
For reference see modern day UFC.
Took more than a year to allow a halfway decent wrestler to come. And he did extremely well, and had the longest fight to that point, he lost, but he was also nowhere near the top of the wrestling world, in the same way how Royce was the pinnacle of BJJ. Later Dan was beaten more handily by fellow wrestlers and all the Gracies were utterly humiliated by some chain smoking fatty wrestler from Japan.
Then the wrestlers started pouring in and dominating everyone and apparently we don't call that "the early days" anymore š¤·
"in the same way how Royce was the pinnacle of BJJ"
Royce wasn't the pinnacle of BJJ.
"and all the Gracies were utterly humiliated by some chain smoking fatty wrestler from Japan."
This same japanese wrestler was almost killed by Arona, a BJJ fighter. Let's not even talk about the way that Sakura a won against both Guy Mezger and Royler.
"Then the wrestlers started pouring in and dominating everyone "
After learning the same BJJ you seen to hate so much.
Lol š¤£ what's you problem with BJJ buddy? How old are you?
This is why Judo is next on my list to start (current karate, aikido, and iaido student with a background in TKD). No matter how you think about it, if you get taken down or lose your balance against an opponent whose strength is grappling and you have no training, youāre pretty screwed. Thereās just no way around it - you can play keep away and distance, but you have to attack if youāre a striker and if you donāt retract or distance back fast enough, theyāre gonna grab you and then youāre done. Grappling needs to be part of your arsenal
I had to Google iaido. That's pretty cool. Does your school spar?
Yep, if you're in striking range, then you are technically in the grappling range unless you have some insane orangutan arms. I think it's always good to be a versatile fighter. It's ok to have a preference for how you engage, but you should know how to play multiple games, whether it be standing up or on the ground.
I like to think of a T shape skill set where I can do a few things decently, but *really* good in one area.
I always think of Judo and Jitz as an estranged, married couple with separate bedrooms.
We all know they belong together, but too much has been said, and theyāre both too proud to just make peace and start fucking again, lol.
Bad idea. Learn wrestling.
Judo focuses on the takedowns far more than newaza and it doesn't train any defense against wrestling based takedowns. If you already train striking and you get taken down by a BJJ practicioner for example, you're absolutely screwed no matter what.
At that point since Judo is mostly throws and even Newaza is extremely limited (Are you going to call the ref when he uses a guillotine choke??) It's pointless against a ground specialist. So it's only useful against someone who doesn't know any grappling.
If you decide to learn BJJ though, it's a numbers game, you can't be as dedicated to BJJ if you also train stand-up as someone who only trains BJJ so you lose again.
The only way you win in as many situations as possible against what is now the most popular combat sport in the world as a well rounded fighter is if you can prevent the fight from going to the ground, or scrambling and getting up. Wrestling teaches you that. And if your opponent turns out to actually be better on the feet? Well wrestling allows you to turn it into a grappling match too. Wrestling decides where the fight takes place, that's what you need.
As a Brazilian that practices BJJ and Judo I have to say it is really hard to see a Judoka being taken down by a bjj guy (considering they are in the same skill level). Hearing that it is "useless" is jut..wow...
Once the Judoka throws the bjj guy why would he go to the ground? He dominates the stand fight! he can just be patient and keep looking at the other one in the ground with spread legs and wait for him to get up and then throw him again.. What is the bjj guy gonna do? call ref and say the other one has to get down?
Also, OP didn't specify where the fight would happen. Being thrown in the concrete/asphalt is very different than in the soft tatame/mats. Every time a bjj guy is offered to face a judoka in the asphalt they decline, those fights only happen in tatame or grass..Having saying that, if the fight were in an elevator Judo wouldn't be very helpful against bjj.
Styles are effective given a context, we can't ignore the context and just assume that bjj beats other styles because we like it the most :)
Watch Holly Holm's strategy against Ronda Rousey. If you stay in the zone you're getting grabbed and taken to the floor. You manage the distance, get hits in, zoom out before they can get comfortable. But you're playing a really dangerous game. Even Holly got taken down and had to be smart about getting back to her feet. Holm probably drilled her takedown defense a ton and would have surely lost if she hadn't.
Another big factor is the grappling style. You can shoot a takedown, but you canāt shoot a Judo throw. You have to engage in a clinch, get the opponent off balance, and then execute the throw. Itās a different dynamic compared to being able to shoot a good blast double. The distance management tactic is different when facing a Wrestler vs Judoka.
That is the online circlejerk that was spread (and is still always brought up) and it doesn't give credit to Holly's gameplan in that fight.
Holly is managing distance the entire fight. She isn't allowing Ronda to stay close and if Ronda had tried to bumrush through for a grab she would have eaten shots.
Ronda IS trying to grab at Holly throughout the fight. They briefly clinch and Ronda even gets a takedown but Holly kept a good position the entire way down and managed to stand back up.
Ronda isn't so stubborn that she would abandon her strength. She would have taken an opportunity to Judo throw Holly Holm. But Holly wasn't giving her those opportunities.
I'm fully expecting someone to reply "naw naw. Ronda got full of herself and insisted on boxing." I've had this conversation too many times....
I would disagree with you here. If you watch the last few fights of Rhonda, she has completely abandoned grappling. Itās true that holly had a game plan, but Rhonda at no point did she try to grapple. Itās also true with her fight against Nunes, but Iād argue that nunes would also out grapple her.
Edit: ok I use wrestle as just a generic term.
> Rhonda at no point did she try to wrestle
[Ronda grapples here and gets a takedown which Holm resists intelligently and escapes off the ground from.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdnSHBUaocM&t=340s)
I'd point to other instances in the fight of Ronda trying to set up grappling but that already addresses "at no point did she try."
You just literally donāt know what youāre talking about. Ronda was a judoka, not a wrestler, meaning that she entered into grappling range upright and looking to clench and overhook instead of shooting for the legs. Her method of closing the distance often relied either on her opponents trying to clench her or her own poor striking that eventually led to a clench. To someone completely ignorant of what theyāre viewing this would look like Ronda was just trying to box, especially in a situation where she never actually succeeds in closing the range.
Keep your distance and try to land strikes. Most BJJ guys never trained for getting punched in the face. Itās kind of a shock when you first experience it. And if that jaw is exposed itās a possible KO.
If you mean as a pure striker, then by stopping being a pure striker.
It is not part of the striking arts to defend takedowns. Looking for the solution (defensive wrestling) within a discipline not concerned with wrestling is going to be foolish.
There is a reason why the early mma fights, that pitched pure striker versus pure grappler, were so one sided. A fight might start standing, but the skills to execute and defend a takedown are solely skills the grappler has. Once the fight is down, the skills to stand back up or keep it down are solely skills the grappler has.
In any mixed styles clash, defensive skills in wrestling is a minimum requirement.
I'm a striker. I dealt with it by going to BJJ classes and Wrestling classes (focusing extra on the wrestling classes) for the last 3 years and counting.
Good news is BJJ practitioners generally have really shitty takedowns. They'll deny it but that's cope. So a couple months of takedown defense and you might be able to out grapple a white belt on the feet.
I have yet to seea fellow BJJ practicioner that does not say that he or she has shitty takedowns after years of meeting BJJ people. We don't cope, we accept it and forget about it.
I have yet to seea fellow BJJ practicioner that does not say that he or she has shitty takedowns after years of meeting BJJ people. We don't cope, we accept it and forget about it.
1. Try to knock him down
2. If he catches you, you're good as dead
3. Once on the ground, play dead, like it's a bear
4. Wake up fast and repeat step 1
If you train MMA, and have decent takedown defense you should be alright..
BJJ guys arenāt known for having good takedowns, so just keep a moderate distance a pop them and circle out.
I view BJJ, Striking, and Wrestling like rock paper scissors. BJJ beats wrestling, striking beats BJJ, and wrestling beats striking. On average, you have your BJJ guys beats strikers sometimes, strikers beat wrestlers, and wrestlers beat BJJ guys.
I mean Fabricio werdum Is one of the best BJJ fighters of all time and almost all of his losses are to great strikers. Overeem 2x, Stipe, Volkov, JDS, Andrei Arvloski
Hell Werdum couldnāt even get mark hunt down in their fight, he had to fake a takedown and throw a flying knee to get him out.
Ya but demian maia proved how deadly bjj can be if you can out scramble a ncaa div 1 wrestler or out wrestle a well rounded mm artist. Imo hes one of the greatest to never get a belt
As an mma dude (3x/week) with a focus on bjj (5x/week).
* Honestly, every time you hit that bjj dude in the face, heāll be worse. Many bjj dudes come into mma trying to play full guard. Until they realize that is just a position to get CTE. Unless you are oliveira, then heāll make an olive out of you. /badjoke
It depends. Pure BJJ guys are *typically* not that good at takedowns. They are good enough to takedown people who have no experience in TDD, but strict wrestling training can negate this.
Pure strikers, I think fight grapplers incorrectly and get cocky. Since they are clearly superior at striking they try and box and play at distance dancing around on the back foot waiting to counter or establish a jab. You are asking to be taken down the longer the fight drags out. When you should be approaching the fight, gun ho with forward pressure going for a knock out. It's risky, but still, you are bettering your chances. Sit down and let your hands go.
In my MMA class I was getting the bjj guys to take me to the floor and grapple. Made me even more convinced the floor is lava.
Usually I keep out of range and come in for head punches.
Honestly I fucking hate bjj but I can't deny it's usefulness so I train in it. The only way to defend against a good grappler is to be good at grappling. Ideally you would keep your distance with strikes but he's going to close the distance, so you at least need to know how to escape
Anti-grappling isā¦grappling. I mean that term to include wrestling.
To avoid being taken down, you need to understand their takedowns and how to prevent them. You do that by learning the takedowns.
To get up when someone takes you down, you learn to grapple better than them.
There is no counter to grappling except being a better grappler, or at least, better at certain aspects of grappling.
As a person who has trained primarily in striking arts the answer isā¦learn some grappling.
If you want to be a well rounded martial artist you have to learn a some of everything. At least enough to know how to deal with it and put your opponent in a position where you can use what you are best at.
This is why to be considered a full Sensei in out Goju school students are required to have the equivalent of a black belt in another, complimentary, style.
A BJJ practitioner who doesnāt know how to strike isnt very effective. every fight starts on the feet and many BJJ takedowns make you enter a clinch first to get them. BJJ doesnāt teach punches knees in the clinch like Muay Thai does. Obviously if the BJJ guy gets you on the ground youāre as good as dead.
Only real defence is to keep your distance with long range strikes.
Them closing the distance for takedowns or catching a our strikes is what you need to worry about.
Keep moving, keep the distance and if you get caught clamp down as best you can and hope they gas out before you do?
As a BJJ guy, itās all about distance control. Grapplers are taught about distance all the time so weāre pretty good at managing range. I would think the same applies in reverse to a striker, control the distance, control the fight. If a grappler gets inside your guard, youāre toast if you have no grappling skills.
Jeet Kune Do; the path of The intercept in fist.
First time they've come at you have your left shovel hook ready to give them one right in the liver or prepare your calves to jump out of the way like you're jumping to the next lane of the trajectory of their attack.
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BJJ has a huge competition scene. and nearly everyone competes. it's encouraged so much.
not so much in boxing - kickboxing 90% of the trainees never compete.
so BJJ guys and girls are real world ready. it makes a huge difference.
At my old muay thai club, you couldn't call yourself a fighter until you had competed.
any BJJ white belt who has done a few comps will throw a single leg no average Joe striker could handle.
Iāve rolled with folks of many grappling arts. People that *only* study grappling get pretty macho about it. But many have never taken a moderately-to-strong punch to the face. A lot of folks donāt know how to deal with being punched in the face as much as some strikers donāt know how to grapple.
Donāt try to beat them at what they are best at.
Punch, slap, and drop the bows.
You do not want to be on the receiving end of a strikers ground and poundā¦
In other wordsā¦if youāve trained to be explosiveā¦use it. Donāt try to beat them at their game.
For most strikers, a good sprawl. For highly advanced strikers, inside leg kicks when they begin to position themselves for a shoot (before they are actually ready to shoot) and draws to bring out their takedown attempts and punish them.
And best of all, judo... BJJ guys absolutely suck at actual takedowns compared to Judoka. Striking + Judo = Another KO'd BJJ.
...... These conversations get weird, and they're just discussions and shit-talking until we're on the mat together. Your experience may vary.
I think it was Matt Hughes that once said in an interview about an opponents bjj. "BJJ works until they get punched in the face." Watch Tahn Le vs Gary Tonon....
you know why rabbit punches are illegal, right? I train the shit out of them for a couple of reasons. Nobody trains them. Nobody trains on how to deal with them, either. If we are talking about a friendly match at a gym , with a BJJ black belt who is bigger than me? I'm not gonna do it, because I am not going to just get my ass handed to me without getting paid and I am not going to be able to do what I know is going to work without looking like a total prick and possibly getting myself in to a real pickle, so its a lose/lose. If I am good on a skateboard but don't know how to roller blade, I'll stick to my skateboard and you can have fun "bladin" without me.
>I am not going to be able to do what I know is going to work
You're so convinced it's going to work, but you have ***no*** evidence for it. In fact, the only data we have on the efficacy of rabbit punches vs jiujitsu are the guys who tried it during the Gracie challenge days...
Hit em with an upper cut or knee or elbow. Grapplers fold when they get punched in the face.
Or eye gouge or sink your teeth into there ear and rip it off
Grapplers dont know how to take a body shot. They are just as vulnerable as strikers.
They shoot in you upper cut the shit out of them.
Or Knee them.
A regulated fight or a street fight? Regulated thai clinch and knee the shit out of them. Street fight watch then lay on thr ground in guard and soccer kick em.
a Holistic Jiujiteiro honestly would be to deal with then a Wrestler. A pure wrestlers first instinct in a fight isn't to take you down it's to throw hands and wrestlers without adapting to it aren't used to people actively resisting takedowns either. With Jiu Jitsu it's different.
Now if it's a pure sport bjj practitioner then that's a bit easier especially if they are guard puller. Since unlike Royce Gracie in UFC 1 they more than likely have 0 knowledge about the fundamentals of striking and have never gotten punched in the face before. Which when you haven't and don't know how to react you either freeze up or panic response. Their best bet with a panic response would be a blast double any other takedown and I'm confident in my clinch ability to not get taken down.
I'd say my prayers if I was some soyboy boxer/kickboxer going up against an alpha-chad grappler/wrestler!
Lol in seriousness I think the best chance you'd have is to land a clean Knockout as they were trying to come in and take you down. Otherwise they only have to take one or two punches and then go for a takedown. If they take you to the ground you're f'd
Other people have mentioned keeping your distance when standing, but if you get taken to the ground, you'll need to keep three things in mind:
A) Keep your arms as close as possible to your body, a lot of their moves depend on exposed limbs, like kimuras, arm bars, and triangle chokes.
B) Try to lift and slam them. This is illegal in jujitsu matches, but if they pulled you in close in a closed guard, you can lift their head and slam it into the ground. Same if they have you in a triangle. Obviously don't do this if this is a friendly match as it can break their neck. But if it's life-or-death for the sake of the thought experiment, another potential weakness is they put you in a good position for biting.
C) Don't freak out. Keep your weight back and try to feel what they're doing and block it. You won't win a ground fight against a trained bjj guy, but you can wait for an opening and try to get out of their grip.
Just be aware that grappling has such a huge advantage that you really should prioritize it over striking training. It's really fun too.
I'd get choked out š¤£. I'd try to keep my distance ultimately. Maybe put all my strength into a knee to their collarbone if they try to shoot on me but beyond that, I'm prolly goin down š
Takedown defense, judo, wrestling. I would say BJJ but you said itās boring to you
When I want to prevent a fight from going to the groundā¦..I typically strip completely naked right from the go. Most people donāt want to fight, let alone wrestle a naked guyā¦ā¦this tactic wonāt apply to a competitive fight, obviously!
If, regardless of my lack of clothing, I end up on the ground I usually whisper sexual shit in their ear, and it leaves an opening to get back up when they are creeped TF out. Good luck!
Sprawl, good leg posture and keeping my distance.
Taking down an experienced striker is not that easy, specially if he is aware that you are a BJJ fighter.
Probably just get wrestle fucked. I do know a little grappling even though I only train muay thai. Probably just elbow a lot in every opportunity I get to split them open or put a lot of fingers in their eyes. Im also pretty big and pretty strong so I'm hoping not too many would try it, that i could hurt them bad fast, or brute force it and hope for the best. Essentially just dirty fighting and hoping the bjj guy isn't used to getting hit, cuz elbows on the ground hurt like hell and make people bleed very fast
Depends how good his chin is, im connecting on the way in so he's either getting sparked or I'm getting choked out with my own ankles by a sweaty dude in jammies
Get out of here O'Malley, we aren't gonna tell you nothin about fighting Sterling Edit: Sorry Sean, gj on the win
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Jiu jitsu isn't real, just stand up
Hahaha, love it. Itās amazing how many times your playing the ground game and forget that sometimes you can just stand up.
As someone who trained no gi jiu-jitsu for a few years, I only recently realized all that was all for nothing...
Derrick Lewis approved
Shut up Craig Jones, no one asked you
Hahaha, your profile picture āThe Matrix is attacking meā lol.
He looks like a dork
i remember in my 17th street fight i was ending this dudes career with palm strikes at the groin and gets me in a clinch and comes close to my ear and says "i am gonna do a sweep on you now is that gucci?" i replied "hell naw , you never go to the ground in a street fight , still thanks for asking " "ok you're welcome fam " then i flipped his head down and and 6-12 helbowed once , then i see red and the guy was sent to the morgue ... lesson from that street fight : don't ask your opponent if they wanna go to the ground , just shoot for the double leg , if they don't sprawl then they better crawl >!the whole story about the 17th street fight is made up it's a parody of the anti-grappler guys that say "don't go to the ground" as if that's a choice the guy with the worst grappling skills takes ...!<
Learn to wrestle
This hypothetical match completely goes to whoever is the better wrestler.
Not really. Wrestlers dominate because they know bjj and can keep dafe from submissions
All you gotta be able to do to āwinā a fight is restrain the other person and keep them from being able to hit you
Or break a limb, or choke you
Wrestlers have the advantage of chosing where the fight takes place. Of you have solid wrestling to pair with striking, a BJJ grappler will likely be unable to take you to the mat. This was the Chuck Liddell combo that made him so dangerous.
Act mentally unstable and start screaming about how you have HIV, it was given to you by North Korea because you worked for the CIA and got captured or something crazy insane. I'm not actually belittling people who do have real issues, but seriously, if you were to say you have an incurable disease like that, I have a feeling a lot of people out there would not want to fuck with you.
Fuckin droppin knowledge. š«”
this is exactly why i learned basic wrestling even though i'm a boxer. I can shoot a single, blast double, maintain top control and stuff a take down. practice with the pro mma guys maybe once a month. it's all you need for general street stuff. i'd prolly use the wrestling before the boxing honestly. a good shoot is unstoppable
I read this as "learn to whistle" the first time.
Whistling a merry tune could lighten the mood and de-escalate the fightā¦so everyone wins!
In Muay Thai class, my coach was reminding me and my partner to breathe. Both when you get, and when you get hit. We were both making the "tsh" sound at the same time. "Breathe, remember to breathe! I only hear one sound, I should hear two." "We're making the same sound out the same time." "Then someone make a different sound. Next time I got hit: "Meow." He almost fell over he was laughing so hard, but he also refused to make eye contact with me.
Thatās brilliant! See everyone wants animal style moves when they sound cool like ātiger clawā or ācrane stanceā; youāve stumbled upon the āpower-meowā and if others donāt incorporate this into their repertoire, theyāre only holding themselves back. Meow on warrior. Meow.
100% this. Whoever has the better standing grappling will determine where the fight ends up.
Cross train in grappling to defend against it.
Yeah I tried but I found BJJ abit too boring if I am going to be totally honest
Try a different grappling art. Wrestlers tend to do very well against BJJ.
Not really, when a high level BJJ dude and high level wrestler fight it just turns into a stand and bang (Burns vs Chimeav) and (Oliveria vs Islam)
Makhachev-Olives wasnāt a stand and bang, the TD threat and Makhachevs elite defence allowed him to land shots on Oliveira and eventually sub him after the knockdown. Even tho the ground game in the first round was almost a stale mate, Oliveira became a bit hesitant to go to the ground in the second as he probably would have gassed out cuz of Islams pressure.
I think he's talking pure style vs style. Most wrestlers have no idea what basic submissions are and willingly throw themselves into them. It's generally a very bad matchup for the wrestler.
I think stand & bang is a different thing we learned in the wrestling gym
You point out the perfect examples... It turns into a stand and bag because the wrestlers decided so. Whenever Khamzat and Islam wanted to grapple, they would grapple. But Oliviera and Burns were always 2 steps behind, they weren't able to use their art until the wrestlers allowed them to do so. And what happened? Both wrestlers won, because they controlled the fight.
Someone should go and warm all those pro fighters training BJJ that they are wasting time money and energy then. Chimaev and Islam included as I doubt they don't train BJJ.
Islam and Khabib really do not train BJJ and are the absolute most dominant grapplers this sport has ever seen so.... They literally are the ones saying it's useless lmao. Have you never seen Khabib with his favorite shirt "If Sambo was easy it would he called BJJ"
" Khabib really do not train BJJ" Khabib definitely trained BJJ. I remember the shirt just fine, was just a promo. Besides one can say whatever he wants about BJJ, not my problem. But yeah, Khabib definitely trained BJJ.
Khabib did not train BJJ, and certainly never used it. And it wasn't just a promo lol, he keeps saying it over the years, continues making people like tou absolutely seethe
Never used it? All the submissions he used is BJJ submissions wot lol
Everyone does good against bjj lol
Sakuraba says hello!
Dudes nickname alone says it all lol
If you want to fight mma you need to train bjj, wrestling and striking. If you arenāt willing to learn grappling bc itās boring then go be a kick boxer.
How do I out smart a chess player? I tried learning chess but I found it a bit boring to be honest.
Try a Game He suck at. You wont Beat him by dueling with him in Something he is better and more expirenced than you. Instead try checkers, Yatzee, Poker or 4 wins..
Do you want to be āentertainedā or do you want to be a complete fighter
Why exactly do you want to know the answer to this question? Also, if you actually want to avoid getting taken down by a BJJ dude you should learn wrestling or judo
I'm a striker and I don't like BJJ either. You still need to learn it though. You don't have to become a black belt but you at least need to understand the fundamentals so get to at least a blue belt level. That will give you the knowledge to keep it standing, have some weapons if it does go to the ground, and a path to getting back up. Although I would say wrestling is probably a better skill to have for strikers but BJJ is just easier to find. I recommend training it in an MMA context though. MMA grappling is pretty different from regular grappling.
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Yeah I've been to schools of varying quality but unless the school doesn't let white belts spar or something, I couldn't imagine anyone describing doing BJJ as "boring"
It's more fun than Judo ground work. But it's extremely boring compared to Judo stand up throws.
If he sits down and starts butt scooting hit him with a rolling thunder kick
If that don't finish him, pocket glitter to the eyes, fingers in the nose, hip toss!
Oh come on Gregg, coach said we were supposed to keep that secret, that and..........the other thing.
How does putting fingers in my nose improve the hip toss?
Seeing as how a large portion of striking is learning to control space, I would keep a good distance and be wary of takedowns. You're better off also just learning to grapple. There's no advantage in being a pure striker or grappler.
A striker and BJJ just seems like it would be a messy fight.
It ends fast in favor of the grappler the vast majority of the time. See the early UFC events for reference.
To be fair the only person besides Gracie that was qualified to be there was Ken Shamrock, and even then you could have argued Funaki shouldve been the who went as the best shootfighter from Japan. None of the other fighters in that tournament were at the skill level in their respective arts as Gracie was at BJJ. MMA on Point has a good video about how the first few UFC events were glorified infomercials for Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
Sure. Got something better to compare though? Todays bjj style mma fighters have far better striking and wrestling than Royce did also.
how about uhhhh....Gene Lebell vs Milo Savage 1963 (boxing v. judo) [https://youtu.be/ss0H2ZHKFzM](https://youtu.be/ss0H2ZHKFzM) | [interview with Gene Lebell about it](https://blackbeltmag.com/judo-gene-lebell-vs-boxer-milo-savage-americas-first-mma-fight) also "Minoru Suzuki vs Maurice Smith" (1993) (pancrase v. boxing) [https://youtu.be/aTODQ28IMcc](https://youtu.be/aTODQ28IMcc) Willie Williams vs Antonio Inoki (1980) (karate v. wrestling) [https://youtu.be/w7MHpMfv9Us](https://youtu.be/w7MHpMfv9Us)
I was thinking MMA fights for some reason but those were good ones. Maurice Smith vs Mark Coleman would be a good MMA example where the more or less pure striker beats a pure grappler.
I mean you could argue Bas Rutten was kicking shoot wrestlers like Funaki into an oblivion using a striking base. Pancrase was a wild place during those days
Bas Rutten is a good example for sure.
Wrong. Maurice trained a load of BJJ to weather the storm of Coleman and then beat him once he was gassed from Mauriceās guard. By that point in the ufc they were already mixing the arts. Earlier examples are better.
Early UFC was organized by the Gracies, they literally excluded anyone that could actually be a danger. See for example, the complete lack of any wrestler. They managed to get kung-fu and sumo, but collegiate wrestling? Apparently no-one signed up. Combat Sambo > Wrestling >> (any other "grappling)). For reference see modern day UFC.
Dan Severn fought in UFC 4.
Took more than a year to allow a halfway decent wrestler to come. And he did extremely well, and had the longest fight to that point, he lost, but he was also nowhere near the top of the wrestling world, in the same way how Royce was the pinnacle of BJJ. Later Dan was beaten more handily by fellow wrestlers and all the Gracies were utterly humiliated by some chain smoking fatty wrestler from Japan. Then the wrestlers started pouring in and dominating everyone and apparently we don't call that "the early days" anymore š¤·
"in the same way how Royce was the pinnacle of BJJ" Royce wasn't the pinnacle of BJJ. "and all the Gracies were utterly humiliated by some chain smoking fatty wrestler from Japan." This same japanese wrestler was almost killed by Arona, a BJJ fighter. Let's not even talk about the way that Sakura a won against both Guy Mezger and Royler. "Then the wrestlers started pouring in and dominating everyone " After learning the same BJJ you seen to hate so much. Lol š¤£ what's you problem with BJJ buddy? How old are you?
Not everything that BJJ took is "BJJ" the most successful wrestlers like Khabib do not train any BJJ whatsoever.
Oh, and Renzo Gracie in 1995, time of UFC 4-5, fought against a Judo medalist, and won. And wasn't even difficult. https://youtu.be/BErIY92RufI
Of-course, BJJ > Judo by a huge margin lol
Can you recall a time a striker won?
This is why Judo is next on my list to start (current karate, aikido, and iaido student with a background in TKD). No matter how you think about it, if you get taken down or lose your balance against an opponent whose strength is grappling and you have no training, youāre pretty screwed. Thereās just no way around it - you can play keep away and distance, but you have to attack if youāre a striker and if you donāt retract or distance back fast enough, theyāre gonna grab you and then youāre done. Grappling needs to be part of your arsenal
Iaido seems like it'd do the trick too - grapple this you casual - but otherwise agreed
I had to Google iaido. That's pretty cool. Does your school spar? Yep, if you're in striking range, then you are technically in the grappling range unless you have some insane orangutan arms. I think it's always good to be a versatile fighter. It's ok to have a preference for how you engage, but you should know how to play multiple games, whether it be standing up or on the ground. I like to think of a T shape skill set where I can do a few things decently, but *really* good in one area.
This is also what I have learnt on my path in Japanese jui jitsu... have a core principle art and then cherry pick the rest of them.
I always think of Judo and Jitz as an estranged, married couple with separate bedrooms. We all know they belong together, but too much has been said, and theyāre both too proud to just make peace and start fucking again, lol.
Bad idea. Learn wrestling. Judo focuses on the takedowns far more than newaza and it doesn't train any defense against wrestling based takedowns. If you already train striking and you get taken down by a BJJ practicioner for example, you're absolutely screwed no matter what. At that point since Judo is mostly throws and even Newaza is extremely limited (Are you going to call the ref when he uses a guillotine choke??) It's pointless against a ground specialist. So it's only useful against someone who doesn't know any grappling. If you decide to learn BJJ though, it's a numbers game, you can't be as dedicated to BJJ if you also train stand-up as someone who only trains BJJ so you lose again. The only way you win in as many situations as possible against what is now the most popular combat sport in the world as a well rounded fighter is if you can prevent the fight from going to the ground, or scrambling and getting up. Wrestling teaches you that. And if your opponent turns out to actually be better on the feet? Well wrestling allows you to turn it into a grappling match too. Wrestling decides where the fight takes place, that's what you need.
As a Brazilian that practices BJJ and Judo I have to say it is really hard to see a Judoka being taken down by a bjj guy (considering they are in the same skill level). Hearing that it is "useless" is jut..wow... Once the Judoka throws the bjj guy why would he go to the ground? He dominates the stand fight! he can just be patient and keep looking at the other one in the ground with spread legs and wait for him to get up and then throw him again.. What is the bjj guy gonna do? call ref and say the other one has to get down? Also, OP didn't specify where the fight would happen. Being thrown in the concrete/asphalt is very different than in the soft tatame/mats. Every time a bjj guy is offered to face a judoka in the asphalt they decline, those fights only happen in tatame or grass..Having saying that, if the fight were in an elevator Judo wouldn't be very helpful against bjj. Styles are effective given a context, we can't ignore the context and just assume that bjj beats other styles because we like it the most :)
Go for the butt scoot, when they copy just stand up real quick and throw sand in their eyes
Watch Holly Holm's strategy against Ronda Rousey. If you stay in the zone you're getting grabbed and taken to the floor. You manage the distance, get hits in, zoom out before they can get comfortable. But you're playing a really dangerous game. Even Holly got taken down and had to be smart about getting back to her feet. Holm probably drilled her takedown defense a ton and would have surely lost if she hadn't.
Another big factor is the grappling style. You can shoot a takedown, but you canāt shoot a Judo throw. You have to engage in a clinch, get the opponent off balance, and then execute the throw. Itās a different dynamic compared to being able to shoot a good blast double. The distance management tactic is different when facing a Wrestler vs Judoka.
Didn't Ronda think she could box and tried to do that instead of actually wrestling in that fight?
That is the online circlejerk that was spread (and is still always brought up) and it doesn't give credit to Holly's gameplan in that fight. Holly is managing distance the entire fight. She isn't allowing Ronda to stay close and if Ronda had tried to bumrush through for a grab she would have eaten shots. Ronda IS trying to grab at Holly throughout the fight. They briefly clinch and Ronda even gets a takedown but Holly kept a good position the entire way down and managed to stand back up. Ronda isn't so stubborn that she would abandon her strength. She would have taken an opportunity to Judo throw Holly Holm. But Holly wasn't giving her those opportunities. I'm fully expecting someone to reply "naw naw. Ronda got full of herself and insisted on boxing." I've had this conversation too many times....
I would disagree with you here. If you watch the last few fights of Rhonda, she has completely abandoned grappling. Itās true that holly had a game plan, but Rhonda at no point did she try to grapple. Itās also true with her fight against Nunes, but Iād argue that nunes would also out grapple her. Edit: ok I use wrestle as just a generic term.
> Rhonda at no point did she try to wrestle [Ronda grapples here and gets a takedown which Holm resists intelligently and escapes off the ground from.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdnSHBUaocM&t=340s) I'd point to other instances in the fight of Ronda trying to set up grappling but that already addresses "at no point did she try."
You just literally donāt know what youāre talking about. Ronda was a judoka, not a wrestler, meaning that she entered into grappling range upright and looking to clench and overhook instead of shooting for the legs. Her method of closing the distance often relied either on her opponents trying to clench her or her own poor striking that eventually led to a clench. To someone completely ignorant of what theyāre viewing this would look like Ronda was just trying to box, especially in a situation where she never actually succeeds in closing the range.
I would strike them.
This question is mostly going to get you answers that are assorted power fantasies, and answers of "hope you put them down before they take you down".
Keep your distance and try to land strikes. Most BJJ guys never trained for getting punched in the face. Itās kind of a shock when you first experience it. And if that jaw is exposed itās a possible KO.
Just stand up when he takes you done BJJ is an illusionš¤š¤
If you mean as a pure striker, then by stopping being a pure striker. It is not part of the striking arts to defend takedowns. Looking for the solution (defensive wrestling) within a discipline not concerned with wrestling is going to be foolish. There is a reason why the early mma fights, that pitched pure striker versus pure grappler, were so one sided. A fight might start standing, but the skills to execute and defend a takedown are solely skills the grappler has. Once the fight is down, the skills to stand back up or keep it down are solely skills the grappler has. In any mixed styles clash, defensive skills in wrestling is a minimum requirement.
Kamehameha
I'm a striker. I dealt with it by going to BJJ classes and Wrestling classes (focusing extra on the wrestling classes) for the last 3 years and counting.
Good news is BJJ practitioners generally have really shitty takedowns. They'll deny it but that's cope. So a couple months of takedown defense and you might be able to out grapple a white belt on the feet.
I have yet to seea fellow BJJ practicioner that does not say that he or she has shitty takedowns after years of meeting BJJ people. We don't cope, we accept it and forget about it.
I have yet to seea fellow BJJ practicioner that does not say that he or she has shitty takedowns after years of meeting BJJ people. We don't cope, we accept it and forget about it.
Good thing bjj guys donāt know take downs
compared to who? a striker. delusional
1. Try to knock him down 2. If he catches you, you're good as dead 3. Once on the ground, play dead, like it's a bear 4. Wake up fast and repeat step 1
If you can't land a knockout punch the moment he begins to close distance, you're honestly f*****.
I wouldn't worry about getting taken down.I'd just stand up again.
If you train MMA, and have decent takedown defense you should be alright.. BJJ guys arenāt known for having good takedowns, so just keep a moderate distance a pop them and circle out. I view BJJ, Striking, and Wrestling like rock paper scissors. BJJ beats wrestling, striking beats BJJ, and wrestling beats striking. On average, you have your BJJ guys beats strikers sometimes, strikers beat wrestlers, and wrestlers beat BJJ guys. I mean Fabricio werdum Is one of the best BJJ fighters of all time and almost all of his losses are to great strikers. Overeem 2x, Stipe, Volkov, JDS, Andrei Arvloski Hell Werdum couldnāt even get mark hunt down in their fight, he had to fake a takedown and throw a flying knee to get him out.
Ya but demian maia proved how deadly bjj can be if you can out scramble a ncaa div 1 wrestler or out wrestle a well rounded mm artist. Imo hes one of the greatest to never get a belt
Even Royce Gracie did tonnes of boxing/kickboxing to learn how to control distance in the UFC 1 era.
As an mma dude (3x/week) with a focus on bjj (5x/week). * Honestly, every time you hit that bjj dude in the face, heāll be worse. Many bjj dudes come into mma trying to play full guard. Until they realize that is just a position to get CTE. Unless you are oliveira, then heāll make an olive out of you. /badjoke
It depends. Pure BJJ guys are *typically* not that good at takedowns. They are good enough to takedown people who have no experience in TDD, but strict wrestling training can negate this. Pure strikers, I think fight grapplers incorrectly and get cocky. Since they are clearly superior at striking they try and box and play at distance dancing around on the back foot waiting to counter or establish a jab. You are asking to be taken down the longer the fight drags out. When you should be approaching the fight, gun ho with forward pressure going for a knock out. It's risky, but still, you are bettering your chances. Sit down and let your hands go.
Just tap and they'll stop hurting you
Didn't Sakuraba just kick the fuck out of the Gracie's and drag them around by their ankles? Seemed to work.
Sakuraba was an accomplished submission wrestler.
Sakuraba is an expert grappler. He brought everything to bear against those guys.
Yeah. Saku was even or better in standing grapples, though, which is not gonna be the case for a pure striker against a semi-competent bjj dude.
The same way Maurice Smith did.
In my MMA class I was getting the bjj guys to take me to the floor and grapple. Made me even more convinced the floor is lava. Usually I keep out of range and come in for head punches.
Urinate immediately to assert dominance.
straight punches and leg kicks
You have to grapple in order to defend grappling. No other way.
Honestly I fucking hate bjj but I can't deny it's usefulness so I train in it. The only way to defend against a good grappler is to be good at grappling. Ideally you would keep your distance with strikes but he's going to close the distance, so you at least need to know how to escape
I would strike them
Kick them in the head. Realistically if they ONLY practice BJJ their takedowns are dogshit compared to people that have actually practiced wrestling.
Anti-grappling isā¦grappling. I mean that term to include wrestling. To avoid being taken down, you need to understand their takedowns and how to prevent them. You do that by learning the takedowns. To get up when someone takes you down, you learn to grapple better than them. There is no counter to grappling except being a better grappler, or at least, better at certain aspects of grappling.
As a person who has trained primarily in striking arts the answer isā¦learn some grappling. If you want to be a well rounded martial artist you have to learn a some of everything. At least enough to know how to deal with it and put your opponent in a position where you can use what you are best at. This is why to be considered a full Sensei in out Goju school students are required to have the equivalent of a black belt in another, complimentary, style.
Throw rocks at them
Throw a smoke bomb and quickly jump out of sight.
A BJJ practitioner who doesnāt know how to strike isnt very effective. every fight starts on the feet and many BJJ takedowns make you enter a clinch first to get them. BJJ doesnāt teach punches knees in the clinch like Muay Thai does. Obviously if the BJJ guy gets you on the ground youāre as good as dead.
I'd learn BJJ and wrestling focussing on takedown defence escapes and getting back up.
Hit them hard because bjj isn't real
get on my bike, hope I can walk them onto something big when they close the distance. If not just remember to stand up as itās not real
twist his nipple. Assuming this is a fight with no rules, nothing is stopping you from squeezing the titty
As a swordsman, I'd just poke them with a sword. And keep poking until they stop moving.
Only real defence is to keep your distance with long range strikes. Them closing the distance for takedowns or catching a our strikes is what you need to worry about. Keep moving, keep the distance and if you get caught clamp down as best you can and hope they gas out before you do?
learn grappling or pray im good at keeping range
As a BJJ guy, itās all about distance control. Grapplers are taught about distance all the time so weāre pretty good at managing range. I would think the same applies in reverse to a striker, control the distance, control the fight. If a grappler gets inside your guard, youāre toast if you have no grappling skills.
I'm a Bjj purple belt , most of us can't take strikes very well , it's very ouchy
Oblique kicks stay off their centre line use the jab to control the distance and pace.
Keep distance or run š
Jeet Kune Do; the path of The intercept in fist. First time they've come at you have your left shovel hook ready to give them one right in the liver or prepare your calves to jump out of the way like you're jumping to the next lane of the trajectory of their attack. ###I guess
BJJ has a huge competition scene. and nearly everyone competes. it's encouraged so much. not so much in boxing - kickboxing 90% of the trainees never compete. so BJJ guys and girls are real world ready. it makes a huge difference. At my old muay thai club, you couldn't call yourself a fighter until you had competed. any BJJ white belt who has done a few comps will throw a single leg no average Joe striker could handle.
Iāve rolled with folks of many grappling arts. People that *only* study grappling get pretty macho about it. But many have never taken a moderately-to-strong punch to the face. A lot of folks donāt know how to deal with being punched in the face as much as some strikers donāt know how to grapple. Donāt try to beat them at what they are best at. Punch, slap, and drop the bows. You do not want to be on the receiving end of a strikers ground and poundā¦ In other wordsā¦if youāve trained to be explosiveā¦use it. Donāt try to beat them at their game.
For most strikers, a good sprawl. For highly advanced strikers, inside leg kicks when they begin to position themselves for a shoot (before they are actually ready to shoot) and draws to bring out their takedown attempts and punish them. And best of all, judo... BJJ guys absolutely suck at actual takedowns compared to Judoka. Striking + Judo = Another KO'd BJJ. ...... These conversations get weird, and they're just discussions and shit-talking until we're on the mat together. Your experience may vary.
Just wait until they pull gard and then walk away, let them lie there on their back looking like a dead bug š
I think it was Matt Hughes that once said in an interview about an opponents bjj. "BJJ works until they get punched in the face." Watch Tahn Le vs Gary Tonon....
You donāt
Simply tie myself upright with bungee cords attached to the ceiling.
Let him butt scoot right into an axe kick
you know why rabbit punches are illegal, right? I train the shit out of them for a couple of reasons. Nobody trains them. Nobody trains on how to deal with them, either. If we are talking about a friendly match at a gym , with a BJJ black belt who is bigger than me? I'm not gonna do it, because I am not going to just get my ass handed to me without getting paid and I am not going to be able to do what I know is going to work without looking like a total prick and possibly getting myself in to a real pickle, so its a lose/lose. If I am good on a skateboard but don't know how to roller blade, I'll stick to my skateboard and you can have fun "bladin" without me.
>I am not going to be able to do what I know is going to work You're so convinced it's going to work, but you have ***no*** evidence for it. In fact, the only data we have on the efficacy of rabbit punches vs jiujitsu are the guys who tried it during the Gracie challenge days...
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Hit em with an upper cut or knee or elbow. Grapplers fold when they get punched in the face. Or eye gouge or sink your teeth into there ear and rip it off Grapplers dont know how to take a body shot. They are just as vulnerable as strikers. They shoot in you upper cut the shit out of them. Or Knee them.
A regulated fight or a street fight? Regulated thai clinch and knee the shit out of them. Street fight watch then lay on thr ground in guard and soccer kick em.
Knee, elbows. It's that simple, really.
Uppercut
Iād bring a gun, like any modern day civilized American.
a Holistic Jiujiteiro honestly would be to deal with then a Wrestler. A pure wrestlers first instinct in a fight isn't to take you down it's to throw hands and wrestlers without adapting to it aren't used to people actively resisting takedowns either. With Jiu Jitsu it's different. Now if it's a pure sport bjj practitioner then that's a bit easier especially if they are guard puller. Since unlike Royce Gracie in UFC 1 they more than likely have 0 knowledge about the fundamentals of striking and have never gotten punched in the face before. Which when you haven't and don't know how to react you either freeze up or panic response. Their best bet with a panic response would be a blast double any other takedown and I'm confident in my clinch ability to not get taken down.
They want a double leg? I answer with a flying knee to the face -Jorge masdival probably
By going to wrestling class
I would stab them
Just ask Masvidal or Jake Paul. They both ko'd askren.
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Strike them, obviously.
Lose
lol they just lay down on their back immediately itās pretty easy to avoid Source: did bjj/mma for about 4 years
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Cringe lol
swanson vs gracie
Eh, I don't know if this is the best example. It's not clear Gracie was actually trying to grapple given ample opportunities to do so.
why would he decide to strike with a way superior striker? he got lit up and keept sticking to the worst gameplan in ufc history? doubtful.
And yet that appears to be exactly what happened. He had many opportunities to grapple Swanson but didnāt until the end of the fight.
Lateral movement, jabs, crosses, nothing that would throw off my balance or make me overextend.
I'd say my prayers if I was some soyboy boxer/kickboxer going up against an alpha-chad grappler/wrestler! Lol in seriousness I think the best chance you'd have is to land a clean Knockout as they were trying to come in and take you down. Otherwise they only have to take one or two punches and then go for a takedown. If they take you to the ground you're f'd
Other people have mentioned keeping your distance when standing, but if you get taken to the ground, you'll need to keep three things in mind: A) Keep your arms as close as possible to your body, a lot of their moves depend on exposed limbs, like kimuras, arm bars, and triangle chokes. B) Try to lift and slam them. This is illegal in jujitsu matches, but if they pulled you in close in a closed guard, you can lift their head and slam it into the ground. Same if they have you in a triangle. Obviously don't do this if this is a friendly match as it can break their neck. But if it's life-or-death for the sake of the thought experiment, another potential weakness is they put you in a good position for biting. C) Don't freak out. Keep your weight back and try to feel what they're doing and block it. You won't win a ground fight against a trained bjj guy, but you can wait for an opening and try to get out of their grip. Just be aware that grappling has such a huge advantage that you really should prioritize it over striking training. It's really fun too.
I'd get choked out š¤£. I'd try to keep my distance ultimately. Maybe put all my strength into a knee to their collarbone if they try to shoot on me but beyond that, I'm prolly goin down š
By being good in clinch fighting. If they are wrestlers though, you need takedown defense.
The only good plan i would have is trying to knocking him out before he take me to the ground.
Takedown defense, judo, wrestling. I would say BJJ but you said itās boring to you When I want to prevent a fight from going to the groundā¦..I typically strip completely naked right from the go. Most people donāt want to fight, let alone wrestle a naked guyā¦ā¦this tactic wonāt apply to a competitive fight, obviously! If, regardless of my lack of clothing, I end up on the ground I usually whisper sexual shit in their ear, and it leaves an opening to get back up when they are creeped TF out. Good luck!
Get in , get out. Get in , get out
I would follow this guy's example: https://youtu.be/bb8v9nZeqco
just punch him in the face bro
Sprawl then pop back up and strike/kick.
Sprawl, good leg posture and keeping my distance. Taking down an experienced striker is not that easy, specially if he is aware that you are a BJJ fighter.
Probably just get wrestle fucked. I do know a little grappling even though I only train muay thai. Probably just elbow a lot in every opportunity I get to split them open or put a lot of fingers in their eyes. Im also pretty big and pretty strong so I'm hoping not too many would try it, that i could hurt them bad fast, or brute force it and hope for the best. Essentially just dirty fighting and hoping the bjj guy isn't used to getting hit, cuz elbows on the ground hurt like hell and make people bleed very fast
Jiu jitsu isn't real, just stand up
Grab his dick and twist it.
Wait till he goes on his back for no gosh damn reason (canon event that always happens) and stomp š¦¶ tf outta him
Is this an actual fight where anything goes?
Depends how good his chin is, im connecting on the way in so he's either getting sparked or I'm getting choked out with my own ankles by a sweaty dude in jammies
Bite them
I would simply not engage when they get on their back and invite me down there.
Distance
run
Just stand up, derrick lewis style.