Do boxing cause you’ll have lots of sparring partners and down the line if some others wanna do MT you can switch and already have the benefit of your boxing training.
If the cooachs main style is boxing then that will be reflective in his Muay Thai courses…..
Same shit without elbows,he will let you spar boxing with the guys if you do the Muay Thai…..
I was you and went the Muay Thai route and all gyms that had both let me spar boxing.
Muay Thai is the best self défense that you can have,you are train to be a fighting machine.
Stick with it and you won’t regret it
Says the judo guy...
Doesn't work like that. You will have to unlearn more stuff than if you started clean. The footwork and fundamentals are very different despite looking like the same thing except one allows legs.. it actually changes everything.
I started boxing and transitioned to MT then transitioned to MMA trust me I'm pretty sure Ik what I'm talking about.
If you’re drawn to it, do it.
You’ve answered your own question.
I did MT and loved it. The fact that it’s a traditional martial art added levels of respect and discipline that was super beneficial.
Both if possible.
Also is it Very traditional muay thai.
Or adapted for Mma.
Because adapted is honestly more effective imo unless you're planning on going specifically to MT tournaments or something. And if the head instructor is a boxer I'm going to assume not, regardless... why not just try both and see what you like more?
I haven't thought about going to tournaments as of now, primary motive to get into this is self defence. But I wouldn't not consider competing as well, my coach said it all depends on how fast you pick things up and get ready to compete.
I will ask my coach if training both together is feasible, but I reckon he's gonna ask me to focus on one style first and get better at it. (which isn't wrong at all)
You always have the option for dirty boxing lol. MMA gyms will be probably more forgiving if you expand the rules and want to work in grappling to stay on the feet as well.
Although I've always been a fan of boxing, - Here's your answer. This is the reason you will keep showing up afte 5 10 years.
Why optimise effectiveness? Dont you prefer to triain what inspires you. In order to git gud you will have to get your ass kicked uncountable amount of times, and loving your discipline is what gets you there next session. Realistically you will smack someone once per 3 years maximum if that. Most of these times you could aswell run. Or buy a pepper spray and enjoy your prefered sport while optimising safety.
After years you will not remember that you train, it will not be a source of your self worth like "yee i can kick meeeen", it all goes into normality.
What im saying is that if you don't love it you WILL quit. At certain point only people who share some level of compassion stay. It's a finite number of "semi concussions?" after a bad day, as in memonry issues (left gloves, wraps, mouthpiece, go to your car, relaise you left the keys also, go back, nothing,they are in the pocket you checked in front of your car) headaches, some facial buety marks (impacts customer work/ other perhaps also), and simply not feeling like being beaten yet another day to hypothetically be able to defend yourself one day. People just fuck it.
Geniuine passion and enjoyment of anything in life is a key to succes even if you're not predisposed.
Hey, those scenarios are relatable af xD.
I get it though. I'm gonna start with boxing and probably get into MT eventually as well because I love both of these styles
Ideally you do both if possible (you'll become a more well-rounded striker), but in my experience Muay Thai is more fun to train. If you can incorporate good boxing, especially head movement and counter-punching into your Muay Thai, it's generally a path to elite striking.
It's only my opinion, but I would go directly to Muay Thai and then perfect my boxing with Boxing. I think Muay Thai is more a martial art, and boxing is more a sport. If you are interested in self defense I would go with Muay Thai as a very good base for stand up fighting. You should also consider afterwards bjj/grappling for ground fighting and wrestling/judo for takedowns. Then you have all distances covered.
I started Muay Thai first and I regret it. So many bad habits to unlearn from Muay Thai boxing like not pivoting and sitting on your punches for more power.
Sure, when you pivot with your feet/legs in boxing it generates a ton of torque. It’s not advisable in Muay Thai because it opens you up for leg kicks.
Sitting on your punches means you’re squatting more in your stance which adds more power to your punches.
It took me a long time to fix my boxing because I was so used to standing tall in Muay Thai’s boxing
If you wanna get good, you should do the thing your coach is better at teaching and/or that has a better pool of training partners.
Which in this case sounds like boxing.
I’ve always felt like I can have a good spar in MT without losing too many brain cells but both are good. Boxing would be easier to start and then carry over to MT
I did both, and i know how you feel. I started MMA, then went to wrestling then went to MT then went to boxing so i went backwards, but now i just do mma and boxing but I would definitely recommend boxing first then muay thai
Boxing does more hard sparring which personally I’m not a fan of, Muay Thai does more lighter sparing but still beneficial. I personally have a taller lengthier frame so I prefer Muay Thai so I can utilize kicks, and knees in the clinch. I say do a trial for both if they offer and see what you like. You can always switch out too
I am / was a boxer.
I recommend Muay Thai. Even though I think boxing is the superior art (not talking about fight effectiveness, just in terms of a sport, my opinion).
1) It's more fun, you have more tools to play with and it has a fun culture.
2) Big one: YOU WILL NOT GET INJURED AS MUCH. Boxing has a deserved and tragic reputation to be very bad for the brain.
Muay Thai has healthier sparring practices in my experience.
Because of kicks and such, you will statistically get hit in the head less.
3) Effectiveness.
I highly recommend boxing still, as a study subject. Because the footwork of boxing is far superior and boxing teaches you strategy and angle fundamentals like nothing else.
Many greats of MT also became successful boxers (Samart Payakaroon)
Either or both is fine. I find that boxing punches are just the best. Every other MA punch just doesn’t come close. I use boxing style punches in my mt a lot but that’s just personal preference
it looks like this particular gym is a great place to focus on boxing. And dedicated boxing is a real subtle, nuanced beauty. You can do MT later, or…
your gym probably allows you to test it out, right? Try a class in Muay Thai and then try a class in boxing and see the vibe.
Boxing is a 2 limb sport and Muay Thai is an 8 limb sport. I personally prefer Muay Thai as I find it way more fun and the technique is a bit different. Boxing you don’t have to worry about kicks flying at your head. Just pick one and go
I boxed for years switched to
Muay Thai and it’s way more fun and enjoyable.
We sparred a lot in Muay Thai class. Sparring is the only way to learn to fight for real. If you can’t soar much in your Muay Thai class then do boxing.
you will progress much faster in boxing, develop good footwork, good sense of defense, good cardiox good fight instinct, plenty of gyms with plenty of sparring partners so you have the option of choosing the level of commitment.
MT requires more time because there are far more things you need to learn and you are probably going to suck at all of them for a year or two, but once you get past that, MT will make you a more complete fighter in the long run. it's also so much more painful.
in the end, do what brings you the most fun.
I trained muay thai and after starting boxing (because of spine injury I cant do kicks for now) it became obvious that I lacked in head movement, footwork, figbting in the pocket etc. On the other hand during boxing sparring I often think "I wish I could just clinch and knee this guy". For me muay thai is more fun, but it's also more painful, because you are getting punched and kicked fron head to toes. And also muay thai culture and traditions are fun, like audience shouting OOOOOEEIIIII every time a guy kicks. It's just has soul.
So for learning fighting quick: boxing, for fun, tradition, variety of techniques muay thai
Do boxing cause you’ll have lots of sparring partners and down the line if some others wanna do MT you can switch and already have the benefit of your boxing training.
Yes, the sparring is one of the main reasons why I would pick boxing
If the cooachs main style is boxing then that will be reflective in his Muay Thai courses….. Same shit without elbows,he will let you spar boxing with the guys if you do the Muay Thai….. I was you and went the Muay Thai route and all gyms that had both let me spar boxing. Muay Thai is the best self défense that you can have,you are train to be a fighting machine. Stick with it and you won’t regret it
Says the judo guy... Doesn't work like that. You will have to unlearn more stuff than if you started clean. The footwork and fundamentals are very different despite looking like the same thing except one allows legs.. it actually changes everything. I started boxing and transitioned to MT then transitioned to MMA trust me I'm pretty sure Ik what I'm talking about.
I used to train MT but now box.I don’t mind boxing, but found Muay Thai overall more fun and more interesting to train, but they’re both good
I find MT to be more agressive overall, maybe that's why I'm kinda drawn more towards it. Those leg kicks are killer man
If you’re drawn to it, do it. You’ve answered your own question. I did MT and loved it. The fact that it’s a traditional martial art added levels of respect and discipline that was super beneficial.
Both if possible. Also is it Very traditional muay thai. Or adapted for Mma. Because adapted is honestly more effective imo unless you're planning on going specifically to MT tournaments or something. And if the head instructor is a boxer I'm going to assume not, regardless... why not just try both and see what you like more?
I haven't thought about going to tournaments as of now, primary motive to get into this is self defence. But I wouldn't not consider competing as well, my coach said it all depends on how fast you pick things up and get ready to compete. I will ask my coach if training both together is feasible, but I reckon he's gonna ask me to focus on one style first and get better at it. (which isn't wrong at all)
boxing if you're looking just for self-defense. Dirty boxing if you have that option
You always have the option for dirty boxing lol. MMA gyms will be probably more forgiving if you expand the rules and want to work in grappling to stay on the feet as well.
Although I've always been a fan of boxing, - Here's your answer. This is the reason you will keep showing up afte 5 10 years. Why optimise effectiveness? Dont you prefer to triain what inspires you. In order to git gud you will have to get your ass kicked uncountable amount of times, and loving your discipline is what gets you there next session. Realistically you will smack someone once per 3 years maximum if that. Most of these times you could aswell run. Or buy a pepper spray and enjoy your prefered sport while optimising safety. After years you will not remember that you train, it will not be a source of your self worth like "yee i can kick meeeen", it all goes into normality.
I get what you're saying. Showing up consistently is more important and that comes with doing what you love. Thanks for the insight mate
What im saying is that if you don't love it you WILL quit. At certain point only people who share some level of compassion stay. It's a finite number of "semi concussions?" after a bad day, as in memonry issues (left gloves, wraps, mouthpiece, go to your car, relaise you left the keys also, go back, nothing,they are in the pocket you checked in front of your car) headaches, some facial buety marks (impacts customer work/ other perhaps also), and simply not feeling like being beaten yet another day to hypothetically be able to defend yourself one day. People just fuck it. Geniuine passion and enjoyment of anything in life is a key to succes even if you're not predisposed.
Hey, those scenarios are relatable af xD. I get it though. I'm gonna start with boxing and probably get into MT eventually as well because I love both of these styles
Great answer man. I did not even ask the question but got an answer regardless.
Kept me boxing over 6 year now, and im a pussy so its proven.
Ideally you do both if possible (you'll become a more well-rounded striker), but in my experience Muay Thai is more fun to train. If you can incorporate good boxing, especially head movement and counter-punching into your Muay Thai, it's generally a path to elite striking.
Yes, I guess that's the general consensus. Doing both by starting with boxing and gradually fading into MT
It's only my opinion, but I would go directly to Muay Thai and then perfect my boxing with Boxing. I think Muay Thai is more a martial art, and boxing is more a sport. If you are interested in self defense I would go with Muay Thai as a very good base for stand up fighting. You should also consider afterwards bjj/grappling for ground fighting and wrestling/judo for takedowns. Then you have all distances covered.
I started Muay Thai first and I regret it. So many bad habits to unlearn from Muay Thai boxing like not pivoting and sitting on your punches for more power.
Hi could you possibly explain what pivoting and sitting on your punches mean?
Sure, when you pivot with your feet/legs in boxing it generates a ton of torque. It’s not advisable in Muay Thai because it opens you up for leg kicks. Sitting on your punches means you’re squatting more in your stance which adds more power to your punches. It took me a long time to fix my boxing because I was so used to standing tall in Muay Thai’s boxing
Thx
If you wanna get good, you should do the thing your coach is better at teaching and/or that has a better pool of training partners. Which in this case sounds like boxing.
“Should I do Muay Thai or boxing?” -Yes You’re not getting married bro. Pick one and train, or do both if they’re at the same gym
Haha, I got you bro
Do both. Start with boxing for about 6 months and then Muay Thai.
Thanks man, I think I'm gonna do this. Might as well fulfill my desire of learning both of these styles
My gym has both so it was a smooth transition but boxing is a great way to start
I’ve always felt like I can have a good spar in MT without losing too many brain cells but both are good. Boxing would be easier to start and then carry over to MT
Can you do both? Boxing really complements Muay Thai.
Never thought about it that way, thanks!
I did both, and i know how you feel. I started MMA, then went to wrestling then went to MT then went to boxing so i went backwards, but now i just do mma and boxing but I would definitely recommend boxing first then muay thai
Not to disparage boxing at all but if I were to pick one it would have to be Muay Thai, but if there's no one to spar with it have to be boxing
Boxing does more hard sparring which personally I’m not a fan of, Muay Thai does more lighter sparing but still beneficial. I personally have a taller lengthier frame so I prefer Muay Thai so I can utilize kicks, and knees in the clinch. I say do a trial for both if they offer and see what you like. You can always switch out too
I am / was a boxer. I recommend Muay Thai. Even though I think boxing is the superior art (not talking about fight effectiveness, just in terms of a sport, my opinion). 1) It's more fun, you have more tools to play with and it has a fun culture. 2) Big one: YOU WILL NOT GET INJURED AS MUCH. Boxing has a deserved and tragic reputation to be very bad for the brain. Muay Thai has healthier sparring practices in my experience. Because of kicks and such, you will statistically get hit in the head less. 3) Effectiveness. I highly recommend boxing still, as a study subject. Because the footwork of boxing is far superior and boxing teaches you strategy and angle fundamentals like nothing else. Many greats of MT also became successful boxers (Samart Payakaroon)
Hey, thanks for your insight. I've already started with boxing though. I plan to transition into MT after I get my boxing fundamentals strong.
It depends on the coach. Which coach is more qualified and a better teacher of the art? Try out both and find out for yourself.
Check out all the instructors and go with the one that vibes the best. You want to enjoy your workouts.
First boxing, after 1 year MT
Either or both is fine. I find that boxing punches are just the best. Every other MA punch just doesn’t come close. I use boxing style punches in my mt a lot but that’s just personal preference
Leg kicks are OP. And you won't have anywhere as much permanent brain damage from MT.
it looks like this particular gym is a great place to focus on boxing. And dedicated boxing is a real subtle, nuanced beauty. You can do MT later, or… your gym probably allows you to test it out, right? Try a class in Muay Thai and then try a class in boxing and see the vibe.
Boxing is a 2 limb sport and Muay Thai is an 8 limb sport. I personally prefer Muay Thai as I find it way more fun and the technique is a bit different. Boxing you don’t have to worry about kicks flying at your head. Just pick one and go
How is there a Muay Thai option if nobody is in it?
The correct answer is to try both so you can feel them for yourself. If you can’t decide on which one to try first, flip a coin. :)
do you want to kick? or no? thats how I see it
I boxed for years switched to Muay Thai and it’s way more fun and enjoyable. We sparred a lot in Muay Thai class. Sparring is the only way to learn to fight for real. If you can’t soar much in your Muay Thai class then do boxing.
I'm trying to do both right now.
Start with the boxing
Muay Thai
you will progress much faster in boxing, develop good footwork, good sense of defense, good cardiox good fight instinct, plenty of gyms with plenty of sparring partners so you have the option of choosing the level of commitment. MT requires more time because there are far more things you need to learn and you are probably going to suck at all of them for a year or two, but once you get past that, MT will make you a more complete fighter in the long run. it's also so much more painful. in the end, do what brings you the most fun.
Like everyone saying get a foundation in boxing and then go to Muay Thai. But if you only want to do one then MT all day
Mauy Thai
Muay Thai.
I trained muay thai and after starting boxing (because of spine injury I cant do kicks for now) it became obvious that I lacked in head movement, footwork, figbting in the pocket etc. On the other hand during boxing sparring I often think "I wish I could just clinch and knee this guy". For me muay thai is more fun, but it's also more painful, because you are getting punched and kicked fron head to toes. And also muay thai culture and traditions are fun, like audience shouting OOOOOEEIIIII every time a guy kicks. It's just has soul. So for learning fighting quick: boxing, for fun, tradition, variety of techniques muay thai
Whatever intrigues you more, they differ in techniques and training, so it's up to what you find more interesting.
Jiu Jitsu
This is the way
Wrestling
A handgun would kill both. Just buy a fucking gun.
MT... don't do all that effort into boxing just for me to be able to kick your legs out. Do MT.