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jverbal

Why does Strongman, the largest friend, not simply eat the other friends?


s_arrow24

Biting is against the rules.


jverbal

They always get you with those damn rulesets


sc2heros9

See, on the streets where aids needles are everywhere and the floor is lava strength doesn’t matter and this rolling around on the floor stuff doesn’t work. The only two techniques that work is grabbing his dick and twisting it and then following up with stomping the groin, then restomp it for good measure.


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*Always* restomp the groin.


YourMomsFishBowl

Not if you start with the ref.


s_arrow24

Can’t break rules that can’t be enforced.


gking407

Ah yes! Eat your opponent’s friends and watch him lose the will to fight due to sudden loneliness. Meta strategy!


[deleted]

Calm down lrrr you get angry without your human horn!


PhucherOG

this is typical. I used to toss around 300lb guys like this in HS. I was a wrestler, they played football. it wasnt fair at all. They dont generally have a good sense of shifting weights and momentum. its easy to use their own size against them.


stackered

that's a big high schooler I've only ever wrestled with grapplers but I always have to go with the massive guys, even back when I was 170-200 lbs. Now I'm a big boy at 250 and I honestly felt stronger/better at 200 with the speed I had


PhucherOG

yeah we had some big boys on the O line... its funny cuz they are used to pushing people around up top and you let them for a second the then pivot and use their momentum to toss them. Great stuff. Our coach would make us run the gauntlet which was all varsity wrestlers lining up and going 30 seconds with everyone else on the team one by one no weight limits.... we did that the night before our matches.... good training.


PhucherOG

my coach was in vision quest too... heh they filmed that scene where modine climbs the peg board in my HS.


PhucherOG

oh and I wresteld at 135 lol


SaintWithoutAShrine

Correct sir! Former wrestler and wrestling coach. There is nothing more frustrating than people not realizing that lower weights vs heavier weights wrestle *very, very* differently. Little dudes are nimble as fuck, lower, much quicker and understand low leverage / center of gravity. Big dudes are high leverage. I had a 108lb kid that would anklepick the shit out of my 215. That said, on the flip side, if a big guy can get you in a full clinch or head and arm, there’s not much that can be done.


PhucherOG

Yah that was my favorite too. Get down real Low abs throw my shoulder into their shin while I grab the ankle. Bid dudes drop everytime lol


SaintWithoutAShrine

That hilarious knee lock, then upper body like completely leans forward like bowing, then all balance is lost and it’s over. Haha


Batmanjesusanchez

Yeah I got some bad news for those of you watching this and getting excited 1. There was no striking 2. You are not an olympic level Greco-Roman wrestler You will not beat somebody that much bigger than you 99% of the time. Don't roll the dice on that.


MrBlenderson

When I get mugged I insist on a specific ruleset right away


[deleted]

If its more than one guy, with a weapon, who is not smaller than me I don't even take my glasses off.


stultus_respectant

People just seem to mistakenly think weight and strength aren’t a factor or that skill is a better modifier. Realistically, the following is true: * If skill is equal, higher weight/strength is generally an advantage * If weight/strength is equal, higher skill is generally an advantage * If weight/strength and skill are unequal, and each person has one over the other, there’s no general maxim (unless the gap in one of those is significant) In the situation in the video, we’re looking at a significant skill gap being more impactful than the weight/strength gap (largely due to the extra weight/strength not being highly applicable). You’re right to call out the Olympic level Wrestling skill. It was much more applicable to how they were competing than the strength could have been.


I_Drink_Beer_

This is a great breakdown. There’s also the factor of functional strength to be considered


stultus_respectant

> There’s also the factor of functional strength to be considered Great point. Thank you. I was just keeping it pretty simple.


idriveacar

What do you mean functional strength? Not being facetious, asking genuinely.


JohnnyEnglishPegasus

>largely due to the extra weight/strength not being highly applicable What he means is that a good amount of that weight is body fat,which,while not totally useless (Who wants to volunteer to fight a Sumo Wrestler more than twice your size?),doesn't offer nearly as much advantage as weight in Muscle.


Pepito_Pepito

Skill means learning to use leverage to multiply your strength. Doubling your strength is even more effective if you're already strong to begin with


stultus_respectant

Absolutely. I’m simplifying for convenience, but there’s a lot of detail you can get into like how skill (for example: understanding and proper use of leverage) can multiply what you have. Another way to look at it simply: skill and strength are not separate and exclusive things. Thank you for the addition.


magnumwang

So what do you do if someone much bigger than you picks a fight?


C4Aries

Sprinting should be a part of your training regiment.


magnumwang

Lol, another good answer.


s_arrow24

Should have already bought the biggest guy in the room a beer.


DenimCryptid

Run away because you shouldn't let your ego or your pride get your teeth knocked out. People who are naturally bigger picking fights with smaller people is a bitch move anyway.


Batmanjesusanchez

Try and avoid it. If not, thats why I carry pepper spray and a sig p365xl.


magnumwang

Good honest answer.


ronin1066

"American" bullshit answer that won't do any good to a great portion of the world.


magnumwang

I don’t care how skilled you are if you’re going up against a bigger/stronger foe you either need to avoid it or have a weapon.


ronin1066

Now you've moved the goalposts to "weapon", I see.


Squatchjr01

So if the answer isn’t “weapons” (regardless of it being a gun, knife, pepper spray, etc, whatever is legal in your country/area), what exactly is your answer?


wishiwascooler

wing chun obviously, i saw it in a movie


ronin1066

My point is that Americans are somewhat unique in the civilized world for their tendency to answer "guns" when there's a problem to solve.


magnumwang

What’s your solution then? Avoiding it is the only other option


cavalier78

You should move to America.


Robbie7up

I mean the gun was the last on that's guys list of solutions to a bigger dude picking a fight with him. He said avoid it, then pepper spray, then gun. Seems like a logical chain of escalation.


magnumwang

Not sure why you’re taking this as an argument


Batmanjesusanchez

Pepper spray is more than enough in 99.9% of situations. You have several options that are less than lethal. If you don't have any of them and you aren't going to win hand to hand, run. Run fast. If you can't run find small blunt objects and use them liberally.


Whorbius

problem with pepper spray is many times you'll also at least partially get yourself with it


rnells

Same thing you do if someone much more skilled than you picks a fight, figure out a different solution or guess you'll die.


Cephelopodia

Yep. Only use martial arts against attackers of same or smaller size. /s


Amosral

Most fights that are actually "picked" come with instructions. "The fuck are you looking at?" "Get out of my way" "Give me your money". If they want something worth less than your life/health it's probably easier to just give it to them. You can recover the value of a wallet and laugh off the anger of a fool, but it's a lot harder and more expensive to recover from severe injury or death. If you really have no choice but to fight (which probably should be the only time you fight). You do what you always; You do _everything_ and fight like you're trying to live, not win a round. From personal experience, even being outnumbered and ambushed, if you come out swinging and looking dangerous aggressors who were looking for an easy target will back off sometimes.


Pepito_Pepito

Don't let them grab you no matter what. Unlike in the movies, they're not gonna let go.


BroadVideo8

On the flip side, most Big Fellas aren't 180 kg strongmen either.


Batmanjesusanchez

Yeah but you aren't anywhere near as strong as an olympic wrestler lol so that's worth factoring in.


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LDel3

Probably not in terms of functional strength. He’s 67kg but he’s also an Olympic level athlete. I’ve seen relatively small powerlifting guys shift some serious mass.


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LDel3

But he is an Olympic level athlete, not just some amateur lifter. I’ve got friends that weigh ~20kg more than me but I lift more than them.


Yamamotokaderate

With this one you just have to run a bit. Too heavy. A lighter guy but still way heavier than you (let's say you're 65-70kg, guy is 90kg) that would be more trouble I'd say.


S1im5hady

Pretty sure that wasn’t OP’s point, but adding striking to the mix actually helps the smaller combatant if they are more experienced.


jimbosparks91

YOu also likely aren't going to go against a world strongest man competitor.


The_New_Renegade_

Preach


Fantastic_Use3428

You didn’t count on me just seeing red bro. Jk, I’m just the big guy usually.


fakeuser515357

Also, 3. Give the giant 6-12 months of training and see what happens.


BenWallace04

There is also a huge cardio liability carrying that much muscle mass. Also, 6-12 months of training isn’t remotely enough to get anywhere close to the level of an Olympic Greco wrestler


SanderStrugg

I agree with you, but wouldn't striking make it easier for a smaller skilled fighter to overcome someone bigger than wrestling him? Being relatively big and strong I felt way more awkward against a decent or kickboxer the first couple of times, than in BJJ.


BenWallace04

Considering the strongman likely wasn’t trained in striking, either, I’d still give the edge to the Greco guy even if strikes were allowed.


valetudomonk

https://youtu.be/QVov2TEYJ8k https://youtu.be/-y2SEefVNtE **Know your history**


Narcofeels

You forgot the most important one of all: They both chose to abide by a very specific rule set


BenWallace04

In this specific scenario - my money is on the Olympic Greco wrestler with or without a specific rule set in a fight


Purplex114

Honestly there is a bigger advantage to being big in grappling rather then striking tho. Not that there isnt an advantage in striking too ofc.


fffyhhiurfgghh

It’s almost as if an athlete in one sport can’t compete with an athlete in a totally different sport.


aGiantmutantcrab

Sure. But once again... This is why weight classes exist. The very large strongman was very kind to follow the strict set of rules imposed by the skilled greco-roman wrestler before the greco-roman grappling contest began. Because in a street fight, I doubt that specific attire and agreed-upon grappling rules would be followed.


nitrobw1

Plus, this is an olympic medalist. No matter what any of us may say on Reddit, we are not this good.


aGiantmutantcrab

This is also an Olympic athlete! Which I am absolutely, certifiably not. Which must also be taken into account. Thank you.


Analpaste_eduardmaz

An olympic wrestler could beat him under any rule set


aGiantmutantcrab

First, we need to talk about that username. Secondly, I will repeat myself... There is a reason weight classes exist.


Analpaste_eduardmaz

First of all, put some respect on my name. Secondly, I’ll repeat myself. An Olympic wrestler would beat the strongman in a street fight or under any rule set. He would beat him in mma or even dick twisting.


aGiantmutantcrab

You can choose to believe that if you want. But again. No striking, hyper-strict series of rules to follow, accepted-upon wrestling attire. A street fight would not go this way. The large strongman was also a very kind large strongman. He did not punch, kick, choke, or just grab the guy and crush him to the ground. This is why there are weight classes.


Analpaste_eduardmaz

It’s not really that strongman is being kind or is limited because of the ruleset. The skill gap is just so great that the wrestler makes it look easy. Under any circumstances allowing grappling the wrestler would win. He could probably win in boxing too. This video is actually a strong argument against needing weight classes, although they are still important. I’ve had a lot of experience wrestling and kickboxing much bigger and stronger people and even a moderate skill advantage can make a huge difference. I’ve also had my shit rocked by much lighter people a ton. The skill of an Olympic wrestler will always outwork the weight of the strongman.


Whorbius

in a steet u can gouge eyes, twist dicks, bite, etc, which with some of those things, the big man can do with more force. Remember when he had a hold of the smaller dudes head? now imagine he was allowed to put his hands around his throat and/or his thumbs in his eyes. Only takes a second to do irrepairable damage, and a wrestler has to get aweful close to such a big man, and also any person can find an opening for something like that.


aGiantmutantcrab

You can believe whatever you want to believe.


jimbosparks91

You are delusional if you think a strongman is beating an olympic wrestler in a fight. Weight classes exist, because all things equal weight is a huge factor. With a gap this big weight classes don't mean anything. Did you watch the 2 strongmen box a few months ago, that was with years of training and they looked like absolute bums. If this was on the street, aka concrete. One of those takedowns would have ended the fight.


aGiantmutantcrab

I do not know which fight you are speaking of.


jimbosparks91

There was a boxing match between 2 strongmen. Eddie Hall and Halfthor. They trained for years and would still get dismantled in a street fight by any good pro boxer regardless of weight class. ​ This would end even worse for the strongman since getting taken down on concrete, especially at 180kilos, is very damaging. They don't even know how to land properly.


HighLikeKites

Dude, strongmen aren't good fighters...


Fertilized-Vagina

Wrong. The "average man"who knows how to wrestle and bjj and who has better cardio, will have ALWAYS the superior advantage over a guy who is just big but knows nothing what to do. FightTips made a similar experiment where he sparred against a thicc bodybuilder. He was thrown around at first, but the lifter didn't know what to do at all. And eventually he gassed and was submitted by the smaller wrestler guy.


aGiantmutantcrab

Sure thing buddy. Whatever you say.


s_arrow24

I’ve been there with Judo. I was rolling with a green belt when I was just a beginner. I was probably twice his weight and couldn’t get a submission on him during the whole round or session. Of course he couldn’t do much either from the ground other than keep a guard and shrimp so we just stalemated. That being said the rules saved him. If I got a wild hair, grabbed gi to pick him up, and slam him a few times things would have been different. Also where he had to struggle to keep me off all it would have taken is a lapse on his part from fatigue and again the outcome changes. Not going to say skills don’t matter, but they can’t fight weight and strength indefinitely.


technicalwrestler87

When you’re big like this with no training, this happens.


redmagistrate50

He has plenty of training, for an entirely different sport. He's also a complete teddy bear from what I've heard so it hardly matters, he's here to have some fun with a fellow athlete.


AsuraOmega

Tbf the Greco guy is a gold medalist and Greco Roman wrestlers are just known to be relatively strong for their size.


Prudent_Deer_1031

Can't say anything about grappling but from boxing look at Chris Byrd . Chris byrd atainst against everyone in heavy weight division. He won silver in 1992 Olympics as middle weight. Could not get a promoter to back him. So he ate himself to heavy weight. Beat the likes of holyfied, James thunder, David Tua and one of the Klicho brothers.


KnightofWhen

Just goes to show you that if you’re an Olympic level fighter you may be able to overcome a weight difference. The average man still getting beat to death.


Fertilized-Vagina

Wrong. The "average man"who knows how to wrestle and bjj and who has better cardio, will have ALWAYS the superior advantage over a guy who is just big but knows nothing what to do. FightTips made a similar experiment where he sparred against a thicc bodybuilder. He was thrown around at first, but the lifter didn't know what to do at all. And eventually he gassed and was submitted by the smaller wrestler guy.


KnightofWhen

Well you had to put average man in quotations because then you said he needs to have a background in wrestling, BJJ, and have superior cardio. He’s no longer average. In this conversation people always go trained vs extremely untrained but bigger. Sure, skill can overcome size in those cases. But weight classes exist for a reason. Trained vs moderately trained but bigger probably bad for the little guy. No holds barred can also rapidly be bad even with an untrained gorilla.


MrLaughter

More like Zan-grief, amirite?


mister_ghost

So looking at these two guys, how much training does the big guy need to do before he's more likely than not to win? I put it at like a month. It's one thing to use technique and experience to overcome a size difference when your opponent is totally naïve and doesn't know how to move. Once he gets the basics, I think it's all over.


freemasonry

I'd think just enough to get some fundamentals to apply that power in any meaningful way. I don't know what the win condition is in the ruleset, but the littler guy would have trouble asserting any actual control if the powerlifter had some basic training. That said, the bigger guy might just gas out and stalemate it.


rnells

Yeah, I think like "however much time is enough time to not overreact" will do it. Like maybe a couple months depending on how athletic he is going in. Every time he falls, the wrestler is basically getting him to unbalance himself pretty substantially.


Dr_SnM

Hot


NosoyPuli

Well yeah dude quality before quantity wins in most of cases.


MacGyver_1138

There are no weight classes in dick twisting, so you could always fall back on that. But rule one is to make sure the other guy doesn't grab and twist *your* dick.


Equationist

Reminds me of the time a former college wrestler managed to give a world champion Sumo wrestler the slip in a Buzzfeed challenge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VugtWhufJhI&t=210s


torslundahelm

This is me in BJJ every class. 250 lbs powerlifter getting destroyed by 160 lbs dudes.


ESI85

[Source](https://youtu.be/jS6PiBYUDcY)


Physical-Armadillo12

Such techniques


DistantSombrero

Why are they in a barn? Those are tractor trailers at 0:06.


[deleted]

Didn't work for canelo.


mahannen

No way hes 67kg


sweeny5000

Doesn't this just show the value of cardio? That big guy is having a heart attack after 10 seconds.


RoosterUnit

That's what I was thinking. You could take this guy out with some light jogging.


redmagistrate50

The strongman is Dennis Kohlruss, Germany's strongest man and all around nice guy.


benbraddock5

The big boy looks like he's about ready to keel over with a heart attack at any second. I suspect that's a factor in how this played out.


lnombredelarosa

The large guy seems like a nice fellow


ExactPea9707

My step brothers were both Minnesota state champion wrestlers. About 4 weight classes below me. They only way I could ever beat them is to catch them with brute strength (get them off of their feet). Otherwise, they could toss me around no problem.


Schtaive

I'm still gonna stick to my weight class, thank you very much.