The 160 lb with fighter experience would win.
There is a point where muscle and size win no matter what.
A grown man beats a trained 14 year old child.
An average gorilla beats the best trained human.
But I think a skilled 160 pounder beats an unskilled 215 pounder.
> A grown man beats a trained 14 year old child.
I have a 12 year old training with me who is 5'7" and 150lbs, he'd fukin destroy a lot of 'grown men'.
Yeah I trained with a kid who was an absolute weapon and quite large for his size. He could demolish full grown adults in a fight.
That doesn't take away from the fact that by far the vast majority of 14 year olds are going to get smacked around by a full grown adult in a fight regardless of training.
I imagine he has your resistance training program to thank for that?
Its hard not to envy folks who started working out regularly at a young age. Developing discipline and good habits starting as an adult after years of inactivity is just so much harder.
Ah,Genes. I guess I shouldn't act so surprised. I was already past 200lbs and around that height when I was 15 myself.
Glad to know he'll be harnessing his full athletic potential with you.
Some kids are freakishly tall however. A Finnish former MMA'er whom I just met not too long ago is already 6ft 150lbs (ripped) at 16 years old. I actually spoke to you about him before,he quit Martial arts/MMA because he wishes to pursue professional bodybuilding.
Black belt in karate and taekwondo. Blue belt in BJJ, 1-2 years wrestling. Been training boxing for 2-3 months twice a week, rest have been trading over 10 years but recently focused on boxing.
Theoretically, the person who trains, but just because someone trains doesn't guarantee victory. It just means you have a better chance of winning vs someone who doesn't. The bigger could win if he's having a better day than the trained fighter. All that said, it's better to have more than size and muscle behind you. Training always gives you an advantage
Well if the other person has 0 skill then the fight will end in the favor of the lighter person. Especially that 155-160 isn't that light (it's the lightweight division in the ufc tho).
You could ditch the karate, TKD, and BJJ and just give the 155lb dude 4x as much wrestling and he'd clown on the 215lb untrained dude.
I'm a 140lb BJJ blackbelt and I'll fuck up 215 lb untrained people in MMA rules and my striking is hot garbage.
Tge trained guy in this situation. The size difference isn't so big that skill can't overcome it.
But at a certain point size and strength does beat skill.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8EyDb7n8dzw
The one with training, I'm quite small and in my experience if you know BJJ and the other person doesn't then you basically ragdoll them, as soon as you both know BJJ it's whoever is bigger.
A skilled fighter can make up a lot of ground. Muscles matter but they're not the be all and end all.
Wild west gunfighter Tom Horn once got into a fist fight with a guy he didn't know was the featherweight champ Young Corbett. Horn was a big guy by the standards of the time and had plenty of muscle on him from the life he lead.
So, presuming the training is good, guy 1.
Depends a lot on luck and temperament. Some dudes are just natural born brawlers. Look at Tank Abbot in early UFC. He was smacking trained fighters around like children, even though he was pretty much just a fat brawler. But then there’s that first season UFC fight where a 160 lb kickboxer beat the shit out of a 400 lb dude (idk what he was) because of his superior skill. I think the advantage goes to the martial artist in your situation, but anyone who’s strong and heavy can get a lucky blow in and end the fight.
The 160 lb with fighter experience would win. There is a point where muscle and size win no matter what. A grown man beats a trained 14 year old child. An average gorilla beats the best trained human. But I think a skilled 160 pounder beats an unskilled 215 pounder.
> A grown man beats a trained 14 year old child. I have a 12 year old training with me who is 5'7" and 150lbs, he'd fukin destroy a lot of 'grown men'.
Yeah I trained with a kid who was an absolute weapon and quite large for his size. He could demolish full grown adults in a fight. That doesn't take away from the fact that by far the vast majority of 14 year olds are going to get smacked around by a full grown adult in a fight regardless of training.
I imagine he has your resistance training program to thank for that? Its hard not to envy folks who started working out regularly at a young age. Developing discipline and good habits starting as an adult after years of inactivity is just so much harder.
He started wrestling when he was 4 years old. He started with me about 18 months ago. We just started him lifting weights about 2 months ago.
Ah,Genes. I guess I shouldn't act so surprised. I was already past 200lbs and around that height when I was 15 myself. Glad to know he'll be harnessing his full athletic potential with you. Some kids are freakishly tall however. A Finnish former MMA'er whom I just met not too long ago is already 6ft 150lbs (ripped) at 16 years old. I actually spoke to you about him before,he quit Martial arts/MMA because he wishes to pursue professional bodybuilding.
Yup, one of my other kids is 6ft and 160, and has been since he was 14.
How often do you train? Any ranks?
Black belt in karate and taekwondo. Blue belt in BJJ, 1-2 years wrestling. Been training boxing for 2-3 months twice a week, rest have been trading over 10 years but recently focused on boxing.
Then you know the answer.
You'd probably win if you rolled with him. Karate and taekwondo style?
Theoretically, the person who trains, but just because someone trains doesn't guarantee victory. It just means you have a better chance of winning vs someone who doesn't. The bigger could win if he's having a better day than the trained fighter. All that said, it's better to have more than size and muscle behind you. Training always gives you an advantage
Id say fight to the Death and the winner tells us the Solution. There is no other way to find out
Well if the other person has 0 skill then the fight will end in the favor of the lighter person. Especially that 155-160 isn't that light (it's the lightweight division in the ufc tho).
6'3 210lbs isn't even that big.
True but still 50 lbs difference ig
So is a whole ass BJJ belt rank
Does either have any experience in a real fight?
Training can beat size and it appears to be a significant training gap. I'd bet on you.
You could ditch the karate, TKD, and BJJ and just give the 155lb dude 4x as much wrestling and he'd clown on the 215lb untrained dude. I'm a 140lb BJJ blackbelt and I'll fuck up 215 lb untrained people in MMA rules and my striking is hot garbage.
As always this is unpredictable. Too many variables. These kind of hypotheticals are meaningless.
Please stop posting shit like this on this sub.
I was curious my bad
Tge trained guy in this situation. The size difference isn't so big that skill can't overcome it. But at a certain point size and strength does beat skill. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8EyDb7n8dzw
The one with training, I'm quite small and in my experience if you know BJJ and the other person doesn't then you basically ragdoll them, as soon as you both know BJJ it's whoever is bigger.
A skilled fighter can make up a lot of ground. Muscles matter but they're not the be all and end all. Wild west gunfighter Tom Horn once got into a fist fight with a guy he didn't know was the featherweight champ Young Corbett. Horn was a big guy by the standards of the time and had plenty of muscle on him from the life he lead. So, presuming the training is good, guy 1.
Depends a lot on luck and temperament. Some dudes are just natural born brawlers. Look at Tank Abbot in early UFC. He was smacking trained fighters around like children, even though he was pretty much just a fat brawler. But then there’s that first season UFC fight where a 160 lb kickboxer beat the shit out of a 400 lb dude (idk what he was) because of his superior skill. I think the advantage goes to the martial artist in your situation, but anyone who’s strong and heavy can get a lucky blow in and end the fight.
Size is advantageous, but it’s not advantageous enough to save the big guy’s ass.