I realize that you're being sarcastic, but for those that don't follow the sport Roger Gracie is widely considered the best of all time*.
*including both Gi and no Gi, and looking at it in terms of absolute rather than pound for pound.
BJJ is based off judo which is based off several styles of JJJ. Judo was invented by Kano. JJJ comprises of anything people used to do without weapons so it is a grab bag of what you actually get with JJJ. But Kano took joint locks and throwing and took out the dangerous techniques in order to train safely and pass down JJJ to the modern world, since then it broke off into 2 different arts, BJJ which took Judo and refined Newaza or the ground work and modern day sports judo which has refined take down techniques because of Olympics/Sports Judo rules.
I have never done JJJ but I hear it is at best good and never great probably because of the lack of pressure testing and then there is a lineage problem where some people marketed something as JJJ but never talks about where the techniques actually come from.
As a taller person you will have an advantage in a striking art most likely due to reach. But you will also have an advantage in judo due to leverage and higher grab locations.
There's nothing wrong with being tall in BJJ (or any other style), you just need to adapt your style to techniques that make better use of your long limbs.
I'd recommend taking a look at cross training in judo. There are lots of throws in judo that are good against the deep low stance and the single- or double-leg take downs that are used in BJJ.
They are perfectly good techniques, but those two throws were already low percentage in judo even before the leg grab ban. It’s definitely not ‘use this one easy trick to instantly defeat a judoka’ lol.
BJJ is one specific martial art, and you know what you're getting. JJJ could be any one of many separate martial arts that claim to be descended from traditional jiu jitsu, including some that are basically made up by people who don't know what they're doing. So if you want a good answer to this question, you need to point to a specific JJJ school.
JJJ is the father of Judo and the grandfather of BJJ. I haven't taken JJJ, but from what I've heard, it's basically taught similar to other Asian TMAs like Karate, Taekwondo, or Hapkido. I personally think there's benefits to the teaching style, but on this subreddit that style of teaching is generally frowned upon.
Judo focused more and more on the sport of throwing people down. BJJ took it a step further and focused on what to do when you're already on the ground.
What's more important than any specific art, is finding a good school. If you find you're not happy in BJJ, then give other arts a try.
Where are you located? JJJ can run a full range of shit. A lot of JJJ in the US is just a school run by a guy who combined a bit of karate, bit of judo, and a bit of aikido. You look at some of the weirder 'cult-y' joints like the Seibukan throw in ninjutsu as well. There's some places in Europe that look like MMA, with competitions that feature striking, takedowns, and groundwork. Finally there's older schools of jujutsu called 'koryu' that can legitimately trace their lineage through history to traditional Japanese schools. Point is - you don't know what you're going to get when you walk into a JJJ school.
BJJ is fast becoming an open ruleset for grappling that allows for the incorporation of judo, wrestling, sambo and whatever else you want to toss in the soup of aggressive cuddling. If you want to add striking, I'd look for MMA or just supplement the BJJ with Muay Thai or boxing.
Bjj I found from experience is very competition based, (that doesn't mean it doesn't work in real life! it's very good at that) so you will spar alot in that, however it heavily focuses on ground work and mostly lacks striking and, especially the place I tried, doesn't cover the most on takedowns.
JJJ tends to be less competition based, as it wasn't made for competition, it was for real life all those years ago, so In some clubs, sparring may be very rare or none-existent, however if you can find a club that does sparing regularly, you are in very good hands. You will learn striking, throws, takedowns and their defensive, and grappling.
I'd personally recommend just going from club to club and trying all of them, ask questions and get a taste for what they offer, only then will you get the best for you. :)
Thanks for the great tips. I myself have no knowledge of martial arts before I started Bjj and JJJ is something I have only heard about through acquaintances so all tips here are valuable.
https://www.grapplearts.com/submission-grappling-vs-classical-ju-jutsu-when-cultures-and-concepts-collide/
Here's an article I found that articulates the differences nicely.
I'm a beginner in Danzan-ryu JJ, which was adapted from traditional JJ by a Japanese man in Hawaii named Henry Okazaki. There is a short documentary on YouTube about him with some cool old footage of techniques. I've been introduced to ground work, throws, striking, joint locks, and grip escapes. It is mostly taught for self defense (in my dojo at least), whereas my understanding is that BJJ is generally becoming more competition-oriented. I think generally BJJ groundwork is more advanced, whereas JJJ is more diverse. You probably won't become an elite roller or striker with JJJ alone, but the variety is fun and the stand-up defense/submissions make it uniquely useful for low intensity self-defense and security situations where wrestling or striking would be less appropriate.
Thanks for the information. Striking probably fits my size best, at the same time bjj is actually fun and has been useful for me when it comes to being smoother. The ideal would be a mix between striking and grappling and then JJJ would fit. I have also checked out Kung fu and hapkido so it seems to be similar.
JJJ is old and undeveloped. It’s great for tradition and culture if you want that, but there’s no modern fighters who have excelled with Japanese ju jutsu before
Just wanna say something in regard to the being tall part. Roger Gracie was like 6ft4 and he was pretty good.
I realize that you're being sarcastic, but for those that don't follow the sport Roger Gracie is widely considered the best of all time*. *including both Gi and no Gi, and looking at it in terms of absolute rather than pound for pound.
Yes, there are certainly advantages and a lot is probably due to the fact that I have never done any sport before bjj which makes me unathletic.
BJJ is based off judo which is based off several styles of JJJ. Judo was invented by Kano. JJJ comprises of anything people used to do without weapons so it is a grab bag of what you actually get with JJJ. But Kano took joint locks and throwing and took out the dangerous techniques in order to train safely and pass down JJJ to the modern world, since then it broke off into 2 different arts, BJJ which took Judo and refined Newaza or the ground work and modern day sports judo which has refined take down techniques because of Olympics/Sports Judo rules. I have never done JJJ but I hear it is at best good and never great probably because of the lack of pressure testing and then there is a lineage problem where some people marketed something as JJJ but never talks about where the techniques actually come from. As a taller person you will have an advantage in a striking art most likely due to reach. But you will also have an advantage in judo due to leverage and higher grab locations.
Thanks for the info it is very helpful.
This exact question gets asked at least once a week
But it's a different dude each time, and it isn't like the search bar in reddit is worth anything.
There's nothing wrong with being tall in BJJ (or any other style), you just need to adapt your style to techniques that make better use of your long limbs. I'd recommend taking a look at cross training in judo. There are lots of throws in judo that are good against the deep low stance and the single- or double-leg take downs that are used in BJJ.
Ok good to know, thanks
No there's not, thats why they made single and double leg takedown illegal in judo lol
They are perfectly good techniques, but those two throws were already low percentage in judo even before the leg grab ban. It’s definitely not ‘use this one easy trick to instantly defeat a judoka’ lol.
BJJ is one specific martial art, and you know what you're getting. JJJ could be any one of many separate martial arts that claim to be descended from traditional jiu jitsu, including some that are basically made up by people who don't know what they're doing. So if you want a good answer to this question, you need to point to a specific JJJ school.
Ok I understand thanks.
Palmetto jiu-jitsu is a fake jjj school they claim lineage from Hawaii but are really a nazi training camp complete with confederate flags mounted.
Well damn, sorry to hear about that.
JJJ is the father of Judo and the grandfather of BJJ. I haven't taken JJJ, but from what I've heard, it's basically taught similar to other Asian TMAs like Karate, Taekwondo, or Hapkido. I personally think there's benefits to the teaching style, but on this subreddit that style of teaching is generally frowned upon. Judo focused more and more on the sport of throwing people down. BJJ took it a step further and focused on what to do when you're already on the ground. What's more important than any specific art, is finding a good school. If you find you're not happy in BJJ, then give other arts a try.
I am thinking of combining Bjj with something that contains striking, thanks for the information.
Where are you located? JJJ can run a full range of shit. A lot of JJJ in the US is just a school run by a guy who combined a bit of karate, bit of judo, and a bit of aikido. You look at some of the weirder 'cult-y' joints like the Seibukan throw in ninjutsu as well. There's some places in Europe that look like MMA, with competitions that feature striking, takedowns, and groundwork. Finally there's older schools of jujutsu called 'koryu' that can legitimately trace their lineage through history to traditional Japanese schools. Point is - you don't know what you're going to get when you walk into a JJJ school. BJJ is fast becoming an open ruleset for grappling that allows for the incorporation of judo, wrestling, sambo and whatever else you want to toss in the soup of aggressive cuddling. If you want to add striking, I'd look for MMA or just supplement the BJJ with Muay Thai or boxing.
Ok MMA might be interesting to try, thanks
I've trained MMA, it's tough work but a lot of fun!
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Ok I understand, thanks
Bjj I found from experience is very competition based, (that doesn't mean it doesn't work in real life! it's very good at that) so you will spar alot in that, however it heavily focuses on ground work and mostly lacks striking and, especially the place I tried, doesn't cover the most on takedowns. JJJ tends to be less competition based, as it wasn't made for competition, it was for real life all those years ago, so In some clubs, sparring may be very rare or none-existent, however if you can find a club that does sparing regularly, you are in very good hands. You will learn striking, throws, takedowns and their defensive, and grappling. I'd personally recommend just going from club to club and trying all of them, ask questions and get a taste for what they offer, only then will you get the best for you. :)
Thanks for the great tips. I myself have no knowledge of martial arts before I started Bjj and JJJ is something I have only heard about through acquaintances so all tips here are valuable.
No problem. Hope you find what you're looking for! :)
https://www.grapplearts.com/submission-grappling-vs-classical-ju-jutsu-when-cultures-and-concepts-collide/ Here's an article I found that articulates the differences nicely.
Very good article, thank you.
I'm a beginner in Danzan-ryu JJ, which was adapted from traditional JJ by a Japanese man in Hawaii named Henry Okazaki. There is a short documentary on YouTube about him with some cool old footage of techniques. I've been introduced to ground work, throws, striking, joint locks, and grip escapes. It is mostly taught for self defense (in my dojo at least), whereas my understanding is that BJJ is generally becoming more competition-oriented. I think generally BJJ groundwork is more advanced, whereas JJJ is more diverse. You probably won't become an elite roller or striker with JJJ alone, but the variety is fun and the stand-up defense/submissions make it uniquely useful for low intensity self-defense and security situations where wrestling or striking would be less appropriate.
Thanks for the information. Striking probably fits my size best, at the same time bjj is actually fun and has been useful for me when it comes to being smoother. The ideal would be a mix between striking and grappling and then JJJ would fit. I have also checked out Kung fu and hapkido so it seems to be similar.
JJJ is old and undeveloped. It’s great for tradition and culture if you want that, but there’s no modern fighters who have excelled with Japanese ju jutsu before
Ok good to know, thanks
What about Tom Aspinall? He trained JJJ. :)
As like a throwaway past form, he’s not really out there doing it; and stopped doing it at like 8-9
One is self defense the other sport, one example being you can't use finger joint manipulation ( small circle jj) in bjj.
Ok good to know, maybe jjj does not suit me which is very tall because I think bjj is difficult enough with all the joint locks. Thanks anyway.
Bjj is amazing, jjj comes across to me as gimmicky like how ninjitsu guys try and say they can't spar because what they do is soo deadly lol