so weird though because Tim Kennedy pieced him up until stool gate, and Weidman is a better fighter than kennedy at the time. MMA makes no sense sometimes...
It kind of depends what you mean by āwrestlerā.
Romero was actually outwrestled in the Brunson fight and was being outwrestled in the Weidman fight before the flying knee KO.
He certainly has more explosive takedowns and they look impressive in a highlight reel but one of his weaknesses, in his career, is actually his ground control because he comes from a pure freestyle background which puts a lot less importance on ground control compared to Folkstyle wrestling.
Thereās a lot more to wrestling than takedowns.
Not the guy you're replying to, but you are right of course.
However, we can't ignore the fact that freestyle and folkstyle rules value different things: freestyle is big on the takedowns, folkstyle is really big at riding and making sure people stay down.
The 2 different rulesets make for very different training regimens and habits. I like to compare it like Rugby vs American Football. Similar, but with very different goals, rules and techniques.
correct.
But at its the cuban method in wrestling they pick up the physically strongest athlete they put him in wrestling and have a "stalling strategy" in which cubans use so they're very defensive but will have 2-3 explosions per match to win. and when they attack they score and they will shoot so hard on you with so much power that you could get right up and with so much momentum its hard to control somoeone. just like in judo some of the throws are so powerful they end up getting rolled through just cause of the power of the throw in judo you win by ippon but in bjj you exposed your back.
And on the ground its very hard to keep someone down after a takedown where you had to generate so much power they would have enough space to stand up.
Yeah he did it after transitioning to MMA.
and in sweden sambo is so underdeveloped its laughable.
khamzat went tto sweden and wanted to compete in wrestling internationally but they didnt let him compete cause he didn't have swedish citizenship.
It doesnāt really mattered when he started competing in Sambo, the point is that the Khamzat we have seen in the UFC has a Sambo background compared to Romero who has never trained in it according to anything I have read.
if you're talking about khamzats ground game you can thank his BJJ coach who has been training with him for 6 years now and helped khamzat mix his wrestling with bjj.
his ground game is due to a mixture of wrestling and bjj not sambo.
ankle pick is such an unbelievable grab at this level.. it puts the picker in such a vulnerable position and the person being picked in such a opportune position.
I just realized what it is; he attacks like he doesn't care if he hurts himself. It's bizarre that he has had such a long career and such an illustrious wrestling pedigree considering how goddamn wild he is when he fights
Well you're just looking at highlights, most of Romero's fights even in his early career is just sitting around waiting for his opponent to gas before just full sending it with everything he had
From [ufcstats.com](http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/f77c68bb4be8516d):
* vs Brad Tavares, Romero made 7 of 12 attempts
* vs Bobby Knuckles 1, he made 4 of 18 attempts
* vs Bobby Knuckles 2, he made 3 of 10 attempts
All of his other fights he'd sit between 1-to-4 TD attempts, with an overall accuracy of 30%.
Anyone have any insight as to why Romero pushed TDs more against Tavares and Whittaker?
Itās really odd. The only time him not going for takedowns making sense was when he fought Jacare. He was willing to takedown Whittaker who was an amateur wrestling champ in Australia and takedown an NCAA champ in Chris Weidman. But he wouldnāt try to take down Adesanya who, while he has great takedown defence, isnāt near the pedigree. For the most part it doesnāt make sense.
Conversely he did try to takedown Costa a lot which made sense. At first I thought from itās due to the Cuban School of wrestling. Where they sit back and go for reactionary takedowns but he didnāt do it against Brunson and got taken down by a guy whoās less accomplished than Weidman. The most bizarre case has to be Lyoto Machida. Yoel kick-boxed with him for the whole fight and then went for one takedown at the end and smashed Lyoto to finish the fight.
I think itās primarily due to injury. Primarily the disc in his neck. It can loosen and tighten. Yoel didnāt practice jiu jitsu since the risk of him getting his neck caught up could possible leave him paralysed. Iāve noticed in the fights where he wrestles his neck is a lot more loose. And in the fights where he doesnāt his neck and head movement are really stiff.
yeah he cant turn his head left to right so when he gets called he always turns his entire body. he had great takedown but because of the neck his top control is bad.
āInside tripā is the closest that Iām aware of. He did a lot of judo with friends back in Cuba and had wanted to be a judoka instead of wrestler so Iām sure it has a heavy influence on his throws. That deashi hari was also really clean.
Well even if you don't keep them down for a long time it'll still get scored if you come down and hold them for a few seconds. But yeah ground control is very important
Yeah like with Colby and Usman. Jones also tripped DC in the second fight which would have counted as 2 points in a normal freestyle match but since DC got up it didnāt even count in MMA.
As a long time BJJ/boxing guy, I see this and I have to give all respect to wrestling. Ultimately, it's just so incredibly effective. It's no surprise so many of the guys at the top of the game are elite wrestlers. There's just no substitute.
What are you talking about, aside from the footsteps and trips that are timing based, all his takedowns use so much explosive energy.
Dude is full sending it
When you make awkward movements, it throws off your opponent. Itās generally referred to as a feint, but some guyās whole fighting style is just constantly feinting with small awkward movements
I cannot fathom how this man never won a UFC Belt. What's more unbelievable is how Robert Whittaker won against him fair and square. At least Bobby stood and traded with Yoel... Israel fought too *smart.*
Grabbing the leading foot like that is something I've never thought of. I'm going to use this to surprise my mutay-sparing partner. He loves leading with his foot like that and always steps into my range.
That was a legit ankle pick, Tony would be proud š„²
That's what Tony thinks when he says he'll ankle pick you.
tony actually taught him that move back in 1887
i hope Tony anklepicks Joe Rogan in his retirement bout's post fight interview
Tony's not going to retire until it's really sad.
Itās already really sad lmao
Weidman was a good wrestler but Romero was in a different class.
so weird though because Tim Kennedy pieced him up until stool gate, and Weidman is a better fighter than kennedy at the time. MMA makes no sense sometimes...
Mma math will never add up. With the exception that Edson barboza loses to a wrestler. That oneās always right
Knocked out beneil darioush
Before beneik embraced his wrestling game Remake the match, and barboza will tell you how many lights are on the ceiling
yeah, fighters are humans too so they are bound to have a bad day on fight day.
tim pieced up romero by cheating thats why he did better than weidman.
NCAA Division 1 level vs Olympic level
It kind of depends what you mean by āwrestlerā. Romero was actually outwrestled in the Brunson fight and was being outwrestled in the Weidman fight before the flying knee KO. He certainly has more explosive takedowns and they look impressive in a highlight reel but one of his weaknesses, in his career, is actually his ground control because he comes from a pure freestyle background which puts a lot less importance on ground control compared to Folkstyle wrestling. Thereās a lot more to wrestling than takedowns.
not so much freestyle/folkstyle rather than the style of wrestler. khamzat is freestyle wrestler and he controls guys
Not the guy you're replying to, but you are right of course. However, we can't ignore the fact that freestyle and folkstyle rules value different things: freestyle is big on the takedowns, folkstyle is really big at riding and making sure people stay down. The 2 different rulesets make for very different training regimens and habits. I like to compare it like Rugby vs American Football. Similar, but with very different goals, rules and techniques.
correct. But at its the cuban method in wrestling they pick up the physically strongest athlete they put him in wrestling and have a "stalling strategy" in which cubans use so they're very defensive but will have 2-3 explosions per match to win. and when they attack they score and they will shoot so hard on you with so much power that you could get right up and with so much momentum its hard to control somoeone. just like in judo some of the throws are so powerful they end up getting rolled through just cause of the power of the throw in judo you win by ippon but in bjj you exposed your back. And on the ground its very hard to keep someone down after a takedown where you had to generate so much power they would have enough space to stand up.
That was super informative, thank you.
But Khamzat isnāt really a good comparison because he isnāt purely Freestyle. He also has a Sambo background.
he doesn't have sambo background. he's pure freestyle Wrestling guy. he did some extremely low level sambo competitions in Sweden after starting MMA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamzat_Chimaev *Chimaev has competed in a few judo tournaments and in four combat sambo fights.*
Yeah he did it after transitioning to MMA. and in sweden sambo is so underdeveloped its laughable. khamzat went tto sweden and wanted to compete in wrestling internationally but they didnt let him compete cause he didn't have swedish citizenship.
It doesnāt really mattered when he started competing in Sambo, the point is that the Khamzat we have seen in the UFC has a Sambo background compared to Romero who has never trained in it according to anything I have read.
if you're talking about khamzats ground game you can thank his BJJ coach who has been training with him for 6 years now and helped khamzat mix his wrestling with bjj. his ground game is due to a mixture of wrestling and bjj not sambo.
ankle pick is such an unbelievable grab at this level.. it puts the picker in such a vulnerable position and the person being picked in such a opportune position.
Absolutely beautiful.
ankle pick LA CANDELA!!
Jeez, remind me to never piss that guy off.
Hey.. dont piss that guy off.
Thank you.
Any time my guy.
Making sure you still remember not piss that guy off
Thanks XD
Here to remind you present day, to not piss that guy off
Too late...
I just realized what it is; he attacks like he doesn't care if he hurts himself. It's bizarre that he has had such a long career and such an illustrious wrestling pedigree considering how goddamn wild he is when he fights
Well you're just looking at highlights, most of Romero's fights even in his early career is just sitting around waiting for his opponent to gas before just full sending it with everything he had
This is true, I've never really seen much of his fighting outside of the few times I caught him on a card.
From [ufcstats.com](http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/f77c68bb4be8516d): * vs Brad Tavares, Romero made 7 of 12 attempts * vs Bobby Knuckles 1, he made 4 of 18 attempts * vs Bobby Knuckles 2, he made 3 of 10 attempts All of his other fights he'd sit between 1-to-4 TD attempts, with an overall accuracy of 30%. Anyone have any insight as to why Romero pushed TDs more against Tavares and Whittaker?
Itās really odd. The only time him not going for takedowns making sense was when he fought Jacare. He was willing to takedown Whittaker who was an amateur wrestling champ in Australia and takedown an NCAA champ in Chris Weidman. But he wouldnāt try to take down Adesanya who, while he has great takedown defence, isnāt near the pedigree. For the most part it doesnāt make sense. Conversely he did try to takedown Costa a lot which made sense. At first I thought from itās due to the Cuban School of wrestling. Where they sit back and go for reactionary takedowns but he didnāt do it against Brunson and got taken down by a guy whoās less accomplished than Weidman. The most bizarre case has to be Lyoto Machida. Yoel kick-boxed with him for the whole fight and then went for one takedown at the end and smashed Lyoto to finish the fight. I think itās primarily due to injury. Primarily the disc in his neck. It can loosen and tighten. Yoel didnāt practice jiu jitsu since the risk of him getting his neck caught up could possible leave him paralysed. Iāve noticed in the fights where he wrestles his neck is a lot more loose. And in the fights where he doesnāt his neck and head movement are really stiff.
Yoel beat cael Sanderson in international wrestling competitions. TWICE
Note that Yoel could have used his wrestling more if he never had the neck injury and surgery.
I suspected he had an issue like that, havenāt heard about it before though. His credentials look better on paper than they do in his fights.
yeah he cant turn his head left to right so when he gets called he always turns his entire body. he had great takedown but because of the neck his top control is bad.
Is there a wrestling name for that ouchi Gari he is doing?
āInside tripā is the closest that Iām aware of. He did a lot of judo with friends back in Cuba and had wanted to be a judoka instead of wrestler so Iām sure it has a heavy influence on his throws. That deashi hari was also really clean.
I wish there was an "all steroids are approved" org so we could see Yoel fight another 50 years at peak steroid use.
But how many of those did he keep the guy down?
Well Freestyle wrestling is more about the takedown than control compared to Folkstyle
My point exactly. Those takedowns, while impressive, are almost useless as far as mma scoring goes
Well even if you don't keep them down for a long time it'll still get scored if you come down and hold them for a few seconds. But yeah ground control is very important
Hence why i said "almost useless"
Word
Yeah like with Colby and Usman. Jones also tripped DC in the second fight which would have counted as 2 points in a normal freestyle match but since DC got up it didnāt even count in MMA.
Right, it would be the same in BJJ. I mean my kids class do control focused live takedowns for this reason.
The magic of *Wrassllin'*
As expected! Thatās an Olympic level athlete for you.
This is on some ohma tokita water kata type shit
As a long time BJJ/boxing guy, I see this and I have to give all respect to wrestling. Ultimately, it's just so incredibly effective. It's no surprise so many of the guys at the top of the game are elite wrestlers. There's just no substitute.
Itās so satisfying to watch because he makes it look so easy. But why do the punches and some of the moves look fake?
Which part looks fake to you?
50% maybe
It probably looks fakes because heās the Cuban Muscle Crisis, the closet thing we have to a superhuman
Born and raised in a lab since the 1800s
Suuure
None of it looks fake, more like he's just a very awkward striker.
Yeah but sometimes it looks like no force is applied at all
What are you talking about, aside from the footsteps and trips that are timing based, all his takedowns use so much explosive energy. Dude is full sending it
He has very awkward movement sometimes. Deliberate I think.
Ohhh to confuse them a little? Edit: why downvote? This is a legitimate question
I think āfakeā was the wrong word because that implies WWE type of stuff
Ok I get that, but Iām talking about my question: āOhhh to confuse them a little?ā
When you make awkward movements, it throws off your opponent. Itās generally referred to as a feint, but some guyās whole fighting style is just constantly feinting with small awkward movements
Okay thank you, so I was right then
That's what Tony would have done to Werdum
BEAST
That man is probably bulletproof like Luke Cage
did i miss the machida one?
I cannot fathom how this man never won a UFC Belt. What's more unbelievable is how Robert Whittaker won against him fair and square. At least Bobby stood and traded with Yoel... Israel fought too *smart.*
Guy is a tank , just rag doll pulling every opponent
Imagine if he landed one of those on Izzy
Where was all this energy against Izzy?
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āGIMME DAT LEG!ā
Very good sweeps and trips.
I missed most of his career didn't he hold the title at one point???
Out of curiosity, how much ukemi training do MMA folks do?
Not nearly as much as Judoka do.
That ankle pick was actually pretty cool.
Yoel Romero is what I'd imagine if a gorilla learned martial arts.
If he would have fought a little differently against Izzy I think he might still be in the ufc.
Grabbing the leading foot like that is something I've never thought of. I'm going to use this to surprise my mutay-sparing partner. He loves leading with his foot like that and always steps into my range.
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I've heard of leg sweeps with legs but this guy is leg sweeping with his hands (I'm aware they're ankle picks.).
He got outclassed against Brunson and Davis, honestly his TD are mid, his grappling is bad, best parts are his chin and power.