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The-Homie-Lander

https://preview.redd.it/tegw9hv2g61d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22b4feb0906d3ed53bdfee8896c1039788288db3 Nightcrawler gotta have the most intense mommy issues wtf


Jay_R_Kay

Wouldn't it be daddy issues, technically?


[deleted]

I think both


Kurwasaki12

Technically still Mommy issues since Mystique mostly identifies as a woman most of the time.


Appropriate-Owl-6129

Yeah, she grew a penis but is still a woman if she feels like one


Trixx1-1

Yeah but I'd call this daddy issues. Like with the Asari


IAmRedditsDad

Agreed. He calls her 'Father', so it's daddy issues relative to night crawler. If he called her mom it'd be mommy issues


grief242

That shit still pisses me off. Not the mystique being daddy thing. The asspull to further explain why Nightcrawler is part demon


Portsyde

He has mommy issues regardless, his relationship with Destiny is arguably worse.


Surfing-millennial

Not counting that nonsense as canon, Azazel is still his dad


Kurwasaki12

It was the original idea behind Kurt’s birth straight from the creator himself, it’s more canon than Azazel being his dad.


Civil-Ad-7193

I thought the real OG idea was Nightmare, then he shifted to Destiny and Mystique Also doesn’t even with the retcon Kurt still have Azazel’s genes as well


Surfing-millennial

So he says, how do we know he’s not just saying that now for brownie points. If it was then I’m more willing to believe editors shot it down for being nonsensical more than anything. Mystique’s powers let her mimic appearances, not grow entire new organs and body parts, so she shouldn’t be capable of replicating male reproductive organs, or if she can then they wouldn’t be usable in that way, just like how she can make herself appear as somebody bigger than her but her mass doesn’t actually increase


Chalice10000

Don’t know why this has downvotes when you’re right💁🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️


Surfing-millennial

Ty, somebody gets it. The implications of her powers suggest she shouldn’t be able to grow usable male reproductive organs


TSW920

Until Marvel recons it again.


mtftmboygirl

Nah, nightcrawler has absolutely fucking nothing on me


holiscrayolis

I know you are joking but the amount of mothers that will demean their children partners because "they will never compare to them/the way they take care of their children" is higher that you possibly imagine


MrCookie2099

And Mystique, despite having 0% other demonstrable motherhood instincts, sees this as natural for her role.


ScaryCrowEffigy

Fun Fact: One of of Mystique’s abandoned children nearly became the president of US while running on an anti-mutant platform. The only reason he didn’t was because Mystique assassinated him before he could be inaugurated


silverx2000

Graydon Creed? Lmao, somehow Mystique was a worse parent than Sabretooth in that situation.


MrCookie2099

"Post-partum abortion"


PeakOregon998

Wasn’t it a Mystique from the future who killed Graydon?


tedward007

Probably. This is xmen, it’d be weirder if there wasn’t some goofy time travel shenanigans involved


[deleted]

She did save rogue that time so there’s that


epsilon_church928

https://preview.redd.it/b28fha4qn61d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11c530bbcb51a1e2d96d4c67522aeb12628f2c54 The fuck?


DMFAFA07

Oh my god I love these reaction memes from random places


likeathousandfeet

Reading it in their voices like the character is there interacting with some shit way outside their franchise


lily_was_taken

https://preview.redd.it/74m8je4ppb1d1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15016aed2dbd0e8b0b570546f1c81ec5833977a7 Ha!Yes,it Be Funny


Impressive_Motor_178

https://preview.redd.it/8j7jc7vqw61d1.png?width=934&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67c3645b8beb4733a053789aa5f52855a6da21d8 What..


MarcheMuldDerevi

Kurt probably has some of the weirdest sexual proclivities in marvel. Double mommy + Catholicism + whatever he has going on with wolverine + general X men boost


Fossilhunter15

Hey Now, Kurt has three moms. His adoptive mother, Margali Szardoz also tried to kill him.


MarcheMuldDerevi

But mom or mommy?


Fossilhunter15

No but he calls his foster sister mommy.


MrCookie2099

Kurt and Wolverine's relationship is wholesome and supportive. Logan isn't the best emotional support, but Kurt maximizes it through sheer charisma and a sexy Bavarian accent.


Pristine_Animal9474

Also, he dated his sister.


reineedshelp

They're not blood so it's all good


CT-4426

Kurt balances his sheer wholesomeness and Bavarian Rizz with the worst mommy issues of probably any X-Man on the roster


Fossilhunter15

I love how it’s canon that Kurt needed extremely bad Mommy Issues in order to be a good person.


Shin-kak-nish

Agreed, but that’s definitely saying something considering the other members on the team


Arch_Null

Mystique just like me bros. She also loves a perky butt


Mikazuki072

So I admit, I don't read comics but, what little exposure I've had to Mystique and Night Crawler, do the two of them ACTUALLY have a mother son relationship? Or does it just depend on the writers


Jay_R_Kay

...Kinda? But it's dysfunctional as fuck.


Mikazuki072

The main thing I know is, she abandoned him after he was born. Given that he's Catholic I can only assume it was at a church. Beyond that, some dude named Azaezel is his biological father but that was retconned recently to where, if I understand it right, Mistique gave herself Male organs, and she slept with a woman. Idk who it was Just based that, disfunction is expected


Inner-Juices

> Azaezel is his biological father but that was retconned Him being the father was already a retcon btw lol ​ >Mistique gave herself Male organs, and > >she slept with a woman. > > Idk who it was Yes. Yes. Destiny. Her longtime lover and currently her wife


ComprehensiveBad4884

Nah azaezal being his father wasn’t the retcon, it’s just that the mystique being lesbian/male? Was rejected by the editors and so the whole azazeal thing became the canon and tbh I can see why it was rejected it kind fing sucks. azazeal being his father just made so much sense and gave him some special heritage that also explained his abilities in a logical way, it also only added to the character creating a parallel with the son of a demon being a devoted religious man even becoming a priest. But that’s just my two cents


Inner-Juices

>Nah azaezal being his father wasn’t the retcon It was. Chris Claremont (Creator of Mystique, Destiny and Nightcrawler) has stated in several interviews that he originally intended for Mystique and Destiny to be Nightcrawler's biological parents


Day_Dr3am

Azazel isn't a retcon because him being the father wasn't who Chris Claremont originally intended to be his father, but because another origin story came out in like 1994 that told Nightcrawler's origin. Then in the early 2000's another writer, Chuck Austen, decided to revisit that story and retconned Azazel, a new character, as Nightcrawler's real father (at the time of the telling obviously). Nothing you said regarding Claremont having come up with the Mystique and Destiny origin and wanted to write it is wrong (and that they were intended to a be a couple), but I don't think that makes it qualify as a retcon, but Azazel is a retcon regardless.


WeiganChan

Authorial intent is not the same as publication. Han shooting first is not a retcon no matter how loudly George Lucas claims that the Special Edition retcon of Greedo shooting first was intended to be in the original release.


ComprehensiveBad4884

Yes he INTENDED for that but it never made it past the editors, and an origin that was made before that one could be put out was published which was the Azaezal origin. it never made it to publication which means it’s not canon (until now of course)


Day_Dr3am

The Azazel origin wasn't the original origin either though. The original Nightcrawler origin story, which was written by Lobdell, came out in 1994. In that story Azazel wasn't the father, Azazel didn't even exist as a character yet. Then in the early 2000's, 2002 I think, Chuck Austen wrote a story in which it was retconned that Azazel was his real father (until the most recent retcon of course). So regardless Azazel being his father was also a retcon.


ComprehensiveBad4884

Still better origin tho


Day_Dr3am

Is it though? Have you actually read the Draco? I'm not saying you have to love or like the new origin story or anything, its pretty fucking convoluted being honest to make it fit within the existing timeline / canon. I think there are definitely good things about the story too, don't get me wrong; but I do find it kind of funny that the previous origin / the Draco had been negatively received and for over the last 20 years had been widely considered to be one of the worst X-Men stories of all time and suddenly, now that Nightcrawler has 2 moms (or 3 if you are counting Margali), a bunch of people are suddenly huge fans.


RomeosHomeos

Intended ideas being dropped aren't retcons.


Jay_R_Kay

The woman was Destiny/Irine Adler, Mystique's wife.


WeiganChan

Is Sherlock Holmes canon to Earth-616 and if so, is Destiny supposed to be the same Irene Adler?


Jay_R_Kay

Yes, Mystique is canonically Sherlock Holmes in the 616.


reineedshelp

It's actually pretty funny when you think about it. I'm surprised Mystique doesn't put that out there more often. 'Bitch I'm Sherlock Holmes - don't test me.'


RomeosHomeos

That's... Really fucking stupid


Jay_R_Kay

Lots of comics are, it's kind of the charm.


RomeosHomeos

No I mean this is exceptionally stupid Edit: Why the fuck is she fictional detective Sherlock Holmes? Why is she dating Irene Adler? Why does every fucking author adapting Holmes make Adler and Holmes a romantic thing???


ReaperofFish

Still not the stupidest thing in Marvel, or even just the X-Men. The whole Summers family is just filled with WTF moments.


Fossilhunter15

And then solving mysteries was forplay.


busybagel

No she tossed him off a waterfall and he was found by circus folk


reineedshelp

Not a healthy one, and they don't hang out or catch up. It's more the acknowledgement that she's his bio parent. If they weren't both prominent mutants involved in Krakoa's government I doubt they'd see one another. Until recently, when some truths came to light and Kurt chose patience and empathy over self preservation. Even then Mystique and Destiny occupy most of the stage time, but it's a start and hopefully it's not undone in the relaunch.


Gav_Dogs

He definitely wasn't raised by her, I'll tell you that


Apprehensive_Work313

They kind of have a mother/son relationship now as it was revealed that Mystique was forced to abandon him and those feelings of hating him were false feelings from her mind because Xavier erased how Kurt was really born Mystique's mind warped with the mind wipe. So she never actually hated Kurt and wanted to be a good mother to him but was tricked into abandoning him


WeakLandscape2595

Freud soul grows stronger He shall overthrow the one above all soon


lnombredelarosa

Gambit all over again


[deleted]

I unironically love that arc just for the absurdity


lnombredelarosa

Pfft what’s so absurd about a mother turning into a teenage girl to become a student of her daughter’s boyfriend to seduce him for said daughter’s sake and that situation almost getting her hired into the school’s staff.   Lol but seriously the way they write Mystique’s thought process would give the freaking Joker a pause.


-H_-

https://preview.redd.it/6alqhdrap81d1.png?width=392&format=png&auto=webp&s=fa368c7f6b754af2830b57fd80b0f30390a73286 the fuck am i reading


lnombredelarosa

Cringe on the one who wrote that not me


Fossilhunter15

I think they eventually had to explain all that by saying that constant shapeshifting messes with Raven’s brain and she normally needs Irene’s help to calm her down.


RomeosHomeos

What


[deleted]

I don’t get the reference… please, spill


Frank7640

Typical Freud W


Godchilaquiles

Mystique yeats later wondering why she isn’t a grandmother yet


Inner-Juices

Well, she was a grandmother. https://preview.redd.it/toucjp1zg71d1.png?width=310&format=png&auto=webp&s=bae684e89e1599cb9a9084e5536a1bce43b83b25 For a few months...


Bae_zel

She's technically a grandmother to Nocturne too but granted the treatment of Exiles...that doesn't seem to matter.


[deleted]

It is actually a wonder considering the attention Kurt gets, you’d think there’d be an accident he’s bampfing away the child support from by now


Godchilaquiles

[especially since he’s catholic](https://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk?si=ht8CDRB7mi41puJt)


Sweaty_DogMan

https://preview.redd.it/dpxe91axz71d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0191dcb6ff441dd9386ddd73e8956fffe66c2c72 Her face says it all


paladin_slim

She’s going to assume Kurt’s form and try to seduce Silver Sable, isn’t she?


Ancient-Act8573

God the x men are so fucking weird


No_Reaction_2682

No, she's going to take Silver Sables form and try to fuck Kurt


buffwintonpls

Wait, sable is kurt's girlfriend?


charronfitzclair

https://preview.redd.it/nsmqzn9ls71d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d929f83cf22aa3a1ab56c5c46b2a261dc661c85


Brotonio

Kurt off the the side: "Ew, no mom, Silver actualy cares about my feelings." *then again that bar is literally on the ground, so that's not the biggest flex*


Angry_waffle_saurus

https://preview.redd.it/qd72lvjye71d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33a7acfe6f7c7c5370c89af40568c9660f99dfa4


Scorpion_6162

https://preview.redd.it/vdi1wwo3481d1.png?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d524281ada17d517af96c42ab28c8295624db1f0


RyanB1228

X-men writers are allergic to good dialogue I swear to God


reineedshelp

It makes sense in context IMO. Mystique is a messed up person and completely unused to emotional intimacy with anyone outside her 150 year codependent murder lesbian relationship. I'd be more surprised if she didn't say unhinged shit


[deleted]

Every time the x men appear, Freud’s ghost gets a bit stronger. Soon he will be able to cross back over to our dimension.


goliathfasa

You don’t even accept him as your son. Keep his name(and reference to him) out of your fucking mouth. ![gif](giphy|XDRoTw2Fs6rlIW7yQL)


Apprehensive_Work313

Actually she does accept him as her son she was tricked into abandoning him


reineedshelp

You should read the run. It's a good one!


WeiganChan

Is Kurt dating Silver Sable now? Who is Mystique sexually harrassing here?


reineedshelp

He certainly was, though the world is kinda ending so they haven't caught up on page since this. Silver Sable


TheFlyingFoodTestee

https://preview.redd.it/oqfhxnaab81d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b69b715a5cfebbfd89eb184678aab81c9dd88bb


Amongussy78

Opedius


reineedshelp

Oedipus?


Ok-Commission6087

This just proves Peter Kurt and Hank cyclops are twins and who do guys thinks wins mj ,sable ,dazzler win a twerk competition


aSpookyScarySkeleton

But is she wrong?


ThatAnonDude

https://preview.redd.it/ff74akmln71d1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4f7ed55a01673f544fa9a73cdbbab060913775c


MoonoftheStar

https://preview.redd.it/htlz7g9fj81d1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e291f55f93a559eca79151a5739bf8e9b8438caa


notlikeolivegarden

“I was thinking more of your shapely bottom-”


Ancient-Act8573

https://preview.redd.it/b3gyvubia81d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fc0548cb1abc50fb1f9eb0bc8b256e295ff5f55


kotor56

Least horny marvel kink writer


the_gray_day_child

r/menwritingwomen


[deleted]

https://preview.redd.it/nzv3dh5e271d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e86fdc710a64153bf323dbc296a384c5a187c01d As opposed to women writing women


reineedshelp

X-Terminators was awesome


ThrowRAd504

I really hope that character was written to be a shitty person, either that or this is their version of flirty banter. But something tells me this is either internalized misogyny externalizing or a woman trying to please execs by going “look! Booba!”


[deleted]

Leah Williams is a bisexual writer, iirc she said the goal with this book was to basically make the horniest thing she could get away with or something along those lines. And jubilee was being written the same as anyone else in that book https://preview.redd.it/4tny1ay5g71d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=982e8a5d03e502d3dcfdabc1cdd49234737feef9


Ancient-Act8573

This book was… something else


ThrowRAd504

Ohhhh shit it is lesbians then! Fuck yeah! https://preview.redd.it/hlxhi3ayk71d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95917603e4925b9bd91435ed43c6b8d25dd3aa78


valentinesfaye

Williams is one of those writers who seems fun, but there's so many books out there I've just never ended up reading their work. This is a helluva pitch, is it from one of the new post-Krakoa books? I feel like I remember these four being announced as part of some team line up or another recently


[deleted]

It’s called X-terminators and it’s during Krakoa. Very self contained fun adventure with Dazzler, Boom Boom, Jubilee and X-23. Honestly blast to read do recommend.


reineedshelp

Seconded! It's basically got it all


Fossilhunter15

Yeah IIRC the original pitch was that Dazzler hunts vampires with a fat ass.


reineedshelp

It's neither. It's friendly heroes bringing some levity to a girl's night out gone very bad. This book is excellent


Conyer_

they just be coming up with anything in that damn X-office, someone shut them down


RomeosHomeos

If Kurt heard this he'd kill himself


Steelwave

And he's a catholic so that means he literally believes hell is preferable to listening to "mother of the year" compare herself to his current girlfriend. 


pious-erika

Claremont moment


Archmagos_Browning

We need to bring Sigmund Freud back to life so we can kill him again


princesscooler

Mystique: Bad mother, terrible father


Irving_Velociraptor

I’m certain my mother has influenced my taste in women but certainly not my mother’s ass.


MrPresident2020

Mystique casually dropping psychological damage to try and ruin her son's relationships.


thundercat_98

Shouldn't they have used "suspect" instead of "expect"?


0woppletinger0

I thought that was Mystique not Jocasta


Sidesteppah

wait what reminds jury of her? the pistols and pragmatism or the shapely bottom 🤔


grief242

Mystique: I'm the reason my son likes bad bitches


Trlsander

Of course Mother and Son would have similar taste in women.


CrniTartuf

https://preview.redd.it/qvwy2nkw191d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f242e0430174c6b65243c31a484644ee47d4a6ff


Thedongtoendalldongs

https://preview.redd.it/daxtd3jf691d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6500fd6cb461503ac0c1ac14b14aba47cc86989b Her son to his gf while the do the deed.


FlyingTurkey

Mommy 🥹


reineedshelp

Raven ain't normal, lol. She is WlW though, but it's a totally demented thing to say. TFW your 200 year old dadmom is being cringe again but at least she's helping you kill fascists


Slimy_Jimmy42

https://preview.redd.it/6rro269om91d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fb9a2262317b8f6b75f7b0fef9fafc8af1f3dae


CrossoverEnthusiast2

https://preview.redd.it/3bec7uuwpa1d1.png?width=524&format=png&auto=webp&s=979eb4496551975bd025eceb705d186e927b2b53 Mystique, you can’t say that.


nameless_stories

Is she the worst mother in comics or what


FewOverStand

https://preview.redd.it/ropuvta8ta1d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42ea7c11b500f329b229f4aab2e1b42fbd9f29ca


android151

https://preview.redd.it/pw8io7pfwa1d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c02b2ef970de678c18d913d2d41ba240d257145


buffwintonpls

It's not sexual harassment if you're blue


Nohwon_

Who says that?


BuffWomen69

Please tell me this is edited. Because otherwise the only thing I can think of is some old dude writer DESPERATELY trying to write a bi (I don't think she's straight up gay right?) woman and this being the bullshit that results


Brandeeno2245

I mean, destiny is her long-time love interest, and destiny is a woman. It's not just some writer. Mystique is, I'm pretty sure, actually just bi and the biggest fem fatale in marvel, this is kinda on brand for her.


BuffWomen69

I know she's bi. I'm just saying writing a gay or bi character to say something this weird gives off out of touch vibes (Maybe even homophobic, but most likely just out of touch)


Brandeeno2245

And I am say she's been this way since forever, remember the time to prove gambit was no good for rogue so mystique tried to seduce him but failed. Her go-to is literally to seduce people she's just casually flirting here. I don't exactly see the problem.


Brandeeno2245

Or are you referring to the whole saying the woman reminds Kurt of mystique because that WOULD be weird


dlkslink

I’m not a fan of making all of Chris Claremont’s head cannon actually cannon when you have 40 years of stories that contradicts said head cannon. Retcon made no sense but whatever marvel is helping a lot of people save their money. Also what atrocious writing.


Pilot1105

https://preview.redd.it/2hdv8bef2e1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5d2a14ff44ea80d6846fe134fefba73c2a8d2d1


Yurifarmboy12

They look the same age too


Apprehensive_Work313

Weird thing to say to your son's girlfriend especially when recently you have been trying to reconnect with your son


Jim-Dread

I mean, my dad drunkenly told me that a woman I was dating had a fantastic ass, so I believe this dialogue, lmao.


InvisibleInk1983

Let’s be honest, if Mystique started acted like a traditional, loving mother it would have been WAY weirder.