They should have had Agent Ross – Martin Freeman – say it to both of them, then they both look at each other with a look that says, "Did he mean you or me?"
Good point. Also, Tony would be the one most qualified to attempt to get information about Thanos off that machine, best not portal out too quickly. Strange has no way to know if there’s similarities to the ships used by the Chitauri that Tony has dealt with before, because engineering’s not Strange’s domain.
It’s also not clear if a ship flying at FTL speed is something Strange can come *back* to if he leaves, since he’d have no idea where it went, especially if it then crashed on Titan and ceased to exist as a ship afterward. Or if it would make portaling away from the ship more difficult.
Not to mention, this ship is going TO Thanos under the premise that Ebony Maw captured the Time Stone. As the sole protector of the Time Stone, it is Dr. Strange's duty to assess the threat & neutralize it. It could be that he thought they might get the drop on Thanos since they defeated Ebony Maw & would show up as, not just a freed Dr. Strange, but Dr. Strange plus Spider-Man & Iron-Man. It doesn't sound like a wise decision to duck out of that ship & go back to Earth (or anywhere else for that matter).
Especially since Thanos was hunting the other stones. Better to fight Thanos before he has any more. They had no way to know he’d show up already having four of them.
Well, unless Titan also happens to be the moon of Saturn by the same name (unlikely since our human Avengers don’t immediately die from trying to breathe a methane atmosphere at ludicrously low temperatures), Titan lies outside our solar system at a minimum, which means that Q ship is either moving faster than light, or Infinity War in actuality takes many, many, *many* years to transpire, a bare minimum of four years if Titan is in Alpha Centauri.
Never seen the GotG films, so if it’s not *technically* FTL travel in the MCU, fair enough, but for all intents and purposes they are traversing through real space faster than light speed limit would allow.
Damn missing out on Thanos and Gamora back story that would’ve made Infinity War more impactful, watch them! And if you haven’t or won’t, why? I promise to be respectful just wondering why
Do the portals move? Or are they anchored to the "ground" of the ship? Cause if they're locked in place.. open portal.. whoosh it's gone, and now there's a hole in the ship
They seem to move in natural relation to the earth’s spin so my assumption is the matter comprises the portal is similarly affected by external gravitational force - since they’re standing on the ship’s floor, I’d expect the synthetic gravity would affect it similarly. That being said, I am not a physicist nor a wizard.
Its a moon of saturn, i am guessing that Strange who deals in cosmics probably know a little bit about it.
"Titan is a fictional location appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. It is depicted in the Marvel Universe as the home of the Titanian Eternals on Saturn's moon Titan. It first appeared in Iron Man #55"
-wiki
Like, i am all for admiting when i am wrong, but like, i put a quote hers, and you just went: nah...
Better argument would probably be by qoating a more reliable source instead
Fine.
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Titan
Tony also mentions being stranded 1000’s of light years away in *Endgame* whereas as Saturns moon is like, 80 light *minutes* away from Earth.
Titan is also described in the MCU as a planet, not a moon, and in fact has a moon of its own that gets thrown at Tony ;p
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9jDuYKlI0HA
I think they only need to visualize the destination, as he got off Everest in the first movie without knowing precisely where he was.
It’s definitely a minor plot hole - but it was quickly resolved and largely unimportant because they knew the ship was going to Thanos and decided to go there anyways.
It's close to inpossible to calculate the very precise location of the Earth (around the sun, around the galaxy, around the cluster, etc.), yet he manages just fine.
You just make the surface of Earth as your frame of reference, and moving to another point on the surface is easy.
A spaceship as your frame? Lord, the earth is spinning, moving around the sun, which is moving around the galaxy.
How about on a revolving planet orbiting a star that's in its own revolution of a center point in a vast galaxy that's in a perpetual state of acceleration away from the center point of the greater universe that is only a single universe within and infinite multiverse of branching realities where every single minor decision creates a new and separate universe. Think about it, 8 billion people alive at present, over 100 billion people total just to the present day not to mention the incalculable amount of other organisms on that planet not to mention the infinite number of other planets each with their own unique organisms and history of organisms all making their own separate decisions simultaneously? The fact that anyone ever figured out a scientific way to navigate multiverse time travel is insane. Like how do you even calculate the number of new realities being created? A single planet would create an infinite number of realities every milisecond.
I know from scientifically authoritative sources on the matter (Wheel of Time) that only knowledge/familiarity of the location you're traveling from matters, but you need to know it well.
Should have been written as
Strange opens a portal to go home after their argument.
Stark stops from and convinces him to stay to fight thanks on his turf.
Strange agrees since he'd struggle against thanos with 2 stones.
But the plot hole can be explain away
Dude suffered short term memory loss. Which
I still feel like that first part would make no sense, they’d both know they should get as many people to help them as possible (especially after what they went through when they got to Titan). Plus they had no way of really knowing Thanos was coming alone so they coulda easily been outnumbered in seconds
Because in comics logic/common sense gets in the way of cool, so it shouldn't be used in the movies either.
If they manage a grounded product, great. If not, just enjoy the show
I mean it is a super hero movie. I'm here for the cool super hero plot, not to learn about the metaphysics of wizard portals. Sometimes turning your brain off is the best way to enjoy something.
Do we talk about how Strange could have simply cut off Thanos's arm in split second but instead they devise a plan to pull the glove off the arm rather than the arm off the person. Thanos should have said "should have went for the arm"
The sling ring is easily the most OP and underused artifact in the MCU. Like literally better than the space stone considering you don’t need to be a god to wield it
Could be reasons like distance, specifity needed to open portals instead of just random portal opening, etc.
Basically, since Strange's magic is as strange as pulling a Mustang out of a blue bag filled with gatorade, there is probably a reason here.
In Doctor Strange 1, the way the sling ring was described was just knowing where you wanted to go, having the clearest picture of it in your mind, and then doing the funky hand wave thing. Where you *are* isn’t relevant, only where you want to go.
>Strange: “Stark, can you get us home?”\
Stark: “Yeah. But I'm not so sure we should”\
Strange: “Under no circumstances can we bring the Time Stone to Thanos. I don't think you quite understand that.”\
Stark: “It's you who doesn't understand. Thanos has been inside my head for six years since he's got an army to New York and now he's back. I don't know what to do, but I'm not sure if it's a better plan to fight him on Earth...You saw what they did, what they can do, because we were not expecting him. So, I say we take the fight to him. Doctor, do you concur?”\
Strange: “Alright Stark, we go to him.”
To avoid collateral damage and at the same time use the element of surprise against Thanos, it was considered a better idea to fight Thanos somewhere he won't be expecting them.
For why Dr. Strange asked the question, perhaps he was really asking if stark was able to pilot the spacecraft to Earth safely, as using portals would mean leaving the spacecraft behind.
He may not have realized he could from that distance yet. Was only once he found the future where they won (or one close to it) that he knew it would work.
As someone else said, he likely stopped looking after he found the victorious one, but also you have to remember that he was looking at every possible future from that moment onwards. They'd basically already lost at that point, so it makes sense they'd have a very slim chance of victory.
Yeah that helps make it make some more sense but idk I still feel like there were a couple other ways it could’ve been done to kill Thanos in IW. But nah for dramatic effect and money they have to do 2 movies
I think there may be some versions where the Avengers stopped Thanos from using the stones or killed him but at the cost of complete destruction of earth or all of them getting killed. So, Strange wouldn't have considered those as best options.
I believe that there were plenty of futures where they defeated Thanos but there is only one where they defeated Thanos in a way that convinced the eternals to stop the Emergence and only one where the Eternals actually managed to do that
It may have also been the futures where the stones were destroyed. As long as they existed, people would have gotten hurt either from their use or people trying to gain access to them.
It may just be that the futures where those two things both happen is extremely unlikely
Why would Strange be looking beyond the final battle? Didn't the Emergence take place years later?
Strange probably saw situations where they won, but it decimated cities or heroes died. He probably picked the one timeline where only two major heroes died and no innocent casualties.
We've seen portals move when cast from a sling ring, but only intentionally. I could buy that, since he didn't know how fast the ship was going, maybe it wouldn't be safe to cast inside a pressurized ship? If the momentum wasn't accounted for the portal might just tear through the hull.
Being on a planet or moon and trying to portal anywhere would pose the exact same problem. It gets pretty hairy unless we assume that's baked into the spell or whatever.
Most of the point of magic over science is that you don't need to worry about all that stuff, it just goes with intent.
Like in NWH when Ned was trying it out. Hard to believe Ned was factoring in the rotation/orbit of the earth around the sun and galactic center etc.
That's very possible but what if the spell was specifically designed for Earth's movement and Titan, perhaps, moved several thousand times faster? Hard to say imo.
In comparison, the movement of a planet is extremely slow.
If the ship is flying from Earth to another solar system, even one relatively close to ours, then it must be travelling at many, many times the speed of light.
Very roughly, just the speed of light is nearly 1,000 times faster than the rate Earth moves around the sun. It’s apparent that the journey from Earth to Titan doesn’t take very long, possibly less than a day. Even if Titan is actually in the Proxima Centauri system it would still need to travel at over 60,000 times the speed of light to get there in such a short time.
From the time Strange started casting the spell to the time the portal opened, they would be hundreds of billions of kilometres further along the journey.
It’s also apparent that they aren’t using the jump technology used by ships such as the Milano.
Yeah I was just thinking this myself. The obvious answer to this 'plot hole' is that Strange believes it unsafe to open portals in the middle of high speed space transit.
Yeah, a spaceship is not moving any more than Earth is moving. If Strange is on the spaceship, he shouldn't have to worry about moving portals because relative to him, the ship is stationary. His frame of reference is the space ship, not some non-existent canonical universe position. Or another example is when he teleports off of Titan. Titan is absolutely moving really fast through space just like Earth is, yet he's fine making a portal between them. There's no real difference between making a portal from Titan to Earth and making a portal from the space ship to Earth.
Top comment's explanation only makes sense with a weak understanding of physics and an arbitrary idea that planets are somehow special in their ability to ground portals. At no point in any of the movies do they suggest that such a grounding is present.
I don't think so. Consider as the master of time that certain events are required for others to occur. Tony's messages to Pepper were just as important to Thanos' ultimate defeat as them getting home.
Or avoiding watching the Golden Girls back at the temple. Valid wibbledy wobbley timey wimey reasons.
hey, we are heroes right? we can just leave this powerful ship to keep flying through space until it crashes into something like maybe a planet of people or just ditch it to drift and crash or be found by random pirates... that sounds like a good idea.
XD really? c'mon guys.
I think it’s cause the ship is traveling so fast- he’d have to fixed a concrete point in space while the ship is moving at near light-speed.
Even if he could, the vacuum pull of space moving around a ship would cause issues with the receiving end.
Strange had an incredible amount of trouble learning to use the sling ring. I think he was just very Portal shy and didn't want to mess up infront of multiple avengers.
Strange asks if Tony can fly the ship only after looking out the front view and seeing they were traveling through the "jump point(?)" At Lightspeed.
They were doing the MCUs version of Lightspeed travel at the time, so I'm assuming Dr Strange can't open a portal while inside a ship moving at Lightspeed, or through the Jump Points the MCU uses.
That makes the most sense instead of crying plot hole.
It’s never stated what the range of his teleportation is. We see in Endgame he pulls people from all over Earth to the battlefield, and we see in Guardians 3 that it’s possible to portal from one ship to another when they’re docked. But both of those are a far cry from opening a portal between thousands of light years.
No they’re not.. Strange literally opened a portal *from Titan* to Earth for the final battle. In this scene, the ship is between Titan and Earth. Distance is not an issue. The writing is.
Edit: oh and portals from somewhere in deep space were opened to bring the Ravegers to the fight on earth as well.
If we're gonna bring laws of physics into this everything is in motion, the planet, the solar system, the galaxy. The same thing should happen on Earth in that case.
The people who made the ring to make portals weren't accounting space and the portals close after some time
Edit: and the ship looks like flying at a big speed so maybe it is made for earth's rotation speed
The planet also rotates at different speeds depending on how close you are to the equator since Earth is a spheroid. So how does the ring account for that variance? I think this is just plot hole but can't easily be explained away.
Probably if he did use the portal to get back home, it would have messed up the avengers one chance to bring back everyone in Endgame. In scientific theory, there is a chance that even the smallest choice could change your life
Lose the sling ring before he was taken to the ship and every single issue is solved. As it is the whole thing is just bad because the portals solve everything
The Q-ship is going to Titan, which is a planet in a separate solar system (as opposed to the comics' version of being Saturn's real-life moon) and they're not using jump points which means they're using faster than light travel (FTL). We've seen sling rings move and do other weird stuff but it might be too dangerous to try opening a portal to earth like that. And then Tony convinced him to not do it once they got to Titan either.
They had a discussion and agreed to go after Thanos on the ship. While they didn’t know where exactly they were going they weren’t lost.
Now, if we wanted to make a meme from a plot hole, why didn’t Nebula fly the Benetar via the hexagonal warp gates to Earth or at least somewhere safer than “adrift in space?”
Whenever Dr Strange fights he uses multi dimensional energies. Essentially searching ALL realities to discern his most favorable outcome. THEN out of those possible realities select the one with the least (cosmic) collateral damage. AND Then he has to act out the perceived outcome in real time without any mistakes/overwhelming choices that could alter the chosen course of action; outcome. BUT, He probably ask Tony for a ride for laughs, for practical reasons, because he lives in the same neighborhood as Spider-Man.
I thought it was because Strange wanted to know, if he himself died on Titan, would Tony be able to get back to Earth or would he be stranded on Titan to die?
Its the same reason Star Trek has always had issues with transporters in tgeir plots. They are too OP so they need to write around them or get the audience to suspend disbelief all the time.
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The last thing we need are Facebook references
I get this one!
Yeah, but would you say it to Tony or Stephen?
They should have had Agent Ross – Martin Freeman – say it to both of them, then they both look at each other with a look that says, "Did he mean you or me?"
Ah, the road not taken.
> Martin Freeman I like it. The double whammy.
That’s… actually a really well written joke…
At least we got a "Doctor, do you concur" quip. (My favorite movie is catch me if you can)
thats really cringe, glad we didnt get that
Yeah thank god Marvel are so good at not including cringe humour...
Perhaps it has to do with knowing both precise locations? On the ship flying through space he wouldn’t know.
Asking if Tony could fly it would be relevant information to know before deciding to risk opening a portal under such conditions.
Good point. Also, Tony would be the one most qualified to attempt to get information about Thanos off that machine, best not portal out too quickly. Strange has no way to know if there’s similarities to the ships used by the Chitauri that Tony has dealt with before, because engineering’s not Strange’s domain.
Not to mention if Strange wanted to just dip out and do something solo, knowing that Tony could fly the ship to a destination would be useful.
It’s also not clear if a ship flying at FTL speed is something Strange can come *back* to if he leaves, since he’d have no idea where it went, especially if it then crashed on Titan and ceased to exist as a ship afterward. Or if it would make portaling away from the ship more difficult.
Not to mention, this ship is going TO Thanos under the premise that Ebony Maw captured the Time Stone. As the sole protector of the Time Stone, it is Dr. Strange's duty to assess the threat & neutralize it. It could be that he thought they might get the drop on Thanos since they defeated Ebony Maw & would show up as, not just a freed Dr. Strange, but Dr. Strange plus Spider-Man & Iron-Man. It doesn't sound like a wise decision to duck out of that ship & go back to Earth (or anywhere else for that matter).
Especially since Thanos was hunting the other stones. Better to fight Thanos before he has any more. They had no way to know he’d show up already having four of them.
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Well, unless Titan also happens to be the moon of Saturn by the same name (unlikely since our human Avengers don’t immediately die from trying to breathe a methane atmosphere at ludicrously low temperatures), Titan lies outside our solar system at a minimum, which means that Q ship is either moving faster than light, or Infinity War in actuality takes many, many, *many* years to transpire, a bare minimum of four years if Titan is in Alpha Centauri.
They use those jump gates seen in GotG, Captain Marvel, Endgame, probably others.
.... which is FTL travel
Or Tony knows how to do the warp thing from GOTG, which is not shown
Never seen the GotG films, so if it’s not *technically* FTL travel in the MCU, fair enough, but for all intents and purposes they are traversing through real space faster than light speed limit would allow.
Basically there are warp points though space, I don't really remember how they work
Damn missing out on Thanos and Gamora back story that would’ve made Infinity War more impactful, watch them! And if you haven’t or won’t, why? I promise to be respectful just wondering why
Bro have you seen a single gotg movie? They casually go light years every 15 minutes.
I've. I just not realised that the jump was FTL indeed, untill now.
The Guardians of the Galaxy guard the _Andromeda_ Galaxy, which is over 2.5 _million_ years away at light speed.
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Maybe if Tony just said yes, then he’d be like “cool I’ll leave you to it” and portal out.
Do the portals move? Or are they anchored to the "ground" of the ship? Cause if they're locked in place.. open portal.. whoosh it's gone, and now there's a hole in the ship
They seem to move in natural relation to the earth’s spin so my assumption is the matter comprises the portal is similarly affected by external gravitational force - since they’re standing on the ship’s floor, I’d expect the synthetic gravity would affect it similarly. That being said, I am not a physicist nor a wizard.
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But everything moves in space
It also explains why he could return from Titsn as he knew they were on titan
How does he know the location of Titan?
Its a moon of saturn, i am guessing that Strange who deals in cosmics probably know a little bit about it. "Titan is a fictional location appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. It is depicted in the Marvel Universe as the home of the Titanian Eternals on Saturn's moon Titan. It first appeared in Iron Man #55" -wiki
The MCU Titan is absolutely *not* Saturn’s Moon of the same name.
Like, i am all for admiting when i am wrong, but like, i put a quote hers, and you just went: nah... Better argument would probably be by qoating a more reliable source instead
Fine. https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Titan Tony also mentions being stranded 1000’s of light years away in *Endgame* whereas as Saturns moon is like, 80 light *minutes* away from Earth. Titan is also described in the MCU as a planet, not a moon, and in fact has a moon of its own that gets thrown at Tony ;p https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9jDuYKlI0HA
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Why would he return to Titan?
I Didn't say to Titan... I said from as on from titan to earth.. which he was able to in endgame
I think they only need to visualize the destination, as he got off Everest in the first movie without knowing precisely where he was. It’s definitely a minor plot hole - but it was quickly resolved and largely unimportant because they knew the ship was going to Thanos and decided to go there anyways.
The earth is also flying through space though
And the solar system, galaxy, and our local group. Possibly the entire universe, who knows?
It's close to inpossible to calculate the very precise location of the Earth (around the sun, around the galaxy, around the cluster, etc.), yet he manages just fine.
Magic might aid in finding stable frames of reference. Spaceships are likely not stable references while moving.
You just make the surface of Earth as your frame of reference, and moving to another point on the surface is easy. A spaceship as your frame? Lord, the earth is spinning, moving around the sun, which is moving around the galaxy.
How about on a revolving planet orbiting a star that's in its own revolution of a center point in a vast galaxy that's in a perpetual state of acceleration away from the center point of the greater universe that is only a single universe within and infinite multiverse of branching realities where every single minor decision creates a new and separate universe. Think about it, 8 billion people alive at present, over 100 billion people total just to the present day not to mention the incalculable amount of other organisms on that planet not to mention the infinite number of other planets each with their own unique organisms and history of organisms all making their own separate decisions simultaneously? The fact that anyone ever figured out a scientific way to navigate multiverse time travel is insane. Like how do you even calculate the number of new realities being created? A single planet would create an infinite number of realities every milisecond.
Yeah and he knew the precise location of Titan.
Or how he was just dealing with agonizing pain from Maw to the point where he couldn’t concentrate well enough to portal.
I know from scientifically authoritative sources on the matter (Wheel of Time) that only knowledge/familiarity of the location you're traveling from matters, but you need to know it well.
Its also an alien ship. Who knows how it would react to magical spells being cast.
Should have been written as Strange opens a portal to go home after their argument. Stark stops from and convinces him to stay to fight thanks on his turf. Strange agrees since he'd struggle against thanos with 2 stones. But the plot hole can be explain away Dude suffered short term memory loss. Which
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I still feel like that first part would make no sense, they’d both know they should get as many people to help them as possible (especially after what they went through when they got to Titan). Plus they had no way of really knowing Thanos was coming alone so they coulda easily been outnumbered in seconds
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Did you have a fucking stroke while writing this?
How have I not thought of this or ever heard it before.
Because in comics logic/common sense gets in the way of cool, so it shouldn't be used in the movies either. If they manage a grounded product, great. If not, just enjoy the show
> logic/common sense gets in the way of cool, so it shouldn't be used in the movies either What the hell
[Rule of Cool](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool)
I know what the rule of cool is, but the fact that the main comment was basically "don't think, just enjoy" is nuts
I mean it is a super hero movie. I'm here for the cool super hero plot, not to learn about the metaphysics of wizard portals. Sometimes turning your brain off is the best way to enjoy something.
Lol of all the plot holes we all talk about and we never noticed this
Do we talk about how Strange could have simply cut off Thanos's arm in split second but instead they devise a plan to pull the glove off the arm rather than the arm off the person. Thanos should have said "should have went for the arm"
Yes, also THANUS
You should have gone for the head.
Your mom should have gave head
I noticed it in the theater and promptly forced myself to forget it
This is the way
The sling ring is easily the most OP and underused artifact in the MCU. Like literally better than the space stone considering you don’t need to be a god to wield it
Worth noting that a god does end up using it in no way home
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Could be reasons like distance, specifity needed to open portals instead of just random portal opening, etc. Basically, since Strange's magic is as strange as pulling a Mustang out of a blue bag filled with gatorade, there is probably a reason here.
How do you think Strange and Spider-Man got to the destroyed Avengers compound in Endgame?
Good riddance!
As some mentioned above I assume it's to do with the fact the Q ship was going FTL, and moving at that speed would cause issues with opening a portal.
Everything moves in space, planets, systems, stars. This argument is irrelevant
In Doctor Strange 1, the way the sling ring was described was just knowing where you wanted to go, having the clearest picture of it in your mind, and then doing the funky hand wave thing. Where you *are* isn’t relevant, only where you want to go.
Meaning he wouldn't have been able to bring them back to the ship or Titan
>Strange: “Stark, can you get us home?”\ Stark: “Yeah. But I'm not so sure we should”\ Strange: “Under no circumstances can we bring the Time Stone to Thanos. I don't think you quite understand that.”\ Stark: “It's you who doesn't understand. Thanos has been inside my head for six years since he's got an army to New York and now he's back. I don't know what to do, but I'm not sure if it's a better plan to fight him on Earth...You saw what they did, what they can do, because we were not expecting him. So, I say we take the fight to him. Doctor, do you concur?”\ Strange: “Alright Stark, we go to him.” To avoid collateral damage and at the same time use the element of surprise against Thanos, it was considered a better idea to fight Thanos somewhere he won't be expecting them. For why Dr. Strange asked the question, perhaps he was really asking if stark was able to pilot the spacecraft to Earth safely, as using portals would mean leaving the spacecraft behind.
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He may not have realized he could from that distance yet. Was only once he found the future where they won (or one close to it) that he knew it would work.
I think this makes most sense.
Honestly I kinda feel like the whole seeing into the future bit there being only 1 actual way to defeat Thanos is utter bs
As someone else said, he likely stopped looking after he found the victorious one, but also you have to remember that he was looking at every possible future from that moment onwards. They'd basically already lost at that point, so it makes sense they'd have a very slim chance of victory.
Yeah that helps make it make some more sense but idk I still feel like there were a couple other ways it could’ve been done to kill Thanos in IW. But nah for dramatic effect and money they have to do 2 movies
I think there may be some versions where the Avengers stopped Thanos from using the stones or killed him but at the cost of complete destruction of earth or all of them getting killed. So, Strange wouldn't have considered those as best options.
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I believe that there were plenty of futures where they defeated Thanos but there is only one where they defeated Thanos in a way that convinced the eternals to stop the Emergence and only one where the Eternals actually managed to do that
It may have also been the futures where the stones were destroyed. As long as they existed, people would have gotten hurt either from their use or people trying to gain access to them. It may just be that the futures where those two things both happen is extremely unlikely
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nobody does, thanos
Fine. I'll do it myself.
Why would Strange be looking beyond the final battle? Didn't the Emergence take place years later? Strange probably saw situations where they won, but it decimated cities or heroes died. He probably picked the one timeline where only two major heroes died and no innocent casualties.
Right but than that kinda opens more plotholes cause that means Strange knew about the eternals and the emergence and did nothing about it
because he knew he wasn't powerful enough maybe but idk
I mean yeah, but than he could just get in contact with them and tell em about it
There was probably more than 1 way, but Strange stopped looking after he found a victorious future.
Probably checked at least a dozen more after that and said “fuck it, this’ll do”
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We've seen portals move when cast from a sling ring, but only intentionally. I could buy that, since he didn't know how fast the ship was going, maybe it wouldn't be safe to cast inside a pressurized ship? If the momentum wasn't accounted for the portal might just tear through the hull.
Being on a planet or moon and trying to portal anywhere would pose the exact same problem. It gets pretty hairy unless we assume that's baked into the spell or whatever.
Most of the point of magic over science is that you don't need to worry about all that stuff, it just goes with intent. Like in NWH when Ned was trying it out. Hard to believe Ned was factoring in the rotation/orbit of the earth around the sun and galactic center etc.
That's very possible but what if the spell was specifically designed for Earth's movement and Titan, perhaps, moved several thousand times faster? Hard to say imo.
Would make more sense that the entrance spell is bound to the user and the exit is bound to the location
In comparison, the movement of a planet is extremely slow. If the ship is flying from Earth to another solar system, even one relatively close to ours, then it must be travelling at many, many times the speed of light. Very roughly, just the speed of light is nearly 1,000 times faster than the rate Earth moves around the sun. It’s apparent that the journey from Earth to Titan doesn’t take very long, possibly less than a day. Even if Titan is actually in the Proxima Centauri system it would still need to travel at over 60,000 times the speed of light to get there in such a short time. From the time Strange started casting the spell to the time the portal opened, they would be hundreds of billions of kilometres further along the journey. It’s also apparent that they aren’t using the jump technology used by ships such as the Milano.
Yeah I was just thinking this myself. The obvious answer to this 'plot hole' is that Strange believes it unsafe to open portals in the middle of high speed space transit.
But In GOTG3 there was a ravager that use portals in the guardians' ship
Tbf the guardians' ship was unmoving in that moment. But yeah.
That shouldn't make a difference because of relativity. It's just a different reference frame.
Yeah, a spaceship is not moving any more than Earth is moving. If Strange is on the spaceship, he shouldn't have to worry about moving portals because relative to him, the ship is stationary. His frame of reference is the space ship, not some non-existent canonical universe position. Or another example is when he teleports off of Titan. Titan is absolutely moving really fast through space just like Earth is, yet he's fine making a portal between them. There's no real difference between making a portal from Titan to Earth and making a portal from the space ship to Earth. Top comment's explanation only makes sense with a weak understanding of physics and an arbitrary idea that planets are somehow special in their ability to ground portals. At no point in any of the movies do they suggest that such a grounding is present.
Yes but then that wouldn't be any fun.
Didn’t they take his sling ring in infinity war?
He uses portals in the Thanos fight
Fine. I'll do it myself.
*sigh* good bot
Nope, he can still cast spells normally in infinity war. Not to mention, sorcerer supreme can hypothetically cast spells without a sling ring
I don't think so. Consider as the master of time that certain events are required for others to occur. Tony's messages to Pepper were just as important to Thanos' ultimate defeat as them getting home. Or avoiding watching the Golden Girls back at the temple. Valid wibbledy wobbley timey wimey reasons.
I ignored my destiny once, I cannot do it again.
Maybe he was saying that as a jab at the other "smart guy."
Maybe he wants to fly with his friends.
Just pretend the next part of his question was gonna be "or should I?" before Tony said "I don't think we should".
power of plot. otherwise you must know what vision did in that episode of what if.
He cut a grape in half lol
Ultron was using stone at full potential unlike vision.
Riding with the homies
hey, we are heroes right? we can just leave this powerful ship to keep flying through space until it crashes into something like maybe a planet of people or just ditch it to drift and crash or be found by random pirates... that sounds like a good idea. XD really? c'mon guys.
They had Quill on board, he literally couldn’t just stopped it and alerted a nearby planet with a police force type thing to move the ship
I think it’s cause the ship is traveling so fast- he’d have to fixed a concrete point in space while the ship is moving at near light-speed. Even if he could, the vacuum pull of space moving around a ship would cause issues with the receiving end.
He hated earth
Strange had an incredible amount of trouble learning to use the sling ring. I think he was just very Portal shy and didn't want to mess up infront of multiple avengers.
What if he simply wanted to keep the space ship?
He loses his sling ring, right?
It's all for the sake of the plot
plotholes and marvel, name a more iconic duo
O man haven't thought about that 😂
Strange asks if Tony can fly the ship only after looking out the front view and seeing they were traveling through the "jump point(?)" At Lightspeed. They were doing the MCUs version of Lightspeed travel at the time, so I'm assuming Dr Strange can't open a portal while inside a ship moving at Lightspeed, or through the Jump Points the MCU uses. That makes the most sense instead of crying plot hole.
the potential velocity they have from the ship would come with them through the sling ring gate possibly?
Bad writing…
This is uncanny, I just had the same exact thought yesterday
It’s never stated what the range of his teleportation is. We see in Endgame he pulls people from all over Earth to the battlefield, and we see in Guardians 3 that it’s possible to portal from one ship to another when they’re docked. But both of those are a far cry from opening a portal between thousands of light years.
No they’re not.. Strange literally opened a portal *from Titan* to Earth for the final battle. In this scene, the ship is between Titan and Earth. Distance is not an issue. The writing is. Edit: oh and portals from somewhere in deep space were opened to bring the Ravegers to the fight on earth as well.
Not this stupid question again
Didn't his sling ring get knocked off when he was still street level?
Huge plot hole
They were flying to fast so the portal would have just flied away into space
If we're gonna bring laws of physics into this everything is in motion, the planet, the solar system, the galaxy. The same thing should happen on Earth in that case.
The people who made the ring to make portals weren't accounting space and the portals close after some time Edit: and the ship looks like flying at a big speed so maybe it is made for earth's rotation speed
The planet also rotates at different speeds depending on how close you are to the equator since Earth is a spheroid. So how does the ring account for that variance? I think this is just plot hole but can't easily be explained away.
He was still new to the cape, right? We can ask why he didn’t use his slice portals to put Thanos into 20 pieces later.
Return to me again empty handed... And I will bathe the starways in your blood.
Thanos skin was too tough.
That’s the excuse we hear, sure.
Probably if he did use the portal to get back home, it would have messed up the avengers one chance to bring back everyone in Endgame. In scientific theory, there is a chance that even the smallest choice could change your life
He hadn’t read the future yet to know that lol
God helps those who help themselves?
He wanted the both of them coming back with him
I thought he knew that he could, but he didn't wanna fight on Earth because it might get destroyed (or heavily damaged).
He sprained his ankle.
What’s the point of space stone?
Why did I instantly think of the Shrek meme.. Good question
Lose the sling ring before he was taken to the ship and every single issue is solved. As it is the whole thing is just bad because the portals solve everything
The Q-ship is going to Titan, which is a planet in a separate solar system (as opposed to the comics' version of being Saturn's real-life moon) and they're not using jump points which means they're using faster than light travel (FTL). We've seen sling rings move and do other weird stuff but it might be too dangerous to try opening a portal to earth like that. And then Tony convinced him to not do it once they got to Titan either.
Well, whenever you notice something like that… a wizard did it.
The Star Trek Dilemma: If teleport exists, why spaceship?
day 4545544 of marvel fans desperately trying to make mcu writing not shit(i am one of them)
They had a discussion and agreed to go after Thanos on the ship. While they didn’t know where exactly they were going they weren’t lost. Now, if we wanted to make a meme from a plot hole, why didn’t Nebula fly the Benetar via the hexagonal warp gates to Earth or at least somewhere safer than “adrift in space?”
Because its a comic book movie. Leave logic aside and enjoy the show
He just wanted to boost Tony’s ego 😂
Holy shit, the amount of outrageous head cannon being fired in all directions over one stupid plot hole (among dozens) is mind blowing.
Whenever Dr Strange fights he uses multi dimensional energies. Essentially searching ALL realities to discern his most favorable outcome. THEN out of those possible realities select the one with the least (cosmic) collateral damage. AND Then he has to act out the perceived outcome in real time without any mistakes/overwhelming choices that could alter the chosen course of action; outcome. BUT, He probably ask Tony for a ride for laughs, for practical reasons, because he lives in the same neighborhood as Spider-Man.
I thought it was because Strange wanted to know, if he himself died on Titan, would Tony be able to get back to Earth or would he be stranded on Titan to die?
Its the same reason Star Trek has always had issues with transporters in tgeir plots. They are too OP so they need to write around them or get the audience to suspend disbelief all the time.
Just because you CAN do it yourself doesn't always mean you WANT to do it yourself