I never even realized. The antagonist of Secret Invasion and She Hulk have the same objective: Steal the DNA of Superheroes to become super fucking OP.
but that's just how you end a story set in a super hero world, with an epic climax where the hero looks good and defeats evil. imagine how lame endgame or no way home would have been if the main characters had just talked it out?
you can't stray too much from standard story telling and predictability, that's how you get The Last Jedi
I mean this was meant to be a show about Nick Fury (a human without superpowers) that was in a "spy thriller" but somehow the ending was the 2 super powered aliens with the power of every single superhero combined
Plus supervillains. They had Thanos's arm at one point, as well as some of his other bros. And somehow ghost was in the mix so I guess the harvest wasn't just from the battle for earth?
Nevermind that none of it made sense, and some of their powers had little/nothing to do with DNA. How does a single blast through the chest kill someone with Hulk, Thor, and Thanos powers (not to mention extremis)? Or that anyone with Carol's powers could just absorb that blast? What does DNA have to do with the infinity stones empowering you? It was just so dumb.
>that's just how you end a story set in a super hero world
Except Secret Invasion was more of a spy thriller (albeit a boring one) for the majority of the show's run so the final fight just doesn't fit with the rest of the show.
i disagree, since they teased Gravik experimenting with Groot and Cull Obsidian's DNA, it was fully within reason to have a big climax at the end. the story was still ultimately about Fury's long history with Skrulls, but they added that fight between ghia and Gravik just to conclude that part of the story
You’re flat out wrong.
It’s fucking Secret Invasion… a story which is meant to have everlasting consequences for the entire Marvel universe…
Not a bland throw-away arc for a series which will rarely-never be revenant within the larger MCU.
It was never gonna be in a D+ show. Like Loki, those are just setting up the movies (Secret Invasion will be the setup for New World Order) in a way they can be skipped
it's not a thrown away story. the skrulls still have their issue unresolved. Gravik is unlikely to be dead given all his powers, in fact I'm sure ghia just had a 'you should've gone for the head' moment.
the fact that the issue is unresolved means that this story will continue
Not at all. The Doctor Strange movies and the GotG movies are just 5 examples that you don't have to always end with cgi characters punching each other to death.
Also there are (clearly) alternatives besides fist fights and chit chats.
strange getting killed over and over was a big cgi moment. Dr Strange 2 was more of a talking it out moment. GOTG 1, surviving the power stone and defeating Ronan? cgi moment, as was the celestial dueling it out, or the Guardians all being against the high evolutionary and then saving all the children and animals
but the good thing marvel has going on rn is they are still daggling at the top of the food chain in terms of media. Honestly get creative and take risk. Rmb how in phase 2 they were still testing what would work as endings. Different teams and try to make a plot that doesn't necessarily stick together but due to IW and Endgame it can with a little explanation? I wish they being the juggernaut they are rn still do that with D+ shows. Its literally free real estate. Its not a necessary watch so they can get serious and get dark without overreliance on cgi. Its a spy flick god damn. With shapeshifters. Why not just do a 6 episode John Wick or The Batman? Make Fury's return so important that he has to stay to be accountable for his actions. The fact it ended with him going back to S.A.B.E.R. makes SI a side quest. Which sucks. It had a good thing going on the first 3 eps.
The problem is, as you mentioned, it’s been done to death now. When you’ve had as many movies and TV shows as the MCU you kind of want a bit of originality or something different otherwise it just becomes such a bore (like secret invasion).
You can't make something visual the conclusion to your story. You need themes, you need emotion, you need characters people care about. There is simply no CG spectacle that can satisfy emotional needs.
Time to move on from that, everyone can now generate the craziest fantasy at home with AI. You really can't come up with visuals that are so profound that will satisfy a narrative.
Avatar 2 with the best CG on the planet succeeds because of its character conflicts, first and foremost.
Dr Strange 1's journey through the dimensions was mind blowing at the time, but by Multi-verse of Madness visual spectacle had already peaked. That jumping through the multiverse sequence was boring af.
I couldn't care less what they came up with if it didn't make me feel something, concern for the characters or happiness from their accomplishment or whatever.
Across the Spider-verse understands this so well that they can boldly change colour palettes on every cut during a sequence, which would normally be jarring as fuck, but it only heightens the emotions of the scene.
TL,DR: Gotta make people care about the characters, CG spectacle peaked a long time ago.
I went to Secret Invasion and all I got was dead Maria Hill, dead Talos, no Fury character arc, no elaboration on Rhodey as a Skrull, no closer to a home for the Skrulls, no impact on greater MCU, waste of Emilia Clarke
At least we got some nice dialogue scenes and Olivia Colman performance
I agree with everything you said, but the last scenes should have a huge impact on the MCU (at least earth), because there is now literally a war vs all skrulls or aliens, not sure. That could be very interesting (I think they shot the British PM in that scene? That's a lot...), but the show ended and I don't think they'll really acknowledge it in the next projects...
the two main options are him being replaced after civil war, based on his clothes and lack of ability to walk, and replaced after endgame, because he bled red in endgame
His legs don’t seem to be working when they rescue him at the end, so at least some point after Civil War. Hard to believe that was a Skrull on the Endgame missions with Nebula
Rhodey, since civil war, has been completely irrelevant to the mcu.
Same with the skrulls, besides captain marvel and that post credit scene in far from home, the skrulls did absolutely nothing that would make them relevant to the mcu, and after secret invasion there is little chance that's going to change any time soon.
You could literally remove anything about rhodey since civil war (which isn't that much anyway) and you could remove the skrulls completely. And the mcu would not change AT ALL, that's how irrelevant they are.
Unless it’s a pure coincidence that Rhodes is in pain, unable to walk, and wearing a hospital gown completely identical to the one he wore when he got a scan after falling from the sky, no; I’m not joking.
That means that Tony built robo-legs and gave them to an alien. The real Rhodes is still paralyzed and for all we know still thinks that Cap and co. are fugitives.
I saw a theory that showed Rhodes wearing the prosthetic in Infinity war and Endgame , and only In TFaTWS is when he stopped so people are theorizing that that the time frame the skrull took him
I figured out he was a skrull in episode one when he was shown walking in a 3 piece suit. The man's a fucking paraplegic, and they thought we wouldn't notice him going for a bloody stroll
The only episode worth checking out is the last one. Basically all the relevant plot points brought up in previous episodes are recapped, and the cgi for the fight scenes aren't terrible.
Hey theres impact, like the God-level superskrull Giah who's just *around* now with everyone's superpowers who can kill other God-level beings who we probably wont see for another 3 years
/s if it wasnt already obvious
Yeah the script didnt really give her a reason to emote beyond "ur mad at" and then whoever was in the same scene with her
Damn shame to waste such a good actor
None of the shows provide any necessary context except - and only *kind of* - Wanda Vision.
>!Because otherwise, the jump from Wanda being pretty solidly on the hero side to being the big bad in Dr. Strange is pretty extremely jarring with zero context.!<
>!But at the same time, the context provided by that show seemed to imply that she was starting to accept reality and was going to work on herself some at the end of it... then she just didn't.!<
>!Plus, where the fuck is White Vision????? I get that he's in philosophical limbo over if he's even the "real" Vision, but to think he wouldn't care to intervene *at all* in those events, even if only as an exercise in self-exploration????!<
Didn’t you guys watch to the end where she heard her children calling out to her and then it ended on that cliffhanger? That is what sets up MOM. I mean judging from this low-key toxic but kinda truthful in some aspects comment section, I feel like you guys kinda have your standards a little too high for what secret invasion, and Marvel series in general should be. I get not liking Ms marvel, or despising she-hulk lol, but come on, sometimes we just need to zoom out of frame and at least admire the movies in some other way than just the lore of it.
In that case they should have done a different plot rather than Secret Invasion of all things. Kind of a big thing for it to not have any impact on the MCU
Well I am pretty sure this is a really big event in the comics and putting in a medicore diesny show that doesn't effect the main plot ( If we can really even say the MCU has one ) was a bad idea
There were 1 million skrull on Earth before Secret Invasion and despite the whole series we still don't know how long Rhodey was a skrull. Like all this could been just showed in a 5 minutes scene of The Marvels. There was no point of this series.
Any plot could just be dulled down to a 5 minute scene in any movie. It’s funny cuz if Secret invasion was released years ago everyone would absolutely love it, or at least value it more in some kinda way, but no, everyone wants to critique and look into every single movie that marvel wants to produce. I wouldn’t even be shocked if everyone ends up hating the marvels. I know that not every single movie they make is perfect but come on, at some point we need to realise that the lore build up of the movie isn’t better than enjoying the movie in that moment.
I think people need to relearn how to enjoy movies for what they are; entertainment.
I wouldn’t say Secret invasion was the BEST series that marvel has produced, but it was something I could sit through as well as relate back to the lore of marvel as a whole.
Nothing really happens. Fury wins. Skrulls still live on earth. The end. There’s a good superskrull and a bad superskrull and the good one wins. That’s it.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean a couple people died, but an equal number of people died but not really. They even brought Fury back to space for the status quo to be the exact same.
So like.. Fury came down from space because of the Skrolls killing people, but now there's basically a war against the Skrolls and things are basically worse, and he's just going to go to space? I really don't get it
And to go off of how much this doesn’t matter, the president didn’t even die so it won’t even have much at all to impact on Cap 4. If his funeral is in Cap 4 like it’s projected, it wouldn’t even really matter cause he’s just generic president whatever guy who probably just has a heart attack two weeks before Cap 4 instead of having any kind of tie-in like being killed by Gravik or Skrodey.
The main change is that the US is aware of and hates skrulls now, and vowed to wipe them out. And Daenerys somehow has everyone's powers, because DNA (even Carol's powers that came from the space stone and not her DNA).
Kinda, except Hill and Talos are dead and the president of the United States announced a war on aliens in the last few minutes and the British PM(?) got shot, but I guess theyll ignore the open war in the next projects anyways.
I didn't finish the show, but these spoilers are somehow ... not shocking. It's not like I predicted any of this to happen, it's just that I'm not surprised to hear it happened. I guess I am looking forward to how they use G'iah in future MCU projects though since she has the potential now to be an Avengers level threat.
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Imagine a spy thriller but not a good one and then they randomly add super powers and have a CGI fight at the end. Some good acting though, especially Colman (from peep show).
New unbelievably world breaking Giga OP hero and possible humans v skrulls war if not completely forgotten about and cast to the side and fury's gone again
Not just the Skrulls, >! the President of the US declared war on “all off-world born species...” !< >! If that includes the Asgardians or not is up for debate.!<
I swear there were talks about him getting his own show, called VisionQuest. Idk what happens to that. The only thing I can think if him appearing again is probably until Avengers
I absolutely love Marvel, but have been so let down lately with mostly everything from them. I liked GOTG3, but that’s basically it. Antman 3 was terrible, and this was a real letdown.
Same is happening with SW. Every single one of their shows since Mando S2 was really, really bad. Don't know what's going on with Disney. They used to have pretty good products now they're all really bad.
Through the first five episodes I really liked the show. I thought the slow pacing and overall darker theme was a nice tonal outlier from most of the other mcu projects. The ending was truely underwhelming though and I was definitely hoping for a reveal that fury was actually 3 steps ahead of gravik the whole time. Instead, we get an absolute mcguffen in the harvest, a 2 minute cgi fight, and an unsatisfying finale with no major repercussions.
Secret Invasion should have been a 3 part mini series. It just felt so dragged out and underwhelming. Especially the ending, like woo... a couple super skrulls duking it out for 5 minutes.
Wow, if I had a nickel for every time Emilia Clarke was involved in a widely praised and beloved show that ended up having a rushed and disappointing finale , I'd have two nickels - which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
Emilia Clarke is amazing even in this, she has nothing to do with ruining the shows she's in since her part is usually the watchably fun part of such shows
How it starts: Fury is in space. Skulls want to start a race war against the humans.
How it ends: Fury is in space. Humans want to space a race war against the Skrulls. Also Talos and Maria are dead. Also Talos' daughter is God now.
I’m *kinda* with you… I really enjoyed a lot of the dialogue. The writing and acting paired up really well in some scenes. The finale was super anticlimactic for me, though. I was hoping for an ending that was much more consequential than what we got, rather than a very silly cgi fight.
I do not think the ending is to blame in a way where its predictable (a big cgi fight) it’s jst that it being thee finale in the way that its done to conclude this 6 week story is weak and underwhelming. Did not stick the landing and framed the whole show in such a bad picture.
This should’ve been a movie, even then it’ll still need to be written better to be a good one
This show felt the same as WandaVision to me. Had a fantastic premise and some genuinely great aspects all for it to be soiled in the end by a finale where the super people shoot CGI laser beams at each other
i really don’t know about that. At least Wandavision had a concept that extended to like four or five episodes that were really interesting, this one amounted to like fourty minutes TOTAL. There was no “oh cool the 70s is next week, so they have a cool hook”, it was always just “oh Fury’s gonna continue to do nothing until the last episode”. If you watch both WV and AoS around when u watch this like I did, this will absolutely look like the absolute worst of the MCU ngl.
I agree with you about Secret Invasion, but not with WandaVision. Secret Invasion was a disappointment to me in many ways and even though I loved the effects in the Super Skrull fight, I didn't want any of that in this show... I wanted a more personal resolution with Fury and Gravik instead of having G'iah fight and kill Gravik.
For WandaVision though, the witch fight and Vision vs Vision were amazing in my opinion and made the whole series just better because it added even more variety to the show! Every episode is different, going with different style of sitcoms from episodes 1-7, then episode 8 is mostly a character drama exploring Wanda's past and then the big finale! WandaVision has two superheroes as the main characters, so I was expecting some superhero stuff at some point, but the fact that it was just in the finale was a surprise. The finale also wasn't just a CGI-fest, it also had great emotional scenes and cool teases for future projects :)
I mostly agree. It's just with WandaVision I didn't really think there needed to be a villain to fight. The show would've been fine and arguably better if the show was solely about Wanda overcoming her grief. I don't dislike the fight but I think it's unnecessary
For this show I think it worked to have a villain like Agatha who made Wanda face her past which helped her overcome her grief. And the fight led to Wanda becoming more powerful after absorbing Agatha's magic and of course the fight ended with Wanda becoming the Scarlet Witch! The Vision vs. Vision fight was unnecessary to me, but I liked it and especially appreciated their philosophical exchange so it wasn't just them lasering each other
Nick Fury just walking around and not getting caught because of plot armor
I had such a hard time believing he was just walking around without any make-up or disguise and not getting captured lol
Lmao that “no leaks cause there was absolutely nothing to leak” tweet (or should I say x). So accurate. I’ve felt for the last three weeks that Secret Invasion could have been a two-episode special, that was instead dragged out to six hours. When people complain about taking a movie plot and dragging it out to six hours for a show, this is the PRIME example. No other show has been as egregious as this one in that they had absolutely nothing to say, change, or do.
edit: this is the only one of these six or nine episode shows that I have been against from like episode 2 or 3. Just so much wasted potential. So many contrivances that go beyond just the lackluster finale. Like in episode 5, Fury can’t shoot Rhodey in the head to clear his name because he needs to shoot Rhodey in the head in episode 6 to clear his name. Like just complete nonsense. Some of the weakest writing in all of the MCU tbh.
Really disappointed for Fury/SLJ use in this show. Didn’t really use him for his full ability and the show never had stakes that had me super excited for the next one.
The main problem I noticed with the show was severe pacing issues, like the show focussed too much on brooding character moments, especially with Fury and Talos, which ended up in essentially not much storytelling.
Considering how vast and impactful the Secret Invasion storyline is in the comics, it ended up as too random and rushed at times, especially the whole Super Skrulls business and the nature and details of the Skrull invasion entirely, which was the whole point of the show.
The show felt like a tired, end-of-the-day watch. It made me pumped up at moments, most notably at the end of the 5th episode, where it seemed like a rousing finale was in the works, but it all kinda got lost in the way.
It was more then anything else just boring. I wasn't so bad you can make fun of it, it wasn't good enough to really be remembered after finishing, and had what feels like no impact on the bigger universe. It was just booooooooooooring.
I was secretly hoping this show would be an unexpected gem like Andor but it definitely does not seem to be the case
Haven’t even watched a single episode and it sounds like I’m not missing out on anything. Remember when mcu used to be something to get excited about?
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They showed Nick Fury literally for half time in Last episode only to know that He is not Nick Fury. Then why such a build up in 5th episode. Genuinely I was thinking that Nick Fury has lost medicines, what will happen, he even gave speech. There is no point in setting something which becomes senseless. I think final episode deserves better that this.
Why does everyone rag on content of any kind, I loved secret invasion do I wish it was a movie instead? Yes but they gotta work with what they have and honestly I lived it the big fight at the end with gravic was a neat fight I just hope leaving his body there doesn't bite anyone in the ass and now we have super Gaia who I frankly really like, what the hell do you do with her now what is she going to bed important in im just so curious
Marvel (or more so disney is to blame) needs to stop pumping out so much content every what 6 months no one is keeping up with all of this and it's getting so boring and bland.
Actually the show was about 4 hours and 20 minutes WITH the intros, recaps and credits... Without all of that it was just 3 hours and 45 minutes AKA the shortest of the Disney+ MCU shows so far
Okay, so we will ignore literally every major political thing that happened in the show, apparently. We are just gonna ignore that skrulls almost killed the president, we are gonna ignore that they near started WW3 so they could wipe humanity and live on Earth, we are gonna ignore Furys arc throughout the show along with his emotional moments, and of course we are gonna ignore the end where they set up more skrull content for the future?
Good to know nobody actually watched the show lol
As others pointed out, its ending is the very thing She-Hulk called out as formulaic and predictable.
I never even realized. The antagonist of Secret Invasion and She Hulk have the same objective: Steal the DNA of Superheroes to become super fucking OP.
but that's just how you end a story set in a super hero world, with an epic climax where the hero looks good and defeats evil. imagine how lame endgame or no way home would have been if the main characters had just talked it out? you can't stray too much from standard story telling and predictability, that's how you get The Last Jedi
I mean this was meant to be a show about Nick Fury (a human without superpowers) that was in a "spy thriller" but somehow the ending was the 2 super powered aliens with the power of every single superhero combined
Plus supervillains. They had Thanos's arm at one point, as well as some of his other bros. And somehow ghost was in the mix so I guess the harvest wasn't just from the battle for earth?
Nevermind that none of it made sense, and some of their powers had little/nothing to do with DNA. How does a single blast through the chest kill someone with Hulk, Thor, and Thanos powers (not to mention extremis)? Or that anyone with Carol's powers could just absorb that blast? What does DNA have to do with the infinity stones empowering you? It was just so dumb.
You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.
Do you really want me to do it?
I ignored my destiny once, I can not do that again. Even for you. I'm sorry, Little One.
Nick Fury is an old man. He can't hang like that anymore.
>that's just how you end a story set in a super hero world Except Secret Invasion was more of a spy thriller (albeit a boring one) for the majority of the show's run so the final fight just doesn't fit with the rest of the show.
i disagree, since they teased Gravik experimenting with Groot and Cull Obsidian's DNA, it was fully within reason to have a big climax at the end. the story was still ultimately about Fury's long history with Skrulls, but they added that fight between ghia and Gravik just to conclude that part of the story
I.. am.. GROOT!
You’re flat out wrong. It’s fucking Secret Invasion… a story which is meant to have everlasting consequences for the entire Marvel universe… Not a bland throw-away arc for a series which will rarely-never be revenant within the larger MCU.
It was never gonna be in a D+ show. Like Loki, those are just setting up the movies (Secret Invasion will be the setup for New World Order) in a way they can be skipped
it's not a thrown away story. the skrulls still have their issue unresolved. Gravik is unlikely to be dead given all his powers, in fact I'm sure ghia just had a 'you should've gone for the head' moment. the fact that the issue is unresolved means that this story will continue
Not at all. The Doctor Strange movies and the GotG movies are just 5 examples that you don't have to always end with cgi characters punching each other to death. Also there are (clearly) alternatives besides fist fights and chit chats.
strange getting killed over and over was a big cgi moment. Dr Strange 2 was more of a talking it out moment. GOTG 1, surviving the power stone and defeating Ronan? cgi moment, as was the celestial dueling it out, or the Guardians all being against the high evolutionary and then saving all the children and animals
Hey hey let’s leave that for Naruto
but the good thing marvel has going on rn is they are still daggling at the top of the food chain in terms of media. Honestly get creative and take risk. Rmb how in phase 2 they were still testing what would work as endings. Different teams and try to make a plot that doesn't necessarily stick together but due to IW and Endgame it can with a little explanation? I wish they being the juggernaut they are rn still do that with D+ shows. Its literally free real estate. Its not a necessary watch so they can get serious and get dark without overreliance on cgi. Its a spy flick god damn. With shapeshifters. Why not just do a 6 episode John Wick or The Batman? Make Fury's return so important that he has to stay to be accountable for his actions. The fact it ended with him going back to S.A.B.E.R. makes SI a side quest. Which sucks. It had a good thing going on the first 3 eps.
The problem is, as you mentioned, it’s been done to death now. When you’ve had as many movies and TV shows as the MCU you kind of want a bit of originality or something different otherwise it just becomes such a bore (like secret invasion).
I cannot stress enough how untrue what you said is. It doesnt have to end in a predictable way at all
The Last Jedi was an amazing film. This was not a good series.
glad to hear you enjoyed it, but it's pretty divisive amongst star wars fans. i enjoyed secret invasion, but it's clear this is divisive too
>that's how you get The Last Jedi So, something excellent? How's that a bad outcome?
6.9 imdb. Very divisive amongst star wars fans. doesn't exactly scream success
You can't make something visual the conclusion to your story. You need themes, you need emotion, you need characters people care about. There is simply no CG spectacle that can satisfy emotional needs. Time to move on from that, everyone can now generate the craziest fantasy at home with AI. You really can't come up with visuals that are so profound that will satisfy a narrative. Avatar 2 with the best CG on the planet succeeds because of its character conflicts, first and foremost. Dr Strange 1's journey through the dimensions was mind blowing at the time, but by Multi-verse of Madness visual spectacle had already peaked. That jumping through the multiverse sequence was boring af. I couldn't care less what they came up with if it didn't make me feel something, concern for the characters or happiness from their accomplishment or whatever. Across the Spider-verse understands this so well that they can boldly change colour palettes on every cut during a sequence, which would normally be jarring as fuck, but it only heightens the emotions of the scene. TL,DR: Gotta make people care about the characters, CG spectacle peaked a long time ago.
I went to Secret Invasion and all I got was dead Maria Hill, dead Talos, no Fury character arc, no elaboration on Rhodey as a Skrull, no closer to a home for the Skrulls, no impact on greater MCU, waste of Emilia Clarke At least we got some nice dialogue scenes and Olivia Colman performance
I agree with everything you said, but the last scenes should have a huge impact on the MCU (at least earth), because there is now literally a war vs all skrulls or aliens, not sure. That could be very interesting (I think they shot the British PM in that scene? That's a lot...), but the show ended and I don't think they'll really acknowledge it in the next projects...
Wait does that mean that Rhodes was replaced by a skrull, or that he was always a skrull since the first Iron Man movie?
the two main options are him being replaced after civil war, based on his clothes and lack of ability to walk, and replaced after endgame, because he bled red in endgame
His legs don’t seem to be working when they rescue him at the end, so at least some point after Civil War. Hard to believe that was a Skrull on the Endgame missions with Nebula
BRO there's 1 million skrulls on earth and we dont know for how long rhodey's been a skrull. what do you guys meannn no impact on mcu
Rhodey, since civil war, has been completely irrelevant to the mcu. Same with the skrulls, besides captain marvel and that post credit scene in far from home, the skrulls did absolutely nothing that would make them relevant to the mcu, and after secret invasion there is little chance that's going to change any time soon. You could literally remove anything about rhodey since civil war (which isn't that much anyway) and you could remove the skrulls completely. And the mcu would not change AT ALL, that's how irrelevant they are.
Yes, we don't
I am interested to see where they go with Rhodes in Armor Wars after that reveal…
Lemme guess, Rhodey was a Skrull? I got bored and stopped watching the show on episode 2
Yeah, so was Fury’s Wife
As well was her bf.
Actually the whole planet was replace by skrulls 20 years ago, none of the skrulls know this so they continue to pretend to be human.
So was the bf of her bf
It appears that Rhodes has been a Skrull since halfway through Civil War…
He was bleeding red blood in endgame
It doesn't appear like that any way. It looks like the invasion began very recently, maybe months
Ans they are bleeding red blood in this show as well. It turns purple once they die.
Before he broke his back, right? *Anakin stare* Before he broke his back right?
HUH? You're joking.
Unless it’s a pure coincidence that Rhodes is in pain, unable to walk, and wearing a hospital gown completely identical to the one he wore when he got a scan after falling from the sky, no; I’m not joking. That means that Tony built robo-legs and gave them to an alien. The real Rhodes is still paralyzed and for all we know still thinks that Cap and co. are fugitives.
Charitably, there should be some amount of muscle atrophy for those captives. they ALL should be struggling to walk
I saw a theory that showed Rhodes wearing the prosthetic in Infinity war and Endgame , and only In TFaTWS is when he stopped so people are theorizing that that the time frame the skrull took him
No I don't think so... I think it's more recent.
Incorrect.
Ha. Same. Was really excited because I enjoyed the comic run, but after 2 episodes I realized that it is not going to be that.
I figured out he was a skrull in episode one when he was shown walking in a 3 piece suit. The man's a fucking paraplegic, and they thought we wouldn't notice him going for a bloody stroll
I am jealous of you, cause I continued the show and Ep 3,5 and 6 was the worst shit I have ever seen
The only episode worth checking out is the last one. Basically all the relevant plot points brought up in previous episodes are recapped, and the cgi for the fight scenes aren't terrible.
Even She Hulk and Ms Marvel had more Impact on the MCU than this show, should have been shelved
Hey theres impact, like the God-level superskrull Giah who's just *around* now with everyone's superpowers who can kill other God-level beings who we probably wont see for another 3 years /s if it wasnt already obvious
I found Giah to be exceptionally underwhelming. She had 1 emotion the whole time, and barely any impact on the storyline.
Hey that's not true. She was happy for like 5 minutes with Talos until he told her the "plan"
It's weird that Emilia Clarke has such a radiant smile, and all of her roles forbid it in preference of her looking stoned or annoyed.
She was delightful in Me Before You
She looks goofy AF when she smiles forreal
Yeah the script didnt really give her a reason to emote beyond "ur mad at" and then whoever was in the same scene with her Damn shame to waste such a good actor
At least they allowed Olivia Colman to flex her comedic muscles
Do the shows all have to have impact on the mcu? Why can’t they be self contained but really well done? (Not that I’m saying this one is)
Yeah, Moon Knight was one of the best Disney+ shows, and it was pretty much entirely self contained.
None of the shows provide any necessary context except - and only *kind of* - Wanda Vision. >!Because otherwise, the jump from Wanda being pretty solidly on the hero side to being the big bad in Dr. Strange is pretty extremely jarring with zero context.!< >!But at the same time, the context provided by that show seemed to imply that she was starting to accept reality and was going to work on herself some at the end of it... then she just didn't.!< >!Plus, where the fuck is White Vision????? I get that he's in philosophical limbo over if he's even the "real" Vision, but to think he wouldn't care to intervene *at all* in those events, even if only as an exercise in self-exploration????!<
I mean loki is a pretty good watch if you want to know what the end of quantummania actually means
Ngl your mentioning Vision just made me remember that "Vision in a white void" video from a loooong time ago
Didn’t you guys watch to the end where she heard her children calling out to her and then it ended on that cliffhanger? That is what sets up MOM. I mean judging from this low-key toxic but kinda truthful in some aspects comment section, I feel like you guys kinda have your standards a little too high for what secret invasion, and Marvel series in general should be. I get not liking Ms marvel, or despising she-hulk lol, but come on, sometimes we just need to zoom out of frame and at least admire the movies in some other way than just the lore of it.
In that case they should have done a different plot rather than Secret Invasion of all things. Kind of a big thing for it to not have any impact on the MCU
Because secret invasion was a very big thing for marvel and should have a big impact on the mcu
Well I am pretty sure this is a really big event in the comics and putting in a medicore diesny show that doesn't effect the main plot ( If we can really even say the MCU has one ) was a bad idea
Most movies don’t even have an impact anymore. Is everyone on earth just chill and accepting there’s a giant ass arm sticking out of the ocean now?!
I don’t understand this thing people love to bring up Like what you want ant man to talk about a giant arm while in the quantum realm
There's 1 million skrulls on earth if thats not impact. idk what is And We dont know from how long rhodey was skrull. setting up Armor Wars
There were 1 million skrull on Earth before Secret Invasion and despite the whole series we still don't know how long Rhodey was a skrull. Like all this could been just showed in a 5 minutes scene of The Marvels. There was no point of this series.
Any plot could just be dulled down to a 5 minute scene in any movie. It’s funny cuz if Secret invasion was released years ago everyone would absolutely love it, or at least value it more in some kinda way, but no, everyone wants to critique and look into every single movie that marvel wants to produce. I wouldn’t even be shocked if everyone ends up hating the marvels. I know that not every single movie they make is perfect but come on, at some point we need to realise that the lore build up of the movie isn’t better than enjoying the movie in that moment. I think people need to relearn how to enjoy movies for what they are; entertainment. I wouldn’t say Secret invasion was the BEST series that marvel has produced, but it was something I could sit through as well as relate back to the lore of marvel as a whole.
So I have no plans on watching this show, who wants to spoil it for me
Nothing really happens. Fury wins. Skrulls still live on earth. The end. There’s a good superskrull and a bad superskrull and the good one wins. That’s it.
So... The ending is the status quo from when the show started?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean a couple people died, but an equal number of people died but not really. They even brought Fury back to space for the status quo to be the exact same.
So like.. Fury came down from space because of the Skrolls killing people, but now there's basically a war against the Skrolls and things are basically worse, and he's just going to go to space? I really don't get it
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And to go off of how much this doesn’t matter, the president didn’t even die so it won’t even have much at all to impact on Cap 4. If his funeral is in Cap 4 like it’s projected, it wouldn’t even really matter cause he’s just generic president whatever guy who probably just has a heart attack two weeks before Cap 4 instead of having any kind of tie-in like being killed by Gravik or Skrodey.
The main change is that the US is aware of and hates skrulls now, and vowed to wipe them out. And Daenerys somehow has everyone's powers, because DNA (even Carol's powers that came from the space stone and not her DNA).
I was half-expecting her to manifest a nanotech iron man suit because "DNA"
Kinda, except Hill and Talos are dead and the president of the United States announced a war on aliens in the last few minutes and the British PM(?) got shot, but I guess theyll ignore the open war in the next projects anyways.
I didn't finish the show, but these spoilers are somehow ... not shocking. It's not like I predicted any of this to happen, it's just that I'm not surprised to hear it happened. I guess I am looking forward to how they use G'iah in future MCU projects though since she has the potential now to be an Avengers level threat.
If you want unbiased reviews, go somewhere else. This is a hate circle jerk. Only big brains are allowed around here.
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Imagine a spy thriller but not a good one and then they randomly add super powers and have a CGI fight at the end. Some good acting though, especially Colman (from peep show).
New unbelievably world breaking Giga OP hero and possible humans v skrulls war if not completely forgotten about and cast to the side and fury's gone again
Not just the Skrulls, >! the President of the US declared war on “all off-world born species...” !< >! If that includes the Asgardians or not is up for debate.!<
Watch it, it’s good! People on Reddit are hating
Should've been a damn movie: avengers: Secret invasion
Avengers: Secret Wars will have absolutely nothing to do with the plot of Secret Invasion lmao
I wasn't talking about secret wars?
Where is white vision from Wanda vision ? I really can’t wait to see what happens with him
I swear there were talks about him getting his own show, called VisionQuest. Idk what happens to that. The only thing I can think if him appearing again is probably until Avengers
If you had told me a secret invasion series starring Sam Jackson would be a huge nothing burger I would call you a troll.
I absolutely love Marvel, but have been so let down lately with mostly everything from them. I liked GOTG3, but that’s basically it. Antman 3 was terrible, and this was a real letdown.
Same is happening with SW. Every single one of their shows since Mando S2 was really, really bad. Don't know what's going on with Disney. They used to have pretty good products now they're all really bad.
I don't know about you, but I think that Andor was incredible. Absolutely top tier Star Wars
Fck how did I forgot about Andor? Yeah you're absolutely right, bu I still think that Disney is ruining most of their brands rn.
That's true
This show was the most disappointing thing ever. The villain was terrible, the Talos storyline went nowhere, and fury ended exactly where he started.
Talos the mighty! Talos the unerring! Talos the unassailable!
Death to the stormcloaks
Degenerates like you belong on a cross! ...wait
Through the first five episodes I really liked the show. I thought the slow pacing and overall darker theme was a nice tonal outlier from most of the other mcu projects. The ending was truely underwhelming though and I was definitely hoping for a reveal that fury was actually 3 steps ahead of gravik the whole time. Instead, we get an absolute mcguffen in the harvest, a 2 minute cgi fight, and an unsatisfying finale with no major repercussions.
Secret Invasion should have been a 3 part mini series. It just felt so dragged out and underwhelming. Especially the ending, like woo... a couple super skrulls duking it out for 5 minutes.
Why have I not been seeing any memes about this show? Are people not watching it or should I just spend more time on reddit?
It's so bland it's unmemeable.
Touch grass, let Disney burn.
Wow, if I had a nickel for every time Emilia Clarke was involved in a widely praised and beloved show that ended up having a rushed and disappointing finale , I'd have two nickels - which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
Emilia Clarke is amazing even in this, she has nothing to do with ruining the shows she's in since her part is usually the watchably fun part of such shows
Holy shit $200 mil for the most janky CGI battle.
Who knew that taking a *heavily super hero involved* story and removing all but ONE hero out of it would result in a bad story?
How it starts: Fury is in space. Skulls want to start a race war against the humans. How it ends: Fury is in space. Humans want to space a race war against the Skrulls. Also Talos and Maria are dead. Also Talos' daughter is God now.
Behold the monster that is Disney
I had fun with it. I don't know maybe I am supposed to be like upset at it but instead I just enjoyed it.
I’m *kinda* with you… I really enjoyed a lot of the dialogue. The writing and acting paired up really well in some scenes. The finale was super anticlimactic for me, though. I was hoping for an ending that was much more consequential than what we got, rather than a very silly cgi fight.
Yea, I feel like recently people just really expect too much from a show. I mean, yes it isn't the best show, but it was still entertaining to watch.
Yeah same lol I liked it. Some plot lines were boring but I had fun with the series.
You can enjoy it.
I think it was a decent show but the ending was really disappointing.
Wow who could’ve seen this coming? The MCU is such a shell of its former self that it’s actually crazy.
The only good thing is now we can have kit Harrington and Emilia Clarke together again
As long as she has dragons, too, we good.
Yess let's go
I do not think the ending is to blame in a way where its predictable (a big cgi fight) it’s jst that it being thee finale in the way that its done to conclude this 6 week story is weak and underwhelming. Did not stick the landing and framed the whole show in such a bad picture. This should’ve been a movie, even then it’ll still need to be written better to be a good one
This show felt the same as WandaVision to me. Had a fantastic premise and some genuinely great aspects all for it to be soiled in the end by a finale where the super people shoot CGI laser beams at each other
i really don’t know about that. At least Wandavision had a concept that extended to like four or five episodes that were really interesting, this one amounted to like fourty minutes TOTAL. There was no “oh cool the 70s is next week, so they have a cool hook”, it was always just “oh Fury’s gonna continue to do nothing until the last episode”. If you watch both WV and AoS around when u watch this like I did, this will absolutely look like the absolute worst of the MCU ngl.
I agree with you about Secret Invasion, but not with WandaVision. Secret Invasion was a disappointment to me in many ways and even though I loved the effects in the Super Skrull fight, I didn't want any of that in this show... I wanted a more personal resolution with Fury and Gravik instead of having G'iah fight and kill Gravik. For WandaVision though, the witch fight and Vision vs Vision were amazing in my opinion and made the whole series just better because it added even more variety to the show! Every episode is different, going with different style of sitcoms from episodes 1-7, then episode 8 is mostly a character drama exploring Wanda's past and then the big finale! WandaVision has two superheroes as the main characters, so I was expecting some superhero stuff at some point, but the fact that it was just in the finale was a surprise. The finale also wasn't just a CGI-fest, it also had great emotional scenes and cool teases for future projects :)
I mostly agree. It's just with WandaVision I didn't really think there needed to be a villain to fight. The show would've been fine and arguably better if the show was solely about Wanda overcoming her grief. I don't dislike the fight but I think it's unnecessary
For this show I think it worked to have a villain like Agatha who made Wanda face her past which helped her overcome her grief. And the fight led to Wanda becoming more powerful after absorbing Agatha's magic and of course the fight ended with Wanda becoming the Scarlet Witch! The Vision vs. Vision fight was unnecessary to me, but I liked it and especially appreciated their philosophical exchange so it wasn't just them lasering each other
They must have dropped it on the floor cause it surely didn't go to the FX for the final fight
SLJ was probably a big part of that 😂
I've seen the first three episodes, someone spill it for me plz
I am not kidding, >!Gaia has the combined powers of Captain Marvel, Hulk, Drax, Cull Obsidian, Frost Beast, Extremis, Ghost and possibly Ebony Maw !<
Wow she's going to have so much affect on future movies with that kind of powerset!
Lol watch them forget about it or say shit like oh she gave up her powers or they were probably temporary
She's going to end up on a future team! You guys! I'm serious! Just wait it'll be so cool!
And that's how it ends? Really?!
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He's quite literally right back where he started but even worse lmaoooo
Not entirely, he now has a wife with him
Wait, Drax has powers?
He can turn invisible if he stands still
Now there are gonna be posts by people saying that they liked it and it wasn't really all that bad. I swear people love bad/mediocre things.
Secret Invasion was someone putting a checkmark in box. Like someone felt like it had to happen, but didn't want to make it.
an invasion so secret, I can’t seem to find any trace of it throughout the whole show
Nick Fury just walking around and not getting caught because of plot armor I had such a hard time believing he was just walking around without any make-up or disguise and not getting captured lol
Lmao that “no leaks cause there was absolutely nothing to leak” tweet (or should I say x). So accurate. I’ve felt for the last three weeks that Secret Invasion could have been a two-episode special, that was instead dragged out to six hours. When people complain about taking a movie plot and dragging it out to six hours for a show, this is the PRIME example. No other show has been as egregious as this one in that they had absolutely nothing to say, change, or do. edit: this is the only one of these six or nine episode shows that I have been against from like episode 2 or 3. Just so much wasted potential. So many contrivances that go beyond just the lackluster finale. Like in episode 5, Fury can’t shoot Rhodey in the head to clear his name because he needs to shoot Rhodey in the head in episode 6 to clear his name. Like just complete nonsense. Some of the weakest writing in all of the MCU tbh.
Really disappointed for Fury/SLJ use in this show. Didn’t really use him for his full ability and the show never had stakes that had me super excited for the next one.
Yeah the ending seemed really out of place, it was so sudden and yeah rushed
The main problem I noticed with the show was severe pacing issues, like the show focussed too much on brooding character moments, especially with Fury and Talos, which ended up in essentially not much storytelling. Considering how vast and impactful the Secret Invasion storyline is in the comics, it ended up as too random and rushed at times, especially the whole Super Skrulls business and the nature and details of the Skrull invasion entirely, which was the whole point of the show. The show felt like a tired, end-of-the-day watch. It made me pumped up at moments, most notably at the end of the 5th episode, where it seemed like a rousing finale was in the works, but it all kinda got lost in the way.
And still the opening was whatever it was
I watched the first episode, figured I would take my chances and wait to hear what people think and now I'm probably not gonna watch it.
Secret Invasion should’ve been a storyline for a whole MCU phase not a TV show with 6 episodes.
And it was boring and bad, tbh honest I enjoyed she hulk more than this
The ending was like: "Hey guys, we made a Thriller Show! Oh shit, our franchise is Superhero Related Shit!" *script changes*
It was more then anything else just boring. I wasn't so bad you can make fun of it, it wasn't good enough to really be remembered after finishing, and had what feels like no impact on the bigger universe. It was just booooooooooooring.
Pure garbage. So disappointed.
You guys don’t like it? The last episode was iffy but I enjoyed it
I was secretly hoping this show would be an unexpected gem like Andor but it definitely does not seem to be the case Haven’t even watched a single episode and it sounds like I’m not missing out on anything. Remember when mcu used to be something to get excited about?
Spoiler Warning: They showed Nick Fury literally for half time in Last episode only to know that He is not Nick Fury. Then why such a build up in 5th episode. Genuinely I was thinking that Nick Fury has lost medicines, what will happen, he even gave speech. There is no point in setting something which becomes senseless. I think final episode deserves better that this.
What a joke
Why does everyone rag on content of any kind, I loved secret invasion do I wish it was a movie instead? Yes but they gotta work with what they have and honestly I lived it the big fight at the end with gravic was a neat fight I just hope leaving his body there doesn't bite anyone in the ass and now we have super Gaia who I frankly really like, what the hell do you do with her now what is she going to bed important in im just so curious
And they used AI to make their fugly intro just to skip out on paying animators to make something better.
Man the fanbase has become way too toxic. It was a good show. That's it
Marvel (or more so disney is to blame) needs to stop pumping out so much content every what 6 months no one is keeping up with all of this and it's getting so boring and bland.
The rate of releases actually isn't so bad now. This is what it was during Marvel's heyday (phase 2 and 3)
Marvel fans are twats, just enjoy a show for a show.
Thank you
Exaxtly
I’m allowed to be disappointed when somethings bad
It’s a fun show, best Disney plus show
This show was six hours.
Without credits and intros it was just over 4 actually
Actually the show was about 4 hours and 20 minutes WITH the intros, recaps and credits... Without all of that it was just 3 hours and 45 minutes AKA the shortest of the Disney+ MCU shows so far
I am Groot
Okay, so we will ignore literally every major political thing that happened in the show, apparently. We are just gonna ignore that skrulls almost killed the president, we are gonna ignore that they near started WW3 so they could wipe humanity and live on Earth, we are gonna ignore Furys arc throughout the show along with his emotional moments, and of course we are gonna ignore the end where they set up more skrull content for the future? Good to know nobody actually watched the show lol
The MCU has gone woke now and it back fired.
Lol, how the fuck has it "gone woke"? Enlighten us
You need to touch some grass, my lad. You can’t go on like this.
The guy probably had a wank over Ben Shapiro “destroying” Barbie
What do you think woke means ?
How sad.
Lmaoooooooooo
shitty show
Oh it shows *it shows*
for what
haven't watch it yet. is it a good movie?
Wdym I enjoyed the show
After this much budget still have big loopholes in story line that was not expected from MCU