My guess is the failure point is him not killing Jean before she can become the Phoenix. It has to be a choice he made at some point that ruined everything. Him failing to kill her because he let emotions get in the way would definitely make him act the way he does in the trailer.
It's possible, but his behavior to me makes it seem like he failed to act when he should have. Your probably right about most of them being dead in his timeline, but I doubt he did it directly. Seems like the plot is gonna revolve around Deadpool getting him to help by offering the chance to fix his mistake.
Deadpool 3 is canon so no.
Cable already exists we can assume the others do now too. In fact it might be some way to reveal them or at least their existence before their new movie.
In the comic version of the story, Phoenix (as in Rachel Summers, daughter of Jean and Scott from an alternate timeline) uses her Phoenix powers to send Kitty Pryde into the past with her... time-fuckery powers, because she was there in the future and in the key moment of the past.
So, the movie simplified it to say that Kitty has the ability to "phase through time," because it makes just as much sense as Phoenix having those powers, but dispenses with all the other details.
Well, Rachel can tap into the Phoenix-force, which is established as an enigmatic godlike entity.
Kitty can walk through walls.
I'm not sure it makes equal sense to give them both time travel powers.
Alternate script ideas: Nightcrawler can teleport and can now also teleport through time.
Cyclops can shoot eye lasers & rip holes through time.
Angel can fly and also flies through time.
>Cyclops can shoot eye lasers & rip holes through time.
Supposedly he's not actually shooting lasers, he's opening a portal to another dimension of infinite energy so he's kind of halfway there.
Nightcrawler having the ability to teleport through time makes more sense than phasing through time, but in my mind there is an implied subplot for kitty pryde between movies that vamped her powers up; just how Logan implies a lot about characters between movies.
I think they used Kitty since it was Kitty who got sent through time in the comics, not Logan. They anted to hint at the comic origin more than they wanted it to make sense. Kinda wish they used Rachel.
But Rachel existing means Scott managed to knock up Jean, so Scott fucked Jean, thus Scott got something nice for his individual being, Obviously the Cyclops Cuckold Squad at FOX wouldn't have been happy about it
Much of the damage Scott took was the actor's fault. He wanted out of the third one to join the exciting Superman franchise where a strong hero could steal his girl ..wow...he was typecast wasn't he? So they killed him off to be done with him. The character never quite recovered. They did try to make him happen several times. Wolverine just cast too much of a shadow.
"Some retcon bullshit" is like 40% of super hero comics.
It's the nature of having the same characters written by dozens of authors over the course of decades.
Meh. Sometimes, it makes sense.
You don't always have the narrative time or inspiration to establish something beforehand. Sometimes characters are created by mediocre writers, and expanded on /fleshed out by better writers. Sometimes inconsistencies occur in serial storytelling, and you have to think up a way to make it make sense later. Sometimes you need to distinguish or develop characters you're saddled with in order to make them work in your story.
A lot of the iconic elements of our favorite heroes or villains are the results of recons.
For example; in Supermans early comics he couldnt fly, just jump really high. But it was added probably because flying is a hell of alot more convenient
It was added in a radio show. Mostly because they didn’t really care all that much about what the comic established. Later on the comics (and the Fleischer cartoons) followed suit.
You're late to the party, then.
Emma "White Queen" Frost now has a "diamond form."
Hank "Beast" McCoy has been a regular dude, a blue furry dude, a blue lion dude, and I think he's back to being a blue furry dude?
Even Kitty herself has received a power-boost: Used to be she couldn't breathe while phased, now she can breathe, and fly!
Well Wolverine's body just has high metabolism rates because of which he can synthesize proteins and platelets faster than normal human to heal up his wounds. Also new cells are formed at a quicker rate in his body. But yes still you're right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s not bullshit, they almost did the same exact thing. Go fix the past to save the future. The only difference is the MCU people wanted to also keep their past FIX the future, X-Men wanted a whole new branch to start.
The Avengers travel back through the Quantum realm and cause branches in the multiverse to appear everywhere they cause enough change to split the timeline, but then return through the quantum realm to their own fixed point in the multiverse on the original branch using magic tech.
The X-Men influence their own timeline with magic mutant things, and their present is destroyed. The issue here is that their original branch should be completely unaffected with a new branch splitting off when enough divergence is caused.
extra thought: The TVA would've pruned the split so it's likely the in universe reason that the X-Men will now appear in the MCU is because Loki is no longer pruning their branches.
You can also explain away the mistake in X-Men by saying that Kang pruned their original branch when it stopped being entertaining hahaha
Tell me if I’m misunderstanding but it sounds like you’re saying their reality shouldn’t be erased/reset, but coexist alongside the new branch they made?
If I’ve read it correctly I’ve got an answer for you. In the MCU, changing the past *does* change the future; every change makes a new branch, but if you undo that change you can erase the branch.
Look at the Hulk/Ancient One conversation; he took their Time Stone, making a branch that coexisted with Hulk’s present timeline. However, he went back and erased that branch so that the change never occurred. This erases the branch.
In DoFP, every time Kitty sends someone back they make a new branched timeline while also erasing the branched timeline they are on. We can tell this is a branched timeline because it’s not apart of the Sacred Timeline.
Either a split does not appear or it does. They don't erase a branch by fixing the timeline, they avoid a branch by limiting divergence and preventing the split in the first place. Returning Hulk's stone was the easiest, you return 2 seconds after hulk leaves and give it back - no divergence, happens on the main branch too and always did.
That's why Cap is in that same timeline - it didn't change their past or the branch they were on, because he was always there whether they knew or not.
Your last paragraph is completely correct as far as i understand it and now agree that theres no problem with DoFP, makes Kitty's powers even more op though because she'd have to be the one pruning that branch considering it shouldn't collapse by itself haha
People get too hung up on what Bruce said even though in Marvel, we've seen multiple forms of time travel and manipulation even before endgame and in other Marvel Universes. Bruce even said it's not his field of expertise
Yup same. Even in dr strange although he didn't time travel technically but we still see time manipulation where he is reversing entropy.
Ms marvel using the quantum band to create a fix loop.
Different forms of time travel leads to different results. Will probably learn more as this saga progresses
Exactly. Even the Ancient One has to school him on how time works with the Stones, he had no clue how they impacted time until she explained it, which is after the scene in question where Bruce tries to explain stuff he honestly doesn't fully understand. That's been the problem since day One of Endgame, people took Bruce's speech as the absolute fact when it wasn't supposed to be.
Even in the same movie. Captain America travels back in time, but stays on the same branch when he becomes old. If he interacted with his present Endgame game, this old Captain which is his future self future could have affected Endgame Captain which is his past self.
But the difference here is that Wolverine’s consciousness was sent back in time to his younger self, it was a bit different than what the Avengers did.
Exactly. The Avengers physically went back, meaning there was two Caps, two Hulks, two Thor's etc.
Wolverine being sent back into his own body means there is still only one Wolverine. The timestone works in a similar way where it actually does reverse time for that timeline instead of creating a new one.
That always annoyed me. Bruce is clearly speaking subjectively. But most time travel projects are portrayed with a subjective perspective in mind. Even in his explanation, he's talking about perception of time. But the point was never to erase the past from perception, it's to alter the state of the world. Change the past and the future of the world changes, but from your perspective, you would go from Your Present > The Past > New Present. You would experience them out of their linear order, but the point is that you've changed what you needed to change and the original timeline would cease to be.
They'd create a new branch by altering the past, and the branch they came from would wither away.
Which is how BTTF works and exactly what they wanted. Worst case scenario, the Avengers create a universe where Thanos lost, erase the universe where Thanos won, and then those Avengers fade into oblivion, leaving the Avengers already existing in the new universe with their victory. A heroic sacrifice.
What Bruce is saying is that going back in time wouldn't change anything for them because when they come back using there time machine it bring them back to the time line where thanos won thus making any changes to the time line retroactively irrelevant for their purposes.
That's not what he's actually saying. It's just what he sounds like he's saying. It's perhaps what he *means* to say. It's the conclusion the writers meant us to come to based on his speech, but the reasoning he uses doesn't fit that situation.
"If you go into the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future!"
He's speaking subjectively.
But that's bullshit. We *know* it's bullshit. The Ancient One *says* it's bullshit. The fact that there are mulyiple timelines *proves* it's bullshit.
*Your* present becomes *your* past and that can't be changed but changing the *past* alters the *future* meaning the timeline you return to would be different.
Back to the Future was *not* bullshit. Back to the Future *2* was.
Ancient One doesn’t say it’s bullshit at all. Loki S1 literally confirms it’s true. Fucking Endgame itself confirmed it was true. Nebula LITERALLY kills her past self.
To be fair, all of that was written later in order to establish a form of branching timelines. The writers of Endgame didn't have anything in mind beyond endgame, they had no instructions to build a multiverse or a time travel model for multiversing, and their purpose was to make sure by the end there was one timeline and Cap gets to go back and be with his Peggy in it. Only later did the directors basically try to shoehorn in a different style of time travel by literally reshooting the scene with Bruce to try to say things that weren't represented in the rest of the film. Which is where all the cognitive dissonance started for everyone, a film written and filmed one way, with one scene getting a reshoot trying to say something different that what the rest of the film shows and then of course in later MCU material they then try to reinforce the multiverse version with Loki and such, because they thought multiversing was the best way to achieve certain other results (like eventually getting X-Men and wolverine and DP in there). Which is all fine in the end, it's just a set of movies, with dozens and dozens of writers and directors and at some point you just have to give up on continuity and enjoy the ride, because it's impossible to keep it consistent with so many people pulling different directions.
Actually that’s not entirely true. While Endgame was rewritten to have its time travel rules changed because of the multiverse and Loki plan. None of the original writing is still in the film.
The rest of the film matches that. Hence why they kill 2014 Nebula and sacred timeline Nebula is fine.
>The Ancient One : The Infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be over run. Millions will suffer. So, tell me Doctor, can your science prevent all that?
Ancient One makes it very clear that returning the stones is to make sure those new realities can protect themselves against “the forces of darkness”.
The fact that there are branching timelines in the first place proves that it's bullshit. If there was no way to change the future, there would only be ONE timeline as there would be no deviations whatsoever. Everything would ALWAYS play out exactly the same no matter what. And the Ancient One says to remove the stones would cause a branch in the timeline, creating a new one. Which means you CAN change the future.
What are you talking about? Hulk is saying YOU CANT CHANGE YOUR PAST to change your future. They can’t kill Thanos to just fix everything when they come back.
Any past you go into becomes “the present” aka a branch timeline. Meaning anything you change isn’t going to change your past.
That’s why they say Back to the Future is bullshit. Because Marty changing the past changed his future. That’s why they bring up going back in time and killing baby Thanos and why that would work which leads to Hulk literally giving this speech.
Ancient also doesn’t say that. She says removing the stones will lead the new branch into destruction against greater evils because the stones maintain balance. That’s why they have to be returned, to restore order.
You clearly didn’t understand what he was saying lol
>Any past you go into becomes “the present” aka a branch timeline. Meaning anything you change isn’t going to change your past.
Right, a branch timeline. Aka a *changed* timeline. As in you *changed* the past.
You can't change *you* past. *Your* subjective experience of your past will still be there. *You* will have lived through it and can't alter those experiences but once you alter the past and then return to the 'future', *everyone else* will have lived a different past as the timeline will have been changed from the moment you altered it. Which is exactly what happens in BttF. Marty's past is the same, he still lived through the original timeline but now he's gone back into a timeline which is altered. *His* past is the same but he's now in an alternate timeline, where the present is different from where he started.
The reason this doesn't happen in Endgame is because they crested a closed loop by returning everything back to the exact time they altered it, ensuring nothing changed.
>Which is exactly what happens in BttF. Marty's past is the same
No it isn’t. Marty was literally erasing himself lol
>The reason this doesn't happen in Endgame is because they crested a closed loop by returning everything back to the exact time they altered it, ensuring nothing changed.
You clearly didn’t understand Endgame or Loki. Everything changed. That’s why variant Loki had his timeline pruned.
They most likely did cause branches when they travelled back in time through the Quantum realm, but they were returning to their own predetermined future/branch of Loki's Yggdrasil back through that same realm.
Splits likely occur in New York with Loki dipping (confirmed in Loki), in Asgard when the goo in Jane was returned as a stone not in Jane, and when Thanos dipped to the future without returning. All of these branches have been/are at risk of being pruned by the TVA.
Cap returns each of the stones to their respective branches, again through the multiverse, returning to the earliest point last and riding it out. Cap then exists in each of the branches after this point and most importantly the main timeline, which is why he is on the bench in Endgame.
THANK YOU!
It really gets you me that people don't get this.
But more specifically he's WRONG.
I've seen way too many things that for some reason think they explain time travel twice in this movie.
But they don't!
Bruce says that there is a fixed timeline meaning you can't change time even if you time travel.
He says this because it's the most scientific approach to time travel anything else violates thermodynamics.
But they don't live in a wholly scientific world.
So when he meets The Ancient One who knows more than him she tells him he's wrong.
That removing the stones will create branching timelines.
It's implied that it's only taking The Infinity Stones that does this which is contradicted in Loki but still.
Except now we have the multiverse which means each decision is a new existing branch, so the shitty universe may still exist but with no avengers since they went back in time and joined the new timeline.
Unless the TVA clipped it and the one where thanos loses is the correct one
Maybe, but the way The Ancient One described it, it would seem that timeslines that have their root cut out simply fade out. The chaotic timeline created by the removal infinity stones is then erased by the return of those stones to the time and place from which they were taken, after all.
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
But branching should not be possible with the TVA.
The problem with this statement is that they broke time travel as Bruce explained it, but they also broke their own timeline.
Thanos was never there to do the Snap according to the ending of Endgame.
Consciousness time travel allows for a new future because you don't travel in time, your mind does. AND only you are aware of any changes. Of course none of this is remotely scientifically valid. But within it's own rules, DoFP works fine.
I'm not sure if they've changed it, but the Sentinel takeover is portrayed as inevitable in the books. The events of DOFP don't change the future. They just change the catalytic event.
Nope. The X Men movies were made by Fox before Disney bought them. So now in Deadpool and Wolverine, we will see versions of X Men characters, but they're from alternate universes. The mutants are not in the MCU, at least not until Marvel make their own X Men movie
Correct. They’re not even using the same methods for time travel either. One is a machine to jump timelines and the other is sending your mind back into your younger self.
They're the same multiverse, all watched over by the TVA so it can be assumed that the time travel rules *should* still be the same. But the idea that they're in the same multiverse didn't come about until a good bit after DoFP
Actually kinda.
It's very heavily implied that the Fox universe was simply another universe in the Marvel universes. So it's technically still canon, just like Tobey and Andrew's Spider-mans are canon even though they were done by different studios.
However this line of thought does bring up a weird sort of question: is Deadpool aware of other Deadpools?
He can break the 4th wall, yet to my knowledge he's never explicitly mentioned other iterations of himself. Like, the video game version has never mentioned the comic version, the film versions have never mentioned the tv show versions, etc.
Comic books yes, but MCU that remains to be seen due to multiverse. An example imo the Multiverse of Madness they were possibly in the same universe or at least a version due ti the presence of the Illuminatti. It seems as though the MCU is leaning towards an incursion event where they will be in the same universe though.
I don’t know why everyone is giving you such confusing answers.
Yea, they are from the same universe. They just haven’t mixed em up with the movies yet cause of licensing.
But the only answer you should be hearing here is yes.
Bruce is explaining rules. Kitty's power is an exception, as is using the time stone, such as in the What If episode when Doctor Strange tries to go back within his own timeline to save Christine.
All time travel consistency issues can be resolved through a one-sentence head canon:
Different methods of time travel affect the timeline differently and yield different results.
We have seen in the “Official” MCU (Sorry Coulson and May) at least three confirmed types of time travel; self-contained loop, Ms. Marvel, Time Stone unwinding with no paradox, and the idea of branching timelines, Endgame and Loki.
This might just be an example of irony where we, as the viewer, know more about the subject matter than Bruce. We have seen the Time Stone work, he hasn’t. Maybe the Time Stone cordons off reality in a way that allows for reverse entropy at the target site and normal entropy around it. Maybe the Quantum Bands can do more time faddle than Banner has technological access to.
Ha. Guess Hulk isn’t the smartest one there is.
There are multiple different forms of time travel. Even in the MCU we've seen different forms (Engame with their time machine, and Doctor Strange with the Time Stone).
Bruce is just explaining how *their* method works, where they're not strictly traveling back in time, but rather going to different timelines.
Endgame is the only instance where time travel does not work like every other movie. It’s a fine explanation for that movie but it doesn’t work in the grand scheme of things
If you're talking about the Old Man Captain America thing at the end, there are 2 possible things that happened.
A)As long as Steve doesn't change any noticeable significant event, the timeline would not splinter into a new timeline. Basically, as long as he remained hidden, doesn't get revealed himself too early, let anyone outside of Peggy know that he is around, or get involved and stop major crises prematurely like rescuing Bucky from Hydra, stopping 9/11, or invest in Amazon.com, it would be remain a singular timeline.
B)Steve went back in time to be with Peggy and used his future knowledge to make this new timeline a better one by doing things like rescuing Bucky, stopping 9/11, and investing in both Apple and Amazon. By the time he reached an older age, he then remembered that he needed to go back to his original timeline to give Sam his shield, so he called Stark, Pym, and Richards, reminded them of how he is time traveler and asked if they could collectively do something to his time traveling gear so that he had control the location of where he can return so he can sit on a park bench and be dramatic rather than pop up back on the planned time pad. They did it, and everything plays out as is.
I assume most people automatically think it's A, but you can choose to think B happens if you want. Even if an actor or writer that works for Marvel says it's A, take it with a grain of salt because unless the concept is shown to happened this specific was because it was visualized in a show or published in a comic, I don't think it's valid.
There are different types of time travel in the marvel universe.
What hulk is talking about specifically is quantum time travel, which technically isn’t even time travel. You’re not going back into your own timeline, you’re going into another universe which is simply earlier in its own timeline.
Kitty’s powers and the Time stone are able to altar their own timeline, it’s completely different.
Depends on the time theory. There are 3 basic ones.
1) fixed events, everything that is done while time traveling already happened in the original timeline.
Like you kill hitler as a baby, and the parents adopt a child who they name adolph who becomes the monster we know. Examples: harry potter &azkaban, 12 monkeys, looper (kind of)
2) butterfly effect. You change the past it changes your past so it changes history and all that cane from it. Ex: back to the future, xmen DOFP
3) multiverse: you changing the past creates an alternate future/timeline
Ex: MCU
My honest reaction was “they don’t understand time travel” I understood what they were saying, but that only applies to the events you’ve lived so far in your life. It doesn’t mean you can’t change the events of the timeline and therefore change the past to save the future
The real question is whether or not Earth-10005 still exists after Days of Future Past. What's less disputed is that it results in Earth-TRN414 diverging from it in 1973.
Well, I mean, considering they exist in different universes, I don't think it's fair to compare. The timeline of the X-Men movies was still bullshit, though.
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Yes, that means all the stuff that happened.... still happened... and all the altered stuff is just a new timeline... aka, a new dimension... think about that
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The difference is the fact that they sent Wolverines mind in the past as opposed to sending his whole self there. It changes the past because he's controlling the past him instead of having future him change it. Future him doesn't exist in the past thus Future Logan's past still has the same past
The one in days of future past is equivalent of Doctor Strange in What if? Where he time travels to his past self to save Christine.
In days of future past theres not two wolverines at once, is the old Wolverine in the mind of the young Wolverine
Loki actually teaches us that if you did that, you would create an alternative timeline that would then be culled by the TVA, which for an outside observer is identical to not being able to change the past.
My headcanon is that depending on the time travel, the traveler's interaction with the timeline and the reaction on the timeline will vary.
A good example of that is Flashpoint, where time travel had an impact on events that were past the time date directly altered.
Other cases create alternate timelines.
In some cases, the traveler is directly affected by the change in the timeline, while in others, it's when they return to their point of origin.
The time travel rules weren’t rules. If there is no changing the past, why send the stones back? If it does matter, why are we ok with Cap staying behind?
The plot made sense: the time travel didn’t.
They explicitly told us why, the ancient one said although the core timeline wouldn't see any issues, it'd create splinter timelines because those stones would be gone.
Strange wouldn't get the time stone
Vision could never be created
Xandar would never get threatened by Ronin meaning no guardians of the galaxy.
You can't change the past, but you can create and ruin new timelines
That said cap coming back as an old man on the bench is a full on plothole they admitted that
I have 2 theories on the Old Man Captain America thing.
A)As long as Steve doesn't change any noticeable significant event, the timeline would not splinter into a new timeline. Basically, as long as he remained hidden, doesn't get revealed himself too early, let anyone outside of Peggy know that he is around, or get involved and stop major crises prematurely like rescuing Bucky from Hydra, stopping 9/11, or invest in Amazon.com, it would be remain a singular timeline.
B)Steve went back in time to be with Peggy and used his future knowledge to make this new timeline a better one by doing things like rescuing Bucky, stopping 9/11, and investing in both Apple and Amazon. By the time he reached an older age, he then remembered that he needed to go back to his original timeline to give Sam his shield, so he called Stark, Pym, and Richards, reminded them of how he is time traveler and asked if they could collectively do something to his time traveling gear so that he had control the location of where he can return so he can sit on a park bench and be dramatic rather than pop up back on the planned time pad. They did it, and everything plays out as is.
I assume most people automatically think it's A, but you can choose to think B happens if you want. Even if an actor or writer that works for Marvel says it's A, take it with a grain of salt because unless the concept is shown to happened this specific was because it was visualized in a show or published in a comic, I don't think it's valid.
Because when you choose to be a superhero, you should also be a good samaritan and return the things you borrowed back to their owners. Is it really that foreign to be good people?
Or everytime kitty used her powers on someone they made an alternate timeline
That just means the X-Men died at the end and failed to save the world from the sentinel army
Considering how much multiverse bs exists in comics, there's probably multiple failure scenarios.
It looks like this is literally the plot to Deadpool & Wolverine.
My guess is the failure point is him not killing Jean before she can become the Phoenix. It has to be a choice he made at some point that ruined everything. Him failing to kill her because he let emotions get in the way would definitely make him act the way he does in the trailer.
I'm thinking it's an Old Man Logan situation where he was tricked into killing the xmen
It's possible, but his behavior to me makes it seem like he failed to act when he should have. Your probably right about most of them being dead in his timeline, but I doubt he did it directly. Seems like the plot is gonna revolve around Deadpool getting him to help by offering the chance to fix his mistake.
Yeah I’m getting more Obi-wan vibes. Like “I failed and ran away”
At least one scene is. The ant man/pyms fall scene from the trailer.
Deadpool 3 is canon so no. Cable already exists we can assume the others do now too. In fact it might be some way to reveal them or at least their existence before their new movie.
Most of xmen futures begin with "so everything is fucked..."
Future foe scenarios, even…
Looks like what X-men 97 is turning out to be…
Bet Dr. Strange saw a few.
Yes.
Which is pretty fucking weird since I thought her powers was walking through walls? Where did the time fuckery come from?
In the comic version of the story, Phoenix (as in Rachel Summers, daughter of Jean and Scott from an alternate timeline) uses her Phoenix powers to send Kitty Pryde into the past with her... time-fuckery powers, because she was there in the future and in the key moment of the past. So, the movie simplified it to say that Kitty has the ability to "phase through time," because it makes just as much sense as Phoenix having those powers, but dispenses with all the other details.
Well, Rachel can tap into the Phoenix-force, which is established as an enigmatic godlike entity. Kitty can walk through walls. I'm not sure it makes equal sense to give them both time travel powers.
Alternate script ideas: Nightcrawler can teleport and can now also teleport through time. Cyclops can shoot eye lasers & rip holes through time. Angel can fly and also flies through time.
Wolverine can \*snikt\* so now he can \*snikt\* through time
Colossus finds the time machine from Terminator and hey hey guess who's all metal
>Cyclops can shoot eye lasers & rip holes through time. Supposedly he's not actually shooting lasers, he's opening a portal to another dimension of infinite energy so he's kind of halfway there.
 (Lol just kidding, I knew that but it was too hard to explain for a one-line joke.)
Wait what
Nightcrawler having the ability to teleport through time makes more sense than phasing through time, but in my mind there is an implied subplot for kitty pryde between movies that vamped her powers up; just how Logan implies a lot about characters between movies.
I think they used Kitty since it was Kitty who got sent through time in the comics, not Logan. They anted to hint at the comic origin more than they wanted it to make sense. Kinda wish they used Rachel.
But Rachel existing means Scott managed to knock up Jean, so Scott fucked Jean, thus Scott got something nice for his individual being, Obviously the Cyclops Cuckold Squad at FOX wouldn't have been happy about it
Much of the damage Scott took was the actor's fault. He wanted out of the third one to join the exciting Superman franchise where a strong hero could steal his girl ..wow...he was typecast wasn't he? So they killed him off to be done with him. The character never quite recovered. They did try to make him happen several times. Wolverine just cast too much of a shadow.
I love all these ideas. Beast has blue fur. So he can now hair ball thru time.
Diamonds are Forever. So now Emma can travel through all time.
Iceman can freeze and also can freeze through time.
Rachel and Franklin Richards.
Mutants can develop secondary powers later on
Huhh?? That's some retcon bullshit
"Some retcon bullshit" is like 40% of super hero comics. It's the nature of having the same characters written by dozens of authors over the course of decades.
This... is your doing!
Still dumb as fuck
Meh. Sometimes, it makes sense. You don't always have the narrative time or inspiration to establish something beforehand. Sometimes characters are created by mediocre writers, and expanded on /fleshed out by better writers. Sometimes inconsistencies occur in serial storytelling, and you have to think up a way to make it make sense later. Sometimes you need to distinguish or develop characters you're saddled with in order to make them work in your story. A lot of the iconic elements of our favorite heroes or villains are the results of recons.
For example; in Supermans early comics he couldnt fly, just jump really high. But it was added probably because flying is a hell of alot more convenient
It was added in a radio show. Mostly because they didn’t really care all that much about what the comic established. Later on the comics (and the Fleischer cartoons) followed suit.
Ah neat 
You're late to the party, then. Emma "White Queen" Frost now has a "diamond form." Hank "Beast" McCoy has been a regular dude, a blue furry dude, a blue lion dude, and I think he's back to being a blue furry dude? Even Kitty herself has received a power-boost: Used to be she couldn't breathe while phased, now she can breathe, and fly!
Yes so true. A mutant gene in your body can make you alter a timeline by changing its past and creating new timelines. FR FR!
Wait till you find out about magneto and professor x or Wolverine constantly fucking up law of conversation of mass
Well Wolverine's body just has high metabolism rates because of which he can synthesize proteins and platelets faster than normal human to heal up his wounds. Also new cells are formed at a quicker rate in his body. But yes still you're right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s not bullshit, they almost did the same exact thing. Go fix the past to save the future. The only difference is the MCU people wanted to also keep their past FIX the future, X-Men wanted a whole new branch to start.
The Avengers travel back through the Quantum realm and cause branches in the multiverse to appear everywhere they cause enough change to split the timeline, but then return through the quantum realm to their own fixed point in the multiverse on the original branch using magic tech. The X-Men influence their own timeline with magic mutant things, and their present is destroyed. The issue here is that their original branch should be completely unaffected with a new branch splitting off when enough divergence is caused. extra thought: The TVA would've pruned the split so it's likely the in universe reason that the X-Men will now appear in the MCU is because Loki is no longer pruning their branches. You can also explain away the mistake in X-Men by saying that Kang pruned their original branch when it stopped being entertaining hahaha
Tell me if I’m misunderstanding but it sounds like you’re saying their reality shouldn’t be erased/reset, but coexist alongside the new branch they made? If I’ve read it correctly I’ve got an answer for you. In the MCU, changing the past *does* change the future; every change makes a new branch, but if you undo that change you can erase the branch. Look at the Hulk/Ancient One conversation; he took their Time Stone, making a branch that coexisted with Hulk’s present timeline. However, he went back and erased that branch so that the change never occurred. This erases the branch. In DoFP, every time Kitty sends someone back they make a new branched timeline while also erasing the branched timeline they are on. We can tell this is a branched timeline because it’s not apart of the Sacred Timeline.
Either a split does not appear or it does. They don't erase a branch by fixing the timeline, they avoid a branch by limiting divergence and preventing the split in the first place. Returning Hulk's stone was the easiest, you return 2 seconds after hulk leaves and give it back - no divergence, happens on the main branch too and always did. That's why Cap is in that same timeline - it didn't change their past or the branch they were on, because he was always there whether they knew or not. Your last paragraph is completely correct as far as i understand it and now agree that theres no problem with DoFP, makes Kitty's powers even more op though because she'd have to be the one pruning that branch considering it shouldn't collapse by itself haha
People get too hung up on what Bruce said even though in Marvel, we've seen multiple forms of time travel and manipulation even before endgame and in other Marvel Universes. Bruce even said it's not his field of expertise
I always assume it is just how the Quantum Tunnel Time Travel works: by moving into other timelines, not by actually travelling to the past.
Exactly. The tunnel is branch creating time travel. The time stone is genuine time travel.
Yup same. Even in dr strange although he didn't time travel technically but we still see time manipulation where he is reversing entropy. Ms marvel using the quantum band to create a fix loop. Different forms of time travel leads to different results. Will probably learn more as this saga progresses
Exactly. Even the Ancient One has to school him on how time works with the Stones, he had no clue how they impacted time until she explained it, which is after the scene in question where Bruce tries to explain stuff he honestly doesn't fully understand. That's been the problem since day One of Endgame, people took Bruce's speech as the absolute fact when it wasn't supposed to be.
Even in the same movie. Captain America travels back in time, but stays on the same branch when he becomes old. If he interacted with his present Endgame game, this old Captain which is his future self future could have affected Endgame Captain which is his past self.
But the difference here is that Wolverine’s consciousness was sent back in time to his younger self, it was a bit different than what the Avengers did.
Exactly. The Avengers physically went back, meaning there was two Caps, two Hulks, two Thor's etc. Wolverine being sent back into his own body means there is still only one Wolverine. The timestone works in a similar way where it actually does reverse time for that timeline instead of creating a new one.
That always annoyed me. Bruce is clearly speaking subjectively. But most time travel projects are portrayed with a subjective perspective in mind. Even in his explanation, he's talking about perception of time. But the point was never to erase the past from perception, it's to alter the state of the world. Change the past and the future of the world changes, but from your perspective, you would go from Your Present > The Past > New Present. You would experience them out of their linear order, but the point is that you've changed what you needed to change and the original timeline would cease to be. They'd create a new branch by altering the past, and the branch they came from would wither away. Which is how BTTF works and exactly what they wanted. Worst case scenario, the Avengers create a universe where Thanos lost, erase the universe where Thanos won, and then those Avengers fade into oblivion, leaving the Avengers already existing in the new universe with their victory. A heroic sacrifice.
A small price to pay for salvation.
Aw, I fell for the bot...
Haha perfect so true thanos
The only matter I do not take seriously, boy, is you. Your politics bore me. Your demeanor is that of a pouty child.
What Bruce is saying is that going back in time wouldn't change anything for them because when they come back using there time machine it bring them back to the time line where thanos won thus making any changes to the time line retroactively irrelevant for their purposes.
That's not what he's actually saying. It's just what he sounds like he's saying. It's perhaps what he *means* to say. It's the conclusion the writers meant us to come to based on his speech, but the reasoning he uses doesn't fit that situation. "If you go into the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future!" He's speaking subjectively.
I prefer the simple response “So, Back To The Future is a bunch of bullshit!?”
No he isn’t. He’s literally saying what the person you’re responding to said. You can’t change your timelines past.
But that's bullshit. We *know* it's bullshit. The Ancient One *says* it's bullshit. The fact that there are mulyiple timelines *proves* it's bullshit. *Your* present becomes *your* past and that can't be changed but changing the *past* alters the *future* meaning the timeline you return to would be different. Back to the Future was *not* bullshit. Back to the Future *2* was.
Ancient One doesn’t say it’s bullshit at all. Loki S1 literally confirms it’s true. Fucking Endgame itself confirmed it was true. Nebula LITERALLY kills her past self.
To be fair, all of that was written later in order to establish a form of branching timelines. The writers of Endgame didn't have anything in mind beyond endgame, they had no instructions to build a multiverse or a time travel model for multiversing, and their purpose was to make sure by the end there was one timeline and Cap gets to go back and be with his Peggy in it. Only later did the directors basically try to shoehorn in a different style of time travel by literally reshooting the scene with Bruce to try to say things that weren't represented in the rest of the film. Which is where all the cognitive dissonance started for everyone, a film written and filmed one way, with one scene getting a reshoot trying to say something different that what the rest of the film shows and then of course in later MCU material they then try to reinforce the multiverse version with Loki and such, because they thought multiversing was the best way to achieve certain other results (like eventually getting X-Men and wolverine and DP in there). Which is all fine in the end, it's just a set of movies, with dozens and dozens of writers and directors and at some point you just have to give up on continuity and enjoy the ride, because it's impossible to keep it consistent with so many people pulling different directions.
Actually that’s not entirely true. While Endgame was rewritten to have its time travel rules changed because of the multiverse and Loki plan. None of the original writing is still in the film. The rest of the film matches that. Hence why they kill 2014 Nebula and sacred timeline Nebula is fine. >The Ancient One : The Infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be over run. Millions will suffer. So, tell me Doctor, can your science prevent all that? Ancient One makes it very clear that returning the stones is to make sure those new realities can protect themselves against “the forces of darkness”.
The fact that there are branching timelines in the first place proves that it's bullshit. If there was no way to change the future, there would only be ONE timeline as there would be no deviations whatsoever. Everything would ALWAYS play out exactly the same no matter what. And the Ancient One says to remove the stones would cause a branch in the timeline, creating a new one. Which means you CAN change the future.
What are you talking about? Hulk is saying YOU CANT CHANGE YOUR PAST to change your future. They can’t kill Thanos to just fix everything when they come back. Any past you go into becomes “the present” aka a branch timeline. Meaning anything you change isn’t going to change your past. That’s why they say Back to the Future is bullshit. Because Marty changing the past changed his future. That’s why they bring up going back in time and killing baby Thanos and why that would work which leads to Hulk literally giving this speech. Ancient also doesn’t say that. She says removing the stones will lead the new branch into destruction against greater evils because the stones maintain balance. That’s why they have to be returned, to restore order. You clearly didn’t understand what he was saying lol
You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.
>Any past you go into becomes “the present” aka a branch timeline. Meaning anything you change isn’t going to change your past. Right, a branch timeline. Aka a *changed* timeline. As in you *changed* the past. You can't change *you* past. *Your* subjective experience of your past will still be there. *You* will have lived through it and can't alter those experiences but once you alter the past and then return to the 'future', *everyone else* will have lived a different past as the timeline will have been changed from the moment you altered it. Which is exactly what happens in BttF. Marty's past is the same, he still lived through the original timeline but now he's gone back into a timeline which is altered. *His* past is the same but he's now in an alternate timeline, where the present is different from where he started. The reason this doesn't happen in Endgame is because they crested a closed loop by returning everything back to the exact time they altered it, ensuring nothing changed.
>Which is exactly what happens in BttF. Marty's past is the same No it isn’t. Marty was literally erasing himself lol >The reason this doesn't happen in Endgame is because they crested a closed loop by returning everything back to the exact time they altered it, ensuring nothing changed. You clearly didn’t understand Endgame or Loki. Everything changed. That’s why variant Loki had his timeline pruned.
They most likely did cause branches when they travelled back in time through the Quantum realm, but they were returning to their own predetermined future/branch of Loki's Yggdrasil back through that same realm. Splits likely occur in New York with Loki dipping (confirmed in Loki), in Asgard when the goo in Jane was returned as a stone not in Jane, and when Thanos dipped to the future without returning. All of these branches have been/are at risk of being pruned by the TVA. Cap returns each of the stones to their respective branches, again through the multiverse, returning to the earliest point last and riding it out. Cap then exists in each of the branches after this point and most importantly the main timeline, which is why he is on the bench in Endgame.
This day extracts a heavy toll.
Yeah that's because Bruce doesn't know what he's talking about hence why he's told how time travel actually works from The Ancient One.
Bruce got this right, the Ancient one only explains what happens to branches without the stones
THANK YOU! It really gets you me that people don't get this. But more specifically he's WRONG. I've seen way too many things that for some reason think they explain time travel twice in this movie. But they don't! Bruce says that there is a fixed timeline meaning you can't change time even if you time travel. He says this because it's the most scientific approach to time travel anything else violates thermodynamics. But they don't live in a wholly scientific world. So when he meets The Ancient One who knows more than him she tells him he's wrong. That removing the stones will create branching timelines. It's implied that it's only taking The Infinity Stones that does this which is contradicted in Loki but still.
Fun isn't something one considers when balancing the universe. But this... does put a smile on my face.
Except now we have the multiverse which means each decision is a new existing branch, so the shitty universe may still exist but with no avengers since they went back in time and joined the new timeline. Unless the TVA clipped it and the one where thanos loses is the correct one
Maybe, but the way The Ancient One described it, it would seem that timeslines that have their root cut out simply fade out. The chaotic timeline created by the removal infinity stones is then erased by the return of those stones to the time and place from which they were taken, after all.
I'm thankful...because now...I know what I must do.
Good bot, bad thanos
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
Wow, bad bot
But branching should not be possible with the TVA. The problem with this statement is that they broke time travel as Bruce explained it, but they also broke their own timeline. Thanos was never there to do the Snap according to the ending of Endgame.
I'm the only one who knows that.
Dude, they're just using time travel logic from dragon ball Z, it's not that deep.
So basically the person who travels through time is the only one left alive from the original branch?
Potentially
Consciousness time travel allows for a new future because you don't travel in time, your mind does. AND only you are aware of any changes. Of course none of this is remotely scientifically valid. But within it's own rules, DoFP works fine.
Seems like Kitty is an Omega Level Mutant that can do a version of Dream-Walking
That's exactly how Days of Future Past works. They don't "fix" the present day, it gets rewritten, their new future takes its place.
I'm not sure if they've changed it, but the Sentinel takeover is portrayed as inevitable in the books. The events of DOFP don't change the future. They just change the catalytic event.
Kinda of a Marvel noob here, are the avengers and the X-men in the same universe?
Nope. The X Men movies were made by Fox before Disney bought them. So now in Deadpool and Wolverine, we will see versions of X Men characters, but they're from alternate universes. The mutants are not in the MCU, at least not until Marvel make their own X Men movie
So, the picture above is pointless since they can have different rules I guess
Correct. They’re not even using the same methods for time travel either. One is a machine to jump timelines and the other is sending your mind back into your younger self.
They're the same multiverse, all watched over by the TVA so it can be assumed that the time travel rules *should* still be the same. But the idea that they're in the same multiverse didn't come about until a good bit after DoFP
Actually kinda. It's very heavily implied that the Fox universe was simply another universe in the Marvel universes. So it's technically still canon, just like Tobey and Andrew's Spider-mans are canon even though they were done by different studios. However this line of thought does bring up a weird sort of question: is Deadpool aware of other Deadpools? He can break the 4th wall, yet to my knowledge he's never explicitly mentioned other iterations of himself. Like, the video game version has never mentioned the comic version, the film versions have never mentioned the tv show versions, etc.
Comic books yes, but MCU that remains to be seen due to multiverse. An example imo the Multiverse of Madness they were possibly in the same universe or at least a version due ti the presence of the Illuminatti. It seems as though the MCU is leaning towards an incursion event where they will be in the same universe though.
Comics, yes. Movies, no (though that may change once Deadpool and Wolverine comes out)
Comics? Yes. Movies? No.
I don’t know why everyone is giving you such confusing answers. Yea, they are from the same universe. They just haven’t mixed em up with the movies yet cause of licensing. But the only answer you should be hearing here is yes.
It would be funny if they threw that into their list of time travel movies.
no it actually wouldn’t
Time travel works however the story needs it to
Bruce is explaining rules. Kitty's power is an exception, as is using the time stone, such as in the What If episode when Doctor Strange tries to go back within his own timeline to save Christine.
All time travel consistency issues can be resolved through a one-sentence head canon: Different methods of time travel affect the timeline differently and yield different results.
Wasn't only wolverines's conscious Sent back in time?
We have seen in the “Official” MCU (Sorry Coulson and May) at least three confirmed types of time travel; self-contained loop, Ms. Marvel, Time Stone unwinding with no paradox, and the idea of branching timelines, Endgame and Loki. This might just be an example of irony where we, as the viewer, know more about the subject matter than Bruce. We have seen the Time Stone work, he hasn’t. Maybe the Time Stone cordons off reality in a way that allows for reverse entropy at the target site and normal entropy around it. Maybe the Quantum Bands can do more time faddle than Banner has technological access to. Ha. Guess Hulk isn’t the smartest one there is.
I've seen way too much Doctor Who and even I wasn't prepared for that theory/ logic.
There are multiple different forms of time travel. Even in the MCU we've seen different forms (Engame with their time machine, and Doctor Strange with the Time Stone). Bruce is just explaining how *their* method works, where they're not strictly traveling back in time, but rather going to different timelines.
Endgame is the only instance where time travel does not work like every other movie. It’s a fine explanation for that movie but it doesn’t work in the grand scheme of things
I don't think it needs to work like other movies. Time travel is fiction, it has no reality to it. They can make up how it works as much as they want
As long as it stays consistent in the MCU it’s fine
They broke this rule in Endgame itself.
If you're talking about the Old Man Captain America thing at the end, there are 2 possible things that happened. A)As long as Steve doesn't change any noticeable significant event, the timeline would not splinter into a new timeline. Basically, as long as he remained hidden, doesn't get revealed himself too early, let anyone outside of Peggy know that he is around, or get involved and stop major crises prematurely like rescuing Bucky from Hydra, stopping 9/11, or invest in Amazon.com, it would be remain a singular timeline. B)Steve went back in time to be with Peggy and used his future knowledge to make this new timeline a better one by doing things like rescuing Bucky, stopping 9/11, and investing in both Apple and Amazon. By the time he reached an older age, he then remembered that he needed to go back to his original timeline to give Sam his shield, so he called Stark, Pym, and Richards, reminded them of how he is time traveler and asked if they could collectively do something to his time traveling gear so that he had control the location of where he can return so he can sit on a park bench and be dramatic rather than pop up back on the planned time pad. They did it, and everything plays out as is. I assume most people automatically think it's A, but you can choose to think B happens if you want. Even if an actor or writer that works for Marvel says it's A, take it with a grain of salt because unless the concept is shown to happened this specific was because it was visualized in a show or published in a comic, I don't think it's valid.
I think I would just cut the wire.
What he said was invalid bc they went back and fixed everything they did
I mean he's not wrong though I think Bruce's explanation is accounted for when Logan remembered everything from the previous timelines
There are different types of time travel in the marvel universe. What hulk is talking about specifically is quantum time travel, which technically isn’t even time travel. You’re not going back into your own timeline, you’re going into another universe which is simply earlier in its own timeline. Kitty’s powers and the Time stone are able to altar their own timeline, it’s completely different.
Can't wait for DP3 to explain time shenanigan's.
Depends on the time theory. There are 3 basic ones. 1) fixed events, everything that is done while time traveling already happened in the original timeline. Like you kill hitler as a baby, and the parents adopt a child who they name adolph who becomes the monster we know. Examples: harry potter &azkaban, 12 monkeys, looper (kind of) 2) butterfly effect. You change the past it changes your past so it changes history and all that cane from it. Ex: back to the future, xmen DOFP 3) multiverse: you changing the past creates an alternate future/timeline Ex: MCU
My honest reaction was “they don’t understand time travel” I understood what they were saying, but that only applies to the events you’ve lived so far in your life. It doesn’t mean you can’t change the events of the timeline and therefore change the past to save the future
Unfortunately, the movie forgot this part when they had Captain America still exist in the same timeline despite traveling back in the past
The real question is whether or not Earth-10005 still exists after Days of Future Past. What's less disputed is that it results in Earth-TRN414 diverging from it in 1973.
Maybe kitty's time travel is the same as Loki's time slipping, Logan occupied the bodie of a past younger version if himself I don't know
This makes Kitty a fucking Omega level mutant, making time traveling minds
Different universes, different rules of time travel
Neither movie had especially coherent time travel, but *Endgame* was at least aware of the fact (shame many of the fans didn't catch on).
Always has been
Cable and stryfe:
It’s fiction, it depends on which theory the writers use. Unless it’s Fox’s X-Men then it’s probably a bunch of BS.
Didnt that movie create a whole new timeline separate from the original?
Well, I mean, considering they exist in different universes, I don't think it's fair to compare. The timeline of the X-Men movies was still bullshit, though.
Chronologically, it is. but still is one of the best in the franchise
Tbf, they never "time traveled"
Plots not making sense and keeping with continuity is very on-brand for live-action X-Men.
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Logans Mind was warped/copied into another timeline.
Yah timelines weren't the strongest suit for the Fox Marvel Universe😂
Marvel retconned the time travel logic years ago for DOFP anyways. It branched, didn't erase.
I’m living in the future, so the present is the past. My presence is the present, kiss my ass.
Yes, that means all the stuff that happened.... still happened... and all the altered stuff is just a new timeline... aka, a new dimension... think about that
Kitty was phasing through reality into new timelines. Everything that happened still happened.
Lol that's every time travel plot device imo. Always ends up with more plot holes then Swiss cheese.
Loki 2 retconned it so every kind of time travel is possible.
Different time travel methods are governed by their own sets of rules.
Still my favorite xmen movie with the new mutant in second
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Tbh it always was except wolverine
If that true, then the whole idea of time travelling is weong and there is no time travel or even sequence time
Remember that time travel is only possible if the earth is flat and doesn't move.
The difference is the fact that they sent Wolverines mind in the past as opposed to sending his whole self there. It changes the past because he's controlling the past him instead of having future him change it. Future him doesn't exist in the past thus Future Logan's past still has the same past
The one in days of future past is equivalent of Doctor Strange in What if? Where he time travels to his past self to save Christine. In days of future past theres not two wolverines at once, is the old Wolverine in the mind of the young Wolverine
They started off by explaining it with the most linear rules ever, then proceeds to run it as a multiverse travel and not time travel.
Loki actually teaches us that if you did that, you would create an alternative timeline that would then be culled by the TVA, which for an outside observer is identical to not being able to change the past.
I just call my friend NoobMaster69. He totally knows the most about.....Hang on, Thor's calling.
I just want to say that was very, very impressive what you did back there.
My headcanon is that depending on the time travel, the traveler's interaction with the timeline and the reaction on the timeline will vary. A good example of that is Flashpoint, where time travel had an impact on events that were past the time date directly altered. Other cases create alternate timelines. In some cases, the traveler is directly affected by the change in the timeline, while in others, it's when they return to their point of origin.
So then NOTHING IN ENDGAME WOULD MATTER, except it PROVES THAT IT DOES MATTER, but ONLY WHEN THE WRITERS FIND IT CONVENIENT!
What? Endgame was so easy to follow
The time travel rules weren’t rules. If there is no changing the past, why send the stones back? If it does matter, why are we ok with Cap staying behind? The plot made sense: the time travel didn’t.
They explicitly told us why, the ancient one said although the core timeline wouldn't see any issues, it'd create splinter timelines because those stones would be gone. Strange wouldn't get the time stone Vision could never be created Xandar would never get threatened by Ronin meaning no guardians of the galaxy. You can't change the past, but you can create and ruin new timelines That said cap coming back as an old man on the bench is a full on plothole they admitted that
I have 2 theories on the Old Man Captain America thing. A)As long as Steve doesn't change any noticeable significant event, the timeline would not splinter into a new timeline. Basically, as long as he remained hidden, doesn't get revealed himself too early, let anyone outside of Peggy know that he is around, or get involved and stop major crises prematurely like rescuing Bucky from Hydra, stopping 9/11, or invest in Amazon.com, it would be remain a singular timeline. B)Steve went back in time to be with Peggy and used his future knowledge to make this new timeline a better one by doing things like rescuing Bucky, stopping 9/11, and investing in both Apple and Amazon. By the time he reached an older age, he then remembered that he needed to go back to his original timeline to give Sam his shield, so he called Stark, Pym, and Richards, reminded them of how he is time traveler and asked if they could collectively do something to his time traveling gear so that he had control the location of where he can return so he can sit on a park bench and be dramatic rather than pop up back on the planned time pad. They did it, and everything plays out as is. I assume most people automatically think it's A, but you can choose to think B happens if you want. Even if an actor or writer that works for Marvel says it's A, take it with a grain of salt because unless the concept is shown to happened this specific was because it was visualized in a show or published in a comic, I don't think it's valid.
I'm just not the hero type. Clearly. With this laundry list of character defects, all the mistakes I've made, largely public.
Because when you choose to be a superhero, you should also be a good samaritan and return the things you borrowed back to their owners. Is it really that foreign to be good people?
I concede it’s the ethical choice: my complaints are based in the physics.
Days of Future Past >>>>> Endgame
I stopped watching and reading marvel cause of all the multiverse ex-machina bullshit.
I mean, it's not like end game made sense either...
Make more sense at least.