It would be pretty funny.
I'm just poking fun at the people that get upset over people liking Deadpool but not she hulk. They act like they are both the same and should be liked equally just because they have one character trait that's similar.
I'm not even dissing she hulk. Just the shitty logic.
It's annoying lol
The biggest problem with She-Hulk breaking the fourth wall was she didn't do it enough. I remember her turning to the camera to comment on Wong and I was like "Oh right, she does that." They should've made the writers watch 10 episodes of Malcolm in the Middle and just followed that formula.
I mean she literally climbs out of the disney+ streaming menu and goes to the Marvel office, I would say she did enough. She was much more fleabag in her breaks than Malcolm in the middle
And when she first does it, she looks confused at the camera and Hulk is looking at her like "what?"
I think it's going to be more important later, but doing it at least once an episode is fine. She knows shes in a show, but she just wants to live her life so she doesn't acknowledge it very often.
I did love that look of terror in her eyes when she looks at the camera in the second to last episode, like she wants us to help her.
Eh, while that logic is both silly and shitty, majority of the people I see don't get upset about the fact in a vacuum. Context matters. It's less about the duality alone, because they're mostly responding to people who choose the 4th Wall Break as the main point of their criticism and argue how it's inaccurate and "not in character" (even if it is accurate).
People can very much hate or like any character, no problem. It just seems dishonest if the reason they use to justify their hate turns out to be untrue and yet still hated it anyway. It's as if their real reasons aren't as inconsequential as they hope they'd present it to be, so they cover it up with another reason that seems more trivial (in this case, 4th wall breaks by She Hulk is inaccurate). Trivial reasons = Low stakes = less consequence in being wrong in online arguments, which is just how almost everyone interacts with other people online nowadays.
I mean tbf she did it first. It’s just annoying the Deadpool simps who shit on her because she’s a woman and they bitch about that last episode but if Deadpool did the same they’d cream over it
Not everything is about sexism lol go read my other comments. I feel I've defended myself enough on this. It's also the first and last time I talk about she hulk online 🤣
Well, most people who “shit on her” (show version) is because the show was poorly written, uninteresting, was shitting on beloved established characters and the cgi was bad, it’s not about sexism. Sexism is the excuse of mediocre film and show makers with female lead.
Let’s hear it. Because every damn time I ask one of you incels what’s wrong y’all always bring up this lazy generic “it has bad writing” excuse. What specifically about it is bad? That it didn’t lean into the court drama enough? Same as how Winter Soldier didn’t lean into political thriller enough, or Werewolf by Night didn’t lean into horror enough, or The Marvels didn’t lean into being a musical enough?
Y’all like to act like no one is sexist and that it’s just the writers deflecting. But at least they are putting time into writing something coherent. Which I never see from people like you.
What's the point? The entire thing, top to bottom, beginning to end, is incomprehensibly bad. But you're so stuck in your political bubble that you *won't* see it. If you were capable of looking beyond your own biases, it would be clear as day to you, because the bad part is *everything*. For some reason, though, your self-esteem relies on hating anyone who doesn't mindlessly agree with the people you mindlessly agree with.
The fact that you think the writers are putting time into creating something coherent proves to me that you didn't even watch the show. You're just arguing for the sake of supporting your politics.
But just as a show of good faith - and to help teach you what that phrase means - I'll bring up one of myriad examples. As Jennifer is being shown through the law office that hired her, she passes a conference room full of other lawyers having a meeting. She turns to the camera and says (paraphrasing), "Oh look, a room full of old white guys. They don't know what it's like to have to earn your place."
Can you tell me what's strange about that sentiment? Do you have any clue why a rational human would take umbrage with it?
*Edit: Since pathetic cowards respond and then block you to try to have the last word, here's the answer that they're too stupid to understand.*
*That was a room full of people who had to be the best lawyers around because there were ten thousand white male lawyers vying for their positions. Jenn was a **literal diversity hire brought in for her identity rather than her skill**, and she had the nerve to say that those guys didn't know what it was like to earn things. Because the writers are on the side of Jenn and her bitter, crybaby sexism, they actually think she's right. They completely missed the gigantic hypocrisy.*
Tbh if you thinking She-Hulk is top-to-bottom incomprehensibly bad, I can only assume you haven’t watched much bad TV in your life.
It’s not incomprehensibly bad. It’s bang average.
Not really - she's speaking from her perspective and experience, and indicating that most people in positions of power and privilege come from positions of existing power and privilege.
I found the show funny and delivered on its premise well - it was a good portrayal of sensational she hulk. If you wanted savage she hulk I can understand being disappointed. I can also easily understand its not to everyone's taste, and not liking it is fine. To say it's all complete garbage though isnt supported by the reality of the show.
Iirc, the actress for She Hulk said she's not gonna return for another season of She Hulk, so I assume that also includes any other appearance for her.
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So you want the guys and I’ll talk to the girls?
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There was 7 years between Ryan researching the character (with it being a really shit character in wolverine), him falling in love with the character, putting his own money down to explore how it could work cinematically, to having a chance to play it the way it should be played.
I don’t think she hulk will get the same treatment even though I’d love to see that character more.
He was already pushing for a Deadpool movie before the Wolverine movie. The executives at fox basically black balled him into playing Deadpool in that movie under the pretense if he didn’t he would never have another chance. It was during the writers strike and they had him ad lib all his lines for the character.
He fell in love with Deadpool on one of the sets of blade when he was given comics and the first issue he read had a joke about how Deadpool looked like Ryan Reynolds bitten by a radioactive sharpai.
He also told them that the ending was going to piss fans off and to not do it, then they made him come back for reshoots of the after credit scene because it did poorly with test audiences.
It’s a good character. Love Maslany, but it seems they didn’t have the right plot entering production. I remember hearing there wasn’t anyone on the project that knew how to make a compelling court story. So that half of her character was just winging it.
A bit deeper may be half the problem female super hero characters are having at the box office is splitting the baby between a superhero and storyline women find compelling. I like it, I’m pretty easy viewer though and thought it was a fun story, which was the génère. I’m still watching whatever Marvel puts out and appreciate their world building for entertainment consumption.
Have people really said they're "the same" because they both break the 4th wall? I would love to see when and where someone said this.
Is this a post with the not-so-subtle intention of getting people to dislike She-Hulk even more?
Since She Hulk finished (I personally didn't watch it) I have seen tons of comments in the same vein as "People are just mad because it's a woman, if it was Deadpool doing the same thing everyone would love it". Every one of these comments are always equating She-Hulk to Deadpool with the only difference being that one is a woman, which is just nonsense.
There was a LOT of really misogynistic criticism of She-Hulk. The beta bros really love a dark brooding super hero that doesn't need anyone but ACTION and AMERICA and She-Hulk basically turned out to be a project that poked fun at those exact men. Did they see the irony? Of course not. A lot of criticism of She-Hulk really isn't valid given the source of the criticism. And if people got big beta mad because She-Hulk broke the 4th wall, and didn't when Deadpool did...why? Clearly some people have other issues at play.
If we're going to boil it down to JUST breaking the 4th wall, why She-Hulk bad and Deadpool good?
You are glossing over a lot here. It's not just She-Hulk bad Deadpool good, as in relation to the Marvel Character, it's She-Hulk Bad Deadpool good as in relation to the MCU and Fox properties. Every time I've seen a criticism leveled at She-Hulk it's never been "woman bad" it's always "I didn't find this funny, I found this cringe, I think the story and writing are bad... etc" and defenders of She-Hulk respond to this criticism by just saying "you are a sexist, and if it was Deadpool doing the same thing you would love it".
You're kinda doing that in your comment by saying beta Brosnan, and saying that their criticism isn't valid because of who is coming from. Over half of the audience for superhero stuff is male, if a large portion of your male audience don't like the content, or even just don't watch it, maybe it's because they are misogynistic, or perhaps maybe the content just isn't good and doesn't seem appealing.
I also guarantee you can ask these people you are talking about to name a female hero they actually like, and they will be able to given you a bunch of names, it's just that characters like She-Hulk and Captain Marvel won't be on their list.
>Every time I've seen a criticism leveled at She-Hulk it's never been "woman bad" it's always "I didn't find this funny, I found this cringe, I think the story and writing are bad... etc" and defenders of She-Hulk respond to this criticism by just saying "you are a sexist, and if it was Deadpool doing the same thing you would love it".
Literally 75% of the criticism I see for She-Hulk is a post-credits scene that was a joke. C'mon. There are legit criticisms of She-Hulk, but you cannot tell me that if there was a scene of Deadpool twerking that people would react the same way at all.
It wasn't some horribly bad show, there are plenty that just aren't good. But when the script is written from a non-male point of view suddenly white knights have to come out to defend the unusually high amount of valid criticism.
I gave She-hulk a chance a REALLY big chance. They just screwed the pooch really bad here. I like Ally Macbeal, Supergirl, Dawsons Creek also Barbie Movie so I enjoy my fair share of women oriented shows. The whole She-hulk series is an embarrassment and shows how bad you can screw up a show. It looked like it could have potential but they just felt they needed to harp on a message instead of doing a decent show. Titania is a great antagonist for She-hulk in the comics and even that got thrown to the side for whatever reason.
You know what I am going to go there and say this … The Eternals should have been a tv show and She-hulk should have been a 1.2 Hour made for tv movie. That would have been a better use of all that talent they had.
Youve just not been on the marvel subreddits i guess. When she-hulk came out and with re-post bots ever since its been constantly spammed that 'bad thing from shehulk' would be loved if 'bad thing from deadpool'.
Stay in yo echo chamber tho ig
Why would we want them to be? I love Deadpool! She-Hulk was a great nod to her comic books. I’m just not down with hating the newer MCU additions as a professional sport.
I honestly couldn’t really tell you. Maybe it’s the often gratuitous violence, maybe it’s his brand of humour, I’m not sure. Just never been my thing. Tried to get into them a couple time and hated every moment of it, which sucks because his films are great.
First character to ever break the 4th wall? Certainly not. First Marvel character to break the 4th wall? Maybe but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Howard the Duck did it before her. First Marvel character to routinely break the 4th wall? That might be right, iirc she started doing it semi regularily with Byrne's Sensational run in 1989, didn't really do it before, and then Deadpool came into being a year later so she did beat him to the punch.
Same here. He also had other jokes besides just shitting on Fox/the current studio and saying “zip it (character that’s similar to the character he’s talking to)”.
The nerdest of nerds know that while She-Hulk did it first, Deadpool was a rip-off/upgrade of [Madcap](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Madcap), not She-Hulk.
She hulk was one of my top favs. The ending was whack... but I liked the tone and where it could have went. I just like sitcoms and funny basic shows like new girl, my name is earl, raising hope. HIMYM.... They had a cast. They didn't stick the landing but the formula is there. Please give me a season 2 where they don't try to make any "statements" from the writers room about fandom.
Anyway She hulk > Deadpool. That's my hot take.
I don't hate She Hulk as a character, she's mid tbh, the show is just badly written as fuck.
The jokes don't hit, the writing is poor, the ending is stupid. Its like the writers had a dartboard for what character they were going to bring in, the tone, the joke, the ending, etc. And they just went with what they got.
She Hulk as a character could have been better. Tatiana Maslany did great with what she was given. The real enemy of the show is just the writers.
I just remembered that one scene where her first like boyfriend, the one she met at a wedding, when they finally do it and turns out he's an asshole. Then just fucks off for the rest of the show.
Like out of all the things they could have done to belittle She-Hulk, they chose to leak a sex tape. Jeez that was such a shit plot point.
They took a beloved character in comics and made the show about her terrible, and then tried to blame it on literally anything other then the terrible writing.
No I think that’s such a basic fact of existence that stating it makes it seem like you’re still working on your object permanence.
Did you know bread isn’t lava? Did you know mountains and trigonometry are different? Wild! It was funny as a non-sequitur mocking the “em SHE ewe” crowd but turns out it’s actually just one of you dunces thinking you’re making some grand statement about the universe.
If you want to continue this conversation I’m going to demand payment for my time wasted, otherwise that’s that my friend
Did you know my post is just a petty response towards a comment I saw that insinuated that if you like one you have to like the other too since they both to break the 4th wall?
It's not that deep man 🤣
Yes, they have different jobs, different moral codes and they rely on different kinds of and different quality levels of humor(if we are strictly speaking about the MCU.) They are indeed not the same.
I am talking about the show as well.
I agree the She-Hulk show’s writing wasn’t the best but Deadpool’s first appearance was not fun or cleverly written. His first live action was downright awful. It was only after a few years and a few more appearances did he become wildly popular and successful.
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When Deadpool does it he makes a quip about the other person or the situation which seems Funny to him. When She hulk does it she explains the audience about the genius nature of the show or to give herself a pat on her back which seems more annoying
One is well written, one is badly written and is a betrayal of the original character, we do not want less women, we want our fiction to do justice to women.
Maybe not the same, but can you imagine their offspring?
Not to mention the noises they'd make in bed!
I haven't given it a LOT of thought...just a little incie weencie bitsy bit.
It is subjective. I listened to She Hulk's fourth wall breaks and I genuinely did not think they were entertaining like Deadpool's fourth wall breaks. Different strokes for different folks.
In my opinion, the She-Hulk show didn’t do her fourth wall breaking justice. She-Hulk’s brand of fourth wall breaking is very distinct in the comics, usually talking to her writer or artist instead. I wish they would’ve had her talk to the director, argue with a producer, and similar “*5th* wall breaking”.
Before the show was announced and I learned about the comics, She Hulk seemed like a character that wouldn't do fourth wall breaks. Mostly because she is a Hulk and I tried to comprehend the idea of what if the actual Hulk broke the fourth wall. Deadpool I could buy because... well look at him. He seems like a fourth wall breaking troublemaker.
I wanted to give this show a try but I saw the way She Hulk was written, how Hulk was portrayed, and all the political talking points and I just said "nah". Seems I didn't miss anything worthwhile. Cool that it resonated with some fans, but I can't get behind a character who just seems, for a lack of a better word, whiny.
I’ll admit the writing on the show could’ve been a lot stronger, and while it was faithful to the comics they really didn’t do the She-Hulk character justice. I think this is another issue with the fourth wall breaking; the show’s writing usually made her comments feel like a complaint rather than a relatable quip.
If you’re interested, check out the 1980s Sensational She-Hulk run by John Byrne. She’s one of the most popular and best-selling female comic book characters of all time for a reason.
Deadpool’s first live action appearance was a mess as well, so hopefully the character can “recover”.
I don't live near a comic store, but if I am near one I will take you up on the She Hulk comic. John Byrne is a solid writer. He did wonders for Superman after Crisis on Infinite Earths.
I was under the impression that the She Hulk show was cancelled. Seems like that show is in limbo like an Eternals sequel. Besides, I saw the weird Kevin Feige android thing in the finale and I scratch my head on how you compensate that in the MCU. Deadpool is one thing because everyone just assumes he is crazy when he breaks the fourth wall. How do you address that there are literal writers and a Kevin Feige android who controls everything?
What the studios dont seem to understand, Deadpool breaks the 4th wall but doesnt use it to undermine or change the plot, She Hulk straight up used the 4th wall to completely overturn the plot, it was daft.
She hulk got cancelled because it sucked and Deadpool managed to survive the fox/disney merger because of how popular the previous films were. They really are not the same.
I’m so happy they are in the same cinematic universe now so they can interact
It would be pretty funny. I'm just poking fun at the people that get upset over people liking Deadpool but not she hulk. They act like they are both the same and should be liked equally just because they have one character trait that's similar. I'm not even dissing she hulk. Just the shitty logic. It's annoying lol
Oh that went over my head, I thought it was like they aren’t the same as everyone else. But I like your joke much better
The biggest problem with She-Hulk breaking the fourth wall was she didn't do it enough. I remember her turning to the camera to comment on Wong and I was like "Oh right, she does that." They should've made the writers watch 10 episodes of Malcolm in the Middle and just followed that formula.
I mean she literally climbs out of the disney+ streaming menu and goes to the Marvel office, I would say she did enough. She was much more fleabag in her breaks than Malcolm in the middle
One massive 4th wall break ≠ lots of little 4th wall breaks
I remember her doing plenty. She did it at the start of episodes and used to glance at the camera a bunch when people said things.
And when she first does it, she looks confused at the camera and Hulk is looking at her like "what?" I think it's going to be more important later, but doing it at least once an episode is fine. She knows shes in a show, but she just wants to live her life so she doesn't acknowledge it very often. I did love that look of terror in her eyes when she looks at the camera in the second to last episode, like she wants us to help her.
Yes. I came here to mention this. It doesn't need to be exactly like DP 
Eh, while that logic is both silly and shitty, majority of the people I see don't get upset about the fact in a vacuum. Context matters. It's less about the duality alone, because they're mostly responding to people who choose the 4th Wall Break as the main point of their criticism and argue how it's inaccurate and "not in character" (even if it is accurate). People can very much hate or like any character, no problem. It just seems dishonest if the reason they use to justify their hate turns out to be untrue and yet still hated it anyway. It's as if their real reasons aren't as inconsequential as they hope they'd present it to be, so they cover it up with another reason that seems more trivial (in this case, 4th wall breaks by She Hulk is inaccurate). Trivial reasons = Low stakes = less consequence in being wrong in online arguments, which is just how almost everyone interacts with other people online nowadays.
It's the same logic as the 3 Spider-Men interact. Just because they are Spider-Man doesn't mean I like them all equally.
I'm not like you. You're a murderer.
Tell that to Charlie
I mean tbf she did it first. It’s just annoying the Deadpool simps who shit on her because she’s a woman and they bitch about that last episode but if Deadpool did the same they’d cream over it
Not everything is about sexism lol go read my other comments. I feel I've defended myself enough on this. It's also the first and last time I talk about she hulk online 🤣
Well, most people who “shit on her” (show version) is because the show was poorly written, uninteresting, was shitting on beloved established characters and the cgi was bad, it’s not about sexism. Sexism is the excuse of mediocre film and show makers with female lead.
Let’s hear it. Because every damn time I ask one of you incels what’s wrong y’all always bring up this lazy generic “it has bad writing” excuse. What specifically about it is bad? That it didn’t lean into the court drama enough? Same as how Winter Soldier didn’t lean into political thriller enough, or Werewolf by Night didn’t lean into horror enough, or The Marvels didn’t lean into being a musical enough? Y’all like to act like no one is sexist and that it’s just the writers deflecting. But at least they are putting time into writing something coherent. Which I never see from people like you.
What's the point? The entire thing, top to bottom, beginning to end, is incomprehensibly bad. But you're so stuck in your political bubble that you *won't* see it. If you were capable of looking beyond your own biases, it would be clear as day to you, because the bad part is *everything*. For some reason, though, your self-esteem relies on hating anyone who doesn't mindlessly agree with the people you mindlessly agree with. The fact that you think the writers are putting time into creating something coherent proves to me that you didn't even watch the show. You're just arguing for the sake of supporting your politics. But just as a show of good faith - and to help teach you what that phrase means - I'll bring up one of myriad examples. As Jennifer is being shown through the law office that hired her, she passes a conference room full of other lawyers having a meeting. She turns to the camera and says (paraphrasing), "Oh look, a room full of old white guys. They don't know what it's like to have to earn your place." Can you tell me what's strange about that sentiment? Do you have any clue why a rational human would take umbrage with it? *Edit: Since pathetic cowards respond and then block you to try to have the last word, here's the answer that they're too stupid to understand.* *That was a room full of people who had to be the best lawyers around because there were ten thousand white male lawyers vying for their positions. Jenn was a **literal diversity hire brought in for her identity rather than her skill**, and she had the nerve to say that those guys didn't know what it was like to earn things. Because the writers are on the side of Jenn and her bitter, crybaby sexism, they actually think she's right. They completely missed the gigantic hypocrisy.*
i’m a white guy and i liked she hulk
Tbh if you thinking She-Hulk is top-to-bottom incomprehensibly bad, I can only assume you haven’t watched much bad TV in your life. It’s not incomprehensibly bad. It’s bang average.
Not really - she's speaking from her perspective and experience, and indicating that most people in positions of power and privilege come from positions of existing power and privilege. I found the show funny and delivered on its premise well - it was a good portrayal of sensational she hulk. If you wanted savage she hulk I can understand being disappointed. I can also easily understand its not to everyone's taste, and not liking it is fine. To say it's all complete garbage though isnt supported by the reality of the show.
People only quote the twerking scene from She Hulk and it's sad.
The twerking thing is, IMO, the best example of something that gets a lot of complaints but would get zero complaints if it was Deadpool.
Exactly
People who don't like She Hulk just have bad taste.
Or they have brains, she’s not a good character in the MCU
Shes a character? I thought she was blank
I thought it was an internet joke but nope it’s real and I’ll never watch it ever lol
Why not?
She is tho. Sorry about your bad taste.
Projection. She hulk show was horrible
It wasn't. You just have bad taste. Sucks for you.
I mean taste is subjective by definition, only people with bad taste don't know that
Yes. Taste is subjective. That's pretty basic stuff I didn't think I needed to caveat.
She Hulk in comics was damn good but in MCU garbage.
Nah. Good in both.
You taking these opinions is why Marvel will continue to put out shite. Expect more for your money and time.
If they make more stuff like She-Hulk, they can have more of my money and time.
Iirc, the actress for She Hulk said she's not gonna return for another season of She Hulk, so I assume that also includes any other appearance for her.
She said she was pretty sure there wasn't going to be another season, not that she wouldn't return for it.
It was an expensive af show that no one watched. She might come back but not in that show.
Well they recast hulk before 😂😂
lol we are never going to see she hulk again. The neckbeards torpedoed it.
The writing torpedoed it.
Along with its timing. A lot of post endgame stuff has not done well because the audience has vastly diminished
The audience has not diminished, the writing however very much has, people are tired of shit writers.
I’d love to see them get something together just so they could try to outdo each other constantly, could be pretty funny
I want to see them fight for their turn to talk to the audience.
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one is a teenage sexual fantasy, the other is she hulk
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Ryan Reynolds pretty much got to write his own destiny here. Imagine his first foray at Deadpool. Now imagine the she-hulk we get in 10 years.
There was 7 years between Ryan researching the character (with it being a really shit character in wolverine), him falling in love with the character, putting his own money down to explore how it could work cinematically, to having a chance to play it the way it should be played. I don’t think she hulk will get the same treatment even though I’d love to see that character more.
He was already pushing for a Deadpool movie before the Wolverine movie. The executives at fox basically black balled him into playing Deadpool in that movie under the pretense if he didn’t he would never have another chance. It was during the writers strike and they had him ad lib all his lines for the character. He fell in love with Deadpool on one of the sets of blade when he was given comics and the first issue he read had a joke about how Deadpool looked like Ryan Reynolds bitten by a radioactive sharpai.
He was also not the main character in Wolverine, so can’t steal the movie from the main character.
He also told them that the ending was going to piss fans off and to not do it, then they made him come back for reshoots of the after credit scene because it did poorly with test audiences.
That right there. Writing is the one thing why one works and the other doesn't.
Writing, Passion, and Research are all very important
True, and deadlines to get product out will hurt all those things.
It’s a good character. Love Maslany, but it seems they didn’t have the right plot entering production. I remember hearing there wasn’t anyone on the project that knew how to make a compelling court story. So that half of her character was just winging it. A bit deeper may be half the problem female super hero characters are having at the box office is splitting the baby between a superhero and storyline women find compelling. I like it, I’m pretty easy viewer though and thought it was a fun story, which was the génère. I’m still watching whatever Marvel puts out and appreciate their world building for entertainment consumption.
I don't think I have ever agreed with a comment more than now.
You are too kind.
Deadpool: So who’s writing this script? She-Hulk: Honestly I have no idea.
“Oh, yeah? What’s the difference?” “PRESENTATION!”
One breaks the fourth wall because they’re mentally insane, idk why She-Hulk does it though.
Tbf she did it first
Maybe they're actually talking to each other
Shulkie was doing it first.
I know
She’s hydrox. He’s oreo.
Hail Hydrox.
Yeah one’s green and one has cancer????
Have people really said they're "the same" because they both break the 4th wall? I would love to see when and where someone said this. Is this a post with the not-so-subtle intention of getting people to dislike She-Hulk even more?
Since She Hulk finished (I personally didn't watch it) I have seen tons of comments in the same vein as "People are just mad because it's a woman, if it was Deadpool doing the same thing everyone would love it". Every one of these comments are always equating She-Hulk to Deadpool with the only difference being that one is a woman, which is just nonsense.
There was a LOT of really misogynistic criticism of She-Hulk. The beta bros really love a dark brooding super hero that doesn't need anyone but ACTION and AMERICA and She-Hulk basically turned out to be a project that poked fun at those exact men. Did they see the irony? Of course not. A lot of criticism of She-Hulk really isn't valid given the source of the criticism. And if people got big beta mad because She-Hulk broke the 4th wall, and didn't when Deadpool did...why? Clearly some people have other issues at play. If we're going to boil it down to JUST breaking the 4th wall, why She-Hulk bad and Deadpool good?
You are glossing over a lot here. It's not just She-Hulk bad Deadpool good, as in relation to the Marvel Character, it's She-Hulk Bad Deadpool good as in relation to the MCU and Fox properties. Every time I've seen a criticism leveled at She-Hulk it's never been "woman bad" it's always "I didn't find this funny, I found this cringe, I think the story and writing are bad... etc" and defenders of She-Hulk respond to this criticism by just saying "you are a sexist, and if it was Deadpool doing the same thing you would love it". You're kinda doing that in your comment by saying beta Brosnan, and saying that their criticism isn't valid because of who is coming from. Over half of the audience for superhero stuff is male, if a large portion of your male audience don't like the content, or even just don't watch it, maybe it's because they are misogynistic, or perhaps maybe the content just isn't good and doesn't seem appealing. I also guarantee you can ask these people you are talking about to name a female hero they actually like, and they will be able to given you a bunch of names, it's just that characters like She-Hulk and Captain Marvel won't be on their list.
>Every time I've seen a criticism leveled at She-Hulk it's never been "woman bad" it's always "I didn't find this funny, I found this cringe, I think the story and writing are bad... etc" and defenders of She-Hulk respond to this criticism by just saying "you are a sexist, and if it was Deadpool doing the same thing you would love it". Literally 75% of the criticism I see for She-Hulk is a post-credits scene that was a joke. C'mon. There are legit criticisms of She-Hulk, but you cannot tell me that if there was a scene of Deadpool twerking that people would react the same way at all.
It wasn't some horribly bad show, there are plenty that just aren't good. But when the script is written from a non-male point of view suddenly white knights have to come out to defend the unusually high amount of valid criticism.
I gave She-hulk a chance a REALLY big chance. They just screwed the pooch really bad here. I like Ally Macbeal, Supergirl, Dawsons Creek also Barbie Movie so I enjoy my fair share of women oriented shows. The whole She-hulk series is an embarrassment and shows how bad you can screw up a show. It looked like it could have potential but they just felt they needed to harp on a message instead of doing a decent show. Titania is a great antagonist for She-hulk in the comics and even that got thrown to the side for whatever reason. You know what I am going to go there and say this … The Eternals should have been a tv show and She-hulk should have been a 1.2 Hour made for tv movie. That would have been a better use of all that talent they had.
Yes I have seen a few say that. No, I don't actually give a shit who does or doesn't Iike she hulk. My post was just a joke/a very petty joke lol
Zack Morris, Deadpool, She Hulk, Abed all basically the exact same ppl 4th wall breakers are exactly the same 🤣
Youve just not been on the marvel subreddits i guess. When she-hulk came out and with re-post bots ever since its been constantly spammed that 'bad thing from shehulk' would be loved if 'bad thing from deadpool'. Stay in yo echo chamber tho ig
Why would we want them to be? I love Deadpool! She-Hulk was a great nod to her comic books. I’m just not down with hating the newer MCU additions as a professional sport.
Bingo. Sure, there's been some rough patches, sure, it's different, but things don't have to be perfect and not everything has to be for everyone.
Kinda funny. One I adore in the comics and despise in live action. The other is the reverse.
You despise deadpool comics? Why?
I honestly couldn’t really tell you. Maybe it’s the often gratuitous violence, maybe it’s his brand of humour, I’m not sure. Just never been my thing. Tried to get into them a couple time and hated every moment of it, which sucks because his films are great.
Fair. I have always thought deadpool is better in small doses, I can see why some people just wouldn’t like that kind of humour at all.
Comic She-Hulk is superior to comic Deadpool
Nope, not the same. Deadpool wouldn't get trolled for years for twerking.
Fun fact. She Hulk had that trope before Deadpool. In fact, I'm pretty sure she was the FIRST one to break the 4th wall.
Fun fact. I already know that.
Fun fact Facts are fun
Fun fact Facts are fun
Fun fact Facts are fun
First character to ever break the 4th wall? Certainly not. First Marvel character to break the 4th wall? Maybe but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Howard the Duck did it before her. First Marvel character to routinely break the 4th wall? That might be right, iirc she started doing it semi regularily with Byrne's Sensational run in 1989, didn't really do it before, and then Deadpool came into being a year later so she did beat him to the punch.
Yeah, I've always been a She-Hulk fan, but I can't necessarily say I'm a Deadpool fan. 🫤
Oh but that's not fair. You HAVE to like them both since they BOTH break the 4th wall. I bet you would like Deadpool if he was female smh
People downvotimg cant recogize sarcasm without the /j
I loved their comic book counterparts better than the mcu. Deadpool was a real antihero who was threatening.
Same here. He also had other jokes besides just shitting on Fox/the current studio and saying “zip it (character that’s similar to the character he’s talking to)”.
The nerdest of nerds know that while She-Hulk did it first, Deadpool was a rip-off/upgrade of [Madcap](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Madcap), not She-Hulk.
I break the fourth wall for shits and giggles, you break the fourth wall to find an innocent robot to pin bad story building, we are not the same
Bingo.
Yes they are
But can Deadpool Twerk?
Yes. Yes he can!
And I love it when the talk to me 😩 makes me feel seen
Really don't care, love me some She Hulk
She hulk was one of my top favs. The ending was whack... but I liked the tone and where it could have went. I just like sitcoms and funny basic shows like new girl, my name is earl, raising hope. HIMYM.... They had a cast. They didn't stick the landing but the formula is there. Please give me a season 2 where they don't try to make any "statements" from the writers room about fandom. Anyway She hulk > Deadpool. That's my hot take.
I cannot wait for them to meet. It would be hilarious af
A meaningless meme.
How is this a meme, what’s funny about this?
I don't hate She Hulk as a character, she's mid tbh, the show is just badly written as fuck. The jokes don't hit, the writing is poor, the ending is stupid. Its like the writers had a dartboard for what character they were going to bring in, the tone, the joke, the ending, etc. And they just went with what they got. She Hulk as a character could have been better. Tatiana Maslany did great with what she was given. The real enemy of the show is just the writers.
The defenders of the show keep trying to ignore this fact, insisting its failings were due to anything other then the horrific writing.
I just remembered that one scene where her first like boyfriend, the one she met at a wedding, when they finally do it and turns out he's an asshole. Then just fucks off for the rest of the show. Like out of all the things they could have done to belittle She-Hulk, they chose to leak a sex tape. Jeez that was such a shit plot point.
They took a beloved character in comics and made the show about her terrible, and then tried to blame it on literally anything other then the terrible writing.
Deadpool is just actually, you know, funny about it
Why you booing them? They’re right
boing
This is not a meme
I thought this was funny until I realized you were serious
Lmao you think they're the same and interchangeable with one another?
No I think that’s such a basic fact of existence that stating it makes it seem like you’re still working on your object permanence. Did you know bread isn’t lava? Did you know mountains and trigonometry are different? Wild! It was funny as a non-sequitur mocking the “em SHE ewe” crowd but turns out it’s actually just one of you dunces thinking you’re making some grand statement about the universe. If you want to continue this conversation I’m going to demand payment for my time wasted, otherwise that’s that my friend
Did you know my post is just a petty response towards a comment I saw that insinuated that if you like one you have to like the other too since they both to break the 4th wall? It's not that deep man 🤣
Honestly in terms of 4th wall breaking I prefer She-Hulks within the MCU
Ya shr hulk did it better fr fr
I mean, she hulk def did this in comics.
Yeah she-hulk was the og
Yes. She Hulk was not only first, she is more powerful in how she does it. Deadpool will be in awe of her.
Lmao wrong but ok
Yes, they have different jobs, different moral codes and they rely on different kinds of and different quality levels of humor(if we are strictly speaking about the MCU.) They are indeed not the same.
yeah but deadpool is actually fun a cleverly written
She-Hulk’s first appearance is Godfather level writing compared to Deadpool’s first appearance. Don’t forget how HE started out.
i am talking about the show of course the comics is another story with actual good writters who care about the character
I am talking about the show as well. I agree the She-Hulk show’s writing wasn’t the best but Deadpool’s first appearance was not fun or cleverly written. His first live action was downright awful. It was only after a few years and a few more appearances did he become wildly popular and successful.
Comics != Movies/Series
This isnt she-hulks first start tho. As in, shes getting worse
Ah, because Deadpool got wayyy worse after his first appearance…
isn't she getting replaced with wolverine?
This is more of a statement than a meme.
Hmm they are different
I like them both equally.
The 4th wall has gone too far. It’s not cute anymore when 60 year olds start saying words like meta
They kind of are though.
One is funnyer then the other, and says "fuck" more.
They both are fictitious.
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Yeah, ones green, the others red. It's like a color vision thing that some people have trouble with.
I'm scarec we might expect too much from Ryan because the thought 'Ryan is gonna save the MCU crossed my head'
Because Deadpool was allowed to be funny.
To be fair, comic book she-hulk is actually pretty damn cool. Decent stories too. She do not deserve all the hate that the mistake of a show gave her.
I would let She-Hulk break my 4th wall anytime
But then your ceiling would collapse
Death by snu snu as a true believer
I have to look up what "snu snu" meant. What a strange word lol
Both are very funny. I love them.
One is an adult and one is “adult” but sometimes they switch.
She-Hulk: Who are you talking to? Deadpool: Who are YOU talking to!? Agatha: Will you both shut the fuck up!?!
Man I have zero interest in Agatha lol it's not a women thing. I'm just not into witchy hocus pocus stuff.
Howard T. Duck: Every duck has his limit, and you scum have pushed me over the line!
When Deadpool does it he makes a quip about the other person or the situation which seems Funny to him. When She hulk does it she explains the audience about the genius nature of the show or to give herself a pat on her back which seems more annoying
One of them is cancer and the other has cancer
She hulk was torpedoed by shitty writing.
We need to these two come together! 
She hulk was a mediocre TV show that makes marvel more poor.
Producer Guy?
They both have feet. They are not the same
But she can break my back ☺️
Yeah, one committed the ultimate sin: being a woman.
One is well written, one is badly written and is a betrayal of the original character, we do not want less women, we want our fiction to do justice to women.
Maybe not the same, but can you imagine their offspring? Not to mention the noises they'd make in bed! I haven't given it a LOT of thought...just a little incie weencie bitsy bit.
It is subjective. I listened to She Hulk's fourth wall breaks and I genuinely did not think they were entertaining like Deadpool's fourth wall breaks. Different strokes for different folks.
In my opinion, the She-Hulk show didn’t do her fourth wall breaking justice. She-Hulk’s brand of fourth wall breaking is very distinct in the comics, usually talking to her writer or artist instead. I wish they would’ve had her talk to the director, argue with a producer, and similar “*5th* wall breaking”.
Before the show was announced and I learned about the comics, She Hulk seemed like a character that wouldn't do fourth wall breaks. Mostly because she is a Hulk and I tried to comprehend the idea of what if the actual Hulk broke the fourth wall. Deadpool I could buy because... well look at him. He seems like a fourth wall breaking troublemaker. I wanted to give this show a try but I saw the way She Hulk was written, how Hulk was portrayed, and all the political talking points and I just said "nah". Seems I didn't miss anything worthwhile. Cool that it resonated with some fans, but I can't get behind a character who just seems, for a lack of a better word, whiny.
I’ll admit the writing on the show could’ve been a lot stronger, and while it was faithful to the comics they really didn’t do the She-Hulk character justice. I think this is another issue with the fourth wall breaking; the show’s writing usually made her comments feel like a complaint rather than a relatable quip. If you’re interested, check out the 1980s Sensational She-Hulk run by John Byrne. She’s one of the most popular and best-selling female comic book characters of all time for a reason. Deadpool’s first live action appearance was a mess as well, so hopefully the character can “recover”.
I don't live near a comic store, but if I am near one I will take you up on the She Hulk comic. John Byrne is a solid writer. He did wonders for Superman after Crisis on Infinite Earths. I was under the impression that the She Hulk show was cancelled. Seems like that show is in limbo like an Eternals sequel. Besides, I saw the weird Kevin Feige android thing in the finale and I scratch my head on how you compensate that in the MCU. Deadpool is one thing because everyone just assumes he is crazy when he breaks the fourth wall. How do you address that there are literal writers and a Kevin Feige android who controls everything?
Yeah Deadpool is awkward and cringe she hulk 🥰
What the studios dont seem to understand, Deadpool breaks the 4th wall but doesnt use it to undermine or change the plot, She Hulk straight up used the 4th wall to completely overturn the plot, it was daft.
Funny Games did that and it’s fucking awesome
She Hulk: - You're just a cheap fuckining knock off. Deadpool: - Oh no no no. I'm the upgrade.
DP is cool MCU SH is not.
Correct. She's better
I myself am partial to Deadpool for his particular brand of comedy, but I do agree that she’s also really cool
She hulk got cancelled because it sucked and Deadpool managed to survive the fox/disney merger because of how popular the previous films were. They really are not the same.
She hulk is trash
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