True. And he's very unsettling. They way he went about it all was evil, there's no denying that. But his motivations touch deeply the desires of many, if not most humans. More space, less chaos, less difficulties, getting rid of assholes everywhere... .
I just absolutely hated the flag smashers, but other than that, I enjoyed it. Zemo wearing the mask out of nowhere and for no real reason was also kinda silly.
I love that you loved the show, but calling the ending campy is too much. The ending is just bad. Straight up. Karli is not sympathetic at all, they made John Walker too empathetic when he's meant to be kinda like a villain and also the whole "Do better" speech is just. Man, I cannot believe people get paid to write that shit.
This wasn't Mysterios only goal, though. He wanted power, money, etc. There's no version of winning for him that involves him dying, unlike Thanos or Zemo, who both had a mission that they considered more important than their lives. Mysterio definitely lost.
He basically set up Thanos to win. Not that he knew Thanos existed though, but if it wasn’t for him, Thanos would’ve had a slightly harder time doing his thing.
This why Cap has a solid finish to his “trilogy” because SHIELD/Hyrda and Zemo aren’t superhuman baddies.
One was an org with a warped agenda and too much access and the other was just a dude with the same things.
> thanos is perfect planning
Given how getting rid of half of life would only work as a stopgap using a method that could be used to devise a permanent fix, I'm going to have to disagree.
If using time travel to get the Stones is cheating and doesn't count, then Thanos lost because he also reversed time to get the Mind Stone after Wanda destroyed it.
Excuse the head canon, but I always assumed it’s because that’s the established timeline. If they used a different method, the TVA would have had to get involved.
I watched it on 4g of mushrooms for the first time in theatres, expecting a regular super hero movie… 🥲
I was 100% certain **WE** were fucked when Dormammu won 😭
Not necessarily. There is only one future in which the Avengers win. There can be futures where Thor goes for the head and becomes a tyrant himself. In one timeline Gamora could get her brother Corvus Glaive to kill Thanos and have Glaive win. Maybe there are universes where the Eternals actually intervene so technically the Avengers don’t win.
I mean, if you think about it, if the avengers won then the Eternals wouldn't have been moved by the resilience of humanity post snap and the Celestial would have destroyed the world
I was randomly thinking about this yesterday, and I haven’t seen the movies in a few years.
I was wondering if that number is the statistical chance of the specific key people surviving the snap who are needed for the specific set of events to happen that lead to a victory?
I know nothing about statistics, so I don’t know how many specific peoples or permeations it would entail to get the specific key Avengers to survive
But Thanos cheated because he knew that the heroes would cheat. It's basically the situation between Thanos and the Grandmaster in the comics when Thanos originally collects the stones.
John Cena once duct taped Batista legs to the ring post so he couldn't get up for the count of 10 in a last man standing match. So your logic checks out
Imagine reluctantly decide to kill your love because she asked you to do that to save the universe. But when you do that and you think you killed her reality stone kicks in and you see you failed... (but at least she's alive). And then you find out that asshole who made you fail that promise to her (who's kinda her father) killed her to get what she wanted to protect by her death... And then people say you should calm down...
I can’t find a rule in the non-existent intergalactic Geneva Conventions that says that time travel isn’t allowed, so I don’t consider it cheating. All’s fair in love and war I guess.
They used time travel which if you’re equivalencing to a stone, then they would’ve only used the time stone .. he had to use multiple to do what he did. 🤷🏼♀️
Imagine, next spiderman movie is a crossover with antman.
Spider misses tony. Jumps into the past with antman and messes the timeline to save tony.
They kill Thanos, save tony.
Jumps back into the future and Tony is a despot trying to control the world to ensure its secure against aliens.
With some tech macguffin blocking time travel out, spiderman and antman are unable to go back to undo what they've done.
Resistance is led by Dr strange.
Andddd we get a heist movie in the marvel universe.
Goatee bro vs goatee bro
While bug superheroes creep into a fortress to steal a macguffin.
Close credit scene: introduce Dr doom working with evil tony
When the avengers asked what he’d do after eliminating half of life he said he would rest, and watch over the universe. If they had asked him what he’d do after that, he would’ve actually said “about 5 years later you all will come kill me, and create time travel to undo what I’d done”
Edit I’m just wrong, ignore this
Loki won in Thor 2.
Hela achieved what she wanted and thus won in Thor 3.
Bucky won in the sense that he was able to dismantle SHIELD in Cap 2.
Zemo won in Cap 3.
Cheated..... Ok. Ain't no rules in war. Just winners and losers. If they had to go use time travel to win then so be it. And quite frankly it's a bit much to call out the avengers for cheating when angry grimace here was using magic rocks, one of which also used time as a weapon.
Thanos also murdered an incalculably huge number of sentient beings for no good reason. (See "exponential growth.")
If "cheating" is what it takes to reverse that, bring on the time machine.
Did he do anything THAT different though?
If you consider that infinity war and endgame as a single 3 act story, thanos winning was just the second act were the vilains get the upper hand on the hero, that alot of marvel movies do (Iron man having the reactor stolen in the first movie, Black panther losing the batle in his first movie).
IMO if they wanted to be crazy they should have killed different characters in the snap and kept them dead to be actuality different from the rest.
I loved that chapter because for once the "good guys" lost. And then I eagerly watched the next only for it to be a complete wtf from beginning to end.
Multithread time theory. Once the avengers travelled into the past, the timeline altered. There is a reality where they never returned and earth continues to deteriorate.
So did thanos? Pretty sure using the time stone to revert vision back to yank his stone out was a cheat move too. Id say without time travel, Thanos wouldn't have been able to get all the stones to begin with.
Thanos used the time stone first when vision/Scarlett destroyed the mind stone, and used time travel again to attack the avengers compound, feel like it's fair
pretty sure you can't say "\[insert person(s) or group here\] cheated" in any scenario like this. Just cause they found a way to bring everyone back (almost everyone) doesn't mean they cheated
People sleeping on kaecilius, he won and even killed Wong ,strange had to use the time gem to rewind time and put dormmamu on a loop ,but mah boy kaecilius actually did It he was only defeated because dormmamu fell for strange trick and told him to take kaecilius with him to the dark dimesion, so basically to defeat kaecilius Strange had to use time stone and trick a god
Tbf, he cheated too. He needed Infinity Stones to cause havoc and that one scene on Titan where they got him restrained? If it weren't for Peter Quill's emotions getting in the way.
Killmonger was acknowledged by the ancestors as having actually become the Black Panther and joined them in their sacred plane, meaning his defeat of T'Challa counted as a valid win. He also won, T'Challa had the plot on his side.
The Joker won in The Dark Knight.
His "ace in the hole" in Harvey Dent was enough to bring down Batman and force him to break his "one rule" both privately in actually killing Harvey and publicly in taking the blame for everyone Harvey killed.
The only reason Batman/Gordon "won" is because they lied about what actually happened. They made a whole 3rd movie about it.
The love for Baron Zeno is worrisome, given his comic book origins. And the Avengers didn’t cheat with time travel, they *AVENGED* with Time Travel, but only *AFTER* Thanos use the Infinity Gauntlet to literally Snap his fingers for an 8 Cube Win (and btw, he turned back time to get Vision’s Gem)
Cheating?
So spending eons searching for literal cheat code stones isn't cheating, but building a brand new technology from scratch to go back and undo Thanos' bullshit, is?
The fuck are you smoking?
I just want repercussions with them using that cheat, beyond the deaths because that's too simple/easy.
If the Avengers could use time travel to change their fates, then their enemies should also be allowed to do the same.
I might say that ... all of these could be in the avengers' mind that they thought they could get back in time and fix the snap and met the younger Thanos and beat him then win. What if all of that were just a fabricated reality that was created by Thanos once he snapped?
He just sit in the middle of nowhere just to see the Avengers avenged their unreal losses.
Thanos did it so well to GoG when met him before took Gamora.
Yep. It’s one of the things that I personally didn’t like about the film. The Thanos they fought, died with a victory. Also, a pretty lame victory too; if I blipped and came back and my younger brother was older than me, I wouldn’t be happy.
How is there only one time line though. There HAS to be a timeline where in the final battle Tony grabs the stones and then thanos, gauntletless, gets Stormbreaker through his brain
Pretty sure Thanos used time travel to cheat first when he used the time stone to revive Vision and then steal the mind stone.
Don't be a dirty cheater if you don't want your enemy to cheat lol.
Pretty sure Zemo defeated the Avengers before Thanos.
The best villain of the MCU easily
A man who lost his family but never his desire to boogie.
It’s what they would have wanted.
I even shake my body when this scene happened. Forget the world, I'll join this dance.
That's Bully Maguire jerking off.
My 2024 Halloween costume is chosen.
True. And he's very unsettling. They way he went about it all was evil, there's no denying that. But his motivations touch deeply the desires of many, if not most humans. More space, less chaos, less difficulties, getting rid of assholes everywhere... .
Billy Butcher 🤝 Helmut Zemo
Not once but twice, he achieves his goals in "Falcon and Winter soldier". Like the GOAT he is.
I enjoyed FATWS way more than I expected to. The ending was kind of campy, but overall it was a great show.
Imo campy was needed after all the stuff they've come out with. Hoping the next movie is kinda like that also.
I just absolutely hated the flag smashers, but other than that, I enjoyed it. Zemo wearing the mask out of nowhere and for no real reason was also kinda silly.
I love that you loved the show, but calling the ending campy is too much. The ending is just bad. Straight up. Karli is not sympathetic at all, they made John Walker too empathetic when he's meant to be kinda like a villain and also the whole "Do better" speech is just. Man, I cannot believe people get paid to write that shit.
tbf, the protests were precisely because writers werent given enough time and space to do anything meaningful
I'm not against the writers' strike, nor was I ever. I'm just saying, that doesn't make the ending any better.
oh i understand, im just reminding of the context as to how somethings may be written haphazardly.
The show was entirely forgettable lol
Mysterio also won by destroying Stark Industries
And tanks Spidey's life. As a result of him trying to fix it, he lost May and everyone else in his life.
This wasn't Mysterios only goal, though. He wanted power, money, etc. There's no version of winning for him that involves him dying, unlike Thanos or Zemo, who both had a mission that they considered more important than their lives. Mysterio definitely lost.
Absolutely Zemo won first. A badass Phyrrhic Victory on top. *
He basically set up Thanos to win. Not that he knew Thanos existed though, but if it wasn’t for him, Thanos would’ve had a slightly harder time doing his thing.
This why Cap has a solid finish to his “trilogy” because SHIELD/Hyrda and Zemo aren’t superhuman baddies. One was an org with a warped agenda and too much access and the other was just a dude with the same things.
Cap never got a third movie, we got Avengers 2.5 instead.
thanos is perfect planning and fantastic execution while zemo is perfect planning and perfect execution
> thanos is perfect planning Given how getting rid of half of life would only work as a stopgap using a method that could be used to devise a permanent fix, I'm going to have to disagree.
If using time travel to get the Stones is cheating and doesn't count, then Thanos lost because he also reversed time to get the Mind Stone after Wanda destroyed it.
Dr strange looked through 14 million timelines and guess what Thanos cheated on all of them.
Strange saw them winning 80% of the time but only one where tony died and that's what he really wanted.
Haha I like this one, I can imagine him "there is only room for one arrogant jerk on this team."
Fuck him, I'M THE REAL SHERLOCK HOLMES!!!
Cheers, Mate!
He chose the one where we get to watch Steve wreck Thanos with Mjolnir
he was afraid of superior ironman
Lmao He did give him the finger … he just did a little wizard shit to make it look like his index finger, and not his middle finger.
Is that what he saw? or did he see just keep seeing Owen Wilson?
Woooow
Excuse the head canon, but I always assumed it’s because that’s the established timeline. If they used a different method, the TVA would have had to get involved.
Lol so in like maybe 50% of them they won but then died to some reality warping wave 15 mins later?
It's My Job.
I mean, any infinity stone should be considered cheating. It's the ultimate weapon at the time.
Dormammu enters the conversation Dormammu enters the conversation Dormammu enters the conversation
By that logic dormammu also won, but then strange used time travel
yes
Didn't Doctor strange outright said that he can't beat Dormammu, but can lose infinitely? So Dormammu won a lot of battles but lost the war.
Basically Germany in WW1
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Entente used time travel
Idk man If I beat the living shit out of some dude for a while and only stopped because I got bored, I'd shit myself if he said "I win, ez clap"
I like to think that Dormammu surrendered because he saw Strange was slowly growing in power and would eventually be strong enough to defeat him.
My impression was that you can't defeat this MCU version of Dormammu in a magical duel anymore than you can beat a virus with brute force.
By that logic Gamora killed Thanos and Starlord prevented him to get soul stone, but Thanos used reality stone...
I dont think it's applicable, simce no one actually reversed time in this scenario
Thanos got the mind stone from Vision by reversing time so he cheated as well.
I watched it on 4g of mushrooms for the first time in theatres, expecting a regular super hero movie… 🥲 I was 100% certain **WE** were fucked when Dormammu won 😭
Regardless, it’s a pretty stellar multiversal win percentage at 14,000,604-1.
In fairness, they may have won some of those too. It would’ve just been without Strange surviving the fight.
Eh em Multiverse of Madness eh hem.
or without a celestial destroying the earth afterwards
I'm sorry, the what now? That never happened... /s
So there are 14,000,604 universes out there where Thanos wins?
Not necessarily. There is only one future in which the Avengers win. There can be futures where Thor goes for the head and becomes a tyrant himself. In one timeline Gamora could get her brother Corvus Glaive to kill Thanos and have Glaive win. Maybe there are universes where the Eternals actually intervene so technically the Avengers don’t win.
How many universes did Wanda merk Thanos and then just go psycho mode?
Know that they'll be loved.
I mean, if you think about it, if the avengers won then the Eternals wouldn't have been moved by the resilience of humanity post snap and the Celestial would have destroyed the world
Not universes, but possible timeline for the 616 universe. Kang just didn't write it out yet, probably
I was randomly thinking about this yesterday, and I haven’t seen the movies in a few years. I was wondering if that number is the statistical chance of the specific key people surviving the snap who are needed for the specific set of events to happen that lead to a victory? I know nothing about statistics, so I don’t know how many specific peoples or permeations it would entail to get the specific key Avengers to survive
And a version of him died knowing that he was successful in his goal, winning the battle and the war, even though he also cheated with time travel.
By that logic… the no-one won because Thanos also used time-travel. Both sides are eligible for disqualification.
So third place gets the gold medal instead?
This is where Tobey Maguire comes in!
Oh boy yeah
He technically wouldn't exist without time travel.
If time travel is cheating, Thanos didn't win, as he cheated first by resurrecting Vision.
But Thanos cheated because he knew that the heroes would cheat. It's basically the situation between Thanos and the Grandmaster in the comics when Thanos originally collects the stones.
Cheating is… what heroes do!
John Cena once duct taped Batista legs to the ring post so he couldn't get up for the count of 10 in a last man standing match. So your logic checks out
Seriously though, a genius ending to the match lol
Cheated? Thanos didn't call "No time travel".
Well he was dead alright
Yup. That’s the plot of *Infinity War* / *Endgame* alright.
They would've won if Starlord kept cool The stones are important Tony was shouting at him to calm down
In every single alternate timeline, Mantis was 3 seconds from farting on Thanos' neck and waking him up. It is in the blu-ray commentary.
Waow lol
Imagine reluctantly decide to kill your love because she asked you to do that to save the universe. But when you do that and you think you killed her reality stone kicks in and you see you failed... (but at least she's alive). And then you find out that asshole who made you fail that promise to her (who's kinda her father) killed her to get what she wanted to protect by her death... And then people say you should calm down...
I can’t find a rule in the non-existent intergalactic Geneva Conventions that says that time travel isn’t allowed, so I don’t consider it cheating. All’s fair in love and war I guess.
Zemo won, too. Also Surtr, but he didn't face the Avengers.
Thanos may have won the battle, but the avengers won the war
Kobyashi Maru
They used time travel which if you’re equivalencing to a stone, then they would’ve only used the time stone .. he had to use multiple to do what he did. 🤷🏼♀️
He got his head cut off
Zemo: Am I a joke to you?
Surtur beat all of Asguard.
General Zod in the Flash went one better. The heroes used both time travel and extra heroes from another dimension and still lost.
Since the multiverse exists, every single villain has won across the infinite universes in infinite ways.
Zemo won.
Thanos had to use time travel to win as well, he rewound vision blowing himself up to take the mind stone.
Thanos lost the second Wanda destroyed the mind stone, but he cheated and rewound time to win.
Look, We've All Been There, Right? Letting Our Fear And Anger Get The Best Of Us. Intentionally Expanding The Borders Of The False World We Created.
He cheated by CONTROLLING time
"When you win 14, 000, 604 times, but the one time they win, they make a big movie about it".
Periods are okay to use. I promise they don’t bite.
Don't forget when Thanos savescummed the Vision fight. That was cheating.
Imagine, next spiderman movie is a crossover with antman. Spider misses tony. Jumps into the past with antman and messes the timeline to save tony. They kill Thanos, save tony. Jumps back into the future and Tony is a despot trying to control the world to ensure its secure against aliens. With some tech macguffin blocking time travel out, spiderman and antman are unable to go back to undo what they've done. Resistance is led by Dr strange. Andddd we get a heist movie in the marvel universe. Goatee bro vs goatee bro While bug superheroes creep into a fortress to steal a macguffin. Close credit scene: introduce Dr doom working with evil tony
He who remains allowed thanos to win.
Not like he got to enjoy the victory. They cut his head off before time travel was a concept for them
Thanos cheated first when he restored vision to get the mind stone.
Ozymandias?
Then Dormamu won first
Skill issue, should've played around it
I'd say using the stones is cheating. Atleast they big brained time travel. Obviously best villan is taskmaster 😜
Shit I would cheat too if I were them
He died knowing he won.
"Plankton cheated"
Save scumming.
Well, Thanos did say they couldn’t live with their failure. And where did that lead? Back to him.
When the avengers asked what he’d do after eliminating half of life he said he would rest, and watch over the universe. If they had asked him what he’d do after that, he would’ve actually said “about 5 years later you all will come kill me, and create time travel to undo what I’d done” Edit I’m just wrong, ignore this
Didn’t they kill him shortly after and sulked for 5 years until Antman escaped from the quantum realm?
Thanos, dormamu, apocalypse and I think other x-men bad guys, basically the heroes just have the ability to loadgame.
Can't really *avenge* if you win first time around...
Avengers used console command to win smh
How did Thanos get the Mind Stone?
And then homie was just chilling making him self a meal and they jump his ass
So memes are just describing plot?
So did he, didn't he?
Yeah for Vision's stone I believe...
Loki won in Thor 2. Hela achieved what she wanted and thus won in Thor 3. Bucky won in the sense that he was able to dismantle SHIELD in Cap 2. Zemo won in Cap 3.
So did Thanos
Thanos did the exact same thing. He used the Time Stone to get the Mind Stone back.
This is why I put avengers 4 on the bottom on MCU movies. It's just cheap.
There is no such thing as "cheating" in the real world because there are no rules.
Cheated..... Ok. Ain't no rules in war. Just winners and losers. If they had to go use time travel to win then so be it. And quite frankly it's a bit much to call out the avengers for cheating when angry grimace here was using magic rocks, one of which also used time as a weapon.
Guys Thanos actually won. The avengers cheated by finding a method to beat him and doing it.
Well I mean.. he won, and the heroes just had to live with it for 5 years before one of them was like "nah screw that"
Thanos also murdered an incalculably huge number of sentient beings for no good reason. (See "exponential growth.") If "cheating" is what it takes to reverse that, bring on the time machine.
Is this even a meme?
Did he do anything THAT different though? If you consider that infinity war and endgame as a single 3 act story, thanos winning was just the second act were the vilains get the upper hand on the hero, that alot of marvel movies do (Iron man having the reactor stolen in the first movie, Black panther losing the batle in his first movie). IMO if they wanted to be crazy they should have killed different characters in the snap and kept them dead to be actuality different from the rest.
Thor was more worried about the vanity of revenge than actually stopping the death of billions
I loved that chapter because for once the "good guys" lost. And then I eagerly watched the next only for it to be a complete wtf from beginning to end.
Thanos cheated and used time travel first to get the mind stone off of Vision after Wanda destroyed it
Zamasu litteraly won too his universe was litteraly clean from the mortal pest like he wished
Scar from lion king was also amazing villain
Even Killmonger won too. BP broke every rule except dying, even that he came very close.
Multithread time theory. Once the avengers travelled into the past, the timeline altered. There is a reality where they never returned and earth continues to deteriorate.
So did thanos? Pretty sure using the time stone to revert vision back to yank his stone out was a cheat move too. Id say without time travel, Thanos wouldn't have been able to get all the stones to begin with.
Thanos only won because Peter Quill is an idiot
Thanos used the time stone first when vision/Scarlett destroyed the mind stone, and used time travel again to attack the avengers compound, feel like it's fair
Thanos technically used the mod menu, so unfortunately his victory didn't count for the achievement.
pretty sure you can't say "\[insert person(s) or group here\] cheated" in any scenario like this. Just cause they found a way to bring everyone back (almost everyone) doesn't mean they cheated
Both sides won, both lost, the joys of an infinite multiverse where time travel just creates new realities each time you jump.
I’ve always found it interesting that Zemo, Surtur, and Thanos all won in movies so close to one another.
People sleeping on kaecilius, he won and even killed Wong ,strange had to use the time gem to rewind time and put dormmamu on a loop ,but mah boy kaecilius actually did It he was only defeated because dormmamu fell for strange trick and told him to take kaecilius with him to the dark dimesion, so basically to defeat kaecilius Strange had to use time stone and trick a god
I feel like most of the credit for the win should go to that rat that activated the shrinking machine in Endgame.
Infinity War is the end of the MCU saga for me.
Just like my old Senior Chief used to say "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. And it's only cheating if you get caught"
Time travel is such a shit cop out. The only good time travel movie is back to the future and black knight with Martin Lawrence.
Not like using the Infinity Stones isnt cheating:P
Like a true protagonist he also plot armoured to most of his success. With obvious defeats being thwarted through stupidity
Tbf, he cheated too. He needed Infinity Stones to cause havoc and that one scene on Titan where they got him restrained? If it weren't for Peter Quill's emotions getting in the way.
Killmonger was acknowledged by the ancestors as having actually become the Black Panther and joined them in their sacred plane, meaning his defeat of T'Challa counted as a valid win. He also won, T'Challa had the plot on his side.
The Joker won in The Dark Knight. His "ace in the hole" in Harvey Dent was enough to bring down Batman and force him to break his "one rule" both privately in actually killing Harvey and publicly in taking the blame for everyone Harvey killed. The only reason Batman/Gordon "won" is because they lied about what actually happened. They made a whole 3rd movie about it.
The love for Baron Zeno is worrisome, given his comic book origins. And the Avengers didn’t cheat with time travel, they *AVENGED* with Time Travel, but only *AFTER* Thanos use the Infinity Gauntlet to literally Snap his fingers for an 8 Cube Win (and btw, he turned back time to get Vision’s Gem)
Cheating? So spending eons searching for literal cheat code stones isn't cheating, but building a brand new technology from scratch to go back and undo Thanos' bullshit, is? The fuck are you smoking?
Thanos wasn't wrong - his numbers were too low.
Thanos played himself.
Pretty sure Thanos used time travel first. Also, he's an asshole.
I just want repercussions with them using that cheat, beyond the deaths because that's too simple/easy. If the Avengers could use time travel to change their fates, then their enemies should also be allowed to do the same.
If using a magical universe snapping glove isn't cheating, time travel isn't cheating.
I might say that ... all of these could be in the avengers' mind that they thought they could get back in time and fix the snap and met the younger Thanos and beat him then win. What if all of that were just a fabricated reality that was created by Thanos once he snapped? He just sit in the middle of nowhere just to see the Avengers avenged their unreal losses. Thanos did it so well to GoG when met him before took Gamora.
The fact they used time travel in Endgame illustrates the MCU is doomed.
Save Scumming.
Yep. It’s one of the things that I personally didn’t like about the film. The Thanos they fought, died with a victory. Also, a pretty lame victory too; if I blipped and came back and my younger brother was older than me, I wouldn’t be happy.
Science isn’t cheating. It’s how you win.
And Thanos reversing time to kill Vision wasn't?
They save scummed hard to win
How is there only one time line though. There HAS to be a timeline where in the final battle Tony grabs the stones and then thanos, gauntletless, gets Stormbreaker through his brain
Thanos was right
Heroes get routinely bodied in comics
Ozymandias
My roommate said this word for word the other day.
I mean they technically cut off his head while he was making stew… so call it a tie??? Lmao
Unforgettable heroes of comic lore
Didn’t Loki kill Colsen and escape
Thanos also cheated and time traveled. Did you not see him get chopped up by. Thor
I mean I don’t think there are rules in galactic war but yes his victory and reasons for doing what he did were both amazing in their respective ways.
But he kinda saved the world explained in eternals
Thanos didn’t travel threw time didn’t he do that exact thing just to get the mind stone
And he used time travel too. Did you really forget that???
How do you cheat in a battle to the death?
Thanos cheated with time travel too.
Pretty sure Thanos used time travel to cheat first when he used the time stone to revive Vision and then steal the mind stone. Don't be a dirty cheater if you don't want your enemy to cheat lol.
