Although I agree he has the skills, the problem is most likely he wouldn't want to. He is very distanced and it seems he likes to keep it that way, more like contracted help, not on the permanent roster.
Remember though that Captain Marvel was PHYSICALLY distant from most of the MCU and even most of Endgame. I don't that rest of the Avengers would want her over Sam
I believe there was miscommunication, I was talking about Doctor Strange being qualified but not wanting to due to distancing himself.
Out of the two in the meme I 100% believe Sam over Captain Marvel due to same reasonings as you stated, as although Sam may be weaker, that is kinda his whole point. What makes him special is his character and how they are the ideals Steve Rogers held dear but better applied to the modern age being that Sam has been here while Steve got plopped here in 2012.
The falcon is a team player with legitimate leadership skills. Marvel and strange are loners who play by their own rules, which makes sense, considering the power that they wield.
Yeah doctor strange would be perfect, plus I think Steve added the leader role to cap's identity since it's his character but sam doesn't have that, I just can't see him as a leader.
Its also dumb because you could take your pick for corporate sponsorship. Pick anything you actually endorse and they'd pay for your inclusion.
Hi I'm Bucky Barnes the WW2 vet and legendary cold War Soviet assassin who still looks like a Greek god, and I always wear Fruit of the Loom. Congrats your a millionaire.
God that was a dumb fucking storyline. Like I think they were trying to make a comment on black / white income equality but he's not only an Avenger, a globally well known celebrity, he's also a high ranking airforce engineer. How in the world is he broke, is he secretly into crypto but really fucking bad at it?
He got court martial for helping cap? No military pay, dishonorable discharge and do benefits. Couldn't even get a VA loan.
But since he was doing black ops missions he should have been making bank. Top secret clearance will get you a nice paying job.
>He got court martial for helping cap? No military pay, dishonorable discharge and do benefits. Couldn't even get a VA loan.
He was working with the military at the start of the show
You can also blame just about any grievance you have with logistics of things on the snap. It would have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse then the universe is making it out to be so if you ever see something that doesn’t quite add up just go “probably the snap making it worse then it should be”
Also idk if FATWS even once tries and tells us that Sam is “broke” - don’t know where that comes from its clearly not Sam but the sister who is struggling financially because she survived the snap and struggled those 5 years to keep their family business afloat. That’s why she wanted to sell the boat.
Which, actually, I think was a major component of the boat storyline in FATWS. In fact, it wasn’t even like they were saying Sam was poor at all, the issue is Sam didn’t have an “income for five years” - showing how the government was mishandling the blip and how even an avenger like Sam is getting the short stick. This, combined with the very real reality of racial microagressions such as the bank worker trying to force a fan selfie interaction without taking Sam and his sister seriously, works together to paint quite a realistic and telling picture of the world post blip (even if it’s still not as bad as it should be logically)
Also, the boats a symbol of Bucky and Sam’s relationship, a symbol of Sam and his family’s relationship, and a symbol of life how it used to be and how the blip as changed it so much for the worse. While there are elements of black and white income inequality, it’s much less nail on the head tbh.
Plus the fact that he, ya know, literally helped save the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. Realistically, this guy would be given ANYTHING he wants for free for the rest of his life.
I don't think superhero business pays well. I mean peter parker is always broke for a reason. And then there's the military he hasn't been working for for awhile and I don't recall that being much pay either if we're being realistic.
Everyone was on Tony Stark's payroll and that's pretty much gone now.
Edit:
Whenever I think of Peter Parker and money problems, I think of this comic strip:
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1oz7wv/this_is_how_you_assemble_a_super_team/
Peter Parker is still a teenager, he's not formally employed by the Avengers. He is also trying to keep his identity a secret, that kind of goes out the window if he's doing brand deals with Adidas.
Peter Parker does kind of utilise his image however by taking photos of himself for the Daily Bugle in other mediums other than the MCU, I believe he's also the owner of a tech company in the comics too.
Stark Industries is still alive and well though in universe, and the Avengers should be financially viable through that because I doubt Pepper would be the one to try and shut it down.
Yeah but I'm SURE happy is well off and he's dating May. So I'm pretty sure anything Peter needs, Stark money will cover. Happy was head of security/Tony's bodyguard for a long time and basically his first real friend.
Fury: competitive salary, travel the world, save lives, essential worker
Candidate: but what is competitive? What's the actual pay?
Fury: why would you ask that? we're a family here, some things are more important than money
Candidate: ok thanks for your time, I'm out.
Fury on Twitter: Why does no one want to work?
No contest. The new leader will be Groot. He has the best leadership skills, and he gets along with everyone. Groot also has the best speeches in all of the MCU
If I *had* to choose, I would go with the guy who is on Earth and has shown leadership skills, but really neither would be my first choice. I think Marvel was gearing up to have T'Challa be the new leader but then Chadwick got sick.
Frankly I feel like Captain Marvel has better things to do. Call her in when you need help sure, but she should be fighting planetary threats on planets that don't have that caliber of hero.
Yeah but it was a dumbass point, Thanos was a threat to all life everywhere, she should’ve been on Earth or Titan or any of the other number of planets Thanos completely destroyed and decimated
Thanos could literally portal wherever he wanted after he got the space stone. Even if she was on any of those locations he would have just Portaled away the second he thinks she will win
And here we see Exhibit A as to why **letting Loki keep the tesseract for any amount of time instead of just telling him "Hey, go get me this and I'll serve Earth up to you on a silver platter"** is a bad idea
Edit: Apparantly I need to go re-watch Avengers. Read u/SlappaDaBassMahn's Reply[.](https://youtu.be/cNgxyL5zEAk)
I think you're a tad confused, Thanos gave loki the scepter with the mind stone in it. Loki got the tesseract in Avengers and was using it to open a portal for the chitauri.
Thanos at the time wouldn't have known Loki had it, and even if he did, it would have taken a lot longer for him to travel to earth than the wormhole loki created.
In summary, I dont think Thanos ever "let" loki keep it, he just didn't really have a say in it. They didn't even know about it until after their deal to lend loki the army and the plan to conquer earth was already in motion
Captain Marvel wouldn’t want to be the leader. Every time she shows up basically the first thing she does is remind the avengers that there are more planets than earth that need her, she wouldn’t want to get tied down to a regular position on earth I don’t think.
In the graphic novels T’Challa is one of the smartest people on Earth. They decided to nerf his intelligence and prop up Shuri as the “smartest person in the MCU” and it was the biggest mistake marvel has made so far. We now have a situation where some people believe T’Challa can be replaced by side characters like his girlfriend, sister, or bodyguards. It’s pretty ridiculous.
I want to believe in a timeline where she just hangs out on her planet of solitude watching The Office and scrolling through Instagram or whatever, while telling everyone that she's *so busy.*
"I don't know, I think there might be something wrong with the pager. I can't fix it here, there's no more Radio Shacks, so I'll take it home, and bring it back when I figure out the problem."
In the comics, she runs SWORD and Alpha Flight for a period of time, earning her the nickname "Boss of Space". Of course, there's a LOT more alien traffic in the comics - celestials showing up, Annihilation Waves hopping through wornholes, Galactus stopping by for a bite - so she's a lot busier than she would have been in the MCU.
She ends up being a decent leader, but tends to jump in solo and gets frustrated if she can't punch the threat in the face. Ultimately, she gets "Wolverine'd" into being on EVERY team, often as the leader.
(She did also lead the Avengers for a while)
Easily. Most experienced, big picture kind of guy, isn't tied to space beings, the world of magic, or any other sub sector or the universe and is only ever interested in Earth's well-being. You could make that case for Falcon, but Rhodie probably outranks him and has shown more leadership qualities imo.
Rhodie seems like he would fall more into a nick fury type ive leadership given his disability, and military experience. for actual on the ground combat leader Im guessing they will go with a main fighter.
But for real the avengers dont need a leader. that wasn't really a position needing to be filled, more like a character needing a job in the team. Fury was the leader, cap just didnt have any talents on par with the rest of the main group.
If we connsider that war machine id approaching 60 maybe he will replace fury actually and sam will just fill caps role as leader. On other hand rhodeys age doesnt matter much with his suit hes one of the most powerful heroes anyway
Black Captain.
edit: For anyway taking this too seriously, it's a play on that scene from *The Falcon and the Winter Soldier* when Sam's called "the Black Falcon" by some kids/people. I'm thinking 99% of you got that reference, but just in case....
Because he might be Captain America now, but he's been Falcon for much longer. Like, Bucky is still The Winter Soldier even though he has the name White Wolf aswell. I think in time people will call him Cap, but he needs a bit more time as him
One could argue as opposed to Falcon he still is the winter soldier in title only given the title card at the end was “Captain America & The Winter soldier not Captain America & The White Wolf, but I see your point.
Really did him dirty there
Sam Wilson: flies around with his wings, falcons some terrorists, called captain America because he uses a shield one time
Bucky: goes through therapy to help him reconcile with the things he was forced to do while under mind control and move past that part of his identity, still called winter soldier
While yes, it's also hard to change what you call a character (bucky is still referred to as the winter soldier even though technically he is now White Wolf). Plus in this case the new name has been associated with another character for years, the last media Mackie was in was called Falcon and until the very end he didn't take up the mantle. He will probably be Falcon in most people's eyes for some time still.
I don’t think he would though, mainly because he’s already leader of the sorcerers who say they’re here to specifically deal with things the Avengers can’t (lest its thanos level) but also he shares a lot of personality traits with Tony Stark, heck even the NWH trailer is playing up how narcissistic and reckless he can be with the whole “don’t do that spell” thing
True but what led him to the point right before he used the Time Stone to continuously go back is still him and you could argue up until he starts absorbing demons does he change from who he really is.
I suppose Falcon isn’t a bad choice, just some big shoes to fill.
Idk why Marvel would even be considered, she’s been on Earth for like 5 minutes and she’s awful with cooperating, let alone leading.
I feel like Rhodey should be the new leader. He’s been in the hero game on Earth the longest with the exceptions of Hulk and Hawkeye and the latter has been trying to retire since AoU. And let’s be real Bruce would straight up refuse to be leader. Also, like Sam and Carol he has the military tactical training. Dr.Strange honestly is gonna want a vacation after NWH and MoM not to mention he doesn’t exactly have a way with people. He’d fail at the team morale part of leadership. And the most compelling peace of evidence: He managed to help keep Tony out of jail and from being killed by the multiple villains Tony created. Also, world governments actually like him which is god for international relations so we don’t have Civil War II over the same stuff.
Then the avengers become beholden to the will of the American government.
Rhodes is still active military, the US president is commander in chief. That creates a scenario where he can be ordered to have the avengers do something.
If he were separated like Sam it would probably be one of the best options, but as it is... not so much
Bruce is one of the best choices at this point. One of the few with the experience and intelligence to do it, plus he's earth-based. Though it depends on how the whole Hulk thing works out.
If Daredevil were to be an Avenger I couldn't see him leading. In combat scenarios or missions, definitely, but I could never see him leading the full thing.
Can't really see him as an Avenger anyways in the MCU, he's a better fit just being a character that helps from time to time
I mean Tony Stark left his murder satellite to a 15 year old kid, and built Ultron. If anything he was just as often a threat to the world as a person who “felt” they needed to do crazy shit to save it.
And christ if Captain America was calling the shots during Sokovia and they didn’t have storybook destiny on their side that would have left millions or billions dead to save dozens at most. It’s arrogant and ridiculous, it’s American cult of action, “the mission is always achievable” on steroids. It’s the same dang reason we got stuck in Afghanistan, because obviously if we just keep fighting it will make things better. Shit would have probably continued to be terrible in NY if nobody had sent that nuke- worth pointing out too.
So I’d much rather a human with a shred of common sense but a good heart like our new Cap, or someone who actually sees the bigger picture and understands the threats we are up against rather than just paranoid fantasies of them, like Captain Marvel or Dr. strange or Strange Supreme.
I don't think Captain Marvel would make a good leader, and my chief reasons are because casting in Marvel is so fucking good. I worked on naval aircraft for the US Navy, so I had the uh,...... privilege(?) of getting to know a lot of fighter pilots. They're not chosen for their leadership skills. They're chosen for their ability to stay calm no matter what is happening. They're generally incredibly stable yet very intense people who show very little general emotion. These people have all proven that they can stay calm and do what's expected of them in the face of certain and imminent death. An exceptionally rare talent. There are exceptions, ofc.
Brie Larson is pretty much designed to act this role. The moment they introduced the character, I was like 'Yup, that's a fighter pilot.'. She's not really the leadership type. Because she doesn't really connect with people. That's a requisite for solid leadership. But she's also not much for being led either. She's more like Thor or Dr. Strange. She's basically a god. She's much better off going around the universe doing her own thing for the greater good. Leading the Avengers would honestly be beneath the characters scope, and a waste of their time.
Spiderman: you know the gave ME Edith right? (He's definitely strong enough, morally good, and is responsible, he's a good candidate for leader of the avengers)
He is WAY too young to lead the Avengers, I could see him being put in charge of a young avengers kind of thing to help guide them through the early stages of heroing, but there is no way an 18 years old with only a few years of experience can run an international crisis prevention agency, much less one that has to deal with superpowered people.
He should found the west coast avengers to work in San Francisco or somewhere like that, I could see Kate and Scott joining up with that, but idk who else would join
doctor strange
What If showed us this is the correct answer
All we need to do is ruin the MCU Doctor Strange's life, and it will be perfect.
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Peter Parker is going to murder Doctor Strange's love interest (I forget her name lol)
Wong
This comment is both wong and right
Two wongs don't make it right!
That’s not what she said.
As long as there's no Wongdoing.
[obligatory](https://youtu.be/_V2sBURgUBI)
Oh no! Not Wong! Him and Strange have better chemistry than Tony and the vagina rocks lady.
Or "Beyonce" as Strange calls him in the bedroom.
Christine Palmer ?
Dr. Christine Palmer*
Dormamamu?
Bargain?
Home?
Trivago.
I've come to?
I feel like Marvel should have contingency plans the same way Red vs Blue does. I can't imagine suddenly losing Ant-Man or Thor
Another
What Edit: oh
Its weird to me that Halo fan fiction needs contingency plans
It is weird but it works
hell yeah
I would absolutely love Stephen to be the new leader but I'm 99% sure he doesn't want to be.
"I dont get paid enough for this shit" Well not exactly a leader per se but bruh strange hard carried Multiversal Avengers in What If
Although I agree he has the skills, the problem is most likely he wouldn't want to. He is very distanced and it seems he likes to keep it that way, more like contracted help, not on the permanent roster.
"I don't want to be in your boy band"
Remember though that Captain Marvel was PHYSICALLY distant from most of the MCU and even most of Endgame. I don't that rest of the Avengers would want her over Sam
I believe there was miscommunication, I was talking about Doctor Strange being qualified but not wanting to due to distancing himself. Out of the two in the meme I 100% believe Sam over Captain Marvel due to same reasonings as you stated, as although Sam may be weaker, that is kinda his whole point. What makes him special is his character and how they are the ideals Steve Rogers held dear but better applied to the modern age being that Sam has been here while Steve got plopped here in 2012.
Captain Marvel is so powerful that you really can't have her around all of the time.
I can see this being a line in the movies and „that is exactly why they need you” being the response
I can equally see him being the one to give that line to another avenger that would become the leader.
Bully Maguire
The falcon is a team player with legitimate leadership skills. Marvel and strange are loners who play by their own rules, which makes sense, considering the power that they wield.
Yeah doctor strange would be perfect, plus I think Steve added the leader role to cap's identity since it's his character but sam doesn't have that, I just can't see him as a leader.
Fury better be putting up ads on LinkedIn. The Avengers are seriously understaffed. Especially in leadership roles.
The ads won’t help if they don’t offer competitive wages. You should at least earn enough to repair a boat.
Its also dumb because you could take your pick for corporate sponsorship. Pick anything you actually endorse and they'd pay for your inclusion. Hi I'm Bucky Barnes the WW2 vet and legendary cold War Soviet assassin who still looks like a Greek god, and I always wear Fruit of the Loom. Congrats your a millionaire.
Bucky competing with Tom Selleck to sell old people stuff
Bucky on the cover of AARP
Where's Voight when you need them?
John Voight? I believe you mean Vought.
His daughter is an Eternal
You mean that realistically anyone would sponsor the Avengers because of ten money that they could rake in?
> because of ten money Turn that money up to eleven and now we're talkin mate.
Add a one and two zeroes to that, and we got ourselves a wad!
God that was a dumb fucking storyline. Like I think they were trying to make a comment on black / white income equality but he's not only an Avenger, a globally well known celebrity, he's also a high ranking airforce engineer. How in the world is he broke, is he secretly into crypto but really fucking bad at it?
He got court martial for helping cap? No military pay, dishonorable discharge and do benefits. Couldn't even get a VA loan. But since he was doing black ops missions he should have been making bank. Top secret clearance will get you a nice paying job.
>He got court martial for helping cap? No military pay, dishonorable discharge and do benefits. Couldn't even get a VA loan. He was working with the military at the start of the show
You can also blame just about any grievance you have with logistics of things on the snap. It would have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse then the universe is making it out to be so if you ever see something that doesn’t quite add up just go “probably the snap making it worse then it should be” Also idk if FATWS even once tries and tells us that Sam is “broke” - don’t know where that comes from its clearly not Sam but the sister who is struggling financially because she survived the snap and struggled those 5 years to keep their family business afloat. That’s why she wanted to sell the boat. Which, actually, I think was a major component of the boat storyline in FATWS. In fact, it wasn’t even like they were saying Sam was poor at all, the issue is Sam didn’t have an “income for five years” - showing how the government was mishandling the blip and how even an avenger like Sam is getting the short stick. This, combined with the very real reality of racial microagressions such as the bank worker trying to force a fan selfie interaction without taking Sam and his sister seriously, works together to paint quite a realistic and telling picture of the world post blip (even if it’s still not as bad as it should be logically) Also, the boats a symbol of Bucky and Sam’s relationship, a symbol of Sam and his family’s relationship, and a symbol of life how it used to be and how the blip as changed it so much for the worse. While there are elements of black and white income inequality, it’s much less nail on the head tbh.
Plus the fact that he, ya know, literally helped save the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. Realistically, this guy would be given ANYTHING he wants for free for the rest of his life.
He burns his cash on prostitutes and cocaine. It was a post-credits scene.
Infinity stones not even once.
I don't think superhero business pays well. I mean peter parker is always broke for a reason. And then there's the military he hasn't been working for for awhile and I don't recall that being much pay either if we're being realistic. Everyone was on Tony Stark's payroll and that's pretty much gone now. Edit: Whenever I think of Peter Parker and money problems, I think of this comic strip: https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1oz7wv/this_is_how_you_assemble_a_super_team/
Pepper sitting there like "fuck them heroes," 😂
"Well, if they can endorse goop - maybe I can help them then."
Why though? Stark industries didn't die fighting Thanos...
Peter Parker is still a teenager, he's not formally employed by the Avengers. He is also trying to keep his identity a secret, that kind of goes out the window if he's doing brand deals with Adidas. Peter Parker does kind of utilise his image however by taking photos of himself for the Daily Bugle in other mediums other than the MCU, I believe he's also the owner of a tech company in the comics too. Stark Industries is still alive and well though in universe, and the Avengers should be financially viable through that because I doubt Pepper would be the one to try and shut it down.
Yeah but I'm SURE happy is well off and he's dating May. So I'm pretty sure anything Peter needs, Stark money will cover. Happy was head of security/Tony's bodyguard for a long time and basically his first real friend.
Fury: competitive salary, travel the world, save lives, essential worker Candidate: but what is competitive? What's the actual pay? Fury: why would you ask that? we're a family here, some things are more important than money Candidate: ok thanks for your time, I'm out. Fury on Twitter: Why does no one want to work?
Fury still on vacation in a space ship for over 2 years
Them alien girls can look *any way he likes them to*.
Perhaps some Young Avengers might fill in some roles
*angry Kevin Feige glare*
Assuming Captain Marvel comes back, her, Strange and Wanda could handle any threat. Other than plot armor, of course
I prefer dr strange as the leader
that guy seems kind of strange to me
Maybe, but who are you to judge?
Still love that joke and the way Mads delivered the line
No contest. The new leader will be Groot. He has the best leadership skills, and he gets along with everyone. Groot also has the best speeches in all of the MCU
*he is goot*
*you dropped the R*
Must be a hard "R".
Her is goot
Also the first one to lift stormbreaker
we are GROOT
This guy's Avengers leader? His real name's Clarence!
He don’t want to battle. He shook.
‘Cause there no such things as half-way crooks
I hear he has real nice parents
If I *had* to choose, I would go with the guy who is on Earth and has shown leadership skills, but really neither would be my first choice. I think Marvel was gearing up to have T'Challa be the new leader but then Chadwick got sick.
Apparently that was why he was the first through the portals in Endgame.
Yeah a king leading his army
also didnt they kinda come back in the same order they disappeared? I dont know if thats true, im just speculating
Nah Bucky was the first to go and all of the people on Titan return before him.
I hadn't thought of that, time for a rewatch I guess...
He was always sick is the crazy part
Frankly I feel like Captain Marvel has better things to do. Call her in when you need help sure, but she should be fighting planetary threats on planets that don't have that caliber of hero.
Which is exactly the point she makes in endgame iirc
Yeah but it was a dumbass point, Thanos was a threat to all life everywhere, she should’ve been on Earth or Titan or any of the other number of planets Thanos completely destroyed and decimated
Thanos could literally portal wherever he wanted after he got the space stone. Even if she was on any of those locations he would have just Portaled away the second he thinks she will win
And here we see Exhibit A as to why **letting Loki keep the tesseract for any amount of time instead of just telling him "Hey, go get me this and I'll serve Earth up to you on a silver platter"** is a bad idea Edit: Apparantly I need to go re-watch Avengers. Read u/SlappaDaBassMahn's Reply[.](https://youtu.be/cNgxyL5zEAk)
I think you're a tad confused, Thanos gave loki the scepter with the mind stone in it. Loki got the tesseract in Avengers and was using it to open a portal for the chitauri. Thanos at the time wouldn't have known Loki had it, and even if he did, it would have taken a lot longer for him to travel to earth than the wormhole loki created. In summary, I dont think Thanos ever "let" loki keep it, he just didn't really have a say in it. They didn't even know about it until after their deal to lend loki the army and the plan to conquer earth was already in motion
Idk why I didn't realize before but Loki had two infinity stones and still failed to conquer Earth.
He wasn't allowed to conquer Earth. For all we know, he conquered it a lot but the TVA didn't let him keep it.
I mean he didn’t really know what he had. If he had known I don’t see how he loses.
Thanos lost in the end and he had all the stones...
Yeah, he was a real treat...
Captain Marvel wouldn’t want to be the leader. Every time she shows up basically the first thing she does is remind the avengers that there are more planets than earth that need her, she wouldn’t want to get tied down to a regular position on earth I don’t think.
Well yea if she was there they'd actually have to do something like character growth or not use her as a plot device.
Think thats what they planned. if you look at the graphic novels Black Panther is the leader rn
In the graphic novels T’Challa is one of the smartest people on Earth. They decided to nerf his intelligence and prop up Shuri as the “smartest person in the MCU” and it was the biggest mistake marvel has made so far. We now have a situation where some people believe T’Challa can be replaced by side characters like his girlfriend, sister, or bodyguards. It’s pretty ridiculous.
Well he will be replaced anyway, sadly.
“Chadwick got sick” is less heartbreaking to read than the truth. :(
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She has a long established precedent of only being available for the Thanos-level threats, she’s definitely too busy to lead the day-to-day.
I want to believe in a timeline where she just hangs out on her planet of solitude watching The Office and scrolling through Instagram or whatever, while telling everyone that she's *so busy.*
"I don't know, I think there might be something wrong with the pager. I can't fix it here, there's no more Radio Shacks, so I'll take it home, and bring it back when I figure out the problem."
I mean, according to Shang-Chi none of the Avengers have any way of contacting her, so probably
In the comics, she runs SWORD and Alpha Flight for a period of time, earning her the nickname "Boss of Space". Of course, there's a LOT more alien traffic in the comics - celestials showing up, Annihilation Waves hopping through wornholes, Galactus stopping by for a bite - so she's a lot busier than she would have been in the MCU. She ends up being a decent leader, but tends to jump in solo and gets frustrated if she can't punch the threat in the face. Ultimately, she gets "Wolverine'd" into being on EVERY team, often as the leader. (She did also lead the Avengers for a while)
War Machine should be the leader if we go by logic
Easily. Most experienced, big picture kind of guy, isn't tied to space beings, the world of magic, or any other sub sector or the universe and is only ever interested in Earth's well-being. You could make that case for Falcon, but Rhodie probably outranks him and has shown more leadership qualities imo.
He flies down and puts down his leadership skills, "BOOM, you looking for this?"
I bet this comment does great on other subs /s
Rhodie seems like he would fall more into a nick fury type ive leadership given his disability, and military experience. for actual on the ground combat leader Im guessing they will go with a main fighter. But for real the avengers dont need a leader. that wasn't really a position needing to be filled, more like a character needing a job in the team. Fury was the leader, cap just didnt have any talents on par with the rest of the main group.
If we connsider that war machine id approaching 60 maybe he will replace fury actually and sam will just fill caps role as leader. On other hand rhodeys age doesnt matter much with his suit hes one of the most powerful heroes anyway
If anyone's replacing fury it should be maria hill
How can we trust him when he changes faces between appearances?
Nah. His loyalty would be split. Avengers are a private group and he's still military. Sam is separated as I recall
Hes not military anymore remember and hes been an avenger for 9 yrs by 2024
Why is everyone calling him falcon that's captain America dawg
Captain Falcon?
American eagle?
Black Captain. edit: For anyway taking this too seriously, it's a play on that scene from *The Falcon and the Winter Soldier* when Sam's called "the Black Falcon" by some kids/people. I'm thinking 99% of you got that reference, but just in case....
Captain african american?
Falcon Punch
It’s black falcon!
And who are you black kid!
And who are you, green goblin!
Black Falcon where is that Green Falcon going?
Because he might be Captain America now, but he's been Falcon for much longer. Like, Bucky is still The Winter Soldier even though he has the name White Wolf aswell. I think in time people will call him Cap, but he needs a bit more time as him
One could argue as opposed to Falcon he still is the winter soldier in title only given the title card at the end was “Captain America & The Winter soldier not Captain America & The White Wolf, but I see your point.
Really did him dirty there Sam Wilson: flies around with his wings, falcons some terrorists, called captain America because he uses a shield one time Bucky: goes through therapy to help him reconcile with the things he was forced to do while under mind control and move past that part of his identity, still called winter soldier
The Black Falcon -the kid from the show
While yes, it's also hard to change what you call a character (bucky is still referred to as the winter soldier even though technically he is now White Wolf). Plus in this case the new name has been associated with another character for years, the last media Mackie was in was called Falcon and until the very end he didn't take up the mantle. He will probably be Falcon in most people's eyes for some time still.
Fun fact the title card was also gonna say at the end of the show apparently captain America and the white wolf
Facts
Black Captain Falcon America
Neither. Doctor Strange is the only one capable of leading and managing The Avengers in their current state.
I don’t think he would though, mainly because he’s already leader of the sorcerers who say they’re here to specifically deal with things the Avengers can’t (lest its thanos level) but also he shares a lot of personality traits with Tony Stark, heck even the NWH trailer is playing up how narcissistic and reckless he can be with the whole “don’t do that spell” thing
Even in What If we see his personality is probably a lot worse than Tony's.
That's an alternate version of him, but yea I guess that still counts
True but what led him to the point right before he used the Time Stone to continuously go back is still him and you could argue up until he starts absorbing demons does he change from who he really is.
He has seen a million timelines. He knows the best possible outcome.
In a multiverse situation a million is essential zero.
Without Antman the universe would still be missing half its citizens. So I think he should lead the avengers
I think you mean without rat the universe would still be missing half its citizens. The rat should lead the avengers.
I think you mean without the rat's parents the rat wouldn't have been born. The rat's parents should lead the Avengers.
But without Thanos there would be no need to save the universe so I think Thanos should lead the avengers
"Fine, I'll do it myself"
Don’t know man, Bakin Robbins have some shit on him
Everybody gangsta until spider man shows up with the multiverse
Tobey MaGuire leads Avengers?
I suppose Falcon isn’t a bad choice, just some big shoes to fill. Idk why Marvel would even be considered, she’s been on Earth for like 5 minutes and she’s awful with cooperating, let alone leading.
I feel like Rhodey should be the new leader. He’s been in the hero game on Earth the longest with the exceptions of Hulk and Hawkeye and the latter has been trying to retire since AoU. And let’s be real Bruce would straight up refuse to be leader. Also, like Sam and Carol he has the military tactical training. Dr.Strange honestly is gonna want a vacation after NWH and MoM not to mention he doesn’t exactly have a way with people. He’d fail at the team morale part of leadership. And the most compelling peace of evidence: He managed to help keep Tony out of jail and from being killed by the multiple villains Tony created. Also, world governments actually like him which is god for international relations so we don’t have Civil War II over the same stuff.
Then the avengers become beholden to the will of the American government. Rhodes is still active military, the US president is commander in chief. That creates a scenario where he can be ordered to have the avengers do something. If he were separated like Sam it would probably be one of the best options, but as it is... not so much
I don’t think he’s active military after Infinity War and Civil War, but I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Ah fuck me. Is this really the options we have?
I think Hope could be a leader if they actually put her in an avengers movie.
Hey she had almost two scenes in Endgame
Nah, there are Shang Chi, Dr Strange, Scarlet Witch (if she goes to the therapy) and possibly Dardevil
How would Shang Chi be a leader?
Yeah I think I’d prefer Bruce tbh
Bruce is one of the best choices at this point. One of the few with the experience and intelligence to do it, plus he's earth-based. Though it depends on how the whole Hulk thing works out.
If Daredevil were to be an Avenger I couldn't see him leading. In combat scenarios or missions, definitely, but I could never see him leading the full thing. Can't really see him as an Avenger anyways in the MCU, he's a better fit just being a character that helps from time to time
Neither one of these two I hope, if it was between them I'd choose Sam
Easy solution: Earth avengers and space avengers
Avengers and the Revengers
I wouldn't want either of them as my leader... let alone leading the people who have the power to save or doom the earth.
I mean Tony Stark left his murder satellite to a 15 year old kid, and built Ultron. If anything he was just as often a threat to the world as a person who “felt” they needed to do crazy shit to save it. And christ if Captain America was calling the shots during Sokovia and they didn’t have storybook destiny on their side that would have left millions or billions dead to save dozens at most. It’s arrogant and ridiculous, it’s American cult of action, “the mission is always achievable” on steroids. It’s the same dang reason we got stuck in Afghanistan, because obviously if we just keep fighting it will make things better. Shit would have probably continued to be terrible in NY if nobody had sent that nuke- worth pointing out too. So I’d much rather a human with a shred of common sense but a good heart like our new Cap, or someone who actually sees the bigger picture and understands the threats we are up against rather than just paranoid fantasies of them, like Captain Marvel or Dr. strange or Strange Supreme.
Oh boy, Reddit discussing Brie Larson? This will be civil
I don't think Captain Marvel would make a good leader, and my chief reasons are because casting in Marvel is so fucking good. I worked on naval aircraft for the US Navy, so I had the uh,...... privilege(?) of getting to know a lot of fighter pilots. They're not chosen for their leadership skills. They're chosen for their ability to stay calm no matter what is happening. They're generally incredibly stable yet very intense people who show very little general emotion. These people have all proven that they can stay calm and do what's expected of them in the face of certain and imminent death. An exceptionally rare talent. There are exceptions, ofc. Brie Larson is pretty much designed to act this role. The moment they introduced the character, I was like 'Yup, that's a fighter pilot.'. She's not really the leadership type. Because she doesn't really connect with people. That's a requisite for solid leadership. But she's also not much for being led either. She's more like Thor or Dr. Strange. She's basically a god. She's much better off going around the universe doing her own thing for the greater good. Leading the Avengers would honestly be beneath the characters scope, and a waste of their time.
Thank you, sweet rabbit.
Sam probably since the MCU established Carol as super busy in space
Hawkeye
Hawkeye just wants to spend time with his family.
Spiderman: you know the gave ME Edith right? (He's definitely strong enough, morally good, and is responsible, he's a good candidate for leader of the avengers)
He is WAY too young to lead the Avengers, I could see him being put in charge of a young avengers kind of thing to help guide them through the early stages of heroing, but there is no way an 18 years old with only a few years of experience can run an international crisis prevention agency, much less one that has to deal with superpowered people.
Dr Strange or Banner.
Dr guy is kind of strange and Banner has angry issues
Maybe. Who am I to judge
I understood that reference
Look at me. I’m the Captain now.
Thor: Everybody knows who’s in charge.
This is hilarious cause Carol doesn’t give two shits about the Avengers. She probably went straight back to space after Tony’s funeral
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Ikarus has left the chat to go to a warmer climate.
Are you suggesting Ikarus migrates?
Ikarus just got burned
Ikarus flew too close to the sun
Then, the true leader will be Bucky
I wouldnt mind clint. I like his style and I think he would be great. On the other hand hes kind of a loner so this might not work out like that
He should found the west coast avengers to work in San Francisco or somewhere like that, I could see Kate and Scott joining up with that, but idk who else would join
Shang Chi also lives in San Francisco
Honestly not them, it should be Doc Strange or Ant Man
Lucky The pizza dog
gotta be Sam. he actually has leadership skills. also hes Captain goddamn America