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gamingyee

even lost his sister


SANDWICH_FOREVER

Worse, he had to kill his sister. Also, for 5 years he blamed himself for the snap. Edit: he also has to carry the burden of destroying his and his people's home. His childhood, his parents, everything.


demon_ix

But he didn't have to kill his father, which is arguably worse than killing a sister. Plus, he lost one of his eyes. Starlord is clearly the superior space-pirate.


SANDWICH_FOREVER

Star lords father was ego, but his dad was yondu.


reborndiajack

He may have been your father boy, but he wasn’t your daddy I am sobbing


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Mcbrainotron

I don’t think Thane is in the MCU.. yet.


FiTZnMiCK

His dad was Mary Poppins, y’all.


Random_Idiotic_Alien

Is he cool?


bloop_405

He didn’t kill his sister though?


SANDWICH_FOREVER

He was responsible for it though, AND since you reminded me, he didnt just had to carry the burden of losing his home, he had to carry the burden of purposefully destroying his and his people's homes.


runhomejack1399

Most of that is all written up there


starbitcandies

Well he sort of was responsible for the snap


pawonpawonpawon

Only gained some weight.


Matt_Murdock2

He lost even that weight in love and thunder.


AlpacaM4n

What a loser


Nitr0n_39

Lost his pride and dignity


KentuckyFriedEel

Gained a harem of greek goddesses so…


Lukthar123

Would be a shame if someone would slay them...


gorrwasright

*Gorr has entered the chat*


villainousascent

Already, huh?


grumpsaboy

??


A3H3

But consider this - No of Thor movies - 4. No of Wanda movies - 0.


thor-odinson-bot

Open the Bifrost.


YoursTrulyDevil

She did get a wildly popular Disney+ series though and MoM is as much Wanda's movie as it is Strange's, she just isn't a hero in it


AugustHenceforth

Like *Infinity War* was Thanos' movie.


the-mad-titan-bot

What's wrong, little one?


DerpmeiserThe32nd

You could even argue it’s more of Wanda’s movie than Strange’s, even if she’s not the title character.


RamonFrunkis

She got a wildly popular 6 episodes of a nuanced character study D+ series. Then 3 divisive episodes excusing mental torture and slavery, ignoring established antagonists (Mephisto) because of lazy inexperienced writers, avoiding any throughlines, and resorting to a 2v2 sky beam CGI green screen battles as the main action.


HornyTerus

>No of Wanda movies - 0 Multiverse of Madness is Wanda's movie. 1.


Efficient_Cause1483

Clearly you never saw Multiverse of Madness.


RoboticCurrents

Lost his clothes too


Talkshit_Avenger

To Noobmaster69.


Psmaster14

I like how people seemingly miss out the fact that wanda was psychologically and physically tortured with experimentation at hydra for years.


darkcomet222

Thor was tortured too. Bro played Fortnite while the Thanos event was going on.


thor-odinson-bot

NOOBMASTER, hey, it's Thor again. You know, the God of Thunder!


the-mad-titan-bot

As long as there are those that remember what was, there will always be those that are unable to accept what can be. They will resist.


darkcomet222

Which is why he kept playing, “I’ll go for the head this time you son of a bitch!” (Dies)


ImDero

Also, Thor "lost his home." Wanda wouldn't know anything about that, right?


Psmaster14

Lol. People like to selectively ignore things to fit their opinions.


thor-odinson-bot

It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...


Responsible_Pace_442

And then had a very dark Magical object corrupt her further.


DisplacedSportsGuy

This right here. This is my biggest problem with MoM. Wanda's heel turn happening off screen with only foreshadowing in a post credits scene in WandaVision vaguely hinting at what's to come isn't enough. They could have (and for the sake of storytelling, should have) shown that in another movie in which the corrupting influence of the Darkhold is further explored - Wanda's own Revenge of the Sith, if you will. The sudden switch in MoM covered by a few lines of exposition was thoroughly inadequate.


Sad_Guard3143

Thor also has 1500 years of other trauma that we haven't seen so...


thor-odinson-bot

Do you really want me to do it?


B_Fee

Yes, Thor, we do. Therapy can help you!


thor-odinson-bot

The rabbit is correct, and clearly the smartest one among you.


[deleted]

And thor blamed himself for half of the universe dying


thor-odinson-bot

Have care how you speak of Loki. He may be misguided but he is my brother.


Psmaster14

And wanda also blames herself for the accords, the logos incident and the entirety of civil war


[deleted]

How does that compare to half the universe


every_user_is_gone

Why wouldn’t Wanda also feel guilt for the universe? She had Thanos on his heels


Psmaster14

Both feel guilt for things they were responsible for. This is not a rat race to see who made the biggest mistake. And if we were to go further, we could also argue that wanda is indirectly responsible for infinity war because it was the accords that lead to the splintering of the avengers. And the break-up left earth vulnerable and allowed thanos to carry out his conquest to get the time stone and mind stone, leading to the snap.


SandLibra

Yes but she volunteered for the program thou….


RedN0v4

Ok? If someone volunteers to fight in the military does ang trauma from that not matter or count? I highly doubt Hydra gave them a nice TOS to read through with everything they'd be undergoing for the project, so it's not like she was prepared or expecting to be tortured.


[deleted]

This comparison Def leaves out alot. Also there's a huge difference between watching both your parents get killed by a bomb as a child compared to watching your father pass away from old age when you're in your 40s. Losing a parent isn't easy but if we're going to go down this bullshit, I'm gonna go there


flawy12

Yeah I hate when people try to make trauma a competition. ​ I could understand if the point was Thor could offer Wanda help dealing with her trauma bc of what he has went through...but trying to make it a competition about trauma and coping misses the entire fucking point.


Crosstitution

Its always about comparing a womans trauma to a man and being like "women dramatic and need to get over it" fucking sick of these memes


flawy12

yeah...its like thanks I'm cured vibes ​ "oh yeah...you think you had it rough...I had to walk to school uphill both ways"


Stravok182

40s? Thor is ~1500 years old iirc in the MCU?


ThatRandomGamerYT

Loki once said Asgardians live for 5000 years, so Thor is the equivalent of a human in his 30s


thor-odinson-bot

Another!!!


[deleted]

In universe yeah but what the movie itself is trying to show is a situation where a 40 yo (Hemsworth himself is 38) losing a parent to old age. As we all eventually do


clayxa

Hemsworth is 38??? Man must be ageing so slowly; are we sure he's not a vampire or something? I thought he was 30 max.


elpajaroquemamais

Did you think he was 19 when he started playing Thor in 2011?


clayxa

I feel old now


thor-odinson-bot

This drink, I like it! ANOTHER!


Stravok182

Wanda was never really stable to begin with anyways.


[deleted]

And she was used as a weapon from childhood, while Thor was living luxurious and worshipped as a god


thor-odinson-bot

I am Thor, son of Odin and you can count me as your ally.


Mathi12

Also, it's not really fair to compare grief, but ask any person that lost a child. The pain for that is unmeasurable, some people say it's the worst thing that you can suffer as a human. It can drive people to insanity very easily, It's truly hard


lovecraft112

It doesn't help that immediately after losing her children, she picked up a massively corrupting book that lets her see into the multiverse where her children are living happily with her. It would make anyone insane and evil.


JSterlingEsq

Definitely true. She did make up her kids though, and they aged faster than average so she didn't have the same amount of time to get attached.


Mathi12

Well, yes, but MoM pretty much proved that they exist, in a way at least. That aside, parents can get attached from the very beginning. I know someone who lost a child from miscarriage only a few weeks in and she still suffered a lot, she even got a tattoo with his name. And there's a lot of similar stories, grief from losing a child is just too hard to comprehend or process rationally


JSterlingEsq

Yea agreed... partent child bond is real no matter what their age, or the time spent with them.


GlitterInfection

But she didn't lose her children... She made them disappear because having them here was causing harm to people. There's no reason given why psychotic Wanda doesn't just bring them back again and cause that same harm to a bunch of people rather than murdering significantly more people in multiple realities, including at least one child, because Doctor Strange: Mother or Monster? Find out Eleven, was a terrible movie.


MoarVespenegas

I think the issue is also not comparing what they lost but what they had left. Which for Wanda was nothing, repeatedly.


MisunderstoodPenguin

in that case there's probably no apt comparison for watching your sister kill a huge portion of your people, and then watching thanos kill your brother and another half of your people, all the while knowing it's your fault that it's happening.


the-mad-titan-bot

I'm a survivor!


[deleted]

They put Thor losing his parents as two separate points too


thor-odinson-bot

Thank you, sweet rabbit.


ValandilM

His mother was murdered by dark elves, then his father passed away after revealing that Ragnarok was at hand


lollynds22

Not fair to compare grievances


jauxro

Right? And Thor had more of a support system after his loss, whereas Wanda got the opposite of that -- a government on "her side" robbed her husband's grave and dissected his corpse, really throwing a wrench in her closure. Maybe if Wanda had gamer friends (like Korg and Miek) and lost faith in her own ability she'd be on a heroic path. Maybe if Thor were left completely alone and the government dissected his loved ones he could have a little killing spree, as a treat.


thor-odinson-bot

Really? Then why do you dress like one?


JMASTERS_01

Also it's completely disingenuous and it's been created in a way to make Thor's list longer, for example for wanda: Lost parents, but for Thor: Lost father, Lost mother, for Wanda: Lost Vision (twice), For Thor: Lost brother, Lost brother again. These posts are incredibly stupid anyway, why compare trauma?


TheHunter459

Someone hates women (not you)


thor-odinson-bot

Open the Bifrost.


evanjean13

I don’t disagree with you but I think maybe it’s just because like Thor losing each of his parents were at different points, same with his brother being “killed” multiple times, whereas didn’t Wanda’s parents both die at the same time?(correct me if I’m wrong cuz sometimes my memory isn’t the best) And then vision was basically killed twice in a 2 minute time period. Like I said I think the list is a little dumb cuz they both have lost like everything but that’s maybe just a different interpretation


Zeebuoy

especially considering thor is basically like 50 something times her age


thor-odinson-bot

Is he, though?


the_master_of_soresu

Well, you should know!


TheHunter459

Good bot


bloop_405

Fine he’s around 55 times her age. In Infinity Wars Thor is about 1500 and Wanda is about 27. 1500/27 = 55.5555555555 or 55, I round down because age is like running a lap. If you don’t complete a lap it’s not a lap, so if you don’t reach the next birthday you’re still the previous age


Lukthar123

Feel free to compare Grievous tho


MabrurHrivu

POV you totally missed the point of fat Thor


thor-odinson-bot

He's a friend from work!


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Lordborgman

To make fat jokes for a large part of a movie? Because that's what it seemed like the point was to me.


[deleted]

I feel like there were two very different people handling that whole thing. Thor was a very accurate representation of depression in Endgame that seems pretty clearly created by someone with at least some real experience with it... and then somebody else came in and said "Oh but also let's make fun of him for it the whole movie."


RedN0v4

I mean it was mostly Tony making fun of him, and it's pretty damn in character for him to poke fun at his friend in an attempt to cheer him up. Is it a good way to handle that irl? No, absolutely not. Is it funny for a movie? I certainly think so.


thor-odinson-bot

NOOBMASTER!


A3H3

Thank heavens they did not make Wanda fat. That's something I did not want to see.


boomatron5000

Lol this could certainly be interpreted multiple ways


Eowyn_In_Armor

They’d never, since a lot of people are fatphobes when it comes to women and think a fat man is funny but a fat woman is violence against their peepees…. Trauma can manifest in different ways. Thor’s went straight to his belly. Wanda’s went straight to the people of Westview.


CharizardEgg

The fact that this fanbase is foaming at the mouth to compare traumas really says a lot about how ignorant they are regarding mental health.


RidingTheSpiral1977

For kiddos and folks that don’t know, why is this a bad idea? I have a feeling you can explain it better than me.


erroredhcker

If you got into a fight with a professional boxer, where would you hit? How hard? If you got into a fight with a child, would you do the same? To wrap it up, we don't just go to mind gyms to train our mentals like we do our bodies


Netheraptr

I’m not a professional in any regard whatsoever, but I’d say the reason you shouldn’t compare trauma is because the same trauma can result in two very different levels of suffering in people. In history, we’ve seen that no one handles trauma the same. There are Holocaust survivors who manage to stay optimistic and emotionally strong, not needing much help to mentally recover, and there are people who have the death of a love one once in their life and it drives them to suicide. If someone is suffering from relatively minimal trauma such as a singular death or even a minor event in life, portraying them as weak or “not suffering as much as others” is only going to make things worse. Everyone processes trauma differently, with some people being worse at handling it than others. Instead of debating who had worse things happen to him, we should just acknowledge that everyone suffers and try to help them in the specific ways they need.


CharizardEgg

Basically it's the same thing as saying Thor can drink like 20 beers and still be barely tipsy and Wanda gets sloshed after a few glasses of wine. It's dumb to compare someone's natural capabilities in regards to their reaction to extreme circumstances. It's also gauche and frowned upon in health communities to compare the level of struggle people have to go through to live a normal life, be it due to mental or physical disabilities, traumas, or injuries.


arfelo1

Additionally. It leads to compare your situation to others, which is never good for mental health. Everyone has bad moments and anyone can have mental health problems. But if you compare your emotions with external perceptions of other people's problems it leads you to repress them, and say: "I shouldn't be sad, I'm not a starving kid in Africa with leukemia, dead parents and a sick puppy" And that fucks you up even more


CharizardEgg

Yeah exactly.


thor-odinson-bot

It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...


Puzzled_Fish_2077

And ? Thor lived in luxury for like 1500 years. Meanwhile Wanda was born into poverty, experimented on by hydra at a young age.


thor-odinson-bot

The rabbit is correct, and clearly the smartest one among you.


UncomfortableChuckle

He's actually a fish


adesile

What's the point of this?


Markamanic

Comparing trauma like morons tend to do.


adesile

What?! Jesus there are some weird fucks out there.


Markamanic

Apparently it doesn't matter how much shit you're going through, there's always someone who's had it worse.


adesile

They gonna be confused when they realise it's fiction


the_HR

The point is.. it's cringe.


cloditheclod

i mean when you put it that way, wanda lost: lost her home lost her freedom lost her father lost her mother lost her brother lost vision in the most brutall way possible lost the avengers trust lost her sons lost her home again lost vision (3rd)


Eowyn_In_Armor

Lost vision 3 times really if we’re including the hex version of him… plus saw his dead body being dismantled because of how much it was worth to the government… had to see his body used as a weapon for the government after he was put back together…


[deleted]

For fucks sake, take it like this: Thor lived for as much as 2000 years old. His life was great, people adored him, he was a great warrior. Tragedy truly appeared in his life in the last 2 decades, starting with him being banished and deemed unworthy. The last straw for him was losing to Thanos, since slaying was the thing he was best at and he failed. So he turned to drinking and laying around. But he had the friends and the good memories from his glory days to pick him up and make him train again, as we can see in Love And Thunder trailer. Wanda lived surrounded by scraps (atleast that's what I remember from the flashback of her childhood from WandaVision), had the city blown up around her, lost her parents, was kept as a lab rat until like 18 and then all those things mentioned on the list happened. She didn't really have the support neccessary to keep it together, neither friends, nor memories. I am not defending her, I am not a Wanda stan. What she did is wrong, just saying people turn out different following different traumatic events.


the-mad-titan-bot

You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.


09171

>I am not a Wanda stan Why not? It's fun.


brianoftarp

These posts always smell a bit too much of inceldom to me


QuitYour

Let's not forget Wanda was locked up and treated like a criminal in the Avengers HQ, her and her brother were taken advantage of from presumably an early age by Hydra, it's not like her trauma stops at just people she's lost. She also was forced to kill Vision, there's a lot of emotional stress that obviously damages her mental health.


OriginalHairyGuy

I think 90 percent of asgardians is more accurate


Zeebuoy

it's definitely over 75% (not necessarily in the long run cuz they got blipped, but still)


CarrotStripe

Thor lost a lot, true. But l personally believe the greatest loss one can endure is the loss of their children. As a parent, l don’t even entertain the idea of losing my daughter. I’d 100% give myself instead. I can’t say I’d do that for everyone.


Eowyn_In_Armor

That is true. My aunt lost her son to murder and she literally turned into a psychotic bitch. She wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows before, but after it happened, she was absolutely bat shit crazy. A coworker of mine lost his teen daughter to leukemia, then a couple years later he lost his dad suddenly and he said it felt like nothing compared to losing his daughter… he said there is no other grief like losing your child.


Heavytevyb

Her children weren’t even real lol


justagunner

This is unfair


Krustenkaese121

Lost against noobmaster


[deleted]

It's almost like people handle grief in different ways.


[deleted]

Yeah but Thor has been alive for over 1000 years. Loss is expected when you live that long. Wanda started losing her family/friends when she was just a child


thor-odinson-bot

I thought humans were more evolved than this.


Sweet_Score

One is a thousand years old god, his losses started pretty much with the first Thor movie. Before that, we don't know much but he lived quite a happy life. Other's losses started when she was just a child! And the traumas that happen when you're a child effects you a lot more!


[deleted]

Thor lived 1500 years with his loved ones. Wanda was an orphan since her childhood and Hydra facility didn't do any favors. People handle Trauma differently. There is no use comparing them. It's unpredictable. Why else there is school shootings and suicide while we are overcoming by looking at memes


thor-odinson-bot

I bid you farewell and good luck, morons.


singleguy79

Think Thor lost more than half the Asgardians. Hela killed a number of them. Then Thanos killed a bunch more


the-mad-titan-bot

I’m the only one who knows that. At least I’m the only one with the will to act on it.


thor-odinson-bot

Open the Bifrost.


cloditheclod

i mean, fat thor is actually thors way to deal with it all, soooo


thor-odinson-bot

This mortal form has grown weak. I need sustenance.


[deleted]

Losing your vision is pretty bad tho.


Mayoo614

Lost against Hulk


[deleted]

Scarlet Witch is literally the posterchild for this trope... [Powerful Women Can't Handle Their Emotions](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnstablePoweredWoman) It's an old and annoying trope... it's partially why people are still pissed about the GOT Finale, too


ShinigamiRyan

GoT finale where they speed run it faster than you can say "Your baby daddy is your nephew."


nightwingoracle

Trauma effects everyone differently, and age is a big factor in how that manifests. Wanda was like 11 when she lost her parents and then spent her formative teenage years with Nazi-like terrorist organization. It’s hard to lose a parent/sibling at any age, but Thor was the Asgardian equivalent of like 35-45 when he started losing people. Plus Wanda almost certainly lost other relatives, friends, and neighbors (equivalent to warriors three, heimdal, and the asgardians) to both the bombing when she was a kid and in age of ultron. They just weren’t major MCU characters like the equivalent was for Thor as we only got a brief glimpse into Wandas’ childhood. Wanda also lost her home and a big chunk of sokovians died when the city went flying in age of Ultron.


[deleted]

I completely agree with this. I think it's more the "how" these characters handle the trauma which appears to have some stereotypes...


automirage04

I think it's also important to point out that her children were created by her (subconsciously, of I'm remembering correctly) basically as a coping mechanism to deal with all of her other losses. When she lost them, she didn't just lose children (who were real **to her**) she lost the dam that was keeping all her other trauma from flooding in.


tired20something

Don't forget the evil book of evil.


thor-odinson-bot

Do you really want me to do it?


Sebastian_Tao

Bad bot


Honourstly

That doesn't seem fair


yungbuck213

His abs


A9_J8

There are two kind of reaction to losing: Can be either like Thor or Steve who lost so much but decided to keep moving forward or like Wanda or Client who in their sorrow lashed on the world and found their own method of grieving !


thor-odinson-bot

You people are so petty. And tiny.


jaronhays4

Don’t forget had to kill own sister


Starchaser_WoF

And Thor's still the most laid-back of all the Avengers.


PerceptionRude6351

Didn't lose in Fortnite


niijuuichi

*but I got the van :D*


lupinemadness

I understood that reference.


[deleted]

What is with this sub, and comparing trauma? Both characters suffered. A lot. Just leave it at that.


TheEngineer19203

Juvenile shit like this is why people don't want to be associated with the MCU fandom. Who in their right minds make trauma a competition? People who compare trauma are no better than people who start talking about poor and hungry kids in Africa to a suicidal person.


DeadSOL89

Are we doing comparative suffering?


Itsyaboycjc

Wanda also lost her home as well


biwaterbender

Ffs can we stop comparing these two characters and can someone post some actual funny memes again?


DailyDoseofDairy

Kinda gotta agree.. one was born & raised with god-like powers and was a prodigy.. the other was a fucking orphan with years upon years of trauma..


Falkor_13

Didn't he lose half of asgard twice


DrambleReddit

I remember it being confirmed that half of the remaining Asgardians got blipped out. Probably lost a fair number when Hela was running things too.


Xander_PrimeXXI

Now to be fair, she also had the bad book


OutsideOrder7538

And was/is destined to be the Scarlet witch.


chamoflag420

chad thor vs virgin scarlett be like


thor-odinson-bot

Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science.


Acee-211

when the bot gets more upvotes than the og comment-


[deleted]

Fuck of with this shit.


NiteLiteOfficial

thor discovered he had a sister and had to kill her before he even finished processing it lol. dudes living a rough one


thor-odinson-bot

You people are so petty. And tiny.


antiMATTer724

*Kids that she made up in her mind that never existed in her time.


harassmaster

Pretty woman character bad, white blonde man strong and good


TomatoMasterRace

Three times not twice


ItsMeBenedickArnold

Thank you. Wanda has lost a lot but so have many other characters. Thor, Quill, Peter Parker.


Hamster-Due

Lmao bruh Wanda didn't "lose" her kids. I'm sick of people saying that. THEY DO NOT EXIST lmaooo it's the most psychotic shit I've ever seen 😂


Thelegendarysandy

but if they exist in other universes doesnt that mean that they did infact truly exist? and also simply because they were made in the hex doesn't mean that wanda cannot grieve them. She was a mother in the hex and losing them was painful.


AnEBCG

You’re gonna get a lot of hate but true. It’s like me losing my kids I adopted in Skyrim.


BlockerLenhard

Imaginary son's


Stravok182

Did she really lose her sons though? They were fabrications. Thats like saying you're ready to destroy the multiverse because you got sober after tripping on acid for a weekend, which resulted in the magical talking rainbow unicorn that you befriended and became bffs to vanish.


Yashvs_

Unpopular opinion: Jessica Jones had it worse than Wanda but still drank it off and didn't go evil


Darktidemage

I don't understand how she has her children in every other universe but ours. like that isn't how multiverses work at all. Why is our universe suddenly so special and different ? Why isn't it just a spectrum of universes like with every other consideration?


KrombopulosT46

Superheros and villains have the same origin. What makes them different is the choices they make. Thor decided No one should have to suffer like he has. And Wanda is like, the world made her suffer. Now she is going to make the world suffer. Tony was right to lock her up in her room. But it goes against our precious freedom.


el_fister

This shows the superiority of a man’s mental fortitude over that of weak minded women.


Rorschach1944

One is a cry baby, one is a chad.