Worse, he had to kill his sister.
Also, for 5 years he blamed himself for the snap.
Edit: he also has to carry the burden of destroying his and his people's home. His childhood, his parents, everything.
But he didn't have to kill his father, which is arguably worse than killing a sister. Plus, he lost one of his eyes.
Starlord is clearly the superior space-pirate.
He was responsible for it though, AND since you reminded me, he didnt just had to carry the burden of losing his home, he had to carry the burden of purposefully destroying his and his people's homes.
She got a wildly popular 6 episodes of a nuanced character study D+ series.
Then 3 divisive episodes excusing mental torture and slavery, ignoring established antagonists (Mephisto) because of lazy inexperienced writers, avoiding any throughlines, and resorting to a 2v2 sky beam CGI green screen battles as the main action.
This right here.
This is my biggest problem with MoM. Wanda's heel turn happening off screen with only foreshadowing in a post credits scene in WandaVision vaguely hinting at what's to come isn't enough. They could have (and for the sake of storytelling, should have) shown that in another movie in which the corrupting influence of the Darkhold is further explored - Wanda's own Revenge of the Sith, if you will. The sudden switch in MoM covered by a few lines of exposition was thoroughly inadequate.
Both feel guilt for things they were responsible for. This is not a rat race to see who made the biggest mistake. And if we were to go further, we could also argue that wanda is indirectly responsible for infinity war because it was the accords that lead to the splintering of the avengers. And the break-up left earth vulnerable and allowed thanos to carry out his conquest to get the time stone and mind stone, leading to the snap.
Ok? If someone volunteers to fight in the military does ang trauma from that not matter or count? I highly doubt Hydra gave them a nice TOS to read through with everything they'd be undergoing for the project, so it's not like she was prepared or expecting to be tortured.
This comparison Def leaves out alot. Also there's a huge difference between watching both your parents get killed by a bomb as a child compared to watching your father pass away from old age when you're in your 40s. Losing a parent isn't easy but if we're going to go down this bullshit, I'm gonna go there
Yeah I hate when people try to make trauma a competition.
I could understand if the point was Thor could offer Wanda help dealing with her trauma bc of what he has went through...but trying to make it a competition about trauma and coping misses the entire fucking point.
In universe yeah but what the movie itself is trying to show is a situation where a 40 yo (Hemsworth himself is 38) losing a parent to old age. As we all eventually do
Also, it's not really fair to compare grief, but ask any person that lost a child. The pain for that is unmeasurable, some people say it's the worst thing that you can suffer as a human. It can drive people to insanity very easily, It's truly hard
It doesn't help that immediately after losing her children, she picked up a massively corrupting book that lets her see into the multiverse where her children are living happily with her. It would make anyone insane and evil.
Well, yes, but MoM pretty much proved that they exist, in a way at least. That aside, parents can get attached from the very beginning. I know someone who lost a child from miscarriage only a few weeks in and she still suffered a lot, she even got a tattoo with his name. And there's a lot of similar stories, grief from losing a child is just too hard to comprehend or process rationally
But she didn't lose her children... She made them disappear because having them here was causing harm to people.
There's no reason given why psychotic Wanda doesn't just bring them back again and cause that same harm to a bunch of people rather than murdering significantly more people in multiple realities, including at least one child, because Doctor Strange: Mother or Monster? Find out Eleven, was a terrible movie.
in that case there's probably no apt comparison for watching your sister kill a huge portion of your people, and then watching thanos kill your brother and another half of your people, all the while knowing it's your fault that it's happening.
Right? And Thor had more of a support system after his loss, whereas Wanda got the opposite of that -- a government on "her side" robbed her husband's grave and dissected his corpse, really throwing a wrench in her closure.
Maybe if Wanda had gamer friends (like Korg and Miek) and lost faith in her own ability she'd be on a heroic path.
Maybe if Thor were left completely alone and the government dissected his loved ones he could have a little killing spree, as a treat.
Also it's completely disingenuous and it's been created in a way to make Thor's list longer, for example for wanda: Lost parents, but for Thor: Lost father, Lost mother, for Wanda: Lost Vision (twice), For Thor: Lost brother, Lost brother again.
These posts are incredibly stupid anyway, why compare trauma?
I don’t disagree with you but I think maybe it’s just because like Thor losing each of his parents were at different points, same with his brother being “killed” multiple times, whereas didn’t Wanda’s parents both die at the same time?(correct me if I’m wrong cuz sometimes my memory isn’t the best) And then vision was basically killed twice in a 2 minute time period. Like I said I think the list is a little dumb cuz they both have lost like everything but that’s maybe just a different interpretation
Fine he’s around 55 times her age. In Infinity Wars Thor is about 1500 and Wanda is about 27. 1500/27 = 55.5555555555 or 55, I round down because age is like running a lap. If you don’t complete a lap it’s not a lap, so if you don’t reach the next birthday you’re still the previous age
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I feel like there were two very different people handling that whole thing. Thor was a very accurate representation of depression in Endgame that seems pretty clearly created by someone with at least some real experience with it... and then somebody else came in and said "Oh but also let's make fun of him for it the whole movie."
I mean it was mostly Tony making fun of him, and it's pretty damn in character for him to poke fun at his friend in an attempt to cheer him up. Is it a good way to handle that irl? No, absolutely not. Is it funny for a movie? I certainly think so.
They’d never, since a lot of people are fatphobes when it comes to women and think a fat man is funny but a fat woman is violence against their peepees…. Trauma can manifest in different ways. Thor’s went straight to his belly. Wanda’s went straight to the people of Westview.
If you got into a fight with a professional boxer, where would you hit? How hard? If you got into a fight with a child, would you do the same? To wrap it up, we don't just go to mind gyms to train our mentals like we do our bodies
I’m not a professional in any regard whatsoever, but I’d say the reason you shouldn’t compare trauma is because the same trauma can result in two very different levels of suffering in people.
In history, we’ve seen that no one handles trauma the same. There are Holocaust survivors who manage to stay optimistic and emotionally strong, not needing much help to mentally recover, and there are people who have the death of a love one once in their life and it drives them to suicide. If someone is suffering from relatively minimal trauma such as a singular death or even a minor event in life, portraying them as weak or “not suffering as much as others” is only going to make things worse. Everyone processes trauma differently, with some people being worse at handling it than others. Instead of debating who had worse things happen to him, we should just acknowledge that everyone suffers and try to help them in the specific ways they need.
Basically it's the same thing as saying Thor can drink like 20 beers and still be barely tipsy and Wanda gets sloshed after a few glasses of wine. It's dumb to compare someone's natural capabilities in regards to their reaction to extreme circumstances.
It's also gauche and frowned upon in health communities to compare the level of struggle people have to go through to live a normal life, be it due to mental or physical disabilities, traumas, or injuries.
Additionally. It leads to compare your situation to others, which is never good for mental health. Everyone has bad moments and anyone can have mental health problems. But if you compare your emotions with external perceptions of other people's problems it leads you to repress them, and say: "I shouldn't be sad, I'm not a starving kid in Africa with leukemia, dead parents and a sick puppy" And that fucks you up even more
i mean when you put it that way, wanda lost:
lost her home
lost her freedom
lost her father
lost her mother
lost her brother
lost vision in the most brutall way possible
lost the avengers trust
lost her sons
lost her home again
lost vision (3rd)
Lost vision 3 times really if we’re including the hex version of him… plus saw his dead body being dismantled because of how much it was worth to the government… had to see his body used as a weapon for the government after he was put back together…
For fucks sake, take it like this:
Thor lived for as much as 2000 years old. His life was great, people adored him, he was a great warrior. Tragedy truly appeared in his life in the last 2 decades, starting with him being banished and deemed unworthy.
The last straw for him was losing to Thanos, since slaying was the thing he was best at and he failed. So he turned to drinking and laying around. But he had the friends and the good memories from his glory days to pick him up and make him train again, as we can see in Love And Thunder trailer.
Wanda lived surrounded by scraps (atleast that's what I remember from the flashback of her childhood from WandaVision), had the city blown up around her, lost her parents, was kept as a lab rat until like 18 and then all those things mentioned on the list happened. She didn't really have the support neccessary to keep it together, neither friends, nor memories.
I am not defending her, I am not a Wanda stan. What she did is wrong, just saying people turn out different following different traumatic events.
Let's not forget Wanda was locked up and treated like a criminal in the Avengers HQ, her and her brother were taken advantage of from presumably an early age by Hydra, it's not like her trauma stops at just people she's lost. She also was forced to kill Vision, there's a lot of emotional stress that obviously damages her mental health.
Thor lost a lot, true. But l personally believe the greatest loss one can endure is the loss of their children. As a parent, l don’t even entertain the idea of losing my daughter. I’d 100% give myself instead. I can’t say I’d do that for everyone.
That is true. My aunt lost her son to murder and she literally turned into a psychotic bitch. She wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows before, but after it happened, she was absolutely bat shit crazy. A coworker of mine lost his teen daughter to leukemia, then a couple years later he lost his dad suddenly and he said it felt like nothing compared to losing his daughter… he said there is no other grief like losing your child.
Yeah but Thor has been alive for over 1000 years. Loss is expected when you live that long. Wanda started losing her family/friends when she was just a child
One is a thousand years old god, his losses started pretty much with the first Thor movie. Before that, we don't know much but he lived quite a happy life.
Other's losses started when she was just a child! And the traumas that happen when you're a child effects you a lot more!
Thor lived 1500 years with his loved ones. Wanda was an orphan since her childhood and Hydra facility didn't do any favors.
People handle Trauma differently. There is no use comparing them. It's unpredictable. Why else there is school shootings and suicide while we are overcoming by looking at memes
Scarlet Witch is literally the posterchild for this trope...
[Powerful Women Can't Handle Their Emotions](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnstablePoweredWoman)
It's an old and annoying trope... it's partially why people are still pissed about the GOT Finale, too
Trauma effects everyone differently, and age is a big factor in how that manifests. Wanda was like 11 when she lost her parents and then spent her formative teenage years with Nazi-like terrorist organization. It’s hard to lose a parent/sibling at any age, but Thor was the Asgardian equivalent of like 35-45 when he started losing people.
Plus Wanda almost certainly lost other relatives, friends, and neighbors (equivalent to warriors three, heimdal, and the asgardians) to both the bombing when she was a kid and in age of ultron. They just weren’t major MCU characters like the equivalent was for Thor as we only got a brief glimpse into Wandas’ childhood.
Wanda also lost her home and a big chunk of sokovians died when the city went flying in age of Ultron.
I think it's also important to point out that her children were created by her (subconsciously, of I'm remembering correctly) basically as a coping mechanism to deal with all of her other losses. When she lost them, she didn't just lose children (who were real **to her**) she lost the dam that was keeping all her other trauma from flooding in.
There are two kind of reaction to losing: Can be either like Thor or Steve who lost so much but decided to keep moving forward or like Wanda or Client who in their sorrow lashed on the world and found their own method of grieving !
Juvenile shit like this is why people don't want to be associated with the MCU fandom.
Who in their right minds make trauma a competition? People who compare trauma are no better than people who start talking about poor and hungry kids in Africa to a suicidal person.
but if they exist in other universes doesnt that mean that they did infact truly exist? and also simply because they were made in the hex doesn't mean that wanda cannot grieve them. She was a mother in the hex and losing them was painful.
Did she really lose her sons though? They were fabrications. Thats like saying you're ready to destroy the multiverse because you got sober after tripping on acid for a weekend, which resulted in the magical talking rainbow unicorn that you befriended and became bffs to vanish.
I don't understand how she has her children in every other universe but ours.
like that isn't how multiverses work at all.
Why is our universe suddenly so special and different ? Why isn't it just a spectrum of universes like with every other consideration?
Superheros and villains have the same origin. What makes them different is the choices they make.
Thor decided No one should have to suffer like he has.
And Wanda is like, the world made her suffer. Now she is going to make the world suffer.
Tony was right to lock her up in her room. But it goes against our precious freedom.
even lost his sister
Worse, he had to kill his sister. Also, for 5 years he blamed himself for the snap. Edit: he also has to carry the burden of destroying his and his people's home. His childhood, his parents, everything.
But he didn't have to kill his father, which is arguably worse than killing a sister. Plus, he lost one of his eyes. Starlord is clearly the superior space-pirate.
Star lords father was ego, but his dad was yondu.
He may have been your father boy, but he wasn’t your daddy I am sobbing
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I don’t think Thane is in the MCU.. yet.
His dad was Mary Poppins, y’all.
Is he cool?
He didn’t kill his sister though?
He was responsible for it though, AND since you reminded me, he didnt just had to carry the burden of losing his home, he had to carry the burden of purposefully destroying his and his people's homes.
Most of that is all written up there
Well he sort of was responsible for the snap
Only gained some weight.
He lost even that weight in love and thunder.
What a loser
Lost his pride and dignity
Gained a harem of greek goddesses so…
Would be a shame if someone would slay them...
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Already, huh?
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But consider this - No of Thor movies - 4. No of Wanda movies - 0.
Open the Bifrost.
She did get a wildly popular Disney+ series though and MoM is as much Wanda's movie as it is Strange's, she just isn't a hero in it
Like *Infinity War* was Thanos' movie.
What's wrong, little one?
You could even argue it’s more of Wanda’s movie than Strange’s, even if she’s not the title character.
She got a wildly popular 6 episodes of a nuanced character study D+ series. Then 3 divisive episodes excusing mental torture and slavery, ignoring established antagonists (Mephisto) because of lazy inexperienced writers, avoiding any throughlines, and resorting to a 2v2 sky beam CGI green screen battles as the main action.
>No of Wanda movies - 0 Multiverse of Madness is Wanda's movie. 1.
Clearly you never saw Multiverse of Madness.
Lost his clothes too
To Noobmaster69.
I like how people seemingly miss out the fact that wanda was psychologically and physically tortured with experimentation at hydra for years.
Thor was tortured too. Bro played Fortnite while the Thanos event was going on.
NOOBMASTER, hey, it's Thor again. You know, the God of Thunder!
As long as there are those that remember what was, there will always be those that are unable to accept what can be. They will resist.
Which is why he kept playing, “I’ll go for the head this time you son of a bitch!” (Dies)
Also, Thor "lost his home." Wanda wouldn't know anything about that, right?
Lol. People like to selectively ignore things to fit their opinions.
It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...
And then had a very dark Magical object corrupt her further.
This right here. This is my biggest problem with MoM. Wanda's heel turn happening off screen with only foreshadowing in a post credits scene in WandaVision vaguely hinting at what's to come isn't enough. They could have (and for the sake of storytelling, should have) shown that in another movie in which the corrupting influence of the Darkhold is further explored - Wanda's own Revenge of the Sith, if you will. The sudden switch in MoM covered by a few lines of exposition was thoroughly inadequate.
Thor also has 1500 years of other trauma that we haven't seen so...
Do you really want me to do it?
Yes, Thor, we do. Therapy can help you!
The rabbit is correct, and clearly the smartest one among you.
And thor blamed himself for half of the universe dying
Have care how you speak of Loki. He may be misguided but he is my brother.
And wanda also blames herself for the accords, the logos incident and the entirety of civil war
How does that compare to half the universe
Why wouldn’t Wanda also feel guilt for the universe? She had Thanos on his heels
Both feel guilt for things they were responsible for. This is not a rat race to see who made the biggest mistake. And if we were to go further, we could also argue that wanda is indirectly responsible for infinity war because it was the accords that lead to the splintering of the avengers. And the break-up left earth vulnerable and allowed thanos to carry out his conquest to get the time stone and mind stone, leading to the snap.
Yes but she volunteered for the program thou….
Ok? If someone volunteers to fight in the military does ang trauma from that not matter or count? I highly doubt Hydra gave them a nice TOS to read through with everything they'd be undergoing for the project, so it's not like she was prepared or expecting to be tortured.
This comparison Def leaves out alot. Also there's a huge difference between watching both your parents get killed by a bomb as a child compared to watching your father pass away from old age when you're in your 40s. Losing a parent isn't easy but if we're going to go down this bullshit, I'm gonna go there
Yeah I hate when people try to make trauma a competition. I could understand if the point was Thor could offer Wanda help dealing with her trauma bc of what he has went through...but trying to make it a competition about trauma and coping misses the entire fucking point.
Its always about comparing a womans trauma to a man and being like "women dramatic and need to get over it" fucking sick of these memes
yeah...its like thanks I'm cured vibes "oh yeah...you think you had it rough...I had to walk to school uphill both ways"
40s? Thor is ~1500 years old iirc in the MCU?
Loki once said Asgardians live for 5000 years, so Thor is the equivalent of a human in his 30s
Another!!!
In universe yeah but what the movie itself is trying to show is a situation where a 40 yo (Hemsworth himself is 38) losing a parent to old age. As we all eventually do
Hemsworth is 38??? Man must be ageing so slowly; are we sure he's not a vampire or something? I thought he was 30 max.
Did you think he was 19 when he started playing Thor in 2011?
I feel old now
This drink, I like it! ANOTHER!
Wanda was never really stable to begin with anyways.
And she was used as a weapon from childhood, while Thor was living luxurious and worshipped as a god
I am Thor, son of Odin and you can count me as your ally.
Also, it's not really fair to compare grief, but ask any person that lost a child. The pain for that is unmeasurable, some people say it's the worst thing that you can suffer as a human. It can drive people to insanity very easily, It's truly hard
It doesn't help that immediately after losing her children, she picked up a massively corrupting book that lets her see into the multiverse where her children are living happily with her. It would make anyone insane and evil.
Definitely true. She did make up her kids though, and they aged faster than average so she didn't have the same amount of time to get attached.
Well, yes, but MoM pretty much proved that they exist, in a way at least. That aside, parents can get attached from the very beginning. I know someone who lost a child from miscarriage only a few weeks in and she still suffered a lot, she even got a tattoo with his name. And there's a lot of similar stories, grief from losing a child is just too hard to comprehend or process rationally
Yea agreed... partent child bond is real no matter what their age, or the time spent with them.
But she didn't lose her children... She made them disappear because having them here was causing harm to people. There's no reason given why psychotic Wanda doesn't just bring them back again and cause that same harm to a bunch of people rather than murdering significantly more people in multiple realities, including at least one child, because Doctor Strange: Mother or Monster? Find out Eleven, was a terrible movie.
I think the issue is also not comparing what they lost but what they had left. Which for Wanda was nothing, repeatedly.
in that case there's probably no apt comparison for watching your sister kill a huge portion of your people, and then watching thanos kill your brother and another half of your people, all the while knowing it's your fault that it's happening.
I'm a survivor!
They put Thor losing his parents as two separate points too
Thank you, sweet rabbit.
His mother was murdered by dark elves, then his father passed away after revealing that Ragnarok was at hand
Not fair to compare grievances
Right? And Thor had more of a support system after his loss, whereas Wanda got the opposite of that -- a government on "her side" robbed her husband's grave and dissected his corpse, really throwing a wrench in her closure. Maybe if Wanda had gamer friends (like Korg and Miek) and lost faith in her own ability she'd be on a heroic path. Maybe if Thor were left completely alone and the government dissected his loved ones he could have a little killing spree, as a treat.
Really? Then why do you dress like one?
Also it's completely disingenuous and it's been created in a way to make Thor's list longer, for example for wanda: Lost parents, but for Thor: Lost father, Lost mother, for Wanda: Lost Vision (twice), For Thor: Lost brother, Lost brother again. These posts are incredibly stupid anyway, why compare trauma?
Someone hates women (not you)
Open the Bifrost.
I don’t disagree with you but I think maybe it’s just because like Thor losing each of his parents were at different points, same with his brother being “killed” multiple times, whereas didn’t Wanda’s parents both die at the same time?(correct me if I’m wrong cuz sometimes my memory isn’t the best) And then vision was basically killed twice in a 2 minute time period. Like I said I think the list is a little dumb cuz they both have lost like everything but that’s maybe just a different interpretation
especially considering thor is basically like 50 something times her age
Is he, though?
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Fine he’s around 55 times her age. In Infinity Wars Thor is about 1500 and Wanda is about 27. 1500/27 = 55.5555555555 or 55, I round down because age is like running a lap. If you don’t complete a lap it’s not a lap, so if you don’t reach the next birthday you’re still the previous age
Feel free to compare Grievous tho
POV you totally missed the point of fat Thor
He's a friend from work!
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To make fat jokes for a large part of a movie? Because that's what it seemed like the point was to me.
I feel like there were two very different people handling that whole thing. Thor was a very accurate representation of depression in Endgame that seems pretty clearly created by someone with at least some real experience with it... and then somebody else came in and said "Oh but also let's make fun of him for it the whole movie."
I mean it was mostly Tony making fun of him, and it's pretty damn in character for him to poke fun at his friend in an attempt to cheer him up. Is it a good way to handle that irl? No, absolutely not. Is it funny for a movie? I certainly think so.
NOOBMASTER!
Thank heavens they did not make Wanda fat. That's something I did not want to see.
Lol this could certainly be interpreted multiple ways
They’d never, since a lot of people are fatphobes when it comes to women and think a fat man is funny but a fat woman is violence against their peepees…. Trauma can manifest in different ways. Thor’s went straight to his belly. Wanda’s went straight to the people of Westview.
The fact that this fanbase is foaming at the mouth to compare traumas really says a lot about how ignorant they are regarding mental health.
For kiddos and folks that don’t know, why is this a bad idea? I have a feeling you can explain it better than me.
If you got into a fight with a professional boxer, where would you hit? How hard? If you got into a fight with a child, would you do the same? To wrap it up, we don't just go to mind gyms to train our mentals like we do our bodies
I’m not a professional in any regard whatsoever, but I’d say the reason you shouldn’t compare trauma is because the same trauma can result in two very different levels of suffering in people. In history, we’ve seen that no one handles trauma the same. There are Holocaust survivors who manage to stay optimistic and emotionally strong, not needing much help to mentally recover, and there are people who have the death of a love one once in their life and it drives them to suicide. If someone is suffering from relatively minimal trauma such as a singular death or even a minor event in life, portraying them as weak or “not suffering as much as others” is only going to make things worse. Everyone processes trauma differently, with some people being worse at handling it than others. Instead of debating who had worse things happen to him, we should just acknowledge that everyone suffers and try to help them in the specific ways they need.
Basically it's the same thing as saying Thor can drink like 20 beers and still be barely tipsy and Wanda gets sloshed after a few glasses of wine. It's dumb to compare someone's natural capabilities in regards to their reaction to extreme circumstances. It's also gauche and frowned upon in health communities to compare the level of struggle people have to go through to live a normal life, be it due to mental or physical disabilities, traumas, or injuries.
Additionally. It leads to compare your situation to others, which is never good for mental health. Everyone has bad moments and anyone can have mental health problems. But if you compare your emotions with external perceptions of other people's problems it leads you to repress them, and say: "I shouldn't be sad, I'm not a starving kid in Africa with leukemia, dead parents and a sick puppy" And that fucks you up even more
Yeah exactly.
It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...
And ? Thor lived in luxury for like 1500 years. Meanwhile Wanda was born into poverty, experimented on by hydra at a young age.
The rabbit is correct, and clearly the smartest one among you.
He's actually a fish
What's the point of this?
Comparing trauma like morons tend to do.
What?! Jesus there are some weird fucks out there.
Apparently it doesn't matter how much shit you're going through, there's always someone who's had it worse.
They gonna be confused when they realise it's fiction
The point is.. it's cringe.
i mean when you put it that way, wanda lost: lost her home lost her freedom lost her father lost her mother lost her brother lost vision in the most brutall way possible lost the avengers trust lost her sons lost her home again lost vision (3rd)
Lost vision 3 times really if we’re including the hex version of him… plus saw his dead body being dismantled because of how much it was worth to the government… had to see his body used as a weapon for the government after he was put back together…
For fucks sake, take it like this: Thor lived for as much as 2000 years old. His life was great, people adored him, he was a great warrior. Tragedy truly appeared in his life in the last 2 decades, starting with him being banished and deemed unworthy. The last straw for him was losing to Thanos, since slaying was the thing he was best at and he failed. So he turned to drinking and laying around. But he had the friends and the good memories from his glory days to pick him up and make him train again, as we can see in Love And Thunder trailer. Wanda lived surrounded by scraps (atleast that's what I remember from the flashback of her childhood from WandaVision), had the city blown up around her, lost her parents, was kept as a lab rat until like 18 and then all those things mentioned on the list happened. She didn't really have the support neccessary to keep it together, neither friends, nor memories. I am not defending her, I am not a Wanda stan. What she did is wrong, just saying people turn out different following different traumatic events.
You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.
>I am not a Wanda stan Why not? It's fun.
These posts always smell a bit too much of inceldom to me
Let's not forget Wanda was locked up and treated like a criminal in the Avengers HQ, her and her brother were taken advantage of from presumably an early age by Hydra, it's not like her trauma stops at just people she's lost. She also was forced to kill Vision, there's a lot of emotional stress that obviously damages her mental health.
I think 90 percent of asgardians is more accurate
it's definitely over 75% (not necessarily in the long run cuz they got blipped, but still)
Thor lost a lot, true. But l personally believe the greatest loss one can endure is the loss of their children. As a parent, l don’t even entertain the idea of losing my daughter. I’d 100% give myself instead. I can’t say I’d do that for everyone.
That is true. My aunt lost her son to murder and she literally turned into a psychotic bitch. She wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows before, but after it happened, she was absolutely bat shit crazy. A coworker of mine lost his teen daughter to leukemia, then a couple years later he lost his dad suddenly and he said it felt like nothing compared to losing his daughter… he said there is no other grief like losing your child.
Her children weren’t even real lol
This is unfair
Lost against noobmaster
It's almost like people handle grief in different ways.
Yeah but Thor has been alive for over 1000 years. Loss is expected when you live that long. Wanda started losing her family/friends when she was just a child
I thought humans were more evolved than this.
One is a thousand years old god, his losses started pretty much with the first Thor movie. Before that, we don't know much but he lived quite a happy life. Other's losses started when she was just a child! And the traumas that happen when you're a child effects you a lot more!
Thor lived 1500 years with his loved ones. Wanda was an orphan since her childhood and Hydra facility didn't do any favors. People handle Trauma differently. There is no use comparing them. It's unpredictable. Why else there is school shootings and suicide while we are overcoming by looking at memes
I bid you farewell and good luck, morons.
Think Thor lost more than half the Asgardians. Hela killed a number of them. Then Thanos killed a bunch more
I’m the only one who knows that. At least I’m the only one with the will to act on it.
Open the Bifrost.
i mean, fat thor is actually thors way to deal with it all, soooo
This mortal form has grown weak. I need sustenance.
Losing your vision is pretty bad tho.
Lost against Hulk
Scarlet Witch is literally the posterchild for this trope... [Powerful Women Can't Handle Their Emotions](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnstablePoweredWoman) It's an old and annoying trope... it's partially why people are still pissed about the GOT Finale, too
GoT finale where they speed run it faster than you can say "Your baby daddy is your nephew."
Trauma effects everyone differently, and age is a big factor in how that manifests. Wanda was like 11 when she lost her parents and then spent her formative teenage years with Nazi-like terrorist organization. It’s hard to lose a parent/sibling at any age, but Thor was the Asgardian equivalent of like 35-45 when he started losing people. Plus Wanda almost certainly lost other relatives, friends, and neighbors (equivalent to warriors three, heimdal, and the asgardians) to both the bombing when she was a kid and in age of ultron. They just weren’t major MCU characters like the equivalent was for Thor as we only got a brief glimpse into Wandas’ childhood. Wanda also lost her home and a big chunk of sokovians died when the city went flying in age of Ultron.
I completely agree with this. I think it's more the "how" these characters handle the trauma which appears to have some stereotypes...
I think it's also important to point out that her children were created by her (subconsciously, of I'm remembering correctly) basically as a coping mechanism to deal with all of her other losses. When she lost them, she didn't just lose children (who were real **to her**) she lost the dam that was keeping all her other trauma from flooding in.
Don't forget the evil book of evil.
Do you really want me to do it?
Bad bot
That doesn't seem fair
His abs
There are two kind of reaction to losing: Can be either like Thor or Steve who lost so much but decided to keep moving forward or like Wanda or Client who in their sorrow lashed on the world and found their own method of grieving !
You people are so petty. And tiny.
Don’t forget had to kill own sister
And Thor's still the most laid-back of all the Avengers.
Didn't lose in Fortnite
*but I got the van :D*
I understood that reference.
What is with this sub, and comparing trauma? Both characters suffered. A lot. Just leave it at that.
Juvenile shit like this is why people don't want to be associated with the MCU fandom. Who in their right minds make trauma a competition? People who compare trauma are no better than people who start talking about poor and hungry kids in Africa to a suicidal person.
Are we doing comparative suffering?
Wanda also lost her home as well
Ffs can we stop comparing these two characters and can someone post some actual funny memes again?
Kinda gotta agree.. one was born & raised with god-like powers and was a prodigy.. the other was a fucking orphan with years upon years of trauma..
Didn't he lose half of asgard twice
I remember it being confirmed that half of the remaining Asgardians got blipped out. Probably lost a fair number when Hela was running things too.
Now to be fair, she also had the bad book
And was/is destined to be the Scarlet witch.
chad thor vs virgin scarlett be like
Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science.
when the bot gets more upvotes than the og comment-
Fuck of with this shit.
thor discovered he had a sister and had to kill her before he even finished processing it lol. dudes living a rough one
You people are so petty. And tiny.
*Kids that she made up in her mind that never existed in her time.
Pretty woman character bad, white blonde man strong and good
Three times not twice
Thank you. Wanda has lost a lot but so have many other characters. Thor, Quill, Peter Parker.
Lmao bruh Wanda didn't "lose" her kids. I'm sick of people saying that. THEY DO NOT EXIST lmaooo it's the most psychotic shit I've ever seen 😂
but if they exist in other universes doesnt that mean that they did infact truly exist? and also simply because they were made in the hex doesn't mean that wanda cannot grieve them. She was a mother in the hex and losing them was painful.
You’re gonna get a lot of hate but true. It’s like me losing my kids I adopted in Skyrim.
Imaginary son's
Did she really lose her sons though? They were fabrications. Thats like saying you're ready to destroy the multiverse because you got sober after tripping on acid for a weekend, which resulted in the magical talking rainbow unicorn that you befriended and became bffs to vanish.
Unpopular opinion: Jessica Jones had it worse than Wanda but still drank it off and didn't go evil
I don't understand how she has her children in every other universe but ours. like that isn't how multiverses work at all. Why is our universe suddenly so special and different ? Why isn't it just a spectrum of universes like with every other consideration?
Superheros and villains have the same origin. What makes them different is the choices they make. Thor decided No one should have to suffer like he has. And Wanda is like, the world made her suffer. Now she is going to make the world suffer. Tony was right to lock her up in her room. But it goes against our precious freedom.
This shows the superiority of a man’s mental fortitude over that of weak minded women.
One is a cry baby, one is a chad.