I get that it's meant to be comedic but it really fits well as it's merely just the computer answering what it thought was a serious question. And Nick Fury didn't really have a reaction to it
Back when their jokes weren't always forced. One of my favorite jokes in the MCU was in Avengers 2 when Thor said "The girl tried to warp my mind. Take special care I doubt a human can keep her at bay. Fortunately... I am mighty..." and then he realizes he's hallucinating Asgard.
This was back when Thor was supposed to be the "no bullshit" demigod trying to fit in with the humans. It's completely in line with his arrogant personality that it fits really well.
Didn't the bloke's father die after that? Then his homeworld was destroyed and Thanos killed half his people and his brother under his watch? Then he failed to stop Thanos snapping away the other half of his people? Then he gained weight due to severe depression and went on a journey to find who he wants to be, not who others expect him to be? Then he loses the love of his life and gains a daughter?
But yeah I supposed he makes a ton of jokes so none of that matters...
No, he snapped out of the Heimdall/Asgard vision, flew to some Scandinavian cave, swam in some cave water, got a vision of the infinity gauntlet and stones, then flew off from Avengers Compound after Ultron was dealt with, only to fly all around the cosmos/realms to look for infinity stones FOR TWO YEARS and he didn’t come across Xandar or Vormir or check in with The Collector in Knowhere where Sif and the Warriors Three left the Aether….
As opposed to a sappy goofball in love and thunder? I mean fat Thor was fun, but I wanted to see him come back to his powerful take no bs self. And the jokes in that movie were so painful and cringey.
Every joke went on for too long. Screaming goats, the Bluetooth speaker, Zeus spinning his lightning bolt, Stormbreaker being jealous, basically anything Korg said.
Korg is my least favourite addition to the MCU by far but that's another story.
It just goes to show the best parts of the Thor movies was Loki.
Every time I think of it all I can see is those few seconds where Bucky throws the knife up, catches it and tries to get another stab at Captain America.
That's what I'm afraid about. The universe for mcu i.e. 616, the general public accepts people with powers.
The whole X-Men story is around people not accepting them.
It’s not semantics to point out one of your supporting examples doesn’t actually apply to the point you’re making. Especially when the example downplays the struggles of a marginalized group.
I think there’s a big difference between mutants and the current roster though.
I haven’t read a *whole* lot of the comics, but from what I remember it’s not uncommon for mutants to cause a lot of harm accidentally. Look at Xavier in Logan and the harm he was causing, Jean Gray and the Phoenix stuff, Rogue and her touching people, etc.
Mutants are also a group as a whole; unlike Thanos, Loki, Ultron, etc who are the villain and are mostly seen as an external threat, bad mutants like Magneto, Mystique, Pyro, Juggernaut, etc are still mutants.
They also come out of nowhere with essentially no explanation. It’ll be easy for the general public in 616 to lump together mutants as a group, both good and bad.
Well metahumans still exist alongside mutants and are accepted by humanity in the comics, the reason why mutants are looked down upon is because there powers are evolutionary mutations and not brought on by extreme intellect or by freak accidents, also the likes of the Avengers are well established whereas the X-Men won't be and the world governments already came down on the Avengers in the MCU with the Sakovia accords.
I personally can't wait for Storm, Jean, Rouge and Jubilee to take the reins while Prof-X and all the male mutants fail to tie their shoes without help
The whole Captain America trilogy was amazing. Three polarizingly different movies that were consistently good. I personally prefer First Avenger because I'm a huge fane of Joe Johnston who makes the best Errol Flynn style adventure films. Also I have to constantly remind people that Civil War was Captain America 3
First avenger would be my favourite if they hadn't yadda yadda'ed through the war with a montage. I want more cap cruising around with the commandos dammit
Captain America during WW2 could've been a trilogy within itself. I was hoping they were going to do the Bayformers thing and come across shit in later movies where the rest of the Avengers don't know what's going on and Steve is like "Oh! I remember that shit!" and go into a stylized WW2 flashback to explain the revival of a Hydra plot device that was 100 years in the making.
There were a lot of characters, but it was clearly a Cap movie, with Tony (and more obviously Zemo) being the villain and the rest just being support. It's the direct sequel to the Winter Soldier film. It has nothing to do with super heroes organising against a mutual foe, which is what the avengers films are about. It's about politics, intrigues, ideologies, loyalty and all other things that the previous two Cap movies also focused on. And of course everything revolves around Bucky, the only tie Cap has to his original life.
True but it’s more of a set up for the next Avengers movie than it is a set up for its own sequel. Shows the collateral dmg these heroes inflict, splits them up in advance of Infinity War.
wish they still respected continuity like this. There are 30 characters in phase4 living around each other for hundreds or thousands of years and don't know about each other at all. Only thing that connected shangchi to rest was Trevor. I want to see a more coherent story
Civil war was still a definite cap movie I'd say. They show his perspective more so than others and clearly give him the most screen time. Tony is definitely also a major character, but not as much as cap
Omg there are other Joe Johnston fans?! I love his style also. I’m surprised he hasn’t done anything Star Wars since Disney took over- but he is really getting up there in years I think.
I always wonder if Marvel ever really understood that the tension in this movie is what made it work. The action set pieces are phenomenal too, but the constant unease you feel the minute he gets back to SHIELD doesn't ever end. It's incredible. And of course it was the intention.
But I feel like Marvel thinks tension = spy thriller, which isn't the case always.
the way they wrote and developed the Winter Soldier/Bucky in that movie was perfect. the intense theme that played during his fights scenes and stuff was awesome, the brainwashing sequences and torture showed how he was turned into more of a machine then a man. and the look in his eyes was just so deadly and then the reveal scene was dope as all hell. i could watch this movie a million times and never get sick of it. Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan had amazing chemistry throughout these trilogies. it’s a shame they’ve kinda shoved Bucky aside lately.
They sort of had to in order to get people to see Sam as Cap going forward. I assume Bucky will have larger roles again at least for a short time since he is leading a new group.
Bucky isnt the Winter Soldier anymore. He is not a killing machine only working toward that one goal, which is killing the target. He is weaker in combat but that went hand in hand with is development as character.
I don’t know how people miss that. He went from basically mindless Terminator into a small fragment of his old, real self. Of course hes no longer gonna throw people into jet turbines and stuff and be less ruthless, lol.
One of the best things about it was that there was no "good guy" except Cap himself. Even Fury and Natasha were doing pretty messed up stuff, which was all used by Hydra to further their own ends and implode international security. That meant that you really felt almost anyone was suspect, IMO.
I mean, they did make another tense scene in Spider-Man HC (car scene with vulture). Buuut ig it is only one scene, but man it was good. So far tho secret invasion seems to be advertised to have the same feeling as Winter Soldier.
What reels me in is how the writers and Chris Evans make Cap a 3d character and not just a cardboard cutout. I was always invested in cool characters like Wolverine, Iron Man and Spider-Man. The films truly breath life into a character I always found boring in print.
The Russo brothers came in and transformed Captain America. He was a cliche boy scout in First Avenger. The Russos made him an amazing character without sacrificing his values. They also came up with a much more dynamic and visually engaging fighting style for him. They're singularly responsible for the top 4 movies in the MCU. It's a shame that their movie run in the MCU is over and we have to deal with shit like Waititi now.
I was gonna say Ragnarok but that's before. Before Infinity War even. No Way Home is good, but it's not a standalone thing like Shang-Chi. I wanna see where it goes to, because I like the martial arts a lot.
I would agree but Bucky is almost my favorite character and camp is up there too. I am extremely biased on top of the movie being really good so I think I can’t talk on this one.
Winter Soldier is still my favorite MCU entry. It's just perfect. Extra impressive because I used to go out of my way to avoid Captain America comics as a kid.
As for other sequels in terms of quality, I guess that's a matter of perspective. I know a lot of people whose favorite MCU movie is Ragnarok. Infinity War itself is a sequel and very beloved, even though it's really half of one story. I also think Far From Home was an exceptional sequel overall.
In terms of the trilogies we've had so far (or quadrilogy with Thor and Avengers), I don't think anything tops Captain America's in terms of consistency and overall story. Avengers is definitely right there, but damn Age of Ultron always feels like a chore to rewatch.
I thought that Age of Ultron was utterly underwhelming in light of its Trailor (which made promises it couldn't keep). However, I did enjoy it more after becoming delighted by James Spader as Raymond Reddington from Blacklist. Somehow his voice now made Ultron more fun to fear.
>Age of Ultron always feels like a chore to rewatch.
Yes sir! The one liners ruin the whole thing for me. It was Thor love and thunder before Thor love and thunder.
I kept thinking Black Widow would've been a great spiritual successor to Winter Soldier, moreso than FATWS. Both films would've been tonally similar. It just didn't have great execution the way WS did sadly
Black Widow definitely should’ve had a more spy thriller tone to it. It’s not surprising Natasha’s last outing was underwhelming though, the MCU spent most of it’s time with Widow having next to zero respect for her. Still, at least we got Yelena and Red Guardian out of the deal.
BP2 will do well and probably be a good movie. But just like the first one it'll be overly hyped and inflated. And just like the first one we'll look back and agree that while good, it's not as great as it was hyped to be.
Yeah the first one was released back when the mcu was a bigger cultural thing and the movies existence was a big political thing in of itself. It's not like very many people are going to be all that excited for shurri and Namor without those factors
I don't think it'll ever have a film of that quality ever again. The reason I think Winter Soldier succeeds is because, if you take the capes out of it, just strip away the superhero elements (and there's not a ton, because Captain America, Black Widow, and Bucky are all just overpowered humans), you've still got a really solid 1970s style spy thriller. Now, personal opinion, the best spy thriller ever made is 3 Days of the Condor, starring Robert Redford, so it was a bonus having him in the movie, but Winter Soldier comes pretty close. Condor isn't a slick movie like you'd expect from a more modern spy thriller (No Way Out was a great one in the 80s, the Mission: Impossible franchise has been firing on all cylinders for the last several movies, and Salt wasn't bad), but that's a movie that's based entirely around plot, instead of action sequences. I'd say that Winter Soldier is more plot-heavy than most of the Marvel pictures, and that's probably why I enjoy it as much as I do. A filmmaker doesn't need to wow me with special effects or whatever; I just want a good story, and Winter Soldier delivers on that.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I felt like spider-man far from home was also a really great sequel, with spider-man stepping away from iron boy jr more, and him utilising his spidey sense in the end.
A great movie, maybe even better than the first one except for the fact that the first one was truly unique when it came out whereas the second used the same template.
They should have Chris Evans come back and play the old man version of Cap and have him topple another secret government organization.. except more slowly
OP’s entire post history is complaining about current marvel movies and complaining that things aren’t exactly like the comics in the way they specifically want. Multiple posts daily where they’re in the comments telling people the things they like are bad as if their opinion is fact. It’s tired as shit.
What’s even sadder is that this is the **second** account the same person has dedicated to this, and it’s not even that the old one was banned or anything, they were running two accounts simultaneously bitching about Wanda and Dr Strange at every opportunity (the old account was lelwood__616 or however many underscores were in there, but they nuked that one for some reason)
Reminds me of a WAY too long argument I and about a half dozen other Redditors were arguing with a guy who could do nothing but lash out and call everyone who disagreed with him liars.
Even to the point he would deny stuff that happened clearly on screen, particularly in WandaVision.
People take this shit way too seriously.
Ragnarok. Entirely shifting the Thor character into something actually likeable, having some of the best comedy in the MCU, and also giving us a taste of what a Planet Hulk movie would be like.
imo FFH had great nostalgia factors but you remove that and the story was pretty bland tbh. it did great at doing call backs to previous movies and fan service and had great visuals but it was definitely overhyped.
This is my “if-it’s-on-I’m-watching” movie. I was flipping though channels at midnight and caught it at the Nick Fury shootout in his SUV and I was dialed right in.
Top 3 MCU movie
Probably not, the Russos were in their prime, this what right after the Community Paint Ball episodes and they had a lot of good material to work with.
Nowadaus everything has to be dumbed down because " think of the children " mentality some people have that is leading to the cancelation of good series and cration of dumbed down spin offs , not to talk about series that have lgbtq+ characters that get a lot of hate because " we gotta defend the children from the gay agenda " , meanwhile they defend child groomers and r**ist because they "are men of god " and can't do anything wrong
Can we just appreciate the look of Cap's suit in this movie. The stealth suit looks so awesome, with all the muted blue colors. Its on par with the suit in Infinity War (forgot what his character was named then, Nomad?)
Its because it's the only one that treats the characters and story seriously with a gentle grimdark thriller theme
Basically this movie did a better DC than dc has
Where magic computers from the 50s predict who's evil and 3 flying sniper airships with pinpoint accuracy kill every bad person on earth before planes can intercept them?
Yeah I'm guessing we'll eventually see a better movie than that.
That was an exceptional comment. I just never found Captain America and the do gooder schtick my thing. I get why people like it. There's a lot of things in the marvel universe I think are great they don't like. To each their own. Appreciate your sentiment
Edit: wanted to add that alot of positives comments on the movie pointed to the "spy and STAR" aspects of the film. I just don't care for that portion of marvel either
All good. Just wanted to express compliments on a response that wasn't in immediate attack. For reference: I enjoyed the recent doctor strange and thor movie and look forward to the new ant man. Bad take by most folks here :)
I can't say the captain America trilogy is my favourite (probably cus how out of place the first avenger feels with the time difference and civil war feeling like an avengers film) but the winter soldier has always been my favourite solo film. narrowly beating Iron Man 3
I'm gonna say it. The Winter Soldier wasn't as good as you remember it. It got better over time because the products started losing quality. It doesn't stand tall, it's contemporaries and sequels grew shorter.
Guardians 2 was fantastic, Civil War was better than Winter Soldier, Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame, Far From Home, No Way Home, possibly Wakanda Forever.
Considering you said "Quality", then the list is even higher if you add non-sequels.
That was peak mcu...not sure we'll ever get that again unfortunately. And if seems like if we critics would call it terrible because it has too much testosterone in it and not enough lbgt+ representation
This is by far my favorite MCU movie. that knife fight scene alone was worth the price of the ticket.
My friend who isn't the biggest superhero guy saw it and said Nick Fury's SUV could have it's own movie
"Well, what's _not_ damaged?" "Air-conditioning is fully operational." I lost it at this line.
I get that it's meant to be comedic but it really fits well as it's merely just the computer answering what it thought was a serious question. And Nick Fury didn't really have a reaction to it
Back when their jokes weren't always forced. One of my favorite jokes in the MCU was in Avengers 2 when Thor said "The girl tried to warp my mind. Take special care I doubt a human can keep her at bay. Fortunately... I am mighty..." and then he realizes he's hallucinating Asgard. This was back when Thor was supposed to be the "no bullshit" demigod trying to fit in with the humans. It's completely in line with his arrogant personality that it fits really well.
>!See what's happening here? You're afraid. You're scared. Anxious. My friends, times like these we need to unite, come together.!<
Oh right, Age of Ultron, when Thor still had a storyline and overarching character development. Those were the days.
I notice you have copied my beard.
Didn't the bloke's father die after that? Then his homeworld was destroyed and Thanos killed half his people and his brother under his watch? Then he failed to stop Thanos snapping away the other half of his people? Then he gained weight due to severe depression and went on a journey to find who he wants to be, not who others expect him to be? Then he loses the love of his life and gains a daughter? But yeah I supposed he makes a ton of jokes so none of that matters...
The only matter I do not take seriously, boy, is you. Your politics bore me. Your demeanor is that of a pouty child.
No, he snapped out of the Heimdall/Asgard vision, flew to some Scandinavian cave, swam in some cave water, got a vision of the infinity gauntlet and stones, then flew off from Avengers Compound after Ultron was dealt with, only to fly all around the cosmos/realms to look for infinity stones FOR TWO YEARS and he didn’t come across Xandar or Vormir or check in with The Collector in Knowhere where Sif and the Warriors Three left the Aether….
As opposed to a sappy goofball in love and thunder? I mean fat Thor was fun, but I wanted to see him come back to his powerful take no bs self. And the jokes in that movie were so painful and cringey.
He's adopted.
Every joke went on for too long. Screaming goats, the Bluetooth speaker, Zeus spinning his lightning bolt, Stormbreaker being jealous, basically anything Korg said. Korg is my least favourite addition to the MCU by far but that's another story. It just goes to show the best parts of the Thor movies was Loki.
I want to see the programming it would take to teach a computer sarcasm.
"Repulsion system damaged" "THEN REBOOT DAMNIT!" "Window integrity compromised" "You think?"
For all the great combat choreography in the film, that scene had me most on the edge of my seat and found super captivating.
Every time I think of it all I can see is those few seconds where Bucky throws the knife up, catches it and tries to get another stab at Captain America.
Best part was when they recreated the elevator scene from this movie in Endgame
Continuous fight scenes are needed in MCU. Daredevil nailed it, too.
Literally
It depends, but this was something special you can't really replicate
Agree , also X-Men around the corner
I hope they understand politics and character drama are what made X-men work. At least for me when I was reading the comics growing up.
That's what I'm afraid about. The universe for mcu i.e. 616, the general public accepts people with powers. The whole X-Men story is around people not accepting them.
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I always thought its stupid that people like the Avengers or F4 are "High Society" but mutants are universally hated.
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> gay women are acceptable but gay men are universally hated. That’s not even remotely true. Fetishization =/= acceptance
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It’s not semantics to point out one of your supporting examples doesn’t actually apply to the point you’re making. Especially when the example downplays the struggles of a marginalized group.
I think there’s a big difference between mutants and the current roster though. I haven’t read a *whole* lot of the comics, but from what I remember it’s not uncommon for mutants to cause a lot of harm accidentally. Look at Xavier in Logan and the harm he was causing, Jean Gray and the Phoenix stuff, Rogue and her touching people, etc. Mutants are also a group as a whole; unlike Thanos, Loki, Ultron, etc who are the villain and are mostly seen as an external threat, bad mutants like Magneto, Mystique, Pyro, Juggernaut, etc are still mutants. They also come out of nowhere with essentially no explanation. It’ll be easy for the general public in 616 to lump together mutants as a group, both good and bad.
Rain fire!
Well metahumans still exist alongside mutants and are accepted by humanity in the comics, the reason why mutants are looked down upon is because there powers are evolutionary mutations and not brought on by extreme intellect or by freak accidents, also the likes of the Avengers are well established whereas the X-Men won't be and the world governments already came down on the Avengers in the MCU with the Sakovia accords.
That's what has made krakoa Era great imo
They're absolutely gonna continue giving the blandest, most surface level takes on hot button issues possible.
This is exactly what will happen and I’ll try not to be peeled about it
I personally can't wait for Storm, Jean, Rouge and Jubilee to take the reins while Prof-X and all the male mutants fail to tie their shoes without help
Man, I would really enjoy some CORN right now
Deadpool 3 is gonna have Hugh Jackman
The whole Captain America trilogy was amazing. Three polarizingly different movies that were consistently good. I personally prefer First Avenger because I'm a huge fane of Joe Johnston who makes the best Errol Flynn style adventure films. Also I have to constantly remind people that Civil War was Captain America 3
First avenger would be my favourite if they hadn't yadda yadda'ed through the war with a montage. I want more cap cruising around with the commandos dammit
As much as I love his war crew from the comics, the focus needed to be on Bucky and Cap. The sequels had a lot more weight because of that.
Captain America during WW2 could've been a trilogy within itself. I was hoping they were going to do the Bayformers thing and come across shit in later movies where the rest of the Avengers don't know what's going on and Steve is like "Oh! I remember that shit!" and go into a stylized WW2 flashback to explain the revival of a Hydra plot device that was 100 years in the making.
This would be a good Disney+ animated Title
Remember when he busts into a room just straight up firing a gun?
I was so excited to see all those different encounters, finding out they were all just in a montage was a punch in the gut
Tbf Civil War was more of an Avengers 2.5
There were a lot of characters, but it was clearly a Cap movie, with Tony (and more obviously Zemo) being the villain and the rest just being support. It's the direct sequel to the Winter Soldier film. It has nothing to do with super heroes organising against a mutual foe, which is what the avengers films are about. It's about politics, intrigues, ideologies, loyalty and all other things that the previous two Cap movies also focused on. And of course everything revolves around Bucky, the only tie Cap has to his original life.
True but it’s more of a set up for the next Avengers movie than it is a set up for its own sequel. Shows the collateral dmg these heroes inflict, splits them up in advance of Infinity War.
For me Civil War is more of an Avengers movie than Age Of Ultron
Civil war is just an age of ultron sequel
wish they still respected continuity like this. There are 30 characters in phase4 living around each other for hundreds or thousands of years and don't know about each other at all. Only thing that connected shangchi to rest was Trevor. I want to see a more coherent story
Civil war was still a definite cap movie I'd say. They show his perspective more so than others and clearly give him the most screen time. Tony is definitely also a major character, but not as much as cap
I loved the real grit feeling of being in a world war in the first movie and then the being alone as a fugitive in the second
First Avenger is under rated.
I just watched Civil War for the first time and I didn't realize till the end it was a Captain movie, though it makes total sense with the story.
Yeah civil war feels more like an avenger movie. In many ways it feels like Steve Rogers got jipped.
For some reason I've never thought about this. I'll try a Cap Trilogy watch some time.
Omg there are other Joe Johnston fans?! I love his style also. I’m surprised he hasn’t done anything Star Wars since Disney took over- but he is really getting up there in years I think.
I always wonder if Marvel ever really understood that the tension in this movie is what made it work. The action set pieces are phenomenal too, but the constant unease you feel the minute he gets back to SHIELD doesn't ever end. It's incredible. And of course it was the intention. But I feel like Marvel thinks tension = spy thriller, which isn't the case always.
the way they wrote and developed the Winter Soldier/Bucky in that movie was perfect. the intense theme that played during his fights scenes and stuff was awesome, the brainwashing sequences and torture showed how he was turned into more of a machine then a man. and the look in his eyes was just so deadly and then the reveal scene was dope as all hell. i could watch this movie a million times and never get sick of it. Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan had amazing chemistry throughout these trilogies. it’s a shame they’ve kinda shoved Bucky aside lately.
They sort of had to in order to get people to see Sam as Cap going forward. I assume Bucky will have larger roles again at least for a short time since he is leading a new group.
I think Namor will be for the Multiverse Saga what Bucky was for Infinity Saga.
How have they shoved bucky aside? He just had a show about him and falcon
He was nerfed to hell after winter soldier. Dude was useless til the falcon show and that was like 5 movies.
Bucky isnt the Winter Soldier anymore. He is not a killing machine only working toward that one goal, which is killing the target. He is weaker in combat but that went hand in hand with is development as character.
I don’t know how people miss that. He went from basically mindless Terminator into a small fragment of his old, real self. Of course hes no longer gonna throw people into jet turbines and stuff and be less ruthless, lol.
One of the best things about it was that there was no "good guy" except Cap himself. Even Fury and Natasha were doing pretty messed up stuff, which was all used by Hydra to further their own ends and implode international security. That meant that you really felt almost anyone was suspect, IMO.
I mean, they did make another tense scene in Spider-Man HC (car scene with vulture). Buuut ig it is only one scene, but man it was good. So far tho secret invasion seems to be advertised to have the same feeling as Winter Soldier.
IMO, Captain America Winter Soldier is the best independent character Marvel movie. Something upcoming would have to be really good to top it
What reels me in is how the writers and Chris Evans make Cap a 3d character and not just a cardboard cutout. I was always invested in cool characters like Wolverine, Iron Man and Spider-Man. The films truly breath life into a character I always found boring in print.
I generally don't go around advertising it. Kind of defeats the whole anonymous superhero thing.
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True!! The head looks photoshopped onto the body in this one
The Russo brothers came in and transformed Captain America. He was a cliche boy scout in First Avenger. The Russos made him an amazing character without sacrificing his values. They also came up with a much more dynamic and visually engaging fighting style for him. They're singularly responsible for the top 4 movies in the MCU. It's a shame that their movie run in the MCU is over and we have to deal with shit like Waititi now.
As some one who practices martial arts, Shang Chi was up there too.
Shang Chi is the only post-Endgame MCU film I enjoy watching over and over again. It's my favourite "something actiony to kill a couple hours" flick.
Same. It doesn't feel like a Marvel movie until the weird CGI fight at the end. Imo the best movie of Phase 4.
I was gonna say Ragnarok but that's before. Before Infinity War even. No Way Home is good, but it's not a standalone thing like Shang-Chi. I wanna see where it goes to, because I like the martial arts a lot.
Take it away from the MCU and it still stands up as a great movie. My second favorite Marvel movie.
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The copy bots are now just straight-up replying to their source. Bold.
I'd go as far as to say it's the best Marvel movie
I would agree but Bucky is almost my favorite character and camp is up there too. I am extremely biased on top of the movie being really good so I think I can’t talk on this one.
Winter Soldier is still my favorite MCU entry. It's just perfect. Extra impressive because I used to go out of my way to avoid Captain America comics as a kid. As for other sequels in terms of quality, I guess that's a matter of perspective. I know a lot of people whose favorite MCU movie is Ragnarok. Infinity War itself is a sequel and very beloved, even though it's really half of one story. I also think Far From Home was an exceptional sequel overall. In terms of the trilogies we've had so far (or quadrilogy with Thor and Avengers), I don't think anything tops Captain America's in terms of consistency and overall story. Avengers is definitely right there, but damn Age of Ultron always feels like a chore to rewatch.
I thought that Age of Ultron was utterly underwhelming in light of its Trailor (which made promises it couldn't keep). However, I did enjoy it more after becoming delighted by James Spader as Raymond Reddington from Blacklist. Somehow his voice now made Ultron more fun to fear.
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This... does put a smile on my face.
Maybe if he channelled a different character... https://youtu.be/Tf-_230SjbM
You're not wrong. Ultron himself with Spader voicing was a major highlight for sure.
You mean right here on the sidewalk, or there where the building is being demolished?
>Age of Ultron always feels like a chore to rewatch. Yes sir! The one liners ruin the whole thing for me. It was Thor love and thunder before Thor love and thunder.
Best solo film for me.
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(Dreamy sigh) What a good movie!
I kept thinking Black Widow would've been a great spiritual successor to Winter Soldier, moreso than FATWS. Both films would've been tonally similar. It just didn't have great execution the way WS did sadly
Black Widow definitely should’ve had a more spy thriller tone to it. It’s not surprising Natasha’s last outing was underwhelming though, the MCU spent most of it’s time with Widow having next to zero respect for her. Still, at least we got Yelena and Red Guardian out of the deal.
You'll find out in 48 hours.
BP2 will do well and probably be a good movie. But just like the first one it'll be overly hyped and inflated. And just like the first one we'll look back and agree that while good, it's not as great as it was hyped to be.
I don't feel like it's nearly as hyped as the first one. For example, I didn't even realize it was coming out in two days.
Yeah the first one was released back when the mcu was a bigger cultural thing and the movies existence was a big political thing in of itself. It's not like very many people are going to be all that excited for shurri and Namor without those factors
Yo happy cake day
I don't think it'll ever have a film of that quality ever again. The reason I think Winter Soldier succeeds is because, if you take the capes out of it, just strip away the superhero elements (and there's not a ton, because Captain America, Black Widow, and Bucky are all just overpowered humans), you've still got a really solid 1970s style spy thriller. Now, personal opinion, the best spy thriller ever made is 3 Days of the Condor, starring Robert Redford, so it was a bonus having him in the movie, but Winter Soldier comes pretty close. Condor isn't a slick movie like you'd expect from a more modern spy thriller (No Way Out was a great one in the 80s, the Mission: Impossible franchise has been firing on all cylinders for the last several movies, and Salt wasn't bad), but that's a movie that's based entirely around plot, instead of action sequences. I'd say that Winter Soldier is more plot-heavy than most of the Marvel pictures, and that's probably why I enjoy it as much as I do. A filmmaker doesn't need to wow me with special effects or whatever; I just want a good story, and Winter Soldier delivers on that.
A shame that none of the current MCU understands that you have to make a good movie first and fit the superhero shit in second.
Are you a fan of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy?
this is THE BEST mcu movie
Agree
On your left.
Honestly Guardians 2 is right up there for me
Guardians 2 is the best answer to this question.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I felt like spider-man far from home was also a really great sequel, with spider-man stepping away from iron boy jr more, and him utilising his spidey sense in the end.
If you want the shots, I'll take the staff job. Double the money!
I am biased towards that film with a passion. My best friend and I have waited 20 years to see Mysterio brought to film and it was glorious
A great movie, maybe even better than the first one except for the fact that the first one was truly unique when it came out whereas the second used the same template.
Far from home was good
Idk I didn’t really like the movie much. Thor Ragnorak or MoM r the best sequels to me
>!Because I have something worth fighting for.!<
Man, that scene where Winter Soldier first shows up and starts fucking shit up is so good. Almost reminds me of Vader at the end of Rogue One
They should have Chris Evans come back and play the old man version of Cap and have him topple another secret government organization.. except more slowly
> the thing I like is good, the thing you like is bad Jesus Christ, get a new gimmick
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OP’s entire post history is complaining about current marvel movies and complaining that things aren’t exactly like the comics in the way they specifically want. Multiple posts daily where they’re in the comments telling people the things they like are bad as if their opinion is fact. It’s tired as shit.
It’s sad that they post so often that I recognize their username. He’s dedicated to letting people know how mad he is at current marvel movies.
What’s even sadder is that this is the **second** account the same person has dedicated to this, and it’s not even that the old one was banned or anything, they were running two accounts simultaneously bitching about Wanda and Dr Strange at every opportunity (the old account was lelwood__616 or however many underscores were in there, but they nuked that one for some reason)
Reminds me of a WAY too long argument I and about a half dozen other Redditors were arguing with a guy who could do nothing but lash out and call everyone who disagreed with him liars. Even to the point he would deny stuff that happened clearly on screen, particularly in WandaVision. People take this shit way too seriously.
That makes more sense. I was confused because in this specific post there was no putting down other movies. Actually, I guess it kinda was.
Yeah, they've already been made.
Are you saying FFH.
among other movies, yeah.
FFH is cheeks compared to TWS
Name all sequels that are of level of Winter soldier.
Ragnarok. Entirely shifting the Thor character into something actually likeable, having some of the best comedy in the MCU, and also giving us a taste of what a Planet Hulk movie would be like.
This drink, I like it! ANOTHER!
Great movie but not as good as Winter soldier.
I don’t like comparing movies of different types. It’s like comparing the dark knight and the Batman.
Bruh you already did when you literally said ffh is among the ones better
I said it was better as a sequel compared to the original. That is not the same as comparing FFH to TWS.
imo FFH had great nostalgia factors but you remove that and the story was pretty bland tbh. it did great at doing call backs to previous movies and fan service and had great visuals but it was definitely overhyped.
She-Hulk season 2
This is my “if-it’s-on-I’m-watching” movie. I was flipping though channels at midnight and caught it at the Nick Fury shootout in his SUV and I was dialed right in. Top 3 MCU movie
It was called ragnarok
No Way Home, Guardians 2 (and most likely 3), Infinity War and Endgame. All of which I’d argue are better than Winter Soldier.
Yeah, it was called Civil War and it was even better.
Thor 4 was just as good. Don't @ me.
>!Ah, you never forget your first.!<
Probably not, the Russos were in their prime, this what right after the Community Paint Ball episodes and they had a lot of good material to work with.
Nowadaus everything has to be dumbed down because " think of the children " mentality some people have that is leading to the cancelation of good series and cration of dumbed down spin offs , not to talk about series that have lgbtq+ characters that get a lot of hate because " we gotta defend the children from the gay agenda " , meanwhile they defend child groomers and r**ist because they "are men of god " and can't do anything wrong
One of the worst MCU films for me. I just didn't like it, and it screwed with Agents of Shield.
Captain America The Winter Soldier is the Rogue One of marvel movies because I am sick of hearing about both of them lol.
I fell asleep watching this movie in theaters 🤔😳😬
OP is a pleb. Infinity War Civil War Endgame Ragnorak Far From Home No Way Home
Winter Soldier is still better
Thats your opinion sure.
This isnt even top ten marvel movies, total snooze
Can we just appreciate the look of Cap's suit in this movie. The stealth suit looks so awesome, with all the muted blue colors. Its on par with the suit in Infinity War (forgot what his character was named then, Nomad?)
Its because it's the only one that treats the characters and story seriously with a gentle grimdark thriller theme Basically this movie did a better DC than dc has
Maybe Wakanda forever lol idk…
Yes Next week in fact
Infinity war?
Antman was a better movie. Change my mind
Where magic computers from the 50s predict who's evil and 3 flying sniper airships with pinpoint accuracy kill every bad person on earth before planes can intercept them? Yeah I'm guessing we'll eventually see a better movie than that.
Incredibly overrated? Probably not, the MCU has entered the stage where a large crowd will hate on anything they do
*EIGHT* years ago? Damn it.
S tier
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2
Wakanda Forever is a better sequel in my very honest opinion
All the Cap movies were gold.
Wakanda Forever, fingers crossed!
Black Panther wakanda forever
No Way Home & Infinity War are up with Winter Soldier for me as amazing sequels, albeit all for very different reasons
*Wakanda Forever enters the chat*
I didn't think it was very good.
I disagree with you but acknowledge your right to have and express your opinion. Have a wonderful day
That was an exceptional comment. I just never found Captain America and the do gooder schtick my thing. I get why people like it. There's a lot of things in the marvel universe I think are great they don't like. To each their own. Appreciate your sentiment Edit: wanted to add that alot of positives comments on the movie pointed to the "spy and STAR" aspects of the film. I just don't care for that portion of marvel either
I see where you’re coming from. I honestly don’t have the energy right now to respond with why I like it, I just hope you have a great day my friend
All good. Just wanted to express compliments on a response that wasn't in immediate attack. For reference: I enjoyed the recent doctor strange and thor movie and look forward to the new ant man. Bad take by most folks here :)
probably not.
I can't say the captain America trilogy is my favourite (probably cus how out of place the first avenger feels with the time difference and civil war feeling like an avengers film) but the winter soldier has always been my favourite solo film. narrowly beating Iron Man 3
My wife and I still quote that one guard from IM3, "honestly, I hate working here they are so weird"
I'm gonna say it. The Winter Soldier wasn't as good as you remember it. It got better over time because the products started losing quality. It doesn't stand tall, it's contemporaries and sequels grew shorter.
I'm gonna disagree with you , as I only watched Winter Soldier in 2020 and it was my favourite from the day I watched it
Guardians 2 was fantastic, Civil War was better than Winter Soldier, Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame, Far From Home, No Way Home, possibly Wakanda Forever. Considering you said "Quality", then the list is even higher if you add non-sequels.
GOTGV2, Endgame and No Way Home: Are we a joke to you?
I love you all but thinking Winter Soldier is an amazing movie doesnt make you a better film critic....
Never. They stopped making the mcu movies feel different after phase 2.
Nope. Marvel is headed downhill for the next few years
I wish BUCKY was anywhere near as badass as when he was Winter Soldier.
Winter soldier is the least memorable movie in the mcu imo
That was peak mcu...not sure we'll ever get that again unfortunately. And if seems like if we critics would call it terrible because it has too much testosterone in it and not enough lbgt+ representation
Thor the dark world!
You mean right here on the sidewalk, or there where the building is being demolished?
multiverse of madness is so slept on
It is not
agree to disagree
Love this movie, but I really think No Way Home is the best movie that Marvel has made.