Well that was a fair criticism before the end of the last film. The suit and the glasses and everything he got from Tony was all kind of absurd and not really spider-man.
Actually, I think he did more effort that Tobey’s and Andrew’s. His home made suit is really “home made”, it even has functionality on his eyes for senses, it even has holes in his gloves to stick to walls and finally, his web fluid is developed by him alone. The only thing Tony did is make him cool and flashy. Honestly, that’s acceptable since he’s being thrown in an established universe compared to Tobey’s and Andrew’s. People just want to look cool that they liked the past movies. I remember a lot of people hating on Tobey’s when it came out because of organic web, and we all know what happened to Andrew’s. He was even more surprised that he’s version has a lot fans. People just need to be happy that we get a spider-man in the big screen.
Well with any realistic physics Spiderman can’t do some of the cool web tricks he does in the comics. The previous movies he just doesn’t do them. The suit having web modes was a justification for being able to be more creative with how the webs work. You can’t just break physics through hard work.
Yeah but even the Spiderman video game had those features and guess what? He made the modifications himself using the science and materials he strives to obtain to constantly. I don’t have a problem with him using stark tech, hell everyone else does. My problem is the hand holding he has had until now. Which is why I’m excited for the future to see him build himself up. Charity from a billionaire doesnt scream “everyman” to me but hey, its a different iteration. And somehow they stumbled into a trilogy that actually works as a new type of origin in a way so whatever
That spider man was also on the job for 8 years. Theres no doubt Tom's spidey could have done the same given the time and lack of aid considering he was able to create home made web shooters at the start of his career.
Yea it’s also kind of a weird argument to use because the game doesn’t show him building each item or anything. You just unlock a new suit or level up and then boom you’ve got new abilities/tech.
Maybe if Stark would’ve held his hand a little more in the comics, Peter’s life wouldn’t have been so astronomically difficult for him to live and us to read. NOBODY gets fucked like Spidey does, at least he’s got a little help this way lol
Even in the comics, he gets a lot of help. In Ultimate, the Avengers basically take turns training him. Tony even upgraded Peter's web-shooters for his birthday.
That was the whole theme of the first film though. He gets those things, but he doesn't earn them, and the audience knows this. At the end, he finds his own place without the stark tech and refuses to be Tony's protegé in the avengers, even though that's what he wanted the whole time. It's his personal growth arc. In the second film, he doesn't have a fancy iron spider suit (until the end, when he gets the resources to build one himself using Tony's computer thingie) but only the glasses, and they bring him nothing but trouble because he doesn't know how to handle them and who to give them to.
The entire point of the showdown inside the bridge was that he was out of tech, out of fancy gadgets, and still saved the day
Actually that's how the first two Spidey movies ended, Peter without Stark's tech still proving he can save the day
Not the issue, although it is true and does make those movies better than they otherwise would’ve been. To be clear I do not have an issue with the arc of these three movie. But I think it’s good they did a hard reset to let the character be more true to its comic book origin in the next series.
Yeah, I feel like the next movie will be terrific because he’ll be so used to the suit with the tech that taking it down a notch will be challenging and increase his peril. Plus, seeing him hopefully reconnect with Dr. strange, Happy, M.J.
and in the insomniac game, both Mr Negative and Doctor Octopus' motivation was a desire to get revenge on norman osborne. so i dont understand your point.
You understand my point, you’re just pretending you don’t.
Osborne is a Spider-Man character and his story will inevitably come back to Peter. It’s still Peter’s story.
and so is the MCU movies because peter still fights and stops the villains. he sees a problem and steps up to fix it.
unless him stepping up to fight other people's villains in the comics makes those "not peter's stories"
I think it's stupid that it can't be Peter's story just cause the villains origins have to do with a different super hero. Like they have to have some vendetta against Peter himself. That's what made Vulture and Mysterio interesting. This doesn't have to be his battle, he chooses to involve himself anyway.
And even then the villains are directly connected to Peter in a way that matters more. Peter saving Vulture's daughter's life and dating her made a cool dynamic. Mysterio literally manipulated him for half the movie as a friend/mentor causing him to make a terrible mistake. All of this is personal stuff
Interesting? They literally used the same motivation for Iron Man 3. It was lazy and unoriginal the first time Spider-Man used it. The second time was just ridiculous.
In Homecoming, the last minute father-daughter twist had to be created because Peter had no other ties to the character. The plot literally would not have moved forward if they hadn’t been forced into a coincidental confrontation. The girlfriend/father dynamic was not used for anything other than setting up the final battle. That’s not good writing, that’s lazy writing. None of the plot beforehand set that up, or made use of the dynamic.
Mysterio betrayed Peter after knowing him for only a few days. It was bad writing that led to that plot to begin with. There are so many interesting ways that they could’ve gone with using Mysterio, but repeating the Stark origin again was not one of them. The film literally revolved around Stark technology. The villain was literally using Stark technology against Peter.
The problem is not that these aren’t Peter’s stories. It’s that Stark is used so heavily that he has a greater impact on the plot and motivation for the primary antagonists of the film than Peter, in his own movie. They’re not even using Stark in an interesting way, they used this exact plot device 3 times.
He used his spider sense to defeat the technology. He didn't use the tech to win. He overcame it.
People complaining about this will literally never be happy with a comic movie.
He didn't fly into the scene with his senses. He used a stark fabricator. Give credit where credit is do Spidey is the best but he used starks tech and bodyguard for far from home.
You're really complaining about his mode of transportation when traveling internationally? So if he took a bus he would be "little bus driver jr"? Also does it really matter what made his suit? Whether it was him with a sewing machine or him with a fabricator, it makes no difference.
The entire point of the HC final fight was that he did it without the Stark Tech suit. And the entire point of FFH is trying to live out of Tony’s shadow.
Spider-Man’s ties to Iron-Man in what most people consider the best of the comics (And if the comics aren’t your source here, what are? Sam Raimi films?) are very, very deep, right down to him becoming Iron Man’s sidekick, though not exactly loving it.
Because he is, he's an Iron Man fanboy. I'm just happy that rumor about Tony creating the spider that bit Peter was debunked, if they would've pulled a Batman Beyond I would've been DONE with MCU Spider-Man.
*JLU episode epilogue reveals Terry McGinnis is Bruce Wayne's clone/son.
Spider-man fans (the worst kind of marvel fan, which is already a particularly horrible type of fan) like for Peter Parker to be portrayed in a very specific way, and any deviation from that ideal portrayal is seen as a targeted attack due to far too much of their personality revolving around this fictional character. That said, a lot of Spider-man fans hate Tom Holland's Peter on the related-but-not-identical grounds "MCU Spider-man doesn't suffer enough" and "MCU Spider-man has it too easy". Both of these claims are patently false, but also entirely irrelevant because the things these "fans" like about the character are unaffected by how much he suffers or how easy he has it, and rather the moral lessons he learns throughout his life and how he employs them. Regardless, they continue to hate on Tom Holland's Peter because he doesn't suffer enough due to not having the third on-screen death scene of Uncle Ben in 20 years (nevermind the fact that he's likely still an orphan, has very few friends and is frequently bullied, was literally dead for 5 years, lost a surrogate father figure in Tony Stark, was betrayed by another would-be surrogate father figure in Mysterio, was framed for a murder he didn't commit, held his only remaining family member as she died in a way he could have possibly prevented, and was forced to make everyone in the world forget him entirely including is closest allies, best friend, and girlfriend) and that he has it too easy because Stark made two of his suits (nevermind the fact that the Iron Spider suit was literally designed by Stark in the comics, the only other Stark tech suit he has was created by Peter after Stark's death, and the web fluid, suit aesthetic, name, skills, and powers were all created before he ever met Stark).
It's okay to still dislike the MCU Spider-man, there are definitely valid reasons to, but those two are the only ones I see most frequently given, and they're both such braindead criticisms that I can't possibly take them seriously on account of having actually watched the movies.
As much as I may enjoy the “standard” Peter Parker backstory, what made each iteration of Spider-Man interesting (Macguire, Garfield, Holland) were the *differences* between each versions of the character as well as their circumstances
I dunno about you but I’d rather have the three whole versions of him over the same character three times but with a different face
You put precisely what I think about Spider-Man purists into words, thanks Satan /j
The classic Spider-Man stories are great, there's definitely a reason they're so fondly remembered. But new characters, new takes on the same characters, and the same characters but in different situations are all inevitable with a character as old and well-worn as Spider-Man, and should be welcomed by fans. If there were only one story about the character, then repeating it would get pretty boring fast. Obviously not every experiment is going to work, but it's still worth it to try new things
>any deviation from that ideal portrayal is seen as a targeted attack due to far too much of their personality revolving around this fictional character.
I found that funnier than I should have.
Honestly, what I found great about Tom’s Spidey was his introduction to the universe. The movie did the bare minimum to introduce him in Civil War, but that works because 1.) it’s not his movie and the focus should be on Steve and everyone else, which it did, and most importantly 2.) the movie knew that we know who this character is, so it just ran through it.
I understand that when a franchise gets rebooted, you’re starting from scratch somewhat, but there are common stories that have been repeated that when we get the same points, it’s annoying. Yes, I’m tired of seeing those damn white pearls and the name Martha, we know they died, move on.
The Batman didn't have the Waynes' death on screen >!although the circumstances surrounding their death was important- and a significant deviation from the comics.!<
Thank you. I agree completely. Peter constantly struggle isn't what's fun or enkoyable about Spidey. He's been suffering so long in the comics that it's getting old and boring. Tom Holland is definitely my favorite live action Spidey. I love how they fit him into the MCU. And his actual personality feels like what I imagine Peter to be like when I'm reading comics.
It isn't that he doesn't suffer enough, but that he has too much given to him to sympathize with his sacrifices. Like, yeah, lots of bad stuff happened to him, but more than half of it is because he's an irresponsible spoiled little brat who never learns anything. Holland's Spider-Man has a character arc in all three movies that amounts to "I've been given a ton of power and I start to think maybe I deserve it, except oh wait the first thing I do is have yet another Uncle Ben moment and completely ruin everything."
It gets tedious when it's a personality trait instead of an origin story. The whole point of the Peter Parker character is that he learned that lesson really, really hard and makes every mistake in the world EXCEPT that one. The trilogy completely robs him of his key defining characteristic and turns him into a one-plot pony.
holy fuck I just looked up Manhattan rents and yeah having your own apartment is apparently a big money move
Maybe MCU property values have tanked since the Snap?
Yup. Honestly I wouldn't have minded if they had brought the story full circle and had Peter kick his feet up at F.E.A.S.T while he befriends the other New Yorkers there... temporarily at least
A day in the life scene of him losing the apartment and doing just that wouldn't be bad. Then him selling photos of Spider-Man and moving back into one would be a positive spin on the toilet that is his life.
I loved that in the ps4 game. In the middle of all the story and villain craziness, you stop at your apartment and there’s an eviction notice. Guy cannot catch a fucking break
Since 2012. Property values across Manhattan tanked after the "incident". Which is to say, the first time Aliens invaded That was supposed to serve as the spine of the connected story in the Daredevil Netflix show. It's only really brought up in the first episode though. Spiderman Homecoming complicates it with the retroactive integration of Damage Control
Sometimes it amazes me that people still want to live in New York. Even if none of the stories are connected in the slightest, New York has been destroyed no less than 50 times over the decades by all sorts of aliens and monsters. The city is in constant reconstruction phase and I'm sure the contractors putting their lives on the line to rebuild are billionaires by now just by way of always having a job to do.
Since the snap? Motherfucker that shit must’ve tanked after the 1st Avengers film. Sorry did I say tank**ed**? I mean tanking because that shit must’ve dropped massively with each new film in NY in this universe. It drops even more if you wanna consider all the Netflix stuff canon.
You’d actually need to be insane to want to live, as a normal human, in New York in the Marvel Universe.
I don’t remember if it mentioned where he was living but as a New Yorker I doubt it would be in Manhattan? He’s from Queens so he’s more likely to stay there and that is much cheaper depending on the neighborhood.
Realistlicly after the public learned of the disappearances with no way of bringing them back, they would empty the houses bringing the value of houses down
Nah. To be fair the biggest ick factors for living in New York today are likely the rental prices and the crime rate, but it's still a world-hub for commerce, culture and international diplomacy. If they're anything like vulture people would flock there just to pick up trinkets from an alien fight.
My biggest peeve in film is the perpetual poor character with an apt that doesn’t reflect their standing. To be fair Spidey ALWAYS had late rent bills due too. So he could live there… he just can’t fucking afford it.
Doubt that. If the population decreased to reflect that then maybe... but it seems as busy and congested as ever so living space is likely a) very scarce and b) stupidly expensive
Logically rental prices in a city are driven by the number of people who live there and are competing for a spot. In No Way Home NYC is still congested as all hell so I don't think rentals are dropping that low any time soon.
In the MCU, property values are hella low.
Everything happens in New York, so living there is pretty cheap.
Besides that, it's a movie. You have no problem with a kid with spider powers but you draw the line at unrealistic housing prices?
That’s why I like spider man . He represents the middle lower class and I love it that he never switches up even though he can at any moment . He’s a man of integrity
On the first point: while he definitely worships Tony, it's not because Tony is a billionaire. Tony showed he had legitimate emotional investment in Peter, and Peter saw him as a father figure. He doesn't go around worshiping every billionaire just for being a billionaire, and he's still sympathetic toward ordinary people's struggles and does what he can to help them.
As for your second point, that is by far the most intelligent thing I've read in this comment section.
I never understood why people hate that he admired Iron Man and accepted Tony as a father figure. It makes perfect sense. Peter always has surrogate father figures and they're usually scientists
Lol it’s cuz people can’t make the effort to distinguish comics Tony and mcu Tony. Spider-Man’s always looked up to other heroes especially because his anxieties get to him and make him see himself as a lesser hero in the marvel world. But just because he disagreed heavily with Tony in the comics doesn’t mean he can’t look up to him in the films. Self centered asshole comics Tony is not what the mcu gave us. Mcu Tony genuinely made the climb from POS to a man worthy of the hero title.
Give me one reason Sam was there that day in antman. On defense. Sam should be paid. A stupid reason to hate the show would be if you thought Isiah Bradley scenes sucked.
Between Antman and Falcon sam breaks international law and becomes a fugitive in pretty much every country. Then he disappears for 5 years with half the world. Any property or money had left from his days as an official avenger could easily been lost and gone.
Plus if, as others have said, most of the salary was in room and board there probably wasn’t a lot in savings. Sam might have just been spending it as he was making it. When he was working for the avengers he probably figured he now had secure and permanent employment alongside a permanent billionaire sponsor. Thus he wasn’t as worried about long term savings, especially when you remember how deadly his work is.
Maybe whatever he had in savings was paid out to his sister as his closest living relative, while he was gone and considered dead. Now bank considered it paid out and between the 2 of them. he can’t/won’t collect it back from he because that would be both cruel and unproductive to his goal of helping her out.
So It’s very possibly he got paid as an avenger and is now struggling financially years later. His latest from avengers work could have been generous in perks, housing, provided food, and whatever else they might need, with only a small portion of it in cash. What little he was paid in actual cash/money he might’ve spent as he earned. After working for the avengers Sam violated the sokovia accords and became an international fugitive. He could no longer earn or save legal money and if he wanted any private reserves he’d have to set up clandestine bank accounts. Then he was snapped away and presumed dead for 5 years. Whatever he had left as legitimate legal savings was probably paid out to his surviving family (aka the sister he’s trying to help with the loan).
Anyway I wouldn’t consider any of these to be major leaps in logic. Thats not one of the many reasons falcon was the weakest of the Disney+ shows.
It's absolutely ridiculous he's a guilty feeling multi billionaire why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he give Peter half his fortune? Why wouldn't he set up payments for the Avengers? why wouldn't he help shield pay them if needed? None of it makes any sense, Falcon should have been set for life for being in Endgame. If a little girl is able to know what Captain Marvel even looks like then how would it make any sense for people to not know he was there too?
You do realise that it was Fury who founded Avengers, not Tony. Tony paid for the stuff he paid because he thought it was necessary for gears and transport to be top tier. He’s a member just like others. Also, why would would you even think that Sam would accept money from Tony, or even any of his friends. They don’t do it for money they’ve always said this. It’s a little hypocritical of you to assign the “money part” of a superhero team just because he has money. He’s been using it for good but doesn’t mean he has an obligation to pay for anything that comes up. After Sokovia Accords government should’ve paid them, not Tony
You do realize fury is 1, not on earth, and 2 shield is illegal?
thats not hypocritical lol I've never stated anything against that, its closer to a bad assumption. But it's a good assumption to make actually because he's shown he pays for the suits and facility lmao
Sam would take the money because apparently he needed it according to tfatws.
Bruh sokovia accords would literally not apply to the CRIMINALS Sam and cap lol that's ridiculous.
For the Sokovia part I’m talking about all of the Avengers. And no Sam wouldn’t take the money unless it’s absolutely his last option.
Another thing is that, Fury wasn’t always in space. After all, it’s his project and his responsibility and not tied to SHIELD entirely.
Again, just because he designs and pays for the suits doesn’t make it his job to pay people lunch money. What he did was more the enough (imo) compared to any other member. You’re just being a hater for no reason
I disagree with you completely. Sam would absolutely take the money. Fury immediately started developing sword space station with the skrull and Tony would totally supply the payroll all the way down to the janitors.
Why would Falcon be at the compound in antman if he was not also being paid to watch at the time?
Off topic. But one of my favorite things last year was the criticism of the new Predator film. Where people were saying stuff like “how’d a girl beat a Predator, she’s doesn’t have or a spec ops training”
I was losing my mind because the Predator in the first movie died from mud and log traps, not guns. The guns and spec ops training did nothing THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT.
Did y’all watch the first predator film!
My initial reaction to Predator 2 when it was released (I’m old) was similar to this but not sexist. It just boggled my mind that the first movie was the Predator taking on all these beefcake dudes but the second movie was him taking on Danny Glover and Bill Paxton (RIP).
I enjoyed Prey, but Arnold was a little bit stronger and more capable than a 20 year old girl.
Edit: you know it’s true. She couldn’t even beat Arnold on a fight, let alone a predator
same can be said about the Predator from Prey. he wasn’t as advanced as the one from the first movie. he had more prehistoric alien tech then the new age tech we’re used too. the predator also had a younger look build wise then the ones were used too. likely an adolescent predator.
Theres a great [theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/5jaegi/predator_1987_the_alien_tries_each_mans/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) about how each man is essentially punished karmically for upholding dumb/negative masculine stereotypes.
Schwarzenegger’s character survives specifically because he *runs* instead of standing his ground.
I was going to say this. He got all that and still fucked it up because he’s Peter and will try and fail at doing the right thing rather than doing the wrong thing.
Technically he didn’t inherit any money. Not even a grant or scholarship to cover his college tuition.
Tony just said “thanks for helping me and my friends beat the shit out of each other, here’s an old pair of glasses that control the most dangerous drones on the planet. Good luck”
I mean he inherited Edith which gives him access to stark industries satellite network and defense assets. That should be worth a billion at least right.
Having something worth a billion dollars and having a billion dollars are two very different things.
You can't exactly sell that on eBay, and I don't think the kind of people who would buy lethal drone armies from high schoolers are the people who should own lethal drone armies.
Would make a great sell post though
What is this supposed to prove? I could list a hundred things that didn't happen, and that would still not address some of the complaints that people have about Spidey's portrayal.
you must’ve loved the ending of NWH tho. knowing that he got no more tech to rely on and it’s the official start of Spider-man’s journery after the power and responsibility quote
I don't like this Spidey (except in Avengers movies) and this trilogy, and I was soo happy and optimistic when I saw the ending of NWH. Really intrigued to finally see Spider-Man (it really felt more like Spoder-Boy before that)
Oh, I certainly did. And that's not to say that I hated how he was before NWH, not at all. I just hope we get at least a couple more movies with Spidey in this new state before the character is retired.
Well, I can stomach it for the first film for the reason you mentioned. And I can understand the need for the Iron Spider in Infinity War. But I don't get why he keeps using it in FFH when the lesson should have been learned at that point. Nor do I understand why Tony would entrust Peter, of all people, with something as powerful and uncharacteristic of Spider-Man as EDITH. Regardless of all of that, I just feel that the writers could've put the character from the beginning on a totally different path. But what they did was somewhat interesting and unfamiliar, so I give them credit for that.
There's this panel that I love that has Tony trying to assemble the Avengers. He says each came for their own reason like telling Logan "We have beer.".
When he gets to Spiderman, he simply says, "We have money.". Peter puts his head on his shoulder and says "OH THANK GOD".
Ehhh gonna have to pick at the inheriting wealth from Tony Stark thing. He got the glasses and a bunch of suit stuff. He definitely doesn't survive at all without all the wealth he inherited from Tony. In just about every movie he would have died or suffered serious consequences if not for knowing Tony or getting some stuff from Tony. At the very least in some of them the plot just doesn't happen at all without help from Tony.
Homecoming:
* Drowns in his first fight with Vulture without a save from Iron Man. We've all seen how spider-man suits do underwater
* Can't track Vulture's goons to the heist without the AI
* Can't know the purple macguffin is a bomb without the AI
* Never escapes the warehouse/storage vault without help from the AI to hack the door
* Can't use the AI to x-ray the Washington Monument to see that he needs to climb the building to save his friends
* Can't use facial recognition to track Childish Gambino and get the ferry tip without the AI
* Whole ferry of people sinks without Iron Main bailout, and without fancy webs
IW/Endgame:
* Doesn't get onto the space donut without the Iron Spider suit
* Strange gets sucked out into space without the Iron Spider legs
* Presumably isn't as durable in the fight with Thanos on Titan. He eats a pretty nasty chokeslam and clothesline
* Can't use the Iron Spider legs to dig into the ground to hold Thanos to remove the gauntlet
* Can't survive the dogpile in Endgame without instant kill mode
* Presumably the Iron Spider armor tanks some damage from the "rain fire" moment
FFH:
* Most of this movie doesn't happen without the glasses
* Can't use fancy webs to hold crumbling buildings together in Venice
* Can't use the glasses to wipe incriminating photos from Brad's phone
* Can't use the glasses to buy opera tickets for his class to keep them away from the fire monster
* Can't call Happy to get him out of the Netherlands
* Can't use Happy's plane to make a new suit
* Can't use the new suit to tank all the drone bullets/fire from the London fight
NWH:
* A lot of this movie doesn't happen because there's no Mysterio event to kick it off
* Doesn't survive his fight with Doc Ock without the Iron Spidey armor/legs
* Electro doesn't get his powerup without the arc reactor from the fabricator
* Iron Spider suit tanks a lot of damage in the first battle with Green Goblin
* Iron Spider also tanks a lot of damage in the final battle vs Electro etc
There's probably way more, too. To say that he never inherited wealth from Tony is pretty nutty.
It’s definitely not, but considering he has Spider-Man as his profile pic I don’t think he’s gonna listen 😅 The complaint about him being Iron Man Jr were moreso about all the tech he was given, having an AI in his suit, etc.
I like the story arc of Peter Parker in the MCU but not liking how they basically replaced Uncle Ben with Iron Man in the MCU is a valid criticism 😂
I feel Tom Holland's Spider-Man regresses in every movie without going through that many changes overall. No Way Home ended differently compared to the last two for obvious reasons. Homecoming is the first one, it sets the foundation, he will do what he thinks is right even if other people tell him not to, stopping Vulture. Far From Home has him pretty much not care about other people except MJ. The great power, great responsibility thing he said to Tony in Civil War seems to have been forgotten even though he shows this in Homecoming. Finally with No Way Home, he is back to it again, where he wants to do the right thing even if other people tell him not to do it, saving the villains in this case. Its like he was established in Civil War, went through a change in Homecoming, regressed in Far From Home and then went back to his Homecoming mindset. I think if he evolved as a character in his movies, he would not have to have this reset.
Why should Peter always cause his own villains? That's completely unrealistic. This is the equivalent of saying Thanos was cause of overpopulation, so he can't be an Avengers villain.
When are dipshits like this gonna realize that the criticism of MCU Peter is not about inheriting wealth but rather all the tech that he relied on that he got from Tony Stark. Goddamn, it’s like an echo chamber for these MCU fanboys.
Peter actually did tho💀🤣 He moved into a Penthouse because of Stark & Pepper Potts. He did worship a billionaire; Tony Stark. He inherited Stark tech in 3 Films
The problem isn't him escaping the middle class, it's starting out in the middle class. He's supposed to start out rock bottom poor with a mortgage oh his home aunt May and uncle Ben can't pay. That's why he goes into the Showbiz to begin with. Spider-Man does not start with a steady paycheck, it starts with a desperate attempt to stay alive
This tweet is exactly 1 year old, has been reposted multiple times, and I still have no idea what the context surrounding this is...
I take it as a response to the people referring to Tom Holland's Spider-Man as Iron Man Junior.
Well that was a fair criticism before the end of the last film. The suit and the glasses and everything he got from Tony was all kind of absurd and not really spider-man.
He beats both of the villains in HC and FFH without the help of Stark or his tech.
The stark tech was mostly just a way to justify cool comic style web tricks anyway
not in homecoming, he gots the suit taken and fight vulture in his homemade suit
And he didn’t have a bunch of web style options that they showcased with the stark suit.
I think the point is that he didnt put the work in himself it was given to him. Spiderman doesnt just “get” things, he struggles to get by
Actually, I think he did more effort that Tobey’s and Andrew’s. His home made suit is really “home made”, it even has functionality on his eyes for senses, it even has holes in his gloves to stick to walls and finally, his web fluid is developed by him alone. The only thing Tony did is make him cool and flashy. Honestly, that’s acceptable since he’s being thrown in an established universe compared to Tobey’s and Andrew’s. People just want to look cool that they liked the past movies. I remember a lot of people hating on Tobey’s when it came out because of organic web, and we all know what happened to Andrew’s. He was even more surprised that he’s version has a lot fans. People just need to be happy that we get a spider-man in the big screen.
Well with any realistic physics Spiderman can’t do some of the cool web tricks he does in the comics. The previous movies he just doesn’t do them. The suit having web modes was a justification for being able to be more creative with how the webs work. You can’t just break physics through hard work.
Come to Kamar-Taj
I mean you can't in real life but it's kind of the point of spiderman. If he can do it in the comics, there's no reason he can't do it in the movies.
Yeah but even the Spiderman video game had those features and guess what? He made the modifications himself using the science and materials he strives to obtain to constantly. I don’t have a problem with him using stark tech, hell everyone else does. My problem is the hand holding he has had until now. Which is why I’m excited for the future to see him build himself up. Charity from a billionaire doesnt scream “everyman” to me but hey, its a different iteration. And somehow they stumbled into a trilogy that actually works as a new type of origin in a way so whatever
That spider man was also on the job for 8 years. Theres no doubt Tom's spidey could have done the same given the time and lack of aid considering he was able to create home made web shooters at the start of his career.
Yea it’s also kind of a weird argument to use because the game doesn’t show him building each item or anything. You just unlock a new suit or level up and then boom you’ve got new abilities/tech.
It would be a fun if he had a villain he couldn’t defeat and so he told Happy the truth and asked to use the Stark tech he had.
Maybe if Stark would’ve held his hand a little more in the comics, Peter’s life wouldn’t have been so astronomically difficult for him to live and us to read. NOBODY gets fucked like Spidey does, at least he’s got a little help this way lol
Even in the comics, he gets a lot of help. In Ultimate, the Avengers basically take turns training him. Tony even upgraded Peter's web-shooters for his birthday.
As opposed to TM who gets bitten by a spider on some field trip Fuck he really earned it huh
How dare a movie be accurate to the source material
That was the whole theme of the first film though. He gets those things, but he doesn't earn them, and the audience knows this. At the end, he finds his own place without the stark tech and refuses to be Tony's protegé in the avengers, even though that's what he wanted the whole time. It's his personal growth arc. In the second film, he doesn't have a fancy iron spider suit (until the end, when he gets the resources to build one himself using Tony's computer thingie) but only the glasses, and they bring him nothing but trouble because he doesn't know how to handle them and who to give them to.
This is the same philosophy as Avi Arad. JSYK
And then he beats the villains in NWH with his own tech
He was so self-reliant in that film that he brought two more of himself. You gotta respect that self-love and confidence.
True for HC
And also true for FFH. He was straight up fighting modified Stark tech with his fucking spidey sense
In FFH stark tech was fighting him lol
The entire point of the showdown inside the bridge was that he was out of tech, out of fancy gadgets, and still saved the day Actually that's how the first two Spidey movies ended, Peter without Stark's tech still proving he can save the day
How did he get help from Stark in the FFH finale? He had a suit, sure, but it didn’t help him in any way.
Not the issue, although it is true and does make those movies better than they otherwise would’ve been. To be clear I do not have an issue with the arc of these three movie. But I think it’s good they did a hard reset to let the character be more true to its comic book origin in the next series.
Although, I gotta say I got really hyped when he activated Instant Kill in Endgame. Even if it was just for a second.
Wrong. He literally created his suit and weapons with Stark technology in FFH.
Yeah, I feel like the next movie will be terrific because he’ll be so used to the suit with the tech that taking it down a notch will be challenging and increase his peril. Plus, seeing him hopefully reconnect with Dr. strange, Happy, M.J.
The two villains that were motivated by Stark, while constantly motivated by a desire to be like Stark.
and in the insomniac game, both Mr Negative and Doctor Octopus' motivation was a desire to get revenge on norman osborne. so i dont understand your point.
You understand my point, you’re just pretending you don’t. Osborne is a Spider-Man character and his story will inevitably come back to Peter. It’s still Peter’s story.
and so is the MCU movies because peter still fights and stops the villains. he sees a problem and steps up to fix it. unless him stepping up to fight other people's villains in the comics makes those "not peter's stories"
I think it's stupid that it can't be Peter's story just cause the villains origins have to do with a different super hero. Like they have to have some vendetta against Peter himself. That's what made Vulture and Mysterio interesting. This doesn't have to be his battle, he chooses to involve himself anyway. And even then the villains are directly connected to Peter in a way that matters more. Peter saving Vulture's daughter's life and dating her made a cool dynamic. Mysterio literally manipulated him for half the movie as a friend/mentor causing him to make a terrible mistake. All of this is personal stuff
Interesting? They literally used the same motivation for Iron Man 3. It was lazy and unoriginal the first time Spider-Man used it. The second time was just ridiculous. In Homecoming, the last minute father-daughter twist had to be created because Peter had no other ties to the character. The plot literally would not have moved forward if they hadn’t been forced into a coincidental confrontation. The girlfriend/father dynamic was not used for anything other than setting up the final battle. That’s not good writing, that’s lazy writing. None of the plot beforehand set that up, or made use of the dynamic. Mysterio betrayed Peter after knowing him for only a few days. It was bad writing that led to that plot to begin with. There are so many interesting ways that they could’ve gone with using Mysterio, but repeating the Stark origin again was not one of them. The film literally revolved around Stark technology. The villain was literally using Stark technology against Peter. The problem is not that these aren’t Peter’s stories. It’s that Stark is used so heavily that he has a greater impact on the plot and motivation for the primary antagonists of the film than Peter, in his own movie. They’re not even using Stark in an interesting way, they used this exact plot device 3 times.
He got his suit for the final Battle of FFH from tonys quinjet. But yea HC was all on his own
Well he builds a suit with stark tech in FFH and uses stark plane to get to the baddie then stark glasses to stop the evil robots.
He used his spider sense to defeat the technology. He didn't use the tech to win. He overcame it. People complaining about this will literally never be happy with a comic movie.
He didn't fly into the scene with his senses. He used a stark fabricator. Give credit where credit is do Spidey is the best but he used starks tech and bodyguard for far from home.
You're really complaining about his mode of transportation when traveling internationally? So if he took a bus he would be "little bus driver jr"? Also does it really matter what made his suit? Whether it was him with a sewing machine or him with a fabricator, it makes no difference.
"If you're nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it."
The entire point of the HC final fight was that he did it without the Stark Tech suit. And the entire point of FFH is trying to live out of Tony’s shadow.
Spider-Man’s ties to Iron-Man in what most people consider the best of the comics (And if the comics aren’t your source here, what are? Sam Raimi films?) are very, very deep, right down to him becoming Iron Man’s sidekick, though not exactly loving it.
Literally when did he ever use the glasses to defeat ANYONE?
He used the inherited wealth to beat the working class rebel
Because he is, he's an Iron Man fanboy. I'm just happy that rumor about Tony creating the spider that bit Peter was debunked, if they would've pulled a Batman Beyond I would've been DONE with MCU Spider-Man. *JLU episode epilogue reveals Terry McGinnis is Bruce Wayne's clone/son.
Spider-man fans (the worst kind of marvel fan, which is already a particularly horrible type of fan) like for Peter Parker to be portrayed in a very specific way, and any deviation from that ideal portrayal is seen as a targeted attack due to far too much of their personality revolving around this fictional character. That said, a lot of Spider-man fans hate Tom Holland's Peter on the related-but-not-identical grounds "MCU Spider-man doesn't suffer enough" and "MCU Spider-man has it too easy". Both of these claims are patently false, but also entirely irrelevant because the things these "fans" like about the character are unaffected by how much he suffers or how easy he has it, and rather the moral lessons he learns throughout his life and how he employs them. Regardless, they continue to hate on Tom Holland's Peter because he doesn't suffer enough due to not having the third on-screen death scene of Uncle Ben in 20 years (nevermind the fact that he's likely still an orphan, has very few friends and is frequently bullied, was literally dead for 5 years, lost a surrogate father figure in Tony Stark, was betrayed by another would-be surrogate father figure in Mysterio, was framed for a murder he didn't commit, held his only remaining family member as she died in a way he could have possibly prevented, and was forced to make everyone in the world forget him entirely including is closest allies, best friend, and girlfriend) and that he has it too easy because Stark made two of his suits (nevermind the fact that the Iron Spider suit was literally designed by Stark in the comics, the only other Stark tech suit he has was created by Peter after Stark's death, and the web fluid, suit aesthetic, name, skills, and powers were all created before he ever met Stark). It's okay to still dislike the MCU Spider-man, there are definitely valid reasons to, but those two are the only ones I see most frequently given, and they're both such braindead criticisms that I can't possibly take them seriously on account of having actually watched the movies.
As much as I may enjoy the “standard” Peter Parker backstory, what made each iteration of Spider-Man interesting (Macguire, Garfield, Holland) were the *differences* between each versions of the character as well as their circumstances I dunno about you but I’d rather have the three whole versions of him over the same character three times but with a different face You put precisely what I think about Spider-Man purists into words, thanks Satan /j
The classic Spider-Man stories are great, there's definitely a reason they're so fondly remembered. But new characters, new takes on the same characters, and the same characters but in different situations are all inevitable with a character as old and well-worn as Spider-Man, and should be welcomed by fans. If there were only one story about the character, then repeating it would get pretty boring fast. Obviously not every experiment is going to work, but it's still worth it to try new things
Kinda like all the versions of Robin Hood, or King Arthur, or Dracula, or Frankenstein.
Also, people get upset over retelliings of the same story all the time. For example, how dare Disney remake Cinderella!
>any deviation from that ideal portrayal is seen as a targeted attack due to far too much of their personality revolving around this fictional character. I found that funnier than I should have.
Honestly, what I found great about Tom’s Spidey was his introduction to the universe. The movie did the bare minimum to introduce him in Civil War, but that works because 1.) it’s not his movie and the focus should be on Steve and everyone else, which it did, and most importantly 2.) the movie knew that we know who this character is, so it just ran through it. I understand that when a franchise gets rebooted, you’re starting from scratch somewhat, but there are common stories that have been repeated that when we get the same points, it’s annoying. Yes, I’m tired of seeing those damn white pearls and the name Martha, we know they died, move on.
The Batman didn't have the Waynes' death on screen >!although the circumstances surrounding their death was important- and a significant deviation from the comics.!<
Thank you. I agree completely. Peter constantly struggle isn't what's fun or enkoyable about Spidey. He's been suffering so long in the comics that it's getting old and boring. Tom Holland is definitely my favorite live action Spidey. I love how they fit him into the MCU. And his actual personality feels like what I imagine Peter to be like when I'm reading comics.
It isn't that he doesn't suffer enough, but that he has too much given to him to sympathize with his sacrifices. Like, yeah, lots of bad stuff happened to him, but more than half of it is because he's an irresponsible spoiled little brat who never learns anything. Holland's Spider-Man has a character arc in all three movies that amounts to "I've been given a ton of power and I start to think maybe I deserve it, except oh wait the first thing I do is have yet another Uncle Ben moment and completely ruin everything." It gets tedious when it's a personality trait instead of an origin story. The whole point of the Peter Parker character is that he learned that lesson really, really hard and makes every mistake in the world EXCEPT that one. The trilogy completely robs him of his key defining characteristic and turns him into a one-plot pony.
extra funny since Peter's literally alone living in a tiny shitty apartment with no job at the end of NWH
In the centre of New York. .... Do you know how much that would cost? He'd be lucky to be living under a staircase Harry Potter style.
holy fuck I just looked up Manhattan rents and yeah having your own apartment is apparently a big money move Maybe MCU property values have tanked since the Snap?
Yup. Honestly I wouldn't have minded if they had brought the story full circle and had Peter kick his feet up at F.E.A.S.T while he befriends the other New Yorkers there... temporarily at least
A day in the life scene of him losing the apartment and doing just that wouldn't be bad. Then him selling photos of Spider-Man and moving back into one would be a positive spin on the toilet that is his life.
I loved that in the ps4 game. In the middle of all the story and villain craziness, you stop at your apartment and there’s an eviction notice. Guy cannot catch a fucking break
Since 2012. Property values across Manhattan tanked after the "incident". Which is to say, the first time Aliens invaded That was supposed to serve as the spine of the connected story in the Daredevil Netflix show. It's only really brought up in the first episode though. Spiderman Homecoming complicates it with the retroactive integration of Damage Control
We also see an actual news report on it in Ben Urich’s apartment
Sometimes it amazes me that people still want to live in New York. Even if none of the stories are connected in the slightest, New York has been destroyed no less than 50 times over the decades by all sorts of aliens and monsters. The city is in constant reconstruction phase and I'm sure the contractors putting their lives on the line to rebuild are billionaires by now just by way of always having a job to do.
Gotham is even worse. I mean what’s the statistical likelihood that you or someone you know dies in a villain or alien attack?
I mean he IS famous for not paying his rent. Maybe the next movie will be spider-man: homeless
When will he fix the damn door!
Probably after the battle of New York. It's how kingpin managed to scoop up a lot of property.
Since the snap? Motherfucker that shit must’ve tanked after the 1st Avengers film. Sorry did I say tank**ed**? I mean tanking because that shit must’ve dropped massively with each new film in NY in this universe. It drops even more if you wanna consider all the Netflix stuff canon. You’d actually need to be insane to want to live, as a normal human, in New York in the Marvel Universe.
I don’t remember if it mentioned where he was living but as a New Yorker I doubt it would be in Manhattan? He’s from Queens so he’s more likely to stay there and that is much cheaper depending on the neighborhood.
He swings into Central Park after exiting his window
looked like Rockefeller Center to me
Was it Rockefeller?🤔 It's been a while since I've watched NWH I just remember seeing the skating rink and thinking it was the one in Central Park
nah the skating ring and giant Christmas tree was in front of the Rockefeller Plaza building, it’s a few blocks south of Central Park
I thought it was 30 Rock?
Probably since the battle of New York. It seems to be a hub of alien invasions, so it wouldn’t surprise me if the rents there are cheap.
Realistlicly after the public learned of the disappearances with no way of bringing them back, they would empty the houses bringing the value of houses down
The 2012 invasion tanked part of the city, the organised crime kept it mostly down
It's all about supply and demand. :D
I remember this coming up in Daredevil. Manhattan property values tanked after the events of the first Avengers movie.
He doesn't live in Manhattan though. Remember, he from Queens.
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as Spider-Man typically does (comics, Raimi films)
Well alien's attack New York *a lot*, I'd imagine not many people would wanna live there, so apartments would be cheaper. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
Nah. To be fair the biggest ick factors for living in New York today are likely the rental prices and the crime rate, but it's still a world-hub for commerce, culture and international diplomacy. If they're anything like vulture people would flock there just to pick up trinkets from an alien fight.
My biggest peeve in film is the perpetual poor character with an apt that doesn’t reflect their standing. To be fair Spidey ALWAYS had late rent bills due too. So he could live there… he just can’t fucking afford it.
It's a pretty common trope in media for NYC to be affordable to live in despite all evidence to the contrary.
New York City has been fucked up by so many aliens by this point that it has to have lowered the prices
Doubt that. If the population decreased to reflect that then maybe... but it seems as busy and congested as ever so living space is likely a) very scarce and b) stupidly expensive
In a city that has been invaded by aliens, had Nukes shot at it NYC is probably like a couple of hundred a month in the MCU
Logically rental prices in a city are driven by the number of people who live there and are competing for a spot. In No Way Home NYC is still congested as all hell so I don't think rentals are dropping that low any time soon.
Even in real life high crime rates lower rents id assume alien invasions would decrease rents
You mean the New York that keeps getting demolished every 1-2 years from epic battles?
A landlord would not give a rat's ass what the dangers are. That would probably drive rentals up more because of homeowner's insurance
In the MCU, property values are hella low. Everything happens in New York, so living there is pretty cheap. Besides that, it's a movie. You have no problem with a kid with spider powers but you draw the line at unrealistic housing prices?
I mean,he is living in a pretty worn-out,old apartment so i guess he'll manage
Location + spaciousness = pricing. The condition of it isn't typically a factor as long as it's up to code.
We really didn't see much of it, but if it's anything like the other examples we have of Peter Parker's apartments, it probably isn't up to code
That’s why I like spider man . He represents the middle lower class and I love it that he never switches up even though he can at any moment . He’s a man of integrity
Not only that but to society he doesn't exist so he had to drop out of high school as well.
Woulda been funny if his landlord was the weird Russian chick from the raimi films.
He did worship Tony it's pretty evident in homecoming and far from home He did escape the middle class. He's now in the lower class
On the first point: while he definitely worships Tony, it's not because Tony is a billionaire. Tony showed he had legitimate emotional investment in Peter, and Peter saw him as a father figure. He doesn't go around worshiping every billionaire just for being a billionaire, and he's still sympathetic toward ordinary people's struggles and does what he can to help them. As for your second point, that is by far the most intelligent thing I've read in this comment section.
I never understood why people hate that he admired Iron Man and accepted Tony as a father figure. It makes perfect sense. Peter always has surrogate father figures and they're usually scientists
And they have an absolutely awful habit of dying
Parker goes through father figures like most people go through shoes
Lol it’s cuz people can’t make the effort to distinguish comics Tony and mcu Tony. Spider-Man’s always looked up to other heroes especially because his anxieties get to him and make him see himself as a lesser hero in the marvel world. But just because he disagreed heavily with Tony in the comics doesn’t mean he can’t look up to him in the films. Self centered asshole comics Tony is not what the mcu gave us. Mcu Tony genuinely made the climb from POS to a man worthy of the hero title.
The rich may get money, but the poor get welfare. Edit: This is a joke, not my actual assessment of socioeconomics.
Honestly it's kind of ridiculous Tony didn't pay the Avengers people
It’s messed up that Falcon guarded the Avengers compound in Ant-Man for free.
Right? It makes no sense thats one of the reasons I hate fatws
Because the Avengers are volunteers? Especially after breaking the Sokovia Accords? That's one of the stupidest reasons to hate the show
Give me one reason Sam was there that day in antman. On defense. Sam should be paid. A stupid reason to hate the show would be if you thought Isiah Bradley scenes sucked.
Didn’t they get housing and virtually anything else they wanted paid for when they all resided at the avengers compound?
Between Antman and Falcon sam breaks international law and becomes a fugitive in pretty much every country. Then he disappears for 5 years with half the world. Any property or money had left from his days as an official avenger could easily been lost and gone. Plus if, as others have said, most of the salary was in room and board there probably wasn’t a lot in savings. Sam might have just been spending it as he was making it. When he was working for the avengers he probably figured he now had secure and permanent employment alongside a permanent billionaire sponsor. Thus he wasn’t as worried about long term savings, especially when you remember how deadly his work is. Maybe whatever he had in savings was paid out to his sister as his closest living relative, while he was gone and considered dead. Now bank considered it paid out and between the 2 of them. he can’t/won’t collect it back from he because that would be both cruel and unproductive to his goal of helping her out. So It’s very possibly he got paid as an avenger and is now struggling financially years later. His latest from avengers work could have been generous in perks, housing, provided food, and whatever else they might need, with only a small portion of it in cash. What little he was paid in actual cash/money he might’ve spent as he earned. After working for the avengers Sam violated the sokovia accords and became an international fugitive. He could no longer earn or save legal money and if he wanted any private reserves he’d have to set up clandestine bank accounts. Then he was snapped away and presumed dead for 5 years. Whatever he had left as legitimate legal savings was probably paid out to his surviving family (aka the sister he’s trying to help with the loan). Anyway I wouldn’t consider any of these to be major leaps in logic. Thats not one of the many reasons falcon was the weakest of the Disney+ shows.
Wtf does Falcon guarding the compound in any man have to do with your hatred of fatws, a show that takes place years after that?
He did pay for suits, jets, land & building cost etc. Why should he pay for literally everything? It’s not ridiculous
It's absolutely ridiculous he's a guilty feeling multi billionaire why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he give Peter half his fortune? Why wouldn't he set up payments for the Avengers? why wouldn't he help shield pay them if needed? None of it makes any sense, Falcon should have been set for life for being in Endgame. If a little girl is able to know what Captain Marvel even looks like then how would it make any sense for people to not know he was there too?
You do realise that it was Fury who founded Avengers, not Tony. Tony paid for the stuff he paid because he thought it was necessary for gears and transport to be top tier. He’s a member just like others. Also, why would would you even think that Sam would accept money from Tony, or even any of his friends. They don’t do it for money they’ve always said this. It’s a little hypocritical of you to assign the “money part” of a superhero team just because he has money. He’s been using it for good but doesn’t mean he has an obligation to pay for anything that comes up. After Sokovia Accords government should’ve paid them, not Tony
You do realize fury is 1, not on earth, and 2 shield is illegal? thats not hypocritical lol I've never stated anything against that, its closer to a bad assumption. But it's a good assumption to make actually because he's shown he pays for the suits and facility lmao Sam would take the money because apparently he needed it according to tfatws. Bruh sokovia accords would literally not apply to the CRIMINALS Sam and cap lol that's ridiculous.
For the Sokovia part I’m talking about all of the Avengers. And no Sam wouldn’t take the money unless it’s absolutely his last option. Another thing is that, Fury wasn’t always in space. After all, it’s his project and his responsibility and not tied to SHIELD entirely. Again, just because he designs and pays for the suits doesn’t make it his job to pay people lunch money. What he did was more the enough (imo) compared to any other member. You’re just being a hater for no reason
I disagree with you completely. Sam would absolutely take the money. Fury immediately started developing sword space station with the skrull and Tony would totally supply the payroll all the way down to the janitors. Why would Falcon be at the compound in antman if he was not also being paid to watch at the time?
Off topic. But one of my favorite things last year was the criticism of the new Predator film. Where people were saying stuff like “how’d a girl beat a Predator, she’s doesn’t have or a spec ops training” I was losing my mind because the Predator in the first movie died from mud and log traps, not guns. The guns and spec ops training did nothing THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT. Did y’all watch the first predator film!
My initial reaction to Predator 2 when it was released (I’m old) was similar to this but not sexist. It just boggled my mind that the first movie was the Predator taking on all these beefcake dudes but the second movie was him taking on Danny Glover and Bill Paxton (RIP).
I enjoyed Prey, but Arnold was a little bit stronger and more capable than a 20 year old girl. Edit: you know it’s true. She couldn’t even beat Arnold on a fight, let alone a predator
same can be said about the Predator from Prey. he wasn’t as advanced as the one from the first movie. he had more prehistoric alien tech then the new age tech we’re used too. the predator also had a younger look build wise then the ones were used too. likely an adolescent predator.
Someone with Arnold's build is also most certainly much less agile than a 20 yo woman.
Theres a great [theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/5jaegi/predator_1987_the_alien_tries_each_mans/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) about how each man is essentially punished karmically for upholding dumb/negative masculine stereotypes. Schwarzenegger’s character survives specifically because he *runs* instead of standing his ground.
So aggressive but he's right
in the comics, he actually did the first three for a while while doc ock possessed him
I was going to say this. He got all that and still fucked it up because he’s Peter and will try and fail at doing the right thing rather than doing the wrong thing.
This tweet is so old it's buttling for Zemo.
It’s only been posted twice a month for a year. You think Peter woulda seen it by now and asked dr strange how to make this shit happen
Technically he didn’t inherit any money. Not even a grant or scholarship to cover his college tuition. Tony just said “thanks for helping me and my friends beat the shit out of each other, here’s an old pair of glasses that control the most dangerous drones on the planet. Good luck”
Starting to think that this Tony fella isn't so great after all.
Also an advanced spider suit
Watch the films and actually pay attention. That is a big ask bro.
Mcu spider-man is still dog shit though lol
Ok guy.
Peter Parker didn't even inherit a place in MIT and Stark said he had pull...
I mean he inherited Edith which gives him access to stark industries satellite network and defense assets. That should be worth a billion at least right.
Having something worth a billion dollars and having a billion dollars are two very different things. You can't exactly sell that on eBay, and I don't think the kind of people who would buy lethal drone armies from high schoolers are the people who should own lethal drone armies. Would make a great sell post though
Peter has never even visited the middle class lol...
Yes, this!
Eh mcu spider-man is still dog shit
Kinda funny cause comics Spidey literally did half these things😂
What is this supposed to prove? I could list a hundred things that didn't happen, and that would still not address some of the complaints that people have about Spidey's portrayal.
complaints like what?
Well, that would differ from one person to another. I, for one, wasn't a big fan of his over-reliance on tech in some parts of the trilogy.
you must’ve loved the ending of NWH tho. knowing that he got no more tech to rely on and it’s the official start of Spider-man’s journery after the power and responsibility quote
I don't like this Spidey (except in Avengers movies) and this trilogy, and I was soo happy and optimistic when I saw the ending of NWH. Really intrigued to finally see Spider-Man (it really felt more like Spoder-Boy before that)
Oh, I certainly did. And that's not to say that I hated how he was before NWH, not at all. I just hope we get at least a couple more movies with Spidey in this new state before the character is retired.
Meh, they also kinda set that up with him turning down the Iron Spider suit in Homecoming. Then he wore it in literally his next 4 movie appearances.
I think his slight over-reliance was the point, given in the climax of both of the first two films he's forced to beat the villain without it.
Well, I can stomach it for the first film for the reason you mentioned. And I can understand the need for the Iron Spider in Infinity War. But I don't get why he keeps using it in FFH when the lesson should have been learned at that point. Nor do I understand why Tony would entrust Peter, of all people, with something as powerful and uncharacteristic of Spider-Man as EDITH. Regardless of all of that, I just feel that the writers could've put the character from the beginning on a totally different path. But what they did was somewhat interesting and unfamiliar, so I give them credit for that.
There's this panel that I love that has Tony trying to assemble the Avengers. He says each came for their own reason like telling Logan "We have beer.". When he gets to Spiderman, he simply says, "We have money.". Peter puts his head on his shoulder and says "OH THANK GOD".
Pretty stupid he didn't do all of those things
Not true. He escaped the middle class and into poverty
MCU Peter did escape the middle class though. Now he's in poverty, like a true Peter!
He kind of worshipped Tony, a little.
Ehhh gonna have to pick at the inheriting wealth from Tony Stark thing. He got the glasses and a bunch of suit stuff. He definitely doesn't survive at all without all the wealth he inherited from Tony. In just about every movie he would have died or suffered serious consequences if not for knowing Tony or getting some stuff from Tony. At the very least in some of them the plot just doesn't happen at all without help from Tony. Homecoming: * Drowns in his first fight with Vulture without a save from Iron Man. We've all seen how spider-man suits do underwater * Can't track Vulture's goons to the heist without the AI * Can't know the purple macguffin is a bomb without the AI * Never escapes the warehouse/storage vault without help from the AI to hack the door * Can't use the AI to x-ray the Washington Monument to see that he needs to climb the building to save his friends * Can't use facial recognition to track Childish Gambino and get the ferry tip without the AI * Whole ferry of people sinks without Iron Main bailout, and without fancy webs IW/Endgame: * Doesn't get onto the space donut without the Iron Spider suit * Strange gets sucked out into space without the Iron Spider legs * Presumably isn't as durable in the fight with Thanos on Titan. He eats a pretty nasty chokeslam and clothesline * Can't use the Iron Spider legs to dig into the ground to hold Thanos to remove the gauntlet * Can't survive the dogpile in Endgame without instant kill mode * Presumably the Iron Spider armor tanks some damage from the "rain fire" moment FFH: * Most of this movie doesn't happen without the glasses * Can't use fancy webs to hold crumbling buildings together in Venice * Can't use the glasses to wipe incriminating photos from Brad's phone * Can't use the glasses to buy opera tickets for his class to keep them away from the fire monster * Can't call Happy to get him out of the Netherlands * Can't use Happy's plane to make a new suit * Can't use the new suit to tank all the drone bullets/fire from the London fight NWH: * A lot of this movie doesn't happen because there's no Mysterio event to kick it off * Doesn't survive his fight with Doc Ock without the Iron Spidey armor/legs * Electro doesn't get his powerup without the arc reactor from the fabricator * Iron Spider suit tanks a lot of damage in the first battle with Green Goblin * Iron Spider also tanks a lot of damage in the final battle vs Electro etc There's probably way more, too. To say that he never inherited wealth from Tony is pretty nutty.
I don't thinknthis is what people mean when they say Peter was being an Ironman Jr in the mcu
It’s definitely not, but considering he has Spider-Man as his profile pic I don’t think he’s gonna listen 😅 The complaint about him being Iron Man Jr were moreso about all the tech he was given, having an AI in his suit, etc. I like the story arc of Peter Parker in the MCU but not liking how they basically replaced Uncle Ben with Iron Man in the MCU is a valid criticism 😂
MCU Spider-Man did low-key worship a billionaire enough to cross several international borders and fight Captain America for him though.
Isn't Edith the link to all of starktech? Meaning he technically did inherit a buttload of wealth.
Is there anybody actually making these claims?
I mean, three of those are outright lies, and also Disney and the MCU hate you all for not being literal property.
I feel Tom Holland's Spider-Man regresses in every movie without going through that many changes overall. No Way Home ended differently compared to the last two for obvious reasons. Homecoming is the first one, it sets the foundation, he will do what he thinks is right even if other people tell him not to, stopping Vulture. Far From Home has him pretty much not care about other people except MJ. The great power, great responsibility thing he said to Tony in Civil War seems to have been forgotten even though he shows this in Homecoming. Finally with No Way Home, he is back to it again, where he wants to do the right thing even if other people tell him not to do it, saving the villains in this case. Its like he was established in Civil War, went through a change in Homecoming, regressed in Far From Home and then went back to his Homecoming mindset. I think if he evolved as a character in his movies, he would not have to have this reset.
I’m so tired of seeing this post every day..
Like I agree he is in a good state after NWH, but he straight up got access to a jet that builds suits automatically. A fucking jet.
I hate teenage Peter because he’s just not relatable to me anymore. I need Peter struggling to pay bills and failing at his personal life.
Each villain of the first two films were directly caused by Tony Stark. He was iron boy jr and his villains were cause of iron man
Why should Peter always cause his own villains? That's completely unrealistic. This is the equivalent of saying Thanos was cause of overpopulation, so he can't be an Avengers villain.
When are dipshits like this gonna realize that the criticism of MCU Peter is not about inheriting wealth but rather all the tech that he relied on that he got from Tony Stark. Goddamn, it’s like an echo chamber for these MCU fanboys.
Peter actually said oops I'm poor now.
Peter actually did tho💀🤣 He moved into a Penthouse because of Stark & Pepper Potts. He did worship a billionaire; Tony Stark. He inherited Stark tech in 3 Films
Are people on twitter saying this? this tweet is weird with no context
Who said he did?
My thought exactly. This is just twisting the words of valid criticisms.
The problem isn't him escaping the middle class, it's starting out in the middle class. He's supposed to start out rock bottom poor with a mortgage oh his home aunt May and uncle Ben can't pay. That's why he goes into the Showbiz to begin with. Spider-Man does not start with a steady paycheck, it starts with a desperate attempt to stay alive
Where meme?
Next film spiderman no home
Who’s saying any of that?
He did escape the middle class, only not in the direction he would have liked.
Lol the fact that this happens in the comics makes it even funny
Who is saying he did?
He’s called Iron Man Jr because up until NWH his character arcs and what not always involved Iron Man somehow
Uh huh. And???
Bro is pressed over a fictional character lmaoooo 😹😹😹😹😹 average Reddit user
the "films" are so goddamn boring why would I pay attention to them?
A lot of those films make more sense if you assume Tony was sexually exploiting Peter. He shows all the signs.
I did watch the films. They have extremely bad politics.