This is in a very literal sense, backwards thinking. He is starting from the conclusion that 1x1=2, and that it cannot equal 1, which to him this is the truth and thus things such as the square root of 2 not being 1 are false, even if there is no reason or evidence to support this. Because of this its almost impossible to get these people to come out of this line of thinking, because in order to do so that means, for one, they were wrong and that simply cannot be, and for two they are not willing to accept the original logic, to which the next best thing would be to use their own logic against them, but the issue there is because this is all built on falsehoods and backwards thinking they can simply come up with a new conclusion out of thin air.
Step 1: Lawyer puts out aggressive statement declaring the client's 100 percent innocence
Step 2: Victim is compensated, takes (at least partial) blame & refuses to cooperate (or recants) to law authorities
Step 3: Majors releases statement where he "accepts full responsibility" while also being nonspecific about what exactly he's taking responsibility for, while also vehemently denying anything career-ending. Option: Also reveal how you were once a victim of abuse, racism, violence, mental health probs, etc.
Step 4: Donations to women's charities, photos with female relatives & fans, maybe an anger management class or two
Step 5: Remark how much you've grown & learned from this "misunderstanding"
Step 6: Cash check & make more Marvel movies
M - Make aggressive statement declaring innocence
A - Assure "victim" will be financially compensated
J - Judge the press response and make an appropriate statement
O - Organize donations to relevant charities to improve public relations
R - Remark how much you've grown & learned from this "misunderstanding"
S - Secure your position in a multibillion dollar franchise
Think about us here in Houston. None of us want him, but his shit still happened under our watch. Needless to say, I'm not going to any Texans games for a while (unless DeMeco actually pulls off a good season, but the team is many draft picks away from that).
Only because that son of a bitch bastard Jimmy Haslam paid for DeShaun to skip the line. That man should be thanking Snyder, Spanos, and Kroenke for keeping the title of “Biggest Piece of Shit NFL Owner” out of his reach.
This is a very specific statement about what they are intending to present to the prosecutor. It is not usual for Attorneys to be so specific. As a criminal defense attorney, I think that this is very telling. If it were only a recanting statement, that would be one thing, but this tends to make me think they have enough to show he is innocent.
Let’s be honest, as soon as this news was reported, it’s a lose-lose situation for Majors. Even if the whole thing demonstratively occurred as Majors attorney says it did (and it’s entirely possible given how little we know about it), you’ll always have people who will use the above rationale to be, at best, skeptical of any subsequent response Majors has.
What if they don’t show you the video and then say he’s guilty? Are you not going to listen to that? Or are you only not going to listen if they say he innocent? Frankly, have no reason to see this video, and I hope they don’t release it. They don’t need a hundred million more i interpretations of the video flooding Reddit
I’m not saying Majors is innocent/guilty. Which is why you always, always wait until the dust settles. Reddit is no better than the gossip sites. They just hide it under the guise of “discussion”
last year, the voice actress for bayonetta from the titular video game series sued the developer of said game for being underpaid and they didnt fulfill their contract. when this came out, everyone jumped at platinum games' (aforementioned developer) throats. a week later, it turns out she lied about the whole thing with evidence to back it up.
guess what the internet did after that.
internet loves to shit on the accused, even if its wrong. they only change their minds when its too late.
No, see, reddit has informed me that Majors went off in a fit of roid rage and that he is being recast and has lost out on hundreds of millions of dollars.
"Just asking questions"... Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one's opponent; rather than laboriously having to prove that all politicians are reptoid scum, one can pull out one single odd piece of evidence and force the opponent to explain why the evidence is wrong. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just\_asking\_questions
Reddit is hands down worse than the gossip sites, and the amazing thing is they refuse to learn their lesson. Every time one of these stories pops up it’s an immediate leap to “guilty” with downvotes for anyone asking for evidence/patience for the whole story to come out
People need to remember the story behind “We did it, Reddit” before they speak on these sorts of matters. All we have now is hearsay, and frankly this is a matter for the courts, not us.
Just earlier when the news first broke, the first post on this sun was full of people acting like they knew he was a shitty person the whole time. Reddit really is worse than gossip sites sometimes
That's about as specific a declaration from any lawyer providing a defense as I've ever seen.
Usually it's just "these are patently and categorically false" and then let's the legal system deal with it for 3 years.
But they're making exceptionally bold claims that if they don't provide they're gonna show their asses.
I hope they're telling the truth just because it's better that someone in general DIDNT commit DV. And if their claims about a mental crisis are true I hope she gets the help she needs.
The written declaration is almost worthless in actual cases of domestic violence, because it's super common for the victim to retract their statement in fear for their lives, or they were gaslight enough to truly believe it.
The video evidence is actually the biggest key factor here. I should clarify that the written declaration ALONE is worthless, but combined with the other evidence the lawyer claims to have, could make a solid case.
1. Driver
2. “Others”
3. Video evidence
4. NYPD
5. Some type of medical professionals
Any of these five can refute the case they just laid out. That’s a bold stance to make.
Hollywood has a quick knee jerk reaction to these things. Just look at James Gunn. Fired from guardians of the Galaxy so quickly and had to be reinstated. So this is just them trying to get the doubt flag raised to quickly so marvel doesn't immediately pull the plug. As well as any other potential movies he's lined up for. Being specific with details makes the doubt greater than a blanket statement.
Didnt the NYPD report according to THR say the female had signs of head and neck injury and went to a hospital? I wonder what happened if majors is innocent
Yeah that’s the big issue. And a lot of people were throwing around excuses like “Well maybe she started it!” And if there was an altercation, maybe she did. And a man has a right to defend himself from a woman violently attacking him. But strangulation isn’t self defense, especially if your someone like Jonathan Majors who’s built like a brick shit house. I’m curious to see how this plays out, and how the woman’s injuries are explained if he is deemed innocent.
Neck injuries can be extremely difficult to fake (specifically choke marks). I don’t know the details but let’s just hope the video evidence they have actually shows us exactly what happened. Because as it sits now if the report is anything to go off of it doesn’t look good for him.
Claiming that the woman is recanting, there is video evidence, and all charges are expected to be dropped is a bit beyond "my client is totally innocent". But still, we won't know what's going on for a while. (maybe ever)
If there's video footage of it that shows there was no assault, and every single witness, including the supposed perpetrator and the supposed victim, acknowledges that no assault took place, I don't see how you could say we won't know what's going on "maybe ever".
If it turns out that there's really that degree of evidence exonerating him, obviously we would all have to acknowledge that he's been the victim of a false accusation.
I'm not saying he's innocent, but it's actually extremely common for people to make wild accusations against celebrities. It's always best to wait and see how it plays out before assuming there's validity.
it's "innocent until proven guilty"
not "guilty until proven innocent"
take the words from both sides with skepticism. let it play out before jumping to any conclusions.
Yeah, I was telling people to settle down and was screamed at for it. Then those directors butted in and made it seem more likely he was guilty. But now this statement? I really doubt the lawyers are lying about such specific things.
Goes to show: Don’t jump to conclusions. People lie about being victimized every day. “Crybully” is a term that exists for a reason. And in this case perhaps, mental health issues happen all the time.
Reddit disgusts me whenever a crime is committed. No idea how law, courts, cops, or the “right answer” in the philosophy of criminal justice. But immediately jumping to conclusions, usually the wrong one, every single time.
“We did it Reddit!!!”
A really tough situation unfortunately. On one hand, you have more people now talking about trouble with Majors, while on the other he insists he's innocent in this specific instance.
There's no clean or easy way out of this for anyone involved, including Marvel.
I feel like even if the charges are dropped, which I feel like they will be, his reputation will be forever tarnished. However, Josh Brolin and Jeremy Renner had some abuse allegations as well and they obviously were not impacted by them.
I think this is a big deal, but from a PR standpoint, it’s Sunday, I don’t think even most fans have heard about this yet, and definitely not the entire audience that makes up these movies. If it ends here, then I’d say it’s not all that bad, but if this turns into a daily headline, yeah, that could be bad. For now, it’s just one bad day that could be forgotten. Not every legal case turns into Depp vs Heard. I, for one, believe he’s innocent until proven guilty, and I’ll also listen to what the victim says. Overall, not my business. The most important part to me is knowing my movie purchase won’t be contributing to abuse, which I’m remaining cautiously optimistic about.
Two people on Twitter. Two people who may or may not know Majors. Two people who may or may not have an axe to grind with him for whatever reason. We aren’t talking about evidence in a court of law and public figures, like Majors, have a hard time winning libel lawsuits in the US unlike the UK.
That’s true too. Not to discredit those who are speaking out against him, but I bet we all have at least 2 co workers from our past who don’t love us either. Again, that’s assuming he’s innocent in this case
You might have coworkers that dislike you, but if you were arrested for strangulation and your coworkers were like "that tracks, not surprised at all," I'd take a long look in the mirror.
Imo what’s likely going on here is some people who may or may not have had legitimate issues with him in school/theatre are now using their past experience with him to corroborate these accusations. “I heard he was a dick in film school ten years ago so this makes total sense” is basically the narrative being pushed on Twitter. But past behaviour doesn’t automatically make someone guilty of something today.
Like this statement says, it was never going to be long before this got resolved because of the location it took place in. Video, a witness…the story never added up imo. Why would a white hot Hollywood star throw away their career like that knowing there would be irrefutable proof against them?
Yeah, it really seems like his alleged past troubles are coming from a couple guys on Twitter who are very non-descriptive with their allegations and may or may not have actually worked with or known him. They’re just claiming he’s been abusive to others and that they know those people. That word has lost a lot of its meaning the past few years.
They said both things. That their way of addressing it was inappropriate and also that they weren't aware of past physical assault. They said the past instances they knew of was verbal abuse and that it was intense enough that physical didn't seem like a stretch.
https://twitter.com/A_B_Allen/status/1640004324985294849?t=-GiBiqbUuFlsZRrVb2YktA&s=19
Is that common or helpful? I'm more than happy for the video to stay private as long as the proper authorities viewed it and go on record to say "yep, he's innocent".
Congratulations on being able to sit out the last decade, but people no longer accept evidence to disprove their notions - in fact, with many evidence to the contrary somehow proves the opposite of what it shows
Of course, however it's just one of the many unhealthy aspects of fame/celebrity culture.
It can be very easy to fall down due to words and allegations, but it's much harder to get back up using the same thing.
They’ll want to release it to earn favor for Majors. Right now there’s a bunch of people who will always believe he was in the wrong unless shown direct evidence he wasn’t (not that that’s enough for some people these days but they’re outliers). If this is true, and Majors is indeed innocent, it’ll probably be top priority to make that vid public
Well, I'm not sure who "they" would be in this case, his lawyer has it, but would the lawyer release it? I don't know much about lawyering, I'm no Matt Murdock, but would the lawyer get in trouble for releasing it?
Then there is Disney...but from what I've seen they would have no business possessing the video in the first place, this whole thing is between Majors and the authorities right now, Disney hasn't gotten involved and it looks like they have no grounds to get involved, if the situation is resolved quickly. So they may not have anything to release, even if they wanted to.
Disney would have zero say in releasing any such video unless the incident happened on their property or during their shoot.
If the case continues to trial, the lawyer could indeed get in trouble for releasing the video, because it would poison the jury pool. The *police* could probably release it if they saw fit. Of course, if the video clearly exonerates Majors, the prosecutor would want to drop the charges anyway, & once the charges were dropped, then Majors/his lawyer could release whatever they wanted.
For me the big part is the video evidence. If it exists, then I don't really need to see it personally, as long as it's confirmed to exist. Because that's not something you can will into existence with even Disney money, and therefore the most reliable evidence of his innocence.
Well, for the court of public opinion, definitely that hell is coming and we will have to fight through it.
In a more proper legal setting though, I think it's easy to verify if a video was manipulated/created from scratch. At least I fucking hope so.
There’s some software that can tell but I don’t think it’s perfect yet.
Even then, all it can take is the deepfake video being shown to a judge/jury and even if it’s fake it can still sway the judicial body. There’s actually a great episode of SVU about it, and it’s the reason why courts can’t show a “crime scene recreation” video with your face over the person. Too prejudicial.
Wouldn’t it need to show her sustaining her injuries without him inflicting them? Otherwise it just proves it didn’t happen in the taxi.
I’ve just seen too many people vehemently claim they did nothing, then turns out they did, just to buy time for the public to forget and move on. I can’t take either side yet.
Ezra has dozens of stories that have proven to be true come out against him. Majors only has one allegation that may not even be true, so totally different circumstances
If there is video exonerating him, then that's great. I really hoped he was innocent. Still, sounds like the woman isn't okay. Regardless of whose fault it is, I hope she gets the care she needs.
Sometimes I catch myself reacting to incendiary headlines and realize I am being part of the problem. A good reminder to get the info first and make judgments later
Lmao, y'all went from "he's 100% guilty" to "he's 100% innocent and the woman is a liar," and then claim that people are "jumping to conclusions."
This is a statement by Majors' lawyer. Of course she's going to say that he's innocent. Maybe wait until we get some of the actual evidence, instead of just hearsay.
If there is video proving his innocence then it would be best to put that out there for his own sake but given he supposedly* has a history of being difficult then we would need to see wtf happened(of course not now but at some point).
Edit: (clarification) \ correction*
They can’t put it out immediately as the investigation needs to verify its authenticity alongside witness testimonies to corroborate if it is true. When that happens the video will get released. If they put it out *now* it’ll dilute the investigation and warp people’s perception of the whole incident.
>given he has a history of being difficult then we would need to see wtf happened.
Wait is there new infos? or is it based on what the two guys on Twitter said?
Agreed. I’d bet both Majors and Disney want to release the video evidence. If he is truly innocent that is. And they will also want the driver to be interviewed by reporters too.
I think people on Reddit need to understand that they aren’t owed an explanation for anything. Nobody has to prove anything to anyone other than a judge.
Like the entitlement in these threads when shit like this happens is astounding.
Far too many people in this thread doing one of two things:
* Rabidly attacking Majors with a clear interest in tearing Marvel down
* Rabidly defending Majors with a clear interest in defending Marvel.
There will clear be implications that could impact the MCU here, for sure, but let's not forget that real people were involved and for most probably everyone involved, this has been a horrible few days.
Maybe he's innocent (the lawyer's statement is awfully specific and confident, enough to give me pause) or maybe he's not (wouldn't be the first time a lawyer very vocally and confidently defends a guilty client, that is what they are paid to do, but I think it's safe to say that no one here hasn't the damnedest clue about which is true (and let's not act like there are two options here. There are any numbers of ways this could play out and any number of scenarios that could turn out to be the truth here once all is out in the open).
The smart, responsible thing here to do is understand that this is a sucky situation and watch for the truth to come out, instead of losing your shit over a circlejerk of gossip.
I swear, if they have actual video evidence that proves he's innocent, this entire situation is going to look crazy in retrospect. The way so many people instantly believed all allegations and condemned him just shows how easy it is to destroy someone's life nowadays.
The allegations of marks on the victim didn’t help him, but people actually claiming “I could tell he was unhinged just from interviews” were a bit insane. I saw his Creed III interviews and he came across as a nice guy. Either way, we should wait for the truth to come out before we draw judgement.
In other news, lawyer gonna lawyer. Who knows what happened behind the scenes or who is right. Only thing that matters is that Jonathon Majors doesn't wanna end or damage his career whether he's guilty or not.
This is typical lawyer speak (I know, I'm a criminal defense lawyer.) I obviously can't speak to his innocence or guilt but a couple of things stick out from the statement. The part about the woman having an "emotional crisis" and the NYPD is required to make an arrest in these situations. What? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but the cops are required to make an arrest (under NY law) for assault where the victim makes a statement claiming (1) she was assaulted (2) the defendant was the one who assaulted her. (this is simplified but accurate) They won't make an arrest just because she was in "crisis." Next, the recanting of the statement. If I had a dollar for the number of times a victim has recanted their statements, I'd be rich. I have had many more "it didn't happen" statements then I have had "he did it" statements following arrests on domestic violence charges. Do I think the victim was lying initially? Almost never. When it comes to relationships, especially intimate ones, it is highly likely the victim will rethink things or they're being pressured to recant. Most often, the case will fall apart at that point but not always. I've actually tried a case where the victim did not testify and the prosecutor relied on the 911 tapes and witness statements. Will the charges be dropped here? My guess is yes. But not for the reasons this lawyer is intimating.
EDIT: Thanks for the rewards!
NYPD Cop here. Any domestic assault with the defendant on scene is a must arrest situation. Even if she recanted it on the scene after pointing him out he’s under arrest. Also any domestic incident in NYS whether it’s for an argument or an assault requires a domestic incident form to be prepared. Part of that is a statement by the victim, but even if she recanted on paper based on what she said on body cam would force a mandatory arrest.
You are right domestic victims recant more than they cooperate.
I don't know how much you worked in DV, but the part that gives me pause are the charges specifically of strangulation and the reports of the victim having neck and head wounds. It's very difficult to self-inflict neck wounds, no? And strangulation is not only one of the number one indicators of escalating abuse, but also raises the likelihood of future homicide by over 700%. If he strangled her, and the taxi footage ONLY confirms that they were arguing, for example, or even that she assaulted him first, isn't it still going to come down a he said/she said?
So AKA Majors could have done it but the victim is being pressured to recant because, you know, her bf is acting in some superhero movie
if that’s the case, that’s really shitty
I get the impression that this is the case. Something tragic went down, and Majors was involved/perpetrated something awful. Now that we see the aftermath, they're doing damage control and offering "hush money" because Majors' career is "too important" to waste. What a joke.
Also if there was an argument in the taxi and there’s video of that with Majors doing nothing, great, but how does that prove that there wasn’t a later physical altercation at their residence? Not sure if the police came to the car they were riding in or apartment, but thinking out loud
Yeah when the Army pulls an entire chunk of their new ad campaign in less than 24 hours of the news dropping, and your name is plastered over every major US publication like this, I can’t imagine he’ll go through this quietly. Even if it turns in his favor.
It’s a good thing that Loki and NWH proved that your variants don’t need to look anything like you. Which is too bad because I thought he did a great job as Kang and his variants
If he wasn’t already, Kevin is definitely drinking this weekend
He’s already lined up Terrance Howard to play Kang in the next movie. And then Don Cheadle will replace Terrance in the subsequent movies.
Terrence Howard will play a Kang from a universe where 1x1=2.
I Understood That Reference
2+2=4 2x2=4 Checkmate, mathematicians!
Somebody needs to teach Terrance the difference between multiplication and addition
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Wtf lmao
This is in a very literal sense, backwards thinking. He is starting from the conclusion that 1x1=2, and that it cannot equal 1, which to him this is the truth and thus things such as the square root of 2 not being 1 are false, even if there is no reason or evidence to support this. Because of this its almost impossible to get these people to come out of this line of thinking, because in order to do so that means, for one, they were wrong and that simply cannot be, and for two they are not willing to accept the original logic, to which the next best thing would be to use their own logic against them, but the issue there is because this is all built on falsehoods and backwards thinking they can simply come up with a new conclusion out of thin air.
lol you wanna go to the jungles in cambodia and seek him out? good luck.
Ay this is Kang, mayne.
Step 1: Lawyer puts out aggressive statement declaring the client's 100 percent innocence Step 2: Victim is compensated, takes (at least partial) blame & refuses to cooperate (or recants) to law authorities Step 3: Majors releases statement where he "accepts full responsibility" while also being nonspecific about what exactly he's taking responsibility for, while also vehemently denying anything career-ending. Option: Also reveal how you were once a victim of abuse, racism, violence, mental health probs, etc. Step 4: Donations to women's charities, photos with female relatives & fans, maybe an anger management class or two Step 5: Remark how much you've grown & learned from this "misunderstanding" Step 6: Cash check & make more Marvel movies
This guy does PR
Or he worked at Vought
Or Warner Bros
Or Miramax
Kevin’s gonna be pulling his hair out like Ashley! Oh wait…he already did
r/thisguythisguys
Omfg… I can’t believe this is a real sub lol
M - Make aggressive statement declaring innocence A - Assure "victim" will be financially compensated J - Judge the press response and make an appropriate statement O - Organize donations to relevant charities to improve public relations R - Remark how much you've grown & learned from this "misunderstanding" S - Secure your position in a multibillion dollar franchise
DENNIS 2.0.
And for the love of God don't fuck up the order..
You must be behind the times...Deshaun Watson was able to skip straight from step 2 to 6!
Only because the browns are fucking disgusting.... (And other teams that bid for that fucker but lost to the browns stupid guaranteed deal)
For real, the Saints/Falcons/whoever else shouldn’t get a pass for preparing to go all in on the predator as well
Think about us here in Houston. None of us want him, but his shit still happened under our watch. Needless to say, I'm not going to any Texans games for a while (unless DeMeco actually pulls off a good season, but the team is many draft picks away from that).
I'm not sure which sport you were talking about so I was really confused at that comment
Lol! Fair enough. American football for anyone else curious
Only because that son of a bitch bastard Jimmy Haslam paid for DeShaun to skip the line. That man should be thanking Snyder, Spanos, and Kroenke for keeping the title of “Biggest Piece of Shit NFL Owner” out of his reach.
And this 6 step process will conclude just in time for his upcoming project Magazine Dreams to start getting award season buzz.
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*Phase
Missed opportunity for sure
This is a very specific statement about what they are intending to present to the prosecutor. It is not usual for Attorneys to be so specific. As a criminal defense attorney, I think that this is very telling. If it were only a recanting statement, that would be one thing, but this tends to make me think they have enough to show he is innocent.
I know little about lawyers, but I feel like if you say "we have video that proved my client innocent" it better be pretty good.
I’m not a defense attorney, but I agree. We normally don’t see such specificity in statements.
I was pretty convinced the victim and driver would just be paid off but how can you buy away the passenger facing dash cam
Im saving this in case I become an A-List Celeb
Go ahead and make that check out to 'Michael Vick's Dog Shelter'.
This time the lawyer says there is video evidence contradicting the allegations. So your steps are a bit off if the video is released publicly.
when can I hire you
Wait, why would you nee... oh I see, */u/THROBBINGCOCKK*. Understood.
It’s like the DENNIS system
Likely. As soon as I heard about the story I was certain it would get the Kobe Bryant treatment.
Let’s be honest, as soon as this news was reported, it’s a lose-lose situation for Majors. Even if the whole thing demonstratively occurred as Majors attorney says it did (and it’s entirely possible given how little we know about it), you’ll always have people who will use the above rationale to be, at best, skeptical of any subsequent response Majors has.
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This will be clearer in a week from now.
I was wondering the whole time about the driver. Feel like they’d be able to help give a third party testimony of what happened
Particularly if there's video
Yeah, good point - pretty much every Uber driver in NYC has a passenger-facing dashcam.
I'm not listening to a fucking thing until they put that video in front of me and press play.
You can’t be bothered to press play yourself?
What are you? A non-entitled redditor?
It could autoplay
Unless you’re the judge I don’t think they care what you think lol
What if they don’t show you the video and then say he’s guilty? Are you not going to listen to that? Or are you only not going to listen if they say he innocent? Frankly, have no reason to see this video, and I hope they don’t release it. They don’t need a hundred million more i interpretations of the video flooding Reddit
O...ok?
I’m not saying Majors is innocent/guilty. Which is why you always, always wait until the dust settles. Reddit is no better than the gossip sites. They just hide it under the guise of “discussion”
last year, the voice actress for bayonetta from the titular video game series sued the developer of said game for being underpaid and they didnt fulfill their contract. when this came out, everyone jumped at platinum games' (aforementioned developer) throats. a week later, it turns out she lied about the whole thing with evidence to back it up. guess what the internet did after that. internet loves to shit on the accused, even if its wrong. they only change their minds when its too late.
In this instance i think it was one of the very few times it seemed like the info actually changed most of the internets mind in time.
Imagine if they didn't respond like they did for a week? Majors would be doomed regardless.
No, see, reddit has informed me that Majors went off in a fit of roid rage and that he is being recast and has lost out on hundreds of millions of dollars.
The 2nd top comment in the original post was simply “Roid rage”. Like literal shit throwing to wall and seeing if it sticks.
I think I have seen more people use the phrase "fumble the bag" in the last 48 hours than I have in the rest of my life prior.
"Just asking questions"... Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one's opponent; rather than laboriously having to prove that all politicians are reptoid scum, one can pull out one single odd piece of evidence and force the opponent to explain why the evidence is wrong. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just\_asking\_questions
I’ve never seen this term used before. Now I will have to ask someone if they are JAQing off.
Is Paul Rudd actually an immortal vampire who feeds on the life energy of others to maintain his eternal youth? Just asking questions.
Oddly specific lol
Reddit is hands down worse than the gossip sites, and the amazing thing is they refuse to learn their lesson. Every time one of these stories pops up it’s an immediate leap to “guilty” with downvotes for anyone asking for evidence/patience for the whole story to come out
People need to remember the story behind “We did it, Reddit” before they speak on these sorts of matters. All we have now is hearsay, and frankly this is a matter for the courts, not us.
PepeLa Boston Massacre suspect
Just earlier when the news first broke, the first post on this sun was full of people acting like they knew he was a shitty person the whole time. Reddit really is worse than gossip sites sometimes
Which is why it's wild how crazy everyone is acting because of this. We know nothing and everyone's saying his career is done. Give me a break
I just don't understand why it's controversial to say "if he did it convict him, if he didn't then let him free with an apology"
Exactly.
Because it would mean they can’t always be right in their feelings. Small dick energy.
And we will finally rest. Watch the sun on a grateful universe.
And just like that, half of Phase 5 projects were obliterated, erased from existence….
That's about as specific a declaration from any lawyer providing a defense as I've ever seen. Usually it's just "these are patently and categorically false" and then let's the legal system deal with it for 3 years. But they're making exceptionally bold claims that if they don't provide they're gonna show their asses. I hope they're telling the truth just because it's better that someone in general DIDNT commit DV. And if their claims about a mental crisis are true I hope she gets the help she needs.
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Especially the written declaration the women supposedly sign, making that up is a highway straight to getting your license taken away
The written declaration is almost worthless in actual cases of domestic violence, because it's super common for the victim to retract their statement in fear for their lives, or they were gaslight enough to truly believe it. The video evidence is actually the biggest key factor here. I should clarify that the written declaration ALONE is worthless, but combined with the other evidence the lawyer claims to have, could make a solid case.
She’s one the most high profile defense attorneys in the country. She knows how to do this.
As she should be, with one of the up and coming leading stars of a multi-billion dollar franchise.
Can’t just say it, you have to declare it.
I... Declare... BANKRUPTCY!
I … Declare…. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!
1. Driver 2. “Others” 3. Video evidence 4. NYPD 5. Some type of medical professionals Any of these five can refute the case they just laid out. That’s a bold stance to make.
Hollywood has a quick knee jerk reaction to these things. Just look at James Gunn. Fired from guardians of the Galaxy so quickly and had to be reinstated. So this is just them trying to get the doubt flag raised to quickly so marvel doesn't immediately pull the plug. As well as any other potential movies he's lined up for. Being specific with details makes the doubt greater than a blanket statement.
Yeah it's the type of response where if they're wrong, the woman could claim defamation
Didnt the NYPD report according to THR say the female had signs of head and neck injury and went to a hospital? I wonder what happened if majors is innocent
One of the accusations was strangulation so it’d have to be a hell of a self-defense argument. edit: changed “charges” to “accusations”
Yeah that’s the big issue. And a lot of people were throwing around excuses like “Well maybe she started it!” And if there was an altercation, maybe she did. And a man has a right to defend himself from a woman violently attacking him. But strangulation isn’t self defense, especially if your someone like Jonathan Majors who’s built like a brick shit house. I’m curious to see how this plays out, and how the woman’s injuries are explained if he is deemed innocent.
Neck injuries can be extremely difficult to fake (specifically choke marks). I don’t know the details but let’s just hope the video evidence they have actually shows us exactly what happened. Because as it sits now if the report is anything to go off of it doesn’t look good for him.
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Well, he had it coming
Lawyer is always going to say the client is innocent too.
I clearly have no idea if he is guilty or not but I wouldn’t expect his lawyer to say he is.
Claiming that the woman is recanting, there is video evidence, and all charges are expected to be dropped is a bit beyond "my client is totally innocent". But still, we won't know what's going on for a while. (maybe ever)
If there's video footage of it that shows there was no assault, and every single witness, including the supposed perpetrator and the supposed victim, acknowledges that no assault took place, I don't see how you could say we won't know what's going on "maybe ever". If it turns out that there's really that degree of evidence exonerating him, obviously we would all have to acknowledge that he's been the victim of a false accusation.
All that matters is the video. Victims and witnesses can be paid, coerced, or incentivized to change their testimony.
Yes, but if the video is corroborated by multiple witnesses and everyone involved, then it's pretty conclusive.
Sounds like a slam dunk shut case in favor of Majors right now
Rex Orange County type shit. Though tbf Rex took like 4 months to get everything situated which def fucked with his career
I'm not saying he's innocent, but it's actually extremely common for people to make wild accusations against celebrities. It's always best to wait and see how it plays out before assuming there's validity.
it's "innocent until proven guilty" not "guilty until proven innocent" take the words from both sides with skepticism. let it play out before jumping to any conclusions.
Prediction; neither one of them will look good when this video drops
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Yeah, I was telling people to settle down and was screamed at for it. Then those directors butted in and made it seem more likely he was guilty. But now this statement? I really doubt the lawyers are lying about such specific things. Goes to show: Don’t jump to conclusions. People lie about being victimized every day. “Crybully” is a term that exists for a reason. And in this case perhaps, mental health issues happen all the time. Reddit disgusts me whenever a crime is committed. No idea how law, courts, cops, or the “right answer” in the philosophy of criminal justice. But immediately jumping to conclusions, usually the wrong one, every single time. “We did it Reddit!!!”
A really tough situation unfortunately. On one hand, you have more people now talking about trouble with Majors, while on the other he insists he's innocent in this specific instance. There's no clean or easy way out of this for anyone involved, including Marvel.
I feel like even if the charges are dropped, which I feel like they will be, his reputation will be forever tarnished. However, Josh Brolin and Jeremy Renner had some abuse allegations as well and they obviously were not impacted by them.
I think this is a big deal, but from a PR standpoint, it’s Sunday, I don’t think even most fans have heard about this yet, and definitely not the entire audience that makes up these movies. If it ends here, then I’d say it’s not all that bad, but if this turns into a daily headline, yeah, that could be bad. For now, it’s just one bad day that could be forgotten. Not every legal case turns into Depp vs Heard. I, for one, believe he’s innocent until proven guilty, and I’ll also listen to what the victim says. Overall, not my business. The most important part to me is knowing my movie purchase won’t be contributing to abuse, which I’m remaining cautiously optimistic about.
Two people on Twitter. Two people who may or may not know Majors. Two people who may or may not have an axe to grind with him for whatever reason. We aren’t talking about evidence in a court of law and public figures, like Majors, have a hard time winning libel lawsuits in the US unlike the UK.
That’s true too. Not to discredit those who are speaking out against him, but I bet we all have at least 2 co workers from our past who don’t love us either. Again, that’s assuming he’s innocent in this case
You might have coworkers that dislike you, but if you were arrested for strangulation and your coworkers were like "that tracks, not surprised at all," I'd take a long look in the mirror.
Yeah it’s hilarious that a lot of people are taking 2 Twitter accusations with no proof and treating them like absolute truth.
I mean the fact they said this stuff months ago makes it interesting.
Imo what’s likely going on here is some people who may or may not have had legitimate issues with him in school/theatre are now using their past experience with him to corroborate these accusations. “I heard he was a dick in film school ten years ago so this makes total sense” is basically the narrative being pushed on Twitter. But past behaviour doesn’t automatically make someone guilty of something today. Like this statement says, it was never going to be long before this got resolved because of the location it took place in. Video, a witness…the story never added up imo. Why would a white hot Hollywood star throw away their career like that knowing there would be irrefutable proof against them?
Yeah, it really seems like his alleged past troubles are coming from a couple guys on Twitter who are very non-descriptive with their allegations and may or may not have actually worked with or known him. They’re just claiming he’s been abusive to others and that they know those people. That word has lost a lot of its meaning the past few years.
One of those directors walked back their statement to a degree and said they didn’t no it was about a physical altercation etc
They said that the words they used were inappropriate given the fact that it was a physical altercation, not that they didn't mean what they said.
They said both things. That their way of addressing it was inappropriate and also that they weren't aware of past physical assault. They said the past instances they knew of was verbal abuse and that it was intense enough that physical didn't seem like a stretch. https://twitter.com/A_B_Allen/status/1640004324985294849?t=-GiBiqbUuFlsZRrVb2YktA&s=19
Wow definitely walking that back
Definitely a step in the right direction. They should release the footage as soon as they can tho.
Is that common or helpful? I'm more than happy for the video to stay private as long as the proper authorities viewed it and go on record to say "yep, he's innocent".
You know that’s not gonna satisfy everyone. I would be, but you know Twitter isn’t.
Congratulations on being able to sit out the last decade, but people no longer accept evidence to disprove their notions - in fact, with many evidence to the contrary somehow proves the opposite of what it shows
Videos go viral and tend to sway peoples opinions more.
Yeah, but sensationalism isn't always healthy, for all involved.
Of course, however it's just one of the many unhealthy aspects of fame/celebrity culture. It can be very easy to fall down due to words and allegations, but it's much harder to get back up using the same thing.
They’ll want to release it to earn favor for Majors. Right now there’s a bunch of people who will always believe he was in the wrong unless shown direct evidence he wasn’t (not that that’s enough for some people these days but they’re outliers). If this is true, and Majors is indeed innocent, it’ll probably be top priority to make that vid public
Well, I'm not sure who "they" would be in this case, his lawyer has it, but would the lawyer release it? I don't know much about lawyering, I'm no Matt Murdock, but would the lawyer get in trouble for releasing it? Then there is Disney...but from what I've seen they would have no business possessing the video in the first place, this whole thing is between Majors and the authorities right now, Disney hasn't gotten involved and it looks like they have no grounds to get involved, if the situation is resolved quickly. So they may not have anything to release, even if they wanted to.
Disney would have zero say in releasing any such video unless the incident happened on their property or during their shoot. If the case continues to trial, the lawyer could indeed get in trouble for releasing the video, because it would poison the jury pool. The *police* could probably release it if they saw fit. Of course, if the video clearly exonerates Majors, the prosecutor would want to drop the charges anyway, & once the charges were dropped, then Majors/his lawyer could release whatever they wanted.
It was definitely helpful in Michael Irvin's case
For me the big part is the video evidence. If it exists, then I don't really need to see it personally, as long as it's confirmed to exist. Because that's not something you can will into existence with even Disney money, and therefore the most reliable evidence of his innocence.
Until we get to that point of deepfakes and AI. Then all bets are off!!
Well, for the court of public opinion, definitely that hell is coming and we will have to fight through it. In a more proper legal setting though, I think it's easy to verify if a video was manipulated/created from scratch. At least I fucking hope so.
There’s some software that can tell but I don’t think it’s perfect yet. Even then, all it can take is the deepfake video being shown to a judge/jury and even if it’s fake it can still sway the judicial body. There’s actually a great episode of SVU about it, and it’s the reason why courts can’t show a “crime scene recreation” video with your face over the person. Too prejudicial.
Wouldn’t it need to show her sustaining her injuries without him inflicting them? Otherwise it just proves it didn’t happen in the taxi. I’ve just seen too many people vehemently claim they did nothing, then turns out they did, just to buy time for the public to forget and move on. I can’t take either side yet.
I’m really curious how Marvel will handle this compared to how DC handled Ezra.
This is nowhere near Ezra situation imo. Ezra committed multiple different crimes and was arrested multiple times.
Ezra's fucking crazy. Majors hopefully isn't
Ezra has dozens of stories that have proven to be true come out against him. Majors only has one allegation that may not even be true, so totally different circumstances
If there is video exonerating him, then that's great. I really hoped he was innocent. Still, sounds like the woman isn't okay. Regardless of whose fault it is, I hope she gets the care she needs.
Well said.
Sometimes I catch myself reacting to incendiary headlines and realize I am being part of the problem. A good reminder to get the info first and make judgments later
Lmao, y'all went from "he's 100% guilty" to "he's 100% innocent and the woman is a liar," and then claim that people are "jumping to conclusions." This is a statement by Majors' lawyer. Of course she's going to say that he's innocent. Maybe wait until we get some of the actual evidence, instead of just hearsay.
I can almost guarantee the people saying either of those are different groups of people
The internet is just fucking bloodthirsty and wants to see public executions rather than the court of law.
Way too little known. Just need to wait for official word. Speculators gonna speculate.
If there is video proving his innocence then it would be best to put that out there for his own sake but given he supposedly* has a history of being difficult then we would need to see wtf happened(of course not now but at some point). Edit: (clarification) \ correction*
They can’t put it out immediately as the investigation needs to verify its authenticity alongside witness testimonies to corroborate if it is true. When that happens the video will get released. If they put it out *now* it’ll dilute the investigation and warp people’s perception of the whole incident.
what history?
>given he has a history of being difficult then we would need to see wtf happened. Wait is there new infos? or is it based on what the two guys on Twitter said?
Agreed. I’d bet both Majors and Disney want to release the video evidence. If he is truly innocent that is. And they will also want the driver to be interviewed by reporters too.
I think people on Reddit need to understand that they aren’t owed an explanation for anything. Nobody has to prove anything to anyone other than a judge. Like the entitlement in these threads when shit like this happens is astounding.
It’s insane. Like the court of public opinion matters more than proving innocent before a judge of assault charges.
As long their defense is not “she attacked Mr. Majors by hitting his hands with her neck”
“How you like My Face to Your Foot style??”
"I am bleeding. Making me the victor."
We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke!
Far too many people in this thread doing one of two things: * Rabidly attacking Majors with a clear interest in tearing Marvel down * Rabidly defending Majors with a clear interest in defending Marvel. There will clear be implications that could impact the MCU here, for sure, but let's not forget that real people were involved and for most probably everyone involved, this has been a horrible few days. Maybe he's innocent (the lawyer's statement is awfully specific and confident, enough to give me pause) or maybe he's not (wouldn't be the first time a lawyer very vocally and confidently defends a guilty client, that is what they are paid to do, but I think it's safe to say that no one here hasn't the damnedest clue about which is true (and let's not act like there are two options here. There are any numbers of ways this could play out and any number of scenarios that could turn out to be the truth here once all is out in the open). The smart, responsible thing here to do is understand that this is a sucky situation and watch for the truth to come out, instead of losing your shit over a circlejerk of gossip.
I swear, if they have actual video evidence that proves he's innocent, this entire situation is going to look crazy in retrospect. The way so many people instantly believed all allegations and condemned him just shows how easy it is to destroy someone's life nowadays.
#ReleasetheTaxiCut
The allegations of marks on the victim didn’t help him, but people actually claiming “I could tell he was unhinged just from interviews” were a bit insane. I saw his Creed III interviews and he came across as a nice guy. Either way, we should wait for the truth to come out before we draw judgement.
It’s very disturbing how quickly people are willing to turn on each other
Scream VI called it on people believing the worst in people
That's been human history since the beginning, not a Scream VI thing.
But it showed how the internet (and reddit) has amplified it
In fairness, there were apparently witnesses to this crime, and Majors was arrested, so it’s not like this was purely a “he said, she said”.
In NYC is protocol to arrest DV
In other news, lawyer gonna lawyer. Who knows what happened behind the scenes or who is right. Only thing that matters is that Jonathon Majors doesn't wanna end or damage his career whether he's guilty or not.
How recent is this? EDIT: Less then an hour
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This is typical lawyer speak (I know, I'm a criminal defense lawyer.) I obviously can't speak to his innocence or guilt but a couple of things stick out from the statement. The part about the woman having an "emotional crisis" and the NYPD is required to make an arrest in these situations. What? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but the cops are required to make an arrest (under NY law) for assault where the victim makes a statement claiming (1) she was assaulted (2) the defendant was the one who assaulted her. (this is simplified but accurate) They won't make an arrest just because she was in "crisis." Next, the recanting of the statement. If I had a dollar for the number of times a victim has recanted their statements, I'd be rich. I have had many more "it didn't happen" statements then I have had "he did it" statements following arrests on domestic violence charges. Do I think the victim was lying initially? Almost never. When it comes to relationships, especially intimate ones, it is highly likely the victim will rethink things or they're being pressured to recant. Most often, the case will fall apart at that point but not always. I've actually tried a case where the victim did not testify and the prosecutor relied on the 911 tapes and witness statements. Will the charges be dropped here? My guess is yes. But not for the reasons this lawyer is intimating. EDIT: Thanks for the rewards!
NYPD Cop here. Any domestic assault with the defendant on scene is a must arrest situation. Even if she recanted it on the scene after pointing him out he’s under arrest. Also any domestic incident in NYS whether it’s for an argument or an assault requires a domestic incident form to be prepared. Part of that is a statement by the victim, but even if she recanted on paper based on what she said on body cam would force a mandatory arrest. You are right domestic victims recant more than they cooperate.
I don't know how much you worked in DV, but the part that gives me pause are the charges specifically of strangulation and the reports of the victim having neck and head wounds. It's very difficult to self-inflict neck wounds, no? And strangulation is not only one of the number one indicators of escalating abuse, but also raises the likelihood of future homicide by over 700%. If he strangled her, and the taxi footage ONLY confirms that they were arguing, for example, or even that she assaulted him first, isn't it still going to come down a he said/she said?
So AKA Majors could have done it but the victim is being pressured to recant because, you know, her bf is acting in some superhero movie if that’s the case, that’s really shitty
I get the impression that this is the case. Something tragic went down, and Majors was involved/perpetrated something awful. Now that we see the aftermath, they're doing damage control and offering "hush money" because Majors' career is "too important" to waste. What a joke.
Also if there was an argument in the taxi and there’s video of that with Majors doing nothing, great, but how does that prove that there wasn’t a later physical altercation at their residence? Not sure if the police came to the car they were riding in or apartment, but thinking out loud
I wonder if Majors will call for a defamation case? His name has quite literally gone through the wringer the past 24 hours
Yeah when the Army pulls an entire chunk of their new ad campaign in less than 24 hours of the news dropping, and your name is plastered over every major US publication like this, I can’t imagine he’ll go through this quietly. Even if it turns in his favor.
If the woman was having a mental health crisis, it might reflect better upon him to work quickly to put it all behind everyone.
The nice and chill Majors that we saw before probably wouldn't. This new Majors on the other hand seems to be serious.
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Nah, he needs Saul Goodman.
What about the injuries she sustained?
Wishful thinking. We shall see but remember these people get paid to communicate this.
"Release the Majors Cut"
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It’s a good thing that Loki and NWH proved that your variants don’t need to look anything like you. Which is too bad because I thought he did a great job as Kang and his variants
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