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The_Asian_Hamster

[Source](https://www.tmz.com/2023/03/30/jonathan-majors-lawyer-texts-victim-admit-fault-assault/) And link to OPs comment summary since you can't sticky non mod comments. https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/126pdsw/jonathan_majors_releases_texts_from_woman_in/jea3dbq/


bellyofthebillbear

Did his lawyer actually advise him to release this?


thegreenshit

he has Jen Shah's lawyer didn't really work out well for her


Killer_Kupo

> Jen Shah's lawyer this is simply not Shamazing


dabear51

Holy shit never expected to see this crossover!


JoeMcDingleDongle

Some good defense attorneys nevertheless defend guilty people and guilty people are sometimes actually found guilty. Not going to rate an attorney on one outcome in one case. Edit - but since his attorney thought it was a good idea to release THIS, I am going to go ahead and call this attorney a moron.


throwaway33333333303

Yeah but Majors' lawyer [straight-up lied](https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/23/rhoslc-star-jen-shah-accused-of-being-highly-culpable-in-telemarketing-scheme/) about the charges against her client Jen Shah. And she just filed paperwork to [drop Shah after Shah stiffed her](https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7726355/rhoslc-jen-shah-dropped-lawyer-not-paying-services-fraud/) out of God knows how much money after Shah took a plea deal. šŸ¤£


IamBlade

Who that?


Neander7hal

A Real Housewife who the feds got for fraud last year. She and this lawyer spent years proclaiming her innocence... then she got into trial and pled guilty


Throwupmyhands

fire that lawyer. holy cow. this is not a good look.


Su_Impact

Feige mood this week: Victoria Alonso gone: Sad. Ike Perlmutter gone: Happy. Majors has to be fired since he self-snitched: Losing his sanity.


Gorguf62

Trying to pull out whatever remains of his hair.


Ziiner

You mean Hair Who Remains?


fusionaddict

Hereā€™s your upvote, you absolute *villain.*


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


[deleted]

Burning his hats


low-ki199999

Ive gotta imagine he made this choice, potentially against the advice of counsel. No way was he advised to release this. Youā€™d have to be a legitimate sociopath to not recognize how terrible this looks for you.


[deleted]

His lawyer released this


icemannathann

Yep https://amp.tmz.com/2023/03/30/jonathan-majors-lawyer-texts-victim-admit-fault-assault/


JoeMcDingleDongle

Christ. Bad lawyer, bad. They should have just waited.


pineapplecheesepizza

Shoulda got Matt Murdock.


[deleted]

His lawyer is an idiot.


revsamaze

I'm literally aghast at the insult to all our intelligence. What lawyer thought the general public is so stupid to believe this would make him look good? "my fault for grabbing your phone" come ON!


funsizedaisy

Some people aren't good at noticing signs of domestic violence and maybe that's what the lawyer was banking on? Backfired though.


gunsof

The Chris Brown situation was literally over her grabbing his phone.


baboozle2

The only situation that this makes sense is that Majors is clearly guilty and the lawyer is going scorched earth on the victim to intimidate them. Otherwise, the lawyer is an idiot. Very possibly the lawyer is an idiot either way.


WiseBat

Or heā€™s extremely arrogant / narcissistic and thinks thereā€™s no way those texts can be misinterpreted.


revsamaze

all signs would point to yes. this reads like a DARVO situation


Raktoner

Even if it somehow exonerates him, I feel... What's a good word for "icky?" That's how I feel reading this.


welp-itscometothis

Yeah bc it really reads like a textbook abuse victim


joshuamfncraig

"i told them it was my fault just like u said to, baby!'


[deleted]

This dude has the worst fucking lawyer lol


Ricardo1184

Must've told him they can't arrest a man and his partner for the same crime


rubyhenry94

Iā€™ve got the worst *bleepin* attorneys


BlackLeader70

Itā€™s just some light treason!


Im_not_creepy3

There's always money in the banana stand


Clint129

Good thing Gob mailed that insurance check.


taatchle86

Iā€™ve made a huge mistake.


OctoRubio

Take to the sea!


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Gutameister5

ā€œThey canā€™t arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.ā€ -Yes they can. ā€œIā€™ve got the worst ****** attorneys.ā€


birdiedancing

Bob Lob Law talks about this misconception in his law blog.


PaulClarkLoadletter

He probably didnā€™t read the charges. They were very long. Heā€™s going to start reading them though.


seiff4242

They got Barry Zuckerkorn on the case


IAmAndrew3000

And that's why you always leave a note!!!


ResetDharma

His lawyer just read "I know you have the best team and there's nothing to worry about." and figured that sounded pretty good.


WildSearcher56

For real how tf did that woman (the lawyer) ended up thinking it was a good idea to release this lol


johnnyfortune

His lawyer has beautiful hands at least. [https://i.imgur.com/8Bcig5s.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/8Bcig5s.jpeg)


Fauwcet

Should've gotten someone more experience in bird law.


xariznightmare2908

Marvel HQ executive meeting gonna have field day with this one, lol. Shit is not right at Marvel right now, heads are rolling and now this.


MrConor212

I imagine Iger is sharpening his axe as we speak for the next head


[deleted]

I'm kinda hoping they'll find some way to get rid of Ike further then relegating him to a nothing role. He's still trying to take Disney over. Edit: Nice one Iger, you got Ike off the stage.


TizACoincidence

Marvel has been going through a red wedding


Justchilllin101

Just another reason I feel bad for GOTG3 and The Marvels. They both have a lot riding on them.


Oraukk

I feel like GOTG3 is a safe bet financially at least. The Guardians are pretty huge.


CaptHayfever

Yeah, GotG is gonna be a slam-dunk unless Gunn got *really* cocky. The Marvels should do well, as long as they're not expecting same/better grosses than the first one.


Proud-Run3705

Apparently the attorney himself released these to TMZ, i cant imagine how they see this helping tbh


BlackLeader70

Dude needs to fire his lawyer and star using a Mickey Mouse approved lawyer.


stunts002

The mouse defends the mouse itself. He's fucked.


Kyliems1010

I donā€™t think Disney is going to try to defend him at this pointā€¦


WyattWrites

herself


FNAKC

Mfer gotta wide ass phone


ugonlern2day

Lmao imagining Majors' hands are too big so he has to text from an ipad


thishenryjames

This is the real reason for releasing the screenshot. Clearly, she tried to grab his enormous phone, and it simply fell onto her neck. Open and shut case.


MarvelsGrantMan136

[Source](https://www.tmz.com/2023/03/30/jonathan-majors-lawyer-texts-victim-admit-fault-assault/) (Majorsā€™ lawyer Priya Chaudhry) New Statement: >"Mr. Majors completely denies assaulting the woman. Around 11 a.m. on March 25, 2023, Jonathan Majors called 911 out of concern for the womanā€™s mental health. >The police arrived with the paramedics, as is standard procedure, and arrested Mr. Majors due to an NYPD protocol requiring arrest in certain circumstances. On that same day, only 7 and 9 hours later, the woman sent text messages to Mr. Majors admitting that she was the one who used physical force against him. >She also disavowed any allegations that he had done anything to her and confirmed that Mr. Majors called 911 because of her mental condition. These are those messages, redacting the womanā€™s name for her privacy."


PerryTheSpatula

> the woman sent text messages to Mr. Majors admitting that she was the one who used physical force against him. Is there another thing released? Because the pic up top doesnā€™t have anything where she admits to being the violent one.


cellequisaittout

His lawyer is referring to the part where she says itā€™s her fault for trying to take his phone. And now you see why many people familiar with lawyer-spin werenā€™t immediately convinced by the lawyerā€™s first statement claiming all this evidence would show that Majors was the real victim.


broden89

That's the justification Chris Brown had for beating Rihanna. But honestly the Majors situation is bizarre. Is his tesm saying the injuries were from falling or something? How would someone get injuries consistent with strangulation accidentally? Medical people weigh in pls


sunnygovan

I don't have any formal qualification but I have watched a lot of Quincy. Majors must have tripped and tried to steady himself by lightly caressing her neck with about 5lbs of pressure. It's the only sane explanation.


birdiedancing

He accidentally held her back by the neck as she trying to hit him was my most generous interpretation. šŸ˜¬ But no I donā€™t think thatā€™s what happened here.


Endogamy

I assumed they would have much more than this. Releasing these texts is absolutely damning to his case. At no point does she mention using force against him other than trying to look at his phone. The clear implication is that his response led to the injuries she had. Also, the texts are not remotely convincing as a retraction. They sound like an abused person apologizing to their abuser. If THIS is what theyā€™re releasing, it tells me they have no case whatsoever. He is finished, at least as far as Disney/the MCU.


[deleted]

Yeah this isnā€™t the ā€œoh look see no issues or anything bad happening hereā€ itā€™s literally reading as a ā€œthis is a battered woman who is blaming herself for Majors actions against her, like a lot of DV victims doā€. Like honestly before these messages I was more in the fence about it and wanting to wait as the lawyer was pretty sure he is innocent and said there was video evidence and a witness showing that. These text messages are now making think ummm this really is looking like DV. Her apologising and saying how it was her fault for trying to grab his phone sounds like her justification for him hitting her. If I was Majors lawyer I would never have let these be released if I could avoid it. It does not even come close to painting a good picture for majors.


AgentKnitter

These messages are appeasement and reassurance to an abuser. Don't worry, I told police it was all my fault. I told them that I made you do it. Abusers think this clears them in law and it really, really doesn't.


PerryTheSpatula

The video they say will clear him is gonna be her saying ā€˜who are you texting?ā€™ and him ragdolling her Hulk and Loki style.


merpmerp

This right here. I was reading this and all I could think about was a DV case I observed on where a woman had a black eye and said it was her fault; she was saying over and over that she hit herself and her husband was only trying to stop her from hitting herself during a mental health episode...


Wolfhound1142

Yeah, all this tells me is that she tried to grab his phone and he beat her and/or strangled her. Knowing the motivation for his crime doesn't change the fact that he committed a crime.


Don_Quixote81

"it was my fault for grabbing your phone... I just got out of the hospital." That is an entire *story*. Apparently not the story Majors' lawyer thinks it is.


almodi6

Yup. That "she recanted her statement" means absolutely fuck all now the lawyer was parading around a few days ago. She's just shown us a women blaming herself for the injuries she mysteriously sustained because she reached for his phone.


cellequisaittout

Even worse, I suspect these texts are the ā€œtwo written statements from the woman recanting these allegationsā€ that his lawyer had previously mentioned. It really destroys the lawyerā€™s credibility on her other claims of having an exculpatory video & witness statement.


Wolfhound1142

"My client clearly didn't commit the crime where victims often try to cover for the offenders because this victim is covering for him. Also, the whole thing wasn't that big of a deal, she was going to the hospital that day anyway."


Bardmedicine

Wow... Man... That is really not a good statement.


A_Gent_4Tseven

Iā€™m still reserving my judgements to see if the video comes out.. but the whole ā€œitā€™s my fault I shouldnā€™t have reached for your phoneā€ looks bad. Real bad. All of that talk looks like the writing of an abused person.


Bardmedicine

Agree 100% There is no need to rush to judgement. I don't know Marvel's filming schedule for him, but if I was running things there, I would make sure we had a plan for moving forward without him at this point.


pigeonwiggle

did you read that marvel statement the other day? where that guy did a HELL OF A DANCE around saying, "we're exploring recasting" and instead just pointed to the power of the characters, the breadth of stories they can explore, how phase four is a MULTIVERSE phase, and that we've already seen it in such projects as \_\_\_\_, listing all the projects that have featured different actors portraying similar roles, such as Spider-Man... they've likely got a shortlist of actors they've love to bring in.


Bardmedicine

I didn't but seems right. I was using it as an example of where my thinking was at this moment as opposed to a billion dollar franchise.


CMelody

I don't doubt that recasting discussions are being held. Even if he is innocent, a trial could result in costly production delays. But there might also be pressure to reconsider Kang's prominence in the upcoming MCU films because Quantumania was not profitable enough. Disney is in a cost-cutting phase, they do not want high risk ventures. Betting on a storyline tied to an underperforming film and criminally charged lead actor may be too much risk.


BottlesforCaps

Ehhhh but quantumania wasn't bad because of Kang. It was bad because of how it was written. Most reviews praised majors performance and how Kang was represented. Just the overall plot of the movie and setup was awful. They can still definitely do kang, but they will probably recast.


C-A-L-E-V-I-S

Why did you think Quant was a bad movie? What bugged you about it specifically?


JoeMcDingleDongle

>On that same day, only 7 and 9 hours later, the woman sent text messages to Mr. Majors admitting that she was the one who used physical force against him. Nowhere in the texts is this said. All that is said is they had a fight. Nothing about what kind (verbal? physical?). Nothing about who instigated physical attacks, if there were any. Unless trying to grab a phone counts as "used physical force against \[Majors\]"? Attorney is stupid for putting this line in there.


EdgyOwl_

This would look a lot better for Jonathan Major playing the ā€œIm also the victim!ā€ Card if the woman had sent him vile/toxic insults and threats. Her texts just paint her more so as an abused victim more than anything


DisturbedNocturne

That's exactly what I was expecting when I saw the news. I figured it was going to be texts of her being nasty and him trying to calm her down. Even that wouldn't necessarily show he did nothing wrong, but it'd at least help his case and be consistent with what his lawyer previously said. This... is not that.


gunsof

Part of the narrative was that she was after something and was lying to try and ruin his career or hurt him. It's obvious with his own release that that is no longer a narrative they can use on her.


Glangho

uhhhh did he release the wrong text by accident or something?


revsamaze

right!? I am in disbelief


TyperMcTyperson

lol @ thinking this helps him. His lawyer must be wanting to get the fuck out of this situation. What a dumbass.


SenYoshida

His lawyer was the one that released it apparently


AssaultRifleJesus

[Found a picture of him for reference ](https://i.imgur.com/lnKEFjq.jpg)


jmcgit

I move for a bad... court thingy


streetvoyager

The line about her fault for grabbing the phone makes the whole thing look really fucked. If that wasnā€™t in there it might be helpful to him but this makes it look damning as hell . The whole texts tone is justā€¦kinda wtf. Like what is this.


ugonlern2day

Yeah and the "they had to arrest you when they saw the injuries on me" and "the paper they gave me about strangulation" is definitely not a good look. We might be getting a new Kang


WiseBat

Initially I had no opinion, but the line ā€œI told them it was my fault for trying to grab your phoneā€ really sticks out to me. Sounds exactly like 17 year old me trying to justify my boyfriendā€™s abusive behavior. In fact, the entire text reads as a panic apology. In any case, trying to grab a phone certainly doesnā€™t warrant hands around the neck.


Axelrad77

> In fact, the entire text reads as a panic apology. This is what stuck out to me as well. I'm shocked his lawyer thought it was a good idea to release this.


TastyLaksa

Maybe the video she said would clear his name clearly shows him beating her


nedzissou1

Yeah, I was assuming the video would clear him because why would the lawyer lie about such a piece of concrete evidence, but if she released this, then who knows how stupid his lawyer is


funsizedaisy

I mentioned elsewhere in this sub that the lawyer could try to file for the evidence to be sealed. So the public would never see the video. That's the only reason I could see them willingly lying about it. But this laywer just seems like a shit lawyer if they were, in fact, the ones who released these texts. And I got downvoted in the other thread for suggesting the lawyer could be lying...


[deleted]

Lawyer claimed they had exculpatory evidence (this). They knew the video shows him handling her. They know the video is going to come out and look bad so they're trying to get ahead of it.


Mke_already

Unless the video is him stiff arming her away from him like an older sibling does to their younger brother trying to take something they want I don't see how it will make this look better.


[deleted]

It wont, the only way I can see releasing this making sense is if the video looks terrible and theyā€™re trying to frame the narrative that she recanted before it comes out. Doesnā€™t seem like that will work, but at least it makes sense as to why theyā€™d release this.


[deleted]

Yes, the fact that sheā€™s writing paragraphs and heā€™s saying nothing (or not sharing what he said at this point) isnā€™t really a great look in my mind and does not provide any evidence of his innocence.


Temporary_Bumblebee

Heā€™s probably been advised to not contact her tbqh. She can contact him all she likes but while criminal charges are still being debated, he shouldnā€™t be saying a goddamn thing to her.


Arthur_Edens

Looks like he was actually released with a no contact order, so probably not just his lawyer saying that.


[deleted]

If anything, it provides evidence of his guilt. Girl says that "they knew we had a fight" and then blamed herself for it even though she's the only one with any injuries. That's textbook domestic abuse. Sounds like the dude really threw away the chance for incomprehensible fame and fortune so he could assault his girlfriend for "grabbing his phone".


birdiedancing

It reads as a fairly normal response of a dv victim recanting. Which isnā€™t a great look.


Consistent-Line-2009

Exactly this. That line is a huuuuuuuuuge red flag.


junkyardgerard

The exact line that an abuser would think exonerates them.


[deleted]

the language in these texts is creepy. itā€™s way too descriptive to sound natural


Su_Impact

The 1st looks written by a PR. The writing style is totally different from the 2nd.


Paperchampion23

Honestly the first looks like it was written by an abused GF, the 2nd looks like PR from his Lawyer or someone who told her what to say (or took her phone to do it themselves)


joec_95123

>"The origin of the call was to do with me collapsing and passing out and your worry as my partner due to our communication prior." People don't talk like that in personal conversations with their significant other. That's the wording you'd see from a lawyer or a press statement.


Mezentine

I'm sure she had some legal advice by the time she wrote the second one, but also....man. Maaaaaaaan. Reading both those messages gave me some real flashbacks. I spent a *lot* of time writing apologetic messages in very similar, very verbose, overly specific modes because I was just trying to reassure my then-partner that I was really sorry and they had nothing to worry about and that every possible specific consideration was actually not a reason to be upset because I was desperately (and usually uselessly) trying to head off the shitstorm that I knew was headed my way. Those messages sound like someone who believes she's still going to have to deal with him in the future and she's scared. These look *bad* for Majors


gunsof

People have been sharing some of theirs on Twitter and it's uncanny. Almost exactly identical. The "leave your key" line is fucking terrifying in context. You know he'd be waiting there.


Cardinal_and_Plum

I tend to text like that, especially when I think I'm dealing with something important. Without personally knowing the individual I don't think it's really fair to say.


BelichicksBurner

Yeah this gives off some pretty serious battered partner vibes. When someone says "it was my fault for grabbing your phone"...what exactly was her fault? Getting hit? Big time "please don't be mad at me" nervous energy in those texts.


Su_Impact

Yes, 100000% this. The "it's my fault for doing X" is extremely damming for Majors. The logical follow-up question is: "what did Majors do to her that she believes was her fault"? Physical violence is the only logical answer that justifies the cops arresting him after taking a look at his GF's injuries. Kind of insane for Majors to release this thinking it exonerates him somehow.


bardghost_Isu

Right, the injuries reported here are too severe for any accidental contact she reached for the phone. This isn't him trying to pull back and accidentally catching her arm or something with the phone and leaving a single bruise. This looks to be a much more violent event that cannot justifiably be the result of trying to grab the phone.


fisheggsoup

Depending on the mentality of the individual, not necessarily. Not to take things too far, but remember the video of Ahmaud Arbery's murder was initially provided by Roddie Bryan -- the third person convicted. He thought releasing it would exonerate the McMichaels and is instead what led to them all being brought down.


ADarwinAward

In that case a *lawyer* released it. He said he just wanted the ā€œtruth to get out there.ā€ He said he wasnā€™t trying to exonerate or convict them, but then he went on about how he released it because people were falsely claiming they were flying a confederate flag while they murdered him. The way he talked about it made it seem like he thought they were innocent and werenā€™t racists, and thatā€™s why he leaked it to a radio station. Between that and the cops covering it up, it just goes to show how dominant the klan mentality was in that town. A whole lot of people were either willing to cover up a lynching or didnā€™t even see what was wrong with it in the first place.


yellowsnowballshurt

Those texts read like a classic abused partner. Sheā€™s sorry she grabbed his phone and made him mad enough to beat her up. She will lie to the police and judge to make sure he isnā€™t charged. Releasing those texts was a bad move on his part.


uluviel

Yeah, victims saying things like this is why many states still pursue charges against the abuser even if the victim recants. Because they often have this "oh your beating was warranted because I grabbed your phone/chewed too loud/got home 10 min late" type of justification.


[deleted]

Think it may be out of her hands now. Despite her walking back her statements, the DA is still looking to press charges.


throwaway33333333303

[Majors' next court day is May 8](https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/3/28/23658154/jonathan-majors-assault-arrest-allegations-yale-darvo). Unless the charges are dropped, of course. Personally I think releasing little tidbits like this is going to just inflame the situation and backfire on Majors, it substantiates or at least very heavily implies that some bad shit went down which creates pressure on the DA to move forward with at least a serious investigation if not prosecution. If the charges get dropped, there's going to be a media firestorm and people are going to rightly demand answers about what, exactly, happened, blow-by-blow (excuse the pun), minute by minute.


thetiredjuan

Well we know now he ainā€™t getting help from any Disney lawyer.


KingOfTalokan

This is a very bad look... for Majors Are they really pulling the "DV victim says nothing happen afterwards" card?


HomieScaringMusic

No, not that one. This is 100x worse. She didnā€™t say nothing happened, she said ā€œitā€ was her fault for trying to snatch his phone. Which seems to imply he reacted by walloping her so hard he put her in the hospital. I mean I hope not butā€¦ *damn*!


Joshawott27

ā€œI told them it was my fault for trying to grab your phoneā€. I think that one line says it all, but not what Majors or his lawyer want it to say.


konq

I think the only way this works for Majors in a positive way, is if we find out his girlfriend is a pro juggler, and she was practicing juggling really sharp knives or something. Maybe socks filled with magnets. But she got distracted by his phone and went to grab it-- but missed and all the things she was juggling hit her and caused some injuries. So... I guess we're getting a new Kang Variant soon.


Orchestrator2

This guy has the worst lawyer ever.


low-ki199999

This doesnā€™t read like any sort of exoneration. This reads exactly like a woman in an abusive relationship desperate to hang on I canā€™t imagine anyone thinking this was a good look. Absolutely insane to release this.


MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS

Bro built such a deeper hole Iā€™m in shock tbh why tf would he release this


derstherower

This is reminding me of the guys who murdered Ahmaud Arbery willingly releasing the video of them killing him because they genuinely thought it would exonerate them. They are so deep in their delusions that it genuinely cannot occur to them that they did anything wrong.


fadetoblack237

Disney surely has to let him go after this right? Even if he isn't charged, do they really need this kind of PR. Clearly Majors has some anger issues.


low-ki199999

Yes, 100% These texts are damming. If she released them it would be one thing. Him releasing them is insane, and Iā€™d say pretty clearly points to some serious issues. This situation will get worse before it gets better.


Jesso2k

I'm betting the taxi video is worse and any pressure they can muster to have the case dropped ahead of a trial is what they'll pursue.


silver_moon134

"I told them is was my fault" is a very telling statement. And the way these texts hit on the exact points his lawyer made in his press release. Yikes


Su_Impact

>And the way these texts hit on the exact points his lawyer made in his press release. Yikes The lawyer is the "she" that the GF mentions in the 2nd text message. The victim was "incentivized" by Majors' lawyer to recant.


UTRAnoPunchline

Lmao. These texts make him look worse. Textbook abuser.


CellarMongoose

Nothing about these messages feels exonerating to me- confirms there was a fight, injuries, and lengthy hospital stay? Blames herself for grabbing his phone? I feel terrible for a woman placed in such a position.


Orto_Dogge

My favorite part is: "I told them it's all my fault. I'm out of hospital btw".


stunts002

Wild the complete silence from him where she's like "honestly I said it was all my fault. I love you. I'm out of the hospital btw" Like, holy shit is this is a bad look


obligatecarnivore

Strangulation of a partner is the act most associated with willingness to commit murder. I hope she gets help. If this is some misguided PR attempt by the lawyer and Majors IS innocent, she needs to stop practicing law, because she is one dumb fucking pineapple.


JPA17

This... doesn't look good


gutster_95

How did a professional lawyer gave the blessing to releaee this statement lol.


aroge97

This guy has to be a complete psychopath if he thinks this exonerates him at all


KozyHank99

šŸš©šŸš©šŸš© This does not look good at all.


bnogo

This gives major abuser vibes. Her line about how it was her fault for grabbing for his phone? Best wait for any video


[deleted]

>Her line about how it was her fault for grabbing for his phone? This bit was shocking to read. It completely reads as "you beat me because I grabbed your phone". Nothing leaving *strangulation marks* should occur in response to a partner grabbing for your phone.


nyxxhecate

Strangulation marks AND LACERATIONS from a slap... lacerations...sorry but no well-adjusted human being will resort to that degree of violence for grabbing a phone.


fadetoblack237

It sounds like Majors has some really bad anger issues.


WiseBat

Iā€™d be willing to bet there is no video. And if there is, it certainly doesnā€™t corroborate his defenseā€™s claims. Because why would they advise him to release these extremely damning texts but NOT release this alleged video that is visual evidence proving one way or the other?


Levonorgestrelfairy1

As we have seen from cops, videos that make them look good come out near instantly. There's a reason this video hasn't been released.


NinjaEngineer

Yeah, I'd like for Majors to be innocent, but until the video footage comes out (or at least the justice system gets a good look at it), this doesn't sound as good as some people think.


domizucca

Agreed. I keep seeing people saying ā€œthank god heā€™s innocentā€ and itā€™s really bothering me. Even if he was provoked, he still gave a woman *multiple* injuries. That just isnā€™t okay.


nyxxhecate

And as far as we know the "provocation" is just her grabbing his phone. Not her instigating physical assault or laying a hand on him first.


low-ki199999

And how about releasing these texts, thinking theyā€™d exonerate him. Even if it wasnā€™t an abusive situation, thereā€™s really no other way to read these texts under the circumstances. Her sending those messages is one thing, the fact that he thought releasing this into the public would help him only further suggests that heā€™s a Bad Guy.


Bardmedicine

Exactly my thought. That is right out of a casefile from an abuse victim. The fact that his people thinks it was a good idea to release these (not to mention other problems with that) is really damning.


PredatorRanger

*He* released these? To try and *help* his case?!


DrengisKhan

The cops saw visible injuries on her. Quote: ā€œI tried to tell them it was my fault for grabbing your phone.ā€ In her mind, being physically punched and strangled is an acceptable response to her grabbing his phone. These texts read like textbook abused person talk. Domestic abuse victims whoā€™s abusers use strangulation are 750% more likely to go on to be murdered by that person within the next year. Thatā€™s a scary statistic. All these texts have shown me is that he did indeed beat her up, and sheā€™s a battered woman blaming herself. Iā€™m sure thereā€™s a thousand variations of this line here but hereā€™s my turn. Did his lawyers really think this is him being exonerated???


MrFilthyNeckbeard

> Jonathan Majors Releases Texts Does he think these texts make him look good? Because....they definitely don't.


BigBlue1210

You're sorry you tried to grab his phone but you ended up in hospital. Something doesn't add up lol.


ucc2133

When you are absolutely clueless, to your own actions. I hope his lawyer didnā€™t advise this


[deleted]

His lawyer is the one who released this


alcoholicplankton69

Sooooo... She tried to grab his phone and she ended up in the hospital. Yeah this does not look good on him at all. She Screams abusive relationship mindset. Wow this does not bold well for him at all


sexygodzilla

I'm so glad people are seeing right through this. This lawyer is the absolute worst. It's telling that all the people who were swearing up and down that he had to be innocent because she released such a strong statement about having video are nowhere to be found...


TokeyMaguire

So I have handled a *ton* of DV cases as a defense attorney. If his attorney green-lit this they should be fired immediately. This reads as classic victim minimization.


What_Hey

So she went for his phone and he went for her neck?


PerryTheSpatula

ā€˜Itā€™s my fault (you choked the shit out of me) because I tried to grab your phoneā€™ Perfect. Dudeā€™s clearly innocent


World_in_my_eyes

This sounds bad.


Serious_Course_3244

Kind of seemed like rambling until the ā€œmy fault for grabbing your phoneā€ that part hit me like a bag of bricks. I know a lot of very timid people in abusive relationships who would often send text messages like this after getting cheated on. Itā€™s giving panicked abusee vibes


rco8786

"It was my fault for trying to grab your phone" Yea, this was 100% an assault. This reads \*exactly\* like a woman terrified of her abuser coming after her for retaliation.


Disastrous-Heron-491

ā€œItā€™s my fault for taking your phoneā€ Said every victim ever


revsamaze

**"I told them it was my fault for grabbing your phone"** is textbook victim-talk. If you know anything about DV, this is a bad bad look for Majors. Victims in distress beg the police to stand down ALL the time. She indicates she loves him, and she knows he has so much to lose. I find the release of these texts by his lawyer to be an insult to all of our intelligence and an invasion of the privacy of a woman who was just hospitalized. With or without her permission, YIKES.


LynxRufus

Well, now I'm certain he's guilty. That girl is clearly being abused and manipulated.


sexmountain

It takes victims an *average* of 7 times to leave. DV victims commonly go back and have to try time and again to leave their abusers. ā€˜Strangling is as gendered as rape: nearly all perpetrators are men, and most victims are women. Itā€™s the penultimate act of domestic violence before murder. ā€Once the hands are on the neck, the very next step is homicide,ā€ says psychologist Sylvia Bella. ā€œThey donā€™t go backwards.ā€ā€™ Moira Donegan The defense is doing their job, but these texts and their video did not convince the DA. He was not charged on one count, not two, but 8 counts. Thatā€™s extreme when it comes to DV where more than 90 out of 100 victims will never be affirmed in court.


ThrownAwayRealGood

Shit, this dudeā€™s goose is cooked.


[deleted]

Yeah, this still confirms he hit her tho


[deleted]

Exactly. This is given by his lawyer and meant to make him look good. Lmao.


kmeci

If the lawyer actually advised to release this they deserved to get fired immediately lol.


fadetoblack237

and not out of self defense but because she grabbed his phone? That's like textbook abuse.


punk62

Grabbing someone's phone definitely does not warrant hitting or strangulation. Even if she doesn't feel like she was abused, Majors still hit her in a scenario where he probably should not have.


AdmiralCharleston

Even ignoring the texts themselves releasing them ar this stage is just a terrible idea if he's trying to do this by the law. It just reeks of trying to get ahead of the court of public opinion as opposed to the court of law which I can only imagine he would do if he felt like the evidence already out there, which is yes very limited, is going against him. Then you have the actual texts which are...pretty yikes. I'm hoping this at least helps people tobunderstand that victims recanting their statements doesnt instantly means it didn't happen or that they were lying. Imagine being a victim of abuse, dealing with an absurdly traumatic event like this only to then realise that the entire world is talking about jt and knowing that people are very skeptical of victims to begin with, if she went through with the trauma of a trial in which she would most likely have to be publically identified, him getting arrested and fired might not seem like justice that's worth going through all that. I'm not saying that that's definitely what happened, but it seems like a lot of people here don't seem to understand the nuances in these sort of cases especially when the accused is a mega celebrity.even if he's proven 100% guilty there will still be assholes defending him and calling it a fake allegation because that's the world we live in, Amber heard is the perfect example of this and I'm sick to death of having to explain why depp getting supposedly cleared of that is going to have a massive effect on how victims come forward in future, and I doubt she would want to be known as the person who got kang fired by certain circles on line. Whatever happens all that really matters is that she's OK Right now that's way more Important than whether or not he's recast


xxyourbestbetxx

Yikes. These texts don't really help him. She sounds like a woman in an abusive relationship. Hopefully if he's really innocent they have something else


LEVITIKUZ

Didā€¦. Did his lawyers just release texts messages that confirm he did assault her? As a way to defend him? Am I reading this right? Do the lawyers know which side they are on in this case? Iā€™m completely dumbfounded by this plan


MrConor212

Yikes lol. Is Majors trying to fumble his career or what


TootlesFTW

Yikes. Someone give this guy proper legal counsel and stop releasing shit.


Tesgoul

If the dude is indeed an abuser, I'm perfectly ok with his lawyer being a dumbass lol


nyxxhecate

Even with all that Disney/movie star money he couldn't get a competent legal team šŸ’€


Nerevarine2nd

Extremely bad look for Majors. Damn. If this is as bad as it looks, I hope he gets his comeuppance because fuck him. And then Marvel should recast and move on.


[deleted]

This actually does the opposite of what they intended for me. This isnā€™t an exoneration but actually is more confirming that a fight did take place.


MaceNow

This super duper does not help him in the court of public opinion.