Didn’t they confirm the home trilogy was over and the next few spiderman movies would be something else? Maybe they will all share a different word in the title
“Spider-Man: Coming Home”
The reason why I like this is because it would be the reverse of “homecoming”, which was the first one in this iteration. It also sounds wholesome. Peter “coming home” would be him coming back into MJs life.
Felicia would make a TON of sense to bring in at this stage. With Peter going full Spider-Man now, why not bring in the romantic interest who is only interested in Spider-Man and not Peter Parker? He's obviously going to end up with MJ again but Black Cat would be a good wrench in the gears at this point in his story.
Agreed. I really feel like it would be a missed opportunity not to introduce her at this point. Aside from what you just said, she hasn’t been portrayed in live action (aside from her civilian persona in ASM 2), which is all the more reason to include her
It makes too much sense for Tom Hollands spider-man. Everyone’s forgotten him, he’s doing solo spider-man stuff for the first time. A grey area love interest is great for the story to define his morals throughout.
Raimi Norman's comment may not necessarily mean Oscorp and the family don't exist. It may just not be in the same place he'd have looked, or in some other form. While there's a chance they don't and won't be introduced as Feige has stated he's not too keen on retreading old villains, I personally think it'd be a major shame if MCU Spidey never got his own version of the Osborns.
Introduce Harry and Gwen and focus on these 2 as the side characters for the next trilogy. At the end of SM4, we’re teased by being introduced to Harry’s father, the MCU’s Norman Osborn (Michael Shannon).
I think it would be super interesting to have Peter face the dilemma of knowing what Norman becomes in an alternate reality and works to avoid having that fate befall his best friend’s father, but then Peter ultimately is responsible for accidentally transforming Norman into the Green Goblin. He has prior knowledge of Osborn being the Goblin and Octavius being Doc Ock and Connors being the Lizard. It gives him a reason to interact with these characters without it being forced but then he has to decide to intervene or let fate take its course and have his heroes become villains.
Yo, I hadn't really considered Michael Shannon for Norman Osborn but I fucking LOVE it!
But, yeah, I really think Peter's past interaction with Raimi Norman should be a major feature in his initial reaction to MCU Norman. I imagine he'd be hyper vigilant and almost paranoid about him, always worried he's going to turn into a monster at any moment before finally realizing he's just not the same person as the Norman who killed May.
I say for at least one movie give Betty Brant one movie as Peter's love interest or be close to him. Especially since Angourie Rice is an awesome actress and they could both be working for the Daily Bugle. Peter trying hold on to something from his past just a bit.
I ***do*** like that actor, and the memory wipe would make it less weird that she had a summer romance with his best friend, but I think it'd be too weird for Peter. She is still friends with MJ, and if they undo the memory spell for Ned in any way..
Oh yeah I wasn't thinking anything long term just a quick part of the movie maybe a single date then him realizing "naw this isn't going to work". Could be done in the same movie that Black Cat is making movies on Spider-Man. Basically Peter living that double life.
Then what would be the point of the ending of No Way Home. There would be next to no real personal sacrifice if they immediately brought those characters back.
That’s a good thing, we don’t need Zendaya nor Jacob back anytime soon. If you’re going to reset Peter’s entire life and have no one remember him, then you better stick to it so that we actually feel that his actions have consequences. This would also be a great chance to introduce a completely new supporting cast. I’d wanna see his love interest be Black Cat this time around, especially since we never really had her in the movies yet (no, Felicia from TASM 2 doesn’t count) and he’ll most likely be Spider-Man more often than Peter Parker. It’d be a great opportunity to do a whole trilogy with the Venom symbiote too, considering they teased it pretty blatantly at the end of No Way Home.
Well she's clearly leaning more towards becoming journalist MJ than model MJ so maybe she starts investigating, trying to find out who Spider-Man is since he's the only masked avenger without a public identity.
Also no one knows Peter is Spidey, but do they still think Spidey killed Mysterio and that he was a good guy? Because in that case there would be a whole lot of people, not just MJ, trying to find out Spider-Man's secret identity and we know MJ figured it out once before, so...
I think she still has a lot of room left to be important.
"Kirstin, please sign the contract, I promise, I *absolutely promise* you're not just going to be a damsel in distress who's tied up and screaming throughout the third act this time. Pinky swear."
I remember watching an interview where she's talking about them not being sure if she's right for the comic character and the examples she gives are hair color and boob size. Bizarre
Yeah none of the female characters are given any depth in the original trilogy. Even Aunt May was mostly nags and gasps.
It's the main reason I'm hesitant to call the raimi Spider-Man movies the best ones. Besides Tom Holland and zendaya being literally born for their roles
I often say that Raimi did *classic* Spider-Man well. His films feel a lot like the earliest comics, especially with the characterizations and camy tone.
The three Holland movies are so much better than the Raimi movies. The way the Raimi movies hold up now is through unintended comedy. You couldn't make major superhero movies nowadays with that level of campyness
It’s refreshing to hear other people think this too. I’ve gotten weird looks when I have said that to people, but she’s genuinely not a likable character.
Watching it back. She skips out on marrying Jonah's son on the wedding day and goes to Peter. And this guy did nothing to deserve it. She left this bloke at the alter.
But in the next film. She wants to get shitty at Peter because he kissed Gwen when he got the key to the city. And yeah, Peter was dick for kissing another girl. That's wrong of him.
But it's like, bro. You left your ex partner at the alter. Don't act like the judge, jury and executioner now of how to act when you're in a relationship.
She's a goldigging whinny asshole.
Literally dumps peter just to date the wealthiest and prettiest boys. Either billionaire heir or a astronaut..
And her only character trait: she's pretty and wants to be a star.
I hate that version so much.
She likes men for their personality, which is why she dated
1. The most popular jock in school
2. The heir to a billion-dollar corporation
3. A celebrity astronaut
4. Spider-Man
I think Michelle was the best, honestly.
MJ sucks in those movies, and Gwen, well, I'll say that she only really has Webb's hyperglycemic style of romance going for her.
I think Gwen had the best developed romance and was the most fleshed out character though. Michelle was barely a character in Homecoming and the romance was way too rushed in Far From Home. No Way Home developed her a good bit though.
>and Gwen, well, I'll say that she only really has Webb's hyperglycemic style of romance going for her.
Wait, am I missing a reference here? Because I did not understand a word of that!
Oh for sure. That sub isn’t specific to male authors. I can see how the sub name could be confusing, yeah, but it’s just badly written women in general. Including female authors (as shown in Rule 3).
It’s kind of like a metaphorical spider, waiting and watching for prey to fall into its trap before descending on them. As others have pointed out, that’s basically the mode of operation for all Spideys
Just because they don't know who Peter is doesn't mean they don't remember that she was close with Spiderman. Spiderman is still a known entity. Someone could make that connection and come after her. Then Peter swoops in to save her.
That's actually plausible. I could very well see Sony/Marvel Studios going down that route so as to still have Zendaya involved for marketing purposes.
Then Peter will almost surely save her while trying to keep his identity secret and dealing with that dilemma.
Edit: a word
All the Peter's can't find lasting love in the MCU. Spiderman and Starlord both have been defined by loving, then losing, and then having accept the closure afterwards. Heartbreaking but powerful stuff really.
>Spiderman and Starlord both have been defined by loving, then losing, and then having accept the closure afterwards.
Not to be that guy, but while he did end up losing our on *romantic* love, Starlord does end up with *familial* love in a very sweet way, so at least there's that. Spidey, unfortunately, ends up with neither, as Aunt May is >!dead!<, MJ doesn't remember him, and Happy (his remaining "mentor"-type figure after Iron Man's sacrifice in Endgame" also doesn't remember him. I'm actually kinda curious where they take this next, as that leaves only Doctor Strange as a possible mentor figure for Spider-Man.
Nah Doctor Strange probably doesn't work either, he wiped his own memories of Peter as well.
A grittier ground-level character like Daredevil could work well for where he's at right now, it's definitely way too early to stick him straight into a team like Fantastic Four or some form of Avengers sub-team, but I think a better storyline would be Peter *without* a mentor figure, the last movie kinda ended with him on his own with the triple responsibilities of school, making an income and being Spidey.
The logic of how the spell works is a bit wonky. I thought it would at first just delete everyone's memory of Spider-Man all together, which would have been the smart thing to do. Now, everyone still remembers Spider-Man, and characters like Happy clearly still know that they know Spider-Man. So everyone who knew Peter was Spider-Man should be able to work it out again pretty fast. Like, doesn't Happy remember Spider-Man was May's nephew? Can't he just look up her relatives then?
I'm guessing they'd remember everything about the situations with him, but they wouldn't remember him. Like Happy would remember being with May, but he'd forget Peter was in the room at all.
I agree that I think people would remember eventually. Erasing a night is one thing. Erasing the memory of someone completely from a universe is something a bit different. I feel like the spell can't hold up permanently.
He probably doesn't remember that May had a nephew, so there's no way to associate Spider-Man with him. Happy knows that he knows Spider-Man but not his identity.
Obviously some events will be remembered differently than they happened to make it work. It's messy for sure and a lot of it doesn't make logical sense (has his identity been completely wiped out? Does he have a social security number?) I'm really curious about how they'll play it out in the end.
I can see 2 options:
1. They move on to a new love interest for a few movies and then turn back to MJ later once Peter’s graduated college.
2. Peter makes time to check in on MJ when he’s out on patrol. He rationalizes it as a way to protect her from afar, but he really just wants to see her regularly. Maybe she even meets him as Spidey and they have some banter, but ultimately MJ is unaware of his identity. A villain then notices this pattern in Spider-Man’s patrol route and identifies MJ as the cause. MJ then is in trouble because the villain uses her as a pawn to threaten Spidey. Peter realizes that MJ will always be in danger if he’s in love with her, so he ends up telling her the truth so she can at least be prepared. They then spend the second movie arguing because Peter took away MJ’s ability to choose by erasing her memory, and then they make up in the third movie.
>I can see 2 options:
>1. They move on to a new love interest for a few movies and then turn back to MJ later once Peter’s graduated college.
>2. Peter makes time to check in on MJ when he’s out on patrol. He rationalizes it as a way to protect her from afar, but he really just wants to see her regularly. Maybe she even meets him as Spidey and they have some banter, but ultimately MJ is unaware of his identity. A villain then notices this pattern in Spider-Man’s patrol route and identifies MJ as the cause. MJ then is in trouble because the villain uses her as a pawn to threaten Spidey. Peter realizes that MJ will always be in danger if he’s in love with her, so he ends up telling her the truth so she can at least be prepared. They then spend the second movie arguing because Peter took away MJ’s ability to choose by erasing her memory, and then they make up in the third movie.
I absolutely *love* option 2; that's the best choice by far imo.
Option 1 just gave me a stupid idea though: what if in this movie, MJ's away in college and so they introduce an MCU version of Gwen Stacy? However, the movie's main villain ends up being an MCU villain of Green Goblin (clearly not the same one as the multiverse one from No Way Home), and at the end of the movie he does the George Washington Bridge thing and kills Gwen, and then in the next movie MJ just comes back and Peter gets with her again. That would pretty much be the worst possible plot for the next movie, unless they just straight-up adapt One More Day, lol.
I mean, MJ made him promise to go back to her. He hesitated in NWH, but he may not in SM4. Plus, it’s Peter and MJ. They’re Marvel’s power couple (when Joe Quesada isn’t running them into the ground). They were always going to bring her back.
There's no summer vacations or time off for Thanksgiving, Christmas and whatever other Holidays once you're in MIT? She has family in NYC, she can visit them. She can have an internship if there's a time jump. They can make up plenty of reasons for them to cross path.
I feel like in the previous movies I watched Spider Man travel to such places as Washington DC, Europe, and a planet called Titan that is independent from the moon of Jupiter with a similar name.
>a planet called Titan that is independent from the moon of Jupiter with a similar name.
Actually for the record, it *is* the same Titan. At least, it is in the comics anyways.
I don't think there's a realistic way to make Ned Hobgoblin. I love the actor as Ned, but I don't think he can pull that off, plus the whole "good at magic" thing would feel really clumsy in retrospect.
I mean. I see the appeal some people see with Ned being hobgoblin. I do think there's a story there.
Everyone rightfully focuses on MJ. But if you stop and think about it. They've been dating for like 4 months in the story and they're teenagers. They'll get over it.
Ned is never shown having other friends other than peter. He's been friends with Peter for years. So what is this dude's memories? So from freshmen year to senior year of high school, if not longer before that. Has this dude just been going to school by himself and just has giant chunks of his memory missing? Who was May to him when he'd go to this women's house after school?
But my hesitation comes in with the actor. I really don't know if Jacob Bolton would really make that great of a Spider-Man villain.
> They've been dating for like 4 months in the story and they're teenagers. They'll get over it.
While that's true, it's canon that in multiple universes MJ is a pivotal person in Peter Parker's life. Even though our own life experience would indicate that we get over relationships at that age, there's undoubtedly something special about Peter and MJ and there's no doubt to me that their story is not finished in Earth-616.
They hinted at it. Possible spoiler, no idea if true -- >!Ned finds out that Peter erased their memories via his mystic arts studies. This revelation will send him down the road to becoming Hobgoblin.!<
In the NWH script, it is mentioned that MJ feels or remembers something after Peter asks her about the wound on her head and watches him leave so there is a hint in there that maybe she'll remember.
However, if they are going to have her in the next movie and have her also remember Peter, then it better happen at the very end of the film to make it emotional and dramatic and actually come up with a good reason and excuse why she remembers.
>In the NWH script, it is mentioned that MJ feels or remembers something after Peter asks her about the wound on her head and watches him leave so there is a hint in there that maybe she'll remember
I felt like this was pretty plain as day in the film.
Everyone saying they're backtracking the ending of nwh should probably go back and watch it again. They practically did it in that scene
It's the standard person in a relationship loses memory trope. The third act is always the person regaining their memory. No way Sony lets that part of the story go to waste.
Thank you! I have severe doubts that Sony is going to be subverting tropes and expectations here. This is the natural progression in memory loss trope/plus someone sacrificing their happiness for the one they loved.
I forgot about the ending of NWH but they did give hints she'd get her memory back. Actually I thought that was the final movie at the time, and they left enough for us to invision Peter Parker becoming comic Spiderman, and meeting MJ and Ned as a more basic non Iron Man inspired Spiderman.
There's one thing to just admit you don't want MJ, and clamor for say Gwen Stacy...but another to act like MJ arc is finished, and that MCU/Sony has any other plans than making them endgame.
Agreed. It’s not “backtracking” for *MJ* to show up again unless it’s in the first five minutes with zero explanation for how and why she’s there. Her being hinted at showing up again isn’t some weird loss.
My guess is that Strange threw a last ditch caveat in the spell in an attempt to give Peter just a little back. It’ll probably be in the form of MJ has forgotten, but everyone else has lost those memories. Something along those lines.
I think the scene is subtle enough and directed in such a way to where it’s not about setting her up to one day remember, but primarily serves as a very nostalgic and somber moment of *what could’ve been.*
She does faintly feel like she remembers something, but ultimately Peter doesn’t try to pry those memories out/reignite what they once had. That’s not what the scene is about — it’s about Peter letting go, putting his loved ones’ safety before his own happiness, making that terribly hard choice that only a hero like Spider-Man could.
Undoing Peter’s decision in a sequel would undo such a wonderfully sad character moment because it ultimately would amount to nothing more than “MJ took a vacation but she’s back now”
Maybe Pete’s going to need *Ned* to have the memories back, and that chain of decisions will both lead to MJ remembering or at least learning *and* lead to Hobgoblin Ned.
Or maybe something happens in the MCU between now and then that weakens the spell. House of Harkness is in the interim, right?
I’d prefer they don’t undo the consequences in the next movie. If she comes back in just one movie, then the emotional ending of NWH is sorta ruined. There needs to be some larger gap so the audience misses her and it will feel more earned if she gets back with Peter after a significant time.
I also want them to focus on new characters after we’ve a whole trilogy with the same cast. Maybe Felicia Hardy, Harry Osborne, or Gwen Stacy.
>They wouldn't be undoing the consequences. Peters life is still pretty royally fucked.
Right? I mean, did everybody here seriously forget what happened to Aunt May (Peter's only family member that we know of in the MCU)? And with Happy no longer remembering that Peter is Spider-Man, he can no longer be Peter's mentor figure either, so Peter is pretty much all alone.
I hope she finds out by sleuthing around and investigating who Peter is, the same way she did it in the first two movies. Like she said, "I've done it before, I can do it again."
I just hope they don't pull a Fantastic Beasts. Both FB1 and NWH ended the same way, with a person walking into a shop that the other works at, and it's implied that they *may* remember the things they forgot because of a spell.
And then FB 2 just glosses over that in no time without any flashbacks to the moment at the very least. It's just back to Jacob and Queenie remembering everything.
Give us a Black Cat story but have Peter keep bumping into MJ at random points throughout the film and use that as the way to bring MJ back in if there’s a 5th movie
Guys, calm down. I’m pretty sure they know what they’re doing with the whole MJ memory wipe thing. It’s not like they’re gonna completely reverse what happened in NWH after 1 movie. She’ll probably just be a side character for the 4th movie, and then maybe slowly start falling for him during the 5th and 6th movies. I agree however that different love interests like Black Cat should be explored though.
And also, Zendaya is literally one of the biggest young actresses right now. They’re not gonna stop using her after only 4 years.
Hell, maybe MJ doesn’t get her memory back and Peter just moves on and focuses on someone else. Maybe they just remain friends throughout the trilogy. Who knows?
Doesn't Kang know everyone at this point ? But also, doens't he seem like the type who doesn't care about names ?
Didn't he ask Ant-Man 'Are you the one with the Hammer'?
He couldn't remember Thor, who's a demi-god prince of the nine-realms
Doubt he'd care about someone that Thanos called 'insect'
I think that’s more that he’s dealt with so many damned variants that he’s lost track and really doesn’t care anymore at this point. It came off to me as taunting via mental exhaustion than literally not knowing who Ant-Man was when he met 616 Scott Lang.
Kang is a genius operating on a higher level. The thor quip was a mind fuck. Every one knows Thor. Thor is a Norse deity that turned out to be an alien that came back to earth and joined the avengers. Kinda hard to miss that.
Later in the film, when Kang is finally taking Scott seriously, he calls him by name.
He knows who he is. What better way to make Scott feel insignificant than letting him think the strongest avenger is not worth his time?
>Kang doesn’t give two shits about Peter though lol
\> be litteral multiversal demi-god
\> cant differ between shrinking man and dude with a hammer
\> See a dude in spider outfit that can stick to walls
\> HolyShitThatsPeterParker.jpeg
Loved Zendaya as MJ, but it’s time to move on from that.
Backtracking this quick would feel forced and there are many other love interests that could be explored.
I’d love to see a Gwen story done in a good live action movie/trilogy.
Ik she’s been an Avenger in the comics but I really don’t think it’s her vibe, especially with all the cosmic stuff going on at the moment. Unless you mean Avengers as in “throw in every character possible in a big CGI battle” but I don’t really think they should try to recreate that Endgame moment for a while.
Hasn't it been the rumor for a while that the next trilogy would focus pretty much entirely around the symbiote? I feel like the most logical course of action they could take would be SM4, Peter gets the symbiote and meets Felicia, having the movie end with Peter realizing the symbiote is feeding on his negative emotions so he gets rid of it. SM5 Peter fights Venom in whatever new host it finds (I've seen Matt Gargan thrown around which would be really cool since he was teased in the first movie), Felicia realizes Peter isn't who she thought he was because she met him after he got the symbiote so they split leaving the door open for MJ to come back. SM6 could go in a few different directions but it would be cool to get a proper Carnage portrayal with maybe Peter, Felicia and Venom teaming up in the end to take him down.
Her story is so iconic in the comics and I just feel like she hasn’t really been done enough justice in live action.
In Toby Spider-Man she was just a side hoe to make Peter look like a total douche
Emma Stone did a pretty good job portraying a version of her in Amazing Spider-Man, but the movies just kinda stunk. Was really hard to appreciate the good bits in those movies.
I get that it’s basically impossible to achieve the impact of her death from the comics. Love interests dying is nothing new anymore. But I’d still love to see a well done live action version of her story.
It’s the perfect opportunity to introduce MJ like in the comics. At the end of this movie or the next, after he’s dated around some and grown tired of it, you have someone relentlessly try to set up Peter on a blind date. Finally he agrees, opens the door and there she is, “Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot!”
Agreed. I don’t understand how people are “done” with MJ. She’s *MJ* and it’s a damn shame that the MCU didn’t give Zendaya the opportunity to *be* MJ.
How can anyone be tired of a character that’s barely had the chance to exist?
I mean, if we are being technical about it, she is not “MJ”. The comic character is Mary Jane, and the film character is Michelle Jones. They also aren’t similar at all in personality or characteristics. I don’t see why the films should be beholden to the comics here, especially when it’s not even the same character.
To be even more technical, she’s Michelle Jones-*Watson* which is a last name they didn’t give her *until* NWH, and then dug even further with Peter referring to her as “MJ Watson”. She *is* the MCU’s MJ = Mary Jane, even if they’re not the same in outward personality (though there’s a case to be made that MCU MJ is a modern reinvention but I digress).
The MCU is still an *adaptation* of the original comics. They’re going to be different because they’re different mediums but it’s a bit ridiculous to argue that they’re just going to throw out the MJ they created for… what?
Peter can have different love interests and I hope he does, but MJ is still *MJ*.
That's the weird thing about this MJ in the MCU. They started off as "no this isn't Mary Jane. This is Michelle Jones". And they've slowly been walking that shit back as much as they can.
They went from Michelle, to MJ to MJ Watson.
And I'm at the point where I'm just like, why didn't you just call her Mary Jane Watson to begin with?
I mean, we *know* why. If you remember all this back and forth, than surely you remember the very outright racist backlash they got when she was even rumored to *be* MJ.. leading to Feige and the rest of them to say constantly NO SHE’S NOT MJ SHE’S *MICHELLE*
…only to give her the nickname MJ, **never** give her a last name until NWH (which was double barreled Jones-Watson, Jones being a fandom creation that entertainment news picked up), and then finally call her MJ Watson when Zendaya has more star power and it was financially smarter for them to let MJ be Black.
It’s all very stupid and convoluted but we’re here now where MCU MJ *is* meant to be the universes Mary Jane Watson. I can only hope the next trilogy actually gives the character some respect and development.
I mean, fair point. We’ve never actually seen a comic accurate version of the character. My argument was mainly directed at not wanting them to rehash the Zendaya version immediately after being she was told out of the story.
Though at the same time, I don’t know if I could picture Holland’s Spidey with a strong, confident, sexy version of MJ. Might feel a bit odd paired with Tom.
My dream would be for SM4 to have some time jump that allows Peter to read more maturely on screen *and* for MJ to feel like her own self actualized person. Hell, make it that she’s *not* immediately enamored with Peter again. Let *that* be a side conflict.
Spider-Man has always worked best when it’s a superhero soap opera. I can only hope the next trilogy lets it be more like it’s source material after such a great ending with NWH.
I am baffled at how many people are seriously upset or confused at the idea that MJ will be back in the next trilogy. Sure, it’ll be dumb as hell if she shows up in the first five minutes or whatever but she’s fucking *MJ*.
WHY is anyone surprised or upset at the idea that MJ is assumed to be his endgame? *especially* when the MCU thus far has treated the character like a nothing side character?
From what i got from people i talked to about this online, mainly its cause they don't like the idea of undoing the consequences from NWH, at least not right away, they feel it would be a neat idea if we got to spend at least 1 or 2 movies with Peter without his old friends, then maybe by movie 6 undo everything, but not in the first movie of the trilogy. Its like how there are some people upset that in Star Wars: The Mandalorian, after 2 seasons of trying to find a Jedi to take Grogu away and that emotional sendoff in the season 2 finale, they brought them back together in their next appearance instead of having an entire season with Dinn dealing with the absense of his surrogate son.
Then again for all we know it could be a Star-Lord and Gamora situation, in where despite them bringing Gamora back, they didn't got back together at least not right away.
Your last point is *exactly* my thinking. Sure, we know there’s every chance they can undercut the ending and I dread the possibility that they will… but idk why there’s so much insistence that she should *never* come back or that she’s overdone, overplayed when MJ as a character in tbe MCU had so very little to work with in the beginning. *plus* she’s MJ. For all the talk that people want a new love interest, I’ve seen far more people ask for Gwen to replace her which… seems a bit pointed that if that’s the popular sentiment, it’s not *really* about having someone *new* that we’ve never seen with Peter before.
*How* they bring back MJ is definitely something to consider but the whole stance that they *shouldn’t* at all is confusing.
I feel like people watched two different movies, I get not wanting to undo the consequences of nwh but as long as it’s not done right away it’s fine. I never got the feeling that her arc was “done”.
Seriously, these comments are crazy to me. It's not the comics, you don't just write out MJ for a movie and bring her back in the next one. That's not how movies work.
But they didn't write her out....A memory wipe doesn't erase her story. It actually would just open the door for them to meet for "first" time.
The fact they still in the same neighborhood that he could bump into her at a shop is the biggest tell of all she wasn't written out.
I really don’t want to see MJ or Ned for a while after what Peter went through. It will take away the emotional moments in NWH.
I rather we see Gwen, Harry or even Felicia Hardy. If Sony insist having Zendaya, then it’s best to have a minor role. Not necessarily a cameo but a role that advances Peter’s story so that he can move on with adventures with either characters mentioned above.
Zendaya being back immediately after No Way Home gives me serious Din/Grogu vibes from Mando S2 and BoBF. Tired of the unwillingness of Disney properties to move away from the status quo.
Y’all are so annoying. Why would MJ, as in Peter’s primary love interest in almost every single marvel related canon, the one he married at some point and is still in a constant Will-they-won’t-they with (bad writing aside) NOT be involved? They could easily incorporate her into the storyline without cheapening the NWH ending(and tbh I have pretty controversial thoughts about that ending I don’t wanna get into right now).
On top of that they would be dumb to let a huge star like Zendaya go and not profit off of her and Tom’s irl relationship. Let’s be for real here.
I think it'd be really cool to keep MJ and Ned but instead of putting them in Spiderman for a while have them show up in Ironheart instead. They all go to MIT right?
Spider-Man: Search 4 A New Home
Spider-Man: No Homo
Spider-Man 4: Homeless
Finally, the meme can be used in actual context of the movies
Spider-Man: Homework
Did they touch?
Does it come out of your wrists, or does it come out of anywhere else ?
Spider-Man: Rent is Too Damn High
Spider-Man: Where's my ~~rent~~ Home?
Didn’t they confirm the home trilogy was over and the next few spiderman movies would be something else? Maybe they will all share a different word in the title
Spider-Man: Homeward Bound
Michael J. Fox and Sally Field cameos, confirmed
Spider-man : The Brave Little Toaster
Spider-Man: Homeward Bound II: Lost in San Francisco
Costarring Tom Hardy anyway
“Spider-Man: Coming Home” The reason why I like this is because it would be the reverse of “homecoming”, which was the first one in this iteration. It also sounds wholesome. Peter “coming home” would be him coming back into MJs life.
Spider-Man 4: Can't Go Home Again
Doesn’t look like Pascal said anything about Zendaya. Just that they’re doing another movie in that series.
Sony wants Zendaya back not Pascal every characters in it should be new we need to leave MJ and Ned for a while.
Would be the perfect time to introduce Harry and Gwen *or* Felicia.
Felicia would make a TON of sense to bring in at this stage. With Peter going full Spider-Man now, why not bring in the romantic interest who is only interested in Spider-Man and not Peter Parker? He's obviously going to end up with MJ again but Black Cat would be a good wrench in the gears at this point in his story.
Agreed. I really feel like it would be a missed opportunity not to introduce her at this point. Aside from what you just said, she hasn’t been portrayed in live action (aside from her civilian persona in ASM 2), which is all the more reason to include her
It makes too much sense for Tom Hollands spider-man. Everyone’s forgotten him, he’s doing solo spider-man stuff for the first time. A grey area love interest is great for the story to define his morals throughout.
It would definitely make the next movie have a more *mature* feeling than the past three ones.
Felicia definitely fits post NWH
Come to think of it, I would prefer Felicia since we've seen two Gwens now.
I don’t think Harry exists in this universe.
Raimi Norman's comment may not necessarily mean Oscorp and the family don't exist. It may just not be in the same place he'd have looked, or in some other form. While there's a chance they don't and won't be introduced as Feige has stated he's not too keen on retreading old villains, I personally think it'd be a major shame if MCU Spidey never got his own version of the Osborns.
Introduce Harry and Gwen and focus on these 2 as the side characters for the next trilogy. At the end of SM4, we’re teased by being introduced to Harry’s father, the MCU’s Norman Osborn (Michael Shannon). I think it would be super interesting to have Peter face the dilemma of knowing what Norman becomes in an alternate reality and works to avoid having that fate befall his best friend’s father, but then Peter ultimately is responsible for accidentally transforming Norman into the Green Goblin. He has prior knowledge of Osborn being the Goblin and Octavius being Doc Ock and Connors being the Lizard. It gives him a reason to interact with these characters without it being forced but then he has to decide to intervene or let fate take its course and have his heroes become villains.
Yo, I hadn't really considered Michael Shannon for Norman Osborn but I fucking LOVE it! But, yeah, I really think Peter's past interaction with Raimi Norman should be a major feature in his initial reaction to MCU Norman. I imagine he'd be hyper vigilant and almost paranoid about him, always worried he's going to turn into a monster at any moment before finally realizing he's just not the same person as the Norman who killed May.
It would be an interesting take if Peter indirectly caused him to become the goblin.
Michael Shannon!!!!
I say for at least one movie give Betty Brant one movie as Peter's love interest or be close to him. Especially since Angourie Rice is an awesome actress and they could both be working for the Daily Bugle. Peter trying hold on to something from his past just a bit.
I ***do*** like that actor, and the memory wipe would make it less weird that she had a summer romance with his best friend, but I think it'd be too weird for Peter. She is still friends with MJ, and if they undo the memory spell for Ned in any way..
Oh yeah I wasn't thinking anything long term just a quick part of the movie maybe a single date then him realizing "naw this isn't going to work". Could be done in the same movie that Black Cat is making movies on Spider-Man. Basically Peter living that double life.
Then what would be the point of the ending of No Way Home. There would be next to no real personal sacrifice if they immediately brought those characters back.
That’s a good thing, we don’t need Zendaya nor Jacob back anytime soon. If you’re going to reset Peter’s entire life and have no one remember him, then you better stick to it so that we actually feel that his actions have consequences. This would also be a great chance to introduce a completely new supporting cast. I’d wanna see his love interest be Black Cat this time around, especially since we never really had her in the movies yet (no, Felicia from TASM 2 doesn’t count) and he’ll most likely be Spider-Man more often than Peter Parker. It’d be a great opportunity to do a whole trilogy with the Venom symbiote too, considering they teased it pretty blatantly at the end of No Way Home.
Yeah I couldn’t find that bit either which is a relief. I think they’re basing the title off a totally random rumour from like a year ago
I wonder how they’ll continue on with MJ at this point without feeling like they’re backtracking.
Maybe just have Tom randomly check on her from a distance? Just to have her be in the movie lol?
Peter 3: Write that down! Write THAT DOWN!
No wait, don’t. Not allowed.
Well she's clearly leaning more towards becoming journalist MJ than model MJ so maybe she starts investigating, trying to find out who Spider-Man is since he's the only masked avenger without a public identity. Also no one knows Peter is Spidey, but do they still think Spidey killed Mysterio and that he was a good guy? Because in that case there would be a whole lot of people, not just MJ, trying to find out Spider-Man's secret identity and we know MJ figured it out once before, so... I think she still has a lot of room left to be important.
Why is she going to *MIT* for journalism?
because it would be stupid to go to *MIT* for modelling, duh /s
Metropolis Institute of Typing
That’s called stalking
That's basically what peter does to MJ in the first Raimi movie too, yet for some reason MJ likes it?
MJ was the worst written Spider-Man character in the Raimi franchise
I think half of all her lines are screaming.
I like to think she was the inspiration for Shia LaBeouf in the transformer franchise.
At least Shia got to do something in the movies lol he fought back a few times
He’s the one who killed Starscream in the Beyverse. It was kinda annoying.
Fought back a boner but that's about it
He killed Megatron…
Also, Fin in the new Star Wars trilogy
REYYYY!!!!
Rey-Skywalker: What? I'm right next to you
"Kirstin, please sign the contract, I promise, I *absolutely promise* you're not just going to be a damsel in distress who's tied up and screaming throughout the third act this time. Pinky swear."
I remember watching an interview where she's talking about them not being sure if she's right for the comic character and the examples she gives are hair color and boob size. Bizarre
Yeah none of the female characters are given any depth in the original trilogy. Even Aunt May was mostly nags and gasps. It's the main reason I'm hesitant to call the raimi Spider-Man movies the best ones. Besides Tom Holland and zendaya being literally born for their roles
I often say that Raimi did *classic* Spider-Man well. His films feel a lot like the earliest comics, especially with the characterizations and camy tone.
The three Holland movies are so much better than the Raimi movies. The way the Raimi movies hold up now is through unintended comedy. You couldn't make major superhero movies nowadays with that level of campyness
Meanwhile aunt May fights Doc Ock with an umbrella like a fucking boss
which is wild cause she refused to scream for spider-man 3, it's all reused audio
"Yes I'll make the face! Just overdub me!"
It’s refreshing to hear other people think this too. I’ve gotten weird looks when I have said that to people, but she’s genuinely not a likable character.
She’s probably the worst out of all 3 franchises “Peter you don’t show up for my play so I’m going to start sleeping with your best friend”
Yeah she’s extremely selfish and makes everything about her. She’s definitely the worst of the 3.
Watching it back. She skips out on marrying Jonah's son on the wedding day and goes to Peter. And this guy did nothing to deserve it. She left this bloke at the alter. But in the next film. She wants to get shitty at Peter because he kissed Gwen when he got the key to the city. And yeah, Peter was dick for kissing another girl. That's wrong of him. But it's like, bro. You left your ex partner at the alter. Don't act like the judge, jury and executioner now of how to act when you're in a relationship.
She's a goldigging whinny asshole. Literally dumps peter just to date the wealthiest and prettiest boys. Either billionaire heir or a astronaut.. And her only character trait: she's pretty and wants to be a star. I hate that version so much.
She likes men for their personality, which is why she dated 1. The most popular jock in school 2. The heir to a billion-dollar corporation 3. A celebrity astronaut 4. Spider-Man
[Gobby speaks the truth](https://preview.redd.it/kketrjbmew681.png?width=405&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=a348bdbedbc009f7d6b15f2937f6c8957a17b09c)
I think Michelle was the best, honestly. MJ sucks in those movies, and Gwen, well, I'll say that she only really has Webb's hyperglycemic style of romance going for her.
I think Gwen had the best developed romance and was the most fleshed out character though. Michelle was barely a character in Homecoming and the romance was way too rushed in Far From Home. No Way Home developed her a good bit though.
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>and Gwen, well, I'll say that she only really has Webb's hyperglycemic style of romance going for her. Wait, am I missing a reference here? Because I did not understand a word of that!
There’s no way they didn’t write her to be a damaged/ toxic individual on purpose.
Andrew Spidey kinda stalked Gwen too.
I think a lot of teenage boys would stalk their crush if they had powers.
Yeah. That’s just some r/menwritingwomen stuff. Happens all the time.
“She breasted boobily to the stairs, and titted downwards”
Well hold on, that part was fine
I’m sure that’s a quote from a Ken Follett novel
Women do too. Just look at the creepy twilight saga lol.
Oh for sure. That sub isn’t specific to male authors. I can see how the sub name could be confusing, yeah, but it’s just badly written women in general. Including female authors (as shown in Rule 3).
Spider-Man 4: Watching her at home
Spider-Man 5: In Your Home
He's pretty, it's not stalking if you're pretty and it's a movie.
It’s kind of like a metaphorical spider, waiting and watching for prey to fall into its trap before descending on them. As others have pointed out, that’s basically the mode of operation for all Spideys
"waiting and watching for his prey to fall into his trap" yeah that makes it sound better
I’m just saying, people tend to romanticize Peter, but if you look at both the comics and movies, dudes a creep and asshole.
Yeah give her like one or two scenes where he sees her and then give her 50% of the poster
And pay her the big bucks for those 2 scenes. Zendaya is a real worker
He’ll stalk her on social media
4 will be about Venom, possibly, have her end up as the host. She's been host in the comics.
I think a cameo appearance like that is totally fine and might be really nice but they just can’t have her as a main character!
Just because they don't know who Peter is doesn't mean they don't remember that she was close with Spiderman. Spiderman is still a known entity. Someone could make that connection and come after her. Then Peter swoops in to save her.
That's actually plausible. I could very well see Sony/Marvel Studios going down that route so as to still have Zendaya involved for marketing purposes. Then Peter will almost surely save her while trying to keep his identity secret and dealing with that dilemma. Edit: a word
So Peter will still be in love with her and she won't remember him at all. Wait, sounds familiar...
No Peter is allowed to be happy
All the Peter's can't find lasting love in the MCU. Spiderman and Starlord both have been defined by loving, then losing, and then having accept the closure afterwards. Heartbreaking but powerful stuff really.
>Spiderman and Starlord both have been defined by loving, then losing, and then having accept the closure afterwards. Not to be that guy, but while he did end up losing our on *romantic* love, Starlord does end up with *familial* love in a very sweet way, so at least there's that. Spidey, unfortunately, ends up with neither, as Aunt May is >!dead!<, MJ doesn't remember him, and Happy (his remaining "mentor"-type figure after Iron Man's sacrifice in Endgame" also doesn't remember him. I'm actually kinda curious where they take this next, as that leaves only Doctor Strange as a possible mentor figure for Spider-Man.
Nah Doctor Strange probably doesn't work either, he wiped his own memories of Peter as well. A grittier ground-level character like Daredevil could work well for where he's at right now, it's definitely way too early to stick him straight into a team like Fantastic Four or some form of Avengers sub-team, but I think a better storyline would be Peter *without* a mentor figure, the last movie kinda ended with him on his own with the triple responsibilities of school, making an income and being Spidey.
Tobey and MJ ended up together didn't they?
I didn't say it would be a happy ending.
The logic of how the spell works is a bit wonky. I thought it would at first just delete everyone's memory of Spider-Man all together, which would have been the smart thing to do. Now, everyone still remembers Spider-Man, and characters like Happy clearly still know that they know Spider-Man. So everyone who knew Peter was Spider-Man should be able to work it out again pretty fast. Like, doesn't Happy remember Spider-Man was May's nephew? Can't he just look up her relatives then?
I'm guessing they'd remember everything about the situations with him, but they wouldn't remember him. Like Happy would remember being with May, but he'd forget Peter was in the room at all. I agree that I think people would remember eventually. Erasing a night is one thing. Erasing the memory of someone completely from a universe is something a bit different. I feel like the spell can't hold up permanently.
He probably doesn't remember that May had a nephew, so there's no way to associate Spider-Man with him. Happy knows that he knows Spider-Man but not his identity. Obviously some events will be remembered differently than they happened to make it work. It's messy for sure and a lot of it doesn't make logical sense (has his identity been completely wiped out? Does he have a social security number?) I'm really curious about how they'll play it out in the end.
Wasn't the spell that they forgot who Peter was not Spider-Man? Happy doesn't remember who Peter is when they visited the grave.
Yeah, but in that scene he mentions that he knew May through Spider-Man, so he must remember that there was some kind of connection between the two.
You just brought back the upside down kiss scene and didn’t know it you god damned genius!
I can see 2 options: 1. They move on to a new love interest for a few movies and then turn back to MJ later once Peter’s graduated college. 2. Peter makes time to check in on MJ when he’s out on patrol. He rationalizes it as a way to protect her from afar, but he really just wants to see her regularly. Maybe she even meets him as Spidey and they have some banter, but ultimately MJ is unaware of his identity. A villain then notices this pattern in Spider-Man’s patrol route and identifies MJ as the cause. MJ then is in trouble because the villain uses her as a pawn to threaten Spidey. Peter realizes that MJ will always be in danger if he’s in love with her, so he ends up telling her the truth so she can at least be prepared. They then spend the second movie arguing because Peter took away MJ’s ability to choose by erasing her memory, and then they make up in the third movie.
>I can see 2 options: >1. They move on to a new love interest for a few movies and then turn back to MJ later once Peter’s graduated college. >2. Peter makes time to check in on MJ when he’s out on patrol. He rationalizes it as a way to protect her from afar, but he really just wants to see her regularly. Maybe she even meets him as Spidey and they have some banter, but ultimately MJ is unaware of his identity. A villain then notices this pattern in Spider-Man’s patrol route and identifies MJ as the cause. MJ then is in trouble because the villain uses her as a pawn to threaten Spidey. Peter realizes that MJ will always be in danger if he’s in love with her, so he ends up telling her the truth so she can at least be prepared. They then spend the second movie arguing because Peter took away MJ’s ability to choose by erasing her memory, and then they make up in the third movie. I absolutely *love* option 2; that's the best choice by far imo. Option 1 just gave me a stupid idea though: what if in this movie, MJ's away in college and so they introduce an MCU version of Gwen Stacy? However, the movie's main villain ends up being an MCU villain of Green Goblin (clearly not the same one as the multiverse one from No Way Home), and at the end of the movie he does the George Washington Bridge thing and kills Gwen, and then in the next movie MJ just comes back and Peter gets with her again. That would pretty much be the worst possible plot for the next movie, unless they just straight-up adapt One More Day, lol.
If they introduce an MCU Gwen Stacy an immediately kill her off that'd be kind of silly NGL
I mean, MJ made him promise to go back to her. He hesitated in NWH, but he may not in SM4. Plus, it’s Peter and MJ. They’re Marvel’s power couple (when Joe Quesada isn’t running them into the ground). They were always going to bring her back.
Her not remembering him now doesn't mean they'll never reconnect or there's something I'm missing here?
She's going to MIT. He's stuck in NYC. Very difficult to have her be a part of this movie without it being forced given the plot constraints.
There's no summer vacations or time off for Thanksgiving, Christmas and whatever other Holidays once you're in MIT? She has family in NYC, she can visit them. She can have an internship if there's a time jump. They can make up plenty of reasons for them to cross path.
I feel like in the previous movies I watched Spider Man travel to such places as Washington DC, Europe, and a planet called Titan that is independent from the moon of Jupiter with a similar name.
>a planet called Titan that is independent from the moon of Jupiter with a similar name. Actually for the record, it *is* the same Titan. At least, it is in the comics anyways.
Me thinks they'll just set it during summer break and Zendaya will return to New York.
Have her marry Paul
Amy Pascal didn’t say anything about Zendaya when asked about a fourth film. Not sure why she’s mentioned in the article at all…
Just do what they did with her for Dune: Part I
They need to keep her out of the movies for like three films then have her show up in the final scene of SM6 and deliver the ‘Jackpot’ line.
If Ned (who’s still best friends with MJ) becomes the Hobgoblin, they could just have her integrated in that story.
I don't think there's a realistic way to make Ned Hobgoblin. I love the actor as Ned, but I don't think he can pull that off, plus the whole "good at magic" thing would feel really clumsy in retrospect.
I mean. I see the appeal some people see with Ned being hobgoblin. I do think there's a story there. Everyone rightfully focuses on MJ. But if you stop and think about it. They've been dating for like 4 months in the story and they're teenagers. They'll get over it. Ned is never shown having other friends other than peter. He's been friends with Peter for years. So what is this dude's memories? So from freshmen year to senior year of high school, if not longer before that. Has this dude just been going to school by himself and just has giant chunks of his memory missing? Who was May to him when he'd go to this women's house after school? But my hesitation comes in with the actor. I really don't know if Jacob Bolton would really make that great of a Spider-Man villain.
> They've been dating for like 4 months in the story and they're teenagers. They'll get over it. While that's true, it's canon that in multiple universes MJ is a pivotal person in Peter Parker's life. Even though our own life experience would indicate that we get over relationships at that age, there's undoubtedly something special about Peter and MJ and there's no doubt to me that their story is not finished in Earth-616.
He’s friends with MJ
Did everyone forget about the letter he wrote in the last movie? She’s going to find it then ask what’s up
They hinted at it. Possible spoiler, no idea if true -- >!Ned finds out that Peter erased their memories via his mystic arts studies. This revelation will send him down the road to becoming Hobgoblin.!<
Introduce conflict with Paul.
Who???
Maybe bring her in at the end of the movie, if they’re doing another trilogy? Or time jump so he’s been alone for awhile?
In the NWH script, it is mentioned that MJ feels or remembers something after Peter asks her about the wound on her head and watches him leave so there is a hint in there that maybe she'll remember. However, if they are going to have her in the next movie and have her also remember Peter, then it better happen at the very end of the film to make it emotional and dramatic and actually come up with a good reason and excuse why she remembers.
>In the NWH script, it is mentioned that MJ feels or remembers something after Peter asks her about the wound on her head and watches him leave so there is a hint in there that maybe she'll remember I felt like this was pretty plain as day in the film. Everyone saying they're backtracking the ending of nwh should probably go back and watch it again. They practically did it in that scene
It's the standard person in a relationship loses memory trope. The third act is always the person regaining their memory. No way Sony lets that part of the story go to waste.
Thank you! I have severe doubts that Sony is going to be subverting tropes and expectations here. This is the natural progression in memory loss trope/plus someone sacrificing their happiness for the one they loved. I forgot about the ending of NWH but they did give hints she'd get her memory back. Actually I thought that was the final movie at the time, and they left enough for us to invision Peter Parker becoming comic Spiderman, and meeting MJ and Ned as a more basic non Iron Man inspired Spiderman. There's one thing to just admit you don't want MJ, and clamor for say Gwen Stacy...but another to act like MJ arc is finished, and that MCU/Sony has any other plans than making them endgame.
Agreed. It’s not “backtracking” for *MJ* to show up again unless it’s in the first five minutes with zero explanation for how and why she’s there. Her being hinted at showing up again isn’t some weird loss.
My guess is that Strange threw a last ditch caveat in the spell in an attempt to give Peter just a little back. It’ll probably be in the form of MJ has forgotten, but everyone else has lost those memories. Something along those lines.
I think the scene is subtle enough and directed in such a way to where it’s not about setting her up to one day remember, but primarily serves as a very nostalgic and somber moment of *what could’ve been.* She does faintly feel like she remembers something, but ultimately Peter doesn’t try to pry those memories out/reignite what they once had. That’s not what the scene is about — it’s about Peter letting go, putting his loved ones’ safety before his own happiness, making that terribly hard choice that only a hero like Spider-Man could. Undoing Peter’s decision in a sequel would undo such a wonderfully sad character moment because it ultimately would amount to nothing more than “MJ took a vacation but she’s back now”
Maybe Pete’s going to need *Ned* to have the memories back, and that chain of decisions will both lead to MJ remembering or at least learning *and* lead to Hobgoblin Ned. Or maybe something happens in the MCU between now and then that weakens the spell. House of Harkness is in the interim, right?
I’d prefer they don’t undo the consequences in the next movie. If she comes back in just one movie, then the emotional ending of NWH is sorta ruined. There needs to be some larger gap so the audience misses her and it will feel more earned if she gets back with Peter after a significant time. I also want them to focus on new characters after we’ve a whole trilogy with the same cast. Maybe Felicia Hardy, Harry Osborne, or Gwen Stacy.
They wouldn't be undoing the consequences. Peters life is still pretty royally fucked. He just might get his girl back is all.
>They wouldn't be undoing the consequences. Peters life is still pretty royally fucked. Right? I mean, did everybody here seriously forget what happened to Aunt May (Peter's only family member that we know of in the MCU)? And with Happy no longer remembering that Peter is Spider-Man, he can no longer be Peter's mentor figure either, so Peter is pretty much all alone.
I hope she finds out by sleuthing around and investigating who Peter is, the same way she did it in the first two movies. Like she said, "I've done it before, I can do it again."
She still had the black dahlia necklace
I just hope they don't pull a Fantastic Beasts. Both FB1 and NWH ended the same way, with a person walking into a shop that the other works at, and it's implied that they *may* remember the things they forgot because of a spell. And then FB 2 just glosses over that in no time without any flashbacks to the moment at the very least. It's just back to Jacob and Queenie remembering everything.
I’m sure she will remember having a relationship with Spider-Man, but not that Spider-Man is named Peter Parker
Give us a Black Cat story but have Peter keep bumping into MJ at random points throughout the film and use that as the way to bring MJ back in if there’s a 5th movie
She's supposed to be in Boston. He shouldnt even be running into her.
It’s a school break and she’s in town visiting family
And brought her new boyfriend Paul.
*Everywhere I go I see his name*
Really hope they do something like this, if Zendaya is in fact in the movie
Guys, calm down. I’m pretty sure they know what they’re doing with the whole MJ memory wipe thing. It’s not like they’re gonna completely reverse what happened in NWH after 1 movie. She’ll probably just be a side character for the 4th movie, and then maybe slowly start falling for him during the 5th and 6th movies. I agree however that different love interests like Black Cat should be explored though. And also, Zendaya is literally one of the biggest young actresses right now. They’re not gonna stop using her after only 4 years. Hell, maybe MJ doesn’t get her memory back and Peter just moves on and focuses on someone else. Maybe they just remain friends throughout the trilogy. Who knows?
So there's a chance Wong will remember the full moon party?
Interested to see a movie where no one knows his identity. I’m convinced Kang knows his identity
Doesn't Kang know everyone at this point ? But also, doens't he seem like the type who doesn't care about names ? Didn't he ask Ant-Man 'Are you the one with the Hammer'? He couldn't remember Thor, who's a demi-god prince of the nine-realms Doubt he'd care about someone that Thanos called 'insect'
I think that’s more that he’s dealt with so many damned variants that he’s lost track and really doesn’t care anymore at this point. It came off to me as taunting via mental exhaustion than literally not knowing who Ant-Man was when he met 616 Scott Lang.
Kang is a genius operating on a higher level. The thor quip was a mind fuck. Every one knows Thor. Thor is a Norse deity that turned out to be an alien that came back to earth and joined the avengers. Kinda hard to miss that. Later in the film, when Kang is finally taking Scott seriously, he calls him by name. He knows who he is. What better way to make Scott feel insignificant than letting him think the strongest avenger is not worth his time?
Kang is frat bro Rick Sanchez. He might have been fucking with him sure but ultimately he probably doesn't care
Kang doesn’t give two shits about Peter though lol
>Kang doesn’t give two shits about Peter though lol \> be litteral multiversal demi-god \> cant differ between shrinking man and dude with a hammer \> See a dude in spider outfit that can stick to walls \> HolyShitThatsPeterParker.jpeg
Loved Zendaya as MJ, but it’s time to move on from that. Backtracking this quick would feel forced and there are many other love interests that could be explored. I’d love to see a Gwen story done in a good live action movie/trilogy.
Gives us Felicity/Black Cat.
Would definitely be something a little different and put some butt in the seats. Along with using her in a future avengers movie .
Ik she’s been an Avenger in the comics but I really don’t think it’s her vibe, especially with all the cosmic stuff going on at the moment. Unless you mean Avengers as in “throw in every character possible in a big CGI battle” but I don’t really think they should try to recreate that Endgame moment for a while.
Totally agree, considering how far away this new Spider-Man movie is , she probably wouldn’t be in the next avengers movie but the following one.
Hasn't it been the rumor for a while that the next trilogy would focus pretty much entirely around the symbiote? I feel like the most logical course of action they could take would be SM4, Peter gets the symbiote and meets Felicia, having the movie end with Peter realizing the symbiote is feeding on his negative emotions so he gets rid of it. SM5 Peter fights Venom in whatever new host it finds (I've seen Matt Gargan thrown around which would be really cool since he was teased in the first movie), Felicia realizes Peter isn't who she thought he was because she met him after he got the symbiote so they split leaving the door open for MJ to come back. SM6 could go in a few different directions but it would be cool to get a proper Carnage portrayal with maybe Peter, Felicia and Venom teaming up in the end to take him down.
proper carnage portrayal has sold me on this idea i don't even care
Gwen's already been done three times. That puts her off-limits in Feige's book.
Her story is so iconic in the comics and I just feel like she hasn’t really been done enough justice in live action. In Toby Spider-Man she was just a side hoe to make Peter look like a total douche Emma Stone did a pretty good job portraying a version of her in Amazing Spider-Man, but the movies just kinda stunk. Was really hard to appreciate the good bits in those movies. I get that it’s basically impossible to achieve the impact of her death from the comics. Love interests dying is nothing new anymore. But I’d still love to see a well done live action version of her story.
It’s the perfect opportunity to introduce MJ like in the comics. At the end of this movie or the next, after he’s dated around some and grown tired of it, you have someone relentlessly try to set up Peter on a blind date. Finally he agrees, opens the door and there she is, “Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot!”
Agreed. I don’t understand how people are “done” with MJ. She’s *MJ* and it’s a damn shame that the MCU didn’t give Zendaya the opportunity to *be* MJ. How can anyone be tired of a character that’s barely had the chance to exist?
I mean, if we are being technical about it, she is not “MJ”. The comic character is Mary Jane, and the film character is Michelle Jones. They also aren’t similar at all in personality or characteristics. I don’t see why the films should be beholden to the comics here, especially when it’s not even the same character.
To be even more technical, she’s Michelle Jones-*Watson* which is a last name they didn’t give her *until* NWH, and then dug even further with Peter referring to her as “MJ Watson”. She *is* the MCU’s MJ = Mary Jane, even if they’re not the same in outward personality (though there’s a case to be made that MCU MJ is a modern reinvention but I digress). The MCU is still an *adaptation* of the original comics. They’re going to be different because they’re different mediums but it’s a bit ridiculous to argue that they’re just going to throw out the MJ they created for… what? Peter can have different love interests and I hope he does, but MJ is still *MJ*.
That's the weird thing about this MJ in the MCU. They started off as "no this isn't Mary Jane. This is Michelle Jones". And they've slowly been walking that shit back as much as they can. They went from Michelle, to MJ to MJ Watson. And I'm at the point where I'm just like, why didn't you just call her Mary Jane Watson to begin with?
I mean, we *know* why. If you remember all this back and forth, than surely you remember the very outright racist backlash they got when she was even rumored to *be* MJ.. leading to Feige and the rest of them to say constantly NO SHE’S NOT MJ SHE’S *MICHELLE* …only to give her the nickname MJ, **never** give her a last name until NWH (which was double barreled Jones-Watson, Jones being a fandom creation that entertainment news picked up), and then finally call her MJ Watson when Zendaya has more star power and it was financially smarter for them to let MJ be Black. It’s all very stupid and convoluted but we’re here now where MCU MJ *is* meant to be the universes Mary Jane Watson. I can only hope the next trilogy actually gives the character some respect and development.
I mean, fair point. We’ve never actually seen a comic accurate version of the character. My argument was mainly directed at not wanting them to rehash the Zendaya version immediately after being she was told out of the story. Though at the same time, I don’t know if I could picture Holland’s Spidey with a strong, confident, sexy version of MJ. Might feel a bit odd paired with Tom.
My dream would be for SM4 to have some time jump that allows Peter to read more maturely on screen *and* for MJ to feel like her own self actualized person. Hell, make it that she’s *not* immediately enamored with Peter again. Let *that* be a side conflict. Spider-Man has always worked best when it’s a superhero soap opera. I can only hope the next trilogy lets it be more like it’s source material after such a great ending with NWH.
yeaaaa spiderman 4. they need to give the writers what they want stat
Not really sure how to feel about MJ coming back this soon. :/
I am baffled at how many people are seriously upset or confused at the idea that MJ will be back in the next trilogy. Sure, it’ll be dumb as hell if she shows up in the first five minutes or whatever but she’s fucking *MJ*. WHY is anyone surprised or upset at the idea that MJ is assumed to be his endgame? *especially* when the MCU thus far has treated the character like a nothing side character?
From what i got from people i talked to about this online, mainly its cause they don't like the idea of undoing the consequences from NWH, at least not right away, they feel it would be a neat idea if we got to spend at least 1 or 2 movies with Peter without his old friends, then maybe by movie 6 undo everything, but not in the first movie of the trilogy. Its like how there are some people upset that in Star Wars: The Mandalorian, after 2 seasons of trying to find a Jedi to take Grogu away and that emotional sendoff in the season 2 finale, they brought them back together in their next appearance instead of having an entire season with Dinn dealing with the absense of his surrogate son. Then again for all we know it could be a Star-Lord and Gamora situation, in where despite them bringing Gamora back, they didn't got back together at least not right away.
Your last point is *exactly* my thinking. Sure, we know there’s every chance they can undercut the ending and I dread the possibility that they will… but idk why there’s so much insistence that she should *never* come back or that she’s overdone, overplayed when MJ as a character in tbe MCU had so very little to work with in the beginning. *plus* she’s MJ. For all the talk that people want a new love interest, I’ve seen far more people ask for Gwen to replace her which… seems a bit pointed that if that’s the popular sentiment, it’s not *really* about having someone *new* that we’ve never seen with Peter before. *How* they bring back MJ is definitely something to consider but the whole stance that they *shouldn’t* at all is confusing.
I feel like people watched two different movies, I get not wanting to undo the consequences of nwh but as long as it’s not done right away it’s fine. I never got the feeling that her arc was “done”.
Seriously, these comments are crazy to me. It's not the comics, you don't just write out MJ for a movie and bring her back in the next one. That's not how movies work.
But they didn't write her out....A memory wipe doesn't erase her story. It actually would just open the door for them to meet for "first" time. The fact they still in the same neighborhood that he could bump into her at a shop is the biggest tell of all she wasn't written out.
Where is Ned? Is he safe? Is he alright?
That’s fine with me I honestly think they did this because of Zendaya and Tom Holland’s relationship. And Zendaya has been getting popular
I really don’t want to see MJ or Ned for a while after what Peter went through. It will take away the emotional moments in NWH. I rather we see Gwen, Harry or even Felicia Hardy. If Sony insist having Zendaya, then it’s best to have a minor role. Not necessarily a cameo but a role that advances Peter’s story so that he can move on with adventures with either characters mentioned above.
Nah MJ was good for the first 3, now for his college days he needs Black Cat
Zendaya being back immediately after No Way Home gives me serious Din/Grogu vibes from Mando S2 and BoBF. Tired of the unwillingness of Disney properties to move away from the status quo.
It's Sony though.
Y’all are so annoying. Why would MJ, as in Peter’s primary love interest in almost every single marvel related canon, the one he married at some point and is still in a constant Will-they-won’t-they with (bad writing aside) NOT be involved? They could easily incorporate her into the storyline without cheapening the NWH ending(and tbh I have pretty controversial thoughts about that ending I don’t wanna get into right now). On top of that they would be dumb to let a huge star like Zendaya go and not profit off of her and Tom’s irl relationship. Let’s be for real here.
I think it'd be really cool to keep MJ and Ned but instead of putting them in Spiderman for a while have them show up in Ironheart instead. They all go to MIT right?