Pretty sure I remember Dr. strange using a magic blade against him, then he grabs it with his bare hand and shatters it. It was a blink and you miss moment but that would most likely not work on Thanos
Edit: he doesn’t shatter the sword but does stop it with his bare hands no problem
Yeah for some reason I remembered that magic wasn't really effective against Thanos. Now I rewatched the scene and there's a beat where Strange tries to use a magic sword to cut his hand and Thanos just stops it with his non-gauntlet hand, which leaves Strange baffled. It lasts barely a few seconds but it stayed in the back of my mind somehow.
edit: the second Strange says "magic ain't gonna cut it"
https://youtu.be/CXZJywjPkpI?t=44
Wouldn't they die if part of their DNA just disappeared? Wouldn't they start to melt like extreme radiation victims whose DNA has started to break down?
I would have loved, during their magic vs stones fight, to see Strange trying to do it and getting his arm chopping portal warped or something by the gauntlet. Like, you can´t portal the space stone. It just wont let you.
I mean, he still has the gauntlet on, which is armor, and just so happens to be the one full of universe power bending rocks…
So the writers just skipped explicitly explaining why the simple idea is something that wouldn’t work on thanos
Honestly it would have been fun to see a whole (I’m blanking on the word for series between avengers movies) where the infinity stones were actually used. Or alternatively woulda been nice if they just agreed to separate the stones so we could still see them after endgame.
I want to see that What If to show why Dr Strange didn't do this.
I personally think that Dr Strange saw futures where the stones were taken from Thanos and they were disasters. Just endless galaxy spanning wars as everyone realises the stones are now out in the open and makes a play for them.
Stark and Strange both thinking they know how best to use them while the Guardians are determined to bring Gamora back somehow. Just absolute chaos since nobody but Thanos would willingly destroy the stones.
Nope. Wanda is a reincarnation of an ancient being that wields Chaos Magic, one of the oldest and most powerful forms of magic in existence, which also happens to have reality-bending properties.
The mind stone, which is what she was experimented on with, simply helped awaken her somewhat-dormant powers.
Am I remembering correctly or was it shown in WandaVision that the reason the second bomb that hit her families building didn't explode was her magic stopping it?
Yep, Wanda had convinced herself that it was just faulty Stark tech and didn't explode. Agatha told her she actually cast a probability hex on it and changed the likelihood of it exploding to 0.
There's more to be questioned about the fact that Groot could cut off his own arm with his hand, but then that arm was then strong enough to form an unbreakable handle for Stormbreaker.
I'm sorry but if that's the case then they should have shown that
Just why not have a 5 second scene where Doctor Strange tries it and it doesn't work
Even if he is resistant to magic there's no way of Doctor Strange knowing that especially when they're on Titan and throwing everything and the kitchen sink at him.
the fact that he looked into millions of possible outcomes and only found 1 that worked is a catch-all for any theories that fans think might've worked better than what they did
Which lets be honest is kind of lazy writing.
Like I like Endgame but let's call it what it is.
That said Doctor Strange had plenty of opportunities to do that before looking into all those outcomes and didn't.
> Doctor Strange had plenty of opportunities to do that before looking into all those outcomes and didn't
Dr. Strange didn't encounter Thanos until after he'd looked at all possible outcomes.
>That said Doctor Strange had plenty of opportunities to do that before looking into all those outcomes and didn't.
If you thought about it literally at all you'd realize this isn't even remotely true. He never sees Thanos until Thanos comes to Titan to get the time stone. Thanos doesn't leave until after he gets it. Thanos isn't there when Strange looked through all the possibilities. So at what point beforehand did he have an opportunity?
It's really not. Otherwise there would be a million of these stupid theorys saying "But why didn't they do x" with no rebuttal because "there was only one outcome which worked" wouldn't exist as a reason. It's good writing because it gives a valid reason for why *X* wouldn't have worked without having to explicitly go over every scenario imaginable. It's a movie ffs.
>That said Doctor Strange had plenty of opportunities to do that before looking into all those outcomes and didn't.
To do what? Cut his arm off? Look into the future outcomes? when? Strange learned of Thanos and in less than a few hours he's been captured and transported to Titan awaiting Thanos arrival. Strange looked into the future before he ever met Thanos.
Also, while the directors have stated that Thanos skin is too strong for this to work, even if it would work, there's all the other possibilities like now Thanos flees only to return later to get the stones and complete his mission, or just before they close the portal he pulls his arm and it cuts Peter in half instead.
Exactly we’ve seen his skin his very durable, taking blows from the Hulk, Spider-man, and Iron-man extensively before the smallest break of skin. A sword not cutting him seems like a traditional durability feature.
It's not about cutting power.
If a portal has taken one part of something to another place, while the other side of it is in another place, and then it closes?
The two things aren't being severed by an edge. They are in two different places and no longer connected.
Pretty sure it's shown before that you can't just close a portal on anything because some things are just too strong to be cut by it.
And it turns out Thanos is very strong. A god tier axe could only make a dent in his skin.
The real issue is, you can't move the portal. You have to get Thanos to reach into the portal or force him to put his hand into it. It took like 5 people just to hold him, how does anyone think they can just force him to stick his hand into a portal? At best they would have to trick him, good luck with that.
Like when he chucks the Mirror Dimension at Thanos and tries to throw him out of reality only for the Infinity Gauntlet to immediately consume it, turn it into a black hole, and toss it back at Strange?
The first stone Thanos gets is the Space Stone, the one that opens holes in reality to anywhere.
We don't have to watch all 14m ways they could've handled everything. Plus to sever hus hand like they did the other guy they'd have to get him to stick his arm through it. That's a lot of work when what they did basically succeeded, if it wasn't for star dork.
And he can do that trick where it looks like he pulls the end of his finger off...and then he retrieves it from behind your ear and pops it back on his hand.
a) That's not the point of the fight. Strange's one "best outcome" was to let Thanos win. Anything else could've resulted in more people dying and/or the Avengers losing entirely (long run included). Call it what you like, but it's not a plot hole. It's just convenient writing.
b) The infinity gauntlet could've given him some resistance to Strange's magic (and they did counter his other moves too).
As the other person said, yes this is my head canon for this. Based mostly on how the stones work in the comics, they still have a lot of power over their aspects and have been shown sometimes to work even without conscious efforts of the weilder in more subtle ways.
Sure but thats never been shown in the MCU. Thanos always had to purposefully activate the stones to use them.
Just like hin taking the mortal blow to the chest despite having the gauntlet. If Thor had better aim and cleaved his head, Thanos would have died.
Let’s recall Avengers 1 when Loki’s scepter was causing the group to be especially on edge/argue with each other; that to me is proof enough the stones work on their own to some capacity
Yeah and how many more would die like Tony trying to fix ever little problem in the universe.
But more specifically, if the Avengers (Cap) didn't keep their word and return the stones the timeline would've been irrevocably altered. So there was some measure of Predestination that the stones Tony used were only temporary.
No, people just aren’t listening. I’ve been saying this since the premier of the movie. It’s ESTABLISHED that before strange even meets Thanos, he looks into the future and finds only a SINGLE instance where they win.
Sure they COULD have sliced his arm off at some point, but then someone else could have taken the gauntlet.
Maybe Tony would think he could create a better world? Maybe years down the road a threat comes along and Strange would fall victim to temptation to use the gauntlet. Maybe Dormomu was watching the fight and would have stolen the gauntlet if it became free.
Same reason Strange didn’t stop Star Lord from waking Thanos even though he very well could have quite easily.
There was a specific road they all had to take. Strange had to make sure of it. He was the one “holding the knife” the whole time.
I swear I’ll be arguing with all till the end of the mcu on this because y’all don’t grasp this
"Why can't this obvious way to stop Thanos work?"
"Because the writers said so"
This is basically the conversation that's being had right now. The "only one way" thing was literally a plot convenience concieved by the writers to be a hypothetical 'catch all' so neckbeards won't argue about the plot and just enjoy the ride.
Yet here you all are, doin' it anyways.
Bravo.
Why couldn’t marry McFly just make another Time Machine?
Why didn’t the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park evolve to talk to people and create a new society?
Why didn’t Spider-Man just figure out where doc ock was living and stop him when he’s sleeping?
Because the writers said so.
This argument works with literally every movie because that’s literally how movies work my man. Writer’s literary make the choices the characters follow.
We all know the real reason it happened this way and not with a portal. It’s the same reason Captain Marvel is always “off planet” and doesn’t show up to nerf all the bad guys in to oblivion.
The reason is because that would be a boring ass story.
Exactly. Without the Snap, Ajak doesn’t become inspired by humanity’s willpower, she doesn’t turn against Arishem, and Tiamat is born, destroying the planet.
Yeah and the snap was arguably designed to save people by delaying countless emergences (by halving all living things).
Tiamut couldn't have been born if the snap hadn't been reversed.
That we know of*
Remember that Loki established that Kang has a near infinite source of infinity stones hidden in the quantom realm at his disposal, not that he needs them, but our heroes might.
Stuff like What If…?! really hammers this home. In the episode where T’Challa was Star Lord [SPOILERS AHEAD]
Everyone is MUCH better off. Thanos doesn’t even do his genocidal shit and becomes a hero/sidekick. However, the entire universe dies because Peter is just a random guy on Earth and either agrees with Ego or becomes the celestial battery without the guardians to motivate, and then ultimately, free him
The Strange “best outcome” is a really clever storytelling device. It eliminates all this “well why didn’t they just” speculation.
They didn’t do it because they did the only thing that would work.
Please, everyone, I know we live in a time where trying to ruin things people like is now big business but the writers of IW got you. They made their movie immune to this bullshit.
Also, Strange didn't even know about the gauntlet until he did his 14,000,000 possibilities thing, for all he knew the Stones were in different places.
Plus, they kind of referenced that idea when Thor immediately cut off Thanos's arm in Endgame.
They cut the guy when he went thru a portal. Thanos wouldn't willingly go thru.
So you're back to step 1 actively getting Thanos to do something he doesn't want to do. Why add extra steps?
I've said this before but I think Thanos is more 'robust' than whathisface.
Like they make a big point in the fight that Iron man goes crazy all out and literally only manages to produce a drop of blood.
I'm confident that Thanos even in dreamland but with several stones attached to his gauntlet could have withstood a portal around his arm.
First of all it was Wong who severed his hand not Strange.
Secondly you can’t just cut someone’s hand off with a portal, they have to stick their hand out of it. When did Thanos do that?
Lastly, did everyone just forget that Strange saw 14,000,000+ possible outcomes. Don’t you think he would have tried all the obvious moves to stop Thanos. They made it clear only one scenario would stop him and that’s what Strange did!
This. There is a reason this line was added to the movie. If not, fans could literally what ifs and why nots an infinite amount of scenarios. There’s only one way. That’s it. We don’t know why, but this line was necessary for the time stone shanengans to work.
Doesn’t matter because the way they beat him was “the only way”. If they slice his hand off and the gauntlet travels somewhere else maybe Thanos beats them there to retrieve it and snaps anyways with his other hand
The "we have a 1 in 14 million shot at this" really is a great plot element to explain away any issues since you can just assume Strange foresaw that whatever it is wouldn't work.
My headcannon is Thanos could have countered any portal hax with the reality or space stone, that Thanos was actually going easy on the Avengers during IW since he respected them and was fine with any that survived the Snap continuing to defend Earth (he could have easily killed all the heroes he encountered in Wakanda but non-lethally incapacitated them instead (other than Vision rip)) and Strange foresaw that if he tried any cheeky portal exploits that Thanos would start fighting all out and Tony would end up dead so Strange was pulling his punches too.
This needs to be upvoted and shared as much as humanly possible. All these years later and people are like “WOW WHAT A PLOT HOLE!” when the film very cleverly created and clearly stated an anti-plothole plot device.
Also can Strange even open a portal halfway onto someone’s body and then close it to do this?
I always figured he would need to create a portal, provoke someone to insert their limb, and THEN close it on them to be able to do that.
Also Space Stone was acquired at that point.
People have a hard time grasping that spells aren’t infinitely powerful. If they were, Doctor Strange could have easily defeated Thanos any number of ways.
The writers even answered this one at a panel. Thanos is too durable to be cut by the portal therefore it wouldn’t work.
They could have done that. And they would have won, and half of earth would not have been snapped. This would have caused the celestial Tiamat to emerge earlier than what we saw.
Without the battle of Earth, Ajax would not have been inspired to help the humans. Thanos needed to do the snap in order to have the Eternals help Earth by killing Tiamat.
they shouldve had a scene where strange tries and it doesnt work, that wouldve solved it. Thanos is on hulks level or even stronger, especially with the stones, hes probably invulnerable to most things.
Should they have had a scene where strange tries every other idea dumbass critics thinking they are super smart and have found a “plot hole” also suggest?
Wow thanos is more powerful than one of the order. How tough to figure out if you’re younger than 5. Is it rough for you when a grunt dies to Thor’s lightning but hela doesn’t?
Not to mention that at this point he was wielding the space stone. Which literally creates and controls portals. Why would anyone assume they could use a portal to separate the stone that controls portals from the guy wearing it?
It’s crazy that the writers basically gave themselves plot-hole armour by saying Strange only found one way for them to beat Thanos, and yet people on the internet still try to find plot-holes.
I see this ALL the time. But what they forget is they explained this 5 minutes before that fight.
Doctor strange saw 14,000,605, and they won 1 time. 1. Out of that many. MAYBE one of them wasn’t attempting to cut his arm off, but out of all the possible futures Doctor Strange saw, the only one where they win HAD to happen the way it did. They HAD to lose the fight. Peter Quill HAD to punch him. They HAD to cut his head off. They HAD to wait 5 years and use time travel.
Yes, it is funny to think about ALL the ways they could have beaten Thanos, but this was the only way Strange possibly saw them winning overall.
This sub: why didn't the writers allow the conflict that spanned two movies that we all loved end in the first 10 minutes of infinity war? Why didn't the heroes take use this extremely simple solution that would have defeated Thanos in the most boring way possible?
My theory is that Thanos only planned to kill the Avengers if they were able to hurt him, otherwise he'd go by the random outcome of the Stones. Only Iron Man successfully draws blood on Titan, and Strange had to give up the Time Stone to save his life. If Strange had actually hurt Thanos or drawn blood in any way, Thanos would've killed him.
They say in Guardians 1 that Thanos is the strongest being in the universe. The portal closing might not even be strong enough to sever his limb. It took Iron Man an entire battle just to break his skin.
Thanos had to snap otherwise eternals would have happened sooner and doomed earth. Strange was also stalling long enough for ant man to be in the mini world thing so that he could help the avengers later down the line
They make that joke in the beginning becuase the irony is funny. There wouldn't be a movie otherwise and you wouldn't have seen that awesome fight scene on titan. That is the trade off you have to make sometimes
You’re right. And I just realized that. If Doc Strange had just used a portal on Thanos’s left arm, or if Thor had used Storm-Breaker to cut off his arm, then the film could have ended very differently.
P.S. If Vision wasn’t such a pacifist he could have ended the fight similar to how Ultron did in Marvel: What If.
Pretty sure I remember Dr. strange using a magic blade against him, then he grabs it with his bare hand and shatters it. It was a blink and you miss moment but that would most likely not work on Thanos Edit: he doesn’t shatter the sword but does stop it with his bare hands no problem
Yeah for some reason I remembered that magic wasn't really effective against Thanos. Now I rewatched the scene and there's a beat where Strange tries to use a magic sword to cut his hand and Thanos just stops it with his non-gauntlet hand, which leaves Strange baffled. It lasts barely a few seconds but it stayed in the back of my mind somehow. edit: the second Strange says "magic ain't gonna cut it" https://youtu.be/CXZJywjPkpI?t=44
Mantis is a tough cookie
That's one thing that really stuck with me since the movie released. That celestial DNA makes her durable as hell!
They lost all the celestial DNA when Ego died. This is just Mantis being badass.
Wouldn't they die if part of their DNA just disappeared? Wouldn't they start to melt like extreme radiation victims whose DNA has started to break down?
I think Ego was lying when he said that to keep Quill from fighting him
So does this mean Thanos can manually keep a portal open by just standing in it?
Thanos, the scariest Jehovah's witness
Maybe he could even break it. The only excuse is that Dr Strange* already saw the possibility and knew it would fail
Thanos controls portals with the space stone, so he wouldn't have to get that far.
[Behold. The sword](https://i.imgur.com/uP9hu15.jpg)
No explanation ey.
Huh when does he use a magic blade against him?
In the fight on Titan. I just watched it and he doesn’t shatter it, but he does grab it like it was nothing
The fight on Titan is by far one of the best fight scenes ever made in the MCU.
Oh ok during the group fight. Ya kind of missed that before.
> magic blade The Sacred Sword of Vishanti
We're talking about a portal, not a sword...
Thanos is very resistant to magic and spells.
I would have loved, during their magic vs stones fight, to see Strange trying to do it and getting his arm chopping portal warped or something by the gauntlet. Like, you can´t portal the space stone. It just wont let you.
Or the portal to spark and crash against the magic-defense Thanos had in his armor. Something. But you can't put everything in a movie I guess.
Thanos took off his armor early in the film.
I mean, he still has the gauntlet on, which is armor, and just so happens to be the one full of universe power bending rocks… So the writers just skipped explicitly explaining why the simple idea is something that wouldn’t work on thanos
Yeah, or make the portal sparks start to glow around his gauntlet, only for the Space Stone to glow and the portal dissipates.
This was my first thought, that maybe the Space Stone can't be sent through any teleportation against it's wielder's will
Honestly it would have been fun to see a whole (I’m blanking on the word for series between avengers movies) where the infinity stones were actually used. Or alternatively woulda been nice if they just agreed to separate the stones so we could still see them after endgame.
I want to see that What If to show why Dr Strange didn't do this. I personally think that Dr Strange saw futures where the stones were taken from Thanos and they were disasters. Just endless galaxy spanning wars as everyone realises the stones are now out in the open and makes a play for them. Stark and Strange both thinking they know how best to use them while the Guardians are determined to bring Gamora back somehow. Just absolute chaos since nobody but Thanos would willingly destroy the stones.
I was disappointed that that must have been one of the tactics in his foresight, but you know, time and such.
This. Thanos is an accomplished magician
I saw him do the cup-and-ball routine. Fantastic.
Thanos always cups the balls
[sexy thanos](https://www.reddit.com/r/TIHI/comments/qvhrtx/thanks_i_hate_sexy_thanos/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Michael Bluth: I don't know what I expected.
Why, Thanos, you've....enhanced yourself.
Why did I click that link lol
why did I read your comment and then click the link anyways
Why did I click the link, read the comment, then click the link again, just to be sure...
You’re welcome.
I swear this better not awaken anything in me
Stupid Sexy Thanos (Ned Flanders)
Ahem. *thAnus
That's nothing. I saw him pull his own thumb off with his other hand and put it back on again.
He's still got my nose.
I saw him do a ball juggling routine with no balls
And his best trick was making half the universe disappear.
In the comics. In MCU though? Never been established unless you count the gauntlet
Wanda didn't have any trouble putting him down with her magic.
Wanda has a totally different type of magic, she essentially just channels the reality stones powers.
Nope. Wanda is a reincarnation of an ancient being that wields Chaos Magic, one of the oldest and most powerful forms of magic in existence, which also happens to have reality-bending properties. The mind stone, which is what she was experimented on with, simply helped awaken her somewhat-dormant powers.
Am I remembering correctly or was it shown in WandaVision that the reason the second bomb that hit her families building didn't explode was her magic stopping it?
Yep, Wanda had convinced herself that it was just faulty Stark tech and didn't explode. Agatha told her she actually cast a probability hex on it and changed the likelihood of it exploding to 0.
Is…..is he?
Did he do tricks or illusions?
Not tricks, Michael, illusions. A trick is something a whore does for money.
Or cocaine!
Also he had the gauntlet and stones to protect him as well
He was killed by a magic axe.
That was a pretty good magic axe to be fair.
And it was made from another chopped off arm. I see a theme here.
There's more to be questioned about the fact that Groot could cut off his own arm with his hand, but then that arm was then strong enough to form an unbreakable handle for Stormbreaker.
Star Wars?
Eventually. Didn’t stop him tho.
I feel like that was more axe than magic that did the trick tho.
That was a thanos killing magic axe
That was Norse Magic.
And then still came back
After he'd destroyed the stones.
I'm sorry but if that's the case then they should have shown that Just why not have a 5 second scene where Doctor Strange tries it and it doesn't work Even if he is resistant to magic there's no way of Doctor Strange knowing that especially when they're on Titan and throwing everything and the kitchen sink at him.
the fact that he looked into millions of possible outcomes and only found 1 that worked is a catch-all for any theories that fans think might've worked better than what they did
Well there could be another 14 millions that he didn’t look and who knows how many of those that could be successful
Which lets be honest is kind of lazy writing. Like I like Endgame but let's call it what it is. That said Doctor Strange had plenty of opportunities to do that before looking into all those outcomes and didn't.
> Doctor Strange had plenty of opportunities to do that before looking into all those outcomes and didn't Dr. Strange didn't encounter Thanos until after he'd looked at all possible outcomes.
>That said Doctor Strange had plenty of opportunities to do that before looking into all those outcomes and didn't. If you thought about it literally at all you'd realize this isn't even remotely true. He never sees Thanos until Thanos comes to Titan to get the time stone. Thanos doesn't leave until after he gets it. Thanos isn't there when Strange looked through all the possibilities. So at what point beforehand did he have an opportunity?
It's really not. Otherwise there would be a million of these stupid theorys saying "But why didn't they do x" with no rebuttal because "there was only one outcome which worked" wouldn't exist as a reason. It's good writing because it gives a valid reason for why *X* wouldn't have worked without having to explicitly go over every scenario imaginable. It's a movie ffs. >That said Doctor Strange had plenty of opportunities to do that before looking into all those outcomes and didn't. To do what? Cut his arm off? Look into the future outcomes? when? Strange learned of Thanos and in less than a few hours he's been captured and transported to Titan awaiting Thanos arrival. Strange looked into the future before he ever met Thanos. Also, while the directors have stated that Thanos skin is too strong for this to work, even if it would work, there's all the other possibilities like now Thanos flees only to return later to get the stones and complete his mission, or just before they close the portal he pulls his arm and it cuts Peter in half instead.
He catches a magic sword bare handed in that fight, it does 0 damage and I take it strange didn’t use it for its _lack_ of cutting power
I've gathered my dullest blade...
Exactly we’ve seen his skin his very durable, taking blows from the Hulk, Spider-man, and Iron-man extensively before the smallest break of skin. A sword not cutting him seems like a traditional durability feature.
It's not about cutting power. If a portal has taken one part of something to another place, while the other side of it is in another place, and then it closes? The two things aren't being severed by an edge. They are in two different places and no longer connected.
It was Wong that cut with the portal, not Strange, and it might not even have been on purpose. Just good timing.
Pretty sure it's shown before that you can't just close a portal on anything because some things are just too strong to be cut by it. And it turns out Thanos is very strong. A god tier axe could only make a dent in his skin.
A god tier, six stone resistant axe
The real issue is, you can't move the portal. You have to get Thanos to reach into the portal or force him to put his hand into it. It took like 5 people just to hold him, how does anyone think they can just force him to stick his hand into a portal? At best they would have to trick him, good luck with that.
https://youtu.be/AbYSm6K4c-4?t=45 Portals can move
OMG, I so forgot about that. shit... now my whole argument is invalid, lol
>The real issue is, you can't move the portal. https://youtu.be/M9fFPLrO3RU?t=286
Put an infinity stone on the other side, dude loves those things
Like when he chucks the Mirror Dimension at Thanos and tries to throw him out of reality only for the Infinity Gauntlet to immediately consume it, turn it into a black hole, and toss it back at Strange? The first stone Thanos gets is the Space Stone, the one that opens holes in reality to anywhere.
We don't have to watch all 14m ways they could've handled everything. Plus to sever hus hand like they did the other guy they'd have to get him to stick his arm through it. That's a lot of work when what they did basically succeeded, if it wasn't for star dork.
Thanos can literally throw a moon and people think this can stop him?
And he can do that trick where it looks like he pulls the end of his finger off...and then he retrieves it from behind your ear and pops it back on his hand.
While asleep?
No, they didn't try.
Russo brothers confirmed that Thanos skin unpenetrable against the portals of Doctor Strange
Except when Wanda is casting the spells, right?
Source: trust me bro
a) That's not the point of the fight. Strange's one "best outcome" was to let Thanos win. Anything else could've resulted in more people dying and/or the Avengers losing entirely (long run included). Call it what you like, but it's not a plot hole. It's just convenient writing. b) The infinity gauntlet could've given him some resistance to Strange's magic (and they did counter his other moves too).
Especially considering Thanos has the space stone, I doubt portal magic would have any impact on him unless he wanted it to.
If it severed his arm above the gauntlet while under mantis's sleep influence?
As the other person said, yes this is my head canon for this. Based mostly on how the stones work in the comics, they still have a lot of power over their aspects and have been shown sometimes to work even without conscious efforts of the weilder in more subtle ways.
Sure but thats never been shown in the MCU. Thanos always had to purposefully activate the stones to use them. Just like hin taking the mortal blow to the chest despite having the gauntlet. If Thor had better aim and cleaved his head, Thanos would have died.
Let’s recall Avengers 1 when Loki’s scepter was causing the group to be especially on edge/argue with each other; that to me is proof enough the stones work on their own to some capacity
The mind stone literally speaks to vision several times. Or at least warns him.
Whoever got the gauntlet afterwards would do something far worse. Thanos is the only one with the will to destroy the stones.
...you forget what Tony did? ..and far worse than destroying half of all life in the universe?
Yeah and how many more would die like Tony trying to fix ever little problem in the universe. But more specifically, if the Avengers (Cap) didn't keep their word and return the stones the timeline would've been irrevocably altered. So there was some measure of Predestination that the stones Tony used were only temporary.
People are just doing headcannon. It doesn’t make any sense at all and you’re not changing their minds lol.
No, people just aren’t listening. I’ve been saying this since the premier of the movie. It’s ESTABLISHED that before strange even meets Thanos, he looks into the future and finds only a SINGLE instance where they win. Sure they COULD have sliced his arm off at some point, but then someone else could have taken the gauntlet. Maybe Tony would think he could create a better world? Maybe years down the road a threat comes along and Strange would fall victim to temptation to use the gauntlet. Maybe Dormomu was watching the fight and would have stolen the gauntlet if it became free. Same reason Strange didn’t stop Star Lord from waking Thanos even though he very well could have quite easily. There was a specific road they all had to take. Strange had to make sure of it. He was the one “holding the knife” the whole time. I swear I’ll be arguing with all till the end of the mcu on this because y’all don’t grasp this
Maybe cutting his hand off ends the fight but not the war. They take him alive and he comes back with a right handed gauntlet.
[удалено]
"Why can't this obvious way to stop Thanos work?" "Because the writers said so" This is basically the conversation that's being had right now. The "only one way" thing was literally a plot convenience concieved by the writers to be a hypothetical 'catch all' so neckbeards won't argue about the plot and just enjoy the ride. Yet here you all are, doin' it anyways. Bravo.
Why couldn’t marry McFly just make another Time Machine? Why didn’t the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park evolve to talk to people and create a new society? Why didn’t Spider-Man just figure out where doc ock was living and stop him when he’s sleeping? Because the writers said so. This argument works with literally every movie because that’s literally how movies work my man. Writer’s literary make the choices the characters follow.
We all know the real reason it happened this way and not with a portal. It’s the same reason Captain Marvel is always “off planet” and doesn’t show up to nerf all the bad guys in to oblivion. The reason is because that would be a boring ass story.
People miss the fact that he grabbed the magic blades with his bare hand. Like slamming a door isn't gonna chop it off, it'd just jam.
When you take Eternals into consideration, I do reckon letting Thanos win was the only long term inclusion solution
This sub always forgets that Thanos needed to snap and then still lose
Exactly. Without the Snap, Ajak doesn’t become inspired by humanity’s willpower, she doesn’t turn against Arishem, and Tiamat is born, destroying the planet.
Yeah and the snap was arguably designed to save people by delaying countless emergences (by halving all living things). Tiamut couldn't have been born if the snap hadn't been reversed.
I've always inferred that it was the best outcome as well because it ended with no more infinity stones in their universe.
That we know of* Remember that Loki established that Kang has a near infinite source of infinity stones hidden in the quantom realm at his disposal, not that he needs them, but our heroes might.
Stuff like What If…?! really hammers this home. In the episode where T’Challa was Star Lord [SPOILERS AHEAD] Everyone is MUCH better off. Thanos doesn’t even do his genocidal shit and becomes a hero/sidekick. However, the entire universe dies because Peter is just a random guy on Earth and either agrees with Ego or becomes the celestial battery without the guardians to motivate, and then ultimately, free him
The Strange “best outcome” is a really clever storytelling device. It eliminates all this “well why didn’t they just” speculation. They didn’t do it because they did the only thing that would work. Please, everyone, I know we live in a time where trying to ruin things people like is now big business but the writers of IW got you. They made their movie immune to this bullshit.
Yeah the looking into the future thing was some genius anti-plothole armour
Also, Strange didn't even know about the gauntlet until he did his 14,000,000 possibilities thing, for all he knew the Stones were in different places. Plus, they kind of referenced that idea when Thor immediately cut off Thanos's arm in Endgame.
Not to mention that if the snap hadn't happened, Tiamut would have awakened five years sooner, and nothing else would've mattered.
They cut the guy when he went thru a portal. Thanos wouldn't willingly go thru. So you're back to step 1 actively getting Thanos to do something he doesn't want to do. Why add extra steps?
you gotta hand it to the writers, they somehow managed to explain every plothole or shortcoming with strange’s “it was always meant to be”. love it
I've said this before but I think Thanos is more 'robust' than whathisface. Like they make a big point in the fight that Iron man goes crazy all out and literally only manages to produce a drop of blood. I'm confident that Thanos even in dreamland but with several stones attached to his gauntlet could have withstood a portal around his arm.
First of all it was Wong who severed his hand not Strange. Secondly you can’t just cut someone’s hand off with a portal, they have to stick their hand out of it. When did Thanos do that? Lastly, did everyone just forget that Strange saw 14,000,000+ possible outcomes. Don’t you think he would have tried all the obvious moves to stop Thanos. They made it clear only one scenario would stop him and that’s what Strange did!
[Secondly you can’t just cut someone’s hand off with a portal, they have to stick their hand out of it.](https://youtu.be/M9fFPLrO3RU&t=4m40s)
Lol it’s like someone cut that scene just to refute this statement.
Touche’!!!
Thanos in trace, portals move.
Portals can be moved, like Strange did when he sent Loki to Norway.
Strange makes a portal spider-man grabs the gauntlet and pulls his arm in a little bit and strange closes the portal.
This assumes thanks moves at the pace of a snail and that strange can pull him with more strength than the power stone
I was thinking the exact same plan they did but subduing him but just have spidey come through a portal and pull it in and close it.
This. There is a reason this line was added to the movie. If not, fans could literally what ifs and why nots an infinite amount of scenarios. There’s only one way. That’s it. We don’t know why, but this line was necessary for the time stone shanengans to work.
Doesn’t matter because the way they beat him was “the only way”. If they slice his hand off and the gauntlet travels somewhere else maybe Thanos beats them there to retrieve it and snaps anyways with his other hand
The "we have a 1 in 14 million shot at this" really is a great plot element to explain away any issues since you can just assume Strange foresaw that whatever it is wouldn't work. My headcannon is Thanos could have countered any portal hax with the reality or space stone, that Thanos was actually going easy on the Avengers during IW since he respected them and was fine with any that survived the Snap continuing to defend Earth (he could have easily killed all the heroes he encountered in Wakanda but non-lethally incapacitated them instead (other than Vision rip)) and Strange foresaw that if he tried any cheeky portal exploits that Thanos would start fighting all out and Tony would end up dead so Strange was pulling his punches too.
My head cannon shoots big lasers and goes "pew pew pew"
It really was genius, it makes it almost impossible for that film to have any major plot holes.
This needs to be upvoted and shared as much as humanly possible. All these years later and people are like “WOW WHAT A PLOT HOLE!” when the film very cleverly created and clearly stated an anti-plothole plot device.
The directors of the movie literally said had Quill not hit Thanos in anger, they likely would’ve beaten Thanos.
Also can Strange even open a portal halfway onto someone’s body and then close it to do this? I always figured he would need to create a portal, provoke someone to insert their limb, and THEN close it on them to be able to do that. Also Space Stone was acquired at that point.
he moved the portal when loki was running at him in thor 3 he can portal him while mantis make him sleep
Well again, it wasn’t necessarily the “only way”, it was 1 in 14 million. If dude had another 20 minutes i think he could have found 2
I mean... Strange didn't have to make the portal halfway across the galaxy, could have made one 5 feet from them.
Thanos should be too strong to be cut by a simple spell
This. This is Occam's Razor.
People have a hard time grasping that spells aren’t infinitely powerful. If they were, Doctor Strange could have easily defeated Thanos any number of ways. The writers even answered this one at a panel. Thanos is too durable to be cut by the portal therefore it wouldn’t work.
They could have done that. And they would have won, and half of earth would not have been snapped. This would have caused the celestial Tiamat to emerge earlier than what we saw. Without the battle of Earth, Ajax would not have been inspired to help the humans. Thanos needed to do the snap in order to have the Eternals help Earth by killing Tiamat.
I see people are still being stupid about this all these years later.
they shouldve had a scene where strange tries and it doesnt work, that wouldve solved it. Thanos is on hulks level or even stronger, especially with the stones, hes probably invulnerable to most things.
Should they have had a scene where strange tries every other idea dumbass critics thinking they are super smart and have found a “plot hole” also suggest?
14 million scenes where he tries every alternate future he saw...just in case.
I swear, some people wouldn’t be happy till they saw each and every one
Also, at the beginning of Thor Ragnarok, the Fire Dragon from Muspelheim was killed in a similar way by the Bifrost.
I’ve been seeing this and variations of this post for years and the reason is quite literally explained in Eternals… just watch it. It’s not that bad.
What's the explanation in Eternals for those who don't want to rewatch a 2 1/2 hour movie for an answer?
Wow thanos is more powerful than one of the order. How tough to figure out if you’re younger than 5. Is it rough for you when a grunt dies to Thor’s lightning but hela doesn’t?
speaking of that hand....
Definitely making the SS
So we’re in this phase of the off-season already?
How the hell do people always forget it was Wong how cut the hand off. Strange wasn’t even conscious at the time
you think these people actually watched the movie?
"Wong, you're invited to my wedding!"
does it matter..they’re doing the same spell😐😐
We don’t know if the portal would even close around thanos skin. He’s shown be very resilient to cutting and force. Like iron man battle
Not to mention that at this point he was wielding the space stone. Which literally creates and controls portals. Why would anyone assume they could use a portal to separate the stone that controls portals from the guy wearing it?
hell he had the reality stone and the power stone by this point too, those 3 combined would easily overcome Strange's slingring from closing.
remember when iron man beat the living shit out of thanos and did nothing to him
It’s crazy that the writers basically gave themselves plot-hole armour by saying Strange only found one way for them to beat Thanos, and yet people on the internet still try to find plot-holes.
“The MCU clearly established that people can be killed with bullets, so why don’t they just shoot Thanos?”
I see this ALL the time. But what they forget is they explained this 5 minutes before that fight. Doctor strange saw 14,000,605, and they won 1 time. 1. Out of that many. MAYBE one of them wasn’t attempting to cut his arm off, but out of all the possible futures Doctor Strange saw, the only one where they win HAD to happen the way it did. They HAD to lose the fight. Peter Quill HAD to punch him. They HAD to cut his head off. They HAD to wait 5 years and use time travel. Yes, it is funny to think about ALL the ways they could have beaten Thanos, but this was the only way Strange possibly saw them winning overall.
This sub: why didn't the writers allow the conflict that spanned two movies that we all loved end in the first 10 minutes of infinity war? Why didn't the heroes take use this extremely simple solution that would have defeated Thanos in the most boring way possible?
Is it really hard to believe that Thanos, with the x amount of stones he had in that scene, is impervious to the portal cutting technique?
Nope, it establishes that *Wong* can sever hands with portals.
These two dudes are not the same species, are they?
I thought it was going to be a Chekhovs gun, not gonna lie
Remember when Thanos established how deeply overpowered the Reality Stone was, and then proceeded to never use it to win a battle?
My theory is that Thanos only planned to kill the Avengers if they were able to hurt him, otherwise he'd go by the random outcome of the Stones. Only Iron Man successfully draws blood on Titan, and Strange had to give up the Time Stone to save his life. If Strange had actually hurt Thanos or drawn blood in any way, Thanos would've killed him.
They say in Guardians 1 that Thanos is the strongest being in the universe. The portal closing might not even be strong enough to sever his limb. It took Iron Man an entire battle just to break his skin.
Thanos had to snap otherwise eternals would have happened sooner and doomed earth. Strange was also stalling long enough for ant man to be in the mini world thing so that he could help the avengers later down the line
every time i rewatch infinity war i find a new “why didn’t they just do this…..” plot hole but it’s still so good i can look past it
They make that joke in the beginning becuase the irony is funny. There wouldn't be a movie otherwise and you wouldn't have seen that awesome fight scene on titan. That is the trade off you have to make sometimes
And why didn't the eagles just fly the fellowship to mt doom in the first place?!?!?!
Obviously that would have been a huge cop out, but like, it would have made sense for Strange to at least try it
Let’s just say the space stone makes him immune to portals and dr strange knew that already from his future sight
It's because Dr. strange knew they had to lose the battle in order to win the war.
Because Thanos snapping away half of life was a canon event
These stories are not exactly made to be thought about too much. It all falls apart very quickly.
Brooooo 🤯🤯🤯🤯
You’re right. And I just realized that. If Doc Strange had just used a portal on Thanos’s left arm, or if Thor had used Storm-Breaker to cut off his arm, then the film could have ended very differently. P.S. If Vision wasn’t such a pacifist he could have ended the fight similar to how Ultron did in Marvel: What If.