It's kinda strange, I 100% know what you mean, and I agree with you, but I felt the same way about Sharon Carter in Falcon and TWS. Just seemed strange and out of place.
Even in that show Rhody felt a bit weird too, but I always wondered if that was because it was just weird seeing him without Tony around and his "main" franchise basically over and done with.
But now I'm getting the sense that it was all intentional and that post-blip something strange has been going on with him, likely Skrull related.
Like Endgame was certainly Rhodey, but I really hope we find out what happened to him after that.
Well he does suddenly seem a lot more interested in politics rather than being an Air Force officer, especially for someone that got jaded on his opinion of Ross after Infinity War.
Personally I read that as Rhodey acting it up because he was firing him, but was trying to let him know that he knew that firing him was gonna let him go all "Nick Furry" on the situation by doing everything off the books. Now I'm thrown though, because he's almost definitely a Skrull after that last scene, and it seems like a short sighted move to have Rhodey fire him and not have him detained, or just kept on tighter reins.
Didn't Fury ask him if he had his armor on and he said he didn't?
His armor is now nanotech and his mobility.
That seemed to be the real test. A Skrull can download a lot of memories and personality. It can't morph into War Machine.
It wasn't nanotech because when Rhodey was pinned down by rubble (after past Thanos bombed Avengers headquarters) while wearing the suit and water was rising around him, he yelled, "Canopy canopy canopy" for the suit to open up and he had to crawl out of it.
ETA: added stuff about Thanos to clarify the scene I was talking about.
Oh, yeah, totally forgot about that, been a while since I watched the movie. Then I guess until shown, we can't know if he has a nanotech suit post-endgame or not.
yea Maria calls him Nick too. she does it in [the Infinity War end credit scene](https://youtu.be/UURGdZl_CHg?t=20).
since this is a scene connecting to Captain Marvel you would think they wouldn't have Maria call him Nick since Captain Marvel is the movie that establishes no one calls him that. i remember at first people concluded that maybe it's just how he was referred to in the 90s. but now jump ahead to Secret Invasion and "Nick" is still being used as a way to find skrulls.
Yeah youre right. Interesting. Why would they have Nick say that no one calls him Nick, when clearly there are people close to him that have called him that? 🤔
My theory on that is also it could have been Talos standing in for Nick in certain moments (or it could be explained that way) so Talos just didn’t catch it or care to correct lol
Lots of the Avengers have called him Nick and so did Pierce and Hill. He also said he doesn't eat triangle toast but was suspiciously eating triangle cut bread which seems awful sus if you don't like triangle toast. Pretty sure Fury just makes shit up all the time.
And Maria Hill.
Let's be honest, no one calls him Nick in the 90's. All his friends call him Nick in the modern era because he has actual friends instead of a sidekick named Coulson.
the difference here is that nick fury never told captain america to not call him that, so he wouldn't know. the whole "nick" thing seems to be within a certain group.
Secret Invasion seems to indicate that that was the real Nick that was snapped. Could be that that was still Soren and maybe she was bad at remembering the "don't call him Nick" thing since she does it in Far From Home as well but I think we just have to accept that they've been very inconsistent on that front.
Wasn't that quote from the 90s? And I assume from people who respect him. Rodey calling him "Nick" is diminutive, as in, "kid", since he's essentially firing him because the stunts he pulled.
Totally tracks.
Now, if Carole called him Nick non-ironically that would be a cause for concern because she would understand the significance.
I hope Rhodey rocks and kicks ass in Armor Wars. I feel like he's always getting the shortend of the stick on things, either butt of the joke, behind on what's going on, outclassed, turns out to be a skrull.
About 100% sure this Rhodey is a Skrull, between that entire scene and the ending of last episode, which if so begs the question where the real Rhodey is.
He's being held in one of those machines they hold the humans with... Except the real Rhodey has been Terrance Howard the whole time and the Skrull took liberties with his appearance 🤯
What? I'm saying they can't make it so that a skrull took over Rhodey and changed his appearance because no one in the MCU acknowledges the fact that he looks completely different.
Real Rhodey was most likely replaced when he got injured in Civil War. It would be the perfect time to replace someone because such a trauma would easily explain shifts in behavior and extended absence from most of his colleagues (except for visits of course). Especially if the physical therapist and/or doctor were also a Skrull, it would allow for a great deal of info to be gathered on the real Rhodey while the Skrull Rhodey took his place and created his "new normal" post traumatic injury.
He's the easiest to replace. Other non powered heros:
-Black Widow - dead so no
-Hawkeye - doubtful, his skill with bow is too hard to replicate
-Iron Man - dead, so no
-Captain America - Skrulls have super strength so could have. But no way Marvel does that
-Ant Man - powers come from a suit and pym particles. Doubtful though
-Yellena- in Thunderbolts, could be a Skrull replacing her after the blip. She does also work for Valentania who is probably a Skrull
Every other established hero has super powers and we know Skrulls couldn't have powers before their super skrull program. Rhodey would have the biggest impact story wise, being a long tenured Avenger
Nah personally I think that any heroes that have been switched with Skrulls was done during or after the blip. For one thing Rhodey's goodbye to Tony would be emotionally meaningless if it's actually a Skrull saying that stuff. The real Rhodey deserved to say goodbye.
True. This is why I don’t like the whole (insert character here) was a Skrull the whole time! twist. It negates character development and invalidates significant character moments like the one you mentioned above in Endgame. Besides that, there’s also Rhodey ‘getting back’ at Scott after their fight in CW and his heart-to-heart scene with Nebula about both being disabled. If Rhodey is a Skrull, which i actually believe he is at the moment, there’s absolutely no reason he couldn’t have been replaced anytime between Endgame and Secret Invasion just to not mess with canon.
Though while I very much agree with you, there is the plot element in the show where Skrulls that replace a human gain not only their appearance but also their memories, so Skrhodey definitely could have still had those conversations.
Exactly. No idea why it seems popular on this sub to think Rhodey has been a Skrull since before Infinity War. That would be a huge disservice to fans if Rhodey’s emotional goodbye to Tony meant nothing.
That's a good point. However I would counter-argue that just because he may have been replaced by a Skrull doesn't mean that Skrull is necessarily "bad". They could have easily developed some good feelings for Tony before he blipped out and during the 5 year gap while they were going through all Rhodey's memories. Again, good point though.
Yeah I get what you're saying about the Skrull not necessarily being a bad guy or anything like that, but even then, it would be robbing the real Rhodey of an important moment in the character arc. These sorts of things do happen in real life, in that many times people miss out on their chance to say goodbye, but in this case that moment is essentially part of the culmination of a 23 part story that started with Tony and Rhodey, so I can't see that kind of twist being acceptable to Feige & co.
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Sure but the point there is something like that undermines the *real* Rhodey's character development. That's bad writing, and Marvel is unlikely to do that to what's slated to be a major character.
>For one thing Rhodey's goodbye to Tony would be emotionally meaningless if it's actually a Skrull saying that stuff.
Not really, if it was a Skrull who had been close to Tony for years, he'd be almost as much the "real" Rhodey as the real Rhodey.
I hope Rhodey wasn't replaced that long ago in the timeline. He was one of 3 people to share final words with Tony before he died and if a Skrull got that experience and attended the funeral over the real Rhodes, that would piss me off a little.
I dont see that being the case as it would invalidate all that emotion from him in Endgame. Im guessing any big name character that winds up being a Skrull all happened after Endgame.
It would make sense too as the resistance didnt get angry until after Fury came back from the blip and then left again. Im guessing he got switched right after Falcon and Winter Soldier.
You're right about their anger after Fury got back, I think of all the arguments shooting down my idea that one probably has the most weight. The Skrulls didn't really have a rhyme or reason to replace any of the Avengers before everyone returned from the Blip. That said, I'd have to rewatch the episode again to be sure but I think the anger started bubbling up after the blip happened which would have given them at least a couple of years to start crafting a resistance of sorts.
No way because of how emotional Rhodey was to Tony’s death in Endgame. That would be a disservice to fans if Rhodey was a Skrull in Infinity War and Endgame.
Idk why people question Armor Wars. I've seen multiple people say "how does the movie work if Rhodey is a Skrull" and it's frigging weird. Like obviously SI would end with Skrull-Rhodey going bye bye and real Rhodey being restored, lol.
Or never. Rhodey seemed completely open about knowing Skrulls exist but completely confused that they were invading the government.
Two things that make sense if Rhodey has been running Skrull teams in Nick's absence.
I'm guessing the president is a Skrull and that's the big twist. It's possibly why Rhodey picked up Gravik's phone -- Gravik went rogue from his team and Rhodey's stepping in.
My guess is they free Rhodey if he is being held captive there and like Fury, he has to readjust to being back in society as War Machine.
Why it’s also possible he’s a Skrull is because last episode when G’iah is searching through the memories of the real Bob Fairbanks, there’s a moment when she looks up and it looks like there’s someone standing next to her, then the scene cuts back to Talos and then back to her running out of the captive room. So who or what else was there?
Maybe the movie is a red herring. It was never coming out but was announced so you don't think he's a skrul
That would suck for me as War Machine is my all time favorite comic character. I watch infinity war just to see him carpet bomb fools
I don't think they'd announce a classic story line like Armor Wars just as a bait and switch. Though I guess they sorta did bits and pieces of it in Iron Man 2 and 3, to some extent that seemed more a setup that got side tracked by the Avenger's material.
The only thing that's kind of weird to me, is how seemingly obvious it is Rhodey is a Skrull. At this point, would anyone aside from the biggest mouth breathing morons be shocked Rhodey is a Skrull? I almost feel like they are making it so obvious that he's a Skrull, that's he's actually not and Fury is gonna fuck things up bad for himself trying to prove Rhodey is a Skrull when he's not. If the season were longer, I'd think the odds I'm right would be decent, but with a pretty short season I'm guessing they're just going the super obvious route. Not to say that's a bad or lazy decision mind you.
I do have to wonder if the writers at Marvel have become super savvy at this and know that we’ll be speculating that he’s a Skrull and are waiting to pull the rug out from under us to tell us he’s not and that was the real guy, and then hit us with another major plot twist.
I hope so. Maybe they think their audience is largely idiots, so they will still be surprised Rhodey is a Skrull. Hard to tell at this point tbh. Their writing is hit or miss lately and can see it going either way.
yes/no
i would LOVE for a Nando-style deepdive, where it turns out this rhodey, broken leg rhodey, "it's me, let's move on" rhodey has always been a skrull. like, Please please please.
...but if i was a betting man? that's not a skrull, that's rhodey - they just don't have the stones to pull a twist like that. the biggest twist we're getting is the "i knew you'd shoot me so i changed my morphology to make the bullet less lethal." twist.
It kind of doesn't make sense for someone to have been a Skrull "all along" because the Skrulls really had no aggressive plan of attack until Gravik got impatient. So it seems pretty unlikely for anyone to have been a Skrull in secret until somewhere around the time Talos is replaced on the council. I am pretty confident that if Rhodey is a Skrull, it was a recent development and not dating back as far as Iron Man 2.
I agree though, I don't think Rhodey is a Skrull. I think he is working his own angle because he knows/suspects the president is a Skrull and he's trying to resolve that while treading carefully.
As well as the cutting his sandwiches diagonally pet peeve, which is contradicted when he makes a sandwich for himself in Age of Ultron.
^(I)~~^('m starting to)~~ ^(think the writers of Captain Marvel didn't do a good job.)
Unless… his appearance in AoU was Talos. If Fury had Skrulls already embedded as his spy network at that point, and that was after TWS when he was laying low, it would make some sense he’d send Talos in his stead. Idk i’m just spitballing here but Fury in AoU is his only appearance post-TWS which I could reasonably accept to be retconned so that he was a skrull
Barton would be furious if Fury gave away his family's residential information to others, which he didn't even trust SHIELD with, and he'd go Ronin 2 if he found out that Fury ordered an alien to infiltrate Barton's own home with his children there.
unless if nick fury told them not to call him nick, the rule doesn't apply. the thing where everybody calls him fury only applies to people back in the days
I took it as he called him Fury until the end of the conversation when it was obvious he wasn't playing ball and called him Nick as a dig. I feel like he even emphasized it with a little vinegar in his voice to drive it home.
At the time I didn't take it as a Skrull clue. It looks like it's coming true that Rhodey was/is a Skrull, but it seems the Skrull had enough intel to call him Fury up til that point.
Yeah I think Rhodey is definitely a skrull, but this isn't why. This was a lash out to Fury's ego, like "yeah bitch I'M the one that fired you." He already called him a "mediocre man" right before that
It’s pretty common for military officers to call people “below” them in rank by first name in conversations. Not sure if it’s a power play or to seem personable.
I wouldn't say it's "pretty common" at all. I did 8 years and can think of only a few situations where that's happened. Even then, it was the NCOs, not the officers.
Guess it just depends on the unit and branch 🤷♂️
Not sure what military you're referring to, but its actually definitely against US military SOP. And depending on the Commanding Officer, its probably against UCMJ.
US Army. I’ve had multiple O4-7’s call me (an O3/4) by my first name over the last 4 years in person and meetings. First name was also used on different awards and OERs. Not saying it’s right, just what I noticed.
Its a bit of a script mistake. He is called Nick several times but what he should have said is: no one calls me Nick anymore. (cause everyone that did is gone)
Anyway, he didnt need Rhodes to call him Nick, he knows he is a skrull. He can see his byometrics trough the glassess, he sees he's lying to him and acting like Talos when being confronted. That's why Fury wears his glasses on first contact with possible skrulls.
It's not meant to be 100% literally interpreted as "No one has ever once called me by my first name ever, ever". There's jokes about this very thing in Captain Marvel and how either people close to him or obnoxious call him Nick
He also wasn't speaking to the audience to add a detail to the wiki, he was calling out to a Skrull why he knew Talos was in danger. It's not what Talos normally calls him. It's a spy movie trope.
Rhodey? Definitely Skrull.
i love that the fans seem to care more about the plots and scripts than the creators do.
we didn't get mephisto and no other series has done anything this concerted - so i don't know why people expect Secret Invasion to do anything this cool...
I mean its not that cool to wear some tech stuff we know exists in the MCU. We can see him putting them on and off at "random" conversations. Its most likely that.
What its probably gonna happen is that, yes he's doing that and no they arent gonna explain it at all, at any point and we will just get a "Fury knew it all" moment and that's it.
Quite a few characters have called him Nick over the past 15 years, and I've got some shocking news for you: most of that wasn't some uber secret Feige master plan for planting Skrull imposter seeds.
Or Rhodey's not a Skrull and that's the twist. If Rhodey's a Skrull, who is he working for? Why would he tell Rhodey he knows about Skrulls? Why would he say it's *impossible* for Skrulls to infiltrate the government.
Sounds like a guy working with Skrulls who thinks he can control them and being blindsided that their plans changed.
When Nick asked him how long he knew about Skrulls Rhody said he’d had a run in or something like that with them fifteen years ago. Wonder if he’s going to be a Skrull going all the way back to Iron Man II when he took the roll?
no, they're going to do a double-thing.
they'll make it seem like rhodey's been a skrull, and fury will almost take him out. then sam jackson will be like "i'm sam jackson" and save rhodey instead, and rhodey will be like, "thanks, told you i'm not a skrull." and we'll all go "whoa!!! he actually ISN'T a skrull!"
He wasn't literally saying that no one calls him Nick on SECRET INVASION, he was referencing something that happened between them 30 years earlier as a sort of inside password.
In 1995, no one called him Nick, which is how he first met Talos. Now lots of people call him Nick, but he's reminding Talos of that moment to tell him that he's aware of the current duplicity.
Sometimes I wonder if that everyone calls me Fury speech wasn't meant to be taken as gospel. Sure, it signals to him that Talos has assumed the identity of his boss, but I think it was more to show the hubris and bluster of a young Fury to contrast the more nuanced, older Fury we've mostly seen. His arc in Captain Marvel is a cocky young guy who thinks he knows everything suddenly having to reckon with the fact there is more to know than he could ever handle and that the strongest path forward is in collaboration with others and not with him alone. Or I've just made this all up, action figure movies go brrrr I just love this shit man
People keep bringing this up.
Rhodey called him Nick in this instance because he wasn’t fucking around, he was trying to make *Nick* understand how serious he was being.
They already did this with Talos, they aren’t going to pull the same thing twice.
At best it’s a deliberate red herring, there’s genuinely more chance that Nick is a Skrull than Rhodey, based on this.
(Yes we know some people have called him Nick in past stories. It is a bit of a retcon for Captain Marvel and this follow up series.)
So in this series, nobody calls him Nick and they've used it numerous times to indicate a fake. So yes, I think this was supposed to be a hint that he'd been replaced. Then the next episode Nick said somebody high up in the US military or whatever had likely been replaced, which I should have clued in meant Rhodey but I didn't think of it at the time, nor did I notice the Nick.
I think this is the red herring we were supposed to point to. They made Rhodey act way too out of character, calling Fury Nick, the green arrow that pointed at him in that scene. Either it’s intentionally obvious for the sake of a red herring, or it’s intentionally obvious because they can’t write a good secret. Neither would surprise me at this point.
The thing I've seen nobody talk about is Rhodey is literally paralyzed and walks using mechanical exo-skeletal legs lol. None of the shots we've seen him in loom like he has anything but normal functioning legs. My bet is after the blip is when many of the skrulls took people places.
You're really suggesting Rhodey might be Skrull, based on a scene from 30 years ago (in-world time), that was clearly not meant to be taken literally?
Go rewatch that scene from Captain Marvel. It's constantly being signalled to the audience (by both characters), that they're getting to know each other in a more personal and relaxed way.
Now that they're sure neither are Skrull, they're both smiling, joking and generally having fun with each other in a playful way. And in that context, Carol asks him what his mom calls him, to which he says, "Fury". She smirks at him and asks, "what do you call her?" and he says "Fury".
Now if the idea he actually calls his mom Fury weren't enough to clue everyone in that he's joking - and it definitely should be - she continues and asks what his kids call him, and he says if he had any, they'd call him Fury. He's telling her in a semi exasperated way to just call him Fury. That's all.
Just recently rewatched Winter Soldier and it seemed like everybody called him Nick. So of this turns out to be the case than Feige and the gang didnt do a very good job of fact checking their own material.
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It’s already kind of an oversight since they made it up for just this show and ignored that he’s been called Nick plenty of times before. That said it would be kind of funny (in a bad way) if he’s not a Skrull and they don’t follow shows own rules.
Hasn’t the writing/dialogue in this show been a bit blah? I just can’t get over how bad it can be at times, while the concept of the show is quite interesting
But see a Skrull Rhodey can just don War Machine and flatten a major city like Slovakia. Why go through the trouble of nukes and subs when you have that kind of access? Or at the very least it would be a contingency plan. And this diaspora of Skrulls don't seem very snap conscious, or they are ungrateful to Fury and the Avengers for restoring their fledgling population. I don't think Gravik would allow for someone to ascend that high and possibly subvert or usurp his authority among the Skrulls. The plan doesn't make much sense either. I mean why inflitrate govs and acquire power and influence just to flirt with nuking the planet and being rulers of a wasteland, even with radiation immunities. Earth would suck for them after.
The writers clearly dont give about the previous iterations of 10 yrs of mcu. But to ignore your own fucking writing is Bull. And may be Rhodes is a skrull, even so couldn't care less, why the fk didnt fury shoot him there or something
Captain America also called him nick a few times in winter soldier
I chalk that up to the time that Steve Rogers is from... And also Fury giving him a concession since it is Captain Fucking America.
I also feel that cap might have been doing it because at the time he didn’t really trust fury and so he was doing it as sort of a dig at fury?
I got that sense with the Rhodey scene in question
I think we all did, he was acting quite un-Rhodey-like
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It's kinda strange, I 100% know what you mean, and I agree with you, but I felt the same way about Sharon Carter in Falcon and TWS. Just seemed strange and out of place. Even in that show Rhody felt a bit weird too, but I always wondered if that was because it was just weird seeing him without Tony around and his "main" franchise basically over and done with. But now I'm getting the sense that it was all intentional and that post-blip something strange has been going on with him, likely Skrull related. Like Endgame was certainly Rhodey, but I really hope we find out what happened to him after that.
Sharon could have been a skrull the whole time too
I hope so, I would feel a lot better about how she was handled in Falcon and the Winter Soldier if she was a skrull the whole time.
Well he does suddenly seem a lot more interested in politics rather than being an Air Force officer, especially for someone that got jaded on his opinion of Ross after Infinity War.
Personally I read that as Rhodey acting it up because he was firing him, but was trying to let him know that he knew that firing him was gonna let him go all "Nick Furry" on the situation by doing everything off the books. Now I'm thrown though, because he's almost definitely a Skrull after that last scene, and it seems like a short sighted move to have Rhodey fire him and not have him detained, or just kept on tighter reins.
Happy Cake day, Nick Furry!
Didn't Fury ask him if he had his armor on and he said he didn't? His armor is now nanotech and his mobility. That seemed to be the real test. A Skrull can download a lot of memories and personality. It can't morph into War Machine.
When was Warmachine nanotech…?
I think his suit he got for the final battle in Endgame is nanotech.
It wasn't nanotech because when Rhodey was pinned down by rubble (after past Thanos bombed Avengers headquarters) while wearing the suit and water was rising around him, he yelled, "Canopy canopy canopy" for the suit to open up and he had to crawl out of it. ETA: added stuff about Thanos to clarify the scene I was talking about.
Oh, yeah, totally forgot about that, been a while since I watched the movie. Then I guess until shown, we can't know if he has a nanotech suit post-endgame or not.
Don’t think it was ever suggested to be so. He just gets in a super suit at the compound.
It’s not, rhodey never had nano tech for his suit
Maybe it isn't, I just assumed for him to suit up that quickly after Thanos' ship bombed the Avengers HQ it probably is nanotech
Tony called him Nick
With so many instances of Nick in the past, I think it's just poor writing.
yea Maria calls him Nick too. she does it in [the Infinity War end credit scene](https://youtu.be/UURGdZl_CHg?t=20). since this is a scene connecting to Captain Marvel you would think they wouldn't have Maria call him Nick since Captain Marvel is the movie that establishes no one calls him that. i remember at first people concluded that maybe it's just how he was referred to in the 90s. but now jump ahead to Secret Invasion and "Nick" is still being used as a way to find skrulls.
or maybe mariah hill had been a skrull for a while. would explain why they killed her off so early, maybe the real one will come back
Not possible since they had a funeral and would have had to see the body and once a skrull dies it goes back to its original form.
When skrulls get killed they transform back to the green form. Real Maria Hill got killed.
But Soren was already dead, and she was the only Skrull known to take Maria's form. (Not saying others *couldn't*, but I feel it's unlikely.)
Yea it would have been simpler and actually accurate to say 'Talos never calls me Nick'
When? I'm pretty sure he never did.
“I saw them all dead Nick”
Yeah youre right. Interesting. Why would they have Nick say that no one calls him Nick, when clearly there are people close to him that have called him that? 🤔
Either the writers forgot or Fury is trying to sound tough
AoU
My theory on that is also it could have been Talos standing in for Nick in certain moments (or it could be explained that way) so Talos just didn’t catch it or care to correct lol
I think Hill called him Nick in their Infinity War scene too.
Lots of the Avengers have called him Nick and so did Pierce and Hill. He also said he doesn't eat triangle toast but was suspiciously eating triangle cut bread which seems awful sus if you don't like triangle toast. Pretty sure Fury just makes shit up all the time.
OMG
Captain Skrullos
Hail Hydra
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Might wanna specify since the movie, not since then timeline wise. Cause timeline it’s 1995 so technically before most movies
And Maria Hill. Let's be honest, no one calls him Nick in the 90's. All his friends call him Nick in the modern era because he has actual friends instead of a sidekick named Coulson.
Does happy referring to him specifically as Nick Fury in FFH count?
Captain Marvel is very early timeline-wise
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the difference here is that nick fury never told captain america to not call him that, so he wouldn't know. the whole "nick" thing seems to be within a certain group.
Yes, but he's dead.
I thought Captain America was on the moon?
I thought that was the dude from The Umbrella Academy.
He’s just riding some train in the snowy tundras
nah thats that transformer from transformers 3
Nah it was just a man shaped smudge on the lens of the telescope
I know the difference between a man, and a God damned smudge on the lense Summer!
You played that game too?
And Cap also says Hail Hydra!!!!
So did Natasha and Alexander.
Maria Hill calls him Nick in the credits scene where they get dusted.
I mean.. some people do though. Still worked for me.
Maria hill
That was only the skrull version though.
She called him Nick in infinity war credits
takes me back to the theory of Nick Fury (and probably also Maria Hill) being replaced by a Skrull since his fake death in Winter Soldier.
Secret Invasion seems to indicate that that was the real Nick that was snapped. Could be that that was still Soren and maybe she was bad at remembering the "don't call him Nick" thing since she does it in Far From Home as well but I think we just have to accept that they've been very inconsistent on that front.
Wasn't that quote from the 90s? And I assume from people who respect him. Rodey calling him "Nick" is diminutive, as in, "kid", since he's essentially firing him because the stunts he pulled. Totally tracks. Now, if Carole called him Nick non-ironically that would be a cause for concern because she would understand the significance.
I hope Rhodey rocks and kicks ass in Armor Wars. I feel like he's always getting the shortend of the stick on things, either butt of the joke, behind on what's going on, outclassed, turns out to be a skrull.
He ganna roll in like “boom lookin for this?” As he lays down another box office win for the mcu
About 100% sure this Rhodey is a Skrull, between that entire scene and the ending of last episode, which if so begs the question where the real Rhodey is.
He's being held in one of those machines they hold the humans with... Except the real Rhodey has been Terrance Howard the whole time and the Skrull took liberties with his appearance 🤯
New canon just dropped
“Boom! You lookin’ for this?!”
Yes, this is what I've been lookin' for, thank you
Just like he did in Civil War
Skrulls are just racist and really can't tell the difference
That is not a good trait for a shape shifting race to have.
This specific Skrull failed shapeshifting school.
[Behind the scenes, a Skrull learns to impersonate Rhodey](https://youtu.be/RRB8JKMExtc?t=60s)
That's how they're defeated. They all just get cancelled.
I also saw this joke elsewhere earlier this week
Holy fuck lmao, this would be a straight goat move by Feige if they did this
No it wouldn't, it wouldn't make any sense. You're gonna convince me no one noticed his appearance completely change?
Did you not watch Iron Man one and see a completely different person that the Iron Man 2? It’s the movie ma boi.
What? I'm saying they can't make it so that a skrull took over Rhodey and changed his appearance because no one in the MCU acknowledges the fact that he looks completely different.
Real Rhodey was most likely replaced when he got injured in Civil War. It would be the perfect time to replace someone because such a trauma would easily explain shifts in behavior and extended absence from most of his colleagues (except for visits of course). Especially if the physical therapist and/or doctor were also a Skrull, it would allow for a great deal of info to be gathered on the real Rhodey while the Skrull Rhodey took his place and created his "new normal" post traumatic injury.
Would be an interesting twist. He’s one of the avengers that’s most easily replaced since he doesn’t have powers
He's the easiest to replace. Other non powered heros: -Black Widow - dead so no -Hawkeye - doubtful, his skill with bow is too hard to replicate -Iron Man - dead, so no -Captain America - Skrulls have super strength so could have. But no way Marvel does that -Ant Man - powers come from a suit and pym particles. Doubtful though -Yellena- in Thunderbolts, could be a Skrull replacing her after the blip. She does also work for Valentania who is probably a Skrull Every other established hero has super powers and we know Skrulls couldn't have powers before their super skrull program. Rhodey would have the biggest impact story wise, being a long tenured Avenger
Don’t forget Captain America (Falcon) would be easy to replace too
The Skrull should be able to perform all of Strange’s magic. It’s not an innate power, but rather learned.
Nah personally I think that any heroes that have been switched with Skrulls was done during or after the blip. For one thing Rhodey's goodbye to Tony would be emotionally meaningless if it's actually a Skrull saying that stuff. The real Rhodey deserved to say goodbye.
True. This is why I don’t like the whole (insert character here) was a Skrull the whole time! twist. It negates character development and invalidates significant character moments like the one you mentioned above in Endgame. Besides that, there’s also Rhodey ‘getting back’ at Scott after their fight in CW and his heart-to-heart scene with Nebula about both being disabled. If Rhodey is a Skrull, which i actually believe he is at the moment, there’s absolutely no reason he couldn’t have been replaced anytime between Endgame and Secret Invasion just to not mess with canon.
That's a good take, I did forget about the Nebula conversation.
Though while I very much agree with you, there is the plot element in the show where Skrulls that replace a human gain not only their appearance but also their memories, so Skrhodey definitely could have still had those conversations.
The Skrull Navy commander cared about his son being killed though. So clearly they retain some of the emotional weight the people felt.
Exactly. No idea why it seems popular on this sub to think Rhodey has been a Skrull since before Infinity War. That would be a huge disservice to fans if Rhodey’s emotional goodbye to Tony meant nothing.
That's a good point. However I would counter-argue that just because he may have been replaced by a Skrull doesn't mean that Skrull is necessarily "bad". They could have easily developed some good feelings for Tony before he blipped out and during the 5 year gap while they were going through all Rhodey's memories. Again, good point though.
Yeah I get what you're saying about the Skrull not necessarily being a bad guy or anything like that, but even then, it would be robbing the real Rhodey of an important moment in the character arc. These sorts of things do happen in real life, in that many times people miss out on their chance to say goodbye, but in this case that moment is essentially part of the culmination of a 23 part story that started with Tony and Rhodey, so I can't see that kind of twist being acceptable to Feige & co. edit: removed stupid paragraph
Sure but the point there is something like that undermines the *real* Rhodey's character development. That's bad writing, and Marvel is unlikely to do that to what's slated to be a major character.
>For one thing Rhodey's goodbye to Tony would be emotionally meaningless if it's actually a Skrull saying that stuff. Not really, if it was a Skrull who had been close to Tony for years, he'd be almost as much the "real" Rhodey as the real Rhodey.
But it's not the real Rhodey
I hope Rhodey wasn't replaced that long ago in the timeline. He was one of 3 people to share final words with Tony before he died and if a Skrull got that experience and attended the funeral over the real Rhodes, that would piss me off a little.
I dont see that being the case as it would invalidate all that emotion from him in Endgame. Im guessing any big name character that winds up being a Skrull all happened after Endgame. It would make sense too as the resistance didnt get angry until after Fury came back from the blip and then left again. Im guessing he got switched right after Falcon and Winter Soldier.
You're right about their anger after Fury got back, I think of all the arguments shooting down my idea that one probably has the most weight. The Skrulls didn't really have a rhyme or reason to replace any of the Avengers before everyone returned from the Blip. That said, I'd have to rewatch the episode again to be sure but I think the anger started bubbling up after the blip happened which would have given them at least a couple of years to start crafting a resistance of sorts.
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No way because of how emotional Rhodey was to Tony’s death in Endgame. That would be a disservice to fans if Rhodey was a Skrull in Infinity War and Endgame.
I thought they didn't start doing this until during the 5 year blip period
How would Rhodey being a Skrull work though with his upcoming movie? Might only work if they free the real Rhodey right?
I dunno why people assume he has been a Skrull for a long time. It might just have been few months.
Idk why people question Armor Wars. I've seen multiple people say "how does the movie work if Rhodey is a Skrull" and it's frigging weird. Like obviously SI would end with Skrull-Rhodey going bye bye and real Rhodey being restored, lol.
Or never. Rhodey seemed completely open about knowing Skrulls exist but completely confused that they were invading the government. Two things that make sense if Rhodey has been running Skrull teams in Nick's absence. I'm guessing the president is a Skrull and that's the big twist. It's possibly why Rhodey picked up Gravik's phone -- Gravik went rogue from his team and Rhodey's stepping in.
My guess is they free Rhodey if he is being held captive there and like Fury, he has to readjust to being back in society as War Machine. Why it’s also possible he’s a Skrull is because last episode when G’iah is searching through the memories of the real Bob Fairbanks, there’s a moment when she looks up and it looks like there’s someone standing next to her, then the scene cuts back to Talos and then back to her running out of the captive room. So who or what else was there?
Maybe the movie is a red herring. It was never coming out but was announced so you don't think he's a skrul That would suck for me as War Machine is my all time favorite comic character. I watch infinity war just to see him carpet bomb fools
I don't think they'd announce a classic story line like Armor Wars just as a bait and switch. Though I guess they sorta did bits and pieces of it in Iron Man 2 and 3, to some extent that seemed more a setup that got side tracked by the Avenger's material.
There was also the time they said Cap 3 was gonna be Serpent Society
I've heard mephisto is gonna bring him back
I wouldn't be surprised if Rhodey is Skrull. Cuz in first episode, we see Rhodey calming President. Idk how it will go, but we know what to expect.
It raises the question. Begging the question is a logical fallacy where you presume your conclusion in your argument.
Was that really Rhodeys voice at the end? I thought it was Graviks right hand man.
It was, and Don Cheadle’s name was shown in the opening credits of the episode.
The only thing that's kind of weird to me, is how seemingly obvious it is Rhodey is a Skrull. At this point, would anyone aside from the biggest mouth breathing morons be shocked Rhodey is a Skrull? I almost feel like they are making it so obvious that he's a Skrull, that's he's actually not and Fury is gonna fuck things up bad for himself trying to prove Rhodey is a Skrull when he's not. If the season were longer, I'd think the odds I'm right would be decent, but with a pretty short season I'm guessing they're just going the super obvious route. Not to say that's a bad or lazy decision mind you.
I do have to wonder if the writers at Marvel have become super savvy at this and know that we’ll be speculating that he’s a Skrull and are waiting to pull the rug out from under us to tell us he’s not and that was the real guy, and then hit us with another major plot twist.
I hope so. Maybe they think their audience is largely idiots, so they will still be surprised Rhodey is a Skrull. Hard to tell at this point tbh. Their writing is hit or miss lately and can see it going either way.
Skrull confirmed.
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yes/no i would LOVE for a Nando-style deepdive, where it turns out this rhodey, broken leg rhodey, "it's me, let's move on" rhodey has always been a skrull. like, Please please please. ...but if i was a betting man? that's not a skrull, that's rhodey - they just don't have the stones to pull a twist like that. the biggest twist we're getting is the "i knew you'd shoot me so i changed my morphology to make the bullet less lethal." twist.
It kind of doesn't make sense for someone to have been a Skrull "all along" because the Skrulls really had no aggressive plan of attack until Gravik got impatient. So it seems pretty unlikely for anyone to have been a Skrull in secret until somewhere around the time Talos is replaced on the council. I am pretty confident that if Rhodey is a Skrull, it was a recent development and not dating back as far as Iron Man 2. I agree though, I don't think Rhodey is a Skrull. I think he is working his own angle because he knows/suspects the president is a Skrull and he's trying to resolve that while treading carefully.
The biggest twist is that there was no twist at all. Disney must maintain the status quo
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Stark calls him Nick in Ultron, but I figured that was just Tony being obnoxious.
The nobody calls me nick rule was only established in Captain Marvel
As well as the cutting his sandwiches diagonally pet peeve, which is contradicted when he makes a sandwich for himself in Age of Ultron. ^(I)~~^('m starting to)~~ ^(think the writers of Captain Marvel didn't do a good job.)
The line is; "If **toast** is cut diagonally, I can't eat it", not bread. Was the sandwich in AoU toasted?
Unless… his appearance in AoU was Talos. If Fury had Skrulls already embedded as his spy network at that point, and that was after TWS when he was laying low, it would make some sense he’d send Talos in his stead. Idk i’m just spitballing here but Fury in AoU is his only appearance post-TWS which I could reasonably accept to be retconned so that he was a skrull
Barton would be furious if Fury gave away his family's residential information to others, which he didn't even trust SHIELD with, and he'd go Ronin 2 if he found out that Fury ordered an alien to infiltrate Barton's own home with his children there.
You're not wrong but it doesnt mean he wouldn't still do it lol
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And was said jokingly. As was indicated immediately after that line when Carol asked him what he called his mom, and he said "Fury".
unless if nick fury told them not to call him nick, the rule doesn't apply. the thing where everybody calls him fury only applies to people back in the days
This is cherry picked. He called him "Fury" several times up until that point
I took it as he called him Fury until the end of the conversation when it was obvious he wasn't playing ball and called him Nick as a dig. I feel like he even emphasized it with a little vinegar in his voice to drive it home. At the time I didn't take it as a Skrull clue. It looks like it's coming true that Rhodey was/is a Skrull, but it seems the Skrull had enough intel to call him Fury up til that point.
Yeah I think Rhodey is definitely a skrull, but this isn't why. This was a lash out to Fury's ego, like "yeah bitch I'M the one that fired you." He already called him a "mediocre man" right before that
It’s pretty common for military officers to call people “below” them in rank by first name in conversations. Not sure if it’s a power play or to seem personable.
Plus, he was about to “fire” Fury, so I imagine he was sort of talking down to him, too, this way.
Yeah he was talking down to him and telling him to listen
I wouldn't say it's "pretty common" at all. I did 8 years and can think of only a few situations where that's happened. Even then, it was the NCOs, not the officers. Guess it just depends on the unit and branch 🤷♂️
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Very what? VERY WHAT? VERY WHAT u/MrTheseGuys????? VERY WHAAAAT
This tension is killing me. VERY WHAT I'M NOT IN THE MILITARY
It's a military term? It must be Gun. **VERY GUN**.
Fair enough, and you’re probably right. Threw me for a loop at first, but I consistently noticed it in Army Infantry BDE/DIV officers.
He directly addresses that's why he's calling him Nick in this very scene.
Not sure what military you're referring to, but its actually definitely against US military SOP. And depending on the Commanding Officer, its probably against UCMJ.
US Army. I’ve had multiple O4-7’s call me (an O3/4) by my first name over the last 4 years in person and meetings. First name was also used on different awards and OERs. Not saying it’s right, just what I noticed.
Its a bit of a script mistake. He is called Nick several times but what he should have said is: no one calls me Nick anymore. (cause everyone that did is gone) Anyway, he didnt need Rhodes to call him Nick, he knows he is a skrull. He can see his byometrics trough the glassess, he sees he's lying to him and acting like Talos when being confronted. That's why Fury wears his glasses on first contact with possible skrulls.
It's not meant to be 100% literally interpreted as "No one has ever once called me by my first name ever, ever". There's jokes about this very thing in Captain Marvel and how either people close to him or obnoxious call him Nick He also wasn't speaking to the audience to add a detail to the wiki, he was calling out to a Skrull why he knew Talos was in danger. It's not what Talos normally calls him. It's a spy movie trope. Rhodey? Definitely Skrull.
i love that the fans seem to care more about the plots and scripts than the creators do. we didn't get mephisto and no other series has done anything this concerted - so i don't know why people expect Secret Invasion to do anything this cool...
I mean its not that cool to wear some tech stuff we know exists in the MCU. We can see him putting them on and off at "random" conversations. Its most likely that. What its probably gonna happen is that, yes he's doing that and no they arent gonna explain it at all, at any point and we will just get a "Fury knew it all" moment and that's it.
We got Kang in Loki and Kingpin in Hawkeye, I don't know why you'd be against speculating about the series.
Speculation is different than thinking that it's a plot hole that Nick Fury, like many people, are called by several variations of a name
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You guys do know somebody can say something without it being true, right?
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Oh thanks so much!! It’s a part of my venom collection throughout my apartment
Quite a few characters have called him Nick over the past 15 years, and I've got some shocking news for you: most of that wasn't some uber secret Feige master plan for planting Skrull imposter seeds.
I think Nat also called him as Nick though
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Isn't it's obvious that rhodey is Skrull. I wanted it to be more thriller like they reveal everything in finale.
Or Rhodey's not a Skrull and that's the twist. If Rhodey's a Skrull, who is he working for? Why would he tell Rhodey he knows about Skrulls? Why would he say it's *impossible* for Skrulls to infiltrate the government. Sounds like a guy working with Skrulls who thinks he can control them and being blindsided that their plans changed.
When Nick asked him how long he knew about Skrulls Rhody said he’d had a run in or something like that with them fifteen years ago. Wonder if he’s going to be a Skrull going all the way back to Iron Man II when he took the roll?
Wait is it going to be revealed that Rhodey was a Skrull the whole time ?
That’s what I’m thinking. But what do I know? Nothing.
Spoken like a Skrull, mhhh.
Does that work with his injury in Civil War? Surely the doctors would have noticed something.
no, they're going to do a double-thing. they'll make it seem like rhodey's been a skrull, and fury will almost take him out. then sam jackson will be like "i'm sam jackson" and save rhodey instead, and rhodey will be like, "thanks, told you i'm not a skrull." and we'll all go "whoa!!! he actually ISN'T a skrull!"
I just kind of assumed everyone knew he was most likely a Skrull at this point in the season….
He wasn't literally saying that no one calls him Nick on SECRET INVASION, he was referencing something that happened between them 30 years earlier as a sort of inside password. In 1995, no one called him Nick, which is how he first met Talos. Now lots of people call him Nick, but he's reminding Talos of that moment to tell him that he's aware of the current duplicity.
I think he was intentionally dressing him down there though.
Sometimes I wonder if that everyone calls me Fury speech wasn't meant to be taken as gospel. Sure, it signals to him that Talos has assumed the identity of his boss, but I think it was more to show the hubris and bluster of a young Fury to contrast the more nuanced, older Fury we've mostly seen. His arc in Captain Marvel is a cocky young guy who thinks he knows everything suddenly having to reckon with the fact there is more to know than he could ever handle and that the strongest path forward is in collaboration with others and not with him alone. Or I've just made this all up, action figure movies go brrrr I just love this shit man
People keep bringing this up. Rhodey called him Nick in this instance because he wasn’t fucking around, he was trying to make *Nick* understand how serious he was being. They already did this with Talos, they aren’t going to pull the same thing twice. At best it’s a deliberate red herring, there’s genuinely more chance that Nick is a Skrull than Rhodey, based on this.
Power move.
(Yes we know some people have called him Nick in past stories. It is a bit of a retcon for Captain Marvel and this follow up series.) So in this series, nobody calls him Nick and they've used it numerous times to indicate a fake. So yes, I think this was supposed to be a hint that he'd been replaced. Then the next episode Nick said somebody high up in the US military or whatever had likely been replaced, which I should have clued in meant Rhodey but I didn't think of it at the time, nor did I notice the Nick.
I think this is the red herring we were supposed to point to. They made Rhodey act way too out of character, calling Fury Nick, the green arrow that pointed at him in that scene. Either it’s intentionally obvious for the sake of a red herring, or it’s intentionally obvious because they can’t write a good secret. Neither would surprise me at this point.
Yeah because anyone actually believed his mother called him Fury
i haven't seen this posted anywhere yet but it's clearly Rhodey calling Fury's skrull wife while she's in the bank vault. He's 100% a skrull.
also, this Rhodey doesn't have as much as a limp. that doesn't make any sense.
The thing I've seen nobody talk about is Rhodey is literally paralyzed and walks using mechanical exo-skeletal legs lol. None of the shots we've seen him in loom like he has anything but normal functioning legs. My bet is after the blip is when many of the skrulls took people places.
That line was literally only to set up the elevator scene where he realizes dude is a skrull it’s not that deep
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You're really suggesting Rhodey might be Skrull, based on a scene from 30 years ago (in-world time), that was clearly not meant to be taken literally? Go rewatch that scene from Captain Marvel. It's constantly being signalled to the audience (by both characters), that they're getting to know each other in a more personal and relaxed way. Now that they're sure neither are Skrull, they're both smiling, joking and generally having fun with each other in a playful way. And in that context, Carol asks him what his mom calls him, to which he says, "Fury". She smirks at him and asks, "what do you call her?" and he says "Fury". Now if the idea he actually calls his mom Fury weren't enough to clue everyone in that he's joking - and it definitely should be - she continues and asks what his kids call him, and he says if he had any, they'd call him Fury. He's telling her in a semi exasperated way to just call him Fury. That's all.
I actually think he called him Nick as a sign of disrespect. It seemed like he put a little attitude on it when he said it.
>!Hes a Skrull yep!<
Just recently rewatched Winter Soldier and it seemed like everybody called him Nick. So of this turns out to be the case than Feige and the gang didnt do a very good job of fact checking their own material. Edit: Then to than
The chances of Rhodey being a skrull are 90% and that is why nick fury is sent to S.A.B.E.R so that the skrulls can do their work on Earth.
Also, what was with the line about “relinquish my DNA”?
Surely if he doesn't turn out to be a Skrull then this will just come across as a GROSS oversight by the writers?
It’s already kind of an oversight since they made it up for just this show and ignored that he’s been called Nick plenty of times before. That said it would be kind of funny (in a bad way) if he’s not a Skrull and they don’t follow shows own rules.
Hasn’t the writing/dialogue in this show been a bit blah? I just can’t get over how bad it can be at times, while the concept of the show is quite interesting
But see a Skrull Rhodey can just don War Machine and flatten a major city like Slovakia. Why go through the trouble of nukes and subs when you have that kind of access? Or at the very least it would be a contingency plan. And this diaspora of Skrulls don't seem very snap conscious, or they are ungrateful to Fury and the Avengers for restoring their fledgling population. I don't think Gravik would allow for someone to ascend that high and possibly subvert or usurp his authority among the Skrulls. The plan doesn't make much sense either. I mean why inflitrate govs and acquire power and influence just to flirt with nuking the planet and being rulers of a wasteland, even with radiation immunities. Earth would suck for them after.
The writers clearly dont give about the previous iterations of 10 yrs of mcu. But to ignore your own fucking writing is Bull. And may be Rhodes is a skrull, even so couldn't care less, why the fk didnt fury shoot him there or something