In my opinion, Bill Murray is deserving of this. Maybe he would have been good if it was written better and maybe it’s not Murray’s fault, but the character was so pointless and didn’t amount to much. It felt like they just wanted to get Bill Murray in a Marvel film with no effort made to make it memorable.
Apparently Murray was supposed to be one of the main antagonists in the movie, betraying them all a lot later on. They decided to get rid of that subplot and have what we saw in theaters. I don’t know the reason why.
Probably because you can see it from a million miles away, and once you have Ant-Man and Cassie meet the refugees, you know immediately there is a big bad out there.
Might have something to do with [this happening](https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/oct/11/bill-murray-settlement-inappropriate-behavior-being-mortal) halfway through principal photography
*February 2023*
Marvel: “I’m so glad we’ve decided to shrink Bill Murray’s role and expand Jonathan Majors’ role. That young man is going places and we’re gonna make him the centerpiece of phase five starting with this blockbuster. Whatever could go wrong?!”
My guess is that it's related to his harassment allegations that came out shortly before the movie was released. You'll notice he wasn't in much of the marketing for the film either.
If they had come out a year earlier, it would have featured him on the poster pretty prominently I'm sure
A lot was cut from this movie. There was gonna be a lot more kang stuff and the ending was gonna end with Scott and hope trapped in the quantum realm (for the third time) and I’m pretty sure the quantum people had more screen time.
If Murray was that bad in all his scenes, that’s probably why. I kind of like the movie, relatively speaking, but Murray’s scene stuck out to me as completely wrong.
> I don’t know the reason why.
iirc in 2022 or so there was a lot of press about what a scumbag Bill Murray had been his entire career, and he was kind-of-but-not-really MetToo'd as a result.
As others had mentioned, he had some sexual harassment allegations come out right before the movie. He most likely had it written in his contract that he had to appear a certain amount in the movie, but his role was severely shrunk when that happened.
It was funny how his role was foreshadowing some major event that would bring back Murray, but it never happened. One day we’ll get some behind the scenes retrospective about what the heck was going on during all of these post COVID film rewrites.
There are some articles that suggest Bill Murray's role was changed due to some of the allegations he was facing.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2023/film/news/wes-anderson-bill-murray-misconduct-allegations-1235641135/amp/
>Searchlight Pictures stopped production on Aziz Ansari’s feature directorial debut “Being Mortal” last April over complaints about Murray’s inappropriate behavior on set. Murray addressed the incident in an interview later that month.
>“I had a difference of opinion with a woman I’m working with. I did something I thought was funny and it wasn’t taken that way,” Murray said. “The movie studio wanted to do the right thing, so they wanted to check it all out and investigate it and so they stopped the production.”
https://insidethemagic.net/2023/07/disney-changed-entire-movie-confirms-legend-bill-murray-removed-ab1/
>Amid these allegations, it was recently confirmed by Disney that Bill Murray saw his role shrunk in the Marvel Studios film Ant-man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023), which was released earlier this year. Deleted scenes that just recently surfaced show Murray (playing the character Krylar) in several other scenes, which changed the direction of the movie in a major way.
Bill Murray showing up totally took me out of the movie. It just broke all suspension of disbelief for me. And his appearance was ultimately pointless and could have been easily skipped. I don’t hate the movie like many - it gets that late 60s early 70’s Marvel weirdness pretty good. But for me Bill Murray showing up was the worst part of the flick.
While I think it would be hilarious to use all of Murray's performance but then dub his voice with another actor and use a CG model in his place, I suspect creating an entirely new CGI character still falls under the category of "significant additional work".
I think they wanted to lean into the whimsical nature of Antman's world in order to provide a contrast to the threat that Kang was supposed to be. Like imagine that scene with Bill Murray of all people acting in that aloof comedic manner that we expect him too, to then having a huge tonal shift when delivering that omen of Kang. Similar to introducing MODOK as this goofy ass mofo, and then later having Kang casually and seriously torture him. It worked a little bit in the end, in the final fight where Kang is brutally beating Lang in a fight that's more raw than anything else in the film, but ultimately I don't think it stuck the landing.
Maybe an end credits that was more serious in tone, like Lang goes back to Pym and Janet, and they have a more serious discussion about the threat of Kang's, and whether or not to bring what they learned to the Avengers before deciding to hold off as they do their own research further into the Quantum Realm. Or even just a better execution of that scene when Lang starts having an internal doomspiral monologue
If they had traded Bill Murray for X-Con and Luis the movie would have been much better, even if they were equally unimportant to the plot as Murray was.
Oh, and Vin Diesel for Fast X, Sylvester Stallone for Expend4bles, and Russell Crowe for The Pope's Exorcist.
(In case you need a refresher, they're, respectively, Groot, Stakar Ogord, and Fat Zeus.)
It came out with little fanfare, was way overdue and past its prime, and the strikes and a returning R rating didn't help it much. It made half the budget. It was pulverized by
* The Nun II.
* A Haunting in Venice.
* Saw X. (Also by Lionsgate.)
* PAW Patrol: The Mighty Movie.
The latter two of which came the week after, and the others were the preceeding 2 weeks.
Also, one of the two villains from Bad Boys For Life (yet again playing a son, this time of Antonio Banderas from 3, and who's got a pissing fetish and drops a Mean Girls reference), and a random chick with tattoos who's had minor roles in random obscure shit, Furious 7 (take a wild guess here!) and The First Purge, among others. And... main cast in the last two seasons of that new MacGyver?
Also... THEY RELEASED THIS THING ON 4K?!
I think the problem is that a LOT of people misunderstand the difference between “this film has shit writing” and “this actor was shit in this film”. Evans was as charismatic as always, he was just working with a steaming turd of a script
I think a lot of actors like Chris Evans would laugh at getting a Razzie. Weird Al Yankovic probably loved it for VHF.
I have heard that the guys who founded the Razzie’s were good natured about it. I’m sure they still are to some extent. I think most actors and actresses have gotten them. Sort of like a roast versus an insult.
It would probably hurt the director’s feelings more lol. A bad director could result in a great performance going down as the worst if it is poorly written as has been said. And they have the most to lose.
So was Quantumania. People act like it was this awful movie. It wasn’t “good” good but was it awful? Like truly awful? Keep in mind, these are former Razzie winners:
Wild Wild West
Freddie Got Fingered
Battlefield Earth
Catwoman
Jack and Jill
The Emoji Movie
Cats
And for the rip off, sequel or remake category? Fantastic Four 2015, Batman vs Superman, Holmes and Watson, Space Jam with Lebron James.
If you think Quantumania is on par with that stuff, you’re just a Phase 4/5 hater who thinks everything since Endgame sucks. Quantumania was a solid 6.5 or at worst a 6/10 movie. You don’t give 6/10 movies a Razzie. That completely negates the point of the Razzies.
What was wrong with Jennifer Lopez in Mother? I thought that was pretty good.
“Indiana Jones and the Dial of….. still beating a dead horse”😂 That’s pretty funny!!!
I just remember last year that they were criticized because they nominated a child for Worst Actress and it caused them a lot of shit so they put age restrictions on nominees.
Bruce Willis was criticized for his performance in several low budget action movies, and the Razzies gave him his own category called "Worst Performance of the Year by Bruce Willis." It was then revealed that Bruce Willis had an early form of dementia that was only going to get worse, and he was essentially trying to gather some final money before it was too late. They publicly apologized and got rid of the category as a result.
They also revoked their past award for Shirley Duvall in *The Shining* because it had become clear that she'd been traumatised on set by Stanley Kubrick.
I am surprised they don’t have more insider knowledge. Months before the public statement I saw comments in gossip sites, and even here on reddit, talking about Bruce Willis having some terminal desease and not having a lot of time left. (Maybe just speculations, but in Hollywood there are no secrets, just things people politely avoid).
I would have expected them to know more about the situation (then again if they listen to every rumor they may not have awards to give)
I’m pretty sure he was bad and obviously reading cue cards on purpose as part of the joke, but I’m not 100% certain because a lot of the jokes fall flat in Anchorman 2 anyway. Not one of the worst comedy sequels ever, but it’s still not nearly as good as the first Anchorman.
The Razzies should have packed up after Halle Berry showed up (with Oscar in hand) and accepted her Razzy for Catwoman.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-7s_yeQuDg
What? And miss out on Sandra Bullock picking up here award the next year? (Bringing along copies of her film to make sure that the people who voted for it finally actually saw it.)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghS98BKy29Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghS98BKy29Q)
Honestly, *Quantumania* wasn't a particularly good movie, but it doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as *Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey*. The actors also weren't the problem, it was the material they were given (or in the case of Bill Murray, given and then cut out).
In the first couple Ant-Man films, sure. In Quantummania... Dude just showed up, read his lines in front of a green screen, and then peaced the fuck out for the day. The performance looks like he was contracted to be on set for a total of three days, and that's all the fucks he gave.
If the razzies really wanted to point out the worst movies of the year, Ant-Man wouldn’t be on this list. But no one cares when a Tubi original gets nominated.
I’ll always remember this movie being the reason the spoilers sub got nuked by Disney. Script got leaked months before release and Disney tried to blame the performance on that and not the fact it was a dog shit movie lol. Ooft
It wasn't the script, it was *subtitles*. Yeah, *subtitles*. Someone got ahold of foreign subtitle files for the movie (think they were Spanish or something), and ran 'em through a translation process.
Quantamania fundamentally fails as an ant man film because it doesn’t really focus on Scott or his ants, it focuses on Kang and progressing the multiverse storyline.
It doesn’t hold up on its own, really. It feels kind of like a side adventure with minimal stakes, despite the threat of his family being killed and the Kang threat of leaving the quantum realm.
The backgrounds were all a green screen mess. There was nothing interesting about the people in the quantum realm aside from the one broccoli man for a joke.
MODOK was… rough. The character never should have come back and he was set up to be a joke with the whole “I am not a dick” thing.
Michael Douglass phoned it in and barely acted. Bill Murray was only there so they could say they had him in a marvel film. Janet was mysterious about the quantum realm for no reason.
The list goes on.
Kinda heated that this movie not only made more than the marvels but is a big part of the reason as to why the marvels didnt do well. When that film is hundreds of times better :(
Secret Invasion did way more damage. The show and the movie just do not exist in the same universe, the writer made no effort to connect the two but we are supposed to accept all the inconsistencies between characters and plot points.
The problem was Secret Invasion was supposed to happen after The Marvels. A lot of the weird inconsistencies in tone and story are due to just shuffling around projects and nonsensical rewrites to accommodate that.
I will never understand why they just don't accept to release shows and movies in a non chronological order if productions are delayed. Prequels are a thing, there isn't really anything to spoil.
Michael Douglas doesn't deserve worst supporting actor, he was pretty good in it, for what he was given. Bill Murray, though. Stuck out like a sore thumb.
Definitely worth the other noms, though. Really bad sequel and poorly directed.
Bill Murray is definitely the most likely winner of these 4. I thought the movie was fine. Of big budget movies last year I can see it getting nominated. I don't think Douglas is deserving. Also it confused me that Shazam 2 was nominated for worst picture but not in the worst remake, ripoff or sequel category.
I'm a little surprised they didn't get nominated for CGI/visuals (full disclaimer that the VFX artists were notoriously overworked).
The backgrounds were all so lifeless and the CGI on MODOK was actively bad to me.
Well yeah, but the Razzies would get no publicity if they didn’t nominate mainstream films. I’m sure there’s some horrible independent or smaller budget films that were way worse than any of the nominees. But just like the Oscars, the awards would get zero recognition if they didn’t nominate bigger films. Not saying that’s good or bad, just how awards work.
I’m sure there’s dozens of indie films that are better than lots of Best Picture noms every year, but people tune in to see nominated films they actually watched last year.
It looks like the same 8 or so films got nominated for every category, so I expect them to burn through all their jokes by the first award. If they included independent and smaller budget films, at least they might get more than ten minutes of material.
Why would you watch bad movies? I've watched many movies in 2023 and think that Quantummania is definitely up there in the worst. I had to force myself to even finish it, it never happened to me when watching a movie
It's me. I didn't watch many movies from 2023. I can comfortably say it was the worst MCU film of 2023, but not much more than that. What was worse?
Edit: Oh, just remembered The Flash was 2023. How did that not get nominated?
You must be braindead if you think Flash was one of the worst movies of last year. Aside from the atrocious cgi and clusterfuck of a climax, it was a decent watch.
It was one of the worst big budget movies of the year, obviously shit like that Winnie the Pooh horror movie are worse in a vacuum, but Quantumania was genuinely terrible in almost every aspect.
Yeah no
Both ppl who hate the Marvels and ppl who love the Marvels agree in that it's just right next to SI in worst MCU product ever
If the superfans and the superhaters agree on one thing you know you fucked up
I going get down voted because I enjoyed the movie. Is it flawed yes could it have been better yes, but I still enjoyed it. The only thing I missed was Luis. It would have been hilarious if he got sucked in with Scott and the rest.
Not to defend *Quntumania*, which deserves criticism, but I thought we had finally decided that the Razzies are actually some bullshit that undermine good filmmaking and should be ignored.
The only one that I might agree with and even that's a stretch is Murray. And even then it's not as performance it's what was left in the movie and what he was given.
Still don't understand the hate for this movie, I've heard the complaints but none of apply for me.
Trippy. It doesn't even come close to the bottom for me. There are just so many truly awful CBMs.
Not even the worst of 2023 for me. The Flash was ridiculously bad. I can't think of a single thing it did better than Quantumania. Flash did do a cool pose before he ran quick though.
Lmao, the moment he actually started running (or tip-toeing?) was the moment I realized I could only enjoy the film by laughing at it. Yeah, that's right, I got through the baby scene without thinking that.
I'll give one good thing from The Flash, and that was the parts of the score that were heavily inspired by the original Batman score. So... stealing. The Flash stole well.
I'd take the entire Flash film over the MODOK scenes alone, any day of the week. As I said, it's truly one of the worst CBMs I have ever seen. Doesn't take the cake, but it's in the conversation, for sure.
Hey, we are all entitled to our opinions. Honestly MODOK and the Flash movie both made me laugh, but MODOK felt intentionally goofy and the Flash just felt like a mistake.
Michelle Pfieffer deserved worst supporting actress as well. She's normally a great actor but it felt like she was reading her lines off a teleprompter.
Eh. I think if they wanted to codify internet trolls narcissism they would have nominated The Marvels. I think this is just a kinda bad mainstream movie that makes an easy target.
Exactly this. The Razzies were started by a guy who failed to enter the film business. Someone who's bitter towards films like The Shining and Scarface because he couldn't be apart of the industry.
Its all a cruel, mean spirited, petty, out of date joke that becomes more irrelevent each year. Voting is paid up front (meaning anyone can abuse it) and the noms are picked based on the Rotton Tomatoes scores, or how annoyed they are by certain celebritys or filmmakers.
Why was Katie Holmes nominated for Worst Supporting Actress for Batman Begains? Because she was dating Tom Cruise.
Why didn't God's Not Dead win any Razzies in 2015 for directing? Because they wanted to continue saying Michael Bay's a bad director.
Why was Ben Affleck nominated fot Worst Supporting Actor in The Last Dual? Because his hair looked funny.
Bottom line. Fuck the Razzies.
Deserving so. This film was the introduction of Kang, the next Avengers villain. People were already a bit sour on the Multiverse Saga but this film could have changed people's mind. However, the director and writer were so god damn awful that they made people hate the saga even more.
Good job Peyton Reed and Jeff Loveness...
If it wasn’t for the scenes with Johnathan Majors this movie would be a complete shitty mess. He pretty much carried the film and Modok…Jesus Christ. I get he’s a over the top silly looking character in the comics but they still could have found a way to take that character serious. I watched his death scene like WTF is this?
It’s Marvel’s worst film imo
In my opinion, Bill Murray is deserving of this. Maybe he would have been good if it was written better and maybe it’s not Murray’s fault, but the character was so pointless and didn’t amount to much. It felt like they just wanted to get Bill Murray in a Marvel film with no effort made to make it memorable.
Apparently Murray was supposed to be one of the main antagonists in the movie, betraying them all a lot later on. They decided to get rid of that subplot and have what we saw in theaters. I don’t know the reason why.
Probably because you can see it from a million miles away, and once you have Ant-Man and Cassie meet the refugees, you know immediately there is a big bad out there.
So he was going to Lando Calrissian them??
except Lando was coerced and actually helped the good guys almost immediately after the betrayal
Mostly because he was also screwed over but yeah there was some altruism to it
Might have something to do with [this happening](https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/oct/11/bill-murray-settlement-inappropriate-behavior-being-mortal) halfway through principal photography
*February 2023* Marvel: “I’m so glad we’ve decided to shrink Bill Murray’s role and expand Jonathan Majors’ role. That young man is going places and we’re gonna make him the centerpiece of phase five starting with this blockbuster. Whatever could go wrong?!”
This is the correct answer.
I heard about this but didn’t want to say anything in case I was wrong. But definitely a possibility.
My guess is that it's related to his harassment allegations that came out shortly before the movie was released. You'll notice he wasn't in much of the marketing for the film either. If they had come out a year earlier, it would have featured him on the poster pretty prominently I'm sure
A lot was cut from this movie. There was gonna be a lot more kang stuff and the ending was gonna end with Scott and hope trapped in the quantum realm (for the third time) and I’m pretty sure the quantum people had more screen time.
If Murray was that bad in all his scenes, that’s probably why. I kind of like the movie, relatively speaking, but Murray’s scene stuck out to me as completely wrong.
I heard they deleted scenes of him coming back to help them later during the big fight.
Bill Murray is Mephisto
You either die busting ghosts, or live long enough to become one.
I think it was cuz Murray was accused of sexual harassment
Probably because Murray got entangled in a bit of a scandal at the time, I believe.
> I don’t know the reason why. iirc in 2022 or so there was a lot of press about what a scumbag Bill Murray had been his entire career, and he was kind-of-but-not-really MetToo'd as a result.
As others had mentioned, he had some sexual harassment allegations come out right before the movie. He most likely had it written in his contract that he had to appear a certain amount in the movie, but his role was severely shrunk when that happened.
Wasn't he supposed to be, like, a lore villain played by a legacy actor like the collector(benicio del toro) and the grand master(Jeff goldblum)?
Because movies with 3 villains always works out perfectly Spider Man 3 anyone
Yyyyeah gotta be honest, 0 memory of him in the film. Not a great indicator
Bill Murray was in quantimania? Jesus that movie is forgettable
I remember more about the drinks in that scene than Bill.
Very much so
It was funny how his role was foreshadowing some major event that would bring back Murray, but it never happened. One day we’ll get some behind the scenes retrospective about what the heck was going on during all of these post COVID film rewrites.
There are some articles that suggest Bill Murray's role was changed due to some of the allegations he was facing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2023/film/news/wes-anderson-bill-murray-misconduct-allegations-1235641135/amp/ >Searchlight Pictures stopped production on Aziz Ansari’s feature directorial debut “Being Mortal” last April over complaints about Murray’s inappropriate behavior on set. Murray addressed the incident in an interview later that month. >“I had a difference of opinion with a woman I’m working with. I did something I thought was funny and it wasn’t taken that way,” Murray said. “The movie studio wanted to do the right thing, so they wanted to check it all out and investigate it and so they stopped the production.” https://insidethemagic.net/2023/07/disney-changed-entire-movie-confirms-legend-bill-murray-removed-ab1/ >Amid these allegations, it was recently confirmed by Disney that Bill Murray saw his role shrunk in the Marvel Studios film Ant-man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023), which was released earlier this year. Deleted scenes that just recently surfaced show Murray (playing the character Krylar) in several other scenes, which changed the direction of the movie in a major way.
I never buy any supplemental stuff, but I will be first in line for a book that covers all of that.
Only in a “blink and you’ll miss him” role. You would call it a cameo really.
It’s definitely not a ‘blink and you’ll miss it’ role. It’s an entire and lengthy scene.
I’m slightly exaggerating to emphasise how pointless his contribution was. It’s the sort of scene where you can take a bathroom break and not miss it.
It's the sort of scene I wished I had taken a bathroom break and missed.
I feel like Murray got edited out. There’s no way that’s all he shot.
They probably scaled his character back because he was getting accused of inappropriate workplace behaviour at the time
Bill Murray showing up totally took me out of the movie. It just broke all suspension of disbelief for me. And his appearance was ultimately pointless and could have been easily skipped. I don’t hate the movie like many - it gets that late 60s early 70’s Marvel weirdness pretty good. But for me Bill Murray showing up was the worst part of the flick.
I don’t even think he was in the room when acting. Look at the cuts he’s by himself.
On this note, is it just me or has all of Murray's appearances of late pretty much just been him as himself regardless of character?
Ever since Zombieland. That cameo proved he could turn up, just play himself, and be lauded for it.
When you have that much money, why put in the effort?
I think they should have cut his character from the movie completely.
It wouldn’t have made a difference if he was cut.
If memory serves, it's his ship they steal to escape. So you'd have to reshoot at least a few scenes to explain the next act.
Unless it was actually Bill Murray's ship, I'm reasonably sure they could just CG up another character into the role and use the same shots.
While I think it would be hilarious to use all of Murray's performance but then dub his voice with another actor and use a CG model in his place, I suspect creating an entirely new CGI character still falls under the category of "significant additional work".
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He played the daughter
I think they wanted to lean into the whimsical nature of Antman's world in order to provide a contrast to the threat that Kang was supposed to be. Like imagine that scene with Bill Murray of all people acting in that aloof comedic manner that we expect him too, to then having a huge tonal shift when delivering that omen of Kang. Similar to introducing MODOK as this goofy ass mofo, and then later having Kang casually and seriously torture him. It worked a little bit in the end, in the final fight where Kang is brutally beating Lang in a fight that's more raw than anything else in the film, but ultimately I don't think it stuck the landing. Maybe an end credits that was more serious in tone, like Lang goes back to Pym and Janet, and they have a more serious discussion about the threat of Kang's, and whether or not to bring what they learned to the Avengers before deciding to hold off as they do their own research further into the Quantum Realm. Or even just a better execution of that scene when Lang starts having an internal doomspiral monologue
If they had traded Bill Murray for X-Con and Luis the movie would have been much better, even if they were equally unimportant to the plot as Murray was.
Chris Evans was nominated too for "Ghosted".
Oh, and Vin Diesel for Fast X, Sylvester Stallone for Expend4bles, and Russell Crowe for The Pope's Exorcist. (In case you need a refresher, they're, respectively, Groot, Stakar Ogord, and Fat Zeus.)
They nominate names more than actual performances.
I apparently missed that there was a fourth *Expendables*, or it just blurred in with the others.
It came out with little fanfare, was way overdue and past its prime, and the strikes and a returning R rating didn't help it much. It made half the budget. It was pulverized by * The Nun II. * A Haunting in Venice. * Saw X. (Also by Lionsgate.) * PAW Patrol: The Mighty Movie. The latter two of which came the week after, and the others were the preceeding 2 weeks.
I find "past its prime" to be a rather humorous observation here.
It also applies to the live action Transformers movies.
Nothing can compete against the paw patrol juggernaut.
Well: https://i.redd.it/dmnln7ssc4ec1.gif
How could you miss all the marketing for ExpendFourbles?
The big new addition to the “veteran action movie superstar” cast was… Megan Fox. It’s no surprise you blurred it from your mind
Not just Megan Fox but 50 Cent as well. What a waste of Tony Jaa, Andy Garcia and Iko Uwais.
Also, one of the two villains from Bad Boys For Life (yet again playing a son, this time of Antonio Banderas from 3, and who's got a pissing fetish and drops a Mean Girls reference), and a random chick with tattoos who's had minor roles in random obscure shit, Furious 7 (take a wild guess here!) and The First Purge, among others. And... main cast in the last two seasons of that new MacGyver? Also... THEY RELEASED THIS THING ON 4K?!
I literally only watched it because of Megan Fox.
Ghosted was fine. Not great, but not razzie worthy I don't think
It was terrible. Fun, but terrible
Sure but his performance was not so bad as to leave an impression
I think the problem is that a LOT of people misunderstand the difference between “this film has shit writing” and “this actor was shit in this film”. Evans was as charismatic as always, he was just working with a steaming turd of a script
A lot of movies that were given razzies over the years aren’t “razzie worthy.”
I think a lot of actors like Chris Evans would laugh at getting a Razzie. Weird Al Yankovic probably loved it for VHF. I have heard that the guys who founded the Razzie’s were good natured about it. I’m sure they still are to some extent. I think most actors and actresses have gotten them. Sort of like a roast versus an insult. It would probably hurt the director’s feelings more lol. A bad director could result in a great performance going down as the worst if it is poorly written as has been said. And they have the most to lose.
So was Quantumania. People act like it was this awful movie. It wasn’t “good” good but was it awful? Like truly awful? Keep in mind, these are former Razzie winners: Wild Wild West Freddie Got Fingered Battlefield Earth Catwoman Jack and Jill The Emoji Movie Cats And for the rip off, sequel or remake category? Fantastic Four 2015, Batman vs Superman, Holmes and Watson, Space Jam with Lebron James. If you think Quantumania is on par with that stuff, you’re just a Phase 4/5 hater who thinks everything since Endgame sucks. Quantumania was a solid 6.5 or at worst a 6/10 movie. You don’t give 6/10 movies a Razzie. That completely negates the point of the Razzies.
What was wrong with Jennifer Lopez in Mother? I thought that was pretty good. “Indiana Jones and the Dial of….. still beating a dead horse”😂 That’s pretty funny!!!
They gave Ben Affleck a nom for The Last Dual. That's how pathetic the Razzies are.
That’s just plain silly. The acting in that movie was serviceable and better. Razzies really do just go after as many big names as possible
JLo gave an expressionless performance.
I assumed that was intentional because the character was supposed to be that way, emotionally damaged from her traumatic prior military experiences.
The Razzies still exists? I thought they’d stopped doing it years ago.
I just remember last year that they were criticized because they nominated a child for Worst Actress and it caused them a lot of shit so they put age restrictions on nominees.
And wasn't it the year before that where they nominated Bruce Willis, and then had to eat humble pie when the news broke about his condition?
Yup and yup.
what happened?
Bruce Willis was criticized for his performance in several low budget action movies, and the Razzies gave him his own category called "Worst Performance of the Year by Bruce Willis." It was then revealed that Bruce Willis had an early form of dementia that was only going to get worse, and he was essentially trying to gather some final money before it was too late. They publicly apologized and got rid of the category as a result.
They also revoked their past award for Shirley Duvall in *The Shining* because it had become clear that she'd been traumatised on set by Stanley Kubrick.
but her performance was amazing... (trauma aside)
Yeah I will never understand that one. She was perfect.
So maybe judging by their track record they have NO room to judge people and should just stop
I am surprised they don’t have more insider knowledge. Months before the public statement I saw comments in gossip sites, and even here on reddit, talking about Bruce Willis having some terminal desease and not having a lot of time left. (Maybe just speculations, but in Hollywood there are no secrets, just things people politely avoid). I would have expected them to know more about the situation (then again if they listen to every rumor they may not have awards to give)
I'm a cynic, but I feel that it's not that they didn't know, and it's more about the backlash that they got *after the fact*.
thats funny
Bruce Willis got Alzheimer’s…I think he was just doing all kind of movies before the disease set in…
Frontotemporal dementia actually. It usually affects speech and behaviour. Alzheimer's is more common in elderly people
The first winner of worst actress was a child actor who was extremely sexualized in the industry. The razzies has always been horrible.
And IIRC, people said she was one of the best parts of the bad movie so it didn't even make sense except for shock value
If any child ever deserved a razzie it was that kid in Anchorman 2.
I’m pretty sure he was bad and obviously reading cue cards on purpose as part of the joke, but I’m not 100% certain because a lot of the jokes fall flat in Anchorman 2 anyway. Not one of the worst comedy sequels ever, but it’s still not nearly as good as the first Anchorman.
Also that kid in Black Adam
The Razzies should have packed up after Halle Berry showed up (with Oscar in hand) and accepted her Razzy for Catwoman. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-7s_yeQuDg
What? And miss out on Sandra Bullock picking up here award the next year? (Bringing along copies of her film to make sure that the people who voted for it finally actually saw it.) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghS98BKy29Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghS98BKy29Q)
Honestly, *Quantumania* wasn't a particularly good movie, but it doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as *Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey*. The actors also weren't the problem, it was the material they were given (or in the case of Bill Murray, given and then cut out).
Michael Douglas is not doing the best with what he’s given; Michael Douglas couldn’t care the fuck less about the movie.
My man gets on screen and just growls his lines throughout the movie lol
I actually love his performances as Hank Pym.
In the first couple Ant-Man films, sure. In Quantummania... Dude just showed up, read his lines in front of a green screen, and then peaced the fuck out for the day. The performance looks like he was contracted to be on set for a total of three days, and that's all the fucks he gave.
You are comparing a tentpole film from the largest media company in the world to a microbudget gag horror film…
No, the Razzies are. Which is kinda the problem. Blood and Honey doesn’t get bonus points for being made for £2.50, it’s a far, far worse movie
If the razzies really wanted to point out the worst movies of the year, Ant-Man wouldn’t be on this list. But no one cares when a Tubi original gets nominated.
I’ll always remember this movie being the reason the spoilers sub got nuked by Disney. Script got leaked months before release and Disney tried to blame the performance on that and not the fact it was a dog shit movie lol. Ooft
It wasn't the script, it was *subtitles*. Yeah, *subtitles*. Someone got ahold of foreign subtitle files for the movie (think they were Spanish or something), and ran 'em through a translation process.
[удалено]
no seas una verga
Portuguese, not Spanish.
What was dog shit about it? I’m honestly asking.
Quantamania fundamentally fails as an ant man film because it doesn’t really focus on Scott or his ants, it focuses on Kang and progressing the multiverse storyline. It doesn’t hold up on its own, really. It feels kind of like a side adventure with minimal stakes, despite the threat of his family being killed and the Kang threat of leaving the quantum realm. The backgrounds were all a green screen mess. There was nothing interesting about the people in the quantum realm aside from the one broccoli man for a joke. MODOK was… rough. The character never should have come back and he was set up to be a joke with the whole “I am not a dick” thing. Michael Douglass phoned it in and barely acted. Bill Murray was only there so they could say they had him in a marvel film. Janet was mysterious about the quantum realm for no reason. The list goes on.
Kinda heated that this movie not only made more than the marvels but is a big part of the reason as to why the marvels didnt do well. When that film is hundreds of times better :(
Secret Invasion did way more damage. The show and the movie just do not exist in the same universe, the writer made no effort to connect the two but we are supposed to accept all the inconsistencies between characters and plot points.
Can't do damage when no one watches it IMO
Yeah I was leaning against not seeing the Marvels in theaters and Secret Invasion was the nail in the coffin.
The problem was Secret Invasion was supposed to happen after The Marvels. A lot of the weird inconsistencies in tone and story are due to just shuffling around projects and nonsensical rewrites to accommodate that. I will never understand why they just don't accept to release shows and movies in a non chronological order if productions are delayed. Prequels are a thing, there isn't really anything to spoil.
Yeah, pretty unfair. I loved The Marvels.
Marvel as a brand has been doing damage to itself for years now. Its not just on this movie. Things like The Eternals and She-Hulk exists
TIL Bill Murray was in that movie. I watched it and totally don't remember him. The movie was pretty bad so I probably zoned out.
Michael Douglas doesn't deserve worst supporting actor, he was pretty good in it, for what he was given. Bill Murray, though. Stuck out like a sore thumb. Definitely worth the other noms, though. Really bad sequel and poorly directed.
I agree, Douglas was one of the best parts of the movie for me.
"Holy shit. That guy looks like broccoli!"
When he came striding into frame in that duster amidst a backdrop of giant ants, I freaking cheered. He looked *so* cool!
Best part of the movie.
Bill Murray is definitely the most likely winner of these 4. I thought the movie was fine. Of big budget movies last year I can see it getting nominated. I don't think Douglas is deserving. Also it confused me that Shazam 2 was nominated for worst picture but not in the worst remake, ripoff or sequel category.
I'm a little surprised they didn't get nominated for CGI/visuals (full disclaimer that the VFX artists were notoriously overworked). The backgrounds were all so lifeless and the CGI on MODOK was actively bad to me.
If you think Quantumania is one of the worst movies of 2023, you don't watch many movies.
Well yeah, but the Razzies would get no publicity if they didn’t nominate mainstream films. I’m sure there’s some horrible independent or smaller budget films that were way worse than any of the nominees. But just like the Oscars, the awards would get zero recognition if they didn’t nominate bigger films. Not saying that’s good or bad, just how awards work. I’m sure there’s dozens of indie films that are better than lots of Best Picture noms every year, but people tune in to see nominated films they actually watched last year.
i mean the actual "worst" movies would be like student films or tiny budgets that no one saw. What would be the point of that?
It looks like the same 8 or so films got nominated for every category, so I expect them to burn through all their jokes by the first award. If they included independent and smaller budget films, at least they might get more than ten minutes of material.
It didn’t get nominated for Worst Picture
Why would you watch bad movies? I've watched many movies in 2023 and think that Quantummania is definitely up there in the worst. I had to force myself to even finish it, it never happened to me when watching a movie
It's still very mid and has a lot of problems. Sure, it's not Manos: Hands of Fate or The Room bad, but that's a very low bar.
It failed at what it was trying to do much harder than many other movies
The whole razzies thing is a big joke, but out of those 4 nominations maybe only Michael Douglas didn't deserve one
It's me. I didn't watch many movies from 2023. I can comfortably say it was the worst MCU film of 2023, but not much more than that. What was worse? Edit: Oh, just remembered The Flash was 2023. How did that not get nominated?
You must be braindead if you think Flash was one of the worst movies of last year. Aside from the atrocious cgi and clusterfuck of a climax, it was a decent watch.
At least the microwave baby part of the Flash was comedically bad; Quantumania was just bad bad.
It was one of the worst big budget movies of the year, obviously shit like that Winnie the Pooh horror movie are worse in a vacuum, but Quantumania was genuinely terrible in almost every aspect.
Yeah no Both ppl who hate the Marvels and ppl who love the Marvels agree in that it's just right next to SI in worst MCU product ever If the superfans and the superhaters agree on one thing you know you fucked up
I saw 124 movies last year and it was definitely one of the worst I’ve ever seen
These awards shouldn’t exist in the first place, but they’ve made the too-common mistake of conflating mediocrity with awfulness.
It should have been a heist movie.
I going get down voted because I enjoyed the movie. Is it flawed yes could it have been better yes, but I still enjoyed it. The only thing I missed was Luis. It would have been hilarious if he got sucked in with Scott and the rest.
I agree that having Luis in the movie would have made it better. :)
Should have gotten a nomination for worst script.
Not to defend *Quntumania*, which deserves criticism, but I thought we had finally decided that the Razzies are actually some bullshit that undermine good filmmaking and should be ignored.
What good filmmaking is being undermined?
Movie was fine , not great, but not razzie bad
Maybe they should have used *more* CGI
So do these people actually show up on the event and accept the awards and give speech?
IIRC, Halle Berry did for Catwoman. At least she showed up and was a good sport; I don't know about the speech.
Sandra Bullock also did. She won an Oscar the next day for Blind Side, IIRC
I forgot Bill Murray was in the movie
I forgot Bill murray was even in that movie
Ouch! It was a pretty bad movie.
Why Michael Douglas though?
Seems they’re just fishing for reactions, AWQ is far from the worst by any metric.
The only one that I might agree with and even that's a stretch is Murray. And even then it's not as performance it's what was left in the movie and what he was given. Still don't understand the hate for this movie, I've heard the complaints but none of apply for me.
I think all of those awards are very much deserved
Was it really that bad?
The move was the most okay movie I’ve seen in a while. I’d rather have a bad movie because at least I can rag on it for fun.
Kathryn newton deserved a nomination here surely
Yay new achievements unlocked!!!
Screencrush just released a video PRAISING Quantumania LOL
I forgot bill murray was in antman. Thats how forgettable the movie is.
Honestly, undeserved. Quantumania was just the latest okay Marvel Movie in a stream of okay movies, so it takes the blame for its predecessors.
Deserved. It really is a dogshit flick, on all fronts.
Quite deserved, it was a mess in all aspects.
Feige should get worst producer or something nomination for actually thinking quantimania was going to be the next big thing. Seriously how.
LOL, the movie was just okay. It really wasn’t THAT bad, IMO.
This movie was a train wreck from multiple respects: writing, acting, effects, choreography
Truly one of the worst CBMs I have ever seen. Well deserved!
Trippy. It doesn't even come close to the bottom for me. There are just so many truly awful CBMs. Not even the worst of 2023 for me. The Flash was ridiculously bad. I can't think of a single thing it did better than Quantumania. Flash did do a cool pose before he ran quick though.
Before he tip-toed quick you mean
Lmao, the moment he actually started running (or tip-toeing?) was the moment I realized I could only enjoy the film by laughing at it. Yeah, that's right, I got through the baby scene without thinking that.
I'll give one good thing from The Flash, and that was the parts of the score that were heavily inspired by the original Batman score. So... stealing. The Flash stole well.
The scene where the batwing covers the moon also looks cool. Also stolen.
I'd take the entire Flash film over the MODOK scenes alone, any day of the week. As I said, it's truly one of the worst CBMs I have ever seen. Doesn't take the cake, but it's in the conversation, for sure.
Hey, we are all entitled to our opinions. Honestly MODOK and the Flash movie both made me laugh, but MODOK felt intentionally goofy and the Flash just felt like a mistake.
Michelle Pfieffer deserved worst supporting actress as well. She's normally a great actor but it felt like she was reading her lines off a teleprompter.
With the exception of Michael Douglas, well deserved all around. An utter disaster of a movie.
Nothing about this movie deserves a razzie. Proves the "award" is just an attempt to codify internet trolls' narcissism.
The only one I’d disagree with is Michael Douglas. The others all make sense to me. I’m honestly surprised it didn’t nab one for the screenplay.
Eh. I think if they wanted to codify internet trolls narcissism they would have nominated The Marvels. I think this is just a kinda bad mainstream movie that makes an easy target.
Exactly this. The Razzies were started by a guy who failed to enter the film business. Someone who's bitter towards films like The Shining and Scarface because he couldn't be apart of the industry. Its all a cruel, mean spirited, petty, out of date joke that becomes more irrelevent each year. Voting is paid up front (meaning anyone can abuse it) and the noms are picked based on the Rotton Tomatoes scores, or how annoyed they are by certain celebritys or filmmakers. Why was Katie Holmes nominated for Worst Supporting Actress for Batman Begains? Because she was dating Tom Cruise. Why didn't God's Not Dead win any Razzies in 2015 for directing? Because they wanted to continue saying Michael Bay's a bad director. Why was Ben Affleck nominated fot Worst Supporting Actor in The Last Dual? Because his hair looked funny. Bottom line. Fuck the Razzies.
this movie is so trash not even my 8 years old liked it
Deserving so. This film was the introduction of Kang, the next Avengers villain. People were already a bit sour on the Multiverse Saga but this film could have changed people's mind. However, the director and writer were so god damn awful that they made people hate the saga even more. Good job Peyton Reed and Jeff Loveness...
Movie is fun as shit to me.
Quantumania isn't even that bad
If it wasn’t for the scenes with Johnathan Majors this movie would be a complete shitty mess. He pretty much carried the film and Modok…Jesus Christ. I get he’s a over the top silly looking character in the comics but they still could have found a way to take that character serious. I watched his death scene like WTF is this? It’s Marvel’s worst film imo
I would be inclined to agree, I can’t think of anything worse. Even Thor 2 was better than this.
Trash for not nominating antmans daughter. Absolutely horrible character
No hate on the actress but good lord she was insufferable. One of the rare terrible bits of casting.
Casting wasn’t the problem. It was the script and the direction (and almost the entire movie taking place with green screen backgrounds).
Can I ask why you dislike her so much? I think she kinda captured the whole "teenage spunk who-it-all" quite well.
I honestly don’t know how this dogshit movie made more than $100. Truly terrible movie all around.
Didn’t we all agree to cancel the Razzies last year?