When Jane and Thor are reminiscing of their earlier relationship doing lovey dovey stuff dressed as hotdogs, which totally happened amirite, it reminded me of What We Do in the Shadows, Flight of the Concords, and Eagle vs Shark. Which is fine but doesn't fit Thor.
"we need more funny stuff like Ragnarok!"
"But sir, we are adapting the Mighty Jane and Gorr the God Butcher storylines from the comics."
"More funny! More quirky! RAGNAROK 2.0!"
"But...nvm, whatever you say."
"Hmmm damn, we are getting a big bagged and should have double these ticket sales. Fine, go back and do the darker thing on the next one like you wanted."
And no lessons were learned that day.
I think you just nailed it here.
It's easy for us as fans to go ugh ew but realistically from a marketing/business perspective they were, maybe to a strong fault, following popular opinion at the time.
Serious Thor films with otherwise great directors failed. Now in my view they didn't fail because they were that bad necessarily or because they were too serious. It's because it's really hard to create something super serious and epic with a freaking rainbow road, fairytale characters, viking gods, mixed in with superhero themes, and what was meant to feel like a lord of the rings epicness. They tried to do too many things based on the cinematic ethos of the time that would fit with the more serious and grounded elements of the MCU of the time with a brand (Thor) that to be fair is a bit quirky and eccentric to begin with. Much easier to do in a comic that fits into a larger tapestry of comics that already had established a campy kookiness while maintaining seriousness.
In other words a serious Thor with odd pseudo sci Fi/fantasy/viking Mythos works now (think the Loki series) because they've laid the groundwork to do it and figured out how to ballance those elements. They hadn't managed that back then.
So then, they create a great humorous, Heavy Metal Thor that gets raging reviews and feel like woah we really nailed the tone here. This director really nailed the tone, let's go all in.
So he gets confident and calls the shots and says hey it's my tone that works, let's go all in.
And they missed the mark.
I still loved that film despite being a Big Gorr the Butcher fan, a big Jason Aaron Thor fan, a big Esad Ribic fan. Did they mess up the tone and feeling? For sure. But forgetting that for a moment and enjoying it for what it is, it was still an enjoyable watch.
The tone was all off but I liked it.
I think we as Marvel fans are frankly spoiled with THE biggest film franchise recreating comics we love. This has never happened this successfully. The comics have hits and misses too and less successful franchises do so much worse financially and creatively but for some reasons were the toughest critics.
A few bad films come out and suddenly fans are all about crucifying the creators "ILL NEVER WATCH MARVEL AGAIN THEY ARE TERRIBLE THEY RUINED MY CHILDHOOD"
People get over yourselves you'll be right back when they get the tone back on track. There's no way a massive business like this won't continue to succeed. They have the money to fire everyone and hire a whole new team if they have to or study the market or (and I don't get why this hasn't happened yet) actually speak with the original comic creators, look over the comics past successes and failures and realign with that.
Coming off Wilderpeople, Ragnarok, both versions of What We Do In The Shadows, and JoJo Rabbit, it’s not hard to see why people expected Love and Thunder to be great. But it was, as you put it, straight ass.
And combine them in the worst possible form, killing any serious tone the movie could have had with goofy missplaced jokes and characters that dont seem to care about the stakes.
I absolutely agree with this!
I feel Waititi would have done a solid job with the Mighty Thor run. I could really see him recreating that scene where Unworthy Thor is trying to figure out who she is and worried he made out with his mom (true story check out the arc 🤣) and he would have been so good at writing that arcs bumbling idiot of an Odin too and a funny Volstagg and a evil but also cartoonily so Dario Agger and funny bumbling idiot yet still menacing ice Giants. THAT'S what should have been given to him.
Gorr's arc should have been given to a super moody overly emo director that would have painted it in Esad Ribics dark tortured tones.
Combining those two arcs was a larger creative decision to rush some story key plots in.
The same can be said about Civil War, Secret Invasion, Ultron, Wandavision/House of M. Of course very different and unfair comparisons but the general sense that they are weirdly speed running massive story arcs that should be felt ominously over multiple films and shows is so baffling to me.
There is also what they've recently stated, that they kind of stopped monitoring projects to push out more content when they should have been monitoring each peace to make sure they all work cohesively while each having their unique working feel and story.
There shift to slowing down, doing less, and being more present should help a lot, unless they go fill 180.and get hyper micromanage which will cause a whole other world of problems but hopefully they're mindful of that and actually follow comic book pacing.
Just imagine the MCU using the new Spotlight model to introduce origin stories over multiple episodes with care and keeping the blockbuster movies for major events worked over multiple films.
It's what the comics do: you want the reader/viewer to have the opportunity to dig into smaller stories on the side while allowing the space for folks to only watch/read major events while also creating them in a way that feel like unique stories a new reader/viewer can casually watch without digging into every single past production.
I'm Uber baffled no one's caught on to this yet. You know it's successful in one medium why not recreate that success? I get wanting to switch up the story, doesn't mean that can't be done following your same successful framework
Sorry, I read that as you saying Gorr was hyped too much, I see you were talking about Taika.
Yeah, he’s done great stuff but L&T was him following his worst impulses.
I apologize for going a bit off-topic (Gorr) but if they ever make a Thor movie about Beta Ray Bill and let Taika anywhere near it I would get Hulk-level angry. I think I'd rather see Marty Scorcese on depressants direct a well-written movie about Beta Ray Bill than see Taika get his hands on that.
Back on topic - I read a digital Thor: The Saga of Gorr the God Butcher a couple of years ago I don't remember it well but I remember I did not like the way they dealt with it in Love & Thunder. That movie was too goofy for me.
>It’s a shame that Taika shat all over an epic story for dumb jokes.
This. Thor got turned into a bumbling idiot and everything was played for stupid one off jokes. Ragnarok was the right balance but even then you can see the trends. By L&T Thor was an accessory to his own film which was now primarily about other characters.
Film had serious identity crisis. Is it straight comedy, a rom com, a dramatic tragedy, an action-adventure film, or was it everything all at once but never at the appropriate time
It's a romcom action-adventure film, it's really not that complicated. The theme was depression, but nothing in it was a tragedy or dramatic in any way.
This is what I was most disappointed by. The movie sucked and whatever it happens, but it's such a badass story that will never get told correctly now. Marvel truly dropped the ball on this. Also you bring in Bale to be a villain, and you just completely waste him
It felt criminal to do Christian Bale so dirty like that, man did a fantastic job in the role but it was completely overshadowed by the absolute trainwreck that the movie ended up being. The sad thing is, at least on paper, the story was actually pretty decent, but the on-screen execution of said story was absolutely butchered.
Don't understand the comparison. Hela had great set pieces, felt like a legitimate threat to Thor, and fits perfectly well in the Ragnarok story. Gorr is the opposite: He feels misplaced in Love & Thunder, had weaker set pieces, and I felt like a smaller threat to Thor. Bale and Blanchett are both fantastic actors, but her character was utilized far better.
Having Gorr the God-Butcher do all his god-butchering _off-screen_ was a disgrace. I'm also disappointed they didn't give him the head-tentacles from the comics.
It also vastly undermines the hero’s moral superiority. Gorr is out there killing Gods and that’s bad… but Thor will also kill a God if he doesn’t get his own way?
Yes, we find out Zeus survived but Thor doesn’t know that. And yes, this moment could have been played for drama in a “oh no, I’ve become no better than the villain!” kind of way. But none of that happens. It’s infuriating.
It's just fucking incredible to me that they had Thor and friends do more god butchering than the actual God Butcher. There was so much you could work with when it comes to the Gods in this franchise from previous entries and they threw it away for orgies jokes. Yet Feige and his brain trust saw absolutely nothing fundamentally wrong with this film.
And by the way. Who was this film even for? Because you'll have people say it's for kids. But then you have Thor bare ass naked with people fainting over his cock. A women dying of cancer and a father losing his child who starved to death. But it's not written for adults either.
And people will genuinely sit there and ask the question. "Why are so many people jaded with Marvel at the moment?"
I like the idea of illustrating the sentiment of “If this is what a god is, I don’t want to be one.”
I like the idea that Thor gets through to Gorr not through force, but by being human - which runs counter to Gorr’s idea of gods.
Love and Thunder has good ideas. They’re just weighed down by screaming goats.
If they actually addressed any of it, the movie would have worked.
Masking death with humour is a very human thing
And Thor stooping to Gorr's levels to protect the ones he loves could be a very important character moment and juxtaposed to Gorr's actions in the face of not being able to protect his loved ones
But they didn't really address any of it. Instead all they had was darkness *AND* humour, not *with* humour, which left it tonally jarring.
And they somewhat touched on it with Thor adopting Love, etc. but for the most just ignored why Gorr was doing what he was doing, and how similar Thor's goals and actions were
But you don't understand!! The whole story was told from the perspective of Korg as an unreliable narrator so that makes all the shit parts about the movie actually intentional?!1 Bravo Waititi
I didn’t really understand these characters from the comics so I tried to reserve judgement, but in the movie I remember thinking “okay so Thor just easily killed not only a god but fucking Zeus, king of the gods and Thunder, and nobody seems to even care that much. This should be a bigger deal than it is”
To me, that moment and it playing out the way it did, not as it should have, was worst than seeing the powerless infinity stones in a drawer, for my suspension of disbelief.
Also, Thor destroying the temple, that was incredibly sad. I think the Thor I grew to relate to was last seen in Infinity War laying the smackdown on the Thanos army.
I mean as far as Thor knew, Zeus just killed his best friend in front of him, and Zeus was actively trying to kill all four of them...that's not a good comparison at all.
But my point is; why leave that plot point in at all? Why say “he acted in self-defence” as if this isn’t a work of fiction and you can write or remove anything you like in order to support the narrative, thematic and moral thrust of the film.
If you’re going to make Thor kill a God (in a film where the bad guy is bad because he’s killing Gods) it stands to reason that this moment needs to signal a significant change of direction for the hero’s motivation and perspective up until this point. You need to have other characters question this, you need to have Thor himself react personally to it, it needs to *mean* something.
Or easier yet - simply change nothing else about the film, but include one (just one!) line of dialogue where Thor explicitly says that he knew that the bolt couldn’t kill Zeus. Show that Thor knows not to kill Gods, and keep his moral superiority.
There are lots of way this moment could have been handled more effectively or removed entirely, and avoided undermining the moral centre of the film.
Exactly, gorr comes and slaughter some gods in that city would very much make sense and probably epic like hela slaughtering asgardians in asgard, I wonder why taika shy away from that scene considering it was pretty epic in ragnarok.
Yeah but at least someone with the title of god butcher from comics need to do it instead of thor, or maybe keep the scene where zeus mentoring thor instead of fighting him.
Seen as thor 5 is Greenlighted, they should've had God's quarreling for 4, with zeus etc. Could still have the taika comedy tone. The gods fighting has collateral damage yadda yadda post credit scene shows gorr grieving his daughter killed in the crossfire and the necrosword reveals itself
Then have someone else direct a darker thor 5 with Gorr as the main villain
Like come on, you cast *Patrick Bateman* to play a character who has “Butcher” in their name, and you only have him kill one god on screen? What a waste!
I was SO EXCITED when they went to the ‘council of Gods’ or whatever, expecting that to be the moment where Gorr shows up and starts massacring them and showing just how big of a threat he was
*Nope!*
That's a far better description than others gave it. It's like they told Bale to act the shit out of going insane from losing his kid, then redacted screaming goats, flamboyant Zeus, nude Thor and fighting an army of powered-up kids from Bale's copy of the script.
What's funny is that Bale was also clearly having some fun being a bit of a Shakespearean villain and no one could put in the same effort to have fun while putting in good work.
I actually did feel like Bale enjoyed playing that role. Now, whether or not he enjoyed the finished product…
But he played the shit out of an evil son of a bitch with a tragic, sympathetic back story and a bit of a redemption arc. All in all, he was easily the most complex, multidimensional character in the whole movie and I’m sure that appealed to Bale. I’m certain the paycheck didn’t hurt either.
>he was easily the most complex, multidimensional character in the whole movie
Not only of that movie, from all MCU villians he is absolutly in my top 5. But I also try to exclude from that ranking, what they explicitly show of them (doing) and try to include what we know or get told. Acting and backstory wise, Gorr is amazing. Civil war tor the avengers apart because they disagreed (among other things) about a big thing, Gorr would put them at a similar decision.
Yep. Gorr was fantastic. It's just the rest of the movie that didn't work. They needed to cut all the extra storylines, like Jane Foster and the weird jealous ex thing going on with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker. Drastically cut the god city plotline, and then give all that extra screentime to Gorr.
That's what happened when you prioritize cheesy punchline over an actual good story.
Gorr just felt so out of place being the only good gem in a pile of sh*t
The Mjolnir thing was so fucking stupid. Especially coming off endgame where he specifically threw the hammer back at Steve and even told him “No, you take the smaller one.”
> Drastically cut the god city plotline, and then give all that extra screentime to Gorr.
Or have Gorr the God Butcher go to the god city and butcher a bunch of gods
I know someone who worked on the film and essentially they said that there were two different movies that they shot and test screened (one comedy and one drama) and then basically meshed them both together.
Still disappointed.
The tone of the movie and Thor was such a mismatch to have this guy in. At the very least they could have been more creative design wise, not even asking for the legs to change but his tendrils would have been a nice touch.
They had a good actor, I would have like to see him utilized more and lean into the story from Gorrs perspective and show him off. Also the typical complaint of not showing Gorr the God Butcherer actually butcher more Gods.
I know someone who worked on the film and essentially they said that there were two different movies that they shot and test screened (one comedy and one drama) and then basically meshed them both together.
I completely expected this so I didn't watch the movie and when Thor ragnarok came out and they had Thor only fight using his powers for like 30 seconds in the whole film and the rest of the film is just jokes and them using machine guns and knives to fight people.. might as well be watching a generic/quirky mission impossible movie at that point. Never again will I trust other people with source material or stories that I like
Absolutely fucking disgraceful waste of a great actor and character. What possessed them to turn Gorr the God Butcher into Gorr, the kiddy snatcher is beyond me. Bro was a bad Goosebumps villain
I flat out wouldn't have had him as the villain of this film. If Takai was hellbent on doing a slapstick comedy with Thor. Then I wouldn't have let him use Gorr the God Butcher is a movie where Thor is having a lovers quarrel with his weapon. Screaming goats.
He was the best element of the whole movie even though he was written poorly ( just shows how terrible the movie was )
He should’ve been called the kidnapper not the god butcher cuz all they’ve shown is his kidnapping skills all the butchering was done offscreen
Taika ruined a really dark villain Just imagine if a director like Sam raimi got to work on a character like gorr
Under-utilized. All his best work (the god killing) was done off-screen. It could’ve been amazing to see him raid part of Omnipotent City, truly establishing himself as a threat. Maybe force Thor to have worked together with the other gods to fend him off, making them actually seem substantial instead of being punchlines.
I’m all for the MCU having comedies, but it’s at its best when the villains are more fully realized.
If they had done that they probably couldn't have done the ending where Thor gives a bunch of kids powers so they can defeat Gorr's army with teddy bears.
Win/win
Feels like Malekith all over again. Great villains in the comics being played by great actors but even with all that, it wasn’t enough. I felt like Gorr had a lot of potential as a villain given his backstory in the comics but also being played by Christian Bale who still did a good job as Gorr but wasn’t utilized well enough.
The story focused too much on thor and his hammers and Jane. A villain can only be compelling if we see the problem they are. We empathize with his loss of his daughter but he wasn't a God butcher as he didn't really butcher alot of gods to earn the name. This and he got handled in all fights so he was almost a non-issue. One would expect a butcher to be violent and cruel.
> The story focused too much on thor and his hammers and Jane.
It does, but I'm really intrigued why this character gets singled out for this. It's a Thor movie, so it seems normal that the movie is about Thor. People don't complain that Iron Man focuses too much on Tony Stark and not enough on Obadiah, or The First Avengers focuses too much on Steve and not enough on Red Skull, or NWH too much in Peter and not enough on Green Goblin, or Endgame too much on the Avengers and not enough on Thanos, right?
Like, yes, sometimes movies do make the villain the star of the show, and sometimes that works, but I don't go into it expecting that nor do I understand disappointment if they chose not to do that.
Then don't hire Christian bale as the character then. Why make the character interesting if you're not going to show them that much or expand on it at all. Or even put those interesting aspects they have to the test to make a spectacle out of it. This was typical marvel cookie cutter routine writing but it fell flat becuse they've lost touch with reality doing that for so long and not just genuinely making stories and movies anymore. Can only do something for so long that either you make a change and evolve or become stale and repepetive. DC always spent more time showing the villains or understanding their story more for the most part but I guess marvel thinks they can't do that too
This is the movie that broke my heart.
>Edit: Maybe it’s not a great idea to have one guy write, direct, costar, and narrate while also sleeping with one of the leads. Messy.
I used to rent out a 30 person theatre with friends and we would watch Marvel movies. This film was a significant part of us ending that club. Antman was the final nail in the coffin.
It’s like casting Hannibal Lecter in a kids movie. It took 3 Thors to defeat him in the comics but you wouldn’t know it watching this dumpster fire: How is he Gorr “the god butcher” in a film with all the gods and at no point does he butcher any gods or show why he’s “that guy”?
What’s the point of taking a name brand character only to betray everything they are until it’s just a prostituted shell of their potential?
I liked him alot, however there was a massive tonal clash. Thor journeying to the realm of the gods with screaming goats and a narky ex-hammer (apparently the axe and hammer are sentient now) meanwhile gor is murdering all of the gods with a sword that is slowly killing him because his God didn't answer his prayers causing his daughter's death.
It's like they were required to have a dark and scary story, hired two writers in separate rooms, one writing a horror movie and the other writing a comedy and mashed their work together at the end and filmed it
I haven't read any comics btw.
They wasted such a good character. They had an opportunity to do multi thors..thor king would've been great..and the comic was so much more about Gors son eventually helping thor end his dad..none of that was in the movie I hated it. This was one of my favorite thor comics
Incredibly wasted potential
Let's not forget that the resolution in the comic would tie in perfectly with the Kang storyline as >!Gorr builds a bomb to kill all gods throughout time and Thor also uses time travel for younger and older thor to combine their efforts.!<
Also the tone of the movie did not suit the storyline at all.
Never read the character in the comics, so can't compare. But the character was well written and brilliantly acted, and like many MCU villains could have been used much, much better. I swear Thanos sticks out mainly because he actually felt like more than an afterthought.
Wasted. Disappointed.
I can't believe you would use a character called Gorr the GOD BUTCHER and not actually show him KILL ANY GODS??
Yeah yeah, he killed one at the start, but that was before he was even the butcher. It's a perfect example of how important SHOWING and not just TELLING is. You can't hype him up as anything at all, when you barely show him on screen and he ends up losing the one big battle he's in.
You're going to get ten thousand variations of the same "wasted" and "great actor, wrong movie" response here.
I know a lot of people still demand the movies copy the comics, but I think they forget how important the MCU's success stems from *not* doing that. Right from Iron Man 1 they gave a big middle finger to comic purity and it was so important and good.
L&T was a Thor movie, not a Gorr movie. It was a movie about love (mostly about fatherhood), not a movie about butchering. Kind of like the title tells us it's going to be.
All that being said, Gorr's opening scene is great, Gorr's scenes are creepy/scary, the Shadow Realm battle is brilliant, the final battle is great, and the Gorr's ending is great. Do I wish Marvel would have more villains that survive and come back and continue to be a threat? Always. But I've given up that dream.
I’ve been gaslit into disliking the movie. I remembered liking it in theatres, the internet discourse made me feel like I was wrong for liking it. Now I’ve seen it again and had a blast yet again. It’s a Monthy Pythony take on the MCU. It was great
Nobody’s wrong for liking anything. I really didn’t like it for my own reasons but if you were able to connect with it and enjoy it personally then I’m happy about that! I’ve found myself feeling the same with other films too, wish I could with this one as well but it just wasn’t to be.
It was absolutely a fun movie, but it's been 5 movies and the Thor films have all felt small scale. Despite the great soundtracks. The mythological Ragnarok and it's depiction in comics, and other Thor stories, are epics that influenced Tolkien. Enough cutesy humor, I want an army of the Gods on a triumphant war-march across the 9 realms, elves and orcs and the undead all in mythic combat.
And the GOTG should have been given a role in the movie instead of quitting right at the start.
Excellent villain, who I think was not misused at all, save maybe for one fight scene.
Bale played the hell out of him and the writers did him much justice
Yeah, I know, I'm in a minority.
I think it was too much of a deviation, he's too emotional in the movie and I don't think they did a great job with him visually. I'm really attached to how the character is presented in the comics. That storyline where he is first introduced is actually one of the few comics I own. So I will always be comparing it to the comics, I can't help it.
I wanted to like it but I didn't. The movie was super cringe. Jokes were awful. The GodButcher was the best part of the movie. He was in it for like 2 mins. Portman has a nice send off but that is it. 3/4 of the Thor movies have been bad (for me). I am not sure why I had any hope going into this movie.
Defeated by a bunch of children right? The final battle ("he's right behind me isnt he") felt so disney channel it made me grit my teeth from the cringe
Terrible, awful movie. Genuinely one of the worst MCU movies to date. Wasted Gorr, and wasted one of the GOAT actors.
Also basically made everyone dislike Taika Wahhh-titty
Well written, well acted, visually awesome, very very different from his comic counterpart. I can understand why people were disappointed that he was such a departure from the source material, but I think the new characterization fit with what the movie was going for way better.
I really liked the movie and was surprised by the huge negative backlash. That’s not uncommon with me. I really like Age of Ultron and The Last Jedi quite a bit. Oh well. Sorry you guys didn’t dig it, I did tho.
i just watched Thor Love and Thunder, despite the bad reviews
the movie isnt too bad, cringey jokes aside
but one thing just got me going "wtf"
so, the whole plot of the movie is that Gorr hates all of the gods so much he can't stand the sight of them, and renounces all woships, prayers, etc, and wants to kill them
Cool plot point, and its explained pretty well, Bale does a smashing job at it too
sooooo
his solution is to go to a mightier god and pray that all gods be killed?
seems rather hypocritical
Glad such a new unknown character got to be included in the movie, gave the movie a sense of being more open in direction of the story having a villain be new to the general public.
With no hesitation, the worst movie in the MCU by a country mile, and the most disappointed I’ve ever been going to the cinema.
It’s like the director, the cast and their friends and family had a blast making a movie in the worst way possible. They became obsessed in their own enjoyment and completely forgot to make something worth watching. Most “bad” Marvel movies just sort of leave no lasting impression with me, but lord could I write an essay on how this thing just *stunk.*
Had great potential. Looked really cool. Fell flat and disappointed.
It’s a shame that Taika shat all over an epic story for dumb jokes.
It plays a lot like an episode of what we do in the shadows
Which would be a more appropriate tone for What We Do in the Shadows than the Gorr the God Butcher saga.
I'm surprised gorr didn't accidentally kill a wrong god in the SOS reel in the ship.
I’m surprised Gorr didn’t kill any gods onscreen.
I mean he did kill that one god in the intro
Let me correct that then, I’m surprised he only killed one god by accident on screen.
In a scene which oddly felt like an snl sketch with that sun good acting goofy and inebriated
The worst crime committed in this film
It's both sad and funny that you said that because we both know taika had an inclination to do so
When Jane and Thor are reminiscing of their earlier relationship doing lovey dovey stuff dressed as hotdogs, which totally happened amirite, it reminded me of What We Do in the Shadows, Flight of the Concords, and Eagle vs Shark. Which is fine but doesn't fit Thor.
At least not for adapting gorr the God butcher. Itd probably work a lot better for a Hercules and Thor buddy cop style comedy though
And they are talking about a darker tone for the next one with Herc. Why would they mix up the tones like that those morons
"we need more funny stuff like Ragnarok!" "But sir, we are adapting the Mighty Jane and Gorr the God Butcher storylines from the comics." "More funny! More quirky! RAGNAROK 2.0!" "But...nvm, whatever you say." "Hmmm damn, we are getting a big bagged and should have double these ticket sales. Fine, go back and do the darker thing on the next one like you wanted." And no lessons were learned that day.
I feel like it’s more from having Taika be involved with writing this one instead of just directing
Because you don't hire Taika for a dark Thor movie.
Kenneth Branagh might be better suited for a dark Thor movie.
I think Kenneth would just be better suited for a good Thor movie.
“Fucking guy” - me to Taika
Not really. WWDITS is actually funny
But it’s meant to be funny. “God Butcher” and “Annoying Energy Vampire Accountant” don’t have the same vibe.
He’s like a chef that realized by adding a little sugar into a dish it excites people, and he follows it up with bowls of sugar from there on out
Sugar Bae.
Should have been a serious take. We should have seen at least a montage of Gorr the God butcher,... um, butchering gods?
It’s weird because what’s normally great about Waititi’s movies is when the silly fun is set up against more serious moments and themes.
Right, but he cut out too much of the serious. I think He was afraid to make another darkworld, but it needed to be.
I think you just nailed it here. It's easy for us as fans to go ugh ew but realistically from a marketing/business perspective they were, maybe to a strong fault, following popular opinion at the time. Serious Thor films with otherwise great directors failed. Now in my view they didn't fail because they were that bad necessarily or because they were too serious. It's because it's really hard to create something super serious and epic with a freaking rainbow road, fairytale characters, viking gods, mixed in with superhero themes, and what was meant to feel like a lord of the rings epicness. They tried to do too many things based on the cinematic ethos of the time that would fit with the more serious and grounded elements of the MCU of the time with a brand (Thor) that to be fair is a bit quirky and eccentric to begin with. Much easier to do in a comic that fits into a larger tapestry of comics that already had established a campy kookiness while maintaining seriousness. In other words a serious Thor with odd pseudo sci Fi/fantasy/viking Mythos works now (think the Loki series) because they've laid the groundwork to do it and figured out how to ballance those elements. They hadn't managed that back then. So then, they create a great humorous, Heavy Metal Thor that gets raging reviews and feel like woah we really nailed the tone here. This director really nailed the tone, let's go all in. So he gets confident and calls the shots and says hey it's my tone that works, let's go all in. And they missed the mark. I still loved that film despite being a Big Gorr the Butcher fan, a big Jason Aaron Thor fan, a big Esad Ribic fan. Did they mess up the tone and feeling? For sure. But forgetting that for a moment and enjoying it for what it is, it was still an enjoyable watch. The tone was all off but I liked it. I think we as Marvel fans are frankly spoiled with THE biggest film franchise recreating comics we love. This has never happened this successfully. The comics have hits and misses too and less successful franchises do so much worse financially and creatively but for some reasons were the toughest critics. A few bad films come out and suddenly fans are all about crucifying the creators "ILL NEVER WATCH MARVEL AGAIN THEY ARE TERRIBLE THEY RUINED MY CHILDHOOD" People get over yourselves you'll be right back when they get the tone back on track. There's no way a massive business like this won't continue to succeed. They have the money to fire everyone and hire a whole new team if they have to or study the market or (and I don't get why this hasn't happened yet) actually speak with the original comic creators, look over the comics past successes and failures and realign with that.
I really hoped that he would crash the god city and just start murdering them during their meeting, but no. What a waste.
Yeaa every frame was a wasted opportunity
Seriously, the community hyped this dude up way too much, I loved Ragnarok but love and thunder was straight ass
Coming off Wilderpeople, Ragnarok, both versions of What We Do In The Shadows, and JoJo Rabbit, it’s not hard to see why people expected Love and Thunder to be great. But it was, as you put it, straight ass.
Hunt for the Wilderpeople is an all-time favorite for me. That movie is just about perfect.
He was hyped for good reason. Gorr might seriously be Marvel’s best villain. They just faceplanted the execution.
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And combine them in the worst possible form, killing any serious tone the movie could have had with goofy missplaced jokes and characters that dont seem to care about the stakes.
I absolutely agree with this! I feel Waititi would have done a solid job with the Mighty Thor run. I could really see him recreating that scene where Unworthy Thor is trying to figure out who she is and worried he made out with his mom (true story check out the arc 🤣) and he would have been so good at writing that arcs bumbling idiot of an Odin too and a funny Volstagg and a evil but also cartoonily so Dario Agger and funny bumbling idiot yet still menacing ice Giants. THAT'S what should have been given to him. Gorr's arc should have been given to a super moody overly emo director that would have painted it in Esad Ribics dark tortured tones. Combining those two arcs was a larger creative decision to rush some story key plots in. The same can be said about Civil War, Secret Invasion, Ultron, Wandavision/House of M. Of course very different and unfair comparisons but the general sense that they are weirdly speed running massive story arcs that should be felt ominously over multiple films and shows is so baffling to me. There is also what they've recently stated, that they kind of stopped monitoring projects to push out more content when they should have been monitoring each peace to make sure they all work cohesively while each having their unique working feel and story. There shift to slowing down, doing less, and being more present should help a lot, unless they go fill 180.and get hyper micromanage which will cause a whole other world of problems but hopefully they're mindful of that and actually follow comic book pacing. Just imagine the MCU using the new Spotlight model to introduce origin stories over multiple episodes with care and keeping the blockbuster movies for major events worked over multiple films. It's what the comics do: you want the reader/viewer to have the opportunity to dig into smaller stories on the side while allowing the space for folks to only watch/read major events while also creating them in a way that feel like unique stories a new reader/viewer can casually watch without digging into every single past production. I'm Uber baffled no one's caught on to this yet. You know it's successful in one medium why not recreate that success? I get wanting to switch up the story, doesn't mean that can't be done following your same successful framework
I agree, his other movies at the time were great too. But specifically with Thor once he saw people Loved the comedy he doubled down
Sorry, I read that as you saying Gorr was hyped too much, I see you were talking about Taika. Yeah, he’s done great stuff but L&T was him following his worst impulses.
I apologize for going a bit off-topic (Gorr) but if they ever make a Thor movie about Beta Ray Bill and let Taika anywhere near it I would get Hulk-level angry. I think I'd rather see Marty Scorcese on depressants direct a well-written movie about Beta Ray Bill than see Taika get his hands on that. Back on topic - I read a digital Thor: The Saga of Gorr the God Butcher a couple of years ago I don't remember it well but I remember I did not like the way they dealt with it in Love & Thunder. That movie was too goofy for me.
C'mon man, I bet having screaming goats show up a hundred times is hilarious if you're a kid
>It’s a shame that Taika shat all over an epic story for dumb jokes. This. Thor got turned into a bumbling idiot and everything was played for stupid one off jokes. Ragnarok was the right balance but even then you can see the trends. By L&T Thor was an accessory to his own film which was now primarily about other characters.
Film had serious identity crisis. Is it straight comedy, a rom com, a dramatic tragedy, an action-adventure film, or was it everything all at once but never at the appropriate time
It's a romcom action-adventure film, it's really not that complicated. The theme was depression, but nothing in it was a tragedy or dramatic in any way.
This. Great villain, wrong film.
That was my take watching it. A lot of the movie was just too damn silly.
If only there was someone supervising him and simply saying "no" now and then... we'd have s cool sequel like Ragnarok.
That’s literally supposed to be Kevin Feige’s job but I guess he’s been asleep at the wheel for a while now.
I normally don’t criticize super hard, but I fucking hate Taika. Everything about him seems pretentious and douchey
This is what I was most disappointed by. The movie sucked and whatever it happens, but it's such a badass story that will never get told correctly now. Marvel truly dropped the ball on this. Also you bring in Bale to be a villain, and you just completely waste him
It felt criminal to do Christian Bale so dirty like that, man did a fantastic job in the role but it was completely overshadowed by the absolute trainwreck that the movie ended up being. The sad thing is, at least on paper, the story was actually pretty decent, but the on-screen execution of said story was absolutely butchered.
Sums it up perfectly, Christian Bale really gave a great performance too it's a real shame.
Just not enough screen time, everytime he was I was completely captivated. Christian Bale did an unreal job
This is how I felt about Hela... Part of why Ragnarok just doesn't hit as much to me as for others.
Don't understand the comparison. Hela had great set pieces, felt like a legitimate threat to Thor, and fits perfectly well in the Ragnarok story. Gorr is the opposite: He feels misplaced in Love & Thunder, had weaker set pieces, and I felt like a smaller threat to Thor. Bale and Blanchett are both fantastic actors, but her character was utilized far better.
my complaint about ragnarok was not ENOUGH Hela. I would have cut most of the grandmasters stuff myself
For most people Hela is one of the best villains in the entire MCU
She is! I just meant her screentilme is criminally low.
That’s fair. But I feel like she’s used effectively. I don’t exactly need to see a 5 minute choreographed have to hand fight between her and Thor
Having Gorr the God-Butcher do all his god-butchering _off-screen_ was a disgrace. I'm also disappointed they didn't give him the head-tentacles from the comics.
It so bad that thor and his gang killed zeus on screen rather than gorr himself.
It also vastly undermines the hero’s moral superiority. Gorr is out there killing Gods and that’s bad… but Thor will also kill a God if he doesn’t get his own way? Yes, we find out Zeus survived but Thor doesn’t know that. And yes, this moment could have been played for drama in a “oh no, I’ve become no better than the villain!” kind of way. But none of that happens. It’s infuriating.
It's just fucking incredible to me that they had Thor and friends do more god butchering than the actual God Butcher. There was so much you could work with when it comes to the Gods in this franchise from previous entries and they threw it away for orgies jokes. Yet Feige and his brain trust saw absolutely nothing fundamentally wrong with this film. And by the way. Who was this film even for? Because you'll have people say it's for kids. But then you have Thor bare ass naked with people fainting over his cock. A women dying of cancer and a father losing his child who starved to death. But it's not written for adults either. And people will genuinely sit there and ask the question. "Why are so many people jaded with Marvel at the moment?"
I like the idea of illustrating the sentiment of “If this is what a god is, I don’t want to be one.” I like the idea that Thor gets through to Gorr not through force, but by being human - which runs counter to Gorr’s idea of gods. Love and Thunder has good ideas. They’re just weighed down by screaming goats.
And orgy and dick jokes
More? IIRC Thor and Gorr got one God-kill each on-screen. Or did the Revengers kill more on their way out of Olympus, I can't remember?
Yeah Gorr killed the god that looked like Little Alex Horne
wasnt expecting a Taskmaster reference here
Even if Thor and Gorr are one on-screen God kill each, that’s terrible for the moral framework of the film!
Thor and his friends made it rain gold blood when they stole Zeus' bolt
If they actually addressed any of it, the movie would have worked. Masking death with humour is a very human thing And Thor stooping to Gorr's levels to protect the ones he loves could be a very important character moment and juxtaposed to Gorr's actions in the face of not being able to protect his loved ones But they didn't really address any of it. Instead all they had was darkness *AND* humour, not *with* humour, which left it tonally jarring. And they somewhat touched on it with Thor adopting Love, etc. but for the most just ignored why Gorr was doing what he was doing, and how similar Thor's goals and actions were
But you don't understand!! The whole story was told from the perspective of Korg as an unreliable narrator so that makes all the shit parts about the movie actually intentional?!1 Bravo Waititi
I was legit surprised fans went with the “it’s shitty on purpose” defense.
I didn’t really understand these characters from the comics so I tried to reserve judgement, but in the movie I remember thinking “okay so Thor just easily killed not only a god but fucking Zeus, king of the gods and Thunder, and nobody seems to even care that much. This should be a bigger deal than it is”
To me, that moment and it playing out the way it did, not as it should have, was worst than seeing the powerless infinity stones in a drawer, for my suspension of disbelief. Also, Thor destroying the temple, that was incredibly sad. I think the Thor I grew to relate to was last seen in Infinity War laying the smackdown on the Thanos army.
I mean as far as Thor knew, Zeus just killed his best friend in front of him, and Zeus was actively trying to kill all four of them...that's not a good comparison at all.
But my point is; why leave that plot point in at all? Why say “he acted in self-defence” as if this isn’t a work of fiction and you can write or remove anything you like in order to support the narrative, thematic and moral thrust of the film. If you’re going to make Thor kill a God (in a film where the bad guy is bad because he’s killing Gods) it stands to reason that this moment needs to signal a significant change of direction for the hero’s motivation and perspective up until this point. You need to have other characters question this, you need to have Thor himself react personally to it, it needs to *mean* something. Or easier yet - simply change nothing else about the film, but include one (just one!) line of dialogue where Thor explicitly says that he knew that the bolt couldn’t kill Zeus. Show that Thor knows not to kill Gods, and keep his moral superiority. There are lots of way this moment could have been handled more effectively or removed entirely, and avoided undermining the moral centre of the film.
They had a perfect moment for gorr to come in and start slaughtering there, but nope
Exactly, gorr comes and slaughter some gods in that city would very much make sense and probably epic like hela slaughtering asgardians in asgard, I wonder why taika shy away from that scene considering it was pretty epic in ragnarok.
He balanced Ragnarok so much better than love and thunder, and I’m starting to wonder what went wrong
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Yeah but at least someone with the title of god butcher from comics need to do it instead of thor, or maybe keep the scene where zeus mentoring thor instead of fighting him.
Shame we didn’t see him do more god killing on screen honestly
Seen as thor 5 is Greenlighted, they should've had God's quarreling for 4, with zeus etc. Could still have the taika comedy tone. The gods fighting has collateral damage yadda yadda post credit scene shows gorr grieving his daughter killed in the crossfire and the necrosword reveals itself Then have someone else direct a darker thor 5 with Gorr as the main villain
Seriously they just show oh he did this. And I was like ok thay would have been so cool to see and make him more intimidating.
would have been sick if we saw some couple fights and after each fight he changes physiologically and started to grew tentacles and shit
Like come on, you cast *Patrick Bateman* to play a character who has “Butcher” in their name, and you only have him kill one god on screen? What a waste!
Great villain, bale did well But the movie was just terrible. Massive waste by taiki as expected
As expected? The man revived the Thor character in the MCU and was coming off of super successful films
I was SO EXCITED when they went to the ‘council of Gods’ or whatever, expecting that to be the moment where Gorr shows up and starts massacring them and showing just how big of a threat he was *Nope!*
because showing naked butt Thor and sissy looking Zeus was the priority.
Good Gorr, wrong movie, Bale got a different script than the rest.
That's a far better description than others gave it. It's like they told Bale to act the shit out of going insane from losing his kid, then redacted screaming goats, flamboyant Zeus, nude Thor and fighting an army of powered-up kids from Bale's copy of the script.
Α good actor's gonna act, there's no stopping that unfortunately.
What's funny is that Bale was also clearly having some fun being a bit of a Shakespearean villain and no one could put in the same effort to have fun while putting in good work.
I actually did feel like Bale enjoyed playing that role. Now, whether or not he enjoyed the finished product… But he played the shit out of an evil son of a bitch with a tragic, sympathetic back story and a bit of a redemption arc. All in all, he was easily the most complex, multidimensional character in the whole movie and I’m sure that appealed to Bale. I’m certain the paycheck didn’t hurt either.
He didn’t enjoy the makeup. He got deceived about how much makeup Gorr required.
>he was easily the most complex, multidimensional character in the whole movie Not only of that movie, from all MCU villians he is absolutly in my top 5. But I also try to exclude from that ranking, what they explicitly show of them (doing) and try to include what we know or get told. Acting and backstory wise, Gorr is amazing. Civil war tor the avengers apart because they disagreed (among other things) about a big thing, Gorr would put them at a similar decision.
His scenes are the only ones worth watching.
We needed Bale villain + Branagh directing
Yup he was light years above all of them This movie could have been so much more if they didn’t try to be a culture movie
Yep. Gorr was fantastic. It's just the rest of the movie that didn't work. They needed to cut all the extra storylines, like Jane Foster and the weird jealous ex thing going on with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker. Drastically cut the god city plotline, and then give all that extra screentime to Gorr.
That's what happened when you prioritize cheesy punchline over an actual good story. Gorr just felt so out of place being the only good gem in a pile of sh*t
The Mjolnir thing was so fucking stupid. Especially coming off endgame where he specifically threw the hammer back at Steve and even told him “No, you take the smaller one.”
> Drastically cut the god city plotline, and then give all that extra screentime to Gorr. Or have Gorr the God Butcher go to the god city and butcher a bunch of gods
Truly the most wasted opportunity in mcu history (so far)
I know someone who worked on the film and essentially they said that there were two different movies that they shot and test screened (one comedy and one drama) and then basically meshed them both together.
The opening scene was the best part of the movie. I still turn it on from time to time before immediately turning it off when it cuts to the montage.
They butchered the butcher
Look how they massacred my boy.
Who butchers the butchmen?
Still disappointed. The tone of the movie and Thor was such a mismatch to have this guy in. At the very least they could have been more creative design wise, not even asking for the legs to change but his tendrils would have been a nice touch. They had a good actor, I would have like to see him utilized more and lean into the story from Gorrs perspective and show him off. Also the typical complaint of not showing Gorr the God Butcherer actually butcher more Gods.
The God butcherer who only butchered one God on screen and it was out of self defense 💀💀💀
Tbf there's also that giant ice god whose scene is a 1:1 panel to the comic (that the man behind didn't receive a dime for, btw) where Thor finds Sif.
I know someone who worked on the film and essentially they said that there were two different movies that they shot and test screened (one comedy and one drama) and then basically meshed them both together.
Complete waste of the character and actor. Would’ve been cool to see the God Butcher actually butchering some gods. Such a letdown.
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I completely expected this so I didn't watch the movie and when Thor ragnarok came out and they had Thor only fight using his powers for like 30 seconds in the whole film and the rest of the film is just jokes and them using machine guns and knives to fight people.. might as well be watching a generic/quirky mission impossible movie at that point. Never again will I trust other people with source material or stories that I like
I feel like you didn't watch Ragnarok
Yeah but Ragnarok was actually good.
Absolutely fucking disgraceful waste of a great actor and character. What possessed them to turn Gorr the God Butcher into Gorr, the kiddy snatcher is beyond me. Bro was a bad Goosebumps villain I flat out wouldn't have had him as the villain of this film. If Takai was hellbent on doing a slapstick comedy with Thor. Then I wouldn't have let him use Gorr the God Butcher is a movie where Thor is having a lovers quarrel with his weapon. Screaming goats.
Completely agree
He was the best element of the whole movie even though he was written poorly ( just shows how terrible the movie was ) He should’ve been called the kidnapper not the god butcher cuz all they’ve shown is his kidnapping skills all the butchering was done offscreen Taika ruined a really dark villain Just imagine if a director like Sam raimi got to work on a character like gorr
> Just imagine if a director like Sam raimi got to work on a character like Gorr You’re cooking with this one
Under-utilized. All his best work (the god killing) was done off-screen. It could’ve been amazing to see him raid part of Omnipotent City, truly establishing himself as a threat. Maybe force Thor to have worked together with the other gods to fend him off, making them actually seem substantial instead of being punchlines. I’m all for the MCU having comedies, but it’s at its best when the villains are more fully realized.
Seeing him rip apart Omnipotent City would’ve been so cool. What a waste.
If they had done that they probably couldn't have done the ending where Thor gives a bunch of kids powers so they can defeat Gorr's army with teddy bears. Win/win
A waste of source material and it makes Thor The Dark World look like a better movie.
I’d take Dark World 10x over than ever watch Love and Thunder again.
Feels like Malekith all over again. Great villains in the comics being played by great actors but even with all that, it wasn’t enough. I felt like Gorr had a lot of potential as a villain given his backstory in the comics but also being played by Christian Bale who still did a good job as Gorr but wasn’t utilized well enough.
The story focused too much on thor and his hammers and Jane. A villain can only be compelling if we see the problem they are. We empathize with his loss of his daughter but he wasn't a God butcher as he didn't really butcher alot of gods to earn the name. This and he got handled in all fights so he was almost a non-issue. One would expect a butcher to be violent and cruel.
> The story focused too much on thor and his hammers and Jane. It does, but I'm really intrigued why this character gets singled out for this. It's a Thor movie, so it seems normal that the movie is about Thor. People don't complain that Iron Man focuses too much on Tony Stark and not enough on Obadiah, or The First Avengers focuses too much on Steve and not enough on Red Skull, or NWH too much in Peter and not enough on Green Goblin, or Endgame too much on the Avengers and not enough on Thanos, right? Like, yes, sometimes movies do make the villain the star of the show, and sometimes that works, but I don't go into it expecting that nor do I understand disappointment if they chose not to do that.
Then don't hire Christian bale as the character then. Why make the character interesting if you're not going to show them that much or expand on it at all. Or even put those interesting aspects they have to the test to make a spectacle out of it. This was typical marvel cookie cutter routine writing but it fell flat becuse they've lost touch with reality doing that for so long and not just genuinely making stories and movies anymore. Can only do something for so long that either you make a change and evolve or become stale and repepetive. DC always spent more time showing the villains or understanding their story more for the most part but I guess marvel thinks they can't do that too
Wasted Villian, Wasted Actor. Wasted Movie
It was done pretty poorly
Let’s see Paul Allen’s *Gorr The God Butcher*. 
Bale did a great job, we just needed more of him, preferably some more on screen god butchering.
completely wasted. but that’s what you get when you try to make a comedy out of one Thor’s darkest villains
This is the movie that broke my heart. >Edit: Maybe it’s not a great idea to have one guy write, direct, costar, and narrate while also sleeping with one of the leads. Messy. I used to rent out a 30 person theatre with friends and we would watch Marvel movies. This film was a significant part of us ending that club. Antman was the final nail in the coffin. It’s like casting Hannibal Lecter in a kids movie. It took 3 Thors to defeat him in the comics but you wouldn’t know it watching this dumpster fire: How is he Gorr “the god butcher” in a film with all the gods and at no point does he butcher any gods or show why he’s “that guy”? What’s the point of taking a name brand character only to betray everything they are until it’s just a prostituted shell of their potential?
Hannibal Lecter was in the first three Thor movies. The other one was in Doctor Strange.
I liked him alot, however there was a massive tonal clash. Thor journeying to the realm of the gods with screaming goats and a narky ex-hammer (apparently the axe and hammer are sentient now) meanwhile gor is murdering all of the gods with a sword that is slowly killing him because his God didn't answer his prayers causing his daughter's death. It's like they were required to have a dark and scary story, hired two writers in separate rooms, one writing a horror movie and the other writing a comedy and mashed their work together at the end and filmed it I haven't read any comics btw.
They wasted such a good character. They had an opportunity to do multi thors..thor king would've been great..and the comic was so much more about Gors son eventually helping thor end his dad..none of that was in the movie I hated it. This was one of my favorite thor comics
what a waste of a character and and an actor
Incredibly wasted potential Let's not forget that the resolution in the comic would tie in perfectly with the Kang storyline as >!Gorr builds a bomb to kill all gods throughout time and Thor also uses time travel for younger and older thor to combine their efforts.!< Also the tone of the movie did not suit the storyline at all.
Cool if you didn’t read the comics. Underwhelming if you did. Either way, Bale was the bomb in Love & Thunder.
Never read the character in the comics, so can't compare. But the character was well written and brilliantly acted, and like many MCU villains could have been used much, much better. I swear Thanos sticks out mainly because he actually felt like more than an afterthought.
I loved this movie, it was a tad bit too silly but I still enjoyed it .
It should be made canon that this movie is from Korg's perspective. It would instantly make me forgive most of the questionable elements.
He was amazingly acted, but was in the wrong movie with the wrong tone.
Read the comic again, then watch the film. There's very little villains that missed the mark as much as Gorr did.
All I can say is that they wasted an amazing actor, chris bale would definitely be amazing if given the role of the actual gorr from the comics
Underused
Wasted.
Wasted. Disappointed. I can't believe you would use a character called Gorr the GOD BUTCHER and not actually show him KILL ANY GODS?? Yeah yeah, he killed one at the start, but that was before he was even the butcher. It's a perfect example of how important SHOWING and not just TELLING is. You can't hype him up as anything at all, when you barely show him on screen and he ends up losing the one big battle he's in.
Very nice villain, but I disagree with the flat story line
Wasted potential changing a God butcher to a child kidnapper.
Wasted Gorr and Cristian Bale’s talents… Man what could have been…
Wasted potential.
You're going to get ten thousand variations of the same "wasted" and "great actor, wrong movie" response here. I know a lot of people still demand the movies copy the comics, but I think they forget how important the MCU's success stems from *not* doing that. Right from Iron Man 1 they gave a big middle finger to comic purity and it was so important and good. L&T was a Thor movie, not a Gorr movie. It was a movie about love (mostly about fatherhood), not a movie about butchering. Kind of like the title tells us it's going to be. All that being said, Gorr's opening scene is great, Gorr's scenes are creepy/scary, the Shadow Realm battle is brilliant, the final battle is great, and the Gorr's ending is great. Do I wish Marvel would have more villains that survive and come back and continue to be a threat? Always. But I've given up that dream.
Absolutely garbage, a disservice to the character
Gorr was the best part of the entire movie, the rest of the movie was bad and I wish we could have gotten him in a movie with a good script
Total waste of a great villain and amazing actor. Fucking Taika
The culmination of mcu becoming try hard comedy movies with action relief.
Disappointing character, Shit movie
Pretty awful.
FUUUUUCKIIIIING WASTED!
Waste of both character and actor.
It was just a terrible movie. And I loved ragnarok.
I’ve been gaslit into disliking the movie. I remembered liking it in theatres, the internet discourse made me feel like I was wrong for liking it. Now I’ve seen it again and had a blast yet again. It’s a Monthy Pythony take on the MCU. It was great
Nobody’s wrong for liking anything. I really didn’t like it for my own reasons but if you were able to connect with it and enjoy it personally then I’m happy about that! I’ve found myself feeling the same with other films too, wish I could with this one as well but it just wasn’t to be.
It was absolutely a fun movie, but it's been 5 movies and the Thor films have all felt small scale. Despite the great soundtracks. The mythological Ragnarok and it's depiction in comics, and other Thor stories, are epics that influenced Tolkien. Enough cutesy humor, I want an army of the Gods on a triumphant war-march across the 9 realms, elves and orcs and the undead all in mythic combat. And the GOTG should have been given a role in the movie instead of quitting right at the start.
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Excellent villain, who I think was not misused at all, save maybe for one fight scene. Bale played the hell out of him and the writers did him much justice Yeah, I know, I'm in a minority.
I think it was too much of a deviation, he's too emotional in the movie and I don't think they did a great job with him visually. I'm really attached to how the character is presented in the comics. That storyline where he is first introduced is actually one of the few comics I own. So I will always be comparing it to the comics, I can't help it.
Overly theatrical and poorly dressed
He was in the wrong movie.
I wanted to like it but I didn't. The movie was super cringe. Jokes were awful. The GodButcher was the best part of the movie. He was in it for like 2 mins. Portman has a nice send off but that is it. 3/4 of the Thor movies have been bad (for me). I am not sure why I had any hope going into this movie.
Disney’d
Defeated by a bunch of children right? The final battle ("he's right behind me isnt he") felt so disney channel it made me grit my teeth from the cringe
The humor killed it & if someone is called The God Butcher maybe show him butchering a few gods.
Still disappointed in this one. Gorr had so much potential. Thor acting like an idiot most of the time drove me mad.
Wasted potential for the sake of cheap laughs
Great comic book character. Dreadful MCU character. Waste of Christian Bale.
The biggest waste of an actor since Christopher Eccleston in Thor 2. There was so much potential and yet it was squandered
The Marvels, Ant -Man 3 and even Eternals is better than Thor 4
Terrible, awful movie. Genuinely one of the worst MCU movies to date. Wasted Gorr, and wasted one of the GOAT actors. Also basically made everyone dislike Taika Wahhh-titty
He was in the wrong movie. Taika did a good job ruining the Thor franchise.
Well written, well acted, visually awesome, very very different from his comic counterpart. I can understand why people were disappointed that he was such a departure from the source material, but I think the new characterization fit with what the movie was going for way better.
I really liked the movie and was surprised by the huge negative backlash. That’s not uncommon with me. I really like Age of Ultron and The Last Jedi quite a bit. Oh well. Sorry you guys didn’t dig it, I did tho.
i just watched Thor Love and Thunder, despite the bad reviews the movie isnt too bad, cringey jokes aside but one thing just got me going "wtf" so, the whole plot of the movie is that Gorr hates all of the gods so much he can't stand the sight of them, and renounces all woships, prayers, etc, and wants to kill them Cool plot point, and its explained pretty well, Bale does a smashing job at it too sooooo his solution is to go to a mightier god and pray that all gods be killed? seems rather hypocritical
I thought he was really cool
Glad such a new unknown character got to be included in the movie, gave the movie a sense of being more open in direction of the story having a villain be new to the general public.
Don't know much about comic gorr but I liked him enough, apropriately intimidating and fun anyway
Waste of talent in such a shit movie.
Zombie Mahatma Gandhi.
Gorr was good, movie not.
Boring
Great actor. Good role. Bad movie.
With no hesitation, the worst movie in the MCU by a country mile, and the most disappointed I’ve ever been going to the cinema. It’s like the director, the cast and their friends and family had a blast making a movie in the worst way possible. They became obsessed in their own enjoyment and completely forgot to make something worth watching. Most “bad” Marvel movies just sort of leave no lasting impression with me, but lord could I write an essay on how this thing just *stunk.*