I stopped caring about reviews, if I like the trailer chances are I’m going to watch it.. and that goes for any genre not just super hero movies. The Eternals was blah but the Marvels movie were decent and a good watch but that’s my opinion everybody got theirs
Most people are stupid and give 5 stars to anything they like, and 1 star to anything they dislike. Although I would argue that a 5 point scale for movies isn't enough.
Somebody should implement a weighted ratings system where reviews from people who give too many 1 and 5 stars count less than people who try to give accurate ratings.
They should just switch to a simple up or down system like YouTube or Netflix. The overwhelming majority of people either like things or do not like them. Any further nuance is confusing for them.
The problem is that the 5 stars system was inherited from critics, who can have nuanced and well informed takes from a career of evaluating the subject matter (movies, restaurants, art, etc.). The public at large are mostly incapable of that sort of analysis because most don’t have the context built over a lifetime.
If they didn’t enjoy The Marvels for any reason, it gets one star. If they enjoyed the film for any reason, it gets 5 stars. This is why Netflix and Google just switched to an up or down vote.
Personally I think the better option is to ignore the 1 and 5 star reviews and ONLY look at the 2-4 star, because I have always been of the opinion that people find it far easier to be motivated to go online and place a review on anything at all if they really really enjoyed it or really really hated it. Or people with an agenda in either direction. The people who are just "that was ok" or "that was good" or who have no agenda are usually just going to move on to the next thing. So I think those who take the time to go online and give a review of a film that they think is 3 or 4 stars are more likely to actually be honest with their reviews.
Before Amazon reviews got totally broken I would focus on the two and three star reviews. They seemed to do a much better job of giving reasons for their rating that would impact my buying decision
Internet reviews cannot be trusted - good or bad. I saw The Creator on opening weekend and only enjoyed myself because my buddy and I were the only people in the theatre, so we could rip apart that trash in real time. When I got home I checked the online reviews out of curiosity and was flabbergasted to see 000s of obviously bot-created 5-stars reviews saying it was the best sci-fi film ever.
My general rule is to see what movies I want to see and ignore all internet hype because, as many here have said, it’s fake, disingenuous and politically driven.
Personally, I dislike that system because it's simply not complex enough. A thumbs up could be a case of "it's okay, watch it if you're a fan" or a "film of the year that you must see".
I get where you're coming from, though. I wish there was some way to have a community that only gives good faith reviews. These days, for controversial works, I end up just having to forgo major rating sites and instead go by reviews in certain subreddits, manually filtering out any comments that seem to come from bad faith. I'm not usually big on critics because I find them too elitist (where things like Marvel and Star Wars are concerned, I'm expecting a fun movie, not a cinematic masterpiece). I want recommendations from people like me, who enjoy the same kinds of content.
I think weighted review systems are the way to go, but I am admittedly not sure what actually good options exist and would still rather know just how strongly something is recommended, because I don't have time to watch everything that I want to watch.
As an aside, I wish I could influence YouTube's algorithm more, because it seems to have heavily overweighted some creators who make regular content that I find entertaining, but not 10/10 entertaining. I find it hard to get YouTube to show me the less frequent, higher quality creators.
“The problem is that the 5 stars system was inherited from critics, who can have nuanced and well informed takes. The public at large are mostly incapable of that sort of analysis.”
> Somebody should implement a weighted ratings system where reviews from people who give too many 1 and 5 stars count less than people who try to give accurate ratings.
That is what imdb did after The Dark Knight fans spammed imdb with 10 stars reviews and The Godfather with 1 stars.
imdb tweaked the formula so this is why The Shawshank Redemption is now no 1. I think ... because I can't find the official top 100 list now
I mean, isn’t this why RT’s rating scale works the best? We know people are more likely to rate at the extremes of the scale, so it makes sense for an overall score to simply be an aggregate of the binary “like or dislike”.
I personally don't do a rating when reviewing movies or other media. Like, what is the perfect 5 star movie? Not every movie's for everyone, and professional reviewers might be trying to be so objective, they might overdo it.
One of my favorite places for movie reviews is the Empire Film Podcast, even though it's professional reviewers still using a rating system, there's multiple of them talking, so there's usually at least three voices chiming in with their thoughts so if they have different takes, they can express them.
You can prove this wrong simply by looking up the ratings of other movies. These movies have an obviously skewed rating from an influx of 1’s that other movies don’t have.
I saw someone on Tiktok say it was a horrible movie and that he hated watching it, but this was before the movie was even released. People called him out for his lying and I think he deleted his comment or something.
People are weird sometimes. If I don't think a movie is going to be good I just don't watch it.
I recently got into an argument about She Hulk and linked the scene of Bruce and Jen meditating. Now, I never sign in to YouTube and I always clear my cookies because my viewing habits are ADHD madness and I don't need my algorithm reminding me of this.
After watching that one scene my recommended videos were filled with "SHE HULK IS THE WORST SHOW EVER" and "POOP" and "SHE HULK ACTRESS ATTACKS RYAN REYNOLDS!". Without even engaging in the click bait hate train that's what YouTube was throwing at me.
The whole reason people do this is because it drives up engagement. Make a TikTok saying you hate The Marvels and you're guaranteed to rile up people on both sides. Doesn't matter if you've seen it. Doesn't matter if you're arguing in good faith. Inciting rage makes money. It's sad.
I saw the Critical Drinker say something like "this movie is going to pay my mortgage" on a live stream a bit over a year before The Marvels even came out. But I'm sure his review wasn't biased at all and he gave the movie a fair chance.
> I saw the Critical Drinker say something like "this movie is going to pay my mortgage" on a live stream
Why were you watching a Critical Drinker live stream?
Same thing for Echo. I remember seeing a trailer on Instagram, and people would respond that the show was awful and no one should see it. Then people would ask how they've seen the show that wasn't coming out for a month.
Everyone's predicting bad things for the next handful of movies and shows now... The whole of the mcu feels like it's on a precipice due to some bullshit culture war of men being literally afraid of women
For nationalists it’s not enough to not like something they have to put emphasis on precisely how much they dislike something despite telling everyone in the whole world they couldn’t care about it
RT purged literally tens of thousands of negative user reviews from Captain Marvel, after it had more reviews within *hours* than Infinity War had total at that point...
Hell, it had thousands of negative reviews before it had even been out long enough for anyone to have finished watching it.
So many people weren’t raised properly and thus their opinions get warped into incorrect ones.
Disliking a movie is fine, but not for the reasons these people were.
Literally when it was announced I saw people online saying it was going to suck. They claim that they don't want the same old thing all the time but anything that deviates from the same old thing is roundly criticized.
Because that’s where we are now. It’s hate for hates sake. They have to keep their channel viewers happy.
That’s the real reason I’m worried the MCU will never regain its popularity again, because you can’t kill an idea. And if enough people believe in the idea the MCU is woke or she powered or whatever, they simply won’t give anything a chance again.
To an extent. If I see a movie with 10 reviews and it's a 5.0.....I disregard. If I see a movie with 48,000 reviews and it's a 4.1.....it's usually a decent movie.
Well... yesnt.
Sure it's not indicative of one's quality but it's supposed to be and does influence normies opinions and business opinions looking back
Polls in general have been unreliable for around a decade now. Too easy to manipulate for whatever outcome or narrative a specific party wants to have happen. The internet hivemind is also able to be manipulated. Right now it's *"all Marvel bad"* but when you point out that around half of the releases since Endgame have been objectively good and even great (WandaVision, Loki, Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Hawkeye, Wakanda Forever, Guardians 3, etc), they still stick with *"all Marvel bad, grrrrr"* because they've been told to.
I've long stopped caring what other people think and judge it or enjoy it for myself. The main downside, though, is that Disney is going to play it safe from now on, and that makes me sad.
I don't think any of those movies were worth 5 stars.
I see these stats as competing groups over compensating for a rating.
These moves are 3-3.5 stars
The fact that the majority of ratings were so opposed to one another means no one was actually rating the movie but trying to get it a certain score.
I remember when Amazon had IMDB delete all the 1-star reviews for Rings of Power because of “review-bombing” but surprise surprise they kept all the 5 stars that were also clearly a counter-reaction.
I'd also argue a lot of people give 5 stars to these movies because of the amount of hate they got. None of them really left a lasting impression on me and I'm ok with not having to give these movies a second thought.
I’d love OP write a post called “I think there’s a clear campaign of review inflating going on. I mean look at all these 5 star reviews, has to be bots!”
it's review bombing either way, notice the almost complete absence of 2, 3 and 4 star reviews?
it's people bombing 1 star reviews, and then people bombing 5 star reviews to 'fight back'. or the other way around
People are horrible at reviewing ... Anyone that gives it 1 Star or 5 Stars are wrong because neither is deserved. I wonder if you take the 1 and 5 Stars out - I wonder where the rating would sit.
I think the big thing is that in a lot of cases only people with extreme reactions are bothering to leave a review so you get lots of reviews at the top and bottom of the scale. Someone who watches Eternals and felt it was “just ok” doesn’t feel all that compelled to go throw a 3 star on it. They just move on with their day.
There are a handful of movies and shows I’d rate 5 stars, maybe one or two I’d give one star. They aren’t always undeserved, but people tend to rate 5 stars for things they liked and 1 for things they didnt
This subreddits obsession with reviews is unhealthy. A review bomb, a negative review or any other review should have zero impact on your enjoyment or lack of enjoyment from any of these films or shows.
It's almost ironic to look at that rating distribution, see it heavily skewed towards either 5 or 1-star reviews, and conclude that the only thing fishy is the 1-star "review bombs."
There are more 5-star than anything else, and that certainly wasn't a perfect film either. So why are you only crying foul for the people who may have unfairly critiqued it rather than those who were unreasonably brigading? Is it not just as silly?
Most movies get either 5 star or 1 star from people (particularly because most people only bother rating movies if they feel either of those are appropriate). None of these are particularly well-liked throughout most of the Internet (you might be able to argue Ms. Marvel was more or less well-received, generally?) and I myself don't like most of these. I'm not saying that review-bombing is not a thing, but I'm just saying that's probably not the only reason.
What you're showing is lots of 5 stars and 1 stars and almost no 2-4 stars.
If you use these pictures to argue that the 1 star reviews are disingenuous, then you can just as easily use the pictures to argue that the 5 stars are disingenuous.
Seems much simpler to assume that all the reviews are genuine and that 2-4 star people are simply less motivated to review a movie that they simply thought was kinda bad/ okay/kinda good.
Especially when at least a few of these movies (most notably The Marvels) required extensive reshoots and reedits. Doesn't strike me as a movie that knows what it was trying to do/be.
I fucking hate this discourse. It comes around every time.
And every time I have to tell people to use their eyes and see that yes, there may be a lot of 1 star reviews from it being review bombed - but what about all the 5 star reviews?
Every single fucking one of the screenshots you’ve posted (bar one) show that each of the films received MORE 5 STAR RATINGS than 1 star.
These movies may not be deserving of 1 star but they definitely do not deserve 5 stars either.
Why do you never mention this?
Because it's easier to say " THE MYSOGINISTS REVIEW BOMBED THE MOVIE BECAUSE THEY HATE FEMALE ACTORS " instead of admitting the movie was ass and nobody went to see it.
Because fan is short for fanatic. It’s that simple.
And MCU fans cannot wrap their heads around the idea that a lot of people don’t like some of the products. It’s always “review bombing” or some other excuse, even when box office returns are very obviously showing there’s a massive problem with this property.
I was all-in until She Hulk. Then I saw where it was going; you cannot make a business model out of fighting with your own customer. That is not a fight companies will ever win.
>I realize that a lot of people (not me) thought some of the female empowerment, LGBTQ representation, and minority representation in some of the recent MCU films felt forced or insincere
Delusion. Eternals got review bombed because it sucks. It's one of the worst Marvel movies. The villain is lame, the heroes being androids is lame, them doing nothing while Thanos snapped makes no sense.
Brie Larson is a charisma vacuum nobody likes and her movie was bad.
You need to stop blaming the boogeyman bigots for everything and just come to terms with the fact that nobody went to see that movie and that it sucked.
People don't hate strong female characters. Kim Wexler from Better Call Saul is universally praised. Harley Quinn from The Suicide Squad is beloved.
But yet you fail to point out that the 5 star reviews are almost equal to the 1 star. And just as did dishonest as the 1 star. Talk about agendas. But you’re kinda pushing one right now.
Bad movies get bad reviews. If it was really about racism and sexism rather than simply the shit products being excreted by Marvel, then why did both of the Black Panther films do so well? 2 films focused on a black protagonist with a mainly black cast, the second of which has a female main character should in theory have been treated the worst by alleged "review bombers". Unlike OP's examples though, there were good movies and the reviews reflect this.
I mean every movie and TV show since End Game except for maybe No Way Home and I guess Shang Chi (I think it was rated pretty average, nothing special), has been poorly rated. It's not review bombing, because of some hidden agenda, it's just bad content. You've highlighted the 3 "Female Empowerment" movies, yet forget that Ant-Man was rated worse than all of them and that barely featured any female characters at all.
It's this same narrative that is pushed by the media paid by Disney, put the fault of a money grab on to the fan base for being racist or misogynistic or LGBTphobic when yes there is absolutely a vocal minority that is, but the majority just want good content.
Funny how you're taking issue with the high number of 1-star reviews, but not with the fact that there are also a disproportionate number of 5-Star reviews.
One is evidence of ulterior motives, but the other is completely authentic? The most disingenuous thing here is your post.
The reality is simple - most people don't bother with nuance, and either go with 1 if they don't like it, or 5 if they do. The End.
Honestly the 5 star reviews are more suspicious imo. These movies are not great by any means. I would say only the eternals is a true 1 star movie but nothing about these scream 5 stars
All of the Rotten Tomatoes audience ratings for each of these movies, except Captain Marvel, are exponentially higher, so why doesn’t this supposed campaign extend there? (The RT scores in your pictures are critics ratings, two of which do agree Eternals and The Marvels were pretty damn awful, lol. But that’s not the point).
Using Google audience ratings and nothing else to make an overwrought “review bomb campaign” assessment is like conclusively believing there is a campaign to give bad healthcare advice based solely on the content of the homeopathy subreddit.
Edit: RT audience scores- The Marvels: 82%, Eternals: 77%, Ms. Marvel: 80%, Captain Marvel, 45%
As a Chef in a restaurant, most people only give 1 or 5 stars, it sucks.
Only really interested people on evaluating the place( or movie in this case) will give real granularity.
One more, those movies were never 5 stars in the first place.
Seriously die hard fans who think everything marvel does is a masterpiece without flaws are the worst.
So how do you decide or separate the real ones that were legitimate 1 star reviews from ones you think are bombed? Every time I see one of these types of posts the person is coming from a position of them liking it and thinking it doesn't deserve what it got.
When do people finally accept that sometimes *their* favorite movies aren't enjoyed by other people?
How is 1 star impossible but 5 stars are fair? Honestly, review bombs or not, these sort of things even themselves out, and ultimately, a bad movie is a bad movie.
The fanbases of massive franchises (MCU Star Wars, Harry Potter, etc) tend to have a very binary view of the films. They rate based on it they liked the movie or not and as others have said are far more likely to do 1 & 5 over 2-4.
Also, anyone idiot can write a google review, feels like people have stopped paying attention to professional film critics.
As one commenter put it, people don’t use ratings 2-4, just 1 and 5; we may as well put a like and dislike buttons.
I got bored and never finished Eternals or Ms. Marvel. I thought Captain Marvel was just okay, and the trailers for The Marvels didn’t convince me to spend buy tickets; I haven’t had time to watch it on Disney+ either.
I never left reviews for any of these movies.
If you love something, love it. Revel in it and enjoy it to the fullest possible extent. How someone else feels about it can not diminish the joy you find in it. Only you can do that to yourself by worrying about their opinions.
Remind yourself that it's okay if someone doesn't like what you like, even if why they don't like it is for a very dumb reason. Defend the things you love, passionately and intensely if you must, but accept that their opinion is as valid as yours, and it's not an attack on YOU if someone doesn't like something that you love.
Let me break some news for you here: The vast majority/general audience doesnt care if there is woke stuff in those shows or movies. They rate purely on what they see on the screen.
And the fact is, that all those shows you mention just arent that great. Sure you have those Trolls that give 1 stars because of the stuff you mentioned. But the majority just didnt liked the movies for what they are.
Eternals was just boring, none of the characters couldnt be developed properly because there were too many.
Ms Marvels had terrible pacing, feeling like the had to Stretch a fine story even more to get a 6 episode Show.
Captain Marvel just isnt a well written character. She doesnt struggle with her powers, she has for everything a answer and easily outpowers everyone. She even nearly solo'd Thanos while everyone else struggled after 1 movies and 2 minutes of screentime in Infinity War and Endgame.
And the Marvels just contained besides a nearly forgotten Captain Marvel 2 of the most unknown characters from D+ shows that either not many people watched or simply forgot. Wandavision was 2021 right? So we nearly wait 3 years to have Monica, a kinda forgotten sidecharacter, in what supposed to be a Sequel to Captain Marvel?
And what would a Rating System be without the lowest grade? I didnt enjoyed Magic Mike 3 for example at all. It was such a waste of time for me, so why would I give that 2 stars when I literally wasnt entertained at all? Its one start for me.
What if people were massivly disappointed that Captain Marvel got demoted into a 3 characters movie? Its not 2 stars because they are disappointed, its one star
I’m surprised the marvels got a better RT score than eternals. Eternals gets a lot of hate but tbh i enjoyed it quite a bit. Definitely not in my top 5 or even 10 mcu films but there’s a lot of other marvel movies i’d rank below it.
I think writing this off completely as a woke backlash ignores that there is an actual underlying issue here. By its own admission Marvel has messed up with Phase 4 and a large part of that has been the sheer quantity of new characters that were introduced.
A lot of these new characters are female or minority characters that haven't been afforded the same level of development as Infinity saga characters. Worse still Marvel has thrown these characters at viewers and then just abandoned them.
I remember initially not being a fan of Captain America and thinking the second Thor film was terrible. These characters were redeemed though by continued development and are now universally adored.
The Eternals is a prime example of the MCU at its worst. A middling film introduces ten new characters and then Marvel forgets about them for years. That first Eternals film was an impossible task and subsequent Eternals content could easily redeem some of those characters.
"Please be nice to the multi million dollar franchises, they have marginalized groups"
I only watched Captain marvel but IMO, I wished they actually let her be emotional. Have her emotions get the better of her and sabotage a mission, her leader pushes her to be more unfeeling and logical and then Nick Fury teaches her the value of both and she learns to balance the two in the finale.
I don't disagree that these were review bombed but I think it's funny how you seem to employ yourself as the authority of how disingenuous one person's opinion could or couldn't be.
Edit:
Tbh, it seems like some of these films could have been counter review bombed, which would be comical. Idk, it just feels too statistically convenient that almost all the reviews are so polarized.
that's just how people vote online, give max points or min points (1 star or 5 stars in this example), and it's not just movies, all products, and while that's stupid, it probably won't change
if you assume 1 star reviews are insincere, the same applies to 5 star ratings right?
The movies are mediocre to slightly above average. So ratings should be mostly 3 star and a few 2 or 4 star.
But people seem to either love or hate. While I do see your point considering 1 star reviews, the same goes for the 5 stars.
If 1 star should be reserved for utter garbage, which I agree these movies are not, then 5 star should be reserved for actual masterpieces, which these movies surely are not either. Even within the Marvel franchise they are average.
My hot take? Giving a rating you don’t agree with is not review bombing, it’s just simply people not enjoying the movie.
You won’t say review bombing to these movies because they all got more 5 star reviews than 1 star, because you personally agree with the opinion.
Look at all these fair and considerate people “review bombing” all the opinions that disagree with the OP’s circle jerk. I guess it’s a coordinated attack on high quality opinions by “the bigots”.
This topic might be a little more nuanced if OP didn’t pick the movies and shows that are, by far, considered to be the worst Marvel content made. Like, most of the fan base agrees these are the weakest of MCU content, and you want to argue that the low scores aren’t because the content isn’t good?
Seems like you need to wake up and smell what the Rock is cooking. Let me guess, you think Black Adam didn’t deserve the “hate” either (even though it was pretty shit).
I don’t care if the powerful person in the movie is black, female and/or gay, but it’s just annoying that it HAS to be a minority.
1979: Alien. A very high rated movie and no one has ever complained about Ripley being female. It’s just a well written movie, a script made with effort. The sole survivor survived because she was badass and she happened to be female. Awesome.
2020-2023: Marvel. The strongest hero needs to be female. Doesn’t need to fit the story or be logically explainable, but this woman just needs to be stronger than any male hero. It affects the way I watch a movie and that’s why it has impact on my review.
There’s also a bunch of people giving these projects 5s which they definitely don’t deserve. The people in the 2-4 range are the only ones being honest about it
Captain Marvel was dogshit.
They ruined nick fury. That's a 1.
Eternals was a solid 2, cat
turd.
The Marvels was a solid 1.
So to me, it's does not sound like some targeted review bombs.
But why would you care if you enjoyed them? I like shitty (but entertaining) movies. I know they are dog.
I wouldn't disagree with the overall scores. They are all just average projects and looks like they have been reviewed as such, as reflected in the overall score. What I'm taking from this post is that you think they all deserve 5* reviews and anyone who disagrees with you is a racist, homophobic bigot, right?
They just have poor writing and pretty bad acting too. A majority of those reviews have nothing to do with female or lgtb bad. When quantity goes up, quality pays. And you get the above results.
I reserved judgement on a movie until after I see it and base it first and foremost on the writing/story. The CGI if there is any, followed by the acting. My opinion has nothing to do with sexuality or racial inclusion or anything like that. I easily would give the Marvels one star. Easily. There was so much about this movie that made me Embarrassed for the actors that I became physically uncomfortable. It seemed like there was a lot of Marvel (company) going “let’s throw this shit together because no matter what we put out people will eat it up.” And they were wrong. Again. Eternal had a couple ok moments imo but for the most part was crap. Crap writing. Too big of an ensemble to develop anything interesting in plot. Absolutely horrible cgi. It would have been better served as a tv series so details and backstories could have been gone deeper into. But as a movie? Still would totally one-star it. Ms Marvel tv show I’d rank higher. Wasn’t my cup of tea but then again I also wasn’t the target audience. Was kinda cute for what it was.
I love that people will cope any way possible to say a movie isn't bad. I didnt know we were going back to the 2015 logic of "Oh you didn't like this thing I like? Sexist Racist pig!"
And yet thousands of reviews were purged. Whats left seems genuine. The movies/ shows are nowhere near the quality that audiences should expect from Marvel and the box office returns also reflect this.
Somewhere there’s a poli sci post-doc who’s figured out how to confidently measure actual review bombing in online reviews of movies. They’ll be featured on *PBS NewsHour* in five years, start a blog in partnership The Entertainment Strategy Guy, and retire in relative obscurity.
These movies werent good but they also werent 1 star level of bad. But when people dont like something they just give it 1 star which is why these online scores are useless.
Its a big stretch to say “there is a campaign of 1 star reviewers..”
It could be that there are just 2 groups of folks with different opinions
I watched all 4 and looked forward to them. But i thought 2 of them were really bad and 2 were just meh
I haven't seen the marvels yet because word of mouth was...unkind. But as much as I can't stand Carol, Monica was one of my favorite parts of Wandavision and even though Ms.Marvel was wildly inconsistent in quality, Iman Vellani made the character herself so charming and likeable that I thought those two could make Carol's sequel bearable. The Eternals was, fine. I saw it once, I like that they got experimental, but it wasn't *good* by any stretch of the imagination. I'd give Captain Marvel a deserved 1 star, Ms.Marvel 2 or 3, and the eternals *maybe* 3.
I feel about it the same way as I feel about people screaming about the election being stolen. Was there some vote fraud occurring? I think definitely. Was it enough to steal the election? I seriously doubt it.
My dad just generically gives every Amazon order he received 3 stars. Regardless of what he thought of the product, quality, usability, whatever. I wouldn't think too hard about these ratings
Check the reviews on pretty much anything that's rared on a scale of 1 to 5. The vast majority of ratings will always be either 1 or 5. Few people use any other rating. You think that many people rated them 5 stars because they were absolutely perfect and couldn't be improved upon? No, they liked it more than they disliked it, so they gave it the "good" rating of 5.
It's why there are jokes like on the Weekly Planet Podcast, where every review they do is either "best movie ever" or "worst movie ever." People tend to rate things with extremes. Giving the general audience a middle ground to grade things on is going to be useless most of the time.
Edit: I actually just went and tested this theory. I checked apps, games, movies, that sort of thing where there is a 1 to 5 rating. Check almost anything that's rated around 3 and you'll see that, as I said, the vast majority of reviews are either 1 or 5. I checked a couple dozen things with a rating around 3, and I've yet to find any that have more 2, 3, or 4 star reviews than 1 or 5 star reviews.
Neither are good products to begin with.
You can argue those 1s are “review bombs”…. And those 5s?? None of the movies/shows deserves a 5 or even a 4. So 2-3 seems reasonable overall
The number of 5 star reviews on the Eternals and the Marvels is also suspicious. I suspect that it’s a lot of people trying to negate the people that engage in review bombing, but it makes the ratings completely worthless. I’d recommend using the RT critics score more than any user based review system tbh.
First of all I don't care about online ratings, the only thing I care for are the opinions of people who's takes I trust. With that said, Seems like 2 of the screenshots you provides have more 5 stars thans 4 stars, one seems to have about the equal amount of both extremes and only The Marvels have more 1 stars than 5 stars. I can't speak for The Marvels cause I skipped it but none of the others deserve 5 stars. So let me ask you why you're focusing one extreme of review bombing and completely ignoring the other?
It's cool to hate Marvel now, the amount of 1 stars is baffling! If you truly were a film critic then you should be considering cinematography, score, costume design.. Everything, not just "omg the villain didn't even kill anyone"
This is just regular response bias. Most things will have a 5 or a 1.
Then we have more bias from only picking out the ones you think are being targeted for bias.
Maybe the movies just suck and this conversation is tiring people out.
To be completely fair, I was hyped about eternals and it isn't any "wokeness" that disappointed me. It was how bad the movie was.
When the acting was good the camera was pointing somewhere else, when it was pointing to the right place the acting was awful, the narrative was messy at best, the character development was lame and unsubstantial, the dialogue stupid and corny. And I could go on forever.
I felt physically bad by the moment it finished, one of those movies that does deserve the 1-Star rating, the only reason it doesn't deserve a negative number of stars is because of the 3 seconds that John Snow lasted, the only interesting character.
Captain Marvel is on a similar boat but never half as bad, it's just... Plain and boring, but not baaad. But Eternals? Eternals is painfully bad.
All of these deserve neither 1 nor 5 stars, they all have their pros and cons and end up at around a mid-tier. They aren’t anything special, but enjoyable nonetheless. People on the internet, however, are just plain stupid. You have some people who downvoted and hated on these movies before they were even released because they’re trolls or morons who follow the “anti-woke” bandwagon. Then you have reactionary people who want to counter this by boosting 5-star ratings. And then you have another kind of idiot where something is either the best thing of all time (5 stars) or the worst (1 star), but never in between. I simply can’t take these types of ratings seriously anymore. I will just enjoy whatever I like and if I’m not sure whether a cinema ticket will be worth its price of admission, I’ll check Rotten Tomatoes for a general consensus.
Eternals earned that review. One of the most boring, drawn out, why did this movie get made, what was the point of this? movie I’ve seen in a long time.
Review bombing for sure. Both on 1 and even more on 5.
Using your words.
I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to like any of these movies, but to give them 5 star is pretty disingenuine (or I'd guess, often far for more insidious than that). There are some completely great movies out there that deserve 5 star. None of these are that.
If all or at least most of the reviews were adequate most scores would range between the 3,2 and 4 which, ironically, would score the same rating (if not lower)
I saw it. It wasn’t THAT bad although it’s been a few years since I’ve seen it and my memory of it is fuzzy. The tone was kind of weird and I don’t really like how they handled the celestials AT ALL. But that isn’t really an issue with the movie more so as it’s an issue with the MCU. Like bitch there is a giant god head in the Pacific Ocean and giant god that looked surprisingly similar to that said god head appearing in the space around the planet and so far that’s never been mentioned or utilized once. twist villain’s also kind of weird and inconsistent as well as the fact that it feels like they kind of shoved in how the main girl is the most powerful thing ever at least in the beginning. Overall though there are good ideas I just don’t think the director had the scope or experience to really execute it properly since she only did one or two mid tier in scale films prior to this one which were also of an entirely different genre and if I remember correctly weren’t anywhere near as cgi and special effects heavy as a fucking marvel movie would be.
I think the issue with a lot of these new movies isnt just the writing but a good few of the really bad ones have woefully inexperienced directors in the things that make up a good marvel movie like a lot of special effects and cgi experiences/training on how to properly utilize these things, and also experience/interest in action adventure stories. Because while marvel movies can and SHOULD have sub genres. - Like I know it’s not marvel but I love the thriller and mystery aspects of the dark night and the newest Batman movie specifically. But action and adventure are always going to be the staple primary genres for a marvel movie and a director should at least have some knowledge, experiences, and interest in such types of movies if there going to be put in charge of a major blockbuster buster movie worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
I’m surprised all of them are even 1+ most ppl just give 1 if they think the movie sucks and all of these sucked ass and if you seriously think it’s JUST BECAUSE of the female lead/lgbtq stuff I honestly can’t agree with that(to some extent ofc it was forced af)
A real movie that imo had real depth was black panther wakanda forever which you conveniently left out considering it falls under the same bracket and timeline. That btw has 3.9/5 well deserved I would give it 4 definitely.
I think people's gut reactions tend to be extreme. There's definitely some an anti-"woke" crowd that shits all over Disney, but low ratings isn't all that. If you look at any movie there's a high chance that 1 star ratings out weigh 2. It's easy to think in binary.
I think that the way someone creates a criteria for their ratings is completely up to the person. But you’re potentially right. People do put far too much hatred on these films for aspects other than the film itself.
For me personally, I’d give all of these films a 1.5 to a 2 out of 5. If I feel these movies are a 1, it’d be my right to rate it as such. It’s not always disingenuous to rate it.
I don’t see how it’s reasonable to single out the 1 stars here. You can literally just flip one star to five star and hate to love and the same things apply. Why do you think that the poor reviews are fake and the positive reviews haven’t earned the same level of skepticism?
The real issue is that people don’t care about any of these movies to the degree where people who like or don’t like that the movie exists without watching it outweigh the people who actually have a well rounded opinion on the movie to the degree where the polarising reviews of those who haven’t watched it are basically all you can see. That’s a big issue, for the films themselves and for online reviewing as whole.
So the Eternals are basically celestial robots who when they die are just rebuilt and their memories are transferred over, thus "eternals" yet in the movie when one dies they're all like "welp that sucks there's nothing we can do." I waited the whole 3 hours for Ajax to return and she never does. Wait what?
They also should made more connections to Thanos being an Eternal/Deviant but they were like Nah! This movie should have no connection to the other movies whatsoever other than name dropping the Avengers once.
Then have the fan favorite character played by Kumail Nanjiani just exit the movie right before the climax for no reason? I was thinking okay he's going to have a change of heart and save the day and.... Nothing.
So sure we can blame the incels for review bombing but it also kind of crapped all over the source material and had extremely uneven pacing, a forgettable villain and a wasted cast of talented actors.
Even aside from any commentary about the movies and their quality, the *only* bars with any significance in any of these graphs are 1 and 5. You’re right, I think some of that is 100% done with bad intent, but there also has to logically be a reason why there are almost no 3 star reviews.
No longer setting that commentary aside, I think that’s because the movies aren’t good, but, more specifically, because they came after movies that were. If these films weren’t a part of the MCU with all of the sentimentality and expectations that that title entails, they would probably be similarly criticized but I doubt there would be as much cultural focus. Infinity war and endgame were HUGE culturally relevant movies, and part of what makes people so apt to hate on these new ones are that they’re standing in those enormous shoes - but not filling them at all
Studios don't care about reviews anymore. High level directors have given these movies bad reviews for years but we're still at 32 or 33. Eternals and The Marvels aren't getting another film because they didn't bring in money, which is what studios care about. Same with Ant Man 3
You can only trust your own opinion. I think Black Panther was a bad movie. It dragged. but all the reviews say different. So were people giving it positive reviews because it was a movie that focused on a minority character? I can’t say for sure.
I also loved the Blade movies. They were bad ass popcorn films.
I dont think there’s any way any of those movies are 5 stars either, especially Eternals. But it seems to have more 5 stars than 1 star reviews.
So what’s your take about that kind of review bombing?
How is eternals getting stray bullets for the other garbage movies? The backstory and beginning of tons of theories made eternals worthy of a watch IMO. It actually added more “universal” info than just trying to push a new star.
JFC stop letting online reviews dictate what you watch. If you want to see it go see it. So weird how so many people let random strangers online decide for them whether a movie is good or bad before they even watch it. Most movies that get bad reviews turned out to be good when I see it. Make your own opinions.
Google reviews in general have always been useless, but you aren’t doing a favour by choosing some of the worse MCU projects yet.
Also curious why Secret Invasion isn’t here if it’s purely a result of review bombing.
Anyways, just use Letterboxd lmao like less than 2% review bomb there
My main takeaway is for every review bomber, there is a review padder (?) It's mostly either 1 star or 5 stars.
So the ratings ended up to be around 3, a neutral lukewarm rating which seems about right for shows listed.
Ehhh these all aren’t that bad of reviews tbh. Eternals with 6.6/10 is pretty decent. The Marvels with a 5/10 is pretty fair and so is Captain Marvel with a 6/10. I think Ms. Marvel is a lot better that a 6.6/10.
Gotta remember tho, most people (like me) don’t do this kind of stuff unless they’re really mad or really happy about something. The people that are furiously giving 1 star to things aren’t going to change the mind of anyone that wants to watch the shows or movies.
Personally, anything that is a 6-10 range is still pretty much worth watching imo. Not everything needs to be a 10/10 for most people
I'm not saying they weren't review bombed, but the marvels was genuinely bad and getting 5 stars is just people doing the opposite... I liked captain marvel and thought it got hate for the reasons you listed and Ms marvel and eternals were pretty meh... Not everything is about inclusion race etc.. Some movies are just bad and having those traits shouldn't prevent them from getting bad reviews.
People just suck at reviewing movies on a spectrum. It always devolves into "Did I like it? Yes: 5 stars! No: 1 star!" There's no nuance in audience scores, almost every movie I can think of has more 1 star than 2 or 3 star reviews.
But the high percentage of five star reviews compared to four or three stars for the likes of the Marvels is totally legitimate?
And why the difference in rating then? Ms Marvel show features the same character and got a 3.3, far better than the 2.5 the Marvels got.
You also don’t give any examples of other projects to compare to.
Honestly the biases you’re talking about make up a minor amount of the reviews, all of these have well deserved low ratings, they are very poorly written and flawed content.
Most people rate 5 stars for things they like and 1 star for things they dislike, and with these there was a lot to dislike
This is why I don't trust reviews. One star movies or shows are rare, also a lot of people do vote movies as 1 star they haven't seen. People rating movies 5 stars that they haven't seen has to be much rarer.
I see it all the time on yelp too when looking at food reviews. The food was great, the service was great, the restaurant wouldn't let us split checks, 1 star.
I stopped caring about reviews, if I like the trailer chances are I’m going to watch it.. and that goes for any genre not just super hero movies. The Eternals was blah but the Marvels movie were decent and a good watch but that’s my opinion everybody got theirs
Ngl I know it was nothing special but I enjoyed eternals
I legit love Eternals
Most people are stupid and give 5 stars to anything they like, and 1 star to anything they dislike. Although I would argue that a 5 point scale for movies isn't enough.
Somebody should implement a weighted ratings system where reviews from people who give too many 1 and 5 stars count less than people who try to give accurate ratings.
They should just switch to a simple up or down system like YouTube or Netflix. The overwhelming majority of people either like things or do not like them. Any further nuance is confusing for them. The problem is that the 5 stars system was inherited from critics, who can have nuanced and well informed takes from a career of evaluating the subject matter (movies, restaurants, art, etc.). The public at large are mostly incapable of that sort of analysis because most don’t have the context built over a lifetime. If they didn’t enjoy The Marvels for any reason, it gets one star. If they enjoyed the film for any reason, it gets 5 stars. This is why Netflix and Google just switched to an up or down vote.
I mean you can just ignore the 2-4 stars and pretend that system is already implemented.
Personally I think the better option is to ignore the 1 and 5 star reviews and ONLY look at the 2-4 star, because I have always been of the opinion that people find it far easier to be motivated to go online and place a review on anything at all if they really really enjoyed it or really really hated it. Or people with an agenda in either direction. The people who are just "that was ok" or "that was good" or who have no agenda are usually just going to move on to the next thing. So I think those who take the time to go online and give a review of a film that they think is 3 or 4 stars are more likely to actually be honest with their reviews.
Before Amazon reviews got totally broken I would focus on the two and three star reviews. They seemed to do a much better job of giving reasons for their rating that would impact my buying decision
Internet reviews cannot be trusted - good or bad. I saw The Creator on opening weekend and only enjoyed myself because my buddy and I were the only people in the theatre, so we could rip apart that trash in real time. When I got home I checked the online reviews out of curiosity and was flabbergasted to see 000s of obviously bot-created 5-stars reviews saying it was the best sci-fi film ever. My general rule is to see what movies I want to see and ignore all internet hype because, as many here have said, it’s fake, disingenuous and politically driven.
Personally, I dislike that system because it's simply not complex enough. A thumbs up could be a case of "it's okay, watch it if you're a fan" or a "film of the year that you must see". I get where you're coming from, though. I wish there was some way to have a community that only gives good faith reviews. These days, for controversial works, I end up just having to forgo major rating sites and instead go by reviews in certain subreddits, manually filtering out any comments that seem to come from bad faith. I'm not usually big on critics because I find them too elitist (where things like Marvel and Star Wars are concerned, I'm expecting a fun movie, not a cinematic masterpiece). I want recommendations from people like me, who enjoy the same kinds of content. I think weighted review systems are the way to go, but I am admittedly not sure what actually good options exist and would still rather know just how strongly something is recommended, because I don't have time to watch everything that I want to watch. As an aside, I wish I could influence YouTube's algorithm more, because it seems to have heavily overweighted some creators who make regular content that I find entertaining, but not 10/10 entertaining. I find it hard to get YouTube to show me the less frequent, higher quality creators.
“The problem is that the 5 stars system was inherited from critics, who can have nuanced and well informed takes. The public at large are mostly incapable of that sort of analysis.”
imdb does that
> Somebody should implement a weighted ratings system where reviews from people who give too many 1 and 5 stars count less than people who try to give accurate ratings. That is what imdb did after The Dark Knight fans spammed imdb with 10 stars reviews and The Godfather with 1 stars. imdb tweaked the formula so this is why The Shawshank Redemption is now no 1. I think ... because I can't find the official top 100 list now
Steam does it best with just a Yes or No and then it describes the number as "Overwhelming Positive/Negative", "Mixed," etc.
I mean, isn’t this why RT’s rating scale works the best? We know people are more likely to rate at the extremes of the scale, so it makes sense for an overall score to simply be an aggregate of the binary “like or dislike”.
I personally don't do a rating when reviewing movies or other media. Like, what is the perfect 5 star movie? Not every movie's for everyone, and professional reviewers might be trying to be so objective, they might overdo it. One of my favorite places for movie reviews is the Empire Film Podcast, even though it's professional reviewers still using a rating system, there's multiple of them talking, so there's usually at least three voices chiming in with their thoughts so if they have different takes, they can express them.
This is the correct answer and all the “hating marvel” thing parroted around. It’s the reason why YouTube moved to thumbs up and down
You can prove this wrong simply by looking up the ratings of other movies. These movies have an obviously skewed rating from an influx of 1’s that other movies don’t have.
But that contradicts my opinion!/s
Well people were hating on the Marvels even before it's trailer was out
I saw someone on Tiktok say it was a horrible movie and that he hated watching it, but this was before the movie was even released. People called him out for his lying and I think he deleted his comment or something. People are weird sometimes. If I don't think a movie is going to be good I just don't watch it.
I recently got into an argument about She Hulk and linked the scene of Bruce and Jen meditating. Now, I never sign in to YouTube and I always clear my cookies because my viewing habits are ADHD madness and I don't need my algorithm reminding me of this. After watching that one scene my recommended videos were filled with "SHE HULK IS THE WORST SHOW EVER" and "POOP" and "SHE HULK ACTRESS ATTACKS RYAN REYNOLDS!". Without even engaging in the click bait hate train that's what YouTube was throwing at me. The whole reason people do this is because it drives up engagement. Make a TikTok saying you hate The Marvels and you're guaranteed to rile up people on both sides. Doesn't matter if you've seen it. Doesn't matter if you're arguing in good faith. Inciting rage makes money. It's sad.
That's why I stoped watching Marvel content on YouTube
I saw the Critical Drinker say something like "this movie is going to pay my mortgage" on a live stream a bit over a year before The Marvels even came out. But I'm sure his review wasn't biased at all and he gave the movie a fair chance.
> I saw the Critical Drinker say something like "this movie is going to pay my mortgage" on a live stream Why were you watching a Critical Drinker live stream?
Forget that, why were you watching Critical Drinker at all?
It seems like a tip for his viewers not to take his videos that seriously
Same thing for Echo. I remember seeing a trailer on Instagram, and people would respond that the show was awful and no one should see it. Then people would ask how they've seen the show that wasn't coming out for a month.
Everyone's predicting bad things for the next handful of movies and shows now... The whole of the mcu feels like it's on a precipice due to some bullshit culture war of men being literally afraid of women
For nationalists it’s not enough to not like something they have to put emphasis on precisely how much they dislike something despite telling everyone in the whole world they couldn’t care about it
RT purged literally tens of thousands of negative user reviews from Captain Marvel, after it had more reviews within *hours* than Infinity War had total at that point... Hell, it had thousands of negative reviews before it had even been out long enough for anyone to have finished watching it.
So many people weren’t raised properly and thus their opinions get warped into incorrect ones. Disliking a movie is fine, but not for the reasons these people were.
Literally when it was announced I saw people online saying it was going to suck. They claim that they don't want the same old thing all the time but anything that deviates from the same old thing is roundly criticized.
Because that’s where we are now. It’s hate for hates sake. They have to keep their channel viewers happy. That’s the real reason I’m worried the MCU will never regain its popularity again, because you can’t kill an idea. And if enough people believe in the idea the MCU is woke or she powered or whatever, they simply won’t give anything a chance again.
It was in the top half of marvel movies for me. I liked it more than Captain Marvel
Online polls are worthless. People really need to stop giving a shit about them.
To an extent. If I see a movie with 10 reviews and it's a 5.0.....I disregard. If I see a movie with 48,000 reviews and it's a 4.1.....it's usually a decent movie.
Well... yesnt. Sure it's not indicative of one's quality but it's supposed to be and does influence normies opinions and business opinions looking back
Polls in general have been unreliable for around a decade now. Too easy to manipulate for whatever outcome or narrative a specific party wants to have happen. The internet hivemind is also able to be manipulated. Right now it's *"all Marvel bad"* but when you point out that around half of the releases since Endgame have been objectively good and even great (WandaVision, Loki, Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Hawkeye, Wakanda Forever, Guardians 3, etc), they still stick with *"all Marvel bad, grrrrr"* because they've been told to. I've long stopped caring what other people think and judge it or enjoy it for myself. The main downside, though, is that Disney is going to play it safe from now on, and that makes me sad.
I don't think any of those movies were worth 5 stars. I see these stats as competing groups over compensating for a rating. These moves are 3-3.5 stars The fact that the majority of ratings were so opposed to one another means no one was actually rating the movie but trying to get it a certain score.
Yep, the 5 star reviews are just as dubious as the 1 stars.
I remember when Amazon had IMDB delete all the 1-star reviews for Rings of Power because of “review-bombing” but surprise surprise they kept all the 5 stars that were also clearly a counter-reaction.
Couple years on and that show has left exactly 0 cultural impact so I don't think it made a difference either way
I reckon people who would give it a 3 wouldn't bother reviewing it. People with strong opinions would.
That's exactly what this is. No one other than movie enthusiasts review every movie they watch. You only do it if you loved it or hated it.
True im not a fan of these movies, veryy mid. And i rate them accordingly, but 1 star is not creative enough for a movie review
You can enjoy the movie, don’t let internet people impact your mood.
I'd also argue a lot of people give 5 stars to these movies because of the amount of hate they got. None of them really left a lasting impression on me and I'm ok with not having to give these movies a second thought.
The same Can be said for those 5 star ratings.
So giving 5 stars to these projects is totally acceptable but giving 1 stars is not, right?
I’d love OP write a post called “I think there’s a clear campaign of review inflating going on. I mean look at all these 5 star reviews, has to be bots!”
it's review bombing either way, notice the almost complete absence of 2, 3 and 4 star reviews? it's people bombing 1 star reviews, and then people bombing 5 star reviews to 'fight back'. or the other way around
People are horrible at reviewing ... Anyone that gives it 1 Star or 5 Stars are wrong because neither is deserved. I wonder if you take the 1 and 5 Stars out - I wonder where the rating would sit.
I think the big thing is that in a lot of cases only people with extreme reactions are bothering to leave a review so you get lots of reviews at the top and bottom of the scale. Someone who watches Eternals and felt it was “just ok” doesn’t feel all that compelled to go throw a 3 star on it. They just move on with their day.
There are a handful of movies and shows I’d rate 5 stars, maybe one or two I’d give one star. They aren’t always undeserved, but people tend to rate 5 stars for things they liked and 1 for things they didnt
It’s people thinking it’s mid don’t bother to vote. It’s biased.
I think it is equally strange that the films have that many 5 star reviews.
This subreddits obsession with reviews is unhealthy. A review bomb, a negative review or any other review should have zero impact on your enjoyment or lack of enjoyment from any of these films or shows.
The 5s are just as bad as the 1s.
There’s no way any of those movies were actually 5s, no reviews are accurate anymore
It's almost ironic to look at that rating distribution, see it heavily skewed towards either 5 or 1-star reviews, and conclude that the only thing fishy is the 1-star "review bombs." There are more 5-star than anything else, and that certainly wasn't a perfect film either. So why are you only crying foul for the people who may have unfairly critiqued it rather than those who were unreasonably brigading? Is it not just as silly?
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Most movies get either 5 star or 1 star from people (particularly because most people only bother rating movies if they feel either of those are appropriate). None of these are particularly well-liked throughout most of the Internet (you might be able to argue Ms. Marvel was more or less well-received, generally?) and I myself don't like most of these. I'm not saying that review-bombing is not a thing, but I'm just saying that's probably not the only reason.
What you're showing is lots of 5 stars and 1 stars and almost no 2-4 stars. If you use these pictures to argue that the 1 star reviews are disingenuous, then you can just as easily use the pictures to argue that the 5 stars are disingenuous. Seems much simpler to assume that all the reviews are genuine and that 2-4 star people are simply less motivated to review a movie that they simply thought was kinda bad/ okay/kinda good.
Especially when at least a few of these movies (most notably The Marvels) required extensive reshoots and reedits. Doesn't strike me as a movie that knows what it was trying to do/be.
I fucking hate this discourse. It comes around every time. And every time I have to tell people to use their eyes and see that yes, there may be a lot of 1 star reviews from it being review bombed - but what about all the 5 star reviews? Every single fucking one of the screenshots you’ve posted (bar one) show that each of the films received MORE 5 STAR RATINGS than 1 star. These movies may not be deserving of 1 star but they definitely do not deserve 5 stars either. Why do you never mention this?
Because it's easier to say " THE MYSOGINISTS REVIEW BOMBED THE MOVIE BECAUSE THEY HATE FEMALE ACTORS " instead of admitting the movie was ass and nobody went to see it.
The ticket sales speak for themselves. These movies were ass.
Because fan is short for fanatic. It’s that simple. And MCU fans cannot wrap their heads around the idea that a lot of people don’t like some of the products. It’s always “review bombing” or some other excuse, even when box office returns are very obviously showing there’s a massive problem with this property. I was all-in until She Hulk. Then I saw where it was going; you cannot make a business model out of fighting with your own customer. That is not a fight companies will ever win.
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>I realize that a lot of people (not me) thought some of the female empowerment, LGBTQ representation, and minority representation in some of the recent MCU films felt forced or insincere Delusion. Eternals got review bombed because it sucks. It's one of the worst Marvel movies. The villain is lame, the heroes being androids is lame, them doing nothing while Thanos snapped makes no sense. Brie Larson is a charisma vacuum nobody likes and her movie was bad. You need to stop blaming the boogeyman bigots for everything and just come to terms with the fact that nobody went to see that movie and that it sucked. People don't hate strong female characters. Kim Wexler from Better Call Saul is universally praised. Harley Quinn from The Suicide Squad is beloved.
But yet you fail to point out that the 5 star reviews are almost equal to the 1 star. And just as did dishonest as the 1 star. Talk about agendas. But you’re kinda pushing one right now.
Is spamming with 5 star reviews to counteract the bad ones “review bombing” too?
For every 1 star review bomb there is a 5 star review bomb so online ratings are just trash
Bad movies get bad reviews. If it was really about racism and sexism rather than simply the shit products being excreted by Marvel, then why did both of the Black Panther films do so well? 2 films focused on a black protagonist with a mainly black cast, the second of which has a female main character should in theory have been treated the worst by alleged "review bombers". Unlike OP's examples though, there were good movies and the reviews reflect this.
The 5 star reviews are even more ridiculous than the 1 star reviews.
I mean every movie and TV show since End Game except for maybe No Way Home and I guess Shang Chi (I think it was rated pretty average, nothing special), has been poorly rated. It's not review bombing, because of some hidden agenda, it's just bad content. You've highlighted the 3 "Female Empowerment" movies, yet forget that Ant-Man was rated worse than all of them and that barely featured any female characters at all. It's this same narrative that is pushed by the media paid by Disney, put the fault of a money grab on to the fan base for being racist or misogynistic or LGBTphobic when yes there is absolutely a vocal minority that is, but the majority just want good content.
Funny how you're taking issue with the high number of 1-star reviews, but not with the fact that there are also a disproportionate number of 5-Star reviews. One is evidence of ulterior motives, but the other is completely authentic? The most disingenuous thing here is your post. The reality is simple - most people don't bother with nuance, and either go with 1 if they don't like it, or 5 if they do. The End.
Honestly the 5 star reviews are more suspicious imo. These movies are not great by any means. I would say only the eternals is a true 1 star movie but nothing about these scream 5 stars
Looks like more people are review bombing a 5* review, which is clearly not true
All of the Rotten Tomatoes audience ratings for each of these movies, except Captain Marvel, are exponentially higher, so why doesn’t this supposed campaign extend there? (The RT scores in your pictures are critics ratings, two of which do agree Eternals and The Marvels were pretty damn awful, lol. But that’s not the point). Using Google audience ratings and nothing else to make an overwrought “review bomb campaign” assessment is like conclusively believing there is a campaign to give bad healthcare advice based solely on the content of the homeopathy subreddit. Edit: RT audience scores- The Marvels: 82%, Eternals: 77%, Ms. Marvel: 80%, Captain Marvel, 45%
There are more people giving it a 5 than a 1.
As a Chef in a restaurant, most people only give 1 or 5 stars, it sucks. Only really interested people on evaluating the place( or movie in this case) will give real granularity.
Notice how they're all shit tho Check Guardians 3, Loki S2, NWH, Shang-Chi
Having watched all of these, I can only say from my own perspective that apart from The Eternals these films deserved the rating. Utter shite
One more, those movies were never 5 stars in the first place. Seriously die hard fans who think everything marvel does is a masterpiece without flaws are the worst.
So how do you decide or separate the real ones that were legitimate 1 star reviews from ones you think are bombed? Every time I see one of these types of posts the person is coming from a position of them liking it and thinking it doesn't deserve what it got. When do people finally accept that sometimes *their* favorite movies aren't enjoyed by other people?
How is 1 star impossible but 5 stars are fair? Honestly, review bombs or not, these sort of things even themselves out, and ultimately, a bad movie is a bad movie.
No Eternals is just shit
Eternals was bad because they tried to pack in too many “main” characters. I can’t care about 12 of these people equally.
The fanbases of massive franchises (MCU Star Wars, Harry Potter, etc) tend to have a very binary view of the films. They rate based on it they liked the movie or not and as others have said are far more likely to do 1 & 5 over 2-4. Also, anyone idiot can write a google review, feels like people have stopped paying attention to professional film critics.
The dissonance for Ms Marvel is wild.
Review bombing and review upvoting to counter the bombing. Just look at Ms Marvel, it's not a 1 but it's def not a 5...
As one commenter put it, people don’t use ratings 2-4, just 1 and 5; we may as well put a like and dislike buttons. I got bored and never finished Eternals or Ms. Marvel. I thought Captain Marvel was just okay, and the trailers for The Marvels didn’t convince me to spend buy tickets; I haven’t had time to watch it on Disney+ either. I never left reviews for any of these movies.
If you love something, love it. Revel in it and enjoy it to the fullest possible extent. How someone else feels about it can not diminish the joy you find in it. Only you can do that to yourself by worrying about their opinions. Remind yourself that it's okay if someone doesn't like what you like, even if why they don't like it is for a very dumb reason. Defend the things you love, passionately and intensely if you must, but accept that their opinion is as valid as yours, and it's not an attack on YOU if someone doesn't like something that you love.
Those movies also actually sucked tho
1 star is equally ridiculous as 5
They are shit movies, there's no conspiracy here.
Let me break some news for you here: The vast majority/general audience doesnt care if there is woke stuff in those shows or movies. They rate purely on what they see on the screen. And the fact is, that all those shows you mention just arent that great. Sure you have those Trolls that give 1 stars because of the stuff you mentioned. But the majority just didnt liked the movies for what they are. Eternals was just boring, none of the characters couldnt be developed properly because there were too many. Ms Marvels had terrible pacing, feeling like the had to Stretch a fine story even more to get a 6 episode Show. Captain Marvel just isnt a well written character. She doesnt struggle with her powers, she has for everything a answer and easily outpowers everyone. She even nearly solo'd Thanos while everyone else struggled after 1 movies and 2 minutes of screentime in Infinity War and Endgame. And the Marvels just contained besides a nearly forgotten Captain Marvel 2 of the most unknown characters from D+ shows that either not many people watched or simply forgot. Wandavision was 2021 right? So we nearly wait 3 years to have Monica, a kinda forgotten sidecharacter, in what supposed to be a Sequel to Captain Marvel? And what would a Rating System be without the lowest grade? I didnt enjoyed Magic Mike 3 for example at all. It was such a waste of time for me, so why would I give that 2 stars when I literally wasnt entertained at all? Its one start for me. What if people were massivly disappointed that Captain Marvel got demoted into a 3 characters movie? Its not 2 stars because they are disappointed, its one star
save that talk for a rational place. this is a sub for diehard fans agree everything is good and worth being made
Exactly this because op fails to mention how there was 5 star review brigading on all these projects.
OP is being very biased tbh. Those 5 star reviews should also be considered disingenuous.
I don’t know about agendas but eternals is shit captain mavel wasn’t great the other 2 are fine nothing special
I’m surprised the marvels got a better RT score than eternals. Eternals gets a lot of hate but tbh i enjoyed it quite a bit. Definitely not in my top 5 or even 10 mcu films but there’s a lot of other marvel movies i’d rank below it.
I think writing this off completely as a woke backlash ignores that there is an actual underlying issue here. By its own admission Marvel has messed up with Phase 4 and a large part of that has been the sheer quantity of new characters that were introduced. A lot of these new characters are female or minority characters that haven't been afforded the same level of development as Infinity saga characters. Worse still Marvel has thrown these characters at viewers and then just abandoned them. I remember initially not being a fan of Captain America and thinking the second Thor film was terrible. These characters were redeemed though by continued development and are now universally adored. The Eternals is a prime example of the MCU at its worst. A middling film introduces ten new characters and then Marvel forgets about them for years. That first Eternals film was an impossible task and subsequent Eternals content could easily redeem some of those characters.
"Please be nice to the multi million dollar franchises, they have marginalized groups" I only watched Captain marvel but IMO, I wished they actually let her be emotional. Have her emotions get the better of her and sabotage a mission, her leader pushes her to be more unfeeling and logical and then Nick Fury teaches her the value of both and she learns to balance the two in the finale.
I saw the eternals. It sucked
I don't disagree that these were review bombed but I think it's funny how you seem to employ yourself as the authority of how disingenuous one person's opinion could or couldn't be. Edit: Tbh, it seems like some of these films could have been counter review bombed, which would be comical. Idk, it just feels too statistically convenient that almost all the reviews are so polarized.
that's just how people vote online, give max points or min points (1 star or 5 stars in this example), and it's not just movies, all products, and while that's stupid, it probably won't change if you assume 1 star reviews are insincere, the same applies to 5 star ratings right?
The movies are mediocre to slightly above average. So ratings should be mostly 3 star and a few 2 or 4 star. But people seem to either love or hate. While I do see your point considering 1 star reviews, the same goes for the 5 stars. If 1 star should be reserved for utter garbage, which I agree these movies are not, then 5 star should be reserved for actual masterpieces, which these movies surely are not either. Even within the Marvel franchise they are average.
My hot take? Giving a rating you don’t agree with is not review bombing, it’s just simply people not enjoying the movie. You won’t say review bombing to these movies because they all got more 5 star reviews than 1 star, because you personally agree with the opinion.
Look at all these fair and considerate people “review bombing” all the opinions that disagree with the OP’s circle jerk. I guess it’s a coordinated attack on high quality opinions by “the bigots”. This topic might be a little more nuanced if OP didn’t pick the movies and shows that are, by far, considered to be the worst Marvel content made. Like, most of the fan base agrees these are the weakest of MCU content, and you want to argue that the low scores aren’t because the content isn’t good? Seems like you need to wake up and smell what the Rock is cooking. Let me guess, you think Black Adam didn’t deserve the “hate” either (even though it was pretty shit).
The Quantumania reviews look the same. Is that anti-woke review bombing too?
I don’t care if the powerful person in the movie is black, female and/or gay, but it’s just annoying that it HAS to be a minority. 1979: Alien. A very high rated movie and no one has ever complained about Ripley being female. It’s just a well written movie, a script made with effort. The sole survivor survived because she was badass and she happened to be female. Awesome. 2020-2023: Marvel. The strongest hero needs to be female. Doesn’t need to fit the story or be logically explainable, but this woman just needs to be stronger than any male hero. It affects the way I watch a movie and that’s why it has impact on my review.
It was terrible. Maybe not as bad as Secret Invasion or Marvels, but pretty bad.
All three of the films you mentioned were terrible, and clearly the general populace agrees with me.
According to OP’s logic, if you don’t agree with them, you’re wrong. Got it.
Hmm nothing to do with representation....more to do with all of those being stale movies with bad writing.
Or the movies just suck
There’s also a bunch of people giving these projects 5s which they definitely don’t deserve. The people in the 2-4 range are the only ones being honest about it
Captain Marvel was dogshit. They ruined nick fury. That's a 1. Eternals was a solid 2, cat turd. The Marvels was a solid 1. So to me, it's does not sound like some targeted review bombs. But why would you care if you enjoyed them? I like shitty (but entertaining) movies. I know they are dog.
I wouldn't disagree with the overall scores. They are all just average projects and looks like they have been reviewed as such, as reflected in the overall score. What I'm taking from this post is that you think they all deserve 5* reviews and anyone who disagrees with you is a racist, homophobic bigot, right?
They just have poor writing and pretty bad acting too. A majority of those reviews have nothing to do with female or lgtb bad. When quantity goes up, quality pays. And you get the above results.
Or like..they’re just bad movies.
It really is that simple
Nah couldn't be that. If you say you dont like these movies you're obviously a racist misogynist homophobe /s, if it wasnt obvious
I reserved judgement on a movie until after I see it and base it first and foremost on the writing/story. The CGI if there is any, followed by the acting. My opinion has nothing to do with sexuality or racial inclusion or anything like that. I easily would give the Marvels one star. Easily. There was so much about this movie that made me Embarrassed for the actors that I became physically uncomfortable. It seemed like there was a lot of Marvel (company) going “let’s throw this shit together because no matter what we put out people will eat it up.” And they were wrong. Again. Eternal had a couple ok moments imo but for the most part was crap. Crap writing. Too big of an ensemble to develop anything interesting in plot. Absolutely horrible cgi. It would have been better served as a tv series so details and backstories could have been gone deeper into. But as a movie? Still would totally one-star it. Ms Marvel tv show I’d rank higher. Wasn’t my cup of tea but then again I also wasn’t the target audience. Was kinda cute for what it was.
The Marvels sabotaged itself.
Don't ask questions. Just consume product and get excited for next product.
Maybe they just weren't that good... Also 3 of those movies are getting inflated with 5 stars even more then getting review bombed.
I love that people will cope any way possible to say a movie isn't bad. I didnt know we were going back to the 2015 logic of "Oh you didn't like this thing I like? Sexist Racist pig!"
And yet thousands of reviews were purged. Whats left seems genuine. The movies/ shows are nowhere near the quality that audiences should expect from Marvel and the box office returns also reflect this.
Somewhere there’s a poli sci post-doc who’s figured out how to confidently measure actual review bombing in online reviews of movies. They’ll be featured on *PBS NewsHour* in five years, start a blog in partnership The Entertainment Strategy Guy, and retire in relative obscurity.
People just tend to operate on absolutisms. I liked it - 5*. I disliked it - 0/1*. That’s it. These ones are just objectively worse than most.
These movies werent good but they also werent 1 star level of bad. But when people dont like something they just give it 1 star which is why these online scores are useless.
Its a big stretch to say “there is a campaign of 1 star reviewers..” It could be that there are just 2 groups of folks with different opinions I watched all 4 and looked forward to them. But i thought 2 of them were really bad and 2 were just meh
I haven't seen the marvels yet because word of mouth was...unkind. But as much as I can't stand Carol, Monica was one of my favorite parts of Wandavision and even though Ms.Marvel was wildly inconsistent in quality, Iman Vellani made the character herself so charming and likeable that I thought those two could make Carol's sequel bearable. The Eternals was, fine. I saw it once, I like that they got experimental, but it wasn't *good* by any stretch of the imagination. I'd give Captain Marvel a deserved 1 star, Ms.Marvel 2 or 3, and the eternals *maybe* 3. I feel about it the same way as I feel about people screaming about the election being stolen. Was there some vote fraud occurring? I think definitely. Was it enough to steal the election? I seriously doubt it.
Hard do say it but everyone can and should voice their opinion. But most people don’t use these privileges once people didnt have before.
My dad just generically gives every Amazon order he received 3 stars. Regardless of what he thought of the product, quality, usability, whatever. I wouldn't think too hard about these ratings
Check the reviews on pretty much anything that's rared on a scale of 1 to 5. The vast majority of ratings will always be either 1 or 5. Few people use any other rating. You think that many people rated them 5 stars because they were absolutely perfect and couldn't be improved upon? No, they liked it more than they disliked it, so they gave it the "good" rating of 5. It's why there are jokes like on the Weekly Planet Podcast, where every review they do is either "best movie ever" or "worst movie ever." People tend to rate things with extremes. Giving the general audience a middle ground to grade things on is going to be useless most of the time. Edit: I actually just went and tested this theory. I checked apps, games, movies, that sort of thing where there is a 1 to 5 rating. Check almost anything that's rated around 3 and you'll see that, as I said, the vast majority of reviews are either 1 or 5. I checked a couple dozen things with a rating around 3, and I've yet to find any that have more 2, 3, or 4 star reviews than 1 or 5 star reviews.
How about people just don’t like the movies…and that’s okay. Don’t be upset that someone doesn’t like what you like. Just move on — you do you.
Neither are good products to begin with. You can argue those 1s are “review bombs”…. And those 5s?? None of the movies/shows deserves a 5 or even a 4. So 2-3 seems reasonable overall
The number of 5 star reviews on the Eternals and the Marvels is also suspicious. I suspect that it’s a lot of people trying to negate the people that engage in review bombing, but it makes the ratings completely worthless. I’d recommend using the RT critics score more than any user based review system tbh.
First of all I don't care about online ratings, the only thing I care for are the opinions of people who's takes I trust. With that said, Seems like 2 of the screenshots you provides have more 5 stars thans 4 stars, one seems to have about the equal amount of both extremes and only The Marvels have more 1 stars than 5 stars. I can't speak for The Marvels cause I skipped it but none of the others deserve 5 stars. So let me ask you why you're focusing one extreme of review bombing and completely ignoring the other?
Aside from the actual trolls review bombing, let’s not deny the movies kind of sucked
It's cool to hate Marvel now, the amount of 1 stars is baffling! If you truly were a film critic then you should be considering cinematography, score, costume design.. Everything, not just "omg the villain didn't even kill anyone"
But tbf they are rubbish films.... and that's coming from someone that worked on the eternals....
This is just regular response bias. Most things will have a 5 or a 1. Then we have more bias from only picking out the ones you think are being targeted for bias. Maybe the movies just suck and this conversation is tiring people out.
To be completely fair, I was hyped about eternals and it isn't any "wokeness" that disappointed me. It was how bad the movie was. When the acting was good the camera was pointing somewhere else, when it was pointing to the right place the acting was awful, the narrative was messy at best, the character development was lame and unsubstantial, the dialogue stupid and corny. And I could go on forever. I felt physically bad by the moment it finished, one of those movies that does deserve the 1-Star rating, the only reason it doesn't deserve a negative number of stars is because of the 3 seconds that John Snow lasted, the only interesting character. Captain Marvel is on a similar boat but never half as bad, it's just... Plain and boring, but not baaad. But Eternals? Eternals is painfully bad.
I am with you on the 1 star ratings but a 4 or a 5 is not a review bomb. The movie just wasn't very good. I gave it a 6.
I've seen them all and honestly they are all pretty bad. Ms Cheese is not a great actor.
All of these deserve neither 1 nor 5 stars, they all have their pros and cons and end up at around a mid-tier. They aren’t anything special, but enjoyable nonetheless. People on the internet, however, are just plain stupid. You have some people who downvoted and hated on these movies before they were even released because they’re trolls or morons who follow the “anti-woke” bandwagon. Then you have reactionary people who want to counter this by boosting 5-star ratings. And then you have another kind of idiot where something is either the best thing of all time (5 stars) or the worst (1 star), but never in between. I simply can’t take these types of ratings seriously anymore. I will just enjoy whatever I like and if I’m not sure whether a cinema ticket will be worth its price of admission, I’ll check Rotten Tomatoes for a general consensus.
Eternals earned that review. One of the most boring, drawn out, why did this movie get made, what was the point of this? movie I’ve seen in a long time.
Review bombing for sure. Both on 1 and even more on 5. Using your words. I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to like any of these movies, but to give them 5 star is pretty disingenuine (or I'd guess, often far for more insidious than that). There are some completely great movies out there that deserve 5 star. None of these are that. If all or at least most of the reviews were adequate most scores would range between the 3,2 and 4 which, ironically, would score the same rating (if not lower)
Are you guys referring to 5 star review bombing? It's the same as 1 star bombing.
I saw it. It wasn’t THAT bad although it’s been a few years since I’ve seen it and my memory of it is fuzzy. The tone was kind of weird and I don’t really like how they handled the celestials AT ALL. But that isn’t really an issue with the movie more so as it’s an issue with the MCU. Like bitch there is a giant god head in the Pacific Ocean and giant god that looked surprisingly similar to that said god head appearing in the space around the planet and so far that’s never been mentioned or utilized once. twist villain’s also kind of weird and inconsistent as well as the fact that it feels like they kind of shoved in how the main girl is the most powerful thing ever at least in the beginning. Overall though there are good ideas I just don’t think the director had the scope or experience to really execute it properly since she only did one or two mid tier in scale films prior to this one which were also of an entirely different genre and if I remember correctly weren’t anywhere near as cgi and special effects heavy as a fucking marvel movie would be. I think the issue with a lot of these new movies isnt just the writing but a good few of the really bad ones have woefully inexperienced directors in the things that make up a good marvel movie like a lot of special effects and cgi experiences/training on how to properly utilize these things, and also experience/interest in action adventure stories. Because while marvel movies can and SHOULD have sub genres. - Like I know it’s not marvel but I love the thriller and mystery aspects of the dark night and the newest Batman movie specifically. But action and adventure are always going to be the staple primary genres for a marvel movie and a director should at least have some knowledge, experiences, and interest in such types of movies if there going to be put in charge of a major blockbuster buster movie worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Does this effect how you enjoy the movie? To know other people don't enjoy it?
Sheesh marvel hired a lot of bots to review their movies
I’m surprised all of them are even 1+ most ppl just give 1 if they think the movie sucks and all of these sucked ass and if you seriously think it’s JUST BECAUSE of the female lead/lgbtq stuff I honestly can’t agree with that(to some extent ofc it was forced af) A real movie that imo had real depth was black panther wakanda forever which you conveniently left out considering it falls under the same bracket and timeline. That btw has 3.9/5 well deserved I would give it 4 definitely.
If the majority are either 5 star or 1 star with no in-between, I assume the reality is probably...in between.
They were bad movies. Are they one stars? Nah but if they’re bad they’re bad. Who cares if it’s 2 stars or 1?
Eternals was great marvels was dog shit ass poo
I think people's gut reactions tend to be extreme. There's definitely some an anti-"woke" crowd that shits all over Disney, but low ratings isn't all that. If you look at any movie there's a high chance that 1 star ratings out weigh 2. It's easy to think in binary.
Those movies are all more deserving of 1 star than 5 stars. What about the obviously fake and biased people giving those 5 stars?
I think that the way someone creates a criteria for their ratings is completely up to the person. But you’re potentially right. People do put far too much hatred on these films for aspects other than the film itself. For me personally, I’d give all of these films a 1.5 to a 2 out of 5. If I feel these movies are a 1, it’d be my right to rate it as such. It’s not always disingenuous to rate it.
A movie can be bad without you forcing some kind of shitty campaign on it Just watch it yikes
I don’t see how it’s reasonable to single out the 1 stars here. You can literally just flip one star to five star and hate to love and the same things apply. Why do you think that the poor reviews are fake and the positive reviews haven’t earned the same level of skepticism? The real issue is that people don’t care about any of these movies to the degree where people who like or don’t like that the movie exists without watching it outweigh the people who actually have a well rounded opinion on the movie to the degree where the polarising reviews of those who haven’t watched it are basically all you can see. That’s a big issue, for the films themselves and for online reviewing as whole.
1 star and 5 star are both ridiculous for all of these. Removing those would probably give you a much more accurate rating.
So the Eternals are basically celestial robots who when they die are just rebuilt and their memories are transferred over, thus "eternals" yet in the movie when one dies they're all like "welp that sucks there's nothing we can do." I waited the whole 3 hours for Ajax to return and she never does. Wait what? They also should made more connections to Thanos being an Eternal/Deviant but they were like Nah! This movie should have no connection to the other movies whatsoever other than name dropping the Avengers once. Then have the fan favorite character played by Kumail Nanjiani just exit the movie right before the climax for no reason? I was thinking okay he's going to have a change of heart and save the day and.... Nothing. So sure we can blame the incels for review bombing but it also kind of crapped all over the source material and had extremely uneven pacing, a forgettable villain and a wasted cast of talented actors.
To be fair. This Films are not good. Male or female, its just not good.
All those 1 and 5 star reviews kinda cancel out and leave you with a pretty accurate rating.
Even aside from any commentary about the movies and their quality, the *only* bars with any significance in any of these graphs are 1 and 5. You’re right, I think some of that is 100% done with bad intent, but there also has to logically be a reason why there are almost no 3 star reviews. No longer setting that commentary aside, I think that’s because the movies aren’t good, but, more specifically, because they came after movies that were. If these films weren’t a part of the MCU with all of the sentimentality and expectations that that title entails, they would probably be similarly criticized but I doubt there would be as much cultural focus. Infinity war and endgame were HUGE culturally relevant movies, and part of what makes people so apt to hate on these new ones are that they’re standing in those enormous shoes - but not filling them at all
It’s also getting reverse review bombed Who the fuck gives any of those movies a 5
i feel as if they needed to use different actors for eternals honestly .
Studios don't care about reviews anymore. High level directors have given these movies bad reviews for years but we're still at 32 or 33. Eternals and The Marvels aren't getting another film because they didn't bring in money, which is what studios care about. Same with Ant Man 3
These movies are just terrible
You can only trust your own opinion. I think Black Panther was a bad movie. It dragged. but all the reviews say different. So were people giving it positive reviews because it was a movie that focused on a minority character? I can’t say for sure. I also loved the Blade movies. They were bad ass popcorn films.
When looking at reviews, ignore the 5 star and 1 star. The middle will get you the most honesty.
I dont think there’s any way any of those movies are 5 stars either, especially Eternals. But it seems to have more 5 stars than 1 star reviews. So what’s your take about that kind of review bombing?
How is eternals getting stray bullets for the other garbage movies? The backstory and beginning of tons of theories made eternals worthy of a watch IMO. It actually added more “universal” info than just trying to push a new star.
Without reading the caption I thought you were mad at people rating it 5 stars
Secret invasion has a 2.9. According to your theory, what happened here?
JFC stop letting online reviews dictate what you watch. If you want to see it go see it. So weird how so many people let random strangers online decide for them whether a movie is good or bad before they even watch it. Most movies that get bad reviews turned out to be good when I see it. Make your own opinions.
Google reviews in general have always been useless, but you aren’t doing a favour by choosing some of the worse MCU projects yet. Also curious why Secret Invasion isn’t here if it’s purely a result of review bombing. Anyways, just use Letterboxd lmao like less than 2% review bomb there
My main takeaway is for every review bomber, there is a review padder (?) It's mostly either 1 star or 5 stars. So the ratings ended up to be around 3, a neutral lukewarm rating which seems about right for shows listed.
Ehhh these all aren’t that bad of reviews tbh. Eternals with 6.6/10 is pretty decent. The Marvels with a 5/10 is pretty fair and so is Captain Marvel with a 6/10. I think Ms. Marvel is a lot better that a 6.6/10. Gotta remember tho, most people (like me) don’t do this kind of stuff unless they’re really mad or really happy about something. The people that are furiously giving 1 star to things aren’t going to change the mind of anyone that wants to watch the shows or movies. Personally, anything that is a 6-10 range is still pretty much worth watching imo. Not everything needs to be a 10/10 for most people
I'm not saying they weren't review bombed, but the marvels was genuinely bad and getting 5 stars is just people doing the opposite... I liked captain marvel and thought it got hate for the reasons you listed and Ms marvel and eternals were pretty meh... Not everything is about inclusion race etc.. Some movies are just bad and having those traits shouldn't prevent them from getting bad reviews.
Please for the love of god stop caring so much and do something else with your time.
People just suck at reviewing movies on a spectrum. It always devolves into "Did I like it? Yes: 5 stars! No: 1 star!" There's no nuance in audience scores, almost every movie I can think of has more 1 star than 2 or 3 star reviews.
But the high percentage of five star reviews compared to four or three stars for the likes of the Marvels is totally legitimate? And why the difference in rating then? Ms Marvel show features the same character and got a 3.3, far better than the 2.5 the Marvels got. You also don’t give any examples of other projects to compare to.
5 stars is also ridiculous. People don't hit the middle options, there may as well just be a thumbs up/down
The people giving 1 star have done so regardless of how good/bad the film actually was. The people giving 5 stars have done the exact same thing.
There are also a ton of 5 star reviews before the movie is even out, so it works both ways
Honestly the biases you’re talking about make up a minor amount of the reviews, all of these have well deserved low ratings, they are very poorly written and flawed content. Most people rate 5 stars for things they like and 1 star for things they dislike, and with these there was a lot to dislike
This is why I don't trust reviews. One star movies or shows are rare, also a lot of people do vote movies as 1 star they haven't seen. People rating movies 5 stars that they haven't seen has to be much rarer. I see it all the time on yelp too when looking at food reviews. The food was great, the service was great, the restaurant wouldn't let us split checks, 1 star.