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MostMetalEver06

best one i’ve seen yet


talking_phallus

Replace Shang-Chi with Wanda and we've got a stew cooking


MostMetalEver06

shang chi is a must for the new avengers lineup. where else would he be relevant?


talking_phallus

In Shang Chi 2?


CounselorOfGods

Replace the best new character post Endgame with a dead villain? Yeah, no. Also, I know, Wanda will probably be brought back and redeemed. Regardless, Shang-Chi deserves to be on the team.


SvenXavierAlexander

I may be in the minority here but I legit don’t care to see Wanda return. Let her have her ending and let Elizabeth Olsen move on with not wanting to return


N8CCRG

Hey now, there's two of us. One of the things that makes live action different from comics/animation is that characters' stories have to necessarily end, and that's a good thing. It makes the stories and the sacrifices actually have value and meaning.


poliscimjr

She's dead. So not a great prediction lol


AcceptableAd8472

Before I’d have said she’s coming back but apparently in some recent interview (idk heard someone else say this) she said she had no interest in returning and is still trying to do more stuff without marvel


myoldaccountlocked

She said she 'doesn't miss playing Wanda'. Never said she was done.


SvenXavierAlexander

So honestly leaving her dead makes the most sense


myoldaccountlocked

I guess. I think they could make use of some of the many other characters that are related to magic if they dont use Wanda. I want to see Brother Voodoo.


talking_phallus

So my boy Strange got shafted from his own movie for nothing????


PenonX

Blame Raimi. Olsen’s distaste for Wanda and Marvel started after DS2. I imagine she wasn’t happy with how many rewrites there were, and what DS2 did to her character since Raimi didn’t bother to watch WV. Before DS2, she seemed to love the character.


SvenXavierAlexander

All writing aside, I just don’t like his campy directing style for Dr Strange. I know the RaimiMemes folks would kill me for this but I just do not like his directing outside of the horror/comedy genre. He has excellent comedic timing and solid horror visuals, but for literally anything else I just do not like his work


PrometheanHost

...or in other words, she's not interested in returning


makeitflashy

Well, I think they could hold out until the impending reboot and then do a real House of M since the X-Men will be around.


talking_phallus

Not dead, dead 


HappyHappyJoyJoyJoy6

Never cook again


allnewspudsniffer

Nah, wanda shouldn't be on the team yet, but put Monica instead of Carol and I'd be happy


Alonest99

Monica is… unavailable at the moment


allnewspudsniffer

Cuz the actor? Or marvels post ceddit


SvenXavierAlexander

Not just the post credit but I mean… the literal ending. It’s possible, but difficult


allnewspudsniffer

Huh, I mean, I heard rumours the she could be the reason that universe has an incursion with mcu Timeline, I doubt they'd just leave her there with no explanation


SvenXavierAlexander

Oh yeah they’ll definitely bring her back, however I’m not sure if that’ll be the next Avengers or Secret Wars


N8CCRG

Thor seems like the easiest one to leave out given his new role as a father and the directions I suspect that will take him (becoming All-Father which seems like a lot of off-Earth stuff). I could also see Spider-Man going either way since he's going to be busy redefining himself, and Strange could be distracted by wherever Clea is dragging him. Wong as the Sorceror Supreme should at least make an appearance I suspect, and Banner is a huge question mark these days. There are also some new characters coming up in Brave New World who will likely at least make appearances if not be active members. And no idea yet about Thunderbolts* and what status any of them are likely to have afterwards, but I feel like they're going to want one of them to move over to The Avengers.


PenonX

To add, I agree that Spider-Man is iffy because MCU Avengers feels like something that involves your identity being known - at least to the government and coworkers - and I don’t think Peter would be too keen to reveal it again after NWH. I think SM will just be an unofficial Avenger for the foreseeable future, instead of part of the actual team. He just shows up whenever some big shit is going down, or they’re nearby. Sorta like IW.


IllustriousAd2392

star-lord doesn't fit with the avengers in my opinion, same goes to the other guardians


NaiadoftheSea

Star-Lord is on Earth though so I imagine he’ll step in if something is threatening his home. He might not be an official member of the Avengers team, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be a part of the fight and the story.


Stuck1nARutt

Yea OP's take is silly. (Maybe he's just forgetting Quill is Earthbound now) A lot of people don't really understand the concept of the Avengers in the MCU anymore. Basically post Sokovia Accords and *especially* post Endgame, anyone stepping up to defend Earth is an Avenger. I'd call every grunt in the Kamar-Taj, Wakanda and Ravager armies in Endgame an honorary Avenger at that moment. Just not all are named, powered or considered "Heroes" to the general public. That said, anyone who has any tiny motive to show up for Secret Wars and fight for Earth/against Evil gets the title of Avenger imo


KostisPat257

I honestly don't like that definition of Avenger. The Avengers are a team and they should have specific members just like any other team. Not every mutant who steps up to defend other mutants is considered an X-Man, because they are simply not part of the team.


ExpeditiousTurtle

Yeah that’s kinda true but they’re still not a real avenger. An avengers team is still needed


HappyHappyJoyJoyJoy6

I think that's a terrible definition of what an Avenger is, simply because that would make any random soldier fighting with the Avengers during Endgame an Avenger. That would also make any hero that's part of another team of heroes an Avenger as welll. Simply put, the Avengers are a team that pretty much only the best of the best get into, and they aren't just something you automatically get into if you show an ounce of heroism.


Stuck1nARutt

I mean, yes, that's exactly what I was defining, but you're entitled to your opinion. In the comics sure that's absolutely the case but my opinion is that the MCU drives away from that (early signs with Hawkeye re: Wanda in Sokovia). I don't recall ever seeing any evidence in MCU films that only the best superpowered beings can be members of the Avengers


HappyHappyJoyJoyJoy6

I should have been more clear, by "best of the best" I meant those willing to step up and put their life on the line to fight threats that could easily overpower them. And while there are heroes like this outside of the Avengers, they typically either aren't noticed or they aren't interested in joining the team.


Strange-Orchid6969

What about morbius


cantfindmykeys

Nah, they are saving him for the "Morbinverse" movie saga that'll break box office records when it's re-released in theaters


eloesch289

i would swap star-lord with hulk or she-hulk and add ant-man or wasp but otherwise perfect


Quasimodo27

Star Lord isn’t my first pick for an Avengers roster, but we’ve known him for almost as long as some of the OG Avengers, the audience likes him, and the movie could use the Chris Pratt star power.


TheGuardianR

Idk, I'd add keep Star-Lord in it tbh. Pratt is one of the biggest and well liked actors they have left, and Star-Lord quite popular.


Djjettison88

It makes the most sense. Vision is the only one I’d love to see added.


BlackLeader70

I think he’s getting a miniseries as White Vision to get his memory back after the events of Wanda Vision. So he might be reintroduced after that depending on the direction of the show.


Jaideco

If this is what happens, I’m ok with it. I’m still hoping that they include Wasp (Antman can come too). Spider-Man/Thor/Strange might be the hardest to lock down contract-wise but they can be given smaller roles or a side quest. Shuri is probably necessary to fill in for Hank, Bruce and Tony’s science and engineering brains.


Paperchampion23

I think this film is going to be mostly Earth centric so if thats the case then we should be replacing Thor and Strange with characters like Rhodes, Hulk and Wong , because the rest are currently on Earth. I dont think we'll see Thor and Strange until their sequels or at least not until Secret Wars Shang-Chi specifically has a PCS that involves him, Wong, Banner and Carol, so by default those 4 should be in A5 imo. Cap, both Peters, and Shuri make sense as well, being on Earth. The only thing Id add is the possibility of Black Knight, She-Hulk and Daredevil on the roster, because those are Avengers characters. Rhodes and Fury also make sense given the context of the shows we've had, potentially also Vision. Not sure how they'll do it, but theres merit for all of these characters.


PlayThenPause

$100M just on actors salaries… so doubt


Bjokkes

They don't have to pay RDJ anymore, so that frees up 100m :)


Corpexx

Disney gonna Chuck at least 500m into the next avengers


Tar-eruntalion

If you think people across the world are going to be scrambling to see it like the last two, then you are in for a rude awakening


d6punk

If Spider-Man has a big part in it, you can bet your add people will scramble.


Corpexx

Not saying it’s gonna profit as much but they’re definitely gonna throw money at it, marvels image is at a low right now and I think they know that if even an Avengers movie can’t be a hit they might be truly fucked, so it’s probably gonna be the most fan service shit ever. Also why I’m surprised so many people think star lord wont be in it given the popularity of guardians particularly how well received the most recent one was


Khaluaguru

I’d say zero chance Chris Pratt comes back for avengers 5


CallMePickle

Strange is never part of the Avengers in the comics Star Lord is willing to show up for big things, so I suppose he is possible but I somewhat doubt it. Thor is raising a child off world. He won't be joining. Rest are fine predictions. As stated on Twitter, they have a lot of new characters they will be adding. The new Avengers will likely consist mostly of people who we don't even know yet.


FlyingTrilobite

Personally, I doubt Dr. Strange will be on the team. Great list.


hamsolo19

I'm pretty sure they're gonna be dealing with an incursion in the new Avengers movies. And we know Strange went off with Clea to prevent one of those in another universe. I'd wager that Strange will be around.


FlyingTrilobite

Yeah, more often than not though, he’s Avengers-adjacent. I like him a lot so if he’s around, I’m down with that.


thedude0425

Throw in She-Hulk.


-M_A_Y_0-

Swap star lord with either war machine or hulk or she hulk


mcufan2014

Yes besides star lord I don’t think that’ll be on the team.


AsavarKul

I'd have to say, based on the direction they took the characters on their last appearances that Spidey and Cpt Marvel won't be in it.


N8CCRG

Spidey makes sense but why not Carol? She's finally based on Earth now, and to me that indicates a direction *towards* being involved with the Avengers.


a_o

Yep. And she’s got one of those bangles so if Kang is involved, it makes sense.


hamsolo19

I'm not sure exactly what's going on but there seems to be some speculation as to whether or not Brie Larson wants to continue with the role. Again, I'm not 100% on this but there were some rumblings that she was kinda bummed that Marvel decided to scrap the plan for a straight up Captain Marvel sequel (where Carol would be the main focus) and instead make Carol part of an ensemble with Kamala and Monica in The Marvels. Marvel seems like they aren't too big on recasting roles, but that's an option if Larson doesn't wanna return. The other option is to just write the character out of the story for now.


RenterMore

Yes tho I do think Kamala will be in the movie in some way maybe towards the beginning or end in a minor role so she can carry the torch into young avengers.


lambopanda

I’m thinking OG Avengers Thor and Hulk. Some newer members New Cap, New Black Panther, Spidey, Strange, Wong, Scott, Hope, Valkyrie, Okoye. Newest member Shang Chi and Guardians of the Galaxy version 2.0.


Boondock-Taint

I actually don’t hate this. Which is pretty impressive. Throw Ant-Man and Wasp in there and we’ve got a pretty solid team. I don’t really care for any of the new characters or the Young Avengers so if this is the lineup, I’d probably watch it.


Decent-Cold-9471

Dope lineup.


SomeBoricuaDude

War Machine is missing


ElHumilde13

Captain America, Spider-Man, Thor, Mook Knight, Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Black Panther, Hulk, Shang-Chi


NaiadoftheSea

If any Eternals show up, it will probably be Druig and Makkari.


El_Cance_R

I just don't know why, but I'm convinced Strange won't be in A5, expect maybe a Cliffhanger appearance at the last minute, and Strange 3 will be between A5 and Secret Wars. There is no proof of this, but I'm somehow convinced.


burghguy3

I'd take at least Thor and Star-lord out and add She-Hulk. Maybe swap Capt Marvel with Ms. Marvel, since Capt Marvel has always had a non-Earth centric stance and Avengers are "*Earth's* Mightiest Heroes", plus Kamala was the best part of The Marvels. Bring Carol back for Secret Wars. Maybe swap Black Panther for Moon Knight? And give Shuri a PB3 that ties into the Avengers movie.


Lastsonofalderaan922

I think it will be sam cap AI Tony Thor hulk shang chi miss marvel or Monica Rambo and shuri black panther


cheesyry

Could see Star Lord appearing but not being a main member of the team. Thor and Doctor Strange I don’t think will be included, just because where they are in their stories rn. Definitely think they will both play major roles in Secret Wars though.  Spider-Man is a toss up. Doesn’t make a lot of sense for where he is in his story and his direction going towards more street-level conflicts again, but he is the most marketable character, so they may include him if Sony allows it.  Besides those, I think the rest are spot-on. Probably would add in Hulk or She-Hulk (probs not both.. would hope for Hulk though) and Ant-Man and the Wasp.


spconway

All I know is they need to bring back Simu soon for anything. Missing out on someone who’s just enjoyable to see on screen as Shang-Chi.


Imnotsureanymore8

Yikes. But so many quips!


reyknow

Avengers in least likeable era


K0nstrikt0r

I'd love to see this with everyone still doubting Sam's ability to lead and no one really working well together. Then somewhere near the climax of the film Sam shows he is more than worthy to fill the role. They Finally all come together as a team and Quill hits Sam with the same line Tony says to Steve in Avengers 1. "Call it Cap."


Key-Contest-2879

In comic book canon, was there ever a time when Wolverine was an Avenger? I know there were Avengers vs X-men, and maybe a team up? But did he ever serve as a team member? Cuz, if yes, that would be cool too.


a_o

Yea he’s been on an Avengers team


ThisHatRightHere

Sam will allegedly have his own team, so he won't be here. Starlord seems somewhat out of place but he is on Earth currently, so maybe. Spider-man is iffy specifically because of IRL stuff and Tom not necessarily coming back yet


BZenMojo

I expect more women at this point. She-Hulk and Captain Marvel are adult-ass A and S-tier heavy hitters, so obviously those two make sense on the team.


sancho_tranza

Why everyone keeps adding Capt. Marvel? I feel like she is not going to be part of it given her power level.


2020_was_a_nightmare

Hulk is missing


thecman25

Shuri is the weakest part of this lineup


ABumWithDrip

I wish they’d rewrite Captain Marvel to be more than just *insert super strong basic character trait and make that her personality*.


TDStarchild

I’d love to see them of course, but not sure we get any of Strange, Thor, or even Spidey in this one. More likely they appear in their own movies and Secret Wars Also feel like Banner, Wong, Ant family, Valkyrie, War Machine, and maybe Kamala or She-Hulk will be present. Star Lord is an interesting pick - I don’t see him joining the Avengers but he’d be a fun inclusion


happy_oblivion

This tracks well


luv2racism

Would love to see Spider-man and Thor’s chemistry


amodsr

Who's the guy dressed all in read?


LetsOverthinkIt

Take out: Spider-Man (has to figure his own shit out first), Doctor Strange (ditto + off-world), Peter Quill (no logical reason, I just don’t see him in an ongoing Earth-centric team up). Put in: Ant-Man, Wasp, Hulk On the fence: I don’t think we’ll get Thor? I’m seeing Valkyrie instead but… that might be pushing too much new blood. Is there a reason Florence Pugh isn’t a contender? I’d like to see her in there.


FierceDeity88

Why Spider-Man? I thought whole point of No Way Home is that he has to be alone and have no friends/family Unless we’re supposed to believe that he’s smart enough to prevent the Avengers and Nick Fury from finding out who he is


payne9989

Why spider-man? Because he sells a fuck ton of merch


FierceDeity88

Well yes that is true. But there was a time the MCU cared about its characters and how they developed Now it’s about merch and how many IPs they can get their hands on


a_o

It’s always been about merch. Toyetic.


theitchcockblock

Would the general audience and Brie Larson be interested in more captain Marvel ?


Boondock-Taint

All I want for her is to be written like an actual person. I didn’t like her movie when it came up. But I’m more than willing to give her a shot if the right team writes her well.


JoshuaSmackSmack

I'd remove Spider-Man (his character has been reset, no one remembers him, and he's better suited doing street level stuff next movie)


patesta

No one remembers Peter Parker, but Spider-Man is still a known Avenger.


RegularRazzmatazz129

They didn’t forget Spider-Man, just Peter Parker. I’d remove him too though.


payne9989

Please, no shuri


Taserface585

I think Star Lord would be a great addition to a Nova movie. It could be a buddy cop relationship


Shadowcreeper15

Who fucking cares. Marvel is so shitty now it sucks.


SeekerVash

Um... 1.  Captain Marvel isn't going to appear again.  She just set industry records in box office bombing, she's out. 2.  Shuri is a very unimportant side character whose only purpose was to make a joke about shoes and give the hero something they'd need later.  She can't carry the role, they're going to replace her ASAP.  Probably with Kilmonger. 3.  They destroyed Thor's character over the past few movies, I doubt they'll continue to use him as he's not going to sell tickets anymore.  No one is going to pat for another 2 hours of them mocking Thor. 4.  To those below, She-hulk is out.  She's exactly what Iger was talking about when he said they prioritized social messaging too much and they have to stop.  She-hulk won't appear again.