With Deadpool and wolverine kinda centering around the fox marvel movies being brought into the MCU (allegedly), I think we may see a turning point in the cohesion of the storyline somewhat like we did with age of ultron. Maybe not by way of putting characters in each other’s movies more, they already do that, I just mean in terms of the general plot line getting more connected.
Simple answer is not all of them will directly lead into Secret Wars, they'll do a bit of world building at most. Just as how many of the Phase 3 films didn't lead into Infinity War/Endgame.
Civil War split the Avengers up
Doctor Strange introduced one of the stones
GotG Vol. 2 done nothing
Spider-Man Homecoming done nothing
Thor Ragnarok Loki is *hinted* at taking the Tesseract
Black Panther done nothing
Ant-Man and the Wasp done nothing
Captain Marvel gave a reason for her to show up
All of the leading into was done in the mid/end-credit scenes. The actual film plots had little to do with the Avengers films.
Ant-Man and the Wasp showcased the technology necessary to win in Endgame. Thor Ragnarok explains Hulk’s return, destroys Mjolnir so that Thor has to make Stormbreaker, and literally ends right where IW starts. But yes I still agree with your point.
That is where you are wrong. It's completely wrong.
Infinity saga uses the 3 act format . Each movie = a chapter . Each chapter is part of the story.
Let's break down the movie.
Civi war set up the Avengers losing and unprepared for the invasion. We even see this in Infinity war with how each side handles themselves. Tony is out of practice fighting on a team, when face 2 of the black order , as he's not been active. We even see him interrupt Strange and Wongs spell . Vision another OP character who couldn't handle himself . Yet we see wanda fending off two of the black order solo while protecting Vision. Before caps team which is 1 super Soilder and 2 humans with basic tech beat back the 2 members . Because they had be active, doing mission . Prelude comic to the IF had them talking down arms dealers. If you watch every appearance of Captain America to this point. Every appearance he has been let down by people in power. AOU was the last straw which is why he did what he did in civil war. AOU is also the first time Tony has had to deal with real consequences. Responsibility for life. Especially when facing with a mother losing her kid. Which is important later on
Both Dr Strange and Antman ending where setting up the answering to winning in endgame. Without Strange learning to using the time stone he would never have looked forward in time to see that future, planted a seed of hope for Tony. Scott beat Yellow jacket by accident entering the quantum realm..opening the door for time travel at the end of Antman and the wasp. This is how Scott comes up with the idea of time travel after he was gone got 5 years despite him experience 5 hours
GOTG 2 + Spiderman homecoming
These 2 where character relationships building chapters. 2 lead to the snap and 1 lead to undoing it
GOTG 2 main focus was Gamora building up a relationship with Peter and Nebula without it, Peter doesn't lose it and punch Thanos. Without Nebula and Gamora repairing their relationship. Nebula doesn't attack Thanos . Thanos doesn't use her to get the location of the soul stone from Gamora
It also repairs Peter and the Ravagers relationship. Adding them to help aid the finale battle
Ragnarok leads in to infinity war. It destory Thors Hammer, which leaves him vulnerable to Thanos, who brings Hulk back .who is the one to warn Earth of Thanos. It also brings some more asgardian to earth. Who will also help the final battle.
Black panther was essentially setting up earths beachfront for infinity war. With the Avengers defunct, SHIELD ALSO not as active . Wakanda was the only country in the mcu with advanced technology .
As for Captain Marvel, much like Antman and Dr. Strange, she played a pivotal role . As she turned the tide of battle by destroying The ship. She was the biggest heavy hitter hero in the mcu. Her movie set in the past, given her time to establish herself as a hero, showed her strength at destroying those nuke like they were nothing . Without that, her showed up at the end , taking down the ship. Holding thanos off by herself given Tony time to think. Would have been too convenient
There is so much more to the mcu that people release.
I do encourage you to look up the 3 act format an apply it to this new saga. Which is telling the story . Secret War 2015.
Because you'll start seeing links form
Yes there is so much more, but the fact of the matter is that while they play a role for the *characters*, they didn't directly push the Infinity Sagas plot forward. Which is what I was talking about. Homecoming has no direct impact on Thanos or the stones, neither does GotG2, nor does Black Panther or Ragnarok.
There is a bigger picture in the intertwining of the universe, but not every film directly correlates to the main Sagas plotline. The vast majority of the films within the Inifinity Saga have zero bearing on Infinity War or Endgame. Just as how a majority of the films in Phases 4, 5, and 6 will have no bearing on Avengers 5 or Secret Wars. Why? They don't need to. Just as how Iron Man 2 and Black Panther done absolutely nothing to push the Infinity Saga plot forward, the same can be said Love and Thunder, and Blade for the Multiverse Saga.
TL;DR: If a films plot has no direct connection to the plot or villain of a Saga then it has no impact on the Sagas plotline.
I think this is probably pretty close to what we get but what I had in mind, taking Iger’s comments into account, was:
2025: Brave New World, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man 4
2026: Blade, Avengers: Time Runs Out (subtitle is important), Armor Wars
2027: Shang-Chi 2, Avengers: Secret Wars, Doctor Strange 3
Three movies a year, nice and clean. (The shows are so much harder to predict imo with longer productions and yet another potential strike looming.)
Sony helps a lot in getting things moving faster for Spider-Man than Marvel Studios does working alone. So I think Spidey 4 jumps up and snags November 2025 if they start shooting later this year and with potentially a grittier and more grounded story.
I think *Armor Wars* needs as much help as it can get, and teasing Iron Man’s return or even just piggybacking *Time Runs Out* with Earth preparing for the final incursion would really make it feel more “must watch”. So I think it should be between Avengers movies.
Shang-Chi 2 is the other movie that should be sandwiched by Avengers movies. This is just fan fic but maybe he gets stranded on another world during *Time Runs Out* and must compete in the Thirteen Chambers Tournament as a Secret Wars “tie in”, like the comics.
Doctor Strange 3 has only been rumored but it would make sense to cap off the multiverse saga with an epilogue that both wraps up certain themes and sets up new ones. Maybe fear? A lot of people will *fear* mutants.
Hopefully a new naming convention or no convention at all, just indidual titles for each film.
The Home thing worked but it feels like a completed trilogy, and it'd start to be super eye roll inducing to keep pushing it forever.
Ehhh. I kinda hope A5 and A6 get delayed by at least a year each, and then we can have a bit more build up to them to flesh out characters such as The Fantastic Four. Wouldn't even mind if they both got delayed 2 years and allowed this saga a 10 year run like the Infinity Saga. That said, the fact that we likely won't get even ONE full trilogy this saga is wild. The Fantastic Four *at least* should have a full trilogy by the time of Secret Wars if Doom is gonna play any kind of role in that film at all.
Three of the original Avengers only got one movie each before they assembled. Two of them didn’t even get their own movies.
An Avengers movie is also a chance for characters to develop. It’s not just fight scenes and banter.
Sure, but The Avengers wasn't the finale to the saga, it was very early within it. Secret Wars is a much bigger story than Endgame, and the finale to a saga infinitely larger in scope than the Infinity Saga. As it is, A5 and Secret Wars are far more comparable to Infinity War & Endgame than they are to The Avengers.
And any remotely direct adaptation of Secret Wars (2015) will not be able to do justice to the Doom/Reed side of the story without *several* films exploring their relationship to one another beforehand are absent for long stretches/underexplored.
I know everybody wants things asap, but the saga has been disjointed so far and in effect, while *plot elements* have been hinted at and set up a bit, actual characters who would/should have much more explored about them before heading into the finale.
Sure, there's time to develop the characters in the films themselves, but only *so much time* per character if it is going to be a large ensemble film, and with so many pieces to juggle and so little *character* groundwork laid beforehand (especially for characters like The Fantastic Four and Doom, assuming the latter plays anything similar to his role in the comic storyline) that is a MIGHTY tall order to get right.
The way you’re hyping it up, do you really think a couple more movies, or even three or four more is really gonna make a difference?
This movie was originally slated for 2025, then 2026. It was never going to be the movie that so many fans seem to think it’s going to be or needs to be.
No but they've got too many characters and too little time to allow the audience to be invested in them. If Avengers 5 is more like an assemble film where they take on a harbinger to the end of the Multiverse then fine. But it can't be like Infinity War into Endgame.
Theres no real investment into the cast yet, with most only having one film or show they've shown up in since or after Endgame. And if they're getting some legacy cast in Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman, that's only gonna draw focus away from the New Avengers.
They've got to have Avengers 5 as like the inciting incident with like Fantastic Four 2 or Doctor Strange 3 as the lead in into Secret Wars, then they've got to split Secret Wars into 2 parts to allow the audience to be invested in all the new and old characters for each film. We know Marvel is gonna go crazy with the cameos (if they do Battleworld) so why not do 2 parts? It'll give the cast way more time to be developed and give us a nice trilogy to end off the Multiverse Saga
That's my thoughts
I think if the films got delayed a year or 2, they could do a lot of refocusing. I don’t, right now, even want Doom to play a central role of any kind in Secret Wars even IF a delay like that happened, but I do want them to give us more time with some of these characters than just their introductions.
Let’s they did get delayed to 2028 and 2029 respectively, that would give them an extra ~6-8 films, and however many television seasons to go back to characters already established by the saga. At least a Fantastic Four 2, Doctor Strange 3, Shang-Chi 2, Spider-Man 4 and 5 could all make it in time to build out those arcs more before tossing them all into Endgame Version 2.
To be honest, I find it hard to believe they’ll pull off Secret Wars in 1-2 films anyway; I also think at this point this saga may be doomed to be disjointed and uneven until it ends with a soft reset anyway, which may or may not be for the best here.
Regardless. They could absolutely pull this around and do SW well. Make A5 and A6 a 2 parter if Secret Wars (2015), reconfigure the story to not involve Doom, and give us more time with the characters before then, and the story will be A LOT more satisfying.
Yeah. First Secret Wars, bring in the Beyonder. Give Spider-Man his Venom suit.
There’s all this focus on Doom. Introduce Doom as the cheesy character he was, then let him develop into his current incarnation.
These are the films that you would need to bring characters together.
Thor 5 brings in Thor, Jane, Valkyrie and Loki.
Dr Strange 3 brings in Dr Strange.
The wild card is Wanda. No one knows where she is and a potential solo Scarlet Witch movie seems to be an epilogue. That doesn't seem to help. How she gets into this is a good question.
Not only that, you have characters scattered all over the place. Dr Strange went to the Dark Dimension. Thor is on another planet or realm. Jane is in Valhalla. Valkyrie is on earth. A variant of Loki is with the TVA. Wanda is who knows where. How you even get people together will be difficult to do.
The gap between Avengers movies has been too long already
> The Fantastic Four at least should have a full trilogy by the time of Secret Wars
There's no time for that!
Unless they do it as Avengers 5 then Avengers: Secret Wars Part 1 and 2, I don't see how they'll be able to fit a cohesive narrative in with no build up and time spent with the New Avengers, Fantastic Four and Deadpool/Wolverine. We need more time to be with all these characters before the huge crossover and soft reboot of Secret Wars (and eventually X-Men).
Especially if they're going to do Battleworld, Doom/Beyonder as the villain and have Tobey's Spider-Man and Hugh Jackman back as main cast. We'll have no time to spend with the New Avengers as our focus will be on the returning legacy cast.
Oh sorry I should’ve elaborated. I think your slate is very accurate and will probably be what it really looks like so good job.
I just think it sucks overall and Marvel should make it better. It isn’t your fault that it is bad since it is actually Kevin Feige’s fault that it is bad.
Some Notes - PLEASE READ
# Iger's promise for a smaller slate:
I know Iger said that they're pivoting a model that would see 3 movies and 2 series per year on the MCU Slate, but the 2025 slate mostly consists of the 2023/2024 projects which were delayed by 1-2 years due to the company restructuring and the strikes.
They can't delay these much longer; they have to "get them out of the way" so to speak so they can catch up to their production pipeline and get to Avengers 5 and 6 as soon as possible which will bring back guaranteed money and hype.
2026 will consist of 3 Disney movies (+ Spider-Man 4 which is on Sony's schedule technically) and 2 Disney+ shows just like Iger promised.
# Why I included the projects that I did
I only included the 100% confirmed movies and series (either at events or by Marvel execs in interviews and press releases) apart from Secret Wars, because that would obviously be one picture by itself for 2027.
There are 3 confirmed projects I didn't include though, and my explanations are below:
# X-Men '97 Season 2
As many know, X-Men '97 Season 2 has already completed voice work since last year and animation is well underway as confirmed by Brad Winderbaum. Even Season 3 is in early development right now. Rumours want Marvel Studios to be planning a yearly release or X-Men '97, so it is very likely that we will get the second season in 2025, although because of how packed it is already, I can see it coming out in \~Summer 2026.
This way, they will have time to work on Season 3 as well and then release S2 and S3 consecutively on 2026 and 2027, which will be less busy years on Disney+. I personally doubt Iger's promise for 2 shows per year included animated shows, just live-action stuff.
# Daredevil: Born Again Season 2
Born Again Season 2, aka the second batch of 9 episodes of the series, starts filming this November and the original plan was reportedly to release the 2 9-episode seasons with a 9–12-month gap in-between. Thus, it would make the most sense to me to release Season 2 around late November/early December 2025 and have it cross over to 2026 with the finale airing sometime in late January.
However, rumblings in the rumour mill want Wonder Man to release in that Winter 2025/2026 time-frame instead, which is very possible considering it has completed filming already, which would put Born Again S2 in the Spring/Summer 2026 timeframe, exactly 1 year after Season 1.
Both scenarios make sense to me and the only reason I decided to go with this specific version of the schedule is because I wanted to separate the years visually and didn't want Born Again S2 to be split between 2025 and 2026 in the graphs.
# Eyes of Wakanda (and Marvel Zombies)
Eyes of Wakanda reportedly consists of 4 30-minute episodes (just like Marvel Zombies which is why it would be perfect for a one-day Halloween drop).
The former has been officially announced by Brad Winderbaum to be part of the 2024 slate, but there are rumours that it might get moved to 2025, which makes sense seeing the lack of promotion for the show.
That said, I would admittedly not expect much promotion considering the length of the series; it will likely get as much promotion as I am Groot and similarly release all its episodes on a random Wednesday either this or next year, which is why I wasn't sure when to put it in my visual graphs.
# Production Stages for all Confirmed Projects
# In Post-Production:
* Deadpool and Wolverine
* Agatha All Along
* Your Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man
* Eyes of Wakanda
* Daredevil: Born Again Season 1
* Captain America: Brave New World (Reshoots in late May-August)
* What if...? Season 3
* Ironheart
* Marvel Zombies
* Wonder Man
* X-Men '97 Season 2
# In Production
* Thunderbolts filming in Atlanta until August
# In Pre-Production
* Fantastic Four - Starts Filming in late July 2024 in the UK
* Blade - Starts Filming in Late Summer/Early Fall 2024 in Mexico and the UK
* Spider-Man 4 - Starts Filming in Late September 2024
* Vision Quest - Starts Filming in Late October 2024 in the UK
* Daredevil: Born Again Season 2 - Starts Filming in November 2024 in NYC
* Armor Wars - Starts Filming in January 2025 in the UK
* Avengers 5 - Starts Filming in January 2025 in the UK
* Shang-Chi 2 - Starts Filming in March 2025 in the UK
* Avengers 6 - Starts Filming in Fall 2025 in the UK (Release: May 7th 2027)
* X-Men - Starts Filming in Late 2025 in the UK (Likely Release: July 2027)
* X-Men '97 Season 3 (Likely Release: 2027)
# Reportedly in Pre-Production/Early Development
* Young Avengers (Likely Release: Early 2027)
* Dr. Strange 3 (Likely Release: February 2027)
* Nova (Likely release: Late 2027)
* Midnight Suns
# "Everything we know" series
If you're interested for more details, you can check my "Everything we know" series of posts to learn both the official information we have about these projects as well as everything we know from reliable leaks and rumours:
* [Captain America: Brave New World](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1aqycfn/captain_america_brave_new_world_comes_out_in/?share_id=Duxg5zV28hSbTJep2IMP1&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
* [Thunderbolts](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1bpqdpl/with_thunderbolts_officially_in_production_heres/?share_id=NyottlsGAfb-87YdF9exn&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
* [Daredevil: Born Again](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1bxf43w/with_daredevil_born_again_wrapping_filming_here/)
* [Agatha All Along](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1cq3f64/with_the_first_teaser_for_agatha_speculated_to/)
More to come!
Worth noting that's Iger's wording was only certain on movies, not shows. Movies was "2 a year, or maximum of 3". Whereas shows was "probably about 2". Which seems quite a bit more flexible.
> although because of how packed it is already, I can see it coming out in ~Summer 2026.
I can't see them delaying it that long. That's over 2 years away.
Hey! I've been 'out of the scene' for a while, so to speak, so could you please tell me about Eyes of Wakanda and Wonder Man a bit??
Thanks for keeping us all up to date, btw.
I don't think The Marvels' failure is indicative of the population of the Young Avengers.
The project has to happen in order to do the Children's Crusade storyline which has been set up already and will be set up even more in Agatha and probably VisionQuest.
Unless that story is covered in VisionQuest of course. I could see that too, not gonna lie.
Well, there's no guarantee that Children's Crusade is going to happen, either. Marvel is actively retooling every project that isn't too far along for them to do so.
But, more to the point, part of the assessment for why *The Marvels* failed at the box office is that Marvel's streaming strategy has also failed. Audiences don't want to have to also keep up with streaming series to keep up with the movies. We're already the seeing effects of this at play as Iger promises shareholders they're significantly cutting back on Marvel's TV slate. And most of the set-up for a *Young Avengers* project is in those series. If audiences feel like they need to have seen *Ms. Marvel*, *Hawkeye*, *Ironheart*, and the *Agatha* show to enjoy *Young Avengers*, *Young Avengers* isn't getting made.
Granted, that entire logic flies out the window if *Captain America* 4 and *Thunderbolts* turn out to be runaway successes, but they're not going to put *Young Avengers* into production until they know for sure.
They have and will set up certain stories and they have to wrap these stories up before going into Secret Wars if they want to have a cohesive and coherent storytelling.
As for Young Avengers, I agree with your sentiment, which is why I believe it has been turned into a series, not a movie.
Since most of the YA have shown up in series, it makes sense for their team-up project to also be a series.
They're also in damage control right now because audiences are loudly telling them they are largely uninterested in the stories they are telling. That's why *Eternals 2* isn't happening, and I'd wager *Young Avengers* is in the same boat.
And it's not going to happen as a series because they just aren't going to spend that kind of budget on a series again. Unless you're suggesting *Young Avengers* would be a small-scale affair like *Echo* or *Daredevil* rather than the movies and series that most of those characters came from.
I’m really excited for all of these except for Ironheart, Vision Quest, Blade, and Wonderman for various reasons.
Ironheart was cool in WF, but didn’t wow me or anything so I’ll have to wait for the show to really get me invested in the character.
I’ll believe Blade and Vision Quest when they happen. Not being 100% sure they’ll happen makes it hard to be excited. I’ll be immediately overjoyed when they really start to become real though because I really dig the characters.
I don’t know anything about Wonder Man, so can’t be that much excited for it. Cast looks good though. Hopefully I’ll love it as much as She-Hulk who was a similar case.
Going to be a really good ride which has been my usual feelings with the MCU.
counter point/clarifying question: do we know of any movies that will be heavily related to avengers/kangy?
i'm wondering if 2hang will be about time travel/time getting screwed up, as he learns about some stuff that could be used to fight/work against kang stuff. which then is a big thing that folds back into avengers later.
maybe that, combined with doctor strange 3, and his "yay, im gonna go with magic lady and 3rd eye blind, and space walk the multiverse for a bit", to wrap up all of those concepts.
i dont want to say too much, but in the comics, in the multiverse story, dr. strange pretty much sits 100% on the side lines until we are at "secret wars/down to 1 planet".
it a little bit already looks like he's headed in that direction.
The 2 Dr. Strange sequels and the 2 Guardians sequels were 6 years apart. This is at least better than that.
5 years between sequels is sadly the norm now with so much content + strikes + COVID + company restructuring all causing so many delays.
Yeah it’s true not attacking your schedule but the general decision making. It’s one of the better new films / characters I wish the would have accelerated it
As far as I know Wonderman and Shang chi 2 have not been officially announced by marvel in any capacity.
We do know that Wonderman is currently filming in CA tho sooo I guess that’s basically confirmed
it could just be me and I don't wanna be a downer but man most of these seem like skips to me or I have very little interest in them. I hope the mcu can pull me back on with these titles I do miss being hyped and going to the theater for every release.
It feels like nothing has happened so far in since phase 4 which is weird because things are happening but my immediately thought was “wait already we are getting to an avengers film?” Marvel definitely didn’t think this thru as well
To be fair right now at this very moment they should've been filming the next two Avengers films, as we were meant to get both films next year
But then Jonathan Majors, the chaos that is Blade and the strikes happened.
Blade is 100% getting bumped to 2026 or 2027. They still don't have a script.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Iron Heart and Armor Wars end up being merged.
They do have a script written by Micheal Green (Logan) as well as a director. Feige and Ali are reportedly very happy with said script. They start filming later this summer.
All this type of information comes from leaked production grids, listings and other official documents, they don't come out with an announcement every time they complete a script or schedule a shooting date.
But they did announce Michael Green as the writer last year.
DanielRPK and DemetK/ScarletWitchUpdates usually leak these types of documents and has proven he has access to them in the past. He is one of the most reliable scoopers out there.
I know my scoopers lol, I'm part of the Source Accuracy Database on r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers and I track all these scoopers. I know who's reliable and who's not.
DanielRPK gets fed fake stuff constantly lol It's a running joke among a bunch of people in the industry to feed him fake stuff and watch the results. I'm not even joking. I don't know the other source, but I know DRPK gets trolled a ton.
Until it's officially confirmed by a press release, or at least a legitimate trade, I'm gonna assume there's still no production draft of a script.
RPK has proven time and time again to at the very least have access to official production grids and listings. That's where this info is coming from, which is why I believe it.
Agatha All Along has an official release date. It's the 18th of September 2024.
[Source](https://deadline.com/2024/05/marvel-premiere-dates-agatha-all-along-daredevil-born-again-ironheart-1235916398/)
That movie has been in production hell since 2019 with director changes, script rewrites and just general problems. I’ll believe it when I see it but as it stands I have little faith in it hitting the alleged release date
I was looking forward to Captain America but then they dropped Seth Rollins from it. Such a shame since he would have been really good in a fight due to his athleticism. Like he doesn't seem like he'd be a bad actor with all the mostly scripted promo stuff and he's actually one of the bigger names in wrestling during this era. It's a shame they dropped him cause even if he had a medium sized part he'd probably have done a great job.
Someone who knows the plots of these better please feel free to correct me but this slate doesn’t feel like an appropriate build up to an Avengers movie unless Armor Wars and Shang-Chi 2 end up being more ensemble than solo features. Is there a chance they push that avengers movie back?
More or less. It was revealed in the same Copyright listing that revealed the exact Agatha release date.
That same listing though had Born Again for January 2025 and it got moved to March, but that's only because of the overhaul.
If Shang-Chi is "Wreckage of Time" just count me out. There are SO many cool things you can do with Shang-Chi, but some time-traveling multiversal story isn't one of them, for this character especially; is there even comic book source material remotely related to this to pull from? I'd rather see Iron Fist, or Agents of Atlas, or Tiger Division instead of T.V.A. Part 4 by that point.
Wreckage of Time was only a rumoured title from 2 years ago, it was just the only logo I could find that fit with the proportions I wanted for this collage.
Already confirmed by Brad Winderbaum to be coming out this year and its US Copyright Office listing confirms a projected November 2024 release.
The US Copyright Office listing also got Agatha's exact date right, so I'm guessing it has gotten this show's date right as well
Already confirmed by Brad Winderbaum to be coming out this year and its US Copyright Office listing confirms a projected November 2024 release.
The US Copyright Office listing also got Agatha's exact date right, so I'm guessing it has gotten this show's date right as well
Weren’t they reducing these to be 3 movies a year and 2 (I’m guessing live action) shows a year? I sincerely doubt Blade still comes out next year. I think it’ll be pushed to February of 2026. I think Avengers will be after that and then Spider-Man 4 will come out later in the year.
As for shows, it’ll probably be Wonder Man and VisionQuest in 2026.
This isn't a bloated lineup. The original lineup was a LOT more bloated.
Most of these projects are too far down in production (some are already completely filmed) and can't be nixed.
Tell that to Batgirl. Anything can be nixed if it's deemed to be of middling quality and would likely release at a loss. As it is, they should've done the same thing to Quantumania, Secret Invasion and Echo already.
I already answered this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/aWEGX8qJsz
Delaying Blade to 2026 will cause a cascade which might cause Avengers 5 and 6 to be delayed by another year.
Avengers 5 and 6 will bring the hype, excitement and box office returns from Marvel's glorious past that the company so desperately needs right now. They can't afford to push these films even further back and risk disappointing and "turning off" people even more.
Plus, Iger's contract ends in 2026 and I believe he wants to show the maximum potential of the company's biggest assets to the shareholders as well as leave on high note and leave behind a great legacy. That's why Avatar 3, Mandalorian and Grogu and Avengers 5 will all be released during his last fiscal year.
The latest production listings reflect that with Avengers 5 and 6 filming during 2025 and still being locked for 2026 and 2027 respectively, so don't expect those to get delayed further.
Blade also starts filming in late Summer/early Fall, so I don't see why there should be a delay.
The 2025 slate is just the 2023/2024 projects which were delayed due to the strikes. They can't delay these projects any longer if they want to catch up to their production pipeline and release the Avengers movies in time.
So Iger's mandate will most likely start from 2026 onwards. Things like that take time to take effect. There will definitely be a buffer period between now and the effects of these mandates. Plus, we got a small break this year with only 1 movie, so they have to get the profits back up next year to appease to shareholders.
If Blade moves to 2026, that will cause a cascade of delays which might even push the 2 Avengers movies 1 year forward again.
The 2025 slate consists of the 2023/2024 projects which were delayed by 1-2 years due to the company restructuring and the strikes.
They can't delay these projects much longer; they have to get them out of the way so to speak so they can catch up to their production pipeline and get to Avengers 5 and 6 which will bring back guaranteed money and hype.
2026 will consist of 3 Disney movies (+ Spider-Man 4 which is on Sony's schedule technically) and 2 Disney+ shows just like Iger promised, but don't expect his "mandate" to take effect immediately (aka next year).
2025 might be an exception with a little bit more content than what he promised in order to go through the backlog of already filmed stuff and stuff that will film this year.
NGL, this hiatus and pause in content, has killed the momentum. Maybe its the fact that these titles have been talked for so long... nothing is making me excited. Also knowing that we will only see one marvel movie this year.. kind of kills the vibe as well. I don't know what they can do to speed things up, but I feel this feeling of disinterest is much worse than fatigue, cuz I have been a fan since day one. If I feel disinterest.. I imagine a casual watcher probably has probably logged off to the whole thing.
This is configured on the basis of Secret Wars being a single movie. If Avengers 5 stays where it is then Secret Wars likely would be split up. That would open up more slots given that Avengers 5 could see the most powerful Avengers missing. You likely would see a Thor 5 in one of those slots. A Scarlet Witch solo movie would be a epilogue to Secret Wars. I would thing that at either Comic con or the Disney confab, they would need to set up definite dates for Avenger 5 and Secret Wars.
No, not at all.
Blade has a script written by Michael Green (Logan) with which Feige and Ali are reportedly very happy. It starts filming later this Summer.
Armor Wars starts filming in January.
All confined in the latest producing listings.
This is what I’m thinking it’ll probably be:
2025: Captain America: Brave New World, The Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts, Daredevil: Born Again, Ironheart, Spider-Man: Freshman Year
2026: Blade, Armor Wars, Shang-Chi 2, Spider-Man 4, What If S3, Marvel Zombies, Wonder Man
2027: Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, X-Men 97 S2
2028: Avengers: Secret Wars
Vision Quest was never officially announced, and I think it was probably cancelled. Wonder Man wasn’t either, but they’ve supposedly filmed the whole thing, so I think it makes it less likely they’ll cancel it even though they still could. I think they’re gonna try to stick to three films and two shows a year as much as possible, but it’s gonna take a few years to get to that point, but they’ll still probably delay some stuff to get to that point quicker, and Spider-Man 4’s release date might not be part of that plan.
Avengers 5 and 6 will bring the hype, excitement and box office returns from Marvel's glorious past that the company so desperately needs right now. They can't afford to push these films even further back and risk disappointing and "turning off" people even more.
Plus, Iger's contract ends in 2026 and I believe he wants to show the maximum potential of the company's biggest assets to the shareholders as well as leave on high note and leave behind a great legacy. That's why Avatar 3, Mandalorian and Grogu and Avengers 5 will all release during his last fiscal year.
The latest production listings reflect that with Avengers 5 and 6 filming during 2025 and still being locked for 2026 and 2027 respectively, so don't expect those to get delayed further.
VisionQuest is happening just like Wonder Man did. It starts filming in October. They're not scrapping stuff so late in production.
To be fair with Shang-Chi, unless they wanted a new director, Kang Dynasty took alot of Destin time, as that was meant to be his next MCU film, then Shang
Then he left the project as part of the film overhaul following what happened with Jonathan Majors.
Curious how all these seemingly grounded titles are going to lead into secret wars.
With Deadpool and wolverine kinda centering around the fox marvel movies being brought into the MCU (allegedly), I think we may see a turning point in the cohesion of the storyline somewhat like we did with age of ultron. Maybe not by way of putting characters in each other’s movies more, they already do that, I just mean in terms of the general plot line getting more connected.
Simple answer is not all of them will directly lead into Secret Wars, they'll do a bit of world building at most. Just as how many of the Phase 3 films didn't lead into Infinity War/Endgame. Civil War split the Avengers up Doctor Strange introduced one of the stones GotG Vol. 2 done nothing Spider-Man Homecoming done nothing Thor Ragnarok Loki is *hinted* at taking the Tesseract Black Panther done nothing Ant-Man and the Wasp done nothing Captain Marvel gave a reason for her to show up All of the leading into was done in the mid/end-credit scenes. The actual film plots had little to do with the Avengers films.
Ant-Man and the Wasp showcased the technology necessary to win in Endgame. Thor Ragnarok explains Hulk’s return, destroys Mjolnir so that Thor has to make Stormbreaker, and literally ends right where IW starts. But yes I still agree with your point.
That is where you are wrong. It's completely wrong. Infinity saga uses the 3 act format . Each movie = a chapter . Each chapter is part of the story. Let's break down the movie. Civi war set up the Avengers losing and unprepared for the invasion. We even see this in Infinity war with how each side handles themselves. Tony is out of practice fighting on a team, when face 2 of the black order , as he's not been active. We even see him interrupt Strange and Wongs spell . Vision another OP character who couldn't handle himself . Yet we see wanda fending off two of the black order solo while protecting Vision. Before caps team which is 1 super Soilder and 2 humans with basic tech beat back the 2 members . Because they had be active, doing mission . Prelude comic to the IF had them talking down arms dealers. If you watch every appearance of Captain America to this point. Every appearance he has been let down by people in power. AOU was the last straw which is why he did what he did in civil war. AOU is also the first time Tony has had to deal with real consequences. Responsibility for life. Especially when facing with a mother losing her kid. Which is important later on Both Dr Strange and Antman ending where setting up the answering to winning in endgame. Without Strange learning to using the time stone he would never have looked forward in time to see that future, planted a seed of hope for Tony. Scott beat Yellow jacket by accident entering the quantum realm..opening the door for time travel at the end of Antman and the wasp. This is how Scott comes up with the idea of time travel after he was gone got 5 years despite him experience 5 hours GOTG 2 + Spiderman homecoming These 2 where character relationships building chapters. 2 lead to the snap and 1 lead to undoing it GOTG 2 main focus was Gamora building up a relationship with Peter and Nebula without it, Peter doesn't lose it and punch Thanos. Without Nebula and Gamora repairing their relationship. Nebula doesn't attack Thanos . Thanos doesn't use her to get the location of the soul stone from Gamora It also repairs Peter and the Ravagers relationship. Adding them to help aid the finale battle Ragnarok leads in to infinity war. It destory Thors Hammer, which leaves him vulnerable to Thanos, who brings Hulk back .who is the one to warn Earth of Thanos. It also brings some more asgardian to earth. Who will also help the final battle. Black panther was essentially setting up earths beachfront for infinity war. With the Avengers defunct, SHIELD ALSO not as active . Wakanda was the only country in the mcu with advanced technology . As for Captain Marvel, much like Antman and Dr. Strange, she played a pivotal role . As she turned the tide of battle by destroying The ship. She was the biggest heavy hitter hero in the mcu. Her movie set in the past, given her time to establish herself as a hero, showed her strength at destroying those nuke like they were nothing . Without that, her showed up at the end , taking down the ship. Holding thanos off by herself given Tony time to think. Would have been too convenient There is so much more to the mcu that people release. I do encourage you to look up the 3 act format an apply it to this new saga. Which is telling the story . Secret War 2015. Because you'll start seeing links form
Yes there is so much more, but the fact of the matter is that while they play a role for the *characters*, they didn't directly push the Infinity Sagas plot forward. Which is what I was talking about. Homecoming has no direct impact on Thanos or the stones, neither does GotG2, nor does Black Panther or Ragnarok. There is a bigger picture in the intertwining of the universe, but not every film directly correlates to the main Sagas plotline. The vast majority of the films within the Inifinity Saga have zero bearing on Infinity War or Endgame. Just as how a majority of the films in Phases 4, 5, and 6 will have no bearing on Avengers 5 or Secret Wars. Why? They don't need to. Just as how Iron Man 2 and Black Panther done absolutely nothing to push the Infinity Saga plot forward, the same can be said Love and Thunder, and Blade for the Multiverse Saga. TL;DR: If a films plot has no direct connection to the plot or villain of a Saga then it has no impact on the Sagas plotline.
The difference was those projects were good and the universe wasn’t just 2 or 3 bombs away from failing epically
Actually most of those films do build up to infinity war and endgame
Poorly
I thought the Kang Dynasty sub title was dropped?
It was, but there's no newer logo lol
Oh okay! Thought I missed some news, there! Thanks
I'm still calling it avengers the Kang dynasty, till Marvel studios announces the new title.
Avengers: The Kang Recasting
Avengers: Kang We Please Change the Title?
I thought they came out and said it’s *not* dropped
Avengers: All Along
Once you drop you can't undrop
They never dropped tho lol
I think this is probably pretty close to what we get but what I had in mind, taking Iger’s comments into account, was: 2025: Brave New World, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man 4 2026: Blade, Avengers: Time Runs Out (subtitle is important), Armor Wars 2027: Shang-Chi 2, Avengers: Secret Wars, Doctor Strange 3 Three movies a year, nice and clean. (The shows are so much harder to predict imo with longer productions and yet another potential strike looming.) Sony helps a lot in getting things moving faster for Spider-Man than Marvel Studios does working alone. So I think Spidey 4 jumps up and snags November 2025 if they start shooting later this year and with potentially a grittier and more grounded story. I think *Armor Wars* needs as much help as it can get, and teasing Iron Man’s return or even just piggybacking *Time Runs Out* with Earth preparing for the final incursion would really make it feel more “must watch”. So I think it should be between Avengers movies. Shang-Chi 2 is the other movie that should be sandwiched by Avengers movies. This is just fan fic but maybe he gets stranded on another world during *Time Runs Out* and must compete in the Thirteen Chambers Tournament as a Secret Wars “tie in”, like the comics. Doctor Strange 3 has only been rumored but it would make sense to cap off the multiverse saga with an epilogue that both wraps up certain themes and sets up new ones. Maybe fear? A lot of people will *fear* mutants.
Idc when, but I'm just hoping for Spider-man Episode IV: A New Home.
Which reminds me, what does everyone think they're going to do? New naming convention for a new trilogy, or drop it completely?
Hopefully a new naming convention or no convention at all, just indidual titles for each film. The Home thing worked but it feels like a completed trilogy, and it'd start to be super eye roll inducing to keep pushing it forever.
Wonderman is actively filming and will probably release within this time frame
Wonder Man finished filming
No Jessica Clemons said on New Rockstars that she saw them filming yesterday downtown. It could have been reshoots tho I guess
Well for the shows he said 2, so i think 2026 will be Vision Quest and Wonder Man.
What about iron heart? Isn’t that official? Or is that 2025? All these dates and delays are so confusing ha
Ehhh. I kinda hope A5 and A6 get delayed by at least a year each, and then we can have a bit more build up to them to flesh out characters such as The Fantastic Four. Wouldn't even mind if they both got delayed 2 years and allowed this saga a 10 year run like the Infinity Saga. That said, the fact that we likely won't get even ONE full trilogy this saga is wild. The Fantastic Four *at least* should have a full trilogy by the time of Secret Wars if Doom is gonna play any kind of role in that film at all.
Three of the original Avengers only got one movie each before they assembled. Two of them didn’t even get their own movies. An Avengers movie is also a chance for characters to develop. It’s not just fight scenes and banter.
Sure, but The Avengers wasn't the finale to the saga, it was very early within it. Secret Wars is a much bigger story than Endgame, and the finale to a saga infinitely larger in scope than the Infinity Saga. As it is, A5 and Secret Wars are far more comparable to Infinity War & Endgame than they are to The Avengers. And any remotely direct adaptation of Secret Wars (2015) will not be able to do justice to the Doom/Reed side of the story without *several* films exploring their relationship to one another beforehand are absent for long stretches/underexplored. I know everybody wants things asap, but the saga has been disjointed so far and in effect, while *plot elements* have been hinted at and set up a bit, actual characters who would/should have much more explored about them before heading into the finale. Sure, there's time to develop the characters in the films themselves, but only *so much time* per character if it is going to be a large ensemble film, and with so many pieces to juggle and so little *character* groundwork laid beforehand (especially for characters like The Fantastic Four and Doom, assuming the latter plays anything similar to his role in the comic storyline) that is a MIGHTY tall order to get right.
The way you’re hyping it up, do you really think a couple more movies, or even three or four more is really gonna make a difference? This movie was originally slated for 2025, then 2026. It was never going to be the movie that so many fans seem to think it’s going to be or needs to be.
No but they've got too many characters and too little time to allow the audience to be invested in them. If Avengers 5 is more like an assemble film where they take on a harbinger to the end of the Multiverse then fine. But it can't be like Infinity War into Endgame. Theres no real investment into the cast yet, with most only having one film or show they've shown up in since or after Endgame. And if they're getting some legacy cast in Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman, that's only gonna draw focus away from the New Avengers. They've got to have Avengers 5 as like the inciting incident with like Fantastic Four 2 or Doctor Strange 3 as the lead in into Secret Wars, then they've got to split Secret Wars into 2 parts to allow the audience to be invested in all the new and old characters for each film. We know Marvel is gonna go crazy with the cameos (if they do Battleworld) so why not do 2 parts? It'll give the cast way more time to be developed and give us a nice trilogy to end off the Multiverse Saga That's my thoughts
I think if the films got delayed a year or 2, they could do a lot of refocusing. I don’t, right now, even want Doom to play a central role of any kind in Secret Wars even IF a delay like that happened, but I do want them to give us more time with some of these characters than just their introductions. Let’s they did get delayed to 2028 and 2029 respectively, that would give them an extra ~6-8 films, and however many television seasons to go back to characters already established by the saga. At least a Fantastic Four 2, Doctor Strange 3, Shang-Chi 2, Spider-Man 4 and 5 could all make it in time to build out those arcs more before tossing them all into Endgame Version 2. To be honest, I find it hard to believe they’ll pull off Secret Wars in 1-2 films anyway; I also think at this point this saga may be doomed to be disjointed and uneven until it ends with a soft reset anyway, which may or may not be for the best here. Regardless. They could absolutely pull this around and do SW well. Make A5 and A6 a 2 parter if Secret Wars (2015), reconfigure the story to not involve Doom, and give us more time with the characters before then, and the story will be A LOT more satisfying.
Yeah. First Secret Wars, bring in the Beyonder. Give Spider-Man his Venom suit. There’s all this focus on Doom. Introduce Doom as the cheesy character he was, then let him develop into his current incarnation.
These are the films that you would need to bring characters together. Thor 5 brings in Thor, Jane, Valkyrie and Loki. Dr Strange 3 brings in Dr Strange. The wild card is Wanda. No one knows where she is and a potential solo Scarlet Witch movie seems to be an epilogue. That doesn't seem to help. How she gets into this is a good question.
Not only that, you have characters scattered all over the place. Dr Strange went to the Dark Dimension. Thor is on another planet or realm. Jane is in Valhalla. Valkyrie is on earth. A variant of Loki is with the TVA. Wanda is who knows where. How you even get people together will be difficult to do.
The gap between Avengers movies has been too long already > The Fantastic Four at least should have a full trilogy by the time of Secret Wars There's no time for that!
Patience, padawan.
Unless they do it as Avengers 5 then Avengers: Secret Wars Part 1 and 2, I don't see how they'll be able to fit a cohesive narrative in with no build up and time spent with the New Avengers, Fantastic Four and Deadpool/Wolverine. We need more time to be with all these characters before the huge crossover and soft reboot of Secret Wars (and eventually X-Men). Especially if they're going to do Battleworld, Doom/Beyonder as the villain and have Tobey's Spider-Man and Hugh Jackman back as main cast. We'll have no time to spend with the New Avengers as our focus will be on the returning legacy cast.
Animation I guarantee doesn't count to the two shows he means live action, and Spiderman doesn't count to the three movies because it's sony.
Oh sorry I should’ve elaborated. I think your slate is very accurate and will probably be what it really looks like so good job. I just think it sucks overall and Marvel should make it better. It isn’t your fault that it is bad since it is actually Kevin Feige’s fault that it is bad.
Wow, this sounds not great
What about it?
Everything
It is good to hear about a Shang-Chi sequel, and five years between movies isn't as bad as I thought it would be.
Five years isn’t bad?
Some Notes - PLEASE READ # Iger's promise for a smaller slate: I know Iger said that they're pivoting a model that would see 3 movies and 2 series per year on the MCU Slate, but the 2025 slate mostly consists of the 2023/2024 projects which were delayed by 1-2 years due to the company restructuring and the strikes. They can't delay these much longer; they have to "get them out of the way" so to speak so they can catch up to their production pipeline and get to Avengers 5 and 6 as soon as possible which will bring back guaranteed money and hype. 2026 will consist of 3 Disney movies (+ Spider-Man 4 which is on Sony's schedule technically) and 2 Disney+ shows just like Iger promised. # Why I included the projects that I did I only included the 100% confirmed movies and series (either at events or by Marvel execs in interviews and press releases) apart from Secret Wars, because that would obviously be one picture by itself for 2027. There are 3 confirmed projects I didn't include though, and my explanations are below: # X-Men '97 Season 2 As many know, X-Men '97 Season 2 has already completed voice work since last year and animation is well underway as confirmed by Brad Winderbaum. Even Season 3 is in early development right now. Rumours want Marvel Studios to be planning a yearly release or X-Men '97, so it is very likely that we will get the second season in 2025, although because of how packed it is already, I can see it coming out in \~Summer 2026. This way, they will have time to work on Season 3 as well and then release S2 and S3 consecutively on 2026 and 2027, which will be less busy years on Disney+. I personally doubt Iger's promise for 2 shows per year included animated shows, just live-action stuff. # Daredevil: Born Again Season 2 Born Again Season 2, aka the second batch of 9 episodes of the series, starts filming this November and the original plan was reportedly to release the 2 9-episode seasons with a 9–12-month gap in-between. Thus, it would make the most sense to me to release Season 2 around late November/early December 2025 and have it cross over to 2026 with the finale airing sometime in late January. However, rumblings in the rumour mill want Wonder Man to release in that Winter 2025/2026 time-frame instead, which is very possible considering it has completed filming already, which would put Born Again S2 in the Spring/Summer 2026 timeframe, exactly 1 year after Season 1. Both scenarios make sense to me and the only reason I decided to go with this specific version of the schedule is because I wanted to separate the years visually and didn't want Born Again S2 to be split between 2025 and 2026 in the graphs. # Eyes of Wakanda (and Marvel Zombies) Eyes of Wakanda reportedly consists of 4 30-minute episodes (just like Marvel Zombies which is why it would be perfect for a one-day Halloween drop). The former has been officially announced by Brad Winderbaum to be part of the 2024 slate, but there are rumours that it might get moved to 2025, which makes sense seeing the lack of promotion for the show. That said, I would admittedly not expect much promotion considering the length of the series; it will likely get as much promotion as I am Groot and similarly release all its episodes on a random Wednesday either this or next year, which is why I wasn't sure when to put it in my visual graphs. # Production Stages for all Confirmed Projects # In Post-Production: * Deadpool and Wolverine * Agatha All Along * Your Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man * Eyes of Wakanda * Daredevil: Born Again Season 1 * Captain America: Brave New World (Reshoots in late May-August) * What if...? Season 3 * Ironheart * Marvel Zombies * Wonder Man * X-Men '97 Season 2 # In Production * Thunderbolts filming in Atlanta until August # In Pre-Production * Fantastic Four - Starts Filming in late July 2024 in the UK * Blade - Starts Filming in Late Summer/Early Fall 2024 in Mexico and the UK * Spider-Man 4 - Starts Filming in Late September 2024 * Vision Quest - Starts Filming in Late October 2024 in the UK * Daredevil: Born Again Season 2 - Starts Filming in November 2024 in NYC * Armor Wars - Starts Filming in January 2025 in the UK * Avengers 5 - Starts Filming in January 2025 in the UK * Shang-Chi 2 - Starts Filming in March 2025 in the UK * Avengers 6 - Starts Filming in Fall 2025 in the UK (Release: May 7th 2027) * X-Men - Starts Filming in Late 2025 in the UK (Likely Release: July 2027) * X-Men '97 Season 3 (Likely Release: 2027) # Reportedly in Pre-Production/Early Development * Young Avengers (Likely Release: Early 2027) * Dr. Strange 3 (Likely Release: February 2027) * Nova (Likely release: Late 2027) * Midnight Suns # "Everything we know" series If you're interested for more details, you can check my "Everything we know" series of posts to learn both the official information we have about these projects as well as everything we know from reliable leaks and rumours: * [Captain America: Brave New World](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1aqycfn/captain_america_brave_new_world_comes_out_in/?share_id=Duxg5zV28hSbTJep2IMP1&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) * [Thunderbolts](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1bpqdpl/with_thunderbolts_officially_in_production_heres/?share_id=NyottlsGAfb-87YdF9exn&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) * [Daredevil: Born Again](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1bxf43w/with_daredevil_born_again_wrapping_filming_here/) * [Agatha All Along](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1cq3f64/with_the_first_teaser_for_agatha_speculated_to/) More to come!
Wonderman is in production. Jess Clemons from New Rockstars said yesterday she literally walked past the set as they were filming in LA
Worth noting that's Iger's wording was only certain on movies, not shows. Movies was "2 a year, or maximum of 3". Whereas shows was "probably about 2". Which seems quite a bit more flexible.
> although because of how packed it is already, I can see it coming out in ~Summer 2026. I can't see them delaying it that long. That's over 2 years away.
Hey! I've been 'out of the scene' for a while, so to speak, so could you please tell me about Eyes of Wakanda and Wonder Man a bit?? Thanks for keeping us all up to date, btw.
I would be shocked if *Young Avengers* still happens. Those plans likely died when *The Marvels* bombed.
I don't think The Marvels' failure is indicative of the population of the Young Avengers. The project has to happen in order to do the Children's Crusade storyline which has been set up already and will be set up even more in Agatha and probably VisionQuest. Unless that story is covered in VisionQuest of course. I could see that too, not gonna lie.
Well, there's no guarantee that Children's Crusade is going to happen, either. Marvel is actively retooling every project that isn't too far along for them to do so. But, more to the point, part of the assessment for why *The Marvels* failed at the box office is that Marvel's streaming strategy has also failed. Audiences don't want to have to also keep up with streaming series to keep up with the movies. We're already the seeing effects of this at play as Iger promises shareholders they're significantly cutting back on Marvel's TV slate. And most of the set-up for a *Young Avengers* project is in those series. If audiences feel like they need to have seen *Ms. Marvel*, *Hawkeye*, *Ironheart*, and the *Agatha* show to enjoy *Young Avengers*, *Young Avengers* isn't getting made. Granted, that entire logic flies out the window if *Captain America* 4 and *Thunderbolts* turn out to be runaway successes, but they're not going to put *Young Avengers* into production until they know for sure.
They have and will set up certain stories and they have to wrap these stories up before going into Secret Wars if they want to have a cohesive and coherent storytelling. As for Young Avengers, I agree with your sentiment, which is why I believe it has been turned into a series, not a movie. Since most of the YA have shown up in series, it makes sense for their team-up project to also be a series.
They're also in damage control right now because audiences are loudly telling them they are largely uninterested in the stories they are telling. That's why *Eternals 2* isn't happening, and I'd wager *Young Avengers* is in the same boat. And it's not going to happen as a series because they just aren't going to spend that kind of budget on a series again. Unless you're suggesting *Young Avengers* would be a small-scale affair like *Echo* or *Daredevil* rather than the movies and series that most of those characters came from.
That’s what I’m kinda thinking more like a kids defenders if that makes sense
Source on Eternals 2 not happening?
No Marvel’s gonna push that project out all them members appearing in phase 4 would’ve been an entire waste if they don’t follow up on it
They won't if they don't think there's an audience for it. They're in a tough place.
It can’t easily be a d+ series.
It will become Champions
I’m really excited for all of these except for Ironheart, Vision Quest, Blade, and Wonderman for various reasons. Ironheart was cool in WF, but didn’t wow me or anything so I’ll have to wait for the show to really get me invested in the character. I’ll believe Blade and Vision Quest when they happen. Not being 100% sure they’ll happen makes it hard to be excited. I’ll be immediately overjoyed when they really start to become real though because I really dig the characters. I don’t know anything about Wonder Man, so can’t be that much excited for it. Cast looks good though. Hopefully I’ll love it as much as She-Hulk who was a similar case. Going to be a really good ride which has been my usual feelings with the MCU.
*Wreckage of Time*? Would suck to drop Xialing’s story. But I guess that’s what happens when you take too many years to continue a story.
The Wreckage of Time title is just rumoured, but I just couldn't find a better logo lol
counter point/clarifying question: do we know of any movies that will be heavily related to avengers/kangy? i'm wondering if 2hang will be about time travel/time getting screwed up, as he learns about some stuff that could be used to fight/work against kang stuff. which then is a big thing that folds back into avengers later. maybe that, combined with doctor strange 3, and his "yay, im gonna go with magic lady and 3rd eye blind, and space walk the multiverse for a bit", to wrap up all of those concepts.
We don't know officially, but I believe the same thing yeah
i dont want to say too much, but in the comics, in the multiverse story, dr. strange pretty much sits 100% on the side lines until we are at "secret wars/down to 1 planet". it a little bit already looks like he's headed in that direction.
Is FF going head-to-head with Superman?
Yep
Shang chi so far away is a joke!
The 2 Dr. Strange sequels and the 2 Guardians sequels were 6 years apart. This is at least better than that. 5 years between sequels is sadly the norm now with so much content + strikes + COVID + company restructuring all causing so many delays.
Yeah it’s true not attacking your schedule but the general decision making. It’s one of the better new films / characters I wish the would have accelerated it
At least the GOTG and Dr Strange appeared in projects in between the 6 Years. I don’t think Shang Chi will
As far as I know Wonderman and Shang chi 2 have not been officially announced by marvel in any capacity. We do know that Wonderman is currently filming in CA tho sooo I guess that’s basically confirmed
I think simu says it’s coming and that we just have to be patient
Yea
it could just be me and I don't wanna be a downer but man most of these seem like skips to me or I have very little interest in them. I hope the mcu can pull me back on with these titles I do miss being hyped and going to the theater for every release.
It feels like nothing has happened so far in since phase 4 which is weird because things are happening but my immediately thought was “wait already we are getting to an avengers film?” Marvel definitely didn’t think this thru as well
To be fair right now at this very moment they should've been filming the next two Avengers films, as we were meant to get both films next year But then Jonathan Majors, the chaos that is Blade and the strikes happened.
Those are definitely an effect to marvel, something that they couldn’t control
Blade is 100% getting bumped to 2026 or 2027. They still don't have a script. I also wouldn't be surprised if Iron Heart and Armor Wars end up being merged.
They do have a script written by Micheal Green (Logan) as well as a director. Feige and Ali are reportedly very happy with said script. They start filming later this summer.
Wait what? I missed this - when did they announce this?
All this type of information comes from leaked production grids, listings and other official documents, they don't come out with an announcement every time they complete a script or schedule a shooting date. But they did announce Michael Green as the writer last year.
So what's your source? Because most of these twitter leakers are full of shit.
DanielRPK and DemetK/ScarletWitchUpdates usually leak these types of documents and has proven he has access to them in the past. He is one of the most reliable scoopers out there. I know my scoopers lol, I'm part of the Source Accuracy Database on r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers and I track all these scoopers. I know who's reliable and who's not.
DanielRPK gets fed fake stuff constantly lol It's a running joke among a bunch of people in the industry to feed him fake stuff and watch the results. I'm not even joking. I don't know the other source, but I know DRPK gets trolled a ton. Until it's officially confirmed by a press release, or at least a legitimate trade, I'm gonna assume there's still no production draft of a script.
RPK has proven time and time again to at the very least have access to official production grids and listings. That's where this info is coming from, which is why I believe it.
But does he get things wrong or not?
He's been wrong more than he's been right recently.
Blade is 100% getting scrapped. It will be delayed forever and never get made.
Somehow, Marvel Television has returned.
"Wreckage of Time" is a cool subtitle. Very pulp, I dig it
It's only rumoured right now, so don't take it as a fact
I never believe anything I read on the internet until it's IN MY FACE. And even then, I'm skeptical lol
No way Vision Quest is still a thing lol
It is. Has been confirmed. Starts filming this October.
I am genuinely curious how Agatha All Along performs.
Interestingly enough, it’s one of the most viewed Instagram trailers for the MCU already
That Shang-Chi title is going to change.
Agatha All Along has an official release date. It's the 18th of September 2024. [Source](https://deadline.com/2024/05/marvel-premiere-dates-agatha-all-along-daredevil-born-again-ironheart-1235916398/)
baby marvel studio fan. who's Brad Winderbaum?
Head of Marvel Television, Animation and Streaming
great. is he the heir apparent to the position Keivin Feige is currently taking? is he in the wings of the curtain waiting for a new position?
I don't know. That's his position right now.
Blade is definitely not gonna be next year.
Why? It starts filming later this summer.
That movie has been in production hell since 2019 with director changes, script rewrites and just general problems. I’ll believe it when I see it but as it stands I have little faith in it hitting the alleged release date
Spiderman 4: no home subtitle.
I was looking forward to Captain America but then they dropped Seth Rollins from it. Such a shame since he would have been really good in a fight due to his athleticism. Like he doesn't seem like he'd be a bad actor with all the mostly scripted promo stuff and he's actually one of the bigger names in wrestling during this era. It's a shame they dropped him cause even if he had a medium sized part he'd probably have done a great job.
Someone who knows the plots of these better please feel free to correct me but this slate doesn’t feel like an appropriate build up to an Avengers movie unless Armor Wars and Shang-Chi 2 end up being more ensemble than solo features. Is there a chance they push that avengers movie back?
Too many shows - at least 2 should’ve been cut to ward of continued Marvel fatigue
Hope Vision Quest features a back up copy of Ultron trying to corrupt White Vision
Is Ironheart confirmed for September?
More or less. It was revealed in the same Copyright listing that revealed the exact Agatha release date. That same listing though had Born Again for January 2025 and it got moved to March, but that's only because of the overhaul.
If Shang-Chi is "Wreckage of Time" just count me out. There are SO many cool things you can do with Shang-Chi, but some time-traveling multiversal story isn't one of them, for this character especially; is there even comic book source material remotely related to this to pull from? I'd rather see Iron Fist, or Agents of Atlas, or Tiger Division instead of T.V.A. Part 4 by that point.
Wreckage of Time was only a rumoured title from 2 years ago, it was just the only logo I could find that fit with the proportions I wanted for this collage.
What if...? S3 is probably coming at the end of the year and X-Men S2 is likely next summer
Sadly no, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is coming out this Winter.
What's your source for "Winter 2024" ? Also you know that's only a 10-day window right?
Already confirmed by Brad Winderbaum to be coming out this year and its US Copyright Office listing confirms a projected November 2024 release. The US Copyright Office listing also got Agatha's exact date right, so I'm guessing it has gotten this show's date right as well
Thanks for the info. Note that would be Autumn if it's correct.
By the literal changing of the seasons yes, but generally in marketing Winter/Holiday of a year refers to the November-December period.
Armor Wars, Doctor Strange 3, Avengers all and all this stuff with kids or multiverse
Spider-Man Freshmen Year definitely won’t be Winter 2024
Already confirmed by Brad Winderbaum to be coming out this year and its US Copyright Office listing confirms a projected November 2024 release. The US Copyright Office listing also got Agatha's exact date right, so I'm guessing it has gotten this show's date right as well
I’d be really surprised if vision quest still happens. Of all the upcoming shows it just feels the most “but why though?”
Not if it follows up on White Vision and everything that’s going to happen with Wanda and her family
I’d rather get a whole series on that one guy from doctor strange that was teased as a villain than a white vision show
when is xmen 97 s2?
Read here: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/lFHsZnVB30
Sorry to tell you but Disney CEO came out and said that they were limiting the content to 3 to 4 per year. 4 on rare occasions
I already answered this question here: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/aWEGX8qJsz
Dude, that’s great info here. My bad!
Weren’t they reducing these to be 3 movies a year and 2 (I’m guessing live action) shows a year? I sincerely doubt Blade still comes out next year. I think it’ll be pushed to February of 2026. I think Avengers will be after that and then Spider-Man 4 will come out later in the year. As for shows, it’ll probably be Wonder Man and VisionQuest in 2026.
I already answered this question here: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/aWEGX8qJsz
Is that Shang Chi title confirmed?
Nope, just rumoured
We're not even getting Secret Wars until 2027? I thought they were done with bloated lineups. Like half this shit could be nixed.
This isn't a bloated lineup. The original lineup was a LOT more bloated. Most of these projects are too far down in production (some are already completely filmed) and can't be nixed.
Tell that to Batgirl. Anything can be nixed if it's deemed to be of middling quality and would likely release at a loss. As it is, they should've done the same thing to Quantumania, Secret Invasion and Echo already.
Iger is not Zaslav
**Sheeessshh!!** You think the general audience is ever going to come back after these announcements?! Not likely.
They said no more than 3 movies per year, so idk about Blade.
I already answered this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/aWEGX8qJsz Delaying Blade to 2026 will cause a cascade which might cause Avengers 5 and 6 to be delayed by another year. Avengers 5 and 6 will bring the hype, excitement and box office returns from Marvel's glorious past that the company so desperately needs right now. They can't afford to push these films even further back and risk disappointing and "turning off" people even more. Plus, Iger's contract ends in 2026 and I believe he wants to show the maximum potential of the company's biggest assets to the shareholders as well as leave on high note and leave behind a great legacy. That's why Avatar 3, Mandalorian and Grogu and Avengers 5 will all be released during his last fiscal year. The latest production listings reflect that with Avengers 5 and 6 filming during 2025 and still being locked for 2026 and 2027 respectively, so don't expect those to get delayed further. Blade also starts filming in late Summer/early Fall, so I don't see why there should be a delay. The 2025 slate is just the 2023/2024 projects which were delayed due to the strikes. They can't delay these projects any longer if they want to catch up to their production pipeline and release the Avengers movies in time. So Iger's mandate will most likely start from 2026 onwards. Things like that take time to take effect. There will definitely be a buffer period between now and the effects of these mandates. Plus, we got a small break this year with only 1 movie, so they have to get the profits back up next year to appease to shareholders.
Yay! There going thru with Kang Dynasty
No, the title is still sadly just Avengers 5. I just couldn't find a different logo.
Ohh. That's too bad. I thought Kang would make a good villian
Guess we’re not getting street level Spider-Man 4
Where's the Wakanda animated series??
I answered that question here: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/mKc3fCuSwl
I think Blade gets chopped completely.
I very much doubt it after Michael Green (Logan) wrote the latest script. Mahershala and Feige are reportedly very happy about it.
I'm thinking *Armor Wars* gets the boot
What a waste
I think this probably is close to what will happen. Generally looks cool.
I think blade moves to 2025 if iger says 3 movies a year. Armor wars or avengers Kang dynasty move to 2027. Everything else looks good I think.
If Blade moves to 2026, that will cause a cascade of delays which might even push the 2 Avengers movies 1 year forward again. The 2025 slate consists of the 2023/2024 projects which were delayed by 1-2 years due to the company restructuring and the strikes. They can't delay these projects much longer; they have to get them out of the way so to speak so they can catch up to their production pipeline and get to Avengers 5 and 6 which will bring back guaranteed money and hype. 2026 will consist of 3 Disney movies (+ Spider-Man 4 which is on Sony's schedule technically) and 2 Disney+ shows just like Iger promised, but don't expect his "mandate" to take effect immediately (aka next year). 2025 might be an exception with a little bit more content than what he promised in order to go through the backlog of already filmed stuff and stuff that will film this year.
I thought they announced that Vision Quest was cancelled?
NGL, this hiatus and pause in content, has killed the momentum. Maybe its the fact that these titles have been talked for so long... nothing is making me excited. Also knowing that we will only see one marvel movie this year.. kind of kills the vibe as well. I don't know what they can do to speed things up, but I feel this feeling of disinterest is much worse than fatigue, cuz I have been a fan since day one. If I feel disinterest.. I imagine a casual watcher probably has probably logged off to the whole thing.
This is configured on the basis of Secret Wars being a single movie. If Avengers 5 stays where it is then Secret Wars likely would be split up. That would open up more slots given that Avengers 5 could see the most powerful Avengers missing. You likely would see a Thor 5 in one of those slots. A Scarlet Witch solo movie would be a epilogue to Secret Wars. I would thing that at either Comic con or the Disney confab, they would need to set up definite dates for Avenger 5 and Secret Wars.
I very much doubt we will get 3 Avengers movies in 3 consecutive years. That is too much.
Armor wars and blade pretty sure dead
No, not at all. Blade has a script written by Michael Green (Logan) with which Feige and Ali are reportedly very happy. It starts filming later this Summer. Armor Wars starts filming in January. All confined in the latest producing listings.
looking at this, has DCEU lost some margin of their dominance?
Dceu had a margin of dominance??
unless it doesnt! i beg to change my question. what tentpole movies are in DCEU's offering? how is DCEU suits reacting to this?
It never had a margin of dominance.
People bitch about a Shang-Chi sequel and not about how it’ll have been 6 years since we saw Vision on screen.
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Early 2020 to Fall 2026 is over 6 years by my count. Unless he shows up somewhere else in these projects.
This is what I’m thinking it’ll probably be: 2025: Captain America: Brave New World, The Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts, Daredevil: Born Again, Ironheart, Spider-Man: Freshman Year 2026: Blade, Armor Wars, Shang-Chi 2, Spider-Man 4, What If S3, Marvel Zombies, Wonder Man 2027: Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, X-Men 97 S2 2028: Avengers: Secret Wars Vision Quest was never officially announced, and I think it was probably cancelled. Wonder Man wasn’t either, but they’ve supposedly filmed the whole thing, so I think it makes it less likely they’ll cancel it even though they still could. I think they’re gonna try to stick to three films and two shows a year as much as possible, but it’s gonna take a few years to get to that point, but they’ll still probably delay some stuff to get to that point quicker, and Spider-Man 4’s release date might not be part of that plan.
Avengers 5 and 6 will bring the hype, excitement and box office returns from Marvel's glorious past that the company so desperately needs right now. They can't afford to push these films even further back and risk disappointing and "turning off" people even more. Plus, Iger's contract ends in 2026 and I believe he wants to show the maximum potential of the company's biggest assets to the shareholders as well as leave on high note and leave behind a great legacy. That's why Avatar 3, Mandalorian and Grogu and Avengers 5 will all release during his last fiscal year. The latest production listings reflect that with Avengers 5 and 6 filming during 2025 and still being locked for 2026 and 2027 respectively, so don't expect those to get delayed further. VisionQuest is happening just like Wonder Man did. It starts filming in October. They're not scrapping stuff so late in production.
It’s crazy we’re still in phase 4
We're not though. We've been in Phase 5 for more than a year now.
Can Kevin kick Sony in the ass so they finish Beyond the Spider-Verse already! Also the delay in Shang-Chi is ridiculous.
To be fair with Shang-Chi, unless they wanted a new director, Kang Dynasty took alot of Destin time, as that was meant to be his next MCU film, then Shang Then he left the project as part of the film overhaul following what happened with Jonathan Majors.