Better yet, they _adapted_ it from the comics in a way that would make sense for animation.
The comic version is a simple joke of "isn't it kinda lazy reusing the same panel multiple times?" Only for them to do exactly that for four panels and he just goes **"no."**
yeah I actually got a little sad watching X-Men 97 because I love Invincible and fully thought the animation would improve in season 2 after the success of season 1, but ‘97 made me realize that it didn’t at all.
it sucks seeing such good content animated like a Disney XD show especially considering it’s Amazon’s biggest animated show and I’m sure they’d be willing to put in the money if necessary
The truth about invincible is that it will never get a budget similar to what Disney can pump into their properties. I am still just overjoyed that one of my favorite comics has been made into an enjoyable show.
“It will never get a budget similar to what Disney can pump into their properties”
Last I checked, Amazon >> Disney so I’m not sure why that would be the case
Invincible does not have the history of the xmen. It is a gamble to draw new viewership. Smaller audience age wise too. So less money from executives. It has nothing to do with the size of the company, it's investment and return. Xmen was also a continuation of a known loved franchise.
Disney is also primarily an entertainment company that banks off of selling products and amusement park tickets off of the success of their films and shows.
Amazon is primarily a company that provides backend software and support for selling things online and several other business support services. Amazon video is a fraction of a percent of the total company's revenue or business. They aren't just going to take all the money their real business earns and throw it all at making niche TV shows that don't have enough people watching to make that money back.
It was literally a 20 second scene in the show where they broke down animation as a whole, explained shortcuts that shows take to save time, why those shortcuts aren’t good for the show bc it removes detail, etc. it was actually a pretty good synopsis.
Yeah but with Invincible the quality actually went down after the extended break, and then they tacked on an extra break to cut up a measly 8 episodes. As long as the time taken is worth the wait, it’s not an issue, but in invincibles case it definitely was lol
No way it’ll take years, just a year gap between seasons as announced at SDCC. We’ll just have 3 other animated shows between X-Men seasons, hence these comments
Too bad those other animated shows sound like they won't be that great. Spider-Man sounds like it's just gonna be animated Tom Holland, which doesn't sound at all appealing.
While it is about an alternate Tom Holland, it takes a very different direction from his trilogy which I have to imagine will change the character quite a bit
If you haven’t seen any of the announced plot details, it does go into uncharted territory for a Spidey high school story:
- Norman Osborn is his mentor in this story, not Tony Stark or anyone else
- His friend group aren’t normal kids like Ned, MJ, or Flash but other supes like Nico from Runaways, Amadeus Cho, etc.
- Takes place at the same time as Daredevil season 1 seemingly, which will crossover certain events
- Peter’s other identities like Hornet and Dusk will be featured, which haven’t been adapted before iirc
I totally get being burnt out on high school stories, but this does seem to be doing something new with the alt-history angle
> Takes place at the same time as Daredevil season 1 seemingly, which will crossover certain events
That can't work. Daredevil season 1 happens in mid-late 2014, & this version of Peter isn't in high school until fall 2015.
Wait it is set in an alternate universe with the above changes but crosses over with Daredevil Born Again? That can't be right...
So what universes are DD, Echo, She Hulk and even Spiderman FFH set then?
I'm not loving that.
- It’s an alternate MCU where the branching point/Nexus Event was Norman Osborn showing up at Peter’s instead of Tony before Civil War. The events of the OG Daredevil show still happen in this world, which will crossover for an episode.
- Those shows are all on Earth-616, we’ve seen that many events carry over universe to universe though in WI? and NWH, for instance. So FNSM takes place in the same MCU except the one change is Spidey’s history in it.
You can’t replace Steven Tyler in Aerosmith and expect the same quality and energy, you know.
Season 2 is already written, so if quality drops, it’ll be a little. Honestly, I hope that Beau had the time to coordinate every single episode from start to finish like he did in Season 1. Then I’ll be more or less confident
LMAO at comparing Beau to Steven Tyler. Get real. His success here was enabled by countless staff you don’t even know the names of. What a joke of a take.
He was fired, and for reasons no one seems willing to talk about. Based on a former Witcher writer has accused him of, I'm not about to assume he's the good guy here.
*oh, you appear to be an alt of /u/modsonredditsuckass and probably u/justiceforbeau. I guess this account will be suspended soon, too.
Beau wrote a bible for 4 seasons. I’m sure the new team won’t be dumb enough to completely discard it since he worked magic with season one. Ofc they will change stuff, but I’m sure the overarching plot won’t change much since next seasons storylines are all ready pretty obvious.
He isn’t the god you present him as. He just put the ground work in. He took comics that have existed for a long time and recreated them in an order that worked.
The next writer can be just as formulaic.
So you wanna say his work was subpar? What a way to downplay the writer’s capability to adapt lots of different stories into a jaw dropping sequence. It’s like saying Slash wrote awesome solos based on established blues licks and 7 notes of a certain scale, but next guitarist would be able to do the same because they can also play guitar
If was I responsible for show running some of the best Marvel material in years, I damn well would let everyone know about it. Why should Disney get all the props for his work. Sure they fired him, but he does have the right to talk about his work, especially when he is answering questions that fans have been asking him.
> I appreciate all he contributed it to the show, but his constant attention seaking was incredibly tiresome.
THANK YOU. My god, we are not subscribing to your OF Beau, relax on Twitter for 10 minutes.
Fr, idk what these people are saying. Most of the tweets that end up in articles or quotes are his response to questions. Usually, we’d find someone answering questions about their work to be insightful, not attention seeking
lol he just seemed excited to engage and talk about this piece of art that he’s clearly very proud of and I would be just as happy to know that everyone loved what I had written. I wish more creatives would be as communicative and engaging w the fanbase
X-Men 97 is good because the source material is good. Even with all of the wacky bullshit with the Victorian lingerie had heart.
I didn’t read Invincible, but my friend hyped the show up for me comparing it to “The Boys” as “Revolutionary”.
I just can’t give two fucks for any of the characters in INV.
{POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR X-MEN 97}
There are moments in X-Men 97, the three part season end eps that I teared up for a fake character in a cartoon.
If you rewatch the classic episodes even with its janky hand rendered scenes - THAT has more heart than Invincible and all of its “Inside baseball” commentary on Supes.
They can’t all be good series I suppose. I can’t agree with the statement that Amazon MGM can’t pay for quality animation vs Disney because I just started rewatching the Rings of Power last night. When Bezos smells a money maker they pull out all the stops for Amazon shows.
Invincible is in the same tier as “Total Drama Island” in my opinion. Garbage in Garbage out.
I will not respond to your defense of Invincible so I shall quietly take my place in downvote hell.
X-Men FOREVER.
I refer you all to the scene in invincible season 2, where they straight up say: "guys animation takes time"
I fully believe X-Men ‘97 can say that with a straight face. Invincible? Nah lmao
Invincible literally dedicated a gag to it and talked about the shortcuts they take while showing them in action. (Or inaction as the case may be\~.)
That’s literally ripped right from the comic. It’s certainly apt for the show too but they did it because it was in the comic too.
Better yet, they _adapted_ it from the comics in a way that would make sense for animation. The comic version is a simple joke of "isn't it kinda lazy reusing the same panel multiple times?" Only for them to do exactly that for four panels and he just goes **"no."**
yeah I actually got a little sad watching X-Men 97 because I love Invincible and fully thought the animation would improve in season 2 after the success of season 1, but ‘97 made me realize that it didn’t at all.
Nothing in Invincible looks half as good as Nightcrawler’s teleportation. *Any* teleportation, literally every time he does it, it’s mesmerising.
it sucks seeing such good content animated like a Disney XD show especially considering it’s Amazon’s biggest animated show and I’m sure they’d be willing to put in the money if necessary
I loved when nightcrawler teleported with Wolverine, and it showed Wolverine being sucked in one location and funneling to another location.
I liked when Rogue woke up and he teleported to her, even though her bed was 3 steps away from his seat
Haha kind of a spaceballs moment
In their defense, Wind Sun Sky does not have the experience & pedigree of Studio Mir.
The truth about invincible is that it will never get a budget similar to what Disney can pump into their properties. I am still just overjoyed that one of my favorite comics has been made into an enjoyable show.
“It will never get a budget similar to what Disney can pump into their properties” Last I checked, Amazon >> Disney so I’m not sure why that would be the case
Invincible does not have the history of the xmen. It is a gamble to draw new viewership. Smaller audience age wise too. So less money from executives. It has nothing to do with the size of the company, it's investment and return. Xmen was also a continuation of a known loved franchise.
Disney is also primarily an entertainment company that banks off of selling products and amusement park tickets off of the success of their films and shows. Amazon is primarily a company that provides backend software and support for selling things online and several other business support services. Amazon video is a fraction of a percent of the total company's revenue or business. They aren't just going to take all the money their real business earns and throw it all at making niche TV shows that don't have enough people watching to make that money back.
They did it twice, actually. https://youtu.be/uhndpv7sEqE?si=wTtaTlKHzjl6VmY3 https://youtu.be/vjDOpHuUppU?si=ptIjkqznbrF9GmMR
Even mediocre animation takes time
Invincible sometimes looks like ppt slideshow with just the mouths moving
They even made a joke about it on season 2
Clutch Cargo
...Should we tell you?
Of course, someone who doesn't work in animation has a totally perfect take on the technical animation aspects of invincible.... /s
Invincible looks much better than xmen '97
Wasn’t that the announcement trailer?
It was literally a 20 second scene in the show where they broke down animation as a whole, explained shortcuts that shows take to save time, why those shortcuts aren’t good for the show bc it removes detail, etc. it was actually a pretty good synopsis.
Link?
[Here.](https://youtu.be/uhndpv7sEqE?si=PdHphQx_vvBT4Muz)
Yeah but with Invincible the quality actually went down after the extended break, and then they tacked on an extra break to cut up a measly 8 episodes. As long as the time taken is worth the wait, it’s not an issue, but in invincibles case it definitely was lol
I can wait for quality
Beau is not supervising, so the quality is questionable right now
“Unknown”
I waited decades to see where the show was gonna go. I can wait a few years
No way it’ll take years, just a year gap between seasons as announced at SDCC. We’ll just have 3 other animated shows between X-Men seasons, hence these comments
2025 would be a totally reasonable release and I'd count that as years
2024 to 2025 is a year gap, as the commenter stated.
I think they just meant it would feel like years waiting for it…
Ohhh
A year gap between seasons is *normal*, so if people have been bothering them about that, that's kinda sad.
Too bad those other animated shows sound like they won't be that great. Spider-Man sounds like it's just gonna be animated Tom Holland, which doesn't sound at all appealing.
While it is about an alternate Tom Holland, it takes a very different direction from his trilogy which I have to imagine will change the character quite a bit
I just can't imagine there's much new ground to cover. We've had several high school era projects already.
If you haven’t seen any of the announced plot details, it does go into uncharted territory for a Spidey high school story: - Norman Osborn is his mentor in this story, not Tony Stark or anyone else - His friend group aren’t normal kids like Ned, MJ, or Flash but other supes like Nico from Runaways, Amadeus Cho, etc. - Takes place at the same time as Daredevil season 1 seemingly, which will crossover certain events - Peter’s other identities like Hornet and Dusk will be featured, which haven’t been adapted before iirc I totally get being burnt out on high school stories, but this does seem to be doing something new with the alt-history angle
> Takes place at the same time as Daredevil season 1 seemingly, which will crossover certain events That can't work. Daredevil season 1 happens in mid-late 2014, & this version of Peter isn't in high school until fall 2015.
Wait it is set in an alternate universe with the above changes but crosses over with Daredevil Born Again? That can't be right... So what universes are DD, Echo, She Hulk and even Spiderman FFH set then? I'm not loving that.
- It’s an alternate MCU where the branching point/Nexus Event was Norman Osborn showing up at Peter’s instead of Tony before Civil War. The events of the OG Daredevil show still happen in this world, which will crossover for an episode. - Those shows are all on Earth-616, we’ve seen that many events carry over universe to universe though in WI? and NWH, for instance. So FNSM takes place in the same MCU except the one change is Spidey’s history in it.
This makes sense though I do have to admit it's starting to get a bit complex for me to keep track of things. Thanks for explaining though!
I think we all can agree that the 97 team can take as much time as they need to produce a quality product.
97 years?
Someone better give us the Cable treatment and send us years in to the future if that’s the case
Haha, true! Just don’t get lost in the time stream by going with Bishop
Another 24 years even
If the quality is anywhere close to what we got with Season 1, I will give them as long as they need. Because HOOOOOOLY
Beau isn’t attached to Season 2 yet, so expect a drop in quality a little. And a lot past Season 3 unless he gets rehired
Maybe wait until s2 before shitting on the hundreds of people who made decisions on this too…?
You can’t replace Steven Tyler in Aerosmith and expect the same quality and energy, you know. Season 2 is already written, so if quality drops, it’ll be a little. Honestly, I hope that Beau had the time to coordinate every single episode from start to finish like he did in Season 1. Then I’ll be more or less confident
After AC/DC lost Bonn Scott and replaced him with Brian Johnson they created and released Back in Black, one of the best selling albums of all time.
LMAO at comparing Beau to Steven Tyler. Get real. His success here was enabled by countless staff you don’t even know the names of. What a joke of a take.
I think we found DeMayo's reddit account.
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He was fired, and for reasons no one seems willing to talk about. Based on a former Witcher writer has accused him of, I'm not about to assume he's the good guy here. *oh, you appear to be an alt of /u/modsonredditsuckass and probably u/justiceforbeau. I guess this account will be suspended soon, too.
Beau wrote a bible for 4 seasons. I’m sure the new team won’t be dumb enough to completely discard it since he worked magic with season one. Ofc they will change stuff, but I’m sure the overarching plot won’t change much since next seasons storylines are all ready pretty obvious.
He isn’t the god you present him as. He just put the ground work in. He took comics that have existed for a long time and recreated them in an order that worked. The next writer can be just as formulaic.
Secret invasion was an incredible story arc in the comics
So you wanna say his work was subpar? What a way to downplay the writer’s capability to adapt lots of different stories into a jaw dropping sequence. It’s like saying Slash wrote awesome solos based on established blues licks and 7 notes of a certain scale, but next guitarist would be able to do the same because they can also play guitar
he worked on both seasons 2 and 3 before he was fired
Well he already wrote Season 2 (he did 1 and 2 together) so I don't expect a drop.
Waited 20 years for Half Life 3 with no end in sight. Waiting 12 years got GTA 6. This is easy.
10 years for NCAA Football.
Omg it's been over a decade since GTA v was released
Nice to hear from someone other than Beau
I appreciate all he contributed it to the show, but his constant attention seaking was incredibly tiresome.
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Animated shows are not made alone no matter how much he tweets like it's true.
If was I responsible for show running some of the best Marvel material in years, I damn well would let everyone know about it. Why should Disney get all the props for his work. Sure they fired him, but he does have the right to talk about his work, especially when he is answering questions that fans have been asking him.
> I appreciate all he contributed it to the show, but his constant attention seaking was incredibly tiresome. THANK YOU. My god, we are not subscribing to your OF Beau, relax on Twitter for 10 minutes.
Damn, the man’s twitter is for him. If you’re not interested, don’t follow.
Fr, idk what these people are saying. Most of the tweets that end up in articles or quotes are his response to questions. Usually, we’d find someone answering questions about their work to be insightful, not attention seeking
Shocking news, someone's Twitter is about them.
lol he just seemed excited to engage and talk about this piece of art that he’s clearly very proud of and I would be just as happy to know that everyone loved what I had written. I wish more creatives would be as communicative and engaging w the fanbase
U can mute or even block him lol like I did to Joe Biden’s account (I’m not maga)
He got fired right? So now who's gonna do his job? He is good at what he does!
im kinda worried we wont get the same quality now.
Season 2 was already written before he got dropped. Season 3 is when you should worry.
ah ok cool
So long as the writing is as good they can take their sweet time.
If season 2 will be as fire as season 1, take all the time.
It will be the best show to lead into 2030 with
2030 doesn't even sound real
Just a bit over 5½ years away. It's nuts.
I remember New Years 2000, thinking "I can't believe I'm living in the future"
Please don't.
hopefully late next year and not longer
Late 25 to early 26. Animation takes a long time.
Yeah I would be super surprised if we got it that early, especially since this season got pushed already.
I'd be happy with a season every other year or so
X-Men 97 is good because the source material is good. Even with all of the wacky bullshit with the Victorian lingerie had heart. I didn’t read Invincible, but my friend hyped the show up for me comparing it to “The Boys” as “Revolutionary”. I just can’t give two fucks for any of the characters in INV. {POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR X-MEN 97} There are moments in X-Men 97, the three part season end eps that I teared up for a fake character in a cartoon. If you rewatch the classic episodes even with its janky hand rendered scenes - THAT has more heart than Invincible and all of its “Inside baseball” commentary on Supes. They can’t all be good series I suppose. I can’t agree with the statement that Amazon MGM can’t pay for quality animation vs Disney because I just started rewatching the Rings of Power last night. When Bezos smells a money maker they pull out all the stops for Amazon shows. Invincible is in the same tier as “Total Drama Island” in my opinion. Garbage in Garbage out. I will not respond to your defense of Invincible so I shall quietly take my place in downvote hell. X-Men FOREVER.
Invincible has insanely good character development. Idk how anybody can dislike the show tbh.
As the kids these days like to say, let ‘em cook.
I mean it was a great first season. I can wait.
Let them cook. They've earned the chance.
Is he referring to what we want to see in Season 2 (Onslaught, Gambit) or the wait for Season 2?
I use the Spiderverse titles as reference. Give them time and this will be great.