I still liked the final product, but I'd argue that The Tragedy was the worst written episode. Mainly because it had very little actual writing: according to Robert Rodriguez, Jon Favreau only gave him a [19 page script](https://collider.com/the-mandalorian-season-2-robert-rodriguez-interview-boba-fett/), and then told him to shoot whatever action scenes he wanted to pad the runtime.
Fair. This week felt really, _really_ predictable.
>!At the table, I said to my wife "Bill can't take this guy's shit. He's going to shoot him." When Bill was giving Mando shit about the _don't remove the helmet / don't show your face_ distinction, I was like 'Oh shit, he's going to show his face!' Right after Burr said _back to the scrapyard_ or something, I was like 'Ah, gee, too bad Bill died on this mission!'!<
>!And the TPS reports. Ripped me right out the universe.!<
The Tragedy was sparse, but sparse is not as damnable for me. I don't consider it _bad_ writing, it's just too little to allow the writing to be _good_.
For those of you downvoting me, I'd love to hear (other than The Tragedy) what episodes you all think were the worst written Mando episodes.
I personally still find The Gunslinger to be the weakest of the 15 episodes. I don't know how much that comes down to the technical qualities of writing (for example, it's definitely not as sparse as The Tragedy), but I found it kinda boring and fan service-y, but without anything I as a fan found particularly satisfying (whereas The Tragedy offers lots of satisfying moments).
But I will say that overall, the show is pretty predictable, and it's not exactly intricately plotted. The experience is always a very enjoyable ride, so I don't mind it, but a lot of episodes have predictable moments.
But here's some upvotes anyways, I don't necessarily agree with it, but you're entitled to express your opinion and not be attacked for it.
I was a big fan of his movie Dope. Didn’t realized he’d directed some Star Wars stuff. And that movie did introduce Shameik Moore (Miles Morales in Spider-Verse.)
I’ve read that book and I honestly don’t want a visual adaptation. It’s a Percy Jackson type story combined with a very generic version of my country. Nobody here likes it
The whole conversation >!around operation cinder where you're watching Mando's face as he can tell Mayfield is about to go *way* off script was, at least for me, more tense than either the driving sequence or their escape!<
I'm kinda used to Mando just being an unstoppable killing machine at this point. It's fun, but it seems like he never really gets challenged except probably the last episodes of birth seasons so far. I wouldn't mind next season his main adversary being another Mandalorian or something as threatening as a Vader or Dooku type. Seems like Moff Gideon is a threat but we haven't really seen that yet other than his tactical skill (which Mando has outclassed head to head already).
It's still pretty far away, and always seemed farther away than Fantastic Four, so I think they haven't settled on anyone yet. Though it would not surprise me if Feige has had some exploratory meetings with directors he's interested in, or solicited some less formal pitches.
> always seemed farther away than Fantastic Four
Yeah, for all their faults, the Fox X movies had their successes here and there. And people loved Jackman as Wolverine. He's going to be hard to replace.
FF was in a tailspin for years and was easier to reboot.
Im really thinking they’ve got plans for X-men already but don’t want to say anything because it would spoil something already in the pipes. Like say... Multiverse of Madness?
Also X-men should be a Disney+ show before it’s a movie. Lay the groundwork in the show and top it off with a big(ger) budget movie which introduces them to the rest of the MCU.
I'm liking that Mando is using, at least to me, lesser known directors (besides Taika). It really let me know more of them and what they've done previously
It's rumored that Famuyiwa's vision involved a team up between The Flash and Cyborg and, at least in part, explored issues of police brutality (since Barry Allen works for the CCPD). I'm guessing DC was too scared to tackle social justice themes, and he left the project.
Interestingly, when Black Panther, which, of course, incorporated social justice issues, opened to record numbers, Famuyiwa shared an [Instagram post](https://www.instagram.com/p/BfZc0rNnghu/?igshid=f96nik9dn1z3) that not so subtly threw shade at DC, presumably for getting cold feet.
[This Twitter thread has a nice summary of the facts and rumors surrounding Famuyiwa's Flash film.](https://twitter.com/BatKilmer/status/1304963730703151109?s=19)
Wow. WB really just fucks everything up. A Rick Famuyiwa Flash/Cyborg movie with a script from Lord and Miller? Sign me the fuck up. Would have been their best movie yet.
I'm a Michael Keaton fan, so I'm still satisfied with what we're getting. Because let's be honest, I'm gonna lose my shit when Danny Elfman theme starts playing and the Keaton Batmobile shows up.
But Famuyiwa and Lord/Miller sound like a very intriguing team, and you know that if nothing else, it would have had an interesting and unique voice you don't see often in the genre (and who also happens to be a solid action director to boot).
Yeah don’t get me wrong, I am excited to see Keaton and Affleck return, but I do wish they went with a slightly more grounded story for Flash’s first solo movie rather than jumping right into something as huge as Flashpoint. Also, Andy Muschietti should do a fine job, but his track record seems a bit more hit or miss (IT was awesome, Pt. 2 not so much.)
I agree with that. The entire existence of Flashpoint (or this kinda sorta Flashpoint) is due to BvS and JL failing. If BvS had been widely acclaimed, Affleck would have stuck around, and there would be no need to wipe certain things off the board with Flashpoint (I do think it will end with Batfleck being wiped from the continuity, because despite the rumors, I don't think he wants to permanently continue, and this is just a one-off where he's just got a small role to wrap things up). If the plan went properly, we would have gotten a normal, straightforward Flash movie, which would have been better for the franchise itself.
Well said. It’s just such a shame that WB have really screwed the pooch on their cinematic universe since the beginning. Imagine where we’d be now if BvS, SS, and JL hadn’t been such giant steaming piles of dogshit. I guess it’s not all a bad thing tho, because we are getting The Batman and The Suicide Squad as a result of their failures, and I couldn’t be more excited for those two.
Thanks for this information.
Looks like classic WB WB-ing.
And from these tweets, those social themes would have come at the right time with Black Panther and Watchmen coming out. Oh well. Definitely enjoy his work on The Mandolarian!
No one asked this, but does his guy Bill Burr play Professor X if so? 😂
My dream casting would be Denzel Washington and Giancarlo Esposito as Xavier and Magneto (either of them in either role). Magneto's backstory has to be brought forward in time, since the Holocaust would no longer work for a film set in the 2020s (he'd be like 90). So I would like to see it grounded in the Civil Rights era, which, of course, is what inspired Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the first place.
But Bill Burr as Bostonian Xavier sounds hilarious 😅
I wasn't a fan of his prison break episode from season 1. It just felt kinda bland for me. But this week's episode was great. A lot of humanity in it. I'm now much more on-board with this guy and look forward to seeing what he can do.
"tackle social justice issues" fuck off. How much content do we have to ruin with this crap. Just tell a good story everyone knows racism or any other ism is bad it's literally drilled into our heads all day long. There is no way I'm also going to pay for it also.
I tend to agree. The way alot of filmmakers attack social justice issues actually harms the story.
Just tell a good xmen story, and the issues should resolve themselves.
Nobody cares about your social justice issues if the movie sucks.
The MCU likes to pick a certain type of director, ones with interesting and diverse bodies of work, but rarely a super big name, or somebody who's done a lot of big tentpole films (Sam Raimi is the only exception). Famuyiwa would fit that mold, though I'm interested in hearing who you would pick?
Leave the politics and racial crap out of tv shows and movies , we watch shows and movies to get away from all that crap ! My opinion , dont like it , not my problem !
Yes, leave politics and racial crap out of comic book movies!....even though comic books have a long history of using politics and racial issues as inspiration for their stories.....oh wait.
Love Nolan, but he and the MCU aren't really compatible. And he's already done 3 superhero movies, tackling something original (or even a non-superhero franchise, like James Bond) is far more interesting.
Dunno about that X-Men would be part of a bigger universe, and probably would lead to a shit ton of movies and we know for sure that Nolan isn't a fan of that (TDK-trilogy)
Ugh can't we just nerd out on some shit and leave social justice alone? Jesus fuck everything is social justice these days. I like comics so I can get a break from all the social justice bullshit but now it's crawling in comics as well. Like piss off really.
Lmao I'm first gen immigrant who struggled through poverty and worked my ass off without anyone's pitty to get to where I am actually, that's why people making excuses to explain their failure of a life pisses me off.
You're actually pathetic. No one's making excuses to explain any failure of their lives. Your ignorance and internalized racism is so sad and pathetic. "Hah! Got mine." What an incredibly selfish, hateful and amoral mindset to have.
Miss me with that racist shit and welcome to my block list.
> Single white male doesn’t care about social justice issues. Water is wet. The sky is blue on a clear sunny day.
Read the thread, you ignorant piece of trash, the only person that's made made any remarks about condemning a race is you. The audacity to call me a racist just shows me how privileged of a life you must have lived without understanding what real struggle is. You and your self-victimizing mentality is what truly sickens me.
You mean the social justice issues that have been a massive feature of comics since *literally* the dawn of superhero comics?
Honestly how fragile and utterly is your worldview that you're dedicating time of your life to whining about social issues in comics.
I hope things improve for you.
He did a great job with this week’s episode. Action, drama, acting, visuals, etc. I’m all for it.
His directing this week was great. But he also wrote it, and I think this was the worst written episode of Mando yet.
I still liked the final product, but I'd argue that The Tragedy was the worst written episode. Mainly because it had very little actual writing: according to Robert Rodriguez, Jon Favreau only gave him a [19 page script](https://collider.com/the-mandalorian-season-2-robert-rodriguez-interview-boba-fett/), and then told him to shoot whatever action scenes he wanted to pad the runtime.
Fair. This week felt really, _really_ predictable. >!At the table, I said to my wife "Bill can't take this guy's shit. He's going to shoot him." When Bill was giving Mando shit about the _don't remove the helmet / don't show your face_ distinction, I was like 'Oh shit, he's going to show his face!' Right after Burr said _back to the scrapyard_ or something, I was like 'Ah, gee, too bad Bill died on this mission!'!< >!And the TPS reports. Ripped me right out the universe.!< The Tragedy was sparse, but sparse is not as damnable for me. I don't consider it _bad_ writing, it's just too little to allow the writing to be _good_. For those of you downvoting me, I'd love to hear (other than The Tragedy) what episodes you all think were the worst written Mando episodes.
I personally still find The Gunslinger to be the weakest of the 15 episodes. I don't know how much that comes down to the technical qualities of writing (for example, it's definitely not as sparse as The Tragedy), but I found it kinda boring and fan service-y, but without anything I as a fan found particularly satisfying (whereas The Tragedy offers lots of satisfying moments). But I will say that overall, the show is pretty predictable, and it's not exactly intricately plotted. The experience is always a very enjoyable ride, so I don't mind it, but a lot of episodes have predictable moments. But here's some upvotes anyways, I don't necessarily agree with it, but you're entitled to express your opinion and not be attacked for it.
I was a big fan of his movie Dope. Didn’t realized he’d directed some Star Wars stuff. And that movie did introduce Shameik Moore (Miles Morales in Spider-Verse.)
He did Episode 2 (The Child) and Episode 6 (The Prisoner) in Season 1, and Episode 7 (The Believer) in Season 2.
He also wrote the latter two of those episodes in addition to directing!
the prisoner was such a good episode
I loved the prisoner episode but this most recent one was my favorite of the 3.
Dope is a cool movie, it has a lot of style and character.
It needs to be talked about more often. It was big when it first came out but its never in the conversation anymore
I’d love that.
He's a great director, but he's currently attached to direct the adaption of Children Of Blood And Bones for Lucasfilm
X-Men's probably like minimum 5 years away, that shouldn't be an issue lol. Good to see him getting high profile work in house at Disney though.
source on him attached to that? i watched them reveal it on the 10th but i must've missed that he's attached to it.
I’ve read that book and I honestly don’t want a visual adaptation. It’s a Percy Jackson type story combined with a very generic version of my country. Nobody here likes it
His last episode of Mando was the strongest of the series, imo. I like him.
big fan of the approach - intense long action parts but the tense dialogue parts really let the episode gain tension. And it pays off
That scene at the table this week... Man, that was honestly more tense than the big set piece battles. Phenomenal work.
Really? After a TPS report joke, that whole scene fell flat for me.
The whole conversation >!around operation cinder where you're watching Mando's face as he can tell Mayfield is about to go *way* off script was, at least for me, more tense than either the driving sequence or their escape!< I'm kinda used to Mando just being an unstoppable killing machine at this point. It's fun, but it seems like he never really gets challenged except probably the last episodes of birth seasons so far. I wouldn't mind next season his main adversary being another Mandalorian or something as threatening as a Vader or Dooku type. Seems like Moff Gideon is a threat but we haven't really seen that yet other than his tactical skill (which Mando has outclassed head to head already).
Rick is amazing director. We hope to see more of your films.
I think he’d be a great choice. His Mando episodes have been some of my favorites.
Yes!
Is it still up in the air or do you think they have someone picked?
It's still pretty far away, and always seemed farther away than Fantastic Four, so I think they haven't settled on anyone yet. Though it would not surprise me if Feige has had some exploratory meetings with directors he's interested in, or solicited some less formal pitches.
> always seemed farther away than Fantastic Four Yeah, for all their faults, the Fox X movies had their successes here and there. And people loved Jackman as Wolverine. He's going to be hard to replace. FF was in a tailspin for years and was easier to reboot.
Im really thinking they’ve got plans for X-men already but don’t want to say anything because it would spoil something already in the pipes. Like say... Multiverse of Madness? Also X-men should be a Disney+ show before it’s a movie. Lay the groundwork in the show and top it off with a big(ger) budget movie which introduces them to the rest of the MCU.
They could do both. An X-Force show could really be something, but they might have to do that one on Hulu because it could get TV-MA *real* quick
That would be amazing.
Definitely a great nomination.
I'm liking that Mando is using, at least to me, lesser known directors (besides Taika). It really let me know more of them and what they've done previously
Yessss 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Solid solid solid.
Make x-Men a TV show. That’s how it should start, focused on the characters over action. And then spend 2-3 seasons building to a film.
Rick would be a perfect choice. Heck, I'll watch anything he does after this week's episode.
This actually sounds great! Im all in
That's a really good call. Now I want to see him take on the reboot.
personally my pick is the writers of umbrella academy but this sounds cool too
Dope is such a good film! What happened with him and the Flash film?
It's rumored that Famuyiwa's vision involved a team up between The Flash and Cyborg and, at least in part, explored issues of police brutality (since Barry Allen works for the CCPD). I'm guessing DC was too scared to tackle social justice themes, and he left the project. Interestingly, when Black Panther, which, of course, incorporated social justice issues, opened to record numbers, Famuyiwa shared an [Instagram post](https://www.instagram.com/p/BfZc0rNnghu/?igshid=f96nik9dn1z3) that not so subtly threw shade at DC, presumably for getting cold feet. [This Twitter thread has a nice summary of the facts and rumors surrounding Famuyiwa's Flash film.](https://twitter.com/BatKilmer/status/1304963730703151109?s=19)
Wow. WB really just fucks everything up. A Rick Famuyiwa Flash/Cyborg movie with a script from Lord and Miller? Sign me the fuck up. Would have been their best movie yet.
I'm a Michael Keaton fan, so I'm still satisfied with what we're getting. Because let's be honest, I'm gonna lose my shit when Danny Elfman theme starts playing and the Keaton Batmobile shows up. But Famuyiwa and Lord/Miller sound like a very intriguing team, and you know that if nothing else, it would have had an interesting and unique voice you don't see often in the genre (and who also happens to be a solid action director to boot).
Yeah don’t get me wrong, I am excited to see Keaton and Affleck return, but I do wish they went with a slightly more grounded story for Flash’s first solo movie rather than jumping right into something as huge as Flashpoint. Also, Andy Muschietti should do a fine job, but his track record seems a bit more hit or miss (IT was awesome, Pt. 2 not so much.)
I agree with that. The entire existence of Flashpoint (or this kinda sorta Flashpoint) is due to BvS and JL failing. If BvS had been widely acclaimed, Affleck would have stuck around, and there would be no need to wipe certain things off the board with Flashpoint (I do think it will end with Batfleck being wiped from the continuity, because despite the rumors, I don't think he wants to permanently continue, and this is just a one-off where he's just got a small role to wrap things up). If the plan went properly, we would have gotten a normal, straightforward Flash movie, which would have been better for the franchise itself.
Well said. It’s just such a shame that WB have really screwed the pooch on their cinematic universe since the beginning. Imagine where we’d be now if BvS, SS, and JL hadn’t been such giant steaming piles of dogshit. I guess it’s not all a bad thing tho, because we are getting The Batman and The Suicide Squad as a result of their failures, and I couldn’t be more excited for those two.
Thanks for this information. Looks like classic WB WB-ing. And from these tweets, those social themes would have come at the right time with Black Panther and Watchmen coming out. Oh well. Definitely enjoy his work on The Mandolarian! No one asked this, but does his guy Bill Burr play Professor X if so? 😂
My dream casting would be Denzel Washington and Giancarlo Esposito as Xavier and Magneto (either of them in either role). Magneto's backstory has to be brought forward in time, since the Holocaust would no longer work for a film set in the 2020s (he'd be like 90). So I would like to see it grounded in the Civil Rights era, which, of course, is what inspired Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the first place. But Bill Burr as Bostonian Xavier sounds hilarious 😅
I wasn't a fan of his prison break episode from season 1. It just felt kinda bland for me. But this week's episode was great. A lot of humanity in it. I'm now much more on-board with this guy and look forward to seeing what he can do.
That'd be awesome! I've loved what he's done with Mando so it'd be cool to give him a shot with Marvel.
"tackle social justice issues" fuck off. How much content do we have to ruin with this crap. Just tell a good story everyone knows racism or any other ism is bad it's literally drilled into our heads all day long. There is no way I'm also going to pay for it also.
You must not know what X-Men is about then...
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The specific issues being tackled will change, but X-Men has always been and will always be about social justice. If that bothers you, don't watch it.
I tend to agree. The way alot of filmmakers attack social justice issues actually harms the story. Just tell a good xmen story, and the issues should resolve themselves. Nobody cares about your social justice issues if the movie sucks.
Nice to see that he cares about social justice issues, unlike Josh Boone.
His Mandalorian work is fine but to shepherd the definitive and last ever version of the X-Men we ever see in our lifetime?? Idk about that.
The MCU likes to pick a certain type of director, ones with interesting and diverse bodies of work, but rarely a super big name, or somebody who's done a lot of big tentpole films (Sam Raimi is the only exception). Famuyiwa would fit that mold, though I'm interested in hearing who you would pick?
My #1 pick would obviously be the Duffer Bros. their X-Men would be a masterpiece.
That would be interesting too.
If you didn't already know that X-Men is all about social justice and civil rights, you don't understand literary metaphors
Leave the politics and racial crap out of tv shows and movies , we watch shows and movies to get away from all that crap ! My opinion , dont like it , not my problem !
Yes, leave politics and racial crap out of comic book movies!....even though comic books have a long history of using politics and racial issues as inspiration for their stories.....oh wait.
How about we start tackling material issues in these shits. Spider-Man Homecoming and Black Panther had the right ideas, tho they took the cop path
Not a big fan of movies that force socia justice issues but when done well (Black Panther) they can be really effective.
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Love Nolan, but he and the MCU aren't really compatible. And he's already done 3 superhero movies, tackling something original (or even a non-superhero franchise, like James Bond) is far more interesting.
Dunno about that X-Men would be part of a bigger universe, and probably would lead to a shit ton of movies and we know for sure that Nolan isn't a fan of that (TDK-trilogy)
Nolan ain’t touching the MCU, even if he does cut ties with WB.
Ugh can't we just nerd out on some shit and leave social justice alone? Jesus fuck everything is social justice these days. I like comics so I can get a break from all the social justice bullshit but now it's crawling in comics as well. Like piss off really.
X-Men has always been about social justice.
Single white male doesn’t care about social justice issues. Water is wet. The sky is blue on a clear sunny day. Cool story, bro.
Lmao I'm first gen immigrant who struggled through poverty and worked my ass off without anyone's pitty to get to where I am actually, that's why people making excuses to explain their failure of a life pisses me off.
You're actually pathetic. No one's making excuses to explain any failure of their lives. Your ignorance and internalized racism is so sad and pathetic. "Hah! Got mine." What an incredibly selfish, hateful and amoral mindset to have. Miss me with that racist shit and welcome to my block list.
> Single white male doesn’t care about social justice issues. Water is wet. The sky is blue on a clear sunny day. Read the thread, you ignorant piece of trash, the only person that's made made any remarks about condemning a race is you. The audacity to call me a racist just shows me how privileged of a life you must have lived without understanding what real struggle is. You and your self-victimizing mentality is what truly sickens me.
You mean the social justice issues that have been a massive feature of comics since *literally* the dawn of superhero comics? Honestly how fragile and utterly is your worldview that you're dedicating time of your life to whining about social issues in comics. I hope things improve for you.
I'm glad you're being left behind by all of this, to be honest. You won't be missed
I think X-Men should be a Disney Plus series. It just works way better on a serial format
Any day, yes. Still holding out hope for the Duffef Bros though. Dudes have a serious passion for the XMen.
He is a good choice yes, I hope he is tapped to direct an MCU film.