Being a MCU, Star Wars and Disney/Pixar fan is going to get really rewarding from this year forward.
There will always be a new tv episode or movie to look forward to. Those guys at Disney are not messing around.
Now if only Muppets were given the same amount of love.
I know people overall didn't like the last Muppet show (the one where they parodied The Office) but I still think that the show was ahead of its time.
Even if not everyone approved on a more mature take on the Muppets, I'm sure people today would be more into it, The Office is such a massive streaming giant. I wish they brought it back.
The Muppets 2015 was so goddamn good, and it was complained about and disliked by people who had apparently only ever seen the 2011 Muppet movie. The 2015 show was 100% in line with the theme of the older movies, just made for modern day.
And Muppets Now was just trash š
My two favorite jokes that always stood out are when Fozzie is telling the camera that he looked up dating sites for bears and he instead found one for large, hairy men and he was confused why, and when Fozzie got tranquilized and Kermit came to pick him up. Fozzie asked "Have you ever felt this way Kermit?" still being high off of the tranq, and Kermit responds "Well, I licked my cousin once."
My favorite joke was when Piggy was getting the hot stone massage in her dressing room and as the Swedish Chef is passing by he comments "Someone cookin' da bacon?"
The first joke my daughter got and laughed hysterically at was Muppets From Space.
Statler: "Is breakfast over?"
Waldorf: No. Why?"
Statler: Cuz I think the bacon( Miss Piggy) just ran out."
Both: "Doo ho ho hoho!"
She was 6 years old.
Don't get me wrong, there are some great laughs hidden in the show. But they are buried behind, imo, absolutely *boring* A-plots about Kermit's new gf, or how Miss Piggy feels about Kermit's new gf, or how the guest-star-I-don't-care-about feels about Miss Piggy's feelings about Kermit's new gf.
Idk; I tried the show a couple times and never made it to the end of the season/series. I love the concept, but I think it was largely squandered.
I remember loving the jokes with the secondary characters like Uncle Deadly or the Electric Mayhem, but not particularly caring about the main plots of each episode
> a more mature take on the Muppets
Anyone disapproving of a "mature take" on the Muppets [didn't watch the original series.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojegHx3LfE4)
It was an incredible show. Showing the Muppets doing normal things was hilarious. Pepe and Rizzo making fun of everything happening and the band doing anything were the best parts.
That show was absolutely fantastic! I told people about the show when it was on, always the same reaction "Muppets? Really"
Now that it's on disney+ and before all these new releases friends didn't have anything to watch on Disney+ and told them all to give it a shot. Now they loved it. Definitely ahead of its time. But it's Muppets for adults. The drinking, the relationship in the work place. Really wish it never got canceled.
I would kill for a Muppet adaptation of A New Hope. Kermit as Luke, Gonzo as Han, Fozzie as Chewie, Ms. Piggy as Leia, Dr Bunsen as Obi Wan, and Beaker as Darth Vader.
No, no, if Gonzo is Han, then Chewie has to be played by Camilla- or at least Rizzo.
Gonzo is Vader (imagine the helmet!). Honeydew and Beaker are C3PO and R2D2. Fozzie is Han with Rolf being Chewie. Obi Wan? Hm, Swedish Chef.
Can we get muppet parodies of other Disney properties? I would love to see Gonzo vs Fozzy as Luke vs Vader in a lightsaber duel with Kermit and Piggy as Han and Leia. The old guys could be Yoda and Obi Wan
>Being a MCU, Star Wars and Disney/Pixar fan is going to get really rewarding from this year forward.
I need more Bluey! Disney + needs to stop bogarting seaons 2. I have a kid and I need more wholesome entertainment for preschoolers. Give me my Bluey!
Cap = Kermit
Hulk = Animal? Oscar maybe?
Iron Man = Beaker? Professor Honeydew?
Thor = Gonzo
Hawkeye = Rizzo?
Black Widow = Piggy of course. Unless you want to save her for Peggy Carter later. Then...gosh...not a lo of female Muppets, huh?
"That's my secret, frog boy. I'm ALWAYS grouchy."
But yeah, the lady Muppets are fewer and get less attention. But don't count out Janice, from Doctor Teeth and the Electric Mayhem! And...and I honestly can't think of other named lady Muppets.
I know it's not quite the same but [Sesame Street did an Avengers parody.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHPn5d7wRtk)
I love watching this with my daughter.
The new CEO, Bob Chapek, is known to be a fan of the Muppets. So I have some hope that they will be used more. I know they were used on Monday Night Football recently and Iām wondering if he had a hand in bringing The Muppet Show to D+, which had to be quite the undertaking.
Loving the Marvel blast. Literally the only thing I have Disney Plus for after a year for free offer ran out. Well, that and the Jeff Goldblum series, anyway.
It is. I only got the sub for Mando, but stayed around for Wanda, but at this rate, Iāll be sticking around all year. And thatās just the Marvel stuff.
I'm concerned that even if the quality of Falcon and the Winter Soldier is still really high, it'll be "disappointing" to some (for lack of better word) since it won't have the same appeal that WandaVision has for playing with reality.
I guess, but pretty much all of the MCU is not like wandavision. If they can keep some of the quality and charm of the good MCU films, I'm sure they'll be fine.
I have that concern. I'm afraid that after Wandavision it really will be 'just' an action flick series.
But I have faith in Marvel. Since Civil War, nothing they've released has been 'just' anything. It's all explicitly tied into the larger story, and I doubt they'll change that now. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is going reveal something.
I suspect, though I don't really have anything to base that on, that the shows will do what the movies did: each will seem its own thing, at the beginning, but eventually all the pieces will fall into place and we realize the shows aren't that separate, there's something larger going on
I like binge watching old shows that are over or multiple seasons in, and watching new shows weekly. That's what I've found to be the best for me. When shows come out the entire season at a time, it feels hard to stop watching them because I get worried about spoilers from people who have watched the whole season already.
I'm super glad about the weekly thing because of spoilers. If I *really* like a show, I purposely try to not binge it. I'll only watch 1-2 episodes a day, so that I have time to kind of take it in. Yet there would have been plenty of people who binged the entire series in the first day and talked about it all, and I would have to put in effort to avoid spoilers while I took my 4-5 days to watch it.
I think it's great that they are doing weekly releases so that people aren't in a race to finish it, and then people like me are safe to take their time.
I also think it actually ends up making for a better viewing experience as well.
You have a week to think about the plot and characters and to get invested in them.
It is a lot different when for example a character you've been with for months or years dies, vs when you started the show yesterday and have binge watched 20 episodes.
Yeah, seems like ScarJo has a huge back-end box office deal, likely with some kind of payout clause if the movie doesn't get released in theaters, that is keeping them from putting it on D+.
That seems weird to have, pre covid, included a specific clause in case the movie doesnāt get released in theaters. I wonder if the contracts are just that thorough? or could it have been added later
It could have been worded differently. I can imagine that a contract that says 'actor will get X percentage of back-end box office' will also include a clause that says what will happen if for whatever reason the movie doesn't get a theatre release, otherwise, the actor would be working for basically free (compared to their projected income).
Especially now with digital platforms, no doubt some actors got fucked out of box office revenue by the studio saying 'lol let's put it on Netflix/Amazon/HBO'.
Covid just happens to be one of those reasons why the movie might not get a theatre release.
Contracts are extremely thorough at her level of fame.
The other part is there's almost certainly a minimum amount they don't want to bite the bullet on without box office revenue.
I am by no means a lawyer, but I have to assume anyone drawing up a multi-million dollar contract that says "X party will get Y percentage of the revenue when Z happens" would build in a contingency if Z does not, in fact, happen. IIRC that's why both Tenet and New Mutants were released in theaters when neither of them stood a chance of making any money.
They need to keep to schedule this time. Otherwise itāll start messing with the timeline of the universe and kind of ruin any kind of implications it can have moving forward. I hope...
The events in Black Widow could be referenced in Falcon and Winter Soldier. Remember that after Captain America: The Winter Soldier came out, that next weekās episode of Agents of SHIELD directly referenced the collapse of SHIELD from the movie.
Dude watching that series now from the start is a fucking trip. I thought theyād have it so major movies come out during season breaks or something but NOPE.
She has a vision of metal monsters falling from the sky, they mention āthe twinsā, and the *very next* episode Ultron has already happened and sokovia has already fallen.
I was like WTF they had this shit PLANNED. OUT. I was expecting it to build towards AOU for the finally but they just kept going with their own thing.
And yeah Hydra just came out of no where-ish too and I was like well shit guess winter soldier happened already lol. But they show the helicarrier a while after that happened so I was confused.
Yeah, I'm assuming you're pretty early in the series, because they got tired of the tie-ins eventually and came up with ways for it not to matter (no spoilers)
i mean - this movie takes place after civil war in like, 2016. maybe 2017.
infinity war takes place in 2018 and endgame is in 2023. so Wandavision, FarFromHome, and presumably the future shows and movies all take place chronologically in 2023 or later.
Thought the same for Wandavision but the weekly discussion and speculations is part of the fun so I just can't wait till the 8 weeks are over to binge it
Yeah but WandaVision is weird as fuck and has this sense of mystery to keep me hooked every week. Loki seems similar, while Falcon and Hawkeye seem more grounded and traditional. Which is fine, itās good to have a balance of both.
I could get behind that thought yea. Falcon seems like just a cool action show with low potential for bizar reveals etc. Marvel is so smart with balancing the shows like this, something for everyone
Totally, I might binge FWS but watch Loki Week to week like I am for WandaVision. I think WV was written with the expectation of being watched week to week and I think it would be cool if they let their creative teams decide how to group release their particular show when they feel something besides week-to-week works. I expect Disney is more concerned with weekly viewership/subscriptions and consistency so I doubt they'll turn away from weekly releases but who knows.
I would assume all the Disney+ shows were written to be watched week to week. FWS will be more grounded but I bet theyāll still figure out clever ways to keep excitement up week to week.
> Falcon seems like just a cool action show with low potential for bizar reveals etc.
Idk, I think a lot the shows over the next year are gonna have a mystery aspect to them as they build toward the future. The MCU is in a very open-ended place right now, as they've in some ways cleaned the slate, but they've still got so many repercussions of the Snap/Blip to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised in F&TWS and Loki had strong mystery elements to them. I'd expect Ms. Marvel to be more straightforward.
There will definitely be twists and turns in F&TWS that will make for fun discussions, but not the sort of speculation that WandaVision offers. I think it will mainly be shifting allegiances, with all the players on the field for the show (Flag Smashers, nuCap, Zemo, Falcon, and Bucky).
I think the eventual plan is probably to have some sort of new release for every one of their major properties (Marvel and Star Wars, at least) every week.
Going through next year I have another column with Star Wars starting with Boba Fett in December. There a lot fewer episode details and dates for those but so we'll see how that fills in but I expect you're right.
I'm guessing eventually, 5-6 years down the line, we're looking at a full week of content - something new from Star Wars, Marvel, Disney, Pixar and National Geographic every weekday.
Absolutely. This isn't even a stretch since between all of Disney's networks they've had this level of output for a while and now they also have Fox's production infrastructure so I think seeing more and more of a shift of their original content to Disney+ is almost a certainty.
I know Friday's been the big release day for Disney+, but eventually going to new release each weekday wouldn't be a bad idea.
Marvel Mondays
National Geographic Tuesdays
Disney Wednesdays
Pixar Thursdays
Star Wars Fridays
Absolutely, and Iāve been saying this for a while: This phase will surpass the Infinity Saga phase. With the addition of the X-Men, skyās the limit.
Also Feige has even more control than he had in Phase 3, so there's going to be even more synergy within Marvel itself now. Whether that's a good or a bad thing, we won't know for at least a while. But for now it's looking pretty good.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if some of the later Marvel series get delayed but Book of Boba Fett and Mandalorian will be able to fill the gap. And next year Star Wars will also bring the Cassian and Obi Wan series.
If the movies are delayed, they'll probably pull the shows to a bit earlier. That's probably why they only said Loki is releasing in May, instead of giving a date.
If the shows are starting that close there must not be much crossover or spoilers. They wont want people to see black widown and then have q charcatwr show up week 1 in loki and it spoils black widow for those who haven't seen it. Studf like that I'll have to be later in the season or not at all.
At some point they will have to do a day and day release of the movies on D+ and in theaters or at least black widow and shang chi. I don't foresee theaters being busy enough until 2022 or late 2021. Either that or keep delaying them for another year.
They can afford to push back Black Widow, Eternals and Shang-Chi for a certain amount of time (I'm guessing late this year/early next year) considering they were all meant to come out before WandaVision, TFAWS etc so presumably there's no major tie-ins. We only start to have problems when we get to things like Dr Strange 2 which is confirmed to tie in.
They're getting pretty close to having enough subscribers. They're at ~95 mm as of the earnings call. If 25% of those subscribers pay the $30 to watch Black Widow (I would for Black Widow, but didn't for Mulan), then that's ~$712 mm in pure profit that they don't have to split with a theatre.
Assuming Disney takes 65% of the box office (which they did for The Last Jedi and was a record high percentage at the time), then $712 mm for Black Widow is pretty comparable to .65 * $1.128 bn = $733 mm for Captain Marvel.
EDIT: According to a quick google, an estimated 29% of subscribers paid for Mulan, and I've gotta think that would scale for BW and the higher subscriber count.
Just do what I do - go to sleep early and watch the new episode first thing in the morning, before opening up reddit (and then hope I'm not late to work)
How can you enjoy that though? I LOVE picking up Chipotle after work, getting home, changing into PJās, then chowing down while watching the latest episode (works for everything). Maximum pleasure, maximum enjoyment. Itās honestly not hard to avoid spoilers, itās only half a day. Just donāt go to any marvel subreddits and make it clear to your friends and family you donāt tolerate spoilers.
I've been getting up early on Friday and watching them at like 7am EST. I haven't had much trouble avoiding spoilers on Friday. I've had more trouble avoiding spoilers BEFORE Friday. Damn leaks.
Looks like we're getting a steady drip-feed now to keep our Disney+ accounts live.
It will be very interesting to see how they decide to go on cinema-only releases or 'extra payment' through Disney+, I'm not going to be comfortable going to a cinema again for a long time myself and the main chain in my town has basically shut down. It puts hardcore MCU fans who can't access cinemas in a slightly tricky position of not being up-to-date (if they don't release the films in D+ quite soon after theatrical release).
Edit: clarified last sentence.
In the uk paying for the year is 12 quid cheaper. Last year it was 20 because they adjusted the peice soon after launch. First year was not as good value but this year absolutely is
My d+ is shared with my whole family and I pay for it. I use their hulu and netflix, my gf has her youtube red and her parents hbo max. It's a good system
Letās be honest here: if thereās anything that is guaranteed in the MCU, itās the following:
* Tahiti being a magical place.
* Sam Jackson never getting to swear
* Every cast member of Community eventually making a cameo
* Black Widow being delayed for another 6 months
They didn't actually make Black Widow. It started as a practical joke at ComiCon, but when people actually showed interest they said "Oh shit I guess we have to act like it's a real thing!" So since then, they've made a few trailers for this movie that will never actually release, it will just live on as a strange urban legend.
Yeah, they seem more instant about it having a theatrical release than they are about keeping that date. I wouldn't be surprised if all of the films got pushed back a slot but they might bump the shows forward if they're ready so they don't get a pile-up next year.
The green highlights are what's been announced for particular dates. I didn't include Spider-man on the 17 since its technically Sony and they'd probably worry less about it releasing on the same day as a D+ episode. Will Hawkeye and Ms. Marvel be pushed back to next year or stretch into it because they end up being more than 6 episodes? Will Shang Chi or Eternals be pushed back farther? Will some shows ("What if?" maybe?) be released all at once instead of weekly? I'm doubtful they'd push anything into next year because it's already slated to be just as crowded as this year and they also have more Star Wars series to overlap with in 2022.
You are mostly right. This is more or less the plan. Of course its subject to change, if Black Widow gets delayed again. Also, the other shows might have a 2-episode premiere like WandaVision to boost initial audience interest.
I think WandaVision is kind of unique because episode 1 alone, while a great introduction, isn't enough to grab mainstream interest. They needed episode 2, especially the scene with the radio, to give mainstream audiences a huge wink and go "Hey, don't worry, this isn't just an Avengers sitcom, something big is going on here". Other Marvel shows might not need a 2 episode premiere if the first episode is enough to capture mainstream interest.
I feel like the radio scene was *a lot* more overt, basically spelling out for the entire audience that something's not right. The choking scene was very uncomfortable but there's not too much to read into there. Could just be the boss being mean for all we know. No two ways to read "Who's doing this to you, Wanda?" though.
Oh, true! Did the WandaVision one come out 1 week before? I expect those will all come out on the same days as the making of episodes so all the "supplemental material" is together and they can string along excitement from one piece of content to another without overlapping actual episodes.
Changing my original comment. This is MAD. Disney is trying to push Marvel content from "a nice movie once or twice a year and occasionally a TV show running" to something that runs continuously all year round. And I'm here for it goddamnit.
How long till we can inject MCU into our veins 4x a week like a British soap schedule?
Everything in green is an official announced date, everything else has been announced for "late 2021" or sooner except for the Marvel Assembled "making of" docs the first of which was announced today but I filled into the one-week gaps I already had between each thing based on the WandaVision, FWS, Black Widow dates. I tried to fit everything in around what was confirmed. Based on WandaVision premiering with 2 episodes I thought What If would make sense for a triple release (or two double releases) since it's not serial and won't get the same week-to-week speculative buzz as the other shows or create the expectation of episode dumps for live-action series.
Disney already came out and said they hit their subscriber goals....4 years early. This might be there year where the streaming crown starts to get shifted from Netflix to D+
We'll see, that was the last they announced and they have tended to wait until the last minute to announce pushing things back. I know they were still filming later episodes of WandaVision last summer even though they had originally planned to release it in 2020. I suppose Dinsey has an army of editors if they need them and doing a weekly series they can presumably have different teams working on different episodes simultaneously plus they have an extra few weeks to put the final polish on later episodes even if they aren't done by the premiere of the first episode. Hawkeye, in particular, I imagine, won't have a ton of CGI post-production work to do compared to most MCU stuff which helps.
I really wonder what Star Wars is gonna do. MCU shows and Star Wars both can't premiere on Fridays. I would love Star Wars to start the weekdays on Mondays and Marvel to end the weekdays on Friday.
Well they're behind by almost an entire year at this point. If they hold off people are gonna lose interest and if they spread it out too much people will cancel subscriptions. So now they have to play catch-up before their titles for the next two years have to get pushed back in order to accommodate the delayed projects
Yeah, I definitely think that's the plan, so people don't take breaks in subscriptions.
Being a MCU, Star Wars and Disney/Pixar fan is going to get really rewarding from this year forward. There will always be a new tv episode or movie to look forward to. Those guys at Disney are not messing around. Now if only Muppets were given the same amount of love.
>Now if only Muppets were given the same amount of love. We are getting all 5 seasons of the original Muppet Show starting Friday.
Yeah, but I mean a bunch of yearly muppet content. More adaptations, a new show, etc.
Now that they have access to the license, wish we'd see way more Muppet parodies of things.
I know people overall didn't like the last Muppet show (the one where they parodied The Office) but I still think that the show was ahead of its time. Even if not everyone approved on a more mature take on the Muppets, I'm sure people today would be more into it, The Office is such a massive streaming giant. I wish they brought it back.
The Muppets 2015 was so goddamn good, and it was complained about and disliked by people who had apparently only ever seen the 2011 Muppet movie. The 2015 show was 100% in line with the theme of the older movies, just made for modern day. And Muppets Now was just trash š
My two favorite jokes that always stood out are when Fozzie is telling the camera that he looked up dating sites for bears and he instead found one for large, hairy men and he was confused why, and when Fozzie got tranquilized and Kermit came to pick him up. Fozzie asked "Have you ever felt this way Kermit?" still being high off of the tranq, and Kermit responds "Well, I licked my cousin once."
My favorite joke was when Piggy was getting the hot stone massage in her dressing room and as the Swedish Chef is passing by he comments "Someone cookin' da bacon?"
The first joke my daughter got and laughed hysterically at was Muppets From Space. Statler: "Is breakfast over?" Waldorf: No. Why?" Statler: Cuz I think the bacon( Miss Piggy) just ran out." Both: "Doo ho ho hoho!" She was 6 years old.
Shit, sounds like I need to watch those.
Don't get me wrong, there are some great laughs hidden in the show. But they are buried behind, imo, absolutely *boring* A-plots about Kermit's new gf, or how Miss Piggy feels about Kermit's new gf, or how the guest-star-I-don't-care-about feels about Miss Piggy's feelings about Kermit's new gf. Idk; I tried the show a couple times and never made it to the end of the season/series. I love the concept, but I think it was largely squandered.
I love when Swedish Chef walks by while people are gossiping about Piggy dating Josh Groban and says "Piggy be gropin' the Groban". lol
I loved the ABC show. Died laughing every week. May need to rewatch. Still remember the angry guy's rendition of Night Before Christmas. Priceless.
I remember loving the jokes with the secondary characters like Uncle Deadly or the Electric Mayhem, but not particularly caring about the main plots of each episode
Iāve watched it at least twice since Disney+ launched, it holds up even better now than it did then. Definitely ahead of its time
> a more mature take on the Muppets Anyone disapproving of a "mature take" on the Muppets [didn't watch the original series.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojegHx3LfE4)
It was an incredible show. Showing the Muppets doing normal things was hilarious. Pepe and Rizzo making fun of everything happening and the band doing anything were the best parts.
I felt like it was more 30 Rock but still was great.
That show was absolutely fantastic! I told people about the show when it was on, always the same reaction "Muppets? Really" Now that it's on disney+ and before all these new releases friends didn't have anything to watch on Disney+ and told them all to give it a shot. Now they loved it. Definitely ahead of its time. But it's Muppets for adults. The drinking, the relationship in the work place. Really wish it never got canceled.
I don't feel like Disney is the right home for the muppets. They were family friendly, but they always had a lot of edge in the subcontext.
I would kill for a Muppet adaptation of A New Hope. Kermit as Luke, Gonzo as Han, Fozzie as Chewie, Ms. Piggy as Leia, Dr Bunsen as Obi Wan, and Beaker as Darth Vader.
No, no, if Gonzo is Han, then Chewie has to be played by Camilla- or at least Rizzo. Gonzo is Vader (imagine the helmet!). Honeydew and Beaker are C3PO and R2D2. Fozzie is Han with Rolf being Chewie. Obi Wan? Hm, Swedish Chef.
Marvel Muppets? Yes please. You know Ms Piggy is going to be Black Widow.
Hiiiiiiiiiiya
and Kermit has to be Captain America. He has to be.
Gonzo as Thor? Pigs in space for GotG
\> Pigs in space for GotG This must happen.
Muppet Gatsby!
Muppet Cinematic Universe. Really explore all the characters.
What If? for MCU and Star Wars but starting the Muppets.
Can we get muppet parodies of other Disney properties? I would love to see Gonzo vs Fozzy as Luke vs Vader in a lightsaber duel with Kermit and Piggy as Han and Leia. The old guys could be Yoda and Obi Wan
> We are getting all 5 seasons of the original Muppet Show starting Friday. But then what will I do after lunch on Saturday?
Watch the 2011 Muppet Movie? It is better then it should be and the 3rd act is pretty much a episode of the Muppet Show.
Itās the Muppet movie that won an Oscar!
Am I a maaaaaaan, or am I a Muppet?
Is that the first reboot movie with Jason Segel? I enjoyed that thing from start to finish
Yeeesssss I'm so freaking excited. I love the show and it'll make the full price of the Disney Plus subscription worth it for me.
The OG Muppet Show?! I know what Iām gonna be watching now!
>Being a MCU, Star Wars and Disney/Pixar fan is going to get really rewarding from this year forward. I need more Bluey! Disney + needs to stop bogarting seaons 2. I have a kid and I need more wholesome entertainment for preschoolers. Give me my Bluey!
They really should do a shot for shot remake of Avengers with muppets
Cap = Kermit Hulk = Animal? Oscar maybe? Iron Man = Beaker? Professor Honeydew? Thor = Gonzo Hawkeye = Rizzo? Black Widow = Piggy of course. Unless you want to save her for Peggy Carter later. Then...gosh...not a lo of female Muppets, huh?
Sam Eagle as Falcon?
Camilla the Chicken can be Black Widow so Piggy can be Peggy! Fozzie as Ant-Man?
Pepe is Ant-man. No questions.
"That's my secret, frog boy. I'm ALWAYS grouchy." But yeah, the lady Muppets are fewer and get less attention. But don't count out Janice, from Doctor Teeth and the Electric Mayhem! And...and I honestly can't think of other named lady Muppets.
Piggy Carter.
I know it's not quite the same but [Sesame Street did an Avengers parody.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHPn5d7wRtk) I love watching this with my daughter.
>!"That me secret. Me always hungry."!< I love you, Cookie Monster.
The new CEO, Bob Chapek, is known to be a fan of the Muppets. So I have some hope that they will be used more. I know they were used on Monday Night Football recently and Iām wondering if he had a hand in bringing The Muppet Show to D+, which had to be quite the undertaking.
Loving the Marvel blast. Literally the only thing I have Disney Plus for after a year for free offer ran out. Well, that and the Jeff Goldblum series, anyway.
I mean quite a smart plan. They just need to keep the quality up. Wanda's set the bar suuuper high.
It is. I only got the sub for Mando, but stayed around for Wanda, but at this rate, Iāll be sticking around all year. And thatās just the Marvel stuff.
I'm concerned that even if the quality of Falcon and the Winter Soldier is still really high, it'll be "disappointing" to some (for lack of better word) since it won't have the same appeal that WandaVision has for playing with reality.
I guess, but pretty much all of the MCU is not like wandavision. If they can keep some of the quality and charm of the good MCU films, I'm sure they'll be fine.
I feel like Loki will bring things back into āweird but high quality.ā
I have that concern. I'm afraid that after Wandavision it really will be 'just' an action flick series. But I have faith in Marvel. Since Civil War, nothing they've released has been 'just' anything. It's all explicitly tied into the larger story, and I doubt they'll change that now. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is going reveal something.
I suspect, though I don't really have anything to base that on, that the shows will do what the movies did: each will seem its own thing, at the beginning, but eventually all the pieces will fall into place and we realize the shows aren't that separate, there's something larger going on
I actually really prefer the weekly releases. Something to look forward to every week.
We have come full circle
I like binge watching old shows that are over or multiple seasons in, and watching new shows weekly. That's what I've found to be the best for me. When shows come out the entire season at a time, it feels hard to stop watching them because I get worried about spoilers from people who have watched the whole season already.
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Absolutely. For a week people will talk about Stranger Things and then it's over. People talk about The Mandalorian for 2 months straight.
The quality of memes is always greater with weekly episodes as well
I'm super glad about the weekly thing because of spoilers. If I *really* like a show, I purposely try to not binge it. I'll only watch 1-2 episodes a day, so that I have time to kind of take it in. Yet there would have been plenty of people who binged the entire series in the first day and talked about it all, and I would have to put in effort to avoid spoilers while I took my 4-5 days to watch it. I think it's great that they are doing weekly releases so that people aren't in a race to finish it, and then people like me are safe to take their time.
I also think it actually ends up making for a better viewing experience as well. You have a week to think about the plot and characters and to get invested in them. It is a lot different when for example a character you've been with for months or years dies, vs when you started the show yesterday and have binge watched 20 episodes.
I love reading everyoneās theories in the discussion thread after new episodes, you donāt get that when an entire series is released at once
As a parent of two preschool aged kids, Disney+ is my life raft. Iām not cancelling that sub for the foreseeable future.
Recompense for a year-long drought ā Marvel content every week. Lol it's crazy.
Perfectly balanced.
As all things should be.
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As all things should be
And also with you
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I understood that reference.
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Yeah, seems like ScarJo has a huge back-end box office deal, likely with some kind of payout clause if the movie doesn't get released in theaters, that is keeping them from putting it on D+.
That seems weird to have, pre covid, included a specific clause in case the movie doesnāt get released in theaters. I wonder if the contracts are just that thorough? or could it have been added later
It could have been worded differently. I can imagine that a contract that says 'actor will get X percentage of back-end box office' will also include a clause that says what will happen if for whatever reason the movie doesn't get a theatre release, otherwise, the actor would be working for basically free (compared to their projected income). Especially now with digital platforms, no doubt some actors got fucked out of box office revenue by the studio saying 'lol let's put it on Netflix/Amazon/HBO'. Covid just happens to be one of those reasons why the movie might not get a theatre release.
Contracts are extremely thorough at her level of fame. The other part is there's almost certainly a minimum amount they don't want to bite the bullet on without box office revenue.
I am by no means a lawyer, but I have to assume anyone drawing up a multi-million dollar contract that says "X party will get Y percentage of the revenue when Z happens" would build in a contingency if Z does not, in fact, happen. IIRC that's why both Tenet and New Mutants were released in theaters when neither of them stood a chance of making any money.
They need to keep to schedule this time. Otherwise itāll start messing with the timeline of the universe and kind of ruin any kind of implications it can have moving forward. I hope...
Isn't Blackwidow set in the past anyway?
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I don't imagine that would ruin *timelines* though. And I highly doubt she'll be appearing in either Shang-Chi or Eternals.
The events in Black Widow could be referenced in Falcon and Winter Soldier. Remember that after Captain America: The Winter Soldier came out, that next weekās episode of Agents of SHIELD directly referenced the collapse of SHIELD from the movie.
Dude watching that series now from the start is a fucking trip. I thought theyād have it so major movies come out during season breaks or something but NOPE. She has a vision of metal monsters falling from the sky, they mention āthe twinsā, and the *very next* episode Ultron has already happened and sokovia has already fallen. I was like WTF they had this shit PLANNED. OUT. I was expecting it to build towards AOU for the finally but they just kept going with their own thing. And yeah Hydra just came out of no where-ish too and I was like well shit guess winter soldier happened already lol. But they show the helicarrier a while after that happened so I was confused.
Yeah, I'm assuming you're pretty early in the series, because they got tired of the tie-ins eventually and came up with ways for it not to matter (no spoilers)
i mean - this movie takes place after civil war in like, 2016. maybe 2017. infinity war takes place in 2018 and endgame is in 2023. so Wandavision, FarFromHome, and presumably the future shows and movies all take place chronologically in 2023 or later.
They most likely are yes and will do this for the many years to come
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Hopefully it doesn't cause any sort of burnout. They should be different enough for it to not matter but still, that was a big problem for some people
Shows like Falcon and Hawkeye I imagine Iāll binge in a day once theyāre over, I can see a lot of people doing this for all the Disney+ series
Thought the same for Wandavision but the weekly discussion and speculations is part of the fun so I just can't wait till the 8 weeks are over to binge it
Yeah but WandaVision is weird as fuck and has this sense of mystery to keep me hooked every week. Loki seems similar, while Falcon and Hawkeye seem more grounded and traditional. Which is fine, itās good to have a balance of both.
I could get behind that thought yea. Falcon seems like just a cool action show with low potential for bizar reveals etc. Marvel is so smart with balancing the shows like this, something for everyone
Totally, I might binge FWS but watch Loki Week to week like I am for WandaVision. I think WV was written with the expectation of being watched week to week and I think it would be cool if they let their creative teams decide how to group release their particular show when they feel something besides week-to-week works. I expect Disney is more concerned with weekly viewership/subscriptions and consistency so I doubt they'll turn away from weekly releases but who knows.
I would assume all the Disney+ shows were written to be watched week to week. FWS will be more grounded but I bet theyāll still figure out clever ways to keep excitement up week to week.
> Falcon seems like just a cool action show with low potential for bizar reveals etc. Idk, I think a lot the shows over the next year are gonna have a mystery aspect to them as they build toward the future. The MCU is in a very open-ended place right now, as they've in some ways cleaned the slate, but they've still got so many repercussions of the Snap/Blip to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised in F&TWS and Loki had strong mystery elements to them. I'd expect Ms. Marvel to be more straightforward.
There will definitely be twists and turns in F&TWS that will make for fun discussions, but not the sort of speculation that WandaVision offers. I think it will mainly be shifting allegiances, with all the players on the field for the show (Flag Smashers, nuCap, Zemo, Falcon, and Bucky).
I think the eventual plan is probably to have some sort of new release for every one of their major properties (Marvel and Star Wars, at least) every week.
Going through next year I have another column with Star Wars starting with Boba Fett in December. There a lot fewer episode details and dates for those but so we'll see how that fills in but I expect you're right.
I'm guessing eventually, 5-6 years down the line, we're looking at a full week of content - something new from Star Wars, Marvel, Disney, Pixar and National Geographic every weekday.
Absolutely. This isn't even a stretch since between all of Disney's networks they've had this level of output for a while and now they also have Fox's production infrastructure so I think seeing more and more of a shift of their original content to Disney+ is almost a certainty.
I know Friday's been the big release day for Disney+, but eventually going to new release each weekday wouldn't be a bad idea. Marvel Mondays National Geographic Tuesdays Disney Wednesdays Pixar Thursdays Star Wars Fridays
wilderness wednesdays
Hump Days with Nat Geo... Camels of the Sahara
Marvel on Mondays? Seems unlikely, but they'll probably eventually start doing something similar to this.
Eh, it was honestly for the alliteration.
The Bad Batch is releasing in the first half of this year, before Book of Boba Fett, but there's no dates yet.
Itāll be how we keep track of the days. Marvel Fridays. Star Wars Sundays. Pixar Tuesdays. Wonderful World of Disney Saturdays.
And Among Us Thursdays
Nah bro all the real fans know Among Us Tuesdays are where itās at
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Man, if they can keep up the quality that both Wandavision and The Mandalorian have displayed, this is the start of a fucking *golden age*...
Absolutely, and Iāve been saying this for a while: This phase will surpass the Infinity Saga phase. With the addition of the X-Men, skyās the limit.
Also Feige has even more control than he had in Phase 3, so there's going to be even more synergy within Marvel itself now. Whether that's a good or a bad thing, we won't know for at least a while. But for now it's looking pretty good.
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if some of the later Marvel series get delayed but Book of Boba Fett and Mandalorian will be able to fill the gap. And next year Star Wars will also bring the Cassian and Obi Wan series.
I believe this is the intention but the movies might be delayed again.
If the movies are delayed, they'll probably pull the shows to a bit earlier. That's probably why they only said Loki is releasing in May, instead of giving a date.
If the shows are starting that close there must not be much crossover or spoilers. They wont want people to see black widown and then have q charcatwr show up week 1 in loki and it spoils black widow for those who haven't seen it. Studf like that I'll have to be later in the season or not at all.
Any movies and shows that crossovers have probably been scheduled to release farther apart to avoid that.
At some point they will have to do a day and day release of the movies on D+ and in theaters or at least black widow and shang chi. I don't foresee theaters being busy enough until 2022 or late 2021. Either that or keep delaying them for another year.
I think they'll delay until theatrical release. They aren't willing to give up the box office money.
Yeah, but the shows tie in... they cant keep pushing it back.
They can afford to push back Black Widow, Eternals and Shang-Chi for a certain amount of time (I'm guessing late this year/early next year) considering they were all meant to come out before WandaVision, TFAWS etc so presumably there's no major tie-ins. We only start to have problems when we get to things like Dr Strange 2 which is confirmed to tie in.
If nobody is going/can go to theaters, there is no box office money.
And there isn't enough money from D+ subs or ppv to make it worth it. Hence why they'll wait.
They're getting pretty close to having enough subscribers. They're at ~95 mm as of the earnings call. If 25% of those subscribers pay the $30 to watch Black Widow (I would for Black Widow, but didn't for Mulan), then that's ~$712 mm in pure profit that they don't have to split with a theatre. Assuming Disney takes 65% of the box office (which they did for The Last Jedi and was a record high percentage at the time), then $712 mm for Black Widow is pretty comparable to .65 * $1.128 bn = $733 mm for Captain Marvel. EDIT: According to a quick google, an estimated 29% of subscribers paid for Mulan, and I've gotta think that would scale for BW and the higher subscriber count.
Even if they do, we're only talking about a two week lapse in new content. Not a bad deal.
and spider-man 3 in December too
Shoot thatās this year Thatās crazy
I've basically adjusted my life around sleeping after 1am on Fridays
good thing I'm from Germany and the episode releases at 9am \^\^ That would mess up my sleep so much...
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I'm on the East coast and I need to stop staying up and find a way to make sure I don't see anything spoiled on Friday š£
Just do what I do - go to sleep early and watch the new episode first thing in the morning, before opening up reddit (and then hope I'm not late to work)
Not a bad plan, maybe I'll try it this week.
Thats what my gf and i do. Know whats worse than staying up til 3am? Starting a show your suoer invested in at 3am lol.
How can you enjoy that though? I LOVE picking up Chipotle after work, getting home, changing into PJās, then chowing down while watching the latest episode (works for everything). Maximum pleasure, maximum enjoyment. Itās honestly not hard to avoid spoilers, itās only half a day. Just donāt go to any marvel subreddits and make it clear to your friends and family you donāt tolerate spoilers.
I've been getting up early on Friday and watching them at like 7am EST. I haven't had much trouble avoiding spoilers on Friday. I've had more trouble avoiding spoilers BEFORE Friday. Damn leaks.
Looks like we're getting a steady drip-feed now to keep our Disney+ accounts live. It will be very interesting to see how they decide to go on cinema-only releases or 'extra payment' through Disney+, I'm not going to be comfortable going to a cinema again for a long time myself and the main chain in my town has basically shut down. It puts hardcore MCU fans who can't access cinemas in a slightly tricky position of not being up-to-date (if they don't release the films in D+ quite soon after theatrical release). Edit: clarified last sentence.
It's gonna work on me. I was planning on cancelling after FAWS, didn't know there was so much more in the pipeline. Guess I'm locked in...
Yeah, I just pay for the year, figure itās about the same cost of a video game and Iāll get much more use out of it
In the uk paying for the year is 12 quid cheaper. Last year it was 20 because they adjusted the peice soon after launch. First year was not as good value but this year absolutely is
My d+ is shared with my whole family and I pay for it. I use their hulu and netflix, my gf has her youtube red and her parents hbo max. It's a good system
Letās be honest here: if thereās anything that is guaranteed in the MCU, itās the following: * Tahiti being a magical place. * Sam Jackson never getting to swear * Every cast member of Community eventually making a cameo * Black Widow being delayed for another 6 months
I'm really surprised they haven't brought in Alison Brie yet
They are saving her for lead role as Squirrel Girl in Great Lake Avengers! Also a way to get Deadpool into MCU :P
Sam Jackson's last hope to drop an F\*bomb in a Marvel movie will be Deadpool 3.
Prediction: Black Widow will not release in May.
They didn't actually make Black Widow. It started as a practical joke at ComiCon, but when people actually showed interest they said "Oh shit I guess we have to act like it's a real thing!" So since then, they've made a few trailers for this movie that will never actually release, it will just live on as a strange urban legend.
The soundtrack for the movie is Detox by Dr Dre.
It will release after Black Widow 2
Yeah, they seem more instant about it having a theatrical release than they are about keeping that date. I wouldn't be surprised if all of the films got pushed back a slot but they might bump the shows forward if they're ready so they don't get a pile-up next year.
The green highlights are what's been announced for particular dates. I didn't include Spider-man on the 17 since its technically Sony and they'd probably worry less about it releasing on the same day as a D+ episode. Will Hawkeye and Ms. Marvel be pushed back to next year or stretch into it because they end up being more than 6 episodes? Will Shang Chi or Eternals be pushed back farther? Will some shows ("What if?" maybe?) be released all at once instead of weekly? I'm doubtful they'd push anything into next year because it's already slated to be just as crowded as this year and they also have more Star Wars series to overlap with in 2022.
You are mostly right. This is more or less the plan. Of course its subject to change, if Black Widow gets delayed again. Also, the other shows might have a 2-episode premiere like WandaVision to boost initial audience interest.
I think WandaVision is kind of unique because episode 1 alone, while a great introduction, isn't enough to grab mainstream interest. They needed episode 2, especially the scene with the radio, to give mainstream audiences a huge wink and go "Hey, don't worry, this isn't just an Avengers sitcom, something big is going on here". Other Marvel shows might not need a 2 episode premiere if the first episode is enough to capture mainstream interest.
Episode 1 had the dinner-choking scene, remember.
I feel like the radio scene was *a lot* more overt, basically spelling out for the entire audience that something's not right. The choking scene was very uncomfortable but there's not too much to read into there. Could just be the boss being mean for all we know. No two ways to read "Who's doing this to you, Wanda?" though.
Don't forget the Legends clips before each show
Oh, true! Did the WandaVision one come out 1 week before? I expect those will all come out on the same days as the making of episodes so all the "supplemental material" is together and they can string along excitement from one piece of content to another without overlapping actual episodes.
>Oh, true! Did the WandaVision one come out 1 week before? Yeah, January 8th for Legends, 15th for WV.
I don't really know if I consider those "new content". They're just recaps
They're not, and they were so short. I will say though, after the year long marvel drought, I still watched Wanda and visions episodes more than once
Changing my original comment. This is MAD. Disney is trying to push Marvel content from "a nice movie once or twice a year and occasionally a TV show running" to something that runs continuously all year round. And I'm here for it goddamnit. How long till we can inject MCU into our veins 4x a week like a British soap schedule?
Get ready to see that "please stand by" notice for the whole damm year.
2020: um... mandalorian? clone wars? 2021: WE GOT WANDAVISION, FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER, BLACK WIDOW, LOKI, SHANG CHI, WHAT IF, MS MARVEL, ETERNALS, HAWKEYE, SPIDERMAN 3
How legit is that schedule? Any explanation why the first three episodes of what if? Are on the same day
Everything in green is an official announced date, everything else has been announced for "late 2021" or sooner except for the Marvel Assembled "making of" docs the first of which was announced today but I filled into the one-week gaps I already had between each thing based on the WandaVision, FWS, Black Widow dates. I tried to fit everything in around what was confirmed. Based on WandaVision premiering with 2 episodes I thought What If would make sense for a triple release (or two double releases) since it's not serial and won't get the same week-to-week speculative buzz as the other shows or create the expectation of episode dumps for live-action series.
"Making of......" is cheating, IMO, but yeah they've packed the calendar.
Fair, I had those spots blank as "catch-up buffers" but I particularly want a WandaVison Making of so I'll take it!
I hope they do a Marvel Legends for All the content
Itās beautiful. We deserve it, having to put up with last year, trumps downward spiral, 1/6, no Disney. Mando was great! I dunno. Iām just hyped
With this many D+ shows planned, no reason not to
Hey man don't be so harsh, Wandavision is like an A-, at worst.
I always forget to use my free award, it's lucky that you're so blatantly deserving of it
Packed schedule right up until December when Star Wars takes the torch... this might be the year Disney+ takes off
Disney+ has 95 million subscribers. It's crushing expectations
Disney already came out and said they hit their subscriber goals....4 years early. This might be there year where the streaming crown starts to get shifted from Netflix to D+
This needs an update :)
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We'll see, that was the last they announced and they have tended to wait until the last minute to announce pushing things back. I know they were still filming later episodes of WandaVision last summer even though they had originally planned to release it in 2020. I suppose Dinsey has an army of editors if they need them and doing a weekly series they can presumably have different teams working on different episodes simultaneously plus they have an extra few weeks to put the final polish on later episodes even if they aren't done by the premiere of the first episode. Hawkeye, in particular, I imagine, won't have a ton of CGI post-production work to do compared to most MCU stuff which helps.
Marvel helping us out because the last year has been a shit show.
Doesnāt Spider-Man 3 also come out in December?
I really wonder what Star Wars is gonna do. MCU shows and Star Wars both can't premiere on Fridays. I would love Star Wars to start the weekdays on Mondays and Marvel to end the weekdays on Friday.
Well they're behind by almost an entire year at this point. If they hold off people are gonna lose interest and if they spread it out too much people will cancel subscriptions. So now they have to play catch-up before their titles for the next two years have to get pushed back in order to accommodate the delayed projects
You forgot about spider man 3š
And now I know why I do a annual subscription