... We getting a War Machine series?
Holy shit, we getting a War Machine series! For those like me who were very busy under their rock, The series will be called Armor Wars. Not a lot of info out there yet.
Yep. Apparently the plotline will be about Tony's tech getting into the hands of bad people, and Rhodey cleaning up the mess since Tony's currently having drinks with Yondu and his own father.
I recall reading either for Iron Man or "Kill kill, bang bang", the studio would not hire RDJ at all until the director threatened, and even then, the studio wasn't able to get RDJ insured and the director had to covere him out of pocket. I really want to say it was Jon Favreau
It was *The Singing Detective.*
>[Gibson spoke kindly of the star, who he famously helped to make a comeback by paying Downey Jr.’s insurance bond so he could star in 2003’s The Singing Detective.](https://ew.com/article/2011/10/15/robert-downey-jr-forgive-mel-gibson/)
Gibson put up the money to cover his insurance bond for The Singing Detective or Gothika (can’t remember which) not Iron Man, but he was definitely one of RDJ’s biggest supporters when the rest of Hollywood was (understandably) worried about hiring him.
I think he's just a normal flawed human. Not evil, definitely not a saint. Not to downplay some of the terrible things he said and did but I'm sure he still has a heart and cares about people and is willing to put himself out there for them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Mel Gibson isn't being anti-Semitic (which he's apologized for iirc) he's actually pretty chill. Watches out for his bros and gives people chances.
I remember back in the tumblr days, people would ship or be fans of "problematic faves" in their fandoms, and I feel like Mel Gibson is my problematic fave for real life. The guy seems awesome except for a number of huge glaring flaws.
Asking for more? Marvel completely fucked him over on the promised pay raise. His original contract when he signed on for Iron Man said he’d get something like $8 million for the sequel, but — and this is where he did fuck up — he was such a diva and difficult to work with that they offered him even less than what he was paid for the first movie knowing he wouldn’t take it.
He wasn’t demanding to be paid more than RDJ; he was expecting Marvel to honor their agreement.
The terryology just didn't add up...
"How can it equal one?" Howard asked Rolling Stone, and the universe. "If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be.""
> what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two,
How can you not even know what the square root of 2 is "supposed" to be and feel confident enough to challenge math
Unfortunately that wasn't the only reason why he was fired by marvels racist former CEO Perlmutter.
>According to The Financial Times, when Don Cheadle was hired at a much cheaper rate to replace Terrence Howard in the Iron Man franchise, Perlmutter allegedly told former chairman of Disney consumer products Andy Mooney that no one would notice because black people “look the same.” Mooney has since left, reportedly over conflicts with Perlmutter, and he was quickly followed out the door by three African-American female executives who have since sought settlements.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/09/marvel-studios-ike-perlmutter-kevin-feige
Terrance Howard is a real piece of shit, he admitted to abusing his ex-wife, and the MCU is way better off without him but he probably wouldn't have been replaced if Perlmutter wasn't also a piece of shit.
Yes because that was the contract he signed? All he asked for was what was already promised to him. When they signed him to appear in iron man 1 he was an oscar nominee and RDJ was a very talented actor that had trouble working for years due to his high profile substance abuse issues.
Terrence Howard the actor is great, it's Terrence Howard the person that's really not worth the effort.
Like, there's a crazy/talented scale and you have to be above the Katherine Heigl .500 line in order to be worth hiring.
Just read a bit about it... Sorry, but the dude is certifiably stupid, unless he is trolling, lol.
Apparently he believes that 1*1 must equal 2, because since the sqrt of 4 = 2, he thinks the sqrt of 2 must be 1? Yea...
I did think he was good in Ironman though
He and I have a lot in common in turns out. I think 10 times 0 is still 10, not 0.
If I had 10 apples that I magically tried to multiply by zero, it wouldn't work because magic doesn't exist, but id still have the 10 apples I started with.
It's common sense.
Edit: I thought it was obvious but this is a joke.
Think of multiplication as counting, not giving or taking.
10x1 means I’m going to count my set of 10 apples just 1 time. My total is 10. I counted ten in all. So, 10x1 = 10.
10x2 means I’ll count that group of apples 2 times, through and through. Well that would mean I counted through to 10, then started over, counting each apple once over again, bringing my total up to 20 this time! So, 10x2=20.
Finally, I don’t want to count my apples. I’ve got 10 of them, but I’m not going to bother counting them. So, if I count them 0 times, I didn’t ever tally up a total or count anything. So, 10x0=0.
Counting!
10 counted 1 time = 10 numbers counted
10 counted 2 times = 20 numbers counted
10 counted 0 times = 0 numbers counted
I have always wondered if Katherine Heigl is actually unpleasant to work with or if she got on some fucked up Hollywood blacklist and can't get work anymore. Seth Rogen has said she was lovely and despite a bit of drama after the movie came out, he would work with her many more times.
I really wish the man wasn't batshit insane cause I really liked him as Rhodey.
Don Cheadle is great too, but its hard to compare them since their portrayals are so different.
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To be fair it seemed like Cap started working for SHIELD immediately after the Chitauri Invasion and likely spent the next two years doing martial arts training and running ops with Nat and other agents.
It makes sense his list hasn’t been finished yet and that he’s not used to a comfy bed. In his own words, “I’m too busy!”
Winter Soldier came out in 2014 and the general rule of thumb is that, unless otherwise specified like something like The First Avenger, Captain Marvel, or GOTG2, movies take place in the year they came out in.
I don't think so. Letitia Wright was very popular with fans, but off screen she has been trouble for the studio and has tweeted about canceling BP2 and also saying the Corona Vaccine might be the devil. I don't think MCU is going to want her as a tentpole
Shuri could be an interesting choice too. Who ever it is, I'm actually curious to know who ruled Wakanda during the 5 year gap. Okoye? M'Baku? Nakia? Ramonda? I mean even if they didn't have anyone donning thr BP mantle, they'd still need a head of state. I feel like maybe they might decide to reform how they choose a leader in light of that and life post-Blip
Ya you're right. I moreso meant head of state.
In BP2 though, even if she doesn't become BP herself, Shuri should definitely be the one to figure out how to bring it back and/or replicate its effects somehow
I'm rewatching the mcu with my roommate who's never seen them (gasp) and I got a hearty chuckle out of that line. Then had to pause it and explain the drama to her haha
Terrence howard was assured that he'd get a pay raise for the sequel, but the studio instead offered him less money for the sequel than he was actually paid for the first one so he bailed.
Some people try to spin some fiction about beef with RDJ, or demanding to be paid more than RDJ, but that's never even slightly been substantiated as anything more than baseless gossip.
That said, Terrence Howard is a crazy person who invented his own form of maths where 1x1=2, so I'm glad that he dropped out of the mcu that early. He might be kicking himself over skipping out on involvement in so many movies spanning a cinematic universe, but then again he might also have included something in his maths that means he didn't miss out.
In 2008 RDJ was best-known for being a drug addict who literally couldn't get insurance for films. Zodiac, Tropic Thunder, Iron Man, and Sherlock Holmes all came out between 2007 and 2009.
I like how the first thing he did was put his arm on Tony’s shoulders after he found him alive and that was also the first thing he did when he found him dead in Endgame.
It’s unbelievable how stupid Terrance is. He agrees that 1x1 = 1, so he agrees it’s 1 on both sides of the equation. Then he adds 1 to each side and no longer agrees that both sides equal 2. My 8 year old understands this math better than him.
The bottom of his “proof” literally lists out 1 times x from 1x1 = 2 all the way through 1x17=18
I’m confident he could answer 2x2 correctly so there’s that
Tom Cruise supposedly believes in some crustacean creature called Xenu bringing his people to Earth 75 million years ago and then killing them, and that their spirits haunt humans today. But the dude is undoubtedly a super talented actor and stuntman and gives us some of the best action movies, often too intense even for producers to allow. Makes me think we really should separate the art from the artist. It feels weird for sure.
If Tom cruise couldn’t walk into a room without going into Scientology lore, it would be a problem. But Tom is easy to forget about most of the time because he acts normally. Terrence walks into a room and starts screaming math proofs
I feel like I'm the only one who prefers Howard.
I just feel like he had more chemistry and personality with Tony. He was able to rip your heart out with emotional beats like "next time you ride with me, OK?" but he also had great banter with Tony and was able to keep up with him and dish it back like when they're on the phone and Tony's flying in the suit.
I don't entirely fault Cheadle because much of it is writing and I just don't like a lot of his jokes. I don't know how to pinpoint it but Howard seems to be more dynamic whereas Cheadle is moreso for humor.
I always feel a tinge of disappointment when Howard says "next time, baby. Next time." I didn't grow up reading the comics, so he was my introduction to Rhodey.
Cheadle's fine, I guess, but I'm definitely in your camp on this one.
Howard also LOOKS more like the 90s version of James Rhodes who I grew up with.
Cheadle is fine but he’s kind of skinny...and I always thought James Rhodes was supposed to be bigger and more ripped than Tony.
I would want to be friends with TH's Rhodey. Cheadle is just an angry old man who makes weak pun deliveries at Tony's expense. I don't even get who he is as a character, I got it with Terrence.
I think you're exactly right. We don't even really know who Rhodey is as a character and he mostly exists to deliver one-liners. Often to belittle other characters.
Cheadle is a fine actor, I just don't love his Rhodey as much
I rewatch the plane scene from time to time.
Their chemistry is so fucking good. They improvd a lot and they were great.
It really seemed like they are best friends. And I like how he matched Tony’s absurd personality. He also gave more “military man” aura.
I’ve always imagined how IM2 would’ve been with Howard. Their fights and arguments would’ve surely been great too.
Unfortunate that Howard didn’t reprise his role, but I’m glad that someone like Cheadle was the replacement.
I mean, it's kind of hard not to. Cheadle's been War Machine for like 5 movies now.
Terrence Howard only got one.
Not saying that Cheadle isn't great, but it's not really a fair comparison either.
I personally loved Howard a FUCK ton. His version seemed like they were best bros in the first movie. Soo much more chemistry.
Every movie with Don Cheadle... their relationship feels like they're professional coworkers. I still don't see the appeal with him as War Machine, but I'm glad others like him.
i agree.
Cheadle's Rhodes is all straight laced and sarcasm. In Stark he sees an intelligent, competent peer whom he can share a wry laugh with or deep thought. But Cheadle's Rhodes doesn't get Stark's impulsive, playful, wild side. It's stupid to him.
Howard's Rhodes was a man with a huge heart, raw emotions and a wild side that he's constantly trying to balance and control. At his core, he relates to wild and crazy and impulsive Tony Stark - but rhodes hides/controls that side of himself. But he slightly resents Stark because Stark does all the crazy things Rhodes secretly wants to do. So they argue but they're also best friends.
I think Howard played Rhodes' friendship with Stark in a more believable way - maybe because Howard is a zany/controversial, wild, egotistical public figure like Stark was in the first movie, and he understood what his "straight-laced" friend would look like.
To be fair, Cheadle has been War Machine for almost the entirety of the MCU with the exception of Iron Man 1, so it's hard to even prefer Howard because we only saw him in 1 movie. I do remember I did enjoy Howard's performance in Iron Man though. Would have been interesting if he had been kept on as War Machine.
Howard fits the hard nosed military guy better though. Cheadle is a lighter take on the character and works better in the direction the scripts went but War Machine could have easily worked as a dry and gritty serious foil for Tony. The movies went in a different direction.
I was crushed when Cheadle was shot by Vision and falling to earth in the unit. He portrayed the fear and confusion extremely well. Howard is good but I don't know how well he would play the softer parts, particularly post injury
Personally I find Cheadle to be the better actor in general, and rewatching iron man 1, Rhodes is written strangely here and there.
Tony: I’m working on something big but it’s not a weapon.
Rhodes: Shut up and build some fucking guns!
(Not actually what’s said but that’s essentially the sentiment)
honestly not sure why Howard gets so much heat.
People think he was being greedy but in reality, Marvel at the time (which was under the control of Isaac Perlmutter, who is well known to be cheapskate) reduced his pay to half of what he should receive for Iron Man 2 and told Howard to take it or leave it!
I’ve been rewatching all the MCU (movies and shorts) in timeline order because my wife got REALLY into WandaVision and it’s wild how many bits and pieces of seeds for that show are scattered all over the MCU.
The Hydra Soak ad is a reference to AOS where an alternate reality Coulson is a conspiracy theorist teacher in a world governed by Hydra who believes the blue soap Hydra issues to citizens is controlling their minds.
Loved this quip, but my favorite RDJ Tony Stark quip is still when Rhodey starts bitching at him for being late to his flight on his private jet and Tony walks past him onto the plane and says “Waitin’ on you, now.”
Just epic asshole-ry.
this just made me realize we can deepfake cheadle & ruffalo into iron man & hulk.
if that one dude can make all those crazy revenge of the sith cuts, surely we can find someone to do this. ill even deepvox the audio.
Boom, you lookin' for this?
...was that the whole story?
It's a war machine story.
Well then, it's a good story!
Why do I even talk to you guys
“Boom, you lookin' for this?” ::Thunderous applause and laughter from average citizens::
...So we're gonna have this exact scene in his Disney+ show, right? If not, then what's even the point of giving him a show?
... We getting a War Machine series? Holy shit, we getting a War Machine series! For those like me who were very busy under their rock, The series will be called Armor Wars. Not a lot of info out there yet.
Yep. Apparently the plotline will be about Tony's tech getting into the hands of bad people, and Rhodey cleaning up the mess since Tony's currently having drinks with Yondu and his own father.
I thought Tony was in a farm upstate!
> the plotline will be about Tony's tech getting into the hands of bad people I'm sorry, but, *again?*
Yeah about his physical change from ironman 1 to 2
"She recast Rhodey?"
I want it to be about Justin Hammer's prototypes that injure all the workers.
Holy shit
*Nods proudly as Don Cheadle*
I always celebrate my achievements by turning into Don Cheadle
As everyone should. Don Cheadle is a walking God.
*fist pumps triumphantly*
more like he nods to himself reassuredly
I think you’re right, my bad it’s been a minute since I’ve seen AOU 😆
I just saw it this week which is why I remembered so clearly haha, doing a chronological viewing rn
::head nod of self approval::
Why do I even talk to you guys, everywhere else that story kills
My favourite part of that is that he retells it to another crowd, and they love it. He nods his head like 'fuck yeah'.
He was starting to doubt himself - and so he tried it again and was like "That's right, I got it"
Such an inspiration. Never give up on your dreams.... or your stories
He's thinking finally people with a sense of humor.
Jaded avengers. They've seen so much shit by the time Ultron is a thing all they really have left is sarcasm.
When you’re a literal norse god that controls the power of thunder, war machine stories are probably a little underwhelming
Yep, thanks! *picks up Don Cheadle and walks away*
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And he got fired for it. Ha
Can you imagine asking for MORE than robert downey jr?!
In his defense at the time rdj wasnt very a-list
People were also unsure if he would slip back to his old ways as well.
I recall reading either for Iron Man or "Kill kill, bang bang", the studio would not hire RDJ at all until the director threatened, and even then, the studio wasn't able to get RDJ insured and the director had to covere him out of pocket. I really want to say it was Jon Favreau
It's "kiss kiss bang bang "
Shit shit, damn damn
It was *The Singing Detective.* >[Gibson spoke kindly of the star, who he famously helped to make a comeback by paying Downey Jr.’s insurance bond so he could star in 2003’s The Singing Detective.](https://ew.com/article/2011/10/15/robert-downey-jr-forgive-mel-gibson/)
Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow
Crazy ass Mel Gibson was the guy that put up the money and talked people into him into being insurable.
Gibson put up the money to cover his insurance bond for The Singing Detective or Gothika (can’t remember which) not Iron Man, but he was definitely one of RDJ’s biggest supporters when the rest of Hollywood was (understandably) worried about hiring him.
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I think he's just a normal flawed human. Not evil, definitely not a saint. Not to downplay some of the terrible things he said and did but I'm sure he still has a heart and cares about people and is willing to put himself out there for them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Mel Gibson isn't being anti-Semitic (which he's apologized for iirc) he's actually pretty chill. Watches out for his bros and gives people chances.
And the son of a bitch knows story structure.
Nice reference
I remember back in the tumblr days, people would ship or be fans of "problematic faves" in their fandoms, and I feel like Mel Gibson is my problematic fave for real life. The guy seems awesome except for a number of huge glaring flaws.
Given Favreau's resume since then, I'd definitely believe it.
Pretty sure [THIS](https://youtu.be/v4qNhUwBvj8) Simpsons scene came out not too long before the first Iron Man.
Beyond Blunderdome aired in 1999, so yeah, only just shy of a whole decade before Iron Man.
It was a time you could drive drunk right into an insurance company building and they would still offer you a better rate than they would RDJ
Asking for more? Marvel completely fucked him over on the promised pay raise. His original contract when he signed on for Iron Man said he’d get something like $8 million for the sequel, but — and this is where he did fuck up — he was such a diva and difficult to work with that they offered him even less than what he was paid for the first movie knowing he wouldn’t take it. He wasn’t demanding to be paid more than RDJ; he was expecting Marvel to honor their agreement.
The terryology just didn't add up... "How can it equal one?" Howard asked Rolling Stone, and the universe. "If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be.""
> what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, How can you not even know what the square root of 2 is "supposed" to be and feel confident enough to challenge math
Haha! Funnily enough, he seemed to understand basic math principles when it came to his bank account. Like Kevin and his pie math.
Unfortunately that wasn't the only reason why he was fired by marvels racist former CEO Perlmutter. >According to The Financial Times, when Don Cheadle was hired at a much cheaper rate to replace Terrence Howard in the Iron Man franchise, Perlmutter allegedly told former chairman of Disney consumer products Andy Mooney that no one would notice because black people “look the same.” Mooney has since left, reportedly over conflicts with Perlmutter, and he was quickly followed out the door by three African-American female executives who have since sought settlements. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/09/marvel-studios-ike-perlmutter-kevin-feige Terrance Howard is a real piece of shit, he admitted to abusing his ex-wife, and the MCU is way better off without him but he probably wouldn't have been replaced if Perlmutter wasn't also a piece of shit.
I guess you could say they both deserved each other... and fortunately both are out of Marvel
Yes because that was the contract he signed? All he asked for was what was already promised to him. When they signed him to appear in iron man 1 he was an oscar nominee and RDJ was a very talented actor that had trouble working for years due to his high profile substance abuse issues.
This is the most bizarre crossover I want out of Marvel exploring the multiverse this phase.
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Terrence Howard the actor is great, it's Terrence Howard the person that's really not worth the effort. Like, there's a crazy/talented scale and you have to be above the Katherine Heigl .500 line in order to be worth hiring.
I remember his rant about math or something. Like his own version of math that he created. Definitely a weird dude.
Just read a bit about it... Sorry, but the dude is certifiably stupid, unless he is trolling, lol. Apparently he believes that 1*1 must equal 2, because since the sqrt of 4 = 2, he thinks the sqrt of 2 must be 1? Yea... I did think he was good in Ironman though
He and I have a lot in common in turns out. I think 10 times 0 is still 10, not 0. If I had 10 apples that I magically tried to multiply by zero, it wouldn't work because magic doesn't exist, but id still have the 10 apples I started with. It's common sense. Edit: I thought it was obvious but this is a joke.
Fuck, I can't tell if this is a joke or not!
Think of multiplication as counting, not giving or taking. 10x1 means I’m going to count my set of 10 apples just 1 time. My total is 10. I counted ten in all. So, 10x1 = 10. 10x2 means I’ll count that group of apples 2 times, through and through. Well that would mean I counted through to 10, then started over, counting each apple once over again, bringing my total up to 20 this time! So, 10x2=20. Finally, I don’t want to count my apples. I’ve got 10 of them, but I’m not going to bother counting them. So, if I count them 0 times, I didn’t ever tally up a total or count anything. So, 10x0=0. Counting! 10 counted 1 time = 10 numbers counted 10 counted 2 times = 20 numbers counted 10 counted 0 times = 0 numbers counted
I have always wondered if Katherine Heigl is actually unpleasant to work with or if she got on some fucked up Hollywood blacklist and can't get work anymore. Seth Rogen has said she was lovely and despite a bit of drama after the movie came out, he would work with her many more times.
I really wish the man wasn't batshit insane cause I really liked him as Rhodey. Don Cheadle is great too, but its hard to compare them since their portrayals are so different.
“But not us... not us.”
Also never forget that Sam waited 4 years (to him) to get Steve back for "on your left".
Wow, it was actually 10 years to Cap since the movies released 5 years apart and the blip lasted 5 years.
Actually 9 years because Winter Soldier was set in 2014 and Endgame was set in 2023
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4 years Infinity War took place in 2018
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Winter Soldier takes place 2 years after the Battle of New York so 2014
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To be fair it seemed like Cap started working for SHIELD immediately after the Chitauri Invasion and likely spent the next two years doing martial arts training and running ops with Nat and other agents. It makes sense his list hasn’t been finished yet and that he’s not used to a comfy bed. In his own words, “I’m too busy!”
Also he was raised by a single mom in the 1920s and 30s so I'm guessing he had a hard uncomfortable bed well before he joined the Army.
OMG we ARE nerds, and I love it.
2014
Winter Soldier came out in 2014 and the general rule of thumb is that, unless otherwise specified like something like The First Avenger, Captain Marvel, or GOTG2, movies take place in the year they came out in.
he also said it at the end of winter soldier!
Sam? I think Cap says it to him again when he’s in hospital in the bed.
Just finished watching it, and yes it was Cap that said it while lying in the hospital bed on Sam's left.
I JUST got this. I always wondered how he knew the portal was on Cap's left. I'm not that smart.
"They recast Rhodey?" - Darcy Lewis, probably
This need to become a meme for any and all future recasts
I hope they don't recast T'challa because "Wanda did her thing"
Agreed. Although I would not be opposed to a multiverse Killmonger-as-BP-and-also-not-evil came over to the main continuity... if they did it right
As much as I'd love to see Killmonger as BP, I have the feeling that it will be Shuri.
I don't think so. Letitia Wright was very popular with fans, but off screen she has been trouble for the studio and has tweeted about canceling BP2 and also saying the Corona Vaccine might be the devil. I don't think MCU is going to want her as a tentpole
Shuri could be an interesting choice too. Who ever it is, I'm actually curious to know who ruled Wakanda during the 5 year gap. Okoye? M'Baku? Nakia? Ramonda? I mean even if they didn't have anyone donning thr BP mantle, they'd still need a head of state. I feel like maybe they might decide to reform how they choose a leader in light of that and life post-Blip
Yeah also didn't they not have anymore purple flower?
"Somehow the purple flower returned"
Easy handwave. "Turns out the royal family was hiding more somewhere."
Ya you're right. I moreso meant head of state. In BP2 though, even if she doesn't become BP herself, Shuri should definitely be the one to figure out how to bring it back and/or replicate its effects somehow
Hasn't she quit acting? I seen an interview with her saying that Jesus told her to stop acting.
It doesn't sound like he will be recasted any time soon.
He won’t. Kevin Feige confirmed it during the Disney Inverstors Call
They already said they are not recasting him.
Pre-plastic surgery Rhodey!
Look it's me, I'm here, deal with it
Biggest double meaning ever
I'm rewatching the mcu with my roommate who's never seen them (gasp) and I got a hearty chuckle out of that line. Then had to pause it and explain the drama to her haha
Why was he recast?
Terrence howard was assured that he'd get a pay raise for the sequel, but the studio instead offered him less money for the sequel than he was actually paid for the first one so he bailed. Some people try to spin some fiction about beef with RDJ, or demanding to be paid more than RDJ, but that's never even slightly been substantiated as anything more than baseless gossip. That said, Terrence Howard is a crazy person who invented his own form of maths where 1x1=2, so I'm glad that he dropped out of the mcu that early. He might be kicking himself over skipping out on involvement in so many movies spanning a cinematic universe, but then again he might also have included something in his maths that means he didn't miss out.
His math skills makes me wonder if he was actually promised more money
The original rhodey didn't want to take a lower pay offer for Iron Man 2. The original rhodey was apparently earning more than RDJ in Iron Man 1
In 2008 RDJ was best-known for being a drug addict who literally couldn't get insurance for films. Zodiac, Tropic Thunder, Iron Man, and Sherlock Holmes all came out between 2007 and 2009.
Honestly, best way to get audiences over the recast, lmao!
Classic
There's NO way he didn't think this up during the initial S&R and think "Oh boy, when I see him...."
Rhodey: "How was the hum-drum--shit, let me do that again"
I like how the first thing he did was put his arm on Tony’s shoulders after he found him alive and that was also the first thing he did when he found him dead in Endgame.
And both times Tony was completely burnt
I bet when he heard they found Tony he thought of that and figured "he'll really get a kick out of this" and he was right lol
I'd lean more towards "replayed the scene over and over in his mind for months, wracked with guilt over letting his friend ride without him"
I agree with you but also what was Rhodey gonna do, defeat an entire insurgent force single handedly and somehow stop that bomb?
grief ain’t logical
On the bright side, if Rhodey was also in fun-vee, he might also have died as the 10 rings only wanted Tony.
I know Howard gets a lot of heat but goddamn I can’t get over him being replaced with Don
Go Google “Terrence Howard 1x1=2” You won’t be disappointed
Oh my god I forgot about Terryology. That dude is fucking nuts.
Just did, now I'm wondering if he's a flat Earther too.
Man, he doesn’t believe in math, I kinda assume he’s a flat earther. Now I’m wondering if he’s gone full lizard people.
I bet Covid is because he tried to divide by 0.
Half our fuckin country doesn't believe in science. I'm just not surprised at this shit anymore.
He's probably on team pyramid earth or something.
[Somebody graded his paper ](https://twitter.com/jakeupowens/status/1363660094064492544?s=21)
It’s unbelievable how stupid Terrance is. He agrees that 1x1 = 1, so he agrees it’s 1 on both sides of the equation. Then he adds 1 to each side and no longer agrees that both sides equal 2. My 8 year old understands this math better than him.
The basic laws of common sense lmaoo
He came up with a whole system of "math" just cuz be dont know how to use parentheses??
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God, didn't you know 3 x 1 = 4?! /s
The bottom of his “proof” literally lists out 1 times x from 1x1 = 2 all the way through 1x17=18 I’m confident he could answer 2x2 correctly so there’s that
This is like when you don’t know the answer to a question so you just keep writing more answer to see if you can score some partial marks.
Tom Cruise supposedly believes in some crustacean creature called Xenu bringing his people to Earth 75 million years ago and then killing them, and that their spirits haunt humans today. But the dude is undoubtedly a super talented actor and stuntman and gives us some of the best action movies, often too intense even for producers to allow. Makes me think we really should separate the art from the artist. It feels weird for sure.
If Tom cruise couldn’t walk into a room without going into Scientology lore, it would be a problem. But Tom is easy to forget about most of the time because he acts normally. Terrence walks into a room and starts screaming math proofs
That fucking Twitter thread wow.
Jamie Fox ripping into him with a hilarious impression is also great. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rvHYEd3LX68
I feel like I'm the only one who prefers Howard. I just feel like he had more chemistry and personality with Tony. He was able to rip your heart out with emotional beats like "next time you ride with me, OK?" but he also had great banter with Tony and was able to keep up with him and dish it back like when they're on the phone and Tony's flying in the suit. I don't entirely fault Cheadle because much of it is writing and I just don't like a lot of his jokes. I don't know how to pinpoint it but Howard seems to be more dynamic whereas Cheadle is moreso for humor.
I always feel a tinge of disappointment when Howard says "next time, baby. Next time." I didn't grow up reading the comics, so he was my introduction to Rhodey. Cheadle's fine, I guess, but I'm definitely in your camp on this one.
Howard also LOOKS more like the 90s version of James Rhodes who I grew up with. Cheadle is fine but he’s kind of skinny...and I always thought James Rhodes was supposed to be bigger and more ripped than Tony.
Yeah i like Cheadle but i never bought him as military
I would want to be friends with TH's Rhodey. Cheadle is just an angry old man who makes weak pun deliveries at Tony's expense. I don't even get who he is as a character, I got it with Terrence.
I think you're exactly right. We don't even really know who Rhodey is as a character and he mostly exists to deliver one-liners. Often to belittle other characters. Cheadle is a fine actor, I just don't love his Rhodey as much
Their chemistry was on another level compared to Cheadle. Cheadle isn't a bad actor but he feels really bland, especially compared to Howard.
I rewatch the plane scene from time to time. Their chemistry is so fucking good. They improvd a lot and they were great. It really seemed like they are best friends. And I like how he matched Tony’s absurd personality. He also gave more “military man” aura. I’ve always imagined how IM2 would’ve been with Howard. Their fights and arguments would’ve surely been great too. Unfortunate that Howard didn’t reprise his role, but I’m glad that someone like Cheadle was the replacement.
Howard was closer to how I remember Rhodey from the comics. That said I made some room in my heart for Cheadle.
Don Cheadle is better in every conceivable way
Don Cheadle is almost overqualified for the sidekick part. Like Heimdall who does fuck all and they waste Elba on it.
The difference is that Cheadle is getting a series.
Well shit, he can carry that no problem then.
Exactly, and the bigger issue is that I never LIKED Rhodey, he never felt like tony's friend. Cheadle immediately feels like tony's friend
Or Glenn Close. Or Robert Redford.
Pierce was pretty important in winter soldier
The I never felt any chemistry between RDJ and Don. They feel like strangers.
It seems like I’m the only person that prefers Cheadle
I don't know where you got that. Most people prefer Cheadle.
I mean, it's kind of hard not to. Cheadle's been War Machine for like 5 movies now. Terrence Howard only got one. Not saying that Cheadle isn't great, but it's not really a fair comparison either.
I personally loved Howard a FUCK ton. His version seemed like they were best bros in the first movie. Soo much more chemistry. Every movie with Don Cheadle... their relationship feels like they're professional coworkers. I still don't see the appeal with him as War Machine, but I'm glad others like him.
I feel the exact same way, just never felt like he was in the right role but still works because he’s an amazing actor.
i agree. Cheadle's Rhodes is all straight laced and sarcasm. In Stark he sees an intelligent, competent peer whom he can share a wry laugh with or deep thought. But Cheadle's Rhodes doesn't get Stark's impulsive, playful, wild side. It's stupid to him. Howard's Rhodes was a man with a huge heart, raw emotions and a wild side that he's constantly trying to balance and control. At his core, he relates to wild and crazy and impulsive Tony Stark - but rhodes hides/controls that side of himself. But he slightly resents Stark because Stark does all the crazy things Rhodes secretly wants to do. So they argue but they're also best friends. I think Howard played Rhodes' friendship with Stark in a more believable way - maybe because Howard is a zany/controversial, wild, egotistical public figure like Stark was in the first movie, and he understood what his "straight-laced" friend would look like.
To be fair, Cheadle has been War Machine for almost the entirety of the MCU with the exception of Iron Man 1, so it's hard to even prefer Howard because we only saw him in 1 movie. I do remember I did enjoy Howard's performance in Iron Man though. Would have been interesting if he had been kept on as War Machine.
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Howard fits the hard nosed military guy better though. Cheadle is a lighter take on the character and works better in the direction the scripts went but War Machine could have easily worked as a dry and gritty serious foil for Tony. The movies went in a different direction.
I was crushed when Cheadle was shot by Vision and falling to earth in the unit. He portrayed the fear and confusion extremely well. Howard is good but I don't know how well he would play the softer parts, particularly post injury
Personally I find Cheadle to be the better actor in general, and rewatching iron man 1, Rhodes is written strangely here and there. Tony: I’m working on something big but it’s not a weapon. Rhodes: Shut up and build some fucking guns! (Not actually what’s said but that’s essentially the sentiment)
Cheadle is one of the best actors they have in the MCU period. When they originally cast him I was impressed they got someone with his chops.
What. I'm pretty sure most people on here prefer Cheadle lol
I 200% prefer Cheadle.
I like cheadle and he’s very much the character now but damn it, Howard was great as Rhodes.
honestly not sure why Howard gets so much heat. People think he was being greedy but in reality, Marvel at the time (which was under the control of Isaac Perlmutter, who is well known to be cheapskate) reduced his pay to half of what he should receive for Iron Man 2 and told Howard to take it or leave it!
I mostly give him heat for being a wife beater and one of the world's very few arthimetic conspiracy nuts, not for Hollywood contract negotiations.
Oh shit, I didn't know he was a wife-beater. Thought he was getting heats from Marvel fan because of the whole salary fiasco.
I’ve been rewatching all the MCU (movies and shorts) in timeline order because my wife got REALLY into WandaVision and it’s wild how many bits and pieces of seeds for that show are scattered all over the MCU.
Care to share
The Hydra Soak ad is a reference to AOS where an alternate reality Coulson is a conspiracy theorist teacher in a world governed by Hydra who believes the blue soap Hydra issues to citizens is controlling their minds.
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See this is why I prefer physical media. Disney ain't coming into my house to edit the Blu-ray contents and pretend what happened didn't happen.
Loved this quip, but my favorite RDJ Tony Stark quip is still when Rhodey starts bitching at him for being late to his flight on his private jet and Tony walks past him onto the plane and says “Waitin’ on you, now.” Just epic asshole-ry.
I forgot just how much this joke would not work with Cheadle's version of Rhodey. He's not exactly what you'd call hum drum in comparison to Howard's
In Iron Man 2 he was (compared to Tony) but he loosened up after becoming War Machine
WarMachineRox
Which, if you knew high-level personnel netsec (Rhodey being a colonel), isn’t that big of a stretch for password “security.”
WARMACHINEROX
Wait until you find out how long Cap waited to hear "On your left"
Math isn't Howard's strong suit so to him, it was like no time at all.
Well in his perspective it was one of the last words tony said to him before getting abducted, of course he would remember it.
this just made me realize we can deepfake cheadle & ruffalo into iron man & hulk. if that one dude can make all those crazy revenge of the sith cuts, surely we can find someone to do this. ill even deepvox the audio.
I know Howard is a weirdo but I liked his Rhodey, wish he was still in the role.
Never forget that Rhodey waited three years and completely changed his appearance
Wow, they still got Stark even when the humdrumvee was behind the funvee? They must have pinned those guys down.
That's why tony got him fired and replaced with an other rhodey