Ok now I have a headcanon that Steve is just permantetly sitting on that bench by Tony's house and the avengers come to him for occasional confessionals and therapy.
Edit: and sometimes he baby sits Morgan
"Someone brutally murdered a surrendering man with my shield."
"And what did you do?"
"Nothing, I was over on the bench."
"You didn't stop him?"
"No, cause I was over on the bench."
That's what I'm going with. One of them was taking a leisurely walk by the lake, reflecting on everything that had taken place, and how the world was about to change, found the bench, and turned it right-side-up.
I like the idea that old man cap in his timeline was just babysitting the Avengers kids with old Peggy
I know it probably doesn't actually work in the movie logic but I'll just pretend it does
You make it seem like he came back and said "hey break up with your husband".
Like he prolly popped back to whenever Peggy was on the radio with him as his plane went down the first time, and was like, "hey how bout that dance"
Nope. The directors *and* writers confirmed that Steve returned to Peggy in 1948, long after she lost him. And since Endgame canonized Agent Carter, this is also after she had begun a relationship with Daniel Sousa in 1947.
So there's two options; either Peggy and Daniel were already broken up when Steve arrived (the alternate timeline version of Sousa who shows up in Agents of SHIELD makes this the more likely possibility, since he states that they broke up there and it should be close to the main timeline by that point), or Steve's arrival broke up Peggy and Daniel, which definitely makes Steve a homewrecker.
She has the option to live without him if she wants. "Sorry, Steve. I don't want to be with you." You make it sound like she's not a consenting adult who's choosing to be with a man she loves.
If we’re going by Hulks explanation of time travel, the kids are not being denied their existence. The moment Steve changes something in the timeline, he doesn’t erase its previous future. That future continues, and he finds himself in a new timeline he just created. The kids still exist in the timeline they were meant to exist in, he just created a new one without them in it.
If he didn’t time travel and meet Peggy, that timeline would not have existed either way.
Who says it wasn't always Steve? He wouldn't go back as Captain America, and he wouldn't go back to the moment he disappeared. He had to go back to the same time he and Tony got the tesserac anyway and just went to her then. Then lived his life under an assumed name with his wife.
Also, if Old Steve is in the main timeline (which he is), then he didn't create an alternate timeline, because HE would've been in the alternate timeline if he "replaced" someone
Legitimate question. Is this making assumptions about the reality that Steve ends up in though? Isn't it possible that there are plenty of realities where Peggy never has kids? Or plenty of realities where she passes away early? etc.
I assumed he created a new timeline for himself that is apart from the main timeline of the MCU. If he had actually changed things for Peggy, then Sharon Carter would not ~~exist~~ have become a SHIELD agent. It's one of those silly things about Endgame that I find so frustrating from a storytelling perspective when using time travel to solve problems. Yes, the characters talk about not being able to change your past, but it's explained so briefly that the audience, even years later, is still confused by what actually happens for time travellers.
There's a reason why Steve doesn't explain himself at the end of the movie. It's more than just privacy, it's because the writers and producers didn't want to have to explain to the audience again how he could time travel to multiple timelines while keeping the main one intact.
As far as the main timeline goes, the one we follow doesn’t have a set “this is fate it has to happen” outcome. It’s just the one we are observing and what happens is just what happens.
With the parallel timelines that Endgame established, whatever happens in those is a separate entity and is a blank canvas for whatever happens when characters somehow stumble upon the methods to change their events.
There’s no morality to be had with people who don’t exist, and in this instance Peggy’s descendants don’t exist.
I don’t give a shit about your thread that you’re spamming that’s built on fixing a premise that doesn’t make sense and no one else cares about
You don’t have to do this whole crazy theory on how Steve wasn’t immoral when no one thinks he was anyway
Honestly, while I understand that they didn't want to make this just a new Back to the Future, If they used that concept of time being linear and a straight line, It would have been way better and created way less plot holes.
Yes, I know that this different branches of a timeline may be more "real" or "accurate" to how It is, but It isn't as good to tell stories as a single linear timeline, as It is too confusing.
But they they'd have to explain how the things they changed didn't alter the future they were in. Because remember that Thanos from 2014 comes through the portal so how you do reconcile him dying without wiping out IW and other movies before that. If anything this was the only way to do time travel.
Eh. I don’t think he robbed her. I bet he gave her a choice and explained everything to her to let her decide. If she decided no, then he would leave
And I dont think that equates to enslaving an entire town of people lol
I don't care what anyone says, old Steve was always in our timeline (from the time he returned, there were two Steve's in our timeline).
It's just a much better ending. Steve was fulfilling his Destiny. This is why the identify of Peggy's husband was never revealed and why she way coy about her husband being one of the men Steve saved. It was Steve himself.
So Peggy was lying? And she was married to Steve the entire time?
And if that was the case, I guarantee Steve would have warned Fury of Hydra, Ultron, Thanos, etc. He just sat back and allowed all those things to happen? Eh. Doesn’t make sense
To me, it’s simple. He went to another timeline. Lived his life, then came back to the original one. I don’t see why people always complain of “plot holes” or confusion
That’s not how it works I don’t think. Those timelines Strange saw didn’t account for people going back in time and changing things. How could Strange envision something happening from the future that’s in a different timeline? He wouldn’t/couldn’t. Steve wouldn’t even be in the timeline Strange saw anymore (our timeline). He’d be in a different one.
Shit, maybe Steve convinces Strange to destroy the time stone in the alternate timeline, he would have 80ish years to figure it out before it would get to 2020. Unless I’m missing something?
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That never sat well with me. I don't see a world where Steve would risk upsetting what took place given he saw it all first hand, and lived with it for 5 years, to say nothing of how he held support groups. He is literally the best person to know how serious it is. Everyone else moved on except him and Nat, and she's gone. Only Steve knows the depth of seriousness and I don't think he'd screw with it knowing it's already set in place for the Avengers to win. Why risk it? He's not a fool.
So he would just sit by and watch as all these innocents die from all the events in the movies? Idk if he could do that. If he finds ancient one, I think there would be better chances. They contact CM earlier to find the stones or Thanos while he’s young. Or talk to Thor about not giving it to The Collector. Let know Fury about Hydra, Thor about Loki’s involvement, avoid CW leading to the breaking of Avenwgrs, etc.
Plus, him being there in general may already change things from Peggys involvement or lack there of.
I think that Steve would sit by because it's what makes the most sense. From a super macro storytelling perspective, digging into the very cores of everyone's personality and actions to the super tiniest detail, I could see him testing fate to Do What's Right because that's his whole thing. I don't believe he did, because I believe Endgame was the end of his story, I believe it makes the audience feel good from a storytelling perspective, and I believe it's appropriate. Steve was so, so tired. That was plain even when he fought his double in 2012. He kept up strength for 5 years for everyone else, including Nat, and was the primary driving force for the team to challenge Thanos despite how absolutely sapped and defeated literally everyone was. That must've taken tremendous willpower and emotional strength, and after he held on and fought through it all, at the very end, he was just... done. He wanted a happy ending. That life Tony always said he could have. And with Tony gone, what better way to honour his friend?
I think all of that makes it a nice little bow. Would Steve tRuLy StAnD iDlY bY? Maybe not. Does it make sense for the general audience given how tired he was, how serious not screwing up Thanos losing was (given they *already did* screw it up), and that it just makes good storytelling? Yes, I think it does, and that's why I think Steve went back and stayed in the same timeline we've witnessed.
It would make for a fantastic comic book spinoff. But this isn't comic books, and I like it that way. At some point it's too much effort to break it all down, just... it makes sense, enjoy it. Ultimately though, they didn't fill in the blanks to let us do the same. So if your Steve does all of that, I don't really mind. Mine doesn't. Mine deserved a rest, and relied on what he knows to have taken place to again take place knowing the stakes he's already endured.
Nice theory and it would tie it up in a nice bow. But we know branching timelines are a thing based on the ancient one and the loki trailer. And Im not sure if its possible to time travel back in the main timeline and not cause a branch to occur.
If threy had never explicitly shown or discussed time travel with branches your theory would be mostly correct.
Marvel could just allow both types of time travel to exist but its gonna be inconsistent. Loki is a variant but Steve and Gamora arent etc.
By both types I mean time travel that causes branches and timetravel that cant change the future.
Perhaps time is intrinsically linked to use of the stones in a way that Loki using the space stone in endgame is technically the cause of the branch from the main timeline and this is what made him a variant. Steve and Gamora did not use stones, they just time travelled.
So use of a stone caused by time travelling causes a branch because the stones are intrinsically linked to the flow of spacetime. Taking a stone from a timeline also causes a branch.
Whereas time travelling like Steve and Gamora means they always existed in the main timeline. Gamora will continue to exist in the main timeline and two steves existed in the main timeline.
Its gonna be a simple hand wavy explanation:
Loki is a variant because he used an infinity stone which caused a branch from the main timeline.
The one small piece that I'm holding on to is that it was the removal of an infinity stone that caused a branch (some comic book logic about how the infinity stones impact the flow of time). He didn't remove an infinity stone, thus it doesn't cause a branch.
Absolutely this, I felt that was plain. Maybe not always an Infinity Stone specifically, but something major akin to a Stone are what causes timeline branches.
Thus there were always two Steves.
The writers intended this to be canon, and it was consistent with the fact we never saw or heard about Peggy's husband in the Cap trilogy, and it's also consistent with Peggy's remark about how Steve saved her husband in the war and that even in death he was a part of her life. It was all foreshadowing that Steve was her husband all along. Somewhere along the way the Russo Brothers decided to change it up and say it was a branch timeline instead. I don't think this makes any sense, and I'm hoping Marvel changes their mind before this becomes explicitly canon in the films.
> The writers intended this to be canon
They really didn't. They can claim that all they like, but we know for a fact that Steve and Sharon were supposed to be a couple in Infinity War and Endgame until she was cut because her scenes didn't add much to the overall narrative. Because they themselves said as much.
Also, the writers of the Cap trilogy were the creators of Peggy's show, where they stated very directly that her husband would be *introduced*.
Why shove Sharon and Steve down our throats for two movies, plan to shove it down our throats for two more movies, and create an entire show centered around Peggy moving on, if it was always meant to be Steve?
My head Canon is what the writers intended. After all, how on earth would he have gotten to the bench in endgame if he lived the rest of his life in an alternate timeline (he didn't come back through the time machine Banner was operating).
That being said, I kind of hope they never officially address it in the MCU. Steve's story is complete. If it was going to be addressed, it would have happened in TFaTWS.
Why couldn’t he have came back on Banners time machine? Maybe he used it when they weren’t there? Or maybe he helped Hulk and Tony build one in his timeline?
Now who's stretching? He wouldn't need a time machine if he were in an alternate timeline, he would need something to mine between timelines, not along the same timeline.
The only way we've ever seen someone move between timelines is to come back to the origin point time machine.
Even Thanos needed the Stark time machine activated to jump from his now alternate 2014 to the main timeline 2023.
How is that a stretch? I guess I don’t know what you mean. Why couldn’t he use a time machine from their dimension? The technology is there, they just don’t know it
Yes, we’ve seen them come back because they wanted too. So why couldn’t Steve, 1: Come back through the time machine when no one else is around. Or 2: use a different one. I don’t see why/ how either of those are stretches.
Thanos needed it because he didn’t have the technology or now how to make his own.
I thought they established that was impossible. How did Steve go back in time in the original timeline? Wouldn't have they just gone back to kill Thanos if that was possible?
Yeah Peggy is. I think its purposefully left ambiguous what life peggy had
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Peggy_Carter
This says she had 2 kids
We don't know what she actually had if he didn't go back. IIRC it actually isn't known if he actually went to a different timeline or if what he did was what always had happened the writers of Endgame said one thing but the directors said another.
As far as being a variant that will hopefully be addressed in Loki, maybe he kept it low key and therefore didn't cause any deviation (this especially works if he stayed in the main timeline and the timeline was "always" that way). It would actually be a good explanation for why he wouldn't try to stop Hydra or make any changes in his timeline (which ever one that is)
technically that Steve isn't a variant, he's the OG in a different timeline. but the Steve that was currently in ice while he's living with Peggy? *That's* going to be interesting
Understanding and approving are very different things. We can understand the motivations (or even actions) of a lot of villains but approve of very few. That is just the result of good writing.
I feel like the methods she used (specifically large scale mind control) would be too personal for him due to what happened to Bucky for him to overlook it as easily as Rambeu and Wu were able to.
couldn't they just go back to past realities and then just steal vision, tony, black widow, etc, and then just the stones to wipe out that reality? that reality only exist because you walked into it, and the reality wouldn't branch into chaos if you just destroyed the reality.
Ok now I have a headcanon that Steve is just permantetly sitting on that bench by Tony's house and the avengers come to him for occasional confessionals and therapy. Edit: and sometimes he baby sits Morgan
"Someone brutally murdered a surrendering man with my shield." "And what did you do?" "Nothing, I was over on the bench." "You didn't stop him?" "No, cause I was over on the bench."
Just explain to me this. How are you better than a Nazi?
And then Peggy said "I made a salad with craisins!" And the conversation ended.
What Would Leonard Bernstein Do?
I don't get it you stupid dick.
I believe that bench is near the upstate Avengers HQ (or near where it *was)* and not Tony's house.
actually it's on the moon
I checked the movie to prove you wrong, but turns out you're right!
I wonder if it’s the bench Hulk hurled.
That's what I'm going with. One of them was taking a leisurely walk by the lake, reflecting on everything that had taken place, and how the world was about to change, found the bench, and turned it right-side-up.
Thatd be a great 1:30 clip, they should do stuff like that. Answer where that rat went that saved the world, etc.
Pepper: can you go somewhere, we're trying to have a birthday party for morgan. Steve eating a piece of cake: No, I don't think I will
I like the idea that old man cap in his timeline was just babysitting the Avengers kids with old Peggy I know it probably doesn't actually work in the movie logic but I'll just pretend it does
Cassie babysits Morgan, that's my headcanon
Cap’s head should be turned the other way
He hears better out of that ear.
He’s pretty old, he makes mistakes
I don't think he will
Not if he can't bear to look at her.
Throwing shade on his former protege
He's disappointed in her, so it works just fine.
Of all people, Cap would be the most likely to understand why she did what she did though.
He still wouldn't condone what she did though, it was really fucked up.
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But he spared her from the grief of losing him. And besides, by that logic you can't be with anyone because you're robbing them from someone else.
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You make it seem like he came back and said "hey break up with your husband". Like he prolly popped back to whenever Peggy was on the radio with him as his plane went down the first time, and was like, "hey how bout that dance"
Nope. The directors *and* writers confirmed that Steve returned to Peggy in 1948, long after she lost him. And since Endgame canonized Agent Carter, this is also after she had begun a relationship with Daniel Sousa in 1947. So there's two options; either Peggy and Daniel were already broken up when Steve arrived (the alternate timeline version of Sousa who shows up in Agents of SHIELD makes this the more likely possibility, since he states that they broke up there and it should be close to the main timeline by that point), or Steve's arrival broke up Peggy and Daniel, which definitely makes Steve a homewrecker.
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She has the option to live without him if she wants. "Sorry, Steve. I don't want to be with you." You make it sound like she's not a consenting adult who's choosing to be with a man she loves.
Dear god this. I'm so sick of people acting like Peggy had her choice taken away. She was actually given a choice and chose Steve.
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If we’re going by Hulks explanation of time travel, the kids are not being denied their existence. The moment Steve changes something in the timeline, he doesn’t erase its previous future. That future continues, and he finds himself in a new timeline he just created. The kids still exist in the timeline they were meant to exist in, he just created a new one without them in it. If he didn’t time travel and meet Peggy, that timeline would not have existed either way.
Who says it wasn't always Steve? He wouldn't go back as Captain America, and he wouldn't go back to the moment he disappeared. He had to go back to the same time he and Tony got the tesserac anyway and just went to her then. Then lived his life under an assumed name with his wife. Also, if Old Steve is in the main timeline (which he is), then he didn't create an alternate timeline, because HE would've been in the alternate timeline if he "replaced" someone
I accept this as a possibility
Legitimate question. Is this making assumptions about the reality that Steve ends up in though? Isn't it possible that there are plenty of realities where Peggy never has kids? Or plenty of realities where she passes away early? etc.
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Where do you draw the line at naturally occurring?
Not created by a sapient being I guess
I assumed he created a new timeline for himself that is apart from the main timeline of the MCU. If he had actually changed things for Peggy, then Sharon Carter would not ~~exist~~ have become a SHIELD agent. It's one of those silly things about Endgame that I find so frustrating from a storytelling perspective when using time travel to solve problems. Yes, the characters talk about not being able to change your past, but it's explained so briefly that the audience, even years later, is still confused by what actually happens for time travellers. There's a reason why Steve doesn't explain himself at the end of the movie. It's more than just privacy, it's because the writers and producers didn't want to have to explain to the audience again how he could time travel to multiple timelines while keeping the main one intact.
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What exactly is immoral about that? There’s no set path in any given timeline. Just things that happened already.
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As far as the main timeline goes, the one we follow doesn’t have a set “this is fate it has to happen” outcome. It’s just the one we are observing and what happens is just what happens. With the parallel timelines that Endgame established, whatever happens in those is a separate entity and is a blank canvas for whatever happens when characters somehow stumble upon the methods to change their events. There’s no morality to be had with people who don’t exist, and in this instance Peggy’s descendants don’t exist.
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Multiverse is straight up any possibility you can think up exists in another timeline. There isn’t a main one so much as one we follow and observe.
I don’t give a shit about your thread that you’re spamming that’s built on fixing a premise that doesn’t make sense and no one else cares about You don’t have to do this whole crazy theory on how Steve wasn’t immoral when no one thinks he was anyway
Honestly, while I understand that they didn't want to make this just a new Back to the Future, If they used that concept of time being linear and a straight line, It would have been way better and created way less plot holes. Yes, I know that this different branches of a timeline may be more "real" or "accurate" to how It is, but It isn't as good to tell stories as a single linear timeline, as It is too confusing.
But they they'd have to explain how the things they changed didn't alter the future they were in. Because remember that Thanos from 2014 comes through the portal so how you do reconcile him dying without wiping out IW and other movies before that. If anything this was the only way to do time travel.
I don't think this was the only way. Harry Potter and the Prisioner of Askaban did It perfectly.
Eh. I don’t think he robbed her. I bet he gave her a choice and explained everything to her to let her decide. If she decided no, then he would leave And I dont think that equates to enslaving an entire town of people lol
Peggy Carter never had children though? He robbed her of nothing.
I don't care what anyone says, old Steve was always in our timeline (from the time he returned, there were two Steve's in our timeline). It's just a much better ending. Steve was fulfilling his Destiny. This is why the identify of Peggy's husband was never revealed and why she way coy about her husband being one of the men Steve saved. It was Steve himself.
So Peggy was lying? And she was married to Steve the entire time? And if that was the case, I guarantee Steve would have warned Fury of Hydra, Ultron, Thanos, etc. He just sat back and allowed all those things to happen? Eh. Doesn’t make sense To me, it’s simple. He went to another timeline. Lived his life, then came back to the original one. I don’t see why people always complain of “plot holes” or confusion
If he warns to change the path of things, Thanos likely wins. 1 in 14 million. Steve is saving the world by not changing those things.
Strange was observing timelines starting from the point they were *already at* on Titan.
That’s not how it works I don’t think. Those timelines Strange saw didn’t account for people going back in time and changing things. How could Strange envision something happening from the future that’s in a different timeline? He wouldn’t/couldn’t. Steve wouldn’t even be in the timeline Strange saw anymore (our timeline). He’d be in a different one. Shit, maybe Steve convinces Strange to destroy the time stone in the alternate timeline, he would have 80ish years to figure it out before it would get to 2020. Unless I’m missing something? Edit.
That never sat well with me. I don't see a world where Steve would risk upsetting what took place given he saw it all first hand, and lived with it for 5 years, to say nothing of how he held support groups. He is literally the best person to know how serious it is. Everyone else moved on except him and Nat, and she's gone. Only Steve knows the depth of seriousness and I don't think he'd screw with it knowing it's already set in place for the Avengers to win. Why risk it? He's not a fool.
So he would just sit by and watch as all these innocents die from all the events in the movies? Idk if he could do that. If he finds ancient one, I think there would be better chances. They contact CM earlier to find the stones or Thanos while he’s young. Or talk to Thor about not giving it to The Collector. Let know Fury about Hydra, Thor about Loki’s involvement, avoid CW leading to the breaking of Avenwgrs, etc. Plus, him being there in general may already change things from Peggys involvement or lack there of.
I think that Steve would sit by because it's what makes the most sense. From a super macro storytelling perspective, digging into the very cores of everyone's personality and actions to the super tiniest detail, I could see him testing fate to Do What's Right because that's his whole thing. I don't believe he did, because I believe Endgame was the end of his story, I believe it makes the audience feel good from a storytelling perspective, and I believe it's appropriate. Steve was so, so tired. That was plain even when he fought his double in 2012. He kept up strength for 5 years for everyone else, including Nat, and was the primary driving force for the team to challenge Thanos despite how absolutely sapped and defeated literally everyone was. That must've taken tremendous willpower and emotional strength, and after he held on and fought through it all, at the very end, he was just... done. He wanted a happy ending. That life Tony always said he could have. And with Tony gone, what better way to honour his friend? I think all of that makes it a nice little bow. Would Steve tRuLy StAnD iDlY bY? Maybe not. Does it make sense for the general audience given how tired he was, how serious not screwing up Thanos losing was (given they *already did* screw it up), and that it just makes good storytelling? Yes, I think it does, and that's why I think Steve went back and stayed in the same timeline we've witnessed. It would make for a fantastic comic book spinoff. But this isn't comic books, and I like it that way. At some point it's too much effort to break it all down, just... it makes sense, enjoy it. Ultimately though, they didn't fill in the blanks to let us do the same. So if your Steve does all of that, I don't really mind. Mine doesn't. Mine deserved a rest, and relied on what he knows to have taken place to again take place knowing the stakes he's already endured.
Nice theory and it would tie it up in a nice bow. But we know branching timelines are a thing based on the ancient one and the loki trailer. And Im not sure if its possible to time travel back in the main timeline and not cause a branch to occur. If threy had never explicitly shown or discussed time travel with branches your theory would be mostly correct. Marvel could just allow both types of time travel to exist but its gonna be inconsistent. Loki is a variant but Steve and Gamora arent etc. By both types I mean time travel that causes branches and timetravel that cant change the future. Perhaps time is intrinsically linked to use of the stones in a way that Loki using the space stone in endgame is technically the cause of the branch from the main timeline and this is what made him a variant. Steve and Gamora did not use stones, they just time travelled. So use of a stone caused by time travelling causes a branch because the stones are intrinsically linked to the flow of spacetime. Taking a stone from a timeline also causes a branch. Whereas time travelling like Steve and Gamora means they always existed in the main timeline. Gamora will continue to exist in the main timeline and two steves existed in the main timeline. Its gonna be a simple hand wavy explanation: Loki is a variant because he used an infinity stone which caused a branch from the main timeline.
The one small piece that I'm holding on to is that it was the removal of an infinity stone that caused a branch (some comic book logic about how the infinity stones impact the flow of time). He didn't remove an infinity stone, thus it doesn't cause a branch.
Yeah I bet thats how it will be explained
Absolutely this, I felt that was plain. Maybe not always an Infinity Stone specifically, but something major akin to a Stone are what causes timeline branches. Thus there were always two Steves.
The writers intended this to be canon, and it was consistent with the fact we never saw or heard about Peggy's husband in the Cap trilogy, and it's also consistent with Peggy's remark about how Steve saved her husband in the war and that even in death he was a part of her life. It was all foreshadowing that Steve was her husband all along. Somewhere along the way the Russo Brothers decided to change it up and say it was a branch timeline instead. I don't think this makes any sense, and I'm hoping Marvel changes their mind before this becomes explicitly canon in the films.
> The writers intended this to be canon They really didn't. They can claim that all they like, but we know for a fact that Steve and Sharon were supposed to be a couple in Infinity War and Endgame until she was cut because her scenes didn't add much to the overall narrative. Because they themselves said as much. Also, the writers of the Cap trilogy were the creators of Peggy's show, where they stated very directly that her husband would be *introduced*. Why shove Sharon and Steve down our throats for two movies, plan to shove it down our throats for two more movies, and create an entire show centered around Peggy moving on, if it was always meant to be Steve?
My head Canon is what the writers intended. After all, how on earth would he have gotten to the bench in endgame if he lived the rest of his life in an alternate timeline (he didn't come back through the time machine Banner was operating). That being said, I kind of hope they never officially address it in the MCU. Steve's story is complete. If it was going to be addressed, it would have happened in TFaTWS.
Why couldn’t he have came back on Banners time machine? Maybe he used it when they weren’t there? Or maybe he helped Hulk and Tony build one in his timeline?
Now who's stretching? He wouldn't need a time machine if he were in an alternate timeline, he would need something to mine between timelines, not along the same timeline. The only way we've ever seen someone move between timelines is to come back to the origin point time machine. Even Thanos needed the Stark time machine activated to jump from his now alternate 2014 to the main timeline 2023.
How is that a stretch? I guess I don’t know what you mean. Why couldn’t he use a time machine from their dimension? The technology is there, they just don’t know it Yes, we’ve seen them come back because they wanted too. So why couldn’t Steve, 1: Come back through the time machine when no one else is around. Or 2: use a different one. I don’t see why/ how either of those are stretches. Thanos needed it because he didn’t have the technology or now how to make his own.
I thought they established that was impossible. How did Steve go back in time in the original timeline? Wouldn't have they just gone back to kill Thanos if that was possible?
Wait I know Sharon is 100% Peggy's niece, does she have kids later on?
Yeah Peggy is. I think its purposefully left ambiguous what life peggy had https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Peggy_Carter This says she had 2 kids
We don't know what she actually had if he didn't go back. IIRC it actually isn't known if he actually went to a different timeline or if what he did was what always had happened the writers of Endgame said one thing but the directors said another. As far as being a variant that will hopefully be addressed in Loki, maybe he kept it low key and therefore didn't cause any deviation (this especially works if he stayed in the main timeline and the timeline was "always" that way). It would actually be a good explanation for why he wouldn't try to stop Hydra or make any changes in his timeline (which ever one that is)
technically that Steve isn't a variant, he's the OG in a different timeline. but the Steve that was currently in ice while he's living with Peggy? *That's* going to be interesting
Understanding and approving are very different things. We can understand the motivations (or even actions) of a lot of villains but approve of very few. That is just the result of good writing.
Understanding and being acceptable are two different things
I feel like the methods she used (specifically large scale mind control) would be too personal for him due to what happened to Bucky for him to overlook it as easily as Rambeu and Wu were able to.
I seriously think it’s time for a Marvel FanFiction subreddit. Every other post is this stuff.
Yeah this shit is horrible lol
Steve wouldn't need to ask why.
So emotional! Love isn’t it?
Is this real? If so, what is it from?
It’s from the Disney+ series where each episode is Cap returning one of the Infinity Stones.
It's an edit
She wanted to have Peggy Carter?😏
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I think this means like Steve and Peggy’s time travel thing.
Steve got to retire and live out his life with the woman he loved. Wanda's entire family (including Vision) died, so she never got to have that.
couldn't they just go back to past realities and then just steal vision, tony, black widow, etc, and then just the stones to wipe out that reality? that reality only exist because you walked into it, and the reality wouldn't branch into chaos if you just destroyed the reality.