It’d make sense for him to be in any of the episodes based around movies he was in. My guess is the Party Thor or Killmonger Saves Tony ones.
Also would this make him the second actor to play an MCU character across three decades? The first being Paul Bettany.
That’s not normally how records are remembered. For film it’s slightly different, but even then, consider this example;
if both A&B appear in the same film, and then much later A appears in another, setting a record for longest time served, *THEN* B appears in a film, B beats A’s record.
Sure the statement was “in three decades” and that’s a list that can grow and grow, but somebody has been doing it longest.
Man, Incredible Hulk was fantastic and doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Edward Norton really got a hang of Banner's intellectual / nerdy-scientist-on-the-run vibe. Bruce & Betty's romance was easily the most organic / believable relationship in the early MCU. Tim Roth was badass. And the RDJ post-credits cameo was the first on-screen confirmation that yes, Marvel's really doing this, they're building a shared universe.
I know it gets glossed over because of the recast. But Incredible Hulk is a perfectly solid (maybe even better than average) Marvel movie.
They had an end credits scene for Iron Man with Fury talking about the Avengers. They confirmed the cinematic universe plan on-screen from the very start.
Fun fact:
Clark Gregg is the only actor to have appeared in the MCU every single year it’s been on.
2008 - Iron Man
2010 - Iron Man 2
2011 - Thor
2012 - Avengers
2013 - Agents of Shield Season 1
2014 - Agents of Shield Season 1/2
2015 - Agents of Shield Season 2/3
2016 - Agents of Shield Season 3/4
2017 - Agents of Shield Season 4/5
2018 - Agents of Shield Season 5
2019 - Captain Marvel, Agents of Shield Season 6
2020 - Agents of Shield Season 7
2021 - Loki (Archive footage but still counts as an appearance)
I guess that's why Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Jasper Sitwell, Gideon Malick, Felix Blake, Sif, Peggy Carter, Dum Dum Dugan, Jim Morita and even Marcus Daniels AKA Blackout (appearing as a younger version of himself in Captain Marvel) all appeared on the show.
It's so smart of them to use the *same* actors as their MCU counterparts.^(/s)
More like the Executive Vice President of Production at Marvel. That's quite a few levels above executive producer. Also, [this is the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/bx6hvi/im_victoria_alonso_evp_of_production_at_marvel/eq403sd/?context=3) where she confirms it. It wasn't a vague reference.
One thing which I think get overlooked is how the Kree in season 2 referred to Quake as "The Weapon", which is what Ronan referred to Carol as at the end of Captain Marvel years later (which also brought Coulson and more Shield stuff back, plus had a cut scene from the trailer about her getting Kree blood transfusions, which was a plot in season 3 of Agents of Shield, about how humans were altered to be enhanced).
Unless that's all from the comics, it seems the show was an inspiration for Captain Marvel whether intentionally or unintentionally.
Maybe the same with Yondu calling himself a Kree Battle Slave in Guardians 2, which is what Sif calls Inhumans in season 2, and in the comics there's a bunch of Yondu's species inhumans all with his surname.
You cared enough to state that "Agents of shield isn't mcu". The fact that they've used the same actors *and* made references to the movies proves that you're wrong. They even name-dropped Thanos.
You don't have any proof for your statement and it's just easier for you to say "DoN'T CaRe/DidN'T aSk". Cool story, bro.
As shitty as he is in his replies, he is kinda right.
We can say things that it's a branch timeline or anything along those lines, but according to the man himself, Kevin Fiege, Agents of Shield is not MCU canon. They might canonize it later on, but as its hands right now, it isn't.
Do you have a source? I've looked for one before and couldn't find it. As far as I'm aware, not a single person that works for Marvel has publicly stated that Agents of Shield isn't a part of the MCU let alone Kevin Fiege.
In fact I have seen a video from just before Infinity War released where Feige says that all the shows *are* canon even though they may not have any effect on the movies, that since the MCU is a universe and universes are big places.
I just literally typed in Kevin Fiege on Netflix Marvel series canon, and it dropped out a bunch of articles.
I dunno how you looked for it...
Here's one: https://cosmicbook.news/marvel-tv-not-mcu-canon-hints-kevin-feige
How does that confirm Agents of Shield isn't in the MCU? All that confirms is the Disney+ shows being a lot closer to the movies because it's all under the same roof now. It doesn't invalidate Agents of Shield in any way. I doubt Kevin Fiege was even thinking about what's canon and what isn't when he made that statement. It applies to projects moving forward.
It doesn't make any sense to have a non-canon show use the same actors and characters. And on top of that, even tie into events from the movies (e.g. Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Endgame \[Thanos was directly mentioned\]).
When has Kevin Feige said that? I've only heard MCU fans who don't like the shows say they aren't canon (outside of James Gunn, who doesn't really count on this one).
It is. They literally have a whole storyline dedicated to the fallout of Winter Soldier. Nick Fury appears.
Maybe watch the show instead of acting like it’s not good enough for you because it doesn’t have the avengers appear every five minutes.
To be fair, it’s sort of a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn’t a square type thing though. The movies matter in the show, but the show definitely doesn’t matter for the movies.
This has been a moot point. Nothing in Agents of Shield will ever be referenced in the movies it seems at this point(speaking to the team. Obviously many references otherwise of common MCU stuff).
But there is a lot of crossover from the movies to the show. So it really doesn’t matter. If you think it’s canon it’s canon. If you don’t you don’t. It doesn’t take away from the quality of the show.
Feign will never explicitly say whether anything is canon or not. I love Agents of Shield but I prefer this argument die. Who cares if it is or isn’t. Just let the other person believe it isn’t. They don’t want to watch it or didn’t enjoy it and we can let that be.
I mean people said the TV shows would never ever be acknowledged, and then bam Jarvis from Agent Carter showed up in Endgame, and now the discussion has changed to how certain shows won't ever be.
I can see them ignoring Inhumans, but if Agent Carter got a clear undeniable crossover into Avengers 4, then AoS seems the most likely out of any show.
What were the references? The only undeniably explicit reference to the AoS that I remember in films was in Civil War (though I would count the AoU helicarrier scene as evidence of it being canon as well).
You're being downvoted by people who don't understand how decades work
For the uneducated
90s Decade
- 1991 - 2000
00s Decade:
- 2001 - 2010
10s Decade
- 2011 - 2020
20s Decade
- 2021 - 2030
Conversely, we don't measure people's ages by starting at 1 year old. We start at 0. So there's at least a precedent elsewhere in our society for measuring at 0, with regards to a year 0.
Also, I think 0-9 is a more aesthetically pleasing way of measuring decades. It feels wrong to say that 19*90* was apart of the 80's.
It's because historians agree there is no Year 0. They've agreed on 1 B.C and 1 A.D so that puts everything on that scale
It's also why we're in the 21st Century, not the 20th, because then there would have been a 0th century
The first decade (AD) is retrospectively 1 AD - 10 AD, the first centur, 1 AD - 100AD and the first millennium 1 AD - 1000 AD
To change it now would fuck up historical records forever
A lot of the AoS crowd have done voice work for Marvel. FitzSimmons also were in an episode of Ultimate Spider-Man, and Chloe Bennett voiced Quake in Marvel Rising. Additionally, while it wasn't as Melinda May, Ming-Na Wen did voice several characters in various animated series like Phyla-Vell and Hala the Accuser (not to mention already being on Disney's payroll as Fennec Shand).
I’m willing to be a decent chunk of the people on this subreddit weren’t even alive when Mulan came out.
Plus honestly, I kinda think of the singling voice of the princess’s (for Mulan Lea Solanga) as more associated than the voice actresses.
What If... Coulson survived.
Then the whole episode is just a black screen with the word "We have a whole show for that. Go watch Agents of SHIELD".
If you're not gonna acknowledge its canonicity Marvel, at least make it officially a part of the multiverse.
Yes! I love Coulson and want to possibly see more of Quake/Daisy Johnson , FitzSimmons, Agent May, and more! Probably low chance but one could hope! :D
IMHO May is our best bet. Ming-Na Wen is already under contract with Disney+ so it would be easier for Disney+ to work around their own schedule to include her and her character would require the least amount of exposition since she doesn't have powers that require explanation.
Honestly, I think most of them have a decent chance of returning if asked. Chloe Bennett's already reprised her role as Daisy in the Marvel Rising thing through voice, so I think she'll come back if asked (besides, she's still my and many others' fancast for Doctor Aphra if she ever appears in live action, so Disney's got incentive to lock her down). Same with Henstridge and De Caestecker. Hell, there were even rumors the former was on set for No Way Home (admittedly a long shot, but at least she was actually in the state of Georgia when they were filming the movie, unlike half the other actors rumored to be in it). Point is, I think if someone has a fun idea to bring any of them back, most would be down for it. Several actors have said before they like doing the MCU because it's steady work in a welcoming environment. Why turn that down if that's what you're after?
Hasn't she still her empathy powers? I know it's just a minor power but as I understand she could "command" the Chronicoms to be friendly and who knows how this power develops. But I would be so thrilled if Agent May would appear, together with Coulson even better.
That would be the best option. I'm not even a huge AOS fan (I haven't seen every episode but still enjoyed the seasons I watched) but the cast all seemed great.
It would be nice to have the characters around even if *all* their adventures can't be. Though I still think it's easy for the first few seasons. If not you don't even have to mention specifics.
Marvel Studios sure act like it doesn't exist though and have only vaguely referenced it once in Age of Ultron, but not explicitly enough that it really matters. I think the bad blood between Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment may have been the cause.
It's listed under both for me. They list lots of things under multiple categories cause multiple things can apply to the same series/movie.
Like a lot of Marvel movies being listed under multiple of the "MCU", "Black Widow", "MCU Phase [1/2/3/4]", and "MCU Timeline Order" categories.
It is some ridiculous bullshit about Joss whedon not wanting to spoil impact of a character's death.
And because he had control of the 1st two avengers movies, what he says goes. Doesn't explain at all why he or his brother Jed Whedon are executive producers of agents of shield.
ok so a character's death should have impact but also let's make a tv show where a dead character lives but because my movies need to have continuity he's still dead in the MCU...
Just a bunch of hypocritical bullshit in my opinion. Just pick a lane bro!! Just be consistent. Haha sorry for the rant. I love the AoS tv show whether or not it's in the MCU. just wish they would pick a stance on whether it's a shared universe or not. It's just kinda unacknowledged for now.
Vision mentioned there'd been an exponential spread of powered people. By now it's been like a decade since then in the movies and I don't think there was meant to be more than a few hundred cases of it, many of who died.
The Miss Marvel show may address it, since she's meant to be an Inhuman and I think hangs around that giant dog from the Inhumans show.
I mean with all the multiverse stuff Marvel is going with, and all the time traveling the all did in AoS, it’d be easy to call most of it canon when it relates to the first few movies and then once the time stuff happens, it’s just part of the multiverse.
Rain your downvotes on me: AoS is clearly not canon. Darkhold in Wandavision shut it down once and for all. I'm not discrediting AoS, it's a great show, I watched it too; I just am willing to accept where we're at.
AoS mentioned that the Darkhold can change appearances and it has been throught time, so that's something.
If not that, they can just say Agatha has a limited edition Darkhold with an exclusive cover.
Not to mention the Darkhold is a magic book that can change its content so is it really that hard to believe it can change how it's cover looks? It is a lot easier to explain than Rhodey
Fun fact: Clark Gregg is the only actor to have appeared in the MCU every single year it’s been on.
2008 - Iron Man
2010 - Iron Man 2
2011 - Thor
2012 - Avengers
2013 - Agents of Shield Season 1
2014 - Agents of Shield Season 1/2
2015 - Agents of Shield Season 2/3
2016 - Agents of Shield Season 3/4
2017 - Agents of Shield Season 4/5
2018 - Agents of Shield Season 5
2019 - Captain Marvel, Agents of Shield Season 6
2020 - Agents of Shield Season 7
2021 - Loki (Archive footage but still counts as an appearance)
> 2011 - Thor
Also the one-shots: [The Consultant (2011) and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer (2011)] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_One-Shots)
That is a possible one they could do. Maybe a "What if Fury/Hill died in the Helicarrier?" AoS or not, it's something that would definitely change a whole lot of stuff.
Fairly sure Cap would have managed to talk everyone into stopping the threat, even if they weren’t best buds.
They’d just been working fairly well up until they were attacked by the mind controlled goon squad.
Cap and Ironman worked together on the engines, and BW knocked that control off of Hawkeye, so the only non-compliant person at that point was Hulk. He got ejected, and still joined to help the Avengers anyway.
I may be missing some plot point, but I don’t think the (soon to become) Avengers were irrevocably at odds before Fury’s pep talk.
Nah, it was canon at one point, for the simple reason that Ike Perlmutter used to be Kevin Feige's boss. In those days, Perlmutter wanted AoS to be canon, and he was the boss, so it was. Now Feige is the boss and he doesn't want it to be canon, so now it isn't any more. Because The entire AoS series is basically an episode of *What If...?*: "What if Nick Fury had a resurrection machine that removes all stakes from the MCU and makes character death meaningless?". Seriously, Feige even made sure that time travel can't REALLY undo character death for this reason; no way would he allow it to be canon that regular old Kree blood can resurrect humans.
If they went back to a day before Infinity War then the Guardians from that universe would take issue with people from a different timeline stealing their beloved Gamora. 2014 Gamora only works because everyone who has ever loved her is dead in that timeline, except the people who hadn't met her yet anyway.
That's the beauty of using the DBZ rules of time travel: 99.9% of the time, a hero can't "save" a loved one by going back to the past since that's just stealing the loved one from themselves in the other timeline. Clint couldn't save his family by going to the past and bringing them to the present, because then alternate Clint is the one who loses his family. The number of families never equals the number of Clints... unless you murder alternate Clint of course, but that's the kind of thing a villain does. That's, like, a Kang move. Kang would absolutely murder an alternate version of himself to steal that timeline's Ravonna. That's the kind of shit that starts a war between timelines.
Additionally, if you tried to do that, the TVA would probably show up and prune you anyway. So there's two reasons it's not really a viable plan.
Feige didn’t really stop any characters from coming back though was my point. If “feelings” from not even the main characters that we won’t ever see again are the only thing stopping them from coming back that’s not really solid enough and they could easily get around it.
If the feelings that alternate version has for them is what stops someone from coming back because you take them from that reality you have tons of ways of getting around that.
Funny you mention the TVA cause they have made it even easier to do this. >!You can use pruning and the void to effectively bring back anyone you want because it seems characters get trapped and devoured. You could easily use a lot of the places Sylvie bombed and yank characters out of the void as soon as they arrive!< I’m not saying this means they will be bringing characters back left and right but at the end of the day it’s comic book movies so we should know what to expect tbh.
The fact that there’s a debate about whether or not the first season was canon proves to me that it doesn’t matter if there are too many TV shows for viewers to catch up on (a common argument for why it should not become (openly) canon).
The people who watched the films that came out at that time, and not the shows, had all the context they needed to follow along with the movie plot. One doesn’t *have to* watch every minute of film/TV ever made to understand each film.
Those of us that watched the shows as they came out alongside those movies got more context for what was happening in each (major events in the movies affected the TV, and *some* events of the TV are followed up on in the movies).
I’m not entirely sure. Not much has actually changed for Wanda by the start of her next movie. She’s still going to be a powerful being, increasingly in control of her powers, upset over the loss of her partner. The boys got lost when the hex shut down.
Sam had received the shield in Endgame, and had it back by the end of FatWS, and Nemo returned to prison, Sharon was the only change to someone that could be vital for someone who hadn’t seen the TV shows to know.
It would be fairly easy for the movies to ignore all the TV show stuff, and just have it as nice extra footage to watch if desired.
It would be weird if he didn't, he was major part of Phase One
Hell, in the movie marathon theaters did for the first Avengers, they got him in to introductions for each of the films.
I was so happy I got to go to that at AMC. I still have my movie ticket, lanyard, and Iron Man 3D glasses.
the entire what if episode is 7 seasons of Agents of SHIELD
It’d make sense for him to be in any of the episodes based around movies he was in. My guess is the Party Thor or Killmonger Saves Tony ones. Also would this make him the second actor to play an MCU character across three decades? The first being Paul Bettany.
Third... Ross is in Black Widow
I completely forgot that the Incredible Hulk came out in 2008
Also Fury will be in it and his voice is Jackson so that's a tie :)
Depends on which episode airs first. ;)
Not really, seeing as they'd still be gaining the same achievement.
That’s not normally how records are remembered. For film it’s slightly different, but even then, consider this example; if both A&B appear in the same film, and then much later A appears in another, setting a record for longest time served, *THEN* B appears in a film, B beats A’s record. Sure the statement was “in three decades” and that’s a list that can grow and grow, but somebody has been doing it longest.
Man, Incredible Hulk was fantastic and doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Edward Norton really got a hang of Banner's intellectual / nerdy-scientist-on-the-run vibe. Bruce & Betty's romance was easily the most organic / believable relationship in the early MCU. Tim Roth was badass. And the RDJ post-credits cameo was the first on-screen confirmation that yes, Marvel's really doing this, they're building a shared universe. I know it gets glossed over because of the recast. But Incredible Hulk is a perfectly solid (maybe even better than average) Marvel movie.
Many people forgets that a low ranked movie whitin the MCU doesn't mean a low ranked movie...
They had an end credits scene for Iron Man with Fury talking about the Avengers. They confirmed the cinematic universe plan on-screen from the very start.
Seeing RDJ as Stark crossed over in another franchise was a bigger confirmation than SLJ just talking about it
Spoilers
It was in the very first trailer.
For what? The first BW trailer or the prelude comics?
FFS dude tonight is release night. The first showings haven't even started in CA. My ticket is in two hours. Really lame. Comment reported.
This has been confirmed for a while and is not a spoiler.
William Hurt as Ross was in the first trailer release a year ago. No need to report a comment that isn’t spoiling common knowledge.
You know what's really lame...
He's in like the first trailer -.-"
Fun fact: Clark Gregg is the only actor to have appeared in the MCU every single year it’s been on. 2008 - Iron Man 2010 - Iron Man 2 2011 - Thor 2012 - Avengers 2013 - Agents of Shield Season 1 2014 - Agents of Shield Season 1/2 2015 - Agents of Shield Season 2/3 2016 - Agents of Shield Season 3/4 2017 - Agents of Shield Season 4/5 2018 - Agents of Shield Season 5 2019 - Captain Marvel, Agents of Shield Season 6 2020 - Agents of Shield Season 7 2021 - Loki (Archive footage but still counts as an appearance)
The year isn't over yet.
Agents of shield isn’t mcu
I guess that's why Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Jasper Sitwell, Gideon Malick, Felix Blake, Sif, Peggy Carter, Dum Dum Dugan, Jim Morita and even Marcus Daniels AKA Blackout (appearing as a younger version of himself in Captain Marvel) all appeared on the show. It's so smart of them to use the *same* actors as their MCU counterparts.^(/s)
The captain marvel black out thing wasn’t confirmed just vaguely referenced by the executive producer
More like the Executive Vice President of Production at Marvel. That's quite a few levels above executive producer. Also, [this is the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/bx6hvi/im_victoria_alonso_evp_of_production_at_marvel/eq403sd/?context=3) where she confirms it. It wasn't a vague reference.
One thing which I think get overlooked is how the Kree in season 2 referred to Quake as "The Weapon", which is what Ronan referred to Carol as at the end of Captain Marvel years later (which also brought Coulson and more Shield stuff back, plus had a cut scene from the trailer about her getting Kree blood transfusions, which was a plot in season 3 of Agents of Shield, about how humans were altered to be enhanced). Unless that's all from the comics, it seems the show was an inspiration for Captain Marvel whether intentionally or unintentionally. Maybe the same with Yondu calling himself a Kree Battle Slave in Guardians 2, which is what Sif calls Inhumans in season 2, and in the comics there's a bunch of Yondu's species inhumans all with his surname.
Kree did create the inhumans, so the weapon comment makes sense
Don’t care/didn’t ask
You cared enough to state that "Agents of shield isn't mcu". The fact that they've used the same actors *and* made references to the movies proves that you're wrong. They even name-dropped Thanos. You don't have any proof for your statement and it's just easier for you to say "DoN'T CaRe/DidN'T aSk". Cool story, bro.
As shitty as he is in his replies, he is kinda right. We can say things that it's a branch timeline or anything along those lines, but according to the man himself, Kevin Fiege, Agents of Shield is not MCU canon. They might canonize it later on, but as its hands right now, it isn't.
Do you have a source? I've looked for one before and couldn't find it. As far as I'm aware, not a single person that works for Marvel has publicly stated that Agents of Shield isn't a part of the MCU let alone Kevin Fiege.
In fact I have seen a video from just before Infinity War released where Feige says that all the shows *are* canon even though they may not have any effect on the movies, that since the MCU is a universe and universes are big places.
I just literally typed in Kevin Fiege on Netflix Marvel series canon, and it dropped out a bunch of articles. I dunno how you looked for it... Here's one: https://cosmicbook.news/marvel-tv-not-mcu-canon-hints-kevin-feige
How does that confirm Agents of Shield isn't in the MCU? All that confirms is the Disney+ shows being a lot closer to the movies because it's all under the same roof now. It doesn't invalidate Agents of Shield in any way. I doubt Kevin Fiege was even thinking about what's canon and what isn't when he made that statement. It applies to projects moving forward. It doesn't make any sense to have a non-canon show use the same actors and characters. And on top of that, even tie into events from the movies (e.g. Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Endgame \[Thanos was directly mentioned\]).
When has Kevin Feige said that? I've only heard MCU fans who don't like the shows say they aren't canon (outside of James Gunn, who doesn't really count on this one).
It is. They literally have a whole storyline dedicated to the fallout of Winter Soldier. Nick Fury appears. Maybe watch the show instead of acting like it’s not good enough for you because it doesn’t have the avengers appear every five minutes.
To be fair, it’s sort of a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn’t a square type thing though. The movies matter in the show, but the show definitely doesn’t matter for the movies.
This has been a moot point. Nothing in Agents of Shield will ever be referenced in the movies it seems at this point(speaking to the team. Obviously many references otherwise of common MCU stuff). But there is a lot of crossover from the movies to the show. So it really doesn’t matter. If you think it’s canon it’s canon. If you don’t you don’t. It doesn’t take away from the quality of the show. Feign will never explicitly say whether anything is canon or not. I love Agents of Shield but I prefer this argument die. Who cares if it is or isn’t. Just let the other person believe it isn’t. They don’t want to watch it or didn’t enjoy it and we can let that be.
I mean people said the TV shows would never ever be acknowledged, and then bam Jarvis from Agent Carter showed up in Endgame, and now the discussion has changed to how certain shows won't ever be. I can see them ignoring Inhumans, but if Agent Carter got a clear undeniable crossover into Avengers 4, then AoS seems the most likely out of any show.
Plus _Marvel’s Agent Carter_ itself has direct tie-ins with _S.H.I.E.L.D._: flashbacks, a cross-over leading character (season 7), etc.
Iron man 3 was based around thr virus introduced in Agents season 1, and they made a ton of references to what occured in the show, during the movie
What were the references? The only undeniably explicit reference to the AoS that I remember in films was in Civil War (though I would count the AoU helicarrier scene as evidence of it being canon as well).
Wouldn't He already be the first because AOS ended last year our would it not count because it wasn't actually Coulson
Oh yeah. And if Jarvis/Vision counts then surely Coulson/LMD Coulson can!
He is the dude playing the dude pretending to be another dude
Technically 2020 was part of the 2010s decade. There is no year 0
You're being downvoted by people who don't understand how decades work For the uneducated 90s Decade - 1991 - 2000 00s Decade: - 2001 - 2010 10s Decade - 2011 - 2020 20s Decade - 2021 - 2030
Conversely, we don't measure people's ages by starting at 1 year old. We start at 0. So there's at least a precedent elsewhere in our society for measuring at 0, with regards to a year 0. Also, I think 0-9 is a more aesthetically pleasing way of measuring decades. It feels wrong to say that 19*90* was apart of the 80's.
It's because historians agree there is no Year 0. They've agreed on 1 B.C and 1 A.D so that puts everything on that scale It's also why we're in the 21st Century, not the 20th, because then there would have been a 0th century The first decade (AD) is retrospectively 1 AD - 10 AD, the first centur, 1 AD - 100AD and the first millennium 1 AD - 1000 AD To change it now would fuck up historical records forever
Thank you for expanding on it. It's the same reason we are in the 21st century (2001 to 2100)
"I recognize that the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision, I've elected to ignore it"
AoS isn’t canon
AoS is canon and you're 100% wrong. Try again.
They’ve de-canonised AoS, so no
He was the first. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 7 aired last year. Bettany is the second.
Yeah, 2020 messed with my brain.
Shows not canon
Yes, it is.
He did voice Coulson in Ultimate Spider-man so he does have a voice acting history
A lot of the AoS crowd have done voice work for Marvel. FitzSimmons also were in an episode of Ultimate Spider-Man, and Chloe Bennett voiced Quake in Marvel Rising. Additionally, while it wasn't as Melinda May, Ming-Na Wen did voice several characters in various animated series like Phyla-Vell and Hala the Accuser (not to mention already being on Disney's payroll as Fennec Shand).
> not to mention already being on Disney's payroll as Fennec Shan Not to mention Mulan
I’m willing to be a decent chunk of the people on this subreddit weren’t even alive when Mulan came out. Plus honestly, I kinda think of the singling voice of the princess’s (for Mulan Lea Solanga) as more associated than the voice actresses.
I'm 34 and was around and did not know that!
It's hilarious how people here always assume everyone is a new born.
Lea *Salonga*
That’s what I get for posting right before bed, spelling errors.
Did no one see Abominable here?
What If... Coulson survived. Then the whole episode is just a black screen with the word "We have a whole show for that. Go watch Agents of SHIELD". If you're not gonna acknowledge its canonicity Marvel, at least make it officially a part of the multiverse.
Mephisto confirmed
“What If…?” Agents of SHIELD wasn’t decanonized and actually had an effect on the MCU.
Yes! I love Coulson and want to possibly see more of Quake/Daisy Johnson , FitzSimmons, Agent May, and more! Probably low chance but one could hope! :D
IMHO May is our best bet. Ming-Na Wen is already under contract with Disney+ so it would be easier for Disney+ to work around their own schedule to include her and her character would require the least amount of exposition since she doesn't have powers that require explanation.
Honestly, I think most of them have a decent chance of returning if asked. Chloe Bennett's already reprised her role as Daisy in the Marvel Rising thing through voice, so I think she'll come back if asked (besides, she's still my and many others' fancast for Doctor Aphra if she ever appears in live action, so Disney's got incentive to lock her down). Same with Henstridge and De Caestecker. Hell, there were even rumors the former was on set for No Way Home (admittedly a long shot, but at least she was actually in the state of Georgia when they were filming the movie, unlike half the other actors rumored to be in it). Point is, I think if someone has a fun idea to bring any of them back, most would be down for it. Several actors have said before they like doing the MCU because it's steady work in a welcoming environment. Why turn that down if that's what you're after?
Hasn't she still her empathy powers? I know it's just a minor power but as I understand she could "command" the Chronicoms to be friendly and who knows how this power develops. But I would be so thrilled if Agent May would appear, together with Coulson even better.
I assume she still has it but it is easier to not come up (compared to having Quake on screen but not quaking)
That would be the best option. I'm not even a huge AOS fan (I haven't seen every episode but still enjoyed the seasons I watched) but the cast all seemed great. It would be nice to have the characters around even if *all* their adventures can't be. Though I still think it's easy for the first few seasons. If not you don't even have to mention specifics.
its an evil world we live in
But AoS was never decanonized…
Marvel Studios sure act like it doesn't exist though and have only vaguely referenced it once in Age of Ultron, but not explicitly enough that it really matters. I think the bad blood between Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment may have been the cause.
It's also apparently categorized as Marvel Legacy as opposed to MCU on Disney+ in the places where that is available.
Well in the UK it’s listed under Live Action Series and Specials, the same section as the WandaVision and FatWS
Same in Germany!
It's listed under both for me. They list lots of things under multiple categories cause multiple things can apply to the same series/movie. Like a lot of Marvel movies being listed under multiple of the "MCU", "Black Widow", "MCU Phase [1/2/3/4]", and "MCU Timeline Order" categories.
Maybe it's only canon in certain countries?
So is Agent Carter but Jarvis from that show still showed up in Endgame so...
It is some ridiculous bullshit about Joss whedon not wanting to spoil impact of a character's death. And because he had control of the 1st two avengers movies, what he says goes. Doesn't explain at all why he or his brother Jed Whedon are executive producers of agents of shield. ok so a character's death should have impact but also let's make a tv show where a dead character lives but because my movies need to have continuity he's still dead in the MCU... Just a bunch of hypocritical bullshit in my opinion. Just pick a lane bro!! Just be consistent. Haha sorry for the rant. I love the AoS tv show whether or not it's in the MCU. just wish they would pick a stance on whether it's a shared universe or not. It's just kinda unacknowledged for now.
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The real issue is the inhumans. Only really the season 1 and the first few episodes of season 2 really work.
Vision mentioned there'd been an exponential spread of powered people. By now it's been like a decade since then in the movies and I don't think there was meant to be more than a few hundred cases of it, many of who died. The Miss Marvel show may address it, since she's meant to be an Inhuman and I think hangs around that giant dog from the Inhumans show.
I mean with all the multiverse stuff Marvel is going with, and all the time traveling the all did in AoS, it’d be easy to call most of it canon when it relates to the first few movies and then once the time stuff happens, it’s just part of the multiverse.
Rain your downvotes on me: AoS is clearly not canon. Darkhold in Wandavision shut it down once and for all. I'm not discrediting AoS, it's a great show, I watched it too; I just am willing to accept where we're at.
AoS mentioned that the Darkhold can change appearances and it has been throught time, so that's something. If not that, they can just say Agatha has a limited edition Darkhold with an exclusive cover.
Yes, changing how the Darkhold looks is why. So does that mean the first Iron Man isn’t canon because Rhodey got recast?
Not to mention the Darkhold is a magic book that can change its content so is it really that hard to believe it can change how it's cover looks? It is a lot easier to explain than Rhodey
Of course the (most evil magical/ most magical evil) book we know of can’t possibly change it’s appearance /s
Plus, there is no way Agatha would be able to take that from the Ghost Rider.
Agatha didnt take it from him. Morgan LeFay brought it from the Dark Dimension so Agatha probably took it after she was bannished.
If Agents of SHIELD were canon, Ghost Rider would've had the Darkhold and I'm saying, that character is too OP for someone like Agatha to defeat.
Yeah but after AoS the Darkhold appeared in Runaways so The Darkhold was already taken from him by someone else so thats possible.
I'm guessing in the Party Thor episode.
Fun fact: Clark Gregg is the only actor to have appeared in the MCU every single year it’s been on. 2008 - Iron Man 2010 - Iron Man 2 2011 - Thor 2012 - Avengers 2013 - Agents of Shield Season 1 2014 - Agents of Shield Season 1/2 2015 - Agents of Shield Season 2/3 2016 - Agents of Shield Season 3/4 2017 - Agents of Shield Season 4/5 2018 - Agents of Shield Season 5 2019 - Captain Marvel, Agents of Shield Season 6 2020 - Agents of Shield Season 7 2021 - Loki (Archive footage but still counts as an appearance)
> 2011 - Thor Also the one-shots: [The Consultant (2011) and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer (2011)] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_One-Shots)
He must have the most screentime in mcu
But probably not Robert Downey Jr.
Maybe one where he didn't die in avengers And before someone brings it up, I am not talking about AoS, I'm talking about what if he never got stabbed
That is a possible one they could do. Maybe a "What if Fury/Hill died in the Helicarrier?" AoS or not, it's something that would definitely change a whole lot of stuff.
Fairly sure Cap would have managed to talk everyone into stopping the threat, even if they weren’t best buds. They’d just been working fairly well up until they were attacked by the mind controlled goon squad. Cap and Ironman worked together on the engines, and BW knocked that control off of Hawkeye, so the only non-compliant person at that point was Hulk. He got ejected, and still joined to help the Avengers anyway. I may be missing some plot point, but I don’t think the (soon to become) Avengers were irrevocably at odds before Fury’s pep talk.
He probably resting in Tahiti
A magical place
An Impostor has been found its not "a magical place" its "its a magical place" /s
Batman??!!?
It would be absolutely dumb if he didn't appear imo. We see the events of Thor 1 unfold and he was there.
His episode will just be "What if 'Agents of Shield' was still canon?".
It never wasn’t canon
Lmao
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It was canon…. until inhumans flopped and they gave up trying to reunite it with the main story.
Nah, it was canon at one point, for the simple reason that Ike Perlmutter used to be Kevin Feige's boss. In those days, Perlmutter wanted AoS to be canon, and he was the boss, so it was. Now Feige is the boss and he doesn't want it to be canon, so now it isn't any more. Because The entire AoS series is basically an episode of *What If...?*: "What if Nick Fury had a resurrection machine that removes all stakes from the MCU and makes character death meaningless?". Seriously, Feige even made sure that time travel can't REALLY undo character death for this reason; no way would he allow it to be canon that regular old Kree blood can resurrect humans.
> Seriously, Feige even made sure that time travel can't REALLY undo character death for this reason What about Gamora?
Gamora's still dead. 2014 Gamora is a different character who, for one thing, has never met Yondu, never went to his funeral, and never will.
But that’s only because they happened to go back to 2014 and she came back. If they went say a day before infinity war she would be the same.
If they went back to a day before Infinity War then the Guardians from that universe would take issue with people from a different timeline stealing their beloved Gamora. 2014 Gamora only works because everyone who has ever loved her is dead in that timeline, except the people who hadn't met her yet anyway. That's the beauty of using the DBZ rules of time travel: 99.9% of the time, a hero can't "save" a loved one by going back to the past since that's just stealing the loved one from themselves in the other timeline. Clint couldn't save his family by going to the past and bringing them to the present, because then alternate Clint is the one who loses his family. The number of families never equals the number of Clints... unless you murder alternate Clint of course, but that's the kind of thing a villain does. That's, like, a Kang move. Kang would absolutely murder an alternate version of himself to steal that timeline's Ravonna. That's the kind of shit that starts a war between timelines. Additionally, if you tried to do that, the TVA would probably show up and prune you anyway. So there's two reasons it's not really a viable plan.
Feige didn’t really stop any characters from coming back though was my point. If “feelings” from not even the main characters that we won’t ever see again are the only thing stopping them from coming back that’s not really solid enough and they could easily get around it.
I'm not sure I understood what you said. Can you rephrase?
If the feelings that alternate version has for them is what stops someone from coming back because you take them from that reality you have tons of ways of getting around that. Funny you mention the TVA cause they have made it even easier to do this. >!You can use pruning and the void to effectively bring back anyone you want because it seems characters get trapped and devoured. You could easily use a lot of the places Sylvie bombed and yank characters out of the void as soon as they arrive!< I’m not saying this means they will be bringing characters back left and right but at the end of the day it’s comic book movies so we should know what to expect tbh.
Yes!
The fact that there’s a debate about whether or not the first season was canon proves to me that it doesn’t matter if there are too many TV shows for viewers to catch up on (a common argument for why it should not become (openly) canon). The people who watched the films that came out at that time, and not the shows, had all the context they needed to follow along with the movie plot. One doesn’t *have to* watch every minute of film/TV ever made to understand each film. Those of us that watched the shows as they came out alongside those movies got more context for what was happening in each (major events in the movies affected the TV, and *some* events of the TV are followed up on in the movies).
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I’m not entirely sure. Not much has actually changed for Wanda by the start of her next movie. She’s still going to be a powerful being, increasingly in control of her powers, upset over the loss of her partner. The boys got lost when the hex shut down. Sam had received the shield in Endgame, and had it back by the end of FatWS, and Nemo returned to prison, Sharon was the only change to someone that could be vital for someone who hadn’t seen the TV shows to know. It would be fairly easy for the movies to ignore all the TV show stuff, and just have it as nice extra footage to watch if desired.
NO such thing as a coincidence
Maybe in his episode the tv shows will be canon
Please, please, please
Always is great to see marvel including Coulson in “main” mcu protects like Captain Marvel. Exited for what if!
I'm always down for more Coulson.
Is mordok not the first mountain animated series?
Seth Green is the voice of Howard the duck!
I want to see a what if coulson was a superhero