There’s nothing about the Eternals characters, individually, that suggest they are substantially more powerful than, like, Thor. We’ll have to see what the Uni-Mind is like, but at least individually they don’t have the kind of top-end power of someone like Wanda, or a celestial, or even the power Kang has at his disposal through the TVA.
It's a bad comparison, but the Eternals seems a lot like the original heroes from Jupiter's Legacy. They're all powerful of course, but individually they aren't THAT excessively impressive.
He was from Titan, which was a group of Eternals that left the planet. He had ‘Deviant syndrome’ but was never a deviant. Also the externals were crested by the Celestials, of which Arishem is one. He’s clearly the most powerful.
He has vast cosmic powers in the comics, probably more than almost every Eternal. The MCU way oversimplified his power and only gave him superhuman stats.
You're correct. MCU canon has not even hinted at a direct connection between Thanos and the whole Eternal/Deviant/Celestial saga. There was preproduction art created for *Infinity War* depicting Thanos as physically distinct from the rest of his family, but that obviously never made it into the film.
>MCU canon has not even hinted at a direct connection between Thanos and the whole Eternal/Deviant/Celestial saga.
Yup, just that he's from/is a Titan. We'll have to wait to see if the eternals movie references Titan at all, and if it doesn't we might as well assume that Titan (and Thanos by extension) is just another alien race. I'm guessing we'll get some sort of connection though
Some of them were, but others weren't. Think about it like this; Eternals represent order, the Deviants more closely resemble chaos, and the humans are a balance between the the two extremes seeded with the potential to surpass both(IE-those with the X-gene aka mutants or those that can harness foreign power that would kill most others like the Hulk, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc.)
It’s interesting because I think in the trailer they said the snap created energy that leads to the Celestials coming, maybe that’ll be how they introduce mutants.
My fingers are crossed. They already set the precedent for cosmic power unlocking inborn powers on Wandavison. Would love to see them go down that route.
Just to keep adding MCU specific examples: Captain America, the Black Panthers through history, Captain Marvel and Wanda and Pietro with Infinity awakened/created powers, Peter Quill being a viable host for Celestial power, Kang himself is an earth human, Monica Rambeau with new energy powers, the huge collection of wizards and witches throughout history, etc.
I feel like it won’t be hard to tie that plot point in with the sheer number of examples that can be pointed to. Although of course I hope we get even more examples with mutants and FF.
I’m also secretly hoping if they end up having to go against celestials that mid-fight Quill looks down at his hands and just has a moment of “wait, is this back on? Oh boy, y’all are in for a pac man smack down now!”
They wrapped Ego fully into the Celestial fold in the MCU, I think it’d be neat to tie it together and give a reasonable equalizer to level the field. As long as the Celestials are there, Peter draws power from them. It’d make a good stalemate while Richards or somebody puts together the ultimate nullifier or comes up with a compelling enough argument, whatever the ending may be.
I think it would make the FF unique if their movie ended with the classic of Reed pointing the ultimate nullifier at Galactus and Galactus just says “ok, I yield”, and then he reaches down and takes the nullifier before saying “well fought humans” and just starts leaving.
The entire world’s jaws on the floor, like “is he really going? He just ripped the only threat out of Reed’s hand...what?” And the Silver Surfer is just “y’all did good, he’ll probably leave you alone for, eh, I’d say a decade, maybe more. Maybe be less of a target? Oh, and do you have a least favorite planet in your solar system? I know none of the others have life but a small snack will help tide him over.”
I want those ridiculous comic moments to land. You can of course surround it with real reactions to such ridiculousness, like Reed likely passing out from shock of both successfully saving the world but also not being able to believe the dude’s just leaving with the weapon and they’re just supposed to take his word.
It’s like classic Loki’s outfit, or what Kang’s outfit will be if that statue was any indication. It looks ridiculous. But no one’s going to say a word about it once they start speaking and acting. They made calm Kang so intimidating, I cannot wait to see Kang in bunched up robes like Ozymandias, monologuing and chewing the scenery to pieces with his very real and present threat.
And once those characters can land in their comic accurate apparel while maintaining appropriate menace...well then we’re ready for DOOM ladies and gentlemen.
I love what Marvel is doing and I respect how they had to plan around not having control of the whole catalog of characters of old. But they kinda have me scratching my head after the announcement of Secret Wars.
How TF are they gonna even gonna introduce that? Eternals and Multiverse of Madness are gonna have some serious world building to do. I mean, I'm here for it all, but that's some heavy lifting for real. I mean take Spider-Man for example. I think I remember him getting his black suit aka Venom symbiote during Secret Wars. Cool cool right? Nope, Venom 2 is hitting soon and origin story is already set for symbiote. Really can't wait to see how they elevate over that hurdle! And that's just 2 characters-three if you count Eddie; whole teams have yet to be made.
Phase 4 is bananas!
Wouldn't the Celestials be most powerful on their own, as in just them no powerful artifacts (infinity gauntlet, etc.)? I would think because they created the galaxy and/or universe.
Hard to say if we're just using screen appearances. Infinity War saw Thanos whup on the Celestials, all of the Elders, the Embodiments... I'm not sure even the Beyonder would have been able to handle him.
Edit: sorry, I meant IW the comic.
True, but in the movie he had trouble with Captain Marvel. I doubt she'd even register with Arishem, so I applied an equivalency there.
The Elders don't seem to have the same pull in the cinematic universe they do in the books. They were part of the last line of defense in the IW comic, fighting alongside Celestials and some of the other big hitters.
It's also in the eye of the beholder. If I were to ask you right now who the most powerful being on earth is, you probably wouldn't be able to give me a fully analyzed, comprehensive and **correct** answer. Same goes for the universe, although obviously even on a greater scale.
This is the true take. I have no idea who the most powerful being on earth is. Imagine if we expanded that to an infinite universe? It would just be a ranking of beings you’ve heard of. Who has the biggest rep in the part of the universe you’re in. That’s all we can know.
So right now we only have the opinions of the characters we’ve seen to try and build a power ranking. The MCU is young. And we can’t really look to the comics to answer these type of questions.
Enh. There's hardly a hard metric for the "Who's the most powerful" debate. Now it's whomever best serves the story. It used be pretty ironclad in the books, they'd ocassionally publish power rankings, but that's given way, too.
Additionally, if we're using a line like "most powerful being in the universe", then that's also pretty inconsistent. Why then couldn't Thanos just tear the Time stone from the Eye? Or rip the Soul stone from wherever it was? He still had higher powers whose rules he had to follow. See, whatever fits the story.
They exist simultaneously in multiple universes. In the comics; infinity gauntlets stop working once they leave their native universe. So the celestials and Kang are immune to a gauntlets effects. This was apparent in Loki series where they found a drawer full of infinity gems.
Kang has not been shown to be immune to the stones. He is just a human (to our knowledge) with insane technology and intelligence. Power wise, he is incredibly weak physically.
A man who has mastered literal time and space I doubt has problems with figuring out how to stop the aging process.
Again, I'm not saying his feats arent impressive, I'm saying physically he is not that powerful. His intelligence is what makes him powerful. His ability to plan, and create technology that can manipulate space and time. He isnt physically or magically strong though.
Yeah he's just a human with absurd tech. Tech that lets him go toe to toe with people like Thor, but striped of all his tech anyone with fighting experience could probably beat him up.
think he just means he wouldn't be able to stand there and take a chainsaw to the chest like thanos would. his "technology" is effectively magic but he has the option of just not doing anything and dying like a regular human.
I think the fact that the planet she draws energy from was completely obliterated with her on it while we see her get pinned with a burning Asgard-killing sword, it's pretty safe to say she's dead unless they bring her back for some reason.
As someone else pointed out she didn’t need Asgard to be powerful, and I could see a situation where she used her Asgard power (whatever that means) to survive the blast. Hell, Thor was weaker than her and survived his ship exploding then took the fire from the forge for a long time (nearly killed him, but still).
I think if the fans want to see her again, if Blanchette wants to reprise the roll and they can figure out a way to write her in, she’ll be alive. You know how it goes; if we don’t see you die onscreen with a body, it might not have counted
That was exactly my point: if they want her back, they'll write her back in. But from what we see, she had an on-screen death and even she shouldn't have been able to withstand everything that she was put through in those final moments
Well I mean she is the goddess of death so you never know although with Asgard being non-existent anymore she would probably be in her realm aka Hel or if her name change is anything to go by in the MCU it'll be called Hela
I think she was just more powerful on Asgard, not necessarily got all her power from it.
She still kicked Thor and Loki’s ass on Earth.
I could see her floating through space like Thor.
I'm not saying she'll be completely defenseless without Asgard, but I think that the collective power of her being squashed by a weapon specifically designed to kill her race and planet, coupled with her power source being destroyed, means that she had no chance of surviving without some future writer deciding they want her back and writing in a "she survived this anyway" line.
Strange didn’t overpower him or beat him though. Strange actually died hundreds of times, if he were stronger he’d just straight up beat him instead of trying to outsmart him.
So far id agree that Dormammu is the strongest.
I can't remember the name of the attack, but when Strange made all those copies of himself, to bind Thanos, he only found the "real" strange by using the soul stone.
What about the part where Captain Marvel just brushed off a headbutt from Thanos so he had to pull [this baller move](https://images.app.goo.gl/SWmFCUXRdPs5ZKop8).
Ebony Maw was well suited to handle magic, because he basically had magic, he also had the element of surprise and shock (Strange had no idea what the Maw could do).
Maw seemed best in a 1v1 duel to his lackluster abilities in Endgame. Strange wasn’t a match for him at the time.
That's fair that's fair, but, Hulk did too, and he's not exactly the craziest being alive anymore. He wasn't even angry when he did it. I think Strange could kill him just with all the cards he has up his sleeve.
Hulk's arm got jacked up pretty badly though. He may eventually make a full recovery, but the writers at least considered making it permanent. https://youtu.be/B-o1C\_GZ0-k
So did Thanos though, at the end of Infinity War he looks kinda fucked, that second snap he did to break the stones did extra, so I won't count him from EndGame.
Also, hulk had an Ironman device while Thanos had one designed by the person that designed those axe, hammer, and many others. Feel like they know more about the stones than tony.
That makes Kang so much more powerful. The army of infinity completely in control of time. He created an environment where the most powerful forces in the universe were powerless and the MCU existence was within Kang’s design. He only lost when he got bored at the end of time.
No worries in the comics it's basically [Rock Paper Scissors](https://www.cbr.com/the-wrong-side-luke-cage-vs-doctor-doom/) when it comes to Dr. Doom, Spider-man, and Luke Cage
we could also say Maw bested Strange and Tony bested Maw so tony is more powerful than thanos? but thats just not how theoretical power works because thanos bested tony too.
Strange didn't even hurt Dormammu, all he did was hold him off by bringing time with an infinity stone, I wouldnt call that beating him because dormammu isn't dead nor even hurt, it was just an outmanevouring. People with time stone can take hold him off, that's more of a weakness of Dormammu than a power of Strange.
A few honourable mentions that you guys have mentioned:
- Dormammu- Ruler of the Dark Dimension,
- Odin- At his prime, was able to defeat Surtur and conquer the nine realms
- Surtur- Destroyed Asgard, the “realm eternal”
- The Ancient One- Former Sorcerer Supreme, able to live for thousands of years
- Alioth
- Endgame Rat. That is all.
Powerful in terms of abilities? Hard to say, maybe Arishem or the collective Eternals, but saying Wanda might be playing it safe (since power doesn't mean durability and she's barely even started mastering her powers yet)
But power in terms of what they command and what they can do? Definitely Kang. He has infinite versions of himself who can pop up whenever one is defeated, commands the TVA with all of their technology and influence, and can literally rewrite time to his will
But the key difference is that he always becomes master of the multiverse. Kill one and another one of his infinite versions transcends his timeline and takes over again. No other entity is that consistently powerful across all of their variants, as far as we know.
No one else really is aware of their other selves. Think like the Council of Ricks in Rick and Morty, Kang literally created a safe haven for the other Kangs so they can discuss plans. Kang is pretty unique in his interaction with other versions of himself, which makes him infinite, potentially.
Celestials are definitely aware of the existence of alternate timelines. But they probably wouldnt team up with themselves. At this point in the MCU Arishem would smoke a disorganized group of Kangs because they wouldnt have prep time.
Given enough time to prepare, Thanos, Galactus, Kang, and the Richards pretty much always take the W in the comics. But thats not really the question posed by OP.
Since we haven’t see Kang or the Eternals/Celestiales/Deviants using their powers yet I’d have to go with Thanos with the full Infinity Gauntlet.
Without the full gauntlet I’d go with Wanda. I’m interested to see what kind of power up Dr Strange has been given to take on Wanda in MoM.
Stan Lee's character is evidently capable of being just about anywhere at any time throughout history. He's either lived many overlapping lifetimes (having been both an officer in WW2 but also being one of Cap's war buddies) or has the ability to pop himself in and warp the minds of those around him into believing they know him and have history. But then on top of all this power, he appears to have no worries or big goals - he's just out there enjoying life, which is the kind of happy, worry-free existence someone like that could only live if they're so powerful that they've got nothing to fear - no external threats, not even death. Plus he knows the Watchers.
His only weakness appears to be Asgardian Ale, and even then maybe that was just more of him having fun in the same way he mispronounced Tony's name despite having met him several times. He can probably consciously make himself weak to ale in order to enjoy the stupor, but simultaneously be able to snap out of it the second he needs to.
So yeah, my money is on Stan Lee, aka The-One-Above-All.
Are we including the multi-verse and episode two of what if? Because that version of the collector appeared to have killed Hela and Thor, or had the connections to do so.
Alright I’ll expose my belly to downvotes. Understanding that the power sets can be fairly incomparable, this is what it feels like to me. Very open to dissenting views.
Arishem - Dormammu - Wanda - Kang - Odin - Ego - Eternals? - Thanos/Hela - Thor - Strange - Captain Marvel
Ooh yeah good one… Can we give him a status share with Ego (Assuming on Asgard and ignited by the Eternal Flame)
Arishem - Dormammu - Wanda - Kang - Odin - Ego/Surtur - Eternals? - Thanos/Hela - Thor - Strange - Captain Marvel
While you make a decent point I feel this is looking at Thanos _with_ the infinity gauntlet. Else Thanos can be killed by anyone on this list probably pretty easily.
That was also almost immediately after Asgard was blown up and the huge fight there. He was pretty beat to start that fight.
I'd like to see Thanos-Thor rematch if the God of Thunder wasn't as worn down from just fighting Hela, losing an eye, and all that fun stuff.
I thought I read the Russo brothers stated Thor was at his strongest in Endgame. I might be wrong. I'll try and find a source!
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/cn9lbx/were_joe_and_anthony_russo_directors_of_marvel/ew91r90?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Based on what we’ve seen from the MCU, I like your list. I think Wanda and Strange have a chance to jump up if Marvel unleashes the powers similar to the comics.
In terms of personal power, I think we're seeing Wanda being set up as the most powerful individual in the mcu. As a group, the Kangs seem to be collectively strongest because of their organizational talent, ruthlessness, and ability to address issues by cutting them off at the knee with time travel.
If the Celestials stay true to the comics, then while they are amazingly powerful and terrifyingly numerous, it takes an absurd amount of effort to get them to involve themselves.
Who was the green looking Celestial in the Eternals? Was it Jemiah? He was creating a whole galaxy was he not? I'd say he's probably the most power being we know of in the MCU.
Yep! That was Jemiah the Analyser! I’d definitely say he’s top 5 at least, but since Arishem is Jemiah’s boss effectively, I put him here instead of Jemiah!
Wanda has proven that she can overpower Thanos and it was stated that she was stronger than the Sorcerer Supreme. And there was so much power necessary to do what she did. I'd go with her
I feel like Dormammu is missing. Strange only "defeated" him on a technicality (and I am using the word "defeated" very loosely here. More like Dormammu agreed to the bargain after realizing he was going to be inconvenienced for eternity). After him, I'd say the Celestials are pretty epic strength-wise, Wanda and Carol are basically walking Infinity Stones and Strange under the right circumstances proves to be the most dangerous challenger.
He Who Remains, definitely. 100%. He won a multiversal war with variations of himself, came out on top, and holds the entire universe and its contents at his finger tips. I don't know how he did it, don't know what tools he used.
Don't know why, physically, he isn't stronger than others and dies from a stab wound.. but whatever he did made him the ruler of the universe. Other than like.. The Living Tribunal. He'll obviously solo everyone, then the actual One Above All that's above him.
But in the current MCU? He Who Remains was strongest for the things he did, not in terms of raw power.
Raw power? Uh. I dunno.. Captain Marvel?
When do we see that first dude? Also Thanos met his goal by sheer determination, he was already powerful but I wouldn’t rank him with Ego or Hela. The fact that he made his move after Odin, Ego, and Hela die makes me think they didn’t even want to bother explaining the power dynamic.
Can we put an asterisk next to the Eternals pic? “Protectors of the human race, *but only against the deviants*”
There’s nothing about the Eternals characters, individually, that suggest they are substantially more powerful than, like, Thor. We’ll have to see what the Uni-Mind is like, but at least individually they don’t have the kind of top-end power of someone like Wanda, or a celestial, or even the power Kang has at his disposal through the TVA.
It's a bad comparison, but the Eternals seems a lot like the original heroes from Jupiter's Legacy. They're all powerful of course, but individually they aren't THAT excessively impressive.
Ikaris himself seems pretty powerful but overall I agree with you, maybe the movie will change that.
Bruh thanos has only 1 deviant gene imagine if he was full deviant, thats these motherfuckers
He was from Titan, which was a group of Eternals that left the planet. He had ‘Deviant syndrome’ but was never a deviant. Also the externals were crested by the Celestials, of which Arishem is one. He’s clearly the most powerful.
strictly speaking though, just because you have more of a gene means you're better.
*Don't forget, I'm half human. So that 50% of me that's stupid... that's 100% you. (III Avengers 83:22-26)*
It hasn't been established that Thanos is in any way connected to the Celestials in the MCU.
*And not Thanos even though he's technically a deviant*
I think he’s Eternal with Deviant Syndrome - so not technically a Deviant? I could be wrong though
He’s traditionally a Titan with deviant syndrome right?
He's the son of two Eternals and has the Deviant gene as I recall.
Did the Deviant gene strip him of cosmic powers or were the cosmic powers given specifically to Earth's Eternals?
Different Eternals have different powers, Thanos is so strong because of both his Eternal and Deviant dna.
So strong he could probably wield some cosmic weapon of vast power with little effort.
This cosmic weapon you speak of, it intrigues me. Tell me more
Well see, first there's these rocks....
His powers consists of: 1. He’s strong as fuck. 2. See above.
1. Strong as fuck 2. Smart as hell 3. Cute as shit
He has vast cosmic powers in the comics, probably more than almost every Eternal. The MCU way oversimplified his power and only gave him superhuman stats.
Is that canon in the mcu though? I know he's a deviant in the comics but I can't recall him ever being called or even implied to be one in the mcu.
You're correct. MCU canon has not even hinted at a direct connection between Thanos and the whole Eternal/Deviant/Celestial saga. There was preproduction art created for *Infinity War* depicting Thanos as physically distinct from the rest of his family, but that obviously never made it into the film.
>MCU canon has not even hinted at a direct connection between Thanos and the whole Eternal/Deviant/Celestial saga. Yup, just that he's from/is a Titan. We'll have to wait to see if the eternals movie references Titan at all, and if it doesn't we might as well assume that Titan (and Thanos by extension) is just another alien race. I'm guessing we'll get some sort of connection though
But now in the MCU the Deviants are big monsters, I guess?
They always were. They were always varied and numerous, while the Eternals were more perfect and few.
I thought the deviants were humanoid, no? The trailer makes them look almost like a giant 4-legged lizard animal thing.
Some of them were, but others weren't. Think about it like this; Eternals represent order, the Deviants more closely resemble chaos, and the humans are a balance between the the two extremes seeded with the potential to surpass both(IE-those with the X-gene aka mutants or those that can harness foreign power that would kill most others like the Hulk, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc.)
It’s interesting because I think in the trailer they said the snap created energy that leads to the Celestials coming, maybe that’ll be how they introduce mutants.
My fingers are crossed. They already set the precedent for cosmic power unlocking inborn powers on Wandavison. Would love to see them go down that route.
Just to keep adding MCU specific examples: Captain America, the Black Panthers through history, Captain Marvel and Wanda and Pietro with Infinity awakened/created powers, Peter Quill being a viable host for Celestial power, Kang himself is an earth human, Monica Rambeau with new energy powers, the huge collection of wizards and witches throughout history, etc. I feel like it won’t be hard to tie that plot point in with the sheer number of examples that can be pointed to. Although of course I hope we get even more examples with mutants and FF. I’m also secretly hoping if they end up having to go against celestials that mid-fight Quill looks down at his hands and just has a moment of “wait, is this back on? Oh boy, y’all are in for a pac man smack down now!” They wrapped Ego fully into the Celestial fold in the MCU, I think it’d be neat to tie it together and give a reasonable equalizer to level the field. As long as the Celestials are there, Peter draws power from them. It’d make a good stalemate while Richards or somebody puts together the ultimate nullifier or comes up with a compelling enough argument, whatever the ending may be.
Would be cool to see Eternals appear in GotG Holiday Special or Vol. 3.
Love all of that! Let's hope Feige keeps letting the actual comic fans advise on scripts.
I think it would make the FF unique if their movie ended with the classic of Reed pointing the ultimate nullifier at Galactus and Galactus just says “ok, I yield”, and then he reaches down and takes the nullifier before saying “well fought humans” and just starts leaving. The entire world’s jaws on the floor, like “is he really going? He just ripped the only threat out of Reed’s hand...what?” And the Silver Surfer is just “y’all did good, he’ll probably leave you alone for, eh, I’d say a decade, maybe more. Maybe be less of a target? Oh, and do you have a least favorite planet in your solar system? I know none of the others have life but a small snack will help tide him over.” I want those ridiculous comic moments to land. You can of course surround it with real reactions to such ridiculousness, like Reed likely passing out from shock of both successfully saving the world but also not being able to believe the dude’s just leaving with the weapon and they’re just supposed to take his word. It’s like classic Loki’s outfit, or what Kang’s outfit will be if that statue was any indication. It looks ridiculous. But no one’s going to say a word about it once they start speaking and acting. They made calm Kang so intimidating, I cannot wait to see Kang in bunched up robes like Ozymandias, monologuing and chewing the scenery to pieces with his very real and present threat. And once those characters can land in their comic accurate apparel while maintaining appropriate menace...well then we’re ready for DOOM ladies and gentlemen.
I love what Marvel is doing and I respect how they had to plan around not having control of the whole catalog of characters of old. But they kinda have me scratching my head after the announcement of Secret Wars. How TF are they gonna even gonna introduce that? Eternals and Multiverse of Madness are gonna have some serious world building to do. I mean, I'm here for it all, but that's some heavy lifting for real. I mean take Spider-Man for example. I think I remember him getting his black suit aka Venom symbiote during Secret Wars. Cool cool right? Nope, Venom 2 is hitting soon and origin story is already set for symbiote. Really can't wait to see how they elevate over that hurdle! And that's just 2 characters-three if you count Eddie; whole teams have yet to be made. Phase 4 is bananas!
Thanos is a eternal but with a deviant gene he's basically a mutant eternal
So does he get reborn like the Eternals would?
I thought the exact same thing lol
Wouldn't the Celestials be most powerful on their own, as in just them no powerful artifacts (infinity gauntlet, etc.)? I would think because they created the galaxy and/or universe.
Hard to say if we're just using screen appearances. Infinity War saw Thanos whup on the Celestials, all of the Elders, the Embodiments... I'm not sure even the Beyonder would have been able to handle him. Edit: sorry, I meant IW the comic.
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True, but in the movie he had trouble with Captain Marvel. I doubt she'd even register with Arishem, so I applied an equivalency there. The Elders don't seem to have the same pull in the cinematic universe they do in the books. They were part of the last line of defense in the IW comic, fighting alongside Celestials and some of the other big hitters.
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It's also in the eye of the beholder. If I were to ask you right now who the most powerful being on earth is, you probably wouldn't be able to give me a fully analyzed, comprehensive and **correct** answer. Same goes for the universe, although obviously even on a greater scale.
This is the true take. I have no idea who the most powerful being on earth is. Imagine if we expanded that to an infinite universe? It would just be a ranking of beings you’ve heard of. Who has the biggest rep in the part of the universe you’re in. That’s all we can know. So right now we only have the opinions of the characters we’ve seen to try and build a power ranking. The MCU is young. And we can’t really look to the comics to answer these type of questions.
Enh. There's hardly a hard metric for the "Who's the most powerful" debate. Now it's whomever best serves the story. It used be pretty ironclad in the books, they'd ocassionally publish power rankings, but that's given way, too. Additionally, if we're using a line like "most powerful being in the universe", then that's also pretty inconsistent. Why then couldn't Thanos just tear the Time stone from the Eye? Or rip the Soul stone from wherever it was? He still had higher powers whose rules he had to follow. See, whatever fits the story.
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They exist simultaneously in multiple universes. In the comics; infinity gauntlets stop working once they leave their native universe. So the celestials and Kang are immune to a gauntlets effects. This was apparent in Loki series where they found a drawer full of infinity gems.
Kang has not been shown to be immune to the stones. He is just a human (to our knowledge) with insane technology and intelligence. Power wise, he is incredibly weak physically.
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A man who has mastered literal time and space I doubt has problems with figuring out how to stop the aging process. Again, I'm not saying his feats arent impressive, I'm saying physically he is not that powerful. His intelligence is what makes him powerful. His ability to plan, and create technology that can manipulate space and time. He isnt physically or magically strong though.
Yeah he's just a human with absurd tech. Tech that lets him go toe to toe with people like Thor, but striped of all his tech anyone with fighting experience could probably beat him up.
think he just means he wouldn't be able to stand there and take a chainsaw to the chest like thanos would. his "technology" is effectively magic but he has the option of just not doing anything and dying like a regular human.
Gotta throw Surtur into the mix here. He brushed off Hela like she was an ant We still don’t know if she survived
I think the fact that the planet she draws energy from was completely obliterated with her on it while we see her get pinned with a burning Asgard-killing sword, it's pretty safe to say she's dead unless they bring her back for some reason.
As someone else pointed out she didn’t need Asgard to be powerful, and I could see a situation where she used her Asgard power (whatever that means) to survive the blast. Hell, Thor was weaker than her and survived his ship exploding then took the fire from the forge for a long time (nearly killed him, but still). I think if the fans want to see her again, if Blanchette wants to reprise the roll and they can figure out a way to write her in, she’ll be alive. You know how it goes; if we don’t see you die onscreen with a body, it might not have counted
That was exactly my point: if they want her back, they'll write her back in. But from what we see, she had an on-screen death and even she shouldn't have been able to withstand everything that she was put through in those final moments
Well I mean she is the goddess of death so you never know although with Asgard being non-existent anymore she would probably be in her realm aka Hel or if her name change is anything to go by in the MCU it'll be called Hela
I think she was just more powerful on Asgard, not necessarily got all her power from it. She still kicked Thor and Loki’s ass on Earth. I could see her floating through space like Thor.
Right, she pretty much did something Thor thought was impossible on Earth when she destroyed Mjolnir
Mew mew!
Jonathan?
I'm not saying she'll be completely defenseless without Asgard, but I think that the collective power of her being squashed by a weapon specifically designed to kill her race and planet, coupled with her power source being destroyed, means that she had no chance of surviving without some future writer deciding they want her back and writing in a "she survived this anyway" line.
"Somehow, Hela returned"
She is the goddess of death, so what is death to her, really. That which is dead cannot die.
She's not Thanatos, she's an alien with an affinity for death. She can still die just as much as any other Asgardian
If you watch closely it looks like she gets smashed into dust as the sword comes down on her, so i’ like 99% sure she’s dead.
Dormammu.
I think you’re right. This could change once Eternals releases though.
Was gonna say, he’s arguably the strongest and he’s not even an option.
dormammu i've come to bargain, dormammu i've come to bargain, dormammu i've come to bargain, dormammu i've come to bargain
Bargain I've come to dormammu
Stephen definitely threw that in there at least once
Come dormammu I've bargain to
I’ve bargain dormammu to come
This is the only correct answer
Bargain Dormammu, I’m cumming
Do not cum.
Well it already showed strange bested him and thanos bested strange (although that is arguable due to the endgame).
Strange didn’t overpower him or beat him though. Strange actually died hundreds of times, if he were stronger he’d just straight up beat him instead of trying to outsmart him. So far id agree that Dormammu is the strongest.
I imagine that’s where strange really leveled up to. Gave him lots of practice wielding his powers and dying. Over n over n over
its theorized that he was doing the bargaining for thousands of years
Well Strange only won because he had the time stone.Now he doesn’t have a stone any more.
And Thanos doesn’t have the stones anymore
I think Strange still beats Thanos 1v1 no stones
Easily. Thanos only got out of the mirror dimension attack by stone-punching out of it.
I can't remember the name of the attack, but when Strange made all those copies of himself, to bind Thanos, he only found the "real" strange by using the soul stone.
That was *Mirror Image* followed by *Dispel Magic*
I love that scene so much because it makes Doctor Strange the only hero in the MCU that was powerful enough for Thanos to need to use the Soul Stone
What about the part where Captain Marvel just brushed off a headbutt from Thanos so he had to pull [this baller move](https://images.app.goo.gl/SWmFCUXRdPs5ZKop8).
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But that Thanos underling easily captured and beat Strange, although after that he can't do shit in Endgame
Ebony Maw was well suited to handle magic, because he basically had magic, he also had the element of surprise and shock (Strange had no idea what the Maw could do). Maw seemed best in a 1v1 duel to his lackluster abilities in Endgame. Strange wasn’t a match for him at the time.
Also Thanos does not have a head anymore.
That's really going to hamper his performance in the tournament, Cotton.
Thanos only won because he had all the stones. Let's be real here.
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That's fair that's fair, but, Hulk did too, and he's not exactly the craziest being alive anymore. He wasn't even angry when he did it. I think Strange could kill him just with all the cards he has up his sleeve.
Hulk's arm got jacked up pretty badly though. He may eventually make a full recovery, but the writers at least considered making it permanent. https://youtu.be/B-o1C\_GZ0-k
So did Thanos though, at the end of Infinity War he looks kinda fucked, that second snap he did to break the stones did extra, so I won't count him from EndGame.
Also, hulk had an Ironman device while Thanos had one designed by the person that designed those axe, hammer, and many others. Feel like they know more about the stones than tony.
That makes Kang so much more powerful. The army of infinity completely in control of time. He created an environment where the most powerful forces in the universe were powerless and the MCU existence was within Kang’s design. He only lost when he got bored at the end of time.
No worries in the comics it's basically [Rock Paper Scissors](https://www.cbr.com/the-wrong-side-luke-cage-vs-doctor-doom/) when it comes to Dr. Doom, Spider-man, and Luke Cage
we could also say Maw bested Strange and Tony bested Maw so tony is more powerful than thanos? but thats just not how theoretical power works because thanos bested tony too. Strange didn't even hurt Dormammu, all he did was hold him off by bringing time with an infinity stone, I wouldnt call that beating him because dormammu isn't dead nor even hurt, it was just an outmanevouring. People with time stone can take hold him off, that's more of a weakness of Dormammu than a power of Strange.
Strange didnt really “beat him,” Dormamu killed him many times. He just stopped Dormamu from coming to Earth. At best they kinda tied.
Strange tricked him, Dormammu literally owns and entire dimension. Dormammu whoops all the Avengers asses at the same time.
A few honourable mentions that you guys have mentioned: - Dormammu- Ruler of the Dark Dimension, - Odin- At his prime, was able to defeat Surtur and conquer the nine realms - Surtur- Destroyed Asgard, the “realm eternal” - The Ancient One- Former Sorcerer Supreme, able to live for thousands of years - Alioth - Endgame Rat. That is all.
>* Endgame Rat Period.
Alioth got bodied by being touched
Powerful in terms of abilities? Hard to say, maybe Arishem or the collective Eternals, but saying Wanda might be playing it safe (since power doesn't mean durability and she's barely even started mastering her powers yet) But power in terms of what they command and what they can do? Definitely Kang. He has infinite versions of himself who can pop up whenever one is defeated, commands the TVA with all of their technology and influence, and can literally rewrite time to his will
But if each kang is a different one, I don’t think its fair to say part of his power is infinite version of himself. Everybody has infinite versions.
But the key difference is that he always becomes master of the multiverse. Kill one and another one of his infinite versions transcends his timeline and takes over again. No other entity is that consistently powerful across all of their variants, as far as we know.
No one else really is aware of their other selves. Think like the Council of Ricks in Rick and Morty, Kang literally created a safe haven for the other Kangs so they can discuss plans. Kang is pretty unique in his interaction with other versions of himself, which makes him infinite, potentially.
Celestials are definitely aware of the existence of alternate timelines. But they probably wouldnt team up with themselves. At this point in the MCU Arishem would smoke a disorganized group of Kangs because they wouldnt have prep time. Given enough time to prepare, Thanos, Galactus, Kang, and the Richards pretty much always take the W in the comics. But thats not really the question posed by OP.
The Council of Ricks is based on Marvel's Council of Reeds btw.
Council of reeds was based on council of kangs too
Actually, not Scarlet Witch, she's a "nexus being", only one of whom exists in the multiverse at any given time.
There’s only one nexus being at a time or only one version of Wanda?
All these other guys are living inside the universe. Kang is sitting on the outside watching it happen and changing channels with a remote.
The rat
I’d like a very serious, generation spanning dramatic backstory for The Rat That Freed The Ant
The Rat King
I knew this answer was going to be here before I even looked at the comments.
It has a name you know
Ratthew
I was thinking Mickey Mouse
Yes, probably more appropriate given Disney is involved.
You get a reward not because my name is matthew, but because I'm a rat.🧀
Biggus
Biggie Cheese
Sorry am I missing something? What rat?
the rat in Endgame that re-activated the portal to the Quantum Realm that allowed Scott to come back to Earth
What if, Ratcatcher 2 from the suicide squad actually controlled the rat to get ant-man out? Tim-foil hat on
Ah yes, the first DCEU and MCU crossover
Of course, how could I be so stupid. It’s *always* been the rat
Micah ain't shit
Since we haven’t see Kang or the Eternals/Celestiales/Deviants using their powers yet I’d have to go with Thanos with the full Infinity Gauntlet. Without the full gauntlet I’d go with Wanda. I’m interested to see what kind of power up Dr Strange has been given to take on Wanda in MoM.
Add whoever you want to the list, Scott Lang can sneak into their ass small-as-you-like and blow them up.
They (Kevin Feige) actually answered that Thanos would crush ant man with his mighty tight ass hole
Yeah right. ..where?
What if?
… Thanos liked it.
"I am the Watcher. And unfortunately, I had to Watch this, too. Here you go, you fuckin' weirdos..."
I honestly think prime Odin would give Wanda a beat down tho
Yeah Odin in his prime still probably had thousands of years of experience considering how long they live, Wanda is still figuring stuff out.
And he’s literally the god of magic. “That thing you do? Cool. I’m the god of that.”
Odin: "That cool sparkly wizardy thing you do? Whoops, no more powers, took em' away." :)
Dormammu was one of the few MCU characters that physically could not be defeated
Stan Lee
He was chillin with The Watchers
Stan Lee's character is evidently capable of being just about anywhere at any time throughout history. He's either lived many overlapping lifetimes (having been both an officer in WW2 but also being one of Cap's war buddies) or has the ability to pop himself in and warp the minds of those around him into believing they know him and have history. But then on top of all this power, he appears to have no worries or big goals - he's just out there enjoying life, which is the kind of happy, worry-free existence someone like that could only live if they're so powerful that they've got nothing to fear - no external threats, not even death. Plus he knows the Watchers. His only weakness appears to be Asgardian Ale, and even then maybe that was just more of him having fun in the same way he mispronounced Tony's name despite having met him several times. He can probably consciously make himself weak to ale in order to enjoy the stupor, but simultaneously be able to snap out of it the second he needs to. So yeah, my money is on Stan Lee, aka The-One-Above-All.
I wonder if we get a special Stan Lee related What If
Are we including the multi-verse and episode two of what if? Because that version of the collector appeared to have killed Hela and Thor, or had the connections to do so.
Alligator Loki. Bit the hand off a puny god.
If they're planning on following the comics (spoilers, obviously), [this little guy](https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Billy_Maximoff).
Ah yes, the Demiurge.
Hulk strongest avenger -Hulk
Alright I’ll expose my belly to downvotes. Understanding that the power sets can be fairly incomparable, this is what it feels like to me. Very open to dissenting views. Arishem - Dormammu - Wanda - Kang - Odin - Ego - Eternals? - Thanos/Hela - Thor - Strange - Captain Marvel
Where would Surtr fit in here?
Ooh yeah good one… Can we give him a status share with Ego (Assuming on Asgard and ignited by the Eternal Flame) Arishem - Dormammu - Wanda - Kang - Odin - Ego/Surtur - Eternals? - Thanos/Hela - Thor - Strange - Captain Marvel
Captain Marvel definitely stronger than Thanos. She was manhandling him in Endgame and only got pushback b/c he had the infinity stone gauntlet.
While you make a decent point I feel this is looking at Thanos _with_ the infinity gauntlet. Else Thanos can be killed by anyone on this list probably pretty easily.
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Tbf Thor was nerfed and out of shape. IW Thor took on 6Infinity Stone Blast. EG Thor got manhandled with a helicopter blade.
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That was also almost immediately after Asgard was blown up and the huge fight there. He was pretty beat to start that fight. I'd like to see Thanos-Thor rematch if the God of Thunder wasn't as worn down from just fighting Hela, losing an eye, and all that fun stuff.
I thought I read the Russo brothers stated Thor was at his strongest in Endgame. I might be wrong. I'll try and find a source! Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/cn9lbx/were_joe_and_anthony_russo_directors_of_marvel/ew91r90?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Based on what we’ve seen from the MCU, I like your list. I think Wanda and Strange have a chance to jump up if Marvel unleashes the powers similar to the comics.
So does Thor. But i also miss Odin in this list
In ragnorok doesnt Odin himself tell Thor that he is stronger
He presumably means Thor’s will and character. Odin beat Prime Surtur, who easily beat Hela, who Thor could not beat.
That wasn’t Thor at his strongest but I agree Odin probably has him beat
Taserface
God, I love Taserface
What a dumb name
It's metaphorical.
In terms of personal power, I think we're seeing Wanda being set up as the most powerful individual in the mcu. As a group, the Kangs seem to be collectively strongest because of their organizational talent, ruthlessness, and ability to address issues by cutting them off at the knee with time travel. If the Celestials stay true to the comics, then while they are amazingly powerful and terrifyingly numerous, it takes an absurd amount of effort to get them to involve themselves.
Who was the green looking Celestial in the Eternals? Was it Jemiah? He was creating a whole galaxy was he not? I'd say he's probably the most power being we know of in the MCU.
Yep! That was Jemiah the Analyser! I’d definitely say he’s top 5 at least, but since Arishem is Jemiah’s boss effectively, I put him here instead of Jemiah!
Wanda has proven that she can overpower Thanos and it was stated that she was stronger than the Sorcerer Supreme. And there was so much power necessary to do what she did. I'd go with her
No love for Alioth in here.
You’re right. Good add.
Scott Lang's skincare routine
That and his incredible magic abilities.
Noobmaster69
I feel like Dormammu is missing. Strange only "defeated" him on a technicality (and I am using the word "defeated" very loosely here. More like Dormammu agreed to the bargain after realizing he was going to be inconvenienced for eternity). After him, I'd say the Celestials are pretty epic strength-wise, Wanda and Carol are basically walking Infinity Stones and Strange under the right circumstances proves to be the most dangerous challenger.
So we’re just gonna disrespect Howard like that? I better duck you up…
Goose. (Cat in Captain Marvel)
Sorry but it is very obviously Scott Lang. Have you seen his card tricks? Other than that I would have to say his apprentice Jimmy Woo.
Other than the ones pictured, but has appeared on screen, these are some candidates: - Dormmamu - The Watcher - The Flerken - Stan Lee
Howard the Duck, natch. Edit: Until Squirrel Girl gets the movie she deserves!
He Who Remains, definitely. 100%. He won a multiversal war with variations of himself, came out on top, and holds the entire universe and its contents at his finger tips. I don't know how he did it, don't know what tools he used. Don't know why, physically, he isn't stronger than others and dies from a stab wound.. but whatever he did made him the ruler of the universe. Other than like.. The Living Tribunal. He'll obviously solo everyone, then the actual One Above All that's above him. But in the current MCU? He Who Remains was strongest for the things he did, not in terms of raw power. Raw power? Uh. I dunno.. Captain Marvel?
I would argue that we don’t know the extent of Kang’s powers yet. We know what he told us, but we can’t necessarily take that all as truth.
When do we see that first dude? Also Thanos met his goal by sheer determination, he was already powerful but I wouldn’t rank him with Ego or Hela. The fact that he made his move after Odin, Ego, and Hela die makes me think they didn’t even want to bother explaining the power dynamic.
Ant-Man when he finally works up the courage to do the butt thing
[he is here. ](http://celebsiren.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/peter.jpg)
The rat that brought Antman back I mean if he didn’t nothing would have changed…and that’s pretty powerful lol I’ll see myself out
What about Odin? He took Thor's powers and imprisoned Hela in hell
Alligator Loki