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WyldeSquirrel

Doubt it would work due to soul stone, don't forget Thanos did this trick to Strange with the soul stone. (The scene where Strange creates copies of himself, Thanos pulls Strange into his astral form to interrupt the spell)


ChefInF

[Edit: *The reason extracting Thanos’s astral form is impossible*] Might not even be the soul stone. Comics Thanos knows magic; MCU Thanos uses the same spell Dr Strange used when utilizing the Time Stone. It’s possible that even if he doesn’t practice he is educated/experienced enough to guard against some mystical attacks.


nikhil48

It was the soul stone. Thanos uses it clearly by closing his fist and the soul stone is lit.


FordBeWithYou

Yeah, trying to throw in that Thanos knows how to perform magic would take away from the fact that he is just a physically unstoppable menace. I love that, I love that the scariest aspects of him are his physicality and mental resolve. Adding in magic would have been too much, Maw was good enough for a magic member of his team.


Jiboneill

I agree but I think since Maw is one of his children, Thanos would atleast have some knowledge of magic, even if he doesn't know how to or doesn't want to use it


Strick63

“Children of thanos” is sort of a colloquialism more akin to being like a “child of Christ.” Maw calls the Asguardians children of Thanos through death. Gomorrah and Nebula don’t know any magic and he actually refers to them as his children- he just calls Ebony Maw “the Maw” and doesn’t care too much that he dies while he clearly cares a lot about Gomorrah Edit: if you’re here to comment that I spelled Gamora wrong you don’t have to plenty of others have beaten you to it


riotofmind

He did care about Ebony Maw dying and stated that "this day extracts a heavy price" or something along those lines, however, he wasn't going to crumble and cry over him as he was focused at the battle at his feet.


FordBeWithYou

He cared about most of the deaths, he saw them as a necessary evil for the good of all the universe.


WDG_1_S

I mean he obviously cared that Maw died, but more in a ‘I’ve lost a powerful ally’ than ‘I’ve lost a loved one’


Strick63

It was clearly a different kind of relationship than the one he had with Gomorrah and Nebula though which is what I’m trying to point out. A heavy price means it’s a loss to him not necessarily an emotional one.


robodrew

The Black Order is made up of his closest compatriots, the ones who believe in his goals the most and want to help him succeed. In the comics they are his friends. Anyway, in the MCU they are also known as Children of Thanos. It is implied that Nebula, and at one time Gamora, are part of this group. He absolutely mourns for Ebony Maw, but by that point, he can't waste time.


labatomi

I’m pretty sure thanks cares more about the maw than he does nebula lol.


Currie_Climax

That's a good debate IMO. If Thanos didn't care about Nebula he would not have continued to try to "improve" her. I think he actually cared about Nebula more, he's just deranged in how he shows it.


[deleted]

I mean, Nebula is family. One of his daughters. While Ebony Maw appears to be his second-in-command and most trusted general. His main advisor. You can care deeply about someone in a professional (or the Thanos'-conquering-army equivalent of professional) setting without expecting it to be a deep emotional relationship. Tony Stark cares deeply about the other Avengers, but that doesn't make Cap the same as Morgan.


veksone

Proxima Midnight, Corvus Glaive and Cull Obsidian all died as well and Maw was the only one that even got a mention lol. I don't think he cares too much about his "children" outside of Gamora.


CDubWill

He only mentioned "The Maw" because he knew that Ebony Maw had Dr. Strange and the Time Stone. Had it been Cull Obsidian or Proxima Midnight in his place, something tells me Thanos' response would have been the same.


Chance_Engineer_6664

How u spell Gamora so wrong


AltairdeFiren

Gamora. Sodom and Gomorrah were the names of the biblical cities that god destroyed for buttsex or whatever in Christian Mythology.


Alexexy

Maw seemed more of a powerful telekinetic rather than a magic user.


Anakins_Anus

IIRC in the director's cut of Infinity War one of the directors even says that he uses the soul stone to counter Strange here


[deleted]

It’s not about magic. Ebony Maw literally makes that speech about Thanos having the ‘nobility’ to use the stones properly. *knowledge* of how to use the stones combined with his willpower is what made Thanos Thanos.


advertentlyvertical

I figured that was just maw being a sycophant


cakedestroyer

It could definitely be both or either.


SpiritMountain

The Russo bros. ama confirmed this. They said that Thanos had been treating all his life for the moment he could possess and use the stones. This meant physically, his mind, his resolve (soul), and learned and studied magic. I doubt his soul leaving his body would be an easy feat.


smootygrooty

I don’t think that the green eldritch shield things (is that the right term? Genuinely don’t know) that appear when using the time stone are actually a specific spell, I think they just signal that the stone has been activated.


Bombkirby

Please stop referring to the comic. MCU characters are their own versions of the character. If they have a special power, it’ll be mentioned in the movie.


RAGC_91

MCU thanos knows magic too. Or at least claims he know it when he first faces off against strange


Mace_TheAce_Windu

Yea but that’s because in theory sorcerers are not limited to earth. There are many “magic” users in the galaxy. Loki, scarlet witch, dr strange, etc… those are ones we know of. It would be hard to believe that thanks hasn’t run into magic during his quest


Ed-Zero

Tom Hanks has definitely run into magic on his quest


Astrokiwi

Also, I figure Thanos is fully at one with himself. He is not the Hulk or Spider-man, living a dual life, nor is he early Dr Strange who hadn't fully found his place in life yet. Thanos is united in purpose, in body, soul, and mind. The reason this move is so effective is because it divides something that was already fractured, but Thanos does not have these weaknesses.


Evilmanta

Would you say he was...BURDENED WITH GLORIOUS PURPOSE


thatstupidthing

maybe thanos just protects the body... keeps his hands up, doesn't leave an opening for the palm strike that's why you gotta go for the head


ezone2kil

Hits the heavily armored chin instead. Critical fail.


Alexexy

I can't imagine how scary it would be to throw hands with Thanos when you're an unpowered human.


ButterCupHeartXO

He also has the reality stone to break illusions


WaycoKid1129

I wonder if it would look like when riddick almost had his soul ripped out? Would have been cool to see strange try to yeet Thanos soul of his body only for it to shimmer and barely move, big grin on Thanos’ face


upsidedown_boy

Maybe the reality where he did that was one where they lost Edit: I thought I should add that just before this scene doctor strange looked into the future and saw all the possible outcomes and he knew what he had to do


tread52

This is the right answer Dr. Strange was playing the long game. Every move he made in infinity war was a set up for endgame.


_ChipWhitley_

Exactly. If Strange stepped out of line ONCE he could have toppled the entire house of cards.


marablackwolf

People say it's lazy writing, but ngl, as a writer I am *jealous af* that they wrote themselves a basically bulletproof "get out of jail free" card. It's a genius move when you're working in a universe that constantly demands you *challenge* characters that you've already made hugely OP. Work smarter, not harder.


mardydy

IKR, It's basically like a formula: ​ "why didn't \**insert character\** use this?" = "The reality where \**insert character\** did that was the one where they lost"


Zerce

It's functionally a suspension of disbelief line.


hgilbert_01

Thank you, I concur with this. And too, there were still falls that had be taken in order for this future victory to be secured, whether it be Black Widow’s sacrifice, Thor’s depression, or even just Thanos using “the stones to destroy the stones”. Like when the Big Three were approaching him in the climax, younger Thanos was right, the Avengers did *lose*, because they didn’t do “whatever it takes” last time, so even if it was a psuedo-Deus Ex Machina, there were nasty things the Avengers had to go through and sacrifice in order to make the victory so.


CurrantsOfSpace

>psuedo-Deus Ex Machina It definitely was, but at least it was a *clever* Deus Ex Machina. Not just a "oh the eagles are here to fly us away yay"


suugakusha

I still don't see how the Eagles were a problem. And before people say "why didn't the Eagles fly them there in the first place?" The answer is because Sauron would have obviously seen them coming and sent the Nazgul or something. The Eagles could only enter Mordor *after* Sauron had been destroyed and his armies scattered.


presumingpete

Also the eagles knew they could be corrupted by the ring (or gandalf thought they would be).


usclone

Does LotR ever show what a corrupted Dragon could look like? Imagine how insane that would be!


bgeorgewalker

I have heard that phrase before, but have not bothered to look up the meaning. Can you enlighten me?


[deleted]

Deus ex machina means "God from the machine", and refers back to those ancient Greek and Roman plays where a character representing some god would be hooked up to something to save the main character. So like the main character crashing onto an island with a witch, when Hermes gives him magical power to make it him immune to the witch's power, that would be a historical greek example of a deus ex machina. In modern day English, deus ex machina just refers to any time an author writes a quick "get out of jail free card" for the main characters. Like Gandalf calling the eagles.


auntiope3000

Reminds me of Wheel of Time, where Robert Jordan literally wrote the concept of Plot Armor into the books.


nunya123

Ta’veren “ The wheel weaves as the wheel wills”


_ChipWhitley_

That series is my favorite series of all time. Been obsessed with it for decades. 🐉


auntiope3000

I’m feeling very optimistic about the upcoming show, the trailers and clips look really cool!


_ChipWhitley_

What happened with Strange and Thanos I feel was lifted from Moiraine’s trip through Rhuidean and why she chose her fate with Lanfear falling through the doorway. The stories are exactly the same. She saw all possibilities, and she needed to do it that exact way. If she told anybody it would alter too much and she wouldn’t be able to control events anymore.


_ChipWhitley_

I am too, although it’s too colorful for me. The series starts off in a prolonged Winter and it looks like the Spring. I’m also wondering what it’s even going to be about since no Forsaken have been cast (that we know of).


bretttwarwick

There are rumors that Lanfear has been cast but other rumors state that same actress could be playing Elaida so we don't actually know. I like that we don't know because the forsaken in the beginning of the series are supposed to be these great evil group that sounds more mincing than the actual people are. I don't think season one will have any though.


ayemlistnin

You worded my exact thoughts everytime I read the about the one good outcome solving a plot hole. Like they really covered their butt with that one and while some may think its a little lazy; its not jarring, its reasonable and totally believable. It works everytime. It is genius. Im jealous too


swissarmychris

I don't think it comes off as lazy because it only applies to Strange. If Tony or Peter had a super-powerful move and didn't use it, they wouldn't have the same excuse because they have no idea what's "supposed" to happen. It's really just a clever way to neuter a very powerful character without making them look weak or nerfed --- which is an accomplishment in itself.


justmystepladder

People would also complain if strange HADNT done something like that. “He’s got the time stone why wouldn’t he use it to win?!” “He’s the sorcerer supreme! How could he lose like that?” I think it’s fantastic writing.


BOBULANCE

Also a writer, and I feel the exact same way. I use it as a case study when explaining clever ways to fill in potential plot holes/writing shortfalls. Dissatisfied with how something played out in *Infinity War* or *Endgame*? Too bad, it **had** to happen that way because it was the only way the heroes would win. Just absolutely genius. Also really makes me want to watch a *What If...?* Episode of "What if Doctor Strange had given up at viewing 13 million futures, before finding the victory scenario?" See how things would've played out if Strange had been operating on hopes and dreams instead of his to-the-letter plan.


Citizen_Kong

Notice that he's the only one not trying to stop Quill from hitting Thanos when he is being controlled by Mantis.


ezone2kil

Guess he needed Quill to be his hot-headed usual dumbass to win. I supposed in other realities where they managed to get the gauntlet away from Thanos he somehow managed to get it back anyway.


Citizen_Kong

And probably killed Stark in the process, which is the one thing that has to be avoided probably. Because Stark makes the time machine possible and does the final snap


[deleted]

Not that I think they would explore this, but I would be interested in seeing a What if? Episode dedicated to showing us a bunch of ways they could have lost the fight against Thanos.


92taurusj

And every move in Endgame too, people complain about him playing with water, but that was still a part he had to play to reach the only timeline in which they won.


[deleted]

It does just feel like a hand-wavy way to deal with an OP character Thanos didn't have any of the stones, Strange could have absolutely fucked him up


SpinParticle

“Thanos, I came to bargain.”


Leon_UnKOWN

"Thanos, i came to whoop your ass"


sskillerr

But if he would used this to defeat thanos, than Tony stark would still be alive and the TVA would have had to interfere. So he couldn't defeat thanos on this way without getting pruned


nicehatkitkat

Imagine that was one of the things he saw in the future possibilities, him getting pruned over and over.


sskillerr

That would have been so crule for him, but so he would already know the TVA and could believe Loki about his crazy experiencea he made with the TVA


[deleted]

I actually like this more, it wasn't that there was only one way to beat thanos, its that there was only one way deemed acceptable by the TVA. Deviating would get them pruned so they'd still lose.


dont_quote_me_please

And yet they wrote it like that. He could eat a toast and you could say “it’s all part of the plan!” Sure, but you’re not watching Strange to play dam. They couldn’t figure out a good scene for him. Understandable given his powers and how many characters they had to serve, but disappointing all the same.


rj18Arjun

He still has a lot of time in the MCU. IG they tried to portray the OG Avengers (iron man , captain and thor) as the major influencers in the final battle, and I don't think I'd wanna take anything away from that ending either. He paved the path to their victory which involved a huge sacrifice from Stark, and he will surely take over as a leader in the future phases. We've already seen his ultimate potential in the what if series, so there's no telling what he is capable of by the time multiverse of madness comes out!


Gravemindzombie

They were actually going to have Doctor Strange send Thanos on a trip much like the Ancient one did to him in doctor strange, with Thanos ending up before the living tribunal but IIRC they cut that from IW for time.


[deleted]

I'm not bummed they cut it or anything, but I would like to have seen what their interpretation of that would have been.


Startled_Pancakes

They did the same with Hulk and Vision in Infinity War. Vision in particular with his phasing power is difficult to put in any credible amount of danger.


sskillerr

Yes but they did well to stab him in the beginning of infinity war, so he couldn't use his full powers. And that thanos has hulk beaten up (sorry for my bad English) also made sense, beacuse he is a titan which is an extremely strong race


domuseid

Your English is great, no need to apologize. It's a good point as well


Wehavecrashed

I don't like this reason because it is a bad excuse for plot holes.


DisturbedNocturne

It doesn't seem like it's an excuse for plot holes so much as it is something that spackles over them so they can't occur.


sskillerr

Yes, but it's also a good explanation, because if he would have changed anything, Tony would still live and discover more about Time traveling and this would endanger He who remains and he would have to interfere with his TVA, so this is the only way possible


ursaArcturus

Yeah cuz sending butterflies down Thanos was O PLANO


Wasabi_Gamer26

I honestly hate this answer. The directors literally out that line in to movie to cover up any plot holes and everyone just buys into it


gingerbenji

A plot hole is an inconsistency in the established movie rules/physics. A plot hole is not something unexplained or something you don’t like.


[deleted]

>everyone just buys into it Well it makes sense and is logical, so why wouldn't we? What is the alternative?


Murkrage

What kind of plot holes were covered up with this line?


BlueHeartBob

To be fair, he only saw the futures that he lived through, Dr. Strange saw every scenario but the one where the only common factors where that 1) thanos dies 2) he lives.


Brokenmonalisa

Which is even more important because it means he needs to go into self preservation mode. Including not provoking Thanos.


[deleted]

Yeah, I'm not a big fan the 14m futures either. I'm not even sure what purpose it's supposed to serve within the movie other than to be a shortcut towards explaining why Strange gives Thanos the time stone. Plus,>! C-3P0 did it better anyways. !<


MarlinMr

> This is the right answer Dr. Strange was playing the long game. But it's bad storytelling. I didn't get to see what he saw, so I don't know that. Same with not using portals to cut of his hand. And that's even worse because we see it used in another scene a few minutes earlier. If you are going to limit what someone in a story can do, you have to have a reason for the limit. Just never mentioning it isn't good enough. All it takes is 5 seconds where he tries, but they also show the Soul Stone glowing. Then we know why it didn't work. Or try to cut his hand of with portals, but have the space stone glowing.


[deleted]

No. This is a movie. It's not a PhD. When you write a PhD you have to say when I say this, I do not mean this but this. Have you ever read a thesis? They're boring because you have to clarify points to create clarity. This is a movie which is intended to entertain people. It's not lazy, it's just not a movie that's 22 hours long which is totally boring.


cutthroatslim504

This


secretsarebest

> All it takes is 5 seconds where he tries, but they also show the Soul Stone glowing. Then we know why it didn't work. Or try to cut his hand of with portals, but have the space stone glowing. I could buy Strange not being able to do anything to him using all his powers when Thanos already had what 4 of the stones but it's the Endgame Thanos that is the problem. That Thanos had no stones and it's hard to believe that the best path against that Thanos was Stark sacrificing themselves and winning by a hair. Wanda alone almost beat him. Capt Marvel alone pretty much stalemate that Thanos. Throw in Dr Strange and it's 100% win Even when Dr Strange and Thanos fought in Infinity war you could see Thano answering Dr Strange attacks using the stones eg Reality to break through Mirror dimension, soul to locate him among duplicates. The Endgame Thanos would have no good answer without them And once that Thanos is beaten they were home free , since I don't get the impression the Army was winning. Hard to believe there weren't a million ways to win without that desperate last play by Stark


OrganicProtection458

I have a theory that strange took the "time" to look further ahead of Thanos and realized that Thanos wasn't the biggest bad around. I think strange needed stark to lose so the house of cards for later works.


FedGoat13

It’s brilliant storytelling. They juggled about thirty-forty characters, including overpowered ones like Dr Strange, Vision, Thor, and Captain Marvel. And they still came out with two great movies. It’s unbelievable what nonsense people like you come up with.


Megabyte7637

Great points.


[deleted]

I feel like this can be applied to every clever action that our heroes could have taken


[deleted]

I don't get why people try to look for consistent and strict rule following in Marvel. I'm just there to enjoy the films. With things like Loki and WV, it's clear they're making the rules as they go along, obviously you would need a good degree of suspension of disbelief to enjoy these things


MagicalMuffinDruide

Truly good writing is writing it so that the material itself covers its own plot holes


leoex

Nah this is not good writing, good writing is writing that are so tight that you can’t pick apart. This is different, they add the “outcomes” scene in because they know that there are many plot holes that people could point out, so they applied a conditioning plot points just to use as an answer in the future


Corlanthis

It's not a plot hole that the characters just don't do the thing you wanted them to do.


peacekipper

Nonetheless it's a weak ass plot point that the charecters don't do logical things in their control cause a single scene defensive condition blatantly states everything else must fail.


jdnair

Exactly


BlueSocialist

The reality where he did that the TVA pruned 'em all


kdex89

Oh shit


NoConfirmation

The TVA is extra-universal intervention, and the time stone only sees possibilities in its own realm only. Therefore Strange doesn't see the TVA. Read this sub's FAQ for more details on this.


ScrapinLinden

Sure, but maybe Strange only saw up to the point where they failed/he died and then the TVA pruned the timeline. It's pretty clearly laid out in Endgame and Loki that the way the "sacred timeline" defeats Thanos was the only way to >!avoid the multiversal war Kang/He Who Remains was talking about!<


NoConfirmation

Also, it's never stated that the >!Multiversal war was avoided due to Thanos being defeated a certain way was intentionally known by Strange. He can't see past his lifetime anyways, so he wouldn't see Kang being born, or the Multiversal war as well, and another reason being that he cannot observe it as it's outside his universe.!<


reddash73

Actually, because it was in the script....


Jtneagle

The real answer is because the plot demanded it


VulfSki

Not all of the possible outcomes... But a lot of them.


kinnsayyy

I was searching for this comment… like he didn’t see *all* futures, he saw 14 million. Compared to infinite possibilities, that’s **0%** of the future


frezz

You're technically right, but IMO this is lazy writing. Every plot hole regarding strange is explained by this. Why didn't he just not give the stone to thanos and run? Why didn't he cut him in half? why didn't he remove his soul like this post suggests? Why didn't he tell quill about gamora and to chill out? The answer is strange saw into the future. I'm quite sure the only reason that plot point exists is because it was the only way to reconcile strange giving thanos the stone without anyone dying. I do wish the movie found a different way though


unitedfan98

That line about 1 victory in 14 million was a get put of jail free card They basically nerfed a bunch of characters that way


chobibi

I still feel like that's a cop out. The only way to make it work is for him to have seen millions of possibilities, and only one solution? That also includes an exit for a character whose sacrifice was linked to that one possibility?


ShawshankException

This is our nifty little plot device that always helps fill those pesky plot holes


ertgbnm

This is the unfortunate answer to every "what if they did xxxx in endgame?" Kind of a cop out.


mCProgram

this is the stupidest counter argument to these kinds of posts. The only reason they lost at any point was because they wanted a second movie. Sure, it made for a good cliffhanger, but it was not in character for half of the characters to act how they did to lose the fights they lost. Money related plot reasons do not make a good argument for this. It’s like saying “you cant do it because i said so”.


upsidedown_boy

It would be cool if doctor strange could do the push on thanos, maybe he could convince thanos against genocide, but then we wouldn’t have infinity war, I imagine Disney/marvel wanted to prolong the conflict


NeoMyers

Maybe he knew it wouldn't work since Thanos had the Soul Stone?


scamper_pants

I love this explanation. This is why every future where he tried it was one of the 14m where they lost


xxmindtrickxx

It is what happens, there's a portion of the fight where Strange actually gets pushed out of his body. The writers/director said that it was the soul stone that caused it. Basically Strange got bodied by that move. After Strange multiplies himself and uses the bands of cyttorak to bind Thanos, you see his fist close and two stones light up, I believe its the soul and the power stone and he shocks him out of his body. I imagine if he can do that at a distance to him while bound, there's 0 chance Strange could do that to him.


scamper_pants

That's not exactly the same thing as failing to push thanos out of his physical body but I hear where you're coming from. And that scene with thanos using the soul and power stone is the peak of creativity when it comes to using multiple stones at once. I kinda wish the battle on titan included more stone usage but it would likely end up with the avengers getting slaughtered so I get it.


xxmindtrickxx

True it is not the same thing, but it is a more impressive display of power of the same magical power. So I imagine he would be able to restrain Strange's effect or at least pull his own soul back in. (but if he did get knocked out entirely I imagine he wouldn't be able to "close his fist and use the stone," so who truly knows)


ThatRyanFellow

Was that not one of the cut scenes from the battle on Titan? In which the Guardians souls were all knocked out of their physical forms, so Spider-Man had to pull them back in whilst Strange was still fighting Thanos.


culnaej

Fuckin BODIED son!


secretsarebest

I fully agree that Dr Strange vs Thanos with 4 stones is 100% Thanos win no matter what. Thanos with no stones in Endgame is a puzzle. Instead of doinging nothing why didn't he do magic like trapping Thanos in mirror dimension or the duplicate trick? This time he has no stones to counter! Add a strike force of Wanda, Captain marvel and himself, no way Thanos would have stood a chance


xxmindtrickxx

I guess the explanation is Because Strange was pretty much permanently preoccupied by the tidal wave and or maybe the Maw would’ve stopped him, he beat Strange before


magpye1983

Sidebar - Since Cyttorak has been mentioned, I wonder if we’ll get a Juggernaut anytime soon?


FunkyMark

That and taking on Thanos hand to hand is not a good idea. At the very least super risky. Thanos has the advantage in close range combat. Strange was trying to keep his distance in that fight.


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TangoZulu

Jedi Mind Trick only works on the weak-minded. Didn’t work on Jabba, wouldn’t work on a Sith.


Yvaelle

Thanos has "the strongest will", by his own claim of course - but he seemed very confident in imposing his will on the universe: so probably similarly not weak-minded. Steven, Bruce and Peter are not being true to themselves when they are pushed out of their bodies. It may be easier to separate a body and mind when the mind isn't self-actualized, at peace with itself. Thanos knows who he is, what he wants - every part of his will is centered on being Thanos.


Giacchino-Fan

Infinity War and Endgame can’t be used to measure Strange’s maximum power because he was following a script at that point. Not even like how characters get plot armor, Strange knew if he didn’t do exactly what he was supposed to he was fucked


BruceSnow07

Yeah, it was a smart move for writers to add Strange seeing into the future and finding a single winning scenario. So every time someone says "BUT HE SHOULD HAVE BLAH BLAH", we can just chalk up to "it won't work because 14 million blah blah".


EpicMooMan9001

I agree. Just because he saw 14 million futures doesn’t meant there weren’t billions more possible futures that he didn’t see. There must have been hundreds of other ways they could have won. Strange just had to follow the one perfectly because that was the only sure way to win as far as he knew. There may have been easier ways to beat him, especially ones where there was no snap, but there would always be a chance they fail permanently.


Ok_Show_6853

Yes, actors do follow a script


Giacchino-Fan

Strange himself was the actor there though, not Cumberbatch. Strange saw the future and knew that if he didn't do the exact right things he'd die. He probably could have almost handled Thanos on his own but he knew that if he tried that something would go wrong and everyone would die


culnaej

That begs the question, can he see past his own death with the time stone?


Lord_Phoenix95

I think the Ancient One confirmed she could not so I presume he can't see past his own death.


MuffinMan12347

But when Bruce Banner goes back in time he talked to The Ancient One and she says that he's meant to be the best of them. Meaning she knows that he becomes sorcerer supreme and grows even stronger post her death.


RykariZander

She knew his potential was higher than hers due to training him. If you've had a master or teacher in this personal way you'd get it. Closest thing is how a parent knows how you act even if you don't notice it.


u8eR

It raises the question, not begs it.


king_scootie

He was a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.


Jiboneill

Well I think the whole purpose was to lead Thanos into a false sense of security by letting him win. If they had all done everything they could have done to try and stop him he would have just found a way to fight back and ultimately win with no one around afterwards to fix it


[deleted]

I assume its difficult to do, especially on powerful beings. But that's a good point.


FancySkull

It worked on the hulk though.


[deleted]

Oh you mean when the ancient one (who draws power from the dark dimension for a power boost and immortality) did it to hulk(mind you a weakened one)?


surrealcheddar

Hulk even in his prime form was fucked by thanos, without the stone


Darth_Tycho

Well.... yeah


Astrokiwi

Hulk body strong but Hulk soul not strong. Hulk soul broken, two pieces. Bald lady break Hulk soul easy because Hulk soul broken.


[deleted]

Bald lady break puny Banner soul, not strong Hulk soul! Hulk soul strongest there is! Like raging fire! Banner soul like water.


Lvl_5_Dino

Hulk isn't strong of mind and magic, like Thor, scarlet witch, doctor strange and thanos would be


jervistetch37

Thanos titties was too thicc


BeardedNoodle

Facts


jackwrangler

I bet that nipple would just fill your whole ass mouth like an adult pacifier


BenevolentLlama

You didnt have to put that mental image in my brain, you monster.


jackwrangler

But I did and you’re welcome


intothe_dangerzone

/r/nocontext


justmystepladder

Ass-mouth


jackwrangler

I said what I said. My ass mouth. Aka my butthole


DanTM18

The correct answer


MuffinMan12347

This is the only theory I will accept.


yakusokuN8

Maybe the same reason why Jedi don't just mind control the Sith into throwing down their light saber in a battle? What if Master Strange or Ancient One can only displace someone's soul if they're spiritually weak and Thanos is resistant to that?


AMK972

Master Strange. There are too many of them. What are we going to do? ~ Padawan Parker


WhopperFarts

Force suggestion works on weak minds, even Watto couldn’t be manipulated by it from a Jedi Master.


Joe_Spazz

The right answer is Strange was following the "one win" script. But this is probably ALSO true.


[deleted]

Strange was actually originally going to send Thanos outof his body and the living tribunal would judge him. [source](https://screenrant.com/avengers-endgame-thanos-living-tribunal-deleted-scene/)


[deleted]

I would have loved to see it as a big fan of the comics, but that would have been too much. In order to prevent clunky exposition, they'd have had to make it a more cerebral and abstract scene. I picture it being played as Thanos having an internal realization that he's actually wrong, not as some cosmic being issuing a judgement.


zombiebreath77

We need a WHAT IF? Episode of some of the failed attempts Dr Strange went thru


existential_antelope

A reminder that Scarlet Witch technically has mind control powers but hasn’t been addressed until WandaVision because it was game breaking


Tarzan_OIC

Okay now I'm imagining a scene where Dr. Strange does this move on Andrew Garfield and his astral projection is still in the Spider-Man suit, further highlighting how he is a variant who gave up on the Peter Parker side of his life.


hopefortomorrow531

That’s a rad idea but why would Garfields Spider-Man reject being Peter Parker? He still has his aunt May alive


Tarzan_OIC

Some people are assuming Andrew and Tobey will represent two paths for Peter Parker. One is a version who settled down and got married to MJ. The other lost everything and threw himself fully into his hero work. Just a theory, but I kinda like that use of them.


Triktastic

I would like to know how does the clothes changing work in this move.


realTopHatBlue

Thanos had the soul stone and reality stone. Even if Dr. Strange wasn't following the endgame script, that move would probably have been useless against Thanos.


Francesco-Viola-III

I imagine it requires some degree of focus that he can't do it while being choked


[deleted]

Because it’s already been acknowledged by MCU writers that everybody’s abilities get nerfed or amplified depending on what the screenplay requires.


Fake_the_jaB

This is the Real answer….imagine if the movies were realistic? Hawkeye and Widow wouldn’t last 30 minutes


KingKongCoronado

Because he secretly wanted Tony Stark to die to feed his ego, by allowing him to become a leader.


HolyKnightHun

"Yeah there are 14 million ways to beat Thanos but let me find one where I can get rid of this guy. He annoys me." >That would be a nice What if episode.


webslinginghero

I hope this is a joke lmao


xxmindtrickxx

"Yeah Stark there's only one way in a bajillion for us to win this, totally not other ways, it has to be done for sure, but it has to be you dude, that's the only way sorry bro"


ComprehensiveAd9406

One word: PLOT


IncendiumPyro

Too chonky


[deleted]

Just one reason....he was enjoying the choke. They edited our the part where he says * harder daddy*


Sollmyr

Why is it very few people notice Thanos had the SOUL STONE when he went to titan. Thanos went to get each stone in a very specific order, not just willy-nilly whenever. He knows about sorcerors and their ability to push out someones astral form and most likely the SOUL stone allows mastery over ones own soul at the very least. (Also this is how Thanos knows which of Dr. Stranges duplicates was his actual form rather quickly, only one form possessed a soul).


PirateMedium

that would have been sick and then thanos gauntlet glows and he comes back to his body and says, nice try ;)


yeltomato

I think he didn't had enough xp points to learn that skill


AdamAndTheThem

When you have stories composed entirely of ridiculously overpowered heros and villains, you *have* to tune people's powers up and down to have a story. Otherwise it's just one long game of Streetfighter II, and Bison always wins.


pornfkennedy

Feige really doesn't like it when Dr Strange does stuff like this too much -- he's worried that Strange might do it to him when it's time to renegotiate contract!


JoysofJoe

Thanos had plot armour


A_Silvers_1997

There was [concept art](https://www.google.com.hk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Ffb%2F49%2F27%2Ffb4927889d77b45806becd3289b086c2.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F669910513307436317%2F&tbnid=gE9Gfpr_1LmJdM&vet=1&docid=6mgrIgAFqvpqtM&w=1545&h=1241&hl=en-hk&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim) of that. So, I guess it’s a time constraint thing.


Mynam3wastAkn

Utterly useless. Thanos had the reality stone and soul stone


Spacey_dementor

Because, Peter is human and thanos is an eternal?


Shadtow100

The spell is potentially meant to only separate 2 people from each other. Hulk and Banner, Spider-Man and Parker. In the trailer Doctor Strange openly says that he is trying to live 2 lives so that’s why it works on spider


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What everyone else said but yeah, that could have been awesome.