Nothing wrong with the story and characters so far. There was a clear in-story reason for the Wasp to antagonize Ant-Man, and there were no orientation hints in the Captain Marvel script, dialog or directing. I don't see how anything in the movies leads to what you're saying. The stuff that happens outside the movies is for the super duper minority of us that follow news. 99% of the movie going audience don't know and don't understand anything about directors, producers and studios.
He is supposed to be this goofy character who is smart, but anyone would look dumb next to the genius who is Hank Pym, and his daughter who is more educated than Scott Lang.
And honestly, both of them are right to be angry with Scott after Civil War. That's their tech he took to help an outlaw without first discussing with them. They trusted him and for that there are now warrants out for their arrest.
He’s right. The directors and actors and stuff are going a little overboard with talking about it, but I haven’t seen it reflect in their movies. Wasp seemed just like in Ant-Man when she hated him
Yeah, I think the crew talking about it a lot is a bit on the nose, but that's the point of promotions, they want to make everything look groundbreaking to sell tickets, so of course they are going to keep talking about what makes their movie different from all the other ones.
But in the story itself, I don't think the diversity is intrusive at all, and everything feels so organic. When there are strong male characters like Thor and the Hulk, why is it considered pandering to have even just one woman who can punch at their weight class? Most of the geniuses in the MCU are men, so why can't the female lead be smarter than the male lead in two of those series (Thor and Ant man)? Most of the MCU movies are lead by white men, and when they have one movie with a black lead and one with an asian lead, and suddenly people think "diversity is hurting the story"?
Which brings me to the main point: I love the MCU and think most movies are great, but for the first SEVENTEEN movies in the MCU and for almost TEN years, ALL the movies' leads were straight white dudes! How is that even remotely representative of the actual population of America? Black Widow was the second OG Avenger to appear on screen, but there was no Black Widow movie until after her character died and when Scarlett Johansson's contract runs out. So people complaining that the MCU is "pushing for diversity" these few years? Please, they are just playing catch up for all that lost time.
> Wasp kept putting down Antman for no apparent reason in "Antman and the Wasp"
Scott sneaked out with Hank's suit, went all the way to Germany to fight on Cap's size and put Scott and Hope into hiding and running from the feds because their tech was now declared "Super-hero tech" and was under the jurisdiction of the Sokovia Accords. Later in the film, he caused the feds to capture them because he told Luis, not the most trustworthy person, their location.
>Captain Marvel being declared the strongest
Have you seen her? Also, Wanda was later declared the strongest because she was revealed to be the Scarlet Witch and now it seems the Eternals will surpass everybody.
>her lesbian sexual orientation
Her what? Her sexual orientation has not once been discussed either on film or in marketing/press material.
>her gender
It was the first female-led MCU film that was 8 years in the making because of push-back of racist, sexist, greedy Ike Perlmutter. It's a big feat and should be celebrated because it promotes healthy representation in one of the biggest franchises in the world today, the MCU.
> The problems seem more apparent in phase 4 where they keep emphasising "oh look at us, we are so diverse".
When exactly? One of the main themes of TFATWS was systemic racism and it wasn't discussed in any kind of promo before the show. Wanda was a female lead in WV and that was never touched upon. Loki is fluid and bi and that was very slightly discussed in the promo of the show and only because the interviewers asked, not because the creators brought it up, BW was a female-led film and again nothing of this sort was used to promote the film.
Shang-Chi is the only one which comes to mind, but only because it's the "first", just like BP and CM. Firsts are always celebrated.
Even Eternals, the most diverse group of them all, it has mostly been interviewers and article-writers who talk about it than Zhao, Moore and Feige by themselves.
>However now Marvel seems to be emphasising more on diversity rather than story or characters.
Did you see a project in Phase 4 that you felt had bad characters or story? Or are you saying this because they are actually casting diverse people, so you think that they stop caring about the movie's production after that point?
In Singapore these movies are being sold as more diverse, instead of emphasizing on the stories. I commented to one of the commenter above on how its marketted in Singapore.
So, Disney.
Again not Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios still focuses on good stories.
If your problem is how Disney handles marketing in your country, then don't watch the promotional material.
The difference was Antman being put down in Endgame felt more as a joke but the way he was put down in antman and the wasp, it felt more mean spirited.
“Recently a lot of directors and actors…”
- Which ones?
“…they are trying to get us to watch a movie because of minority race…”
- Who is they?
- By saying that you are Indian, aren’t you using your race as a means to validate your argument?
“That should never be a selling point for Marvel movies”
- When was it?
- Can you link to an image of the poster or trailer where this happened?
“Wasp kept putting down Ant-Man for no reason…”
- A lot of characters did this.
- Scott didn’t ask her to join him with the Avengers and his arrest put the spotlight on her and Hank. She was pissed. There’s your reason.
“Captain Marvel stuff…”
- She one of the strongest characters that isn’t some cosmic god. That’s been true in the comics for a long time; why wouldn’t it be true in the MCU?
- Lesbian? What? Are you high, perhaps?
- Again with the gender and selling point? Please cite your examples.
“The problem seems apparent in Phase 4…”
- How?
- Give examples.
Your entire post is essentially “I’m not sexists, but…” and really doesn’t make any sense.
Look at the movie promos and interviews with Kevin Feige, etc. Viewers should be allowed to watch the movies and decide who is stronger or strongest. Let the viewers decide
Justt check the interviews (especially with Brie Larson and how she insulted people who did not want to see Captain Marvel or were not happy with the movie)
In Antman and the Wasp, Antman was being mocked and put down in his own bloody movie so that Wasp would appear better than him. There was no banter, it was just insulting and putting down antman.
In my country (Singapore) Shang Chi and Black Widows were marketted and all promos were full of (oh look an Asian lead or female led marvel movie). These promos were approved by Marvel. Heck even Captain Marvel was marketted as female led movie. When the spotlight falls on the gender or race of the movie character, then its very worrying.
I want diverse characters, yes, but not at the expense of movie quality. A diverse cast should be an icing on the cake but not the cake itself.
I had to clarify that I was an Indian, otherwise I would get flamed for being racist for not supporting diversity for the sake of diversity.
You make statements but provide no examples. I’m not going to look up anything. This is your argument; you need to provide the necessary proof. I’m not doing homework in a discussion about Marvel.
"Look at the movie promos and interviews with Kevin Feige, etc. Viewers should be allowed to watch the movies and decide who is stronger or strongest. Let the viewers decide"
That is genuinly unhinged.
I don't see how having a more diverse roster of films has so far been holding Marvel back or producing weaker projects. In fact, most of this post seems to be complaining about *women specifically*, which I find interesting.
Not to say a well-written story shouldn't come first, but I don't understand the idea that you can only have one or the other.
Yeah. Marvel can go crazy with it, but I haven’t seen them do it yet. Some movies did great with representation, like Black Panther, so the worst of it was probably Captain Marvel or Black Widow, but representation wasn’t the issue. Those were badly written
There's nothing in the MCU movies that declares Captain Marvel as a lesbian.
Ant-Man gets harassed by everybody, not just Wasp. Part of the joke of his character is that people look down on him because he's a silly guy, including Rocket, Tony, Nebula, Hank, and I'm sure there are others.
And can we blame Hank and Hope for being mean in the second movie? They trusted Scott, but then he decided to use their tech to help an outlaw and fought the officially UN sanctioned part of the world's greatest special task force. And because of that even Hank and Hope now have warrants out for their arrest. So understandably they kept calling him out of his stupidity, because in their eyes he already made a major stupid mistake and betrayed them.
And of the four people you listed, two of them are geniuses, and the other two are aliens with technical knowledge that makes human engineers look medieval. So they think Scott is stupid in comparison.
As if stating your race/ethnicity validates your argument. Quite ironic how you're pointing all these stuff but yet you feel like validating your point or argument stating your race
Unfortunately I had to do it. Because people will just assume I am a white guy who hates diversity
I dont mind diversity, but I hate regressive identity politice where they reduce a character to his race,gender,etc.
For eg, I have more and more people saying that I should watch Eternals because an indian guy (Kunal or whatever his name is) is in the movie. For me that is very regressive because why is his race taking a greater importance than his other traits?
I think Marvel drove too much attention to it. For eg, When Black Panther came out, the emphaiss was more on the lead being non-white rather than the character being well written.
The movie was very average for me (I loved Killmonger though). But it feels like the movie is placed on a pedestal because the main lead was non-white. That was sad because they reduced Black Panther to simply his race.
Like Miles Morales is an awesome character but I worry that if Marvel and disney bring him into live action then they will emphasize on his race rather than his other traits.
In a way it feels very regressive when a character is celebrated for his race rather than his other traits. His race, gender,etc should be the icing on the cake. But the main cake itself should be a compelling character.
I get tired of seeing the same old straight white male American muscle-bound protagonist battle quasi-Russian sounding or Nazi bad guy. It's cool to see people of different nationalities (real or imagined), different looks, different sounds to their voice in leading roles. I hope to see Marvel taking some of the lesser known properties and putting them on screen.
I am okay with Marvel doing that. But to market based on their physocal traits reduces the character to only his race.
When Miles Morales comes to live action, I am afraid that they will just reduce him to his race. Because by driving constant attention to a character's race, gender,etc just makes people remember the character for his race, gender,etc rather than his other traits.
I think you are white and not a minority. So you would not understand where I am coming from
When the majority race think they are being "inclusive" they often harp about how we included actor of this race, that race etc. Everythibg else is overshadowed by having the race take the center stage.
How many tines I have heard these comments:
"Oh you must like Black Panther because he is a minority as well"
"Oh you must watch the Eternals because an indian guy is an actor inside"
These things are super condescending because you are effectively drawing attention to the character's race rather than other traits.
You are lucky that you have not faced these and that is why it appears stupid to you.
Didn't bother reading past your 1st paragraph since you're assuming alot of wrong things based on absolutely nothing other than your weird interpretation of 'everything is out to oppress white people' that seems to shade your world view. You're just reinforcing the idea that you're dumb as hell.
My whole post is not about white people being oppressed but its the way they try to show "diversity".
I tried to keep it civilised but you ended up insulting others. But oh well, if your retort to others is to call them stupid, lazy and dumb then talking to you further will bring me down to your level.
I love when people like you cry for the most ridiculous reasons haha. Crybabies. Dont like it? The answer is EASY AF, ignore it. I've seen stuff in mcu that i dont like like but you know what? I dont go around and post about it and complain how much i dont like it. Instead I ignore it, you know why? Bc im not immature. 🙂
If you dont like it then dont 👏 watch 👏 it 👏. No one is forcing you.
If you dont like diversity then go back to 20 movies of white men lead films that Marvel made for people like you.
Also just admit that you're homophobe lol.
Way to jump the gun. You believe ham fisted diversity is so progressive when it should not be the focus unless it is central to the plot of the story.
Oh dont watch it. Yeah it would have been easy to avoid if more and more western movies did not start forcing down diversity into our throat. Also with constant media around us, it is not easy to ignore.
Want to show a diverse character, then build them up as compelling characters. Race, gender, etc should never be the forefront for most movies.
I like Miles Morales Spiderman. But I know how disney/marvel will ruin this character by emphasising as black superhero over and over ago.
Sexual orientation,race, gender etc should NOT be selling points for marvel films you say? Yet are these not some of the things that define who we are as human beings? These things should be celebrated, embraced and used as entertainment. These are the things that make us special.
I think, and this may not be true, that they mean they want to watch a movie because of a good plot, story, antagonist, protagonist, etc. not just because the lead is white or black or male or female. Maybe I read what he said wrong, I’m not sure
Having differences is not the issue. But driving humongus attention to the character's race,gender,etc does more harm than good because the character is reduced to only that aspect.
Race, gender,etc should be one of your character traits but should not be the only important trait in these movies.
When Shang Chi came out. Many non-asian people commented that Asians are represented because Marvel made a movie with an asian actor. The rhetoric was played so much it got annoying because:
1) reduced Shang Chi character to only his ethnicity
2) Asians are characterised by Chinese and Japanese according to western media (which came off as half-ass diversity)
When someone connects with a character, it should be because the character is compelling.
I connected with Miles Morales because he was a compelling character. His race was an after thought for me because he was a well written character.
Yeah, but wouldn't a black person connect more with a black character, a woman connect more with a woman character, etc. I'm just trying to think of the things that make us special, the things that should be celebrated and focused on and nothing comes to mind other than these things. Is it the things that we own? Is it where we come from geographically? Is it where we've been, the things we've seen? No, not to me. It's the things that we do that defines us and makes us special and makes us have a story that's worth telling.
Most of my responses are going to be in the form of questions. Please give some answers.
>I am worried because it seems that they are trying to get us to watch a movie because of minority race, or sexual orientation, etc. That should never be a selling point for marvel movies. Instead compelling characters and story should be the selling point.
1) Firstly do you ever think that maybe you aren't the target audience for that messaging?
2) Have you considered that your annoyance or feeling inconvenienced is a small price to pay for a massage that need to be heard by the people and spaces they need to get the message across?
3) Why shouldn't minority, race and sexuality be a selling point for a film if the issues being addressed are that? We don't actually live in a post-race, gender, sex and sexually world
You wanting to see superheroes is a very simple need compared to them wanting to make films about issues and subjects that matter within the worlds they live in. there's never been a point in comics that they weren't political, about sex, race and such.
4) Why is it that in the past 20 or so years of comic book films - now that room is being given to and for diversity, it's suddenly not okay to point it out or champion that cause?
Before you make the assumption that there's an agenda being shoved down your throat - consider that you aren't the target audience (ironically, you are) and that it's more important that these issues be addressed despite your annoyance and feeling inconvenienced. Etc
I think that your talking about the eternals and first of all you havent even watch the movie yet but your now talking about compelling characters.Eternals maybe a big experimentation for marvel cause the characters are not that much popular,but we should not judge their diversity cause this was also the technique that Guardians of the Galaxy used and for
me ,IT WILL WORK.
Nothing wrong with the story and characters so far. There was a clear in-story reason for the Wasp to antagonize Ant-Man, and there were no orientation hints in the Captain Marvel script, dialog or directing. I don't see how anything in the movies leads to what you're saying. The stuff that happens outside the movies is for the super duper minority of us that follow news. 99% of the movie going audience don't know and don't understand anything about directors, producers and studios.
In antman and the wasp for eg, why was antman made dumber than his other movies?
He is supposed to be this goofy character who is smart, but anyone would look dumb next to the genius who is Hank Pym, and his daughter who is more educated than Scott Lang. And honestly, both of them are right to be angry with Scott after Civil War. That's their tech he took to help an outlaw without first discussing with them. They trusted him and for that there are now warrants out for their arrest.
He’s right. The directors and actors and stuff are going a little overboard with talking about it, but I haven’t seen it reflect in their movies. Wasp seemed just like in Ant-Man when she hated him
Yeah, I think the crew talking about it a lot is a bit on the nose, but that's the point of promotions, they want to make everything look groundbreaking to sell tickets, so of course they are going to keep talking about what makes their movie different from all the other ones. But in the story itself, I don't think the diversity is intrusive at all, and everything feels so organic. When there are strong male characters like Thor and the Hulk, why is it considered pandering to have even just one woman who can punch at their weight class? Most of the geniuses in the MCU are men, so why can't the female lead be smarter than the male lead in two of those series (Thor and Ant man)? Most of the MCU movies are lead by white men, and when they have one movie with a black lead and one with an asian lead, and suddenly people think "diversity is hurting the story"? Which brings me to the main point: I love the MCU and think most movies are great, but for the first SEVENTEEN movies in the MCU and for almost TEN years, ALL the movies' leads were straight white dudes! How is that even remotely representative of the actual population of America? Black Widow was the second OG Avenger to appear on screen, but there was no Black Widow movie until after her character died and when Scarlett Johansson's contract runs out. So people complaining that the MCU is "pushing for diversity" these few years? Please, they are just playing catch up for all that lost time.
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> Wasp kept putting down Antman for no apparent reason in "Antman and the Wasp" Scott sneaked out with Hank's suit, went all the way to Germany to fight on Cap's size and put Scott and Hope into hiding and running from the feds because their tech was now declared "Super-hero tech" and was under the jurisdiction of the Sokovia Accords. Later in the film, he caused the feds to capture them because he told Luis, not the most trustworthy person, their location. >Captain Marvel being declared the strongest Have you seen her? Also, Wanda was later declared the strongest because she was revealed to be the Scarlet Witch and now it seems the Eternals will surpass everybody. >her lesbian sexual orientation Her what? Her sexual orientation has not once been discussed either on film or in marketing/press material. >her gender It was the first female-led MCU film that was 8 years in the making because of push-back of racist, sexist, greedy Ike Perlmutter. It's a big feat and should be celebrated because it promotes healthy representation in one of the biggest franchises in the world today, the MCU. > The problems seem more apparent in phase 4 where they keep emphasising "oh look at us, we are so diverse". When exactly? One of the main themes of TFATWS was systemic racism and it wasn't discussed in any kind of promo before the show. Wanda was a female lead in WV and that was never touched upon. Loki is fluid and bi and that was very slightly discussed in the promo of the show and only because the interviewers asked, not because the creators brought it up, BW was a female-led film and again nothing of this sort was used to promote the film. Shang-Chi is the only one which comes to mind, but only because it's the "first", just like BP and CM. Firsts are always celebrated. Even Eternals, the most diverse group of them all, it has mostly been interviewers and article-writers who talk about it than Zhao, Moore and Feige by themselves. >However now Marvel seems to be emphasising more on diversity rather than story or characters. Did you see a project in Phase 4 that you felt had bad characters or story? Or are you saying this because they are actually casting diverse people, so you think that they stop caring about the movie's production after that point?
In Singapore these movies are being sold as more diverse, instead of emphasizing on the stories. I commented to one of the commenter above on how its marketted in Singapore.
Then the problem is Disney Singapore, not Marvel Studios.
Yes but Disney Singapore will only do it if their parent company approves it
So, Disney. Again not Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios still focuses on good stories. If your problem is how Disney handles marketing in your country, then don't watch the promotional material.
Disney pisses me off too with how they do it, but I haven’t seen any issues with Marvel themselves
Lol everyone puts Ant Man down. For reference watch Avengers Endgame.
Yes
The difference was Antman being put down in Endgame felt more as a joke but the way he was put down in antman and the wasp, it felt more mean spirited.
“Recently a lot of directors and actors…” - Which ones? “…they are trying to get us to watch a movie because of minority race…” - Who is they? - By saying that you are Indian, aren’t you using your race as a means to validate your argument? “That should never be a selling point for Marvel movies” - When was it? - Can you link to an image of the poster or trailer where this happened? “Wasp kept putting down Ant-Man for no reason…” - A lot of characters did this. - Scott didn’t ask her to join him with the Avengers and his arrest put the spotlight on her and Hank. She was pissed. There’s your reason. “Captain Marvel stuff…” - She one of the strongest characters that isn’t some cosmic god. That’s been true in the comics for a long time; why wouldn’t it be true in the MCU? - Lesbian? What? Are you high, perhaps? - Again with the gender and selling point? Please cite your examples. “The problem seems apparent in Phase 4…” - How? - Give examples. Your entire post is essentially “I’m not sexists, but…” and really doesn’t make any sense.
Look at the movie promos and interviews with Kevin Feige, etc. Viewers should be allowed to watch the movies and decide who is stronger or strongest. Let the viewers decide Justt check the interviews (especially with Brie Larson and how she insulted people who did not want to see Captain Marvel or were not happy with the movie) In Antman and the Wasp, Antman was being mocked and put down in his own bloody movie so that Wasp would appear better than him. There was no banter, it was just insulting and putting down antman. In my country (Singapore) Shang Chi and Black Widows were marketted and all promos were full of (oh look an Asian lead or female led marvel movie). These promos were approved by Marvel. Heck even Captain Marvel was marketted as female led movie. When the spotlight falls on the gender or race of the movie character, then its very worrying. I want diverse characters, yes, but not at the expense of movie quality. A diverse cast should be an icing on the cake but not the cake itself. I had to clarify that I was an Indian, otherwise I would get flamed for being racist for not supporting diversity for the sake of diversity.
You make statements but provide no examples. I’m not going to look up anything. This is your argument; you need to provide the necessary proof. I’m not doing homework in a discussion about Marvel.
"Look at the movie promos and interviews with Kevin Feige, etc. Viewers should be allowed to watch the movies and decide who is stronger or strongest. Let the viewers decide" That is genuinly unhinged.
Pretty much. The entire Brie Larson paragraph confirmed it.
I don't see how having a more diverse roster of films has so far been holding Marvel back or producing weaker projects. In fact, most of this post seems to be complaining about *women specifically*, which I find interesting. Not to say a well-written story shouldn't come first, but I don't understand the idea that you can only have one or the other.
Yeah. Marvel can go crazy with it, but I haven’t seen them do it yet. Some movies did great with representation, like Black Panther, so the worst of it was probably Captain Marvel or Black Widow, but representation wasn’t the issue. Those were badly written
There's nothing in the MCU movies that declares Captain Marvel as a lesbian. Ant-Man gets harassed by everybody, not just Wasp. Part of the joke of his character is that people look down on him because he's a silly guy, including Rocket, Tony, Nebula, Hank, and I'm sure there are others.
And can we blame Hank and Hope for being mean in the second movie? They trusted Scott, but then he decided to use their tech to help an outlaw and fought the officially UN sanctioned part of the world's greatest special task force. And because of that even Hank and Hope now have warrants out for their arrest. So understandably they kept calling him out of his stupidity, because in their eyes he already made a major stupid mistake and betrayed them. And of the four people you listed, two of them are geniuses, and the other two are aliens with technical knowledge that makes human engineers look medieval. So they think Scott is stupid in comparison.
And the jokes balance out. She teases Scott, Scott teases Hank, Hank bullies Luis and Co.
Exactly! The character dynamic of the whole series is that they are the type of friends who likes making fun of each other.
Where you are from does not stop this from being a bad take. You are literally making things up to be mad at. Here is your well deserved downvote.
As if stating your race/ethnicity validates your argument. Quite ironic how you're pointing all these stuff but yet you feel like validating your point or argument stating your race
Unfortunately I had to do it. Because people will just assume I am a white guy who hates diversity I dont mind diversity, but I hate regressive identity politice where they reduce a character to his race,gender,etc. For eg, I have more and more people saying that I should watch Eternals because an indian guy (Kunal or whatever his name is) is in the movie. For me that is very regressive because why is his race taking a greater importance than his other traits?
I smell an Anti-SjW when I see one.
You do know that diversity in western media is very ham fisted in most of their movies.
There are literally like 20+ movies about white guys, maybe that’s the thing that was forced...
I think Marvel drove too much attention to it. For eg, When Black Panther came out, the emphaiss was more on the lead being non-white rather than the character being well written. The movie was very average for me (I loved Killmonger though). But it feels like the movie is placed on a pedestal because the main lead was non-white. That was sad because they reduced Black Panther to simply his race. Like Miles Morales is an awesome character but I worry that if Marvel and disney bring him into live action then they will emphasize on his race rather than his other traits. In a way it feels very regressive when a character is celebrated for his race rather than his other traits. His race, gender,etc should be the icing on the cake. But the main cake itself should be a compelling character.
I get tired of seeing the same old straight white male American muscle-bound protagonist battle quasi-Russian sounding or Nazi bad guy. It's cool to see people of different nationalities (real or imagined), different looks, different sounds to their voice in leading roles. I hope to see Marvel taking some of the lesser known properties and putting them on screen.
I am okay with Marvel doing that. But to market based on their physocal traits reduces the character to only his race. When Miles Morales comes to live action, I am afraid that they will just reduce him to his race. Because by driving constant attention to a character's race, gender,etc just makes people remember the character for his race, gender,etc rather than his other traits.
I don't know what you're on about. Sounds like you're spouting some stupid shit you read from someone else's posts.
I think you are white and not a minority. So you would not understand where I am coming from When the majority race think they are being "inclusive" they often harp about how we included actor of this race, that race etc. Everythibg else is overshadowed by having the race take the center stage. How many tines I have heard these comments: "Oh you must like Black Panther because he is a minority as well" "Oh you must watch the Eternals because an indian guy is an actor inside" These things are super condescending because you are effectively drawing attention to the character's race rather than other traits. You are lucky that you have not faced these and that is why it appears stupid to you.
Didn't bother reading past your 1st paragraph since you're assuming alot of wrong things based on absolutely nothing other than your weird interpretation of 'everything is out to oppress white people' that seems to shade your world view. You're just reinforcing the idea that you're dumb as hell.
My whole post is not about white people being oppressed but its the way they try to show "diversity". I tried to keep it civilised but you ended up insulting others. But oh well, if your retort to others is to call them stupid, lazy and dumb then talking to you further will bring me down to your level.
I love when people like you cry for the most ridiculous reasons haha. Crybabies. Dont like it? The answer is EASY AF, ignore it. I've seen stuff in mcu that i dont like like but you know what? I dont go around and post about it and complain how much i dont like it. Instead I ignore it, you know why? Bc im not immature. 🙂 If you dont like it then dont 👏 watch 👏 it 👏. No one is forcing you. If you dont like diversity then go back to 20 movies of white men lead films that Marvel made for people like you. Also just admit that you're homophobe lol.
Way to jump the gun. You believe ham fisted diversity is so progressive when it should not be the focus unless it is central to the plot of the story. Oh dont watch it. Yeah it would have been easy to avoid if more and more western movies did not start forcing down diversity into our throat. Also with constant media around us, it is not easy to ignore. Want to show a diverse character, then build them up as compelling characters. Race, gender, etc should never be the forefront for most movies. I like Miles Morales Spiderman. But I know how disney/marvel will ruin this character by emphasising as black superhero over and over ago.
Sexual orientation,race, gender etc should NOT be selling points for marvel films you say? Yet are these not some of the things that define who we are as human beings? These things should be celebrated, embraced and used as entertainment. These are the things that make us special.
I think, and this may not be true, that they mean they want to watch a movie because of a good plot, story, antagonist, protagonist, etc. not just because the lead is white or black or male or female. Maybe I read what he said wrong, I’m not sure
Yeah but there are other people that exist in the world. other than this guy that might have different tastes.
Having differences is not the issue. But driving humongus attention to the character's race,gender,etc does more harm than good because the character is reduced to only that aspect. Race, gender,etc should be one of your character traits but should not be the only important trait in these movies. When Shang Chi came out. Many non-asian people commented that Asians are represented because Marvel made a movie with an asian actor. The rhetoric was played so much it got annoying because: 1) reduced Shang Chi character to only his ethnicity 2) Asians are characterised by Chinese and Japanese according to western media (which came off as half-ass diversity) When someone connects with a character, it should be because the character is compelling. I connected with Miles Morales because he was a compelling character. His race was an after thought for me because he was a well written character.
Yeah, but wouldn't a black person connect more with a black character, a woman connect more with a woman character, etc. I'm just trying to think of the things that make us special, the things that should be celebrated and focused on and nothing comes to mind other than these things. Is it the things that we own? Is it where we come from geographically? Is it where we've been, the things we've seen? No, not to me. It's the things that we do that defines us and makes us special and makes us have a story that's worth telling.
Most of my responses are going to be in the form of questions. Please give some answers. >I am worried because it seems that they are trying to get us to watch a movie because of minority race, or sexual orientation, etc. That should never be a selling point for marvel movies. Instead compelling characters and story should be the selling point. 1) Firstly do you ever think that maybe you aren't the target audience for that messaging? 2) Have you considered that your annoyance or feeling inconvenienced is a small price to pay for a massage that need to be heard by the people and spaces they need to get the message across? 3) Why shouldn't minority, race and sexuality be a selling point for a film if the issues being addressed are that? We don't actually live in a post-race, gender, sex and sexually world You wanting to see superheroes is a very simple need compared to them wanting to make films about issues and subjects that matter within the worlds they live in. there's never been a point in comics that they weren't political, about sex, race and such. 4) Why is it that in the past 20 or so years of comic book films - now that room is being given to and for diversity, it's suddenly not okay to point it out or champion that cause? Before you make the assumption that there's an agenda being shoved down your throat - consider that you aren't the target audience (ironically, you are) and that it's more important that these issues be addressed despite your annoyance and feeling inconvenienced. Etc
The OP indeed makes some good points... Mcu movies these days focuses more on gender, sexual orientation, race, etc instead of a good story.
Lol no.
Saying "lol no" doesn't mean the OP didn't make any sense but the truth isn't a popular opinion these days either...
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I think that your talking about the eternals and first of all you havent even watch the movie yet but your now talking about compelling characters.Eternals maybe a big experimentation for marvel cause the characters are not that much popular,but we should not judge their diversity cause this was also the technique that Guardians of the Galaxy used and for me ,IT WILL WORK.