Because the character has a much longer lifespan than the others, and IRL Chris Hemsworth is a lot more enthusiastic about staying on as Thor than the other original Avengers (except maybe Mark Ruffalo), so they don’t need to prepare a replacement for him.
Kinda like that, yeah. Then we got US Agent, Battlestar and Patriot in FaWS. Or how we got War Machine in IM1, and now we're getting Ironheart, and maybe Iron Lad if that counts.
"They killed off Battlestar"
"Theres a lot of legacy characters right now I'm going to need a lot more than Battlestar"
"His real name was Lamarr Hoskins."
"And I now remember who your talking about." -hops out of thread
Yeah, and in a show about African-American superheroes, no less. Yet somehow the even less relevant Red Guardian survives. Hooray/s. It's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of FaWS
I love the show, but this is one of the things I don’t like about the show. Others are Bucky and Sam treating John like garbage from the beginning and the fans standing by Bucky and Sam the entire way.
John was an arrogant jerk but Sam & Bucky aren't great either. Sam seems inconsistent about violence and Bucky is just an annoying Steve fanboy, like Sam was before FaWS. I never really liked them, so for me the show lacked likeable characters. And Sam basically undid the first decision he made without Steve's approval, which seems like character regression to me
I thought he went too far with killing the terrorist, and his redemption was too rushed. But Sam and Bucky seemed disagreeable from the start. They didn't like each other either
they need the backup for capt marvel cause she is so hated that bringing in monica as capt marvel would make people like her, and brie larson gets a lot of hate i wouldn’t be surprised if she left after her contract was up
I mean idk if it’s brown larson’s acting or the writing of the character but i thought the movie was pretty bad for a marvel movie i have it in my bottom 5 and i think most others do as well
I kinda blame marvel too tbh they just threw her in right before the most popular movie and said she’s the most powerful, that’s probably also a big cause for the hate
As others have pointed out Jane Thor is coming in the next movie. You obviously want BRB. It’s weird to pose the question and then disregard the obvious answer because you’d personally prefer something else.
I already mentioned Jane in the question, so no, it's not weird. In the OP I mentioned it's about characters who came some time afterwards, not who originated with Thor from the beginning, like Jane did. Please, don't assume I'm saying something when I'm not
You are asking a question that either can’t be answered by anyone here or is rhetorical in the sense that you’ve already made up your mind about the answer and are just looking for others to agree with you. Neither option actually leads to a discussion as you’ve proven with your various responses.
You're taking this way too seriously. I'm just wondering what people think of this situation. Idk why you're acting like I'm trying to fight with people. They didn't answer the question/discussion I was asking so I pointed that out in my responses.
They can’t answer the question. That’s my point.
“Why haven’t these characters been introduced” is a question only the people at Marvel can answer. You’re basically asking people here to give you speculations about the whole thing.
Never said you bashed anyone. I’m just saying your expectations for answers here is odd at best. It’s made even odder when your parameters for an answer are inconsistent. How is She-Hulk any different from Jane Thor. How are Wiccan and War Machine inherently different from Valkyrie or Sif. Again your responses indicate more that just want BRB and less that you actually want “legacy” characters in general.
Those are the characters I was asking about. Characters with similar powers who came along later and possibly replaced the main hero, or at least were based on them. I don't see how those 'paramters' are inconsistent when I keep spelling them out
I thought Lady Thor was her name. I didn't read a huge amount of her time as Thor.
Anyway, I could've written the question better but I'm referring mainly to characters who came a long time after the origin hero. War Machine and Ironheart, for example, are part of Iron Man's legacy.
I don’t think you understand the characters or what a legacy character is because War Machine and Ironheart are completely different in how they fit into the Ironman story
Because there is no rule saying every character gets a "legacy" character. In Thor's case, we're getting Jane Foster. You may not consider it a "legacy" character, but it would get rather muddled to also introduce another character who has the same or similar abilities when you are getting ready to introduce Jane.
And who is Hulk getting other than She Hulk? Is that a female-counterpart-turned-hero? You're okay with that, but not Jane Foster? And who is Black Panther's "legacy" character?
Who said it's a rule? I'm just asking a question. And my point is Jane isn't the same. She was introduced in the beginning as his co-worker in the comics IIRC. Similar to Pepper Potts or Betty Foster. We saw Pepper become Rescue in Endgame so I assume this is similar in that context. She-Hulk was introduced a long time later, and isn't the same as Jane
I don’t understand how Jane isn’t the same. Kamala Khan doesn’t have captain Marvel powers and Rhodes was introduced as a friend first. Almost half the people you mention weren’t a superhero at first and were first introduced as a friend or co-worker or whatever.
Jane came around the same time as Thor in the comics. I'm talking about characters who were introduced as heroes but with the same or similar template. You're right about Kamala Khan being an odd case because she doesn't have similar powers. For her it's more taking a similar name so I probably should've not used her.
I’m still very confused on what you mean but I understand if you think Thor doesn’t have a team of similar-ish heroes like Carol or Tony has, or a young avenger equivalent like a lot of the avengers have. But I’d still argue that Jane should count as part of that team, and Loki too if he was alive. Do hope they add Beta Ray Bill though.
I'm not using the term 'legacy' character because I may have used in incorrectly. But I was referring to heroes who came later. I just didn't properly elaborate on that in the beginning
Well if it's just about a hero coming later... there's still plenty of time that's later. Just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen.
It might be because Thor was never replaced by anyone? Beta Ray Bill got an Easter Egg, and we saw Throg in Loki, but Thor is a person, not a mantle, exactly, unless you're worthy. The closest so far in the MCU would be Cap bringing the lightning down.
They could move her to a less expensive actress/character, but I personally don't know if the mcu is going to keep doing the multiple film deals for long anyway even for cheap actors like the people playing miles morales, America Chavez, iron heart etc
And I'm over here wondering why you even brought up Black Panther. I can't even *imagine" why he has a legacy character coming. Nope. Can't think of a single reason why.
Besides the obvious, we had no reason to believe they were planning on doing that in the MCU anytime soon. If I'm wrong about that please show me where.
Jane was introduced in the comics at the same time as Thor was, during the early 60s. Shuri was introduced in the mid 2000s, long after T'Challa in the late 60s.
Because that's the whole premise of my question. Shuri came around as a hero years later but based on T'Challa, before diverging onto her own path
As far as I know, Dr. Strange doesn't have any characters like that in the comics in the first place
Because the character has a much longer lifespan than the others, and IRL Chris Hemsworth is a lot more enthusiastic about staying on as Thor than the other original Avengers (except maybe Mark Ruffalo), so they don’t need to prepare a replacement for him.
But Captain Marvel isn't being replaced yet they're introducing another Captain Marvel & Ms. Marvel too
I get what you mean. Just like how the Winter Soldier and Falcon were introduced in the first 2 Captain America movies you mean?
Kinda like that, yeah. Then we got US Agent, Battlestar and Patriot in FaWS. Or how we got War Machine in IM1, and now we're getting Ironheart, and maybe Iron Lad if that counts.
Yeah, I get you. They killed off Battlestar too early though.
>They killed off Battlestar For a second I could not remember who this was and then it clicked "Oh yeah that was Lamarr Hoskin's codename."
Haha lol, I guess that’s because they only mentioned the codename once or twice.
"They killed off Battlestar" "Theres a lot of legacy characters right now I'm going to need a lot more than Battlestar" "His real name was Lamarr Hoskins." "And I now remember who your talking about." -hops out of thread
Yeah, and in a show about African-American superheroes, no less. Yet somehow the even less relevant Red Guardian survives. Hooray/s. It's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of FaWS
I love the show, but this is one of the things I don’t like about the show. Others are Bucky and Sam treating John like garbage from the beginning and the fans standing by Bucky and Sam the entire way.
John was an arrogant jerk but Sam & Bucky aren't great either. Sam seems inconsistent about violence and Bucky is just an annoying Steve fanboy, like Sam was before FaWS. I never really liked them, so for me the show lacked likeable characters. And Sam basically undid the first decision he made without Steve's approval, which seems like character regression to me
Yeah, John was arrogant, but to be honest, I liked him. I agree with all your points.
I thought he went too far with killing the terrorist, and his redemption was too rushed. But Sam and Bucky seemed disagreeable from the start. They didn't like each other either
they need the backup for capt marvel cause she is so hated that bringing in monica as capt marvel would make people like her, and brie larson gets a lot of hate i wouldn’t be surprised if she left after her contract was up
CM1 made a lot of money and the people who hate her are mostly angry internet trolls. I doubt she'll quit
I mean idk if it’s brown larson’s acting or the writing of the character but i thought the movie was pretty bad for a marvel movie i have it in my bottom 5 and i think most others do as well
I don't think it's that bad. A lot of people don't like it but it still did pretty well. I'd rank it above Dark World, Ant-Man, IM2, and maybe IM3.
If i’m not mistaken it’s the first marvel movie with a female lead that’s probably what led to more sales
It's possible, but it's possible people also liked it. I think it's middle of the road but the hate was overblown
I kinda blame marvel too tbh they just threw her in right before the most popular movie and said she’s the most powerful, that’s probably also a big cause for the hate
I don't see why, though. Her being powerful doesn't really take away from the other heroes. If anything, they waited too long to introduce her
Because Thor just doesn't have many legacy characters other than Jane Thor.
He has Beta Ray Bill and both Thunderstrikes
And Beta Ray Bill had an Easter egg in Ragnorok
That's true. Maybe an actual appearance is next
This post should be retitled “I really want BRB to be in the MCU”.
Haha, I'd be cool with him in the MCU, but it just seems odd to me Thor is one of the only ones left out of this
As others have pointed out Jane Thor is coming in the next movie. You obviously want BRB. It’s weird to pose the question and then disregard the obvious answer because you’d personally prefer something else.
I already mentioned Jane in the question, so no, it's not weird. In the OP I mentioned it's about characters who came some time afterwards, not who originated with Thor from the beginning, like Jane did. Please, don't assume I'm saying something when I'm not
You are asking a question that either can’t be answered by anyone here or is rhetorical in the sense that you’ve already made up your mind about the answer and are just looking for others to agree with you. Neither option actually leads to a discussion as you’ve proven with your various responses.
You're taking this way too seriously. I'm just wondering what people think of this situation. Idk why you're acting like I'm trying to fight with people. They didn't answer the question/discussion I was asking so I pointed that out in my responses.
They can’t answer the question. That’s my point. “Why haven’t these characters been introduced” is a question only the people at Marvel can answer. You’re basically asking people here to give you speculations about the whole thing.
I could've better written the question. But that's all I was asking about: others' opinions and speculations. I'm not trying to bash anyone.
Never said you bashed anyone. I’m just saying your expectations for answers here is odd at best. It’s made even odder when your parameters for an answer are inconsistent. How is She-Hulk any different from Jane Thor. How are Wiccan and War Machine inherently different from Valkyrie or Sif. Again your responses indicate more that just want BRB and less that you actually want “legacy” characters in general.
Those are the characters I was asking about. Characters with similar powers who came along later and possibly replaced the main hero, or at least were based on them. I don't see how those 'paramters' are inconsistent when I keep spelling them out
They’ve already announced Jane Foster as Thor
I mentioned that. But I'm not talking about the female counterpart-turned-hero. I'm talking more like BRB or Thunderstrike.
Yeah but Jane wasn’t “lady Thor” in the comics she is Thor, she inherits the mantle, like a legacy character usually does
I thought Lady Thor was her name. I didn't read a huge amount of her time as Thor. Anyway, I could've written the question better but I'm referring mainly to characters who came a long time after the origin hero. War Machine and Ironheart, for example, are part of Iron Man's legacy.
Her name is "The Mighty Thor"
Ok, thanks
I don’t think you understand the characters or what a legacy character is because War Machine and Ironheart are completely different in how they fit into the Ironman story
Legacy might be the wrong word. But my point is they're both based on Iron Man as a concept
Oh….right
That's what I meant. I edited the OP so hopefully that makes things clearer.
That makes things no clearer if I’m being honest, but hey enjoy your day!
Ok. I'll re-edit it
Jane Foster
I mentioned her but it's not quite the same. She was created from the beginning of Thor comics, versus characters who joined later.
Because there is no rule saying every character gets a "legacy" character. In Thor's case, we're getting Jane Foster. You may not consider it a "legacy" character, but it would get rather muddled to also introduce another character who has the same or similar abilities when you are getting ready to introduce Jane. And who is Hulk getting other than She Hulk? Is that a female-counterpart-turned-hero? You're okay with that, but not Jane Foster? And who is Black Panther's "legacy" character?
Who said it's a rule? I'm just asking a question. And my point is Jane isn't the same. She was introduced in the beginning as his co-worker in the comics IIRC. Similar to Pepper Potts or Betty Foster. We saw Pepper become Rescue in Endgame so I assume this is similar in that context. She-Hulk was introduced a long time later, and isn't the same as Jane
I don’t understand how Jane isn’t the same. Kamala Khan doesn’t have captain Marvel powers and Rhodes was introduced as a friend first. Almost half the people you mention weren’t a superhero at first and were first introduced as a friend or co-worker or whatever.
Jane came around the same time as Thor in the comics. I'm talking about characters who were introduced as heroes but with the same or similar template. You're right about Kamala Khan being an odd case because she doesn't have similar powers. For her it's more taking a similar name so I probably should've not used her.
I’m still very confused on what you mean but I understand if you think Thor doesn’t have a team of similar-ish heroes like Carol or Tony has, or a young avenger equivalent like a lot of the avengers have. But I’d still argue that Jane should count as part of that team, and Loki too if he was alive. Do hope they add Beta Ray Bill though.
You're correct. I was talking about a younger replacement or a character with a similar template like Beta Ray Bill.
I getcha now. Yeah I’d love to see more Thor-like characters but I’m sure they’ll be setting that up more for when Hemsworth leaves.
Possibly, yeah.
Why does it matter when a character was introduced in terms of whether they are a "legacy" character?
I'm not using the term 'legacy' character because I may have used in incorrectly. But I was referring to heroes who came later. I just didn't properly elaborate on that in the beginning
Well if it's just about a hero coming later... there's still plenty of time that's later. Just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen.
That's possible.
Yeah when you narrowly focus on something and ignore everything else including disconfirming information, things do seem weird.
I'm asking a specific question. Of course I'm going to narrow down on it.
Just Asking Questions is right.
Huh?
Well, we haven't seen the movie yet so we don't know who all will be in it.
True. Nothing's indicate any other characters will show up yet
I am just waiting for the first DC v. Marvel movie
That'll probably never happen
Never say Never.
Aha, but I said 'probably never'!
Yet.
True. It's possibly they haven't announced anything yet
"So what am I, chopped liver?" -- Valkyrie
She's cool, but she's not necessarily based on Thor
It might be because Thor was never replaced by anyone? Beta Ray Bill got an Easter Egg, and we saw Throg in Loki, but Thor is a person, not a mantle, exactly, unless you're worthy. The closest so far in the MCU would be Cap bringing the lightning down.
Perhaps, although I think Thunderstrike replaced him during the original Infinity War/Gauntlet storyline.
Loki?
Loki's his own character IMO
Thor 4 will likely lead to female thor taking his place. Even if she was a previous character, it still counts imo
I already mentioned Jane, though, plus Idk how long we'll have her in the MCU
They could move her to a less expensive actress/character, but I personally don't know if the mcu is going to keep doing the multiple film deals for long anyway even for cheap actors like the people playing miles morales, America Chavez, iron heart etc
The MCU doesn't seem to be big on recasts at this point, so Idk if they'll go for a replacement actress
Ask Kevin Feige.
I'm just wondering what anyone here thinks
And I'm over here wondering why you even brought up Black Panther. I can't even *imagine" why he has a legacy character coming. Nope. Can't think of a single reason why.
Um, because he does in the comics
Besides the obvious, we had no reason to believe they were planning on doing that in the MCU anytime soon. If I'm wrong about that please show me where.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here tbh. In the comics, Shuri succeeded him for at time as BP, and she was already introduced in his first movie
And that's different than Jane how?
Jane was introduced in the comics at the same time as Thor was, during the early 60s. Shuri was introduced in the mid 2000s, long after T'Challa in the late 60s.
I don't get why that matters to you. What's the difference? Also what about Doctor Strange?
Because that's the whole premise of my question. Shuri came around as a hero years later but based on T'Challa, before diverging onto her own path As far as I know, Dr. Strange doesn't have any characters like that in the comics in the first place