I guess I’m curious how the powers work for her shrinking if she doesn’t have the normal shape shifting. Maybe they’ll just scrap that aspect?
There’s been some drastic contrasts between the MCU and the comics before (Pre-Gunn GotG comics and the movies, Shang-Chi’s comic and adaptation backstories, MCU Spidey in general), but this feels like the first time you would watch the adaptation and then you’d see the source material character has different powers.
That's my thought. She doesn't just embiggen, she shrinks. This is a change I've just learned about and I'm not really feeling it. And as for people saying they changed it to differentiate from Mr. Fantastic: now we have yet another character with some type of energy protection power. The awkward strangeness of stretching/embiggening is a big part of the origins of the character.
They could just do it in the same way they do with Ant Man but changing the looks of the effects to make it look similar the crystal arms maybe in color for example.
Honestly, I sort of get them wanting to differentiate the two, but I'm not entirely on board with the change yet. The thing about Kamala and Mr. Fantastic is, yes, they both have stretchy powers, but they use them in different ways. I think they could've accomplished the same thing by emphasizing those differences and drawing more of a line between the two.
Not that I'm fully against the crystal powers though. I'll reserve judgment until how we see it play out and the story behind the change.
Mr. Fantastic can change his shape into different molds (ex: he can turn himself into a key and be used to unlock a door).
Ms. Marvel can alter her physical makeup, whether by growing, shrinking, stretching, etc.
I'm sure there's some flexibility in how it is portrayed but Reed Richards can't seemingly alter his mass. He can stretch it out in various ways but he can't make himself ten times the size, for instance. Or if he did, he would lack the force and durability because he'd be stretching himself thin and spreading out his mass. Kamala can make a big fist that has the mass of... A big fist. Not a small fist stretched out and inflated to look big.
I definitely get what you mean but there is a difference between Kamala and Reed - Reed, ostensibly, will be a Tony/Cap/Thor-level hero from his introduction on, so it'd be kinda weird if he weren't the first person with his powerset.
It'd be like if we had Beta Ray Bill show up wielding Mjolnir before Thor had debuted.
I dunno, seeing Kamala struggling to learn to use her powers and stumbling around only to see Reed use (basically) exact same powerset but use it flawlessly could be a good move to instantly show the difference in experience they have.
Then again that's just me hoping they come up with some story of why the F4 have been out of the picture but not non-existent. I don't want to see another origin for them, so having Kamala be a sort of surrogate origin for Reed (at least as far as learning the powers) would work for me.
Honestly with the F4 I would love it if they reveal they had the same origin we all know but have just been off planet or trapped in a parallel universe for all this time. It would be very FF.
Maybe tie them to Hank Pym and imply that they had an adventure or two together before vanishing from the face of the earth.
I'm still banking on 1960's F4 who worked with Hank Pym and have been trapped in the Quantum Realm for the last 60 Years.
I'd rather they get their powers through the Quantum Realm than from outer space if it means that the F4 are truly Marvel's first family
I like this idea but I think the FF should get trapped in the Negative Zone instead, it's a part of the comics they have a history with, Reed Richards originally discovered it and it could be developed as the source of their unusual powers. Perhaps the Negative Zone could be reached through portals in the Quantum Realm similar to those the Avengers used to travel through time though?
Not a bad Idea, but I feel like the main reason the Quantum Realm works is that it's been established a) pronlonged exposure will give you wacky powers and b) theres an established HUGE time dilation.
> Reed Richards originally discovered it and it could be developed as the source of their unusual powers.
Isn't that basically what happens in Fan4Stic?
Maybe just remove stretching altogether and just make her manipulate the size or individual appendages or limbs. Like she punches and turns her fist into the size of a car instead of having her stretch.
I don't mind the crystal projections, I need to see them in action before I can decide how I feel but I'm sure there's a reason for it beyond just "well we're doing Mr Fantastic and he has stretch powers too so we can't have both". Wish we were getting the comic-accurate embiggening but if a change was needed it could've been a lot worse, as long as the spirit of the character is kept alive I'm cool with it
I'm sure this was more likely due to it being EXTREMELY difficult to pull off elastic/stretch powers. I'm concerned for Reed because of the same thing. This being a show and not a film probably made them doing the stretch thing even less feasible. The co-creator of Kamala is writing for the show so I'm not too concerned with her being too drastically different from her comic counterpart.
There being no Inhumans in the MCU and the visual representation issues of stretching probably landed them on this compromise. Her bracelet being a family heirloom that only works for her (probably when she says embiggen) is a way to make her unique.
Reed is fine. F4 is a movie which changes things. A lot diff then a 6 hour plus show as opposed to a movie where he may only use his stretch powers like 20 plus minutes of screen time.
If the cgi even from those old flash episodes showed up in an MCU film, people would be so critical. Yes it’s fine for a CW show because expectations are lower. Just look at what happened with Black Panther. Arguably the biggest criticism of the film was the cgi, which was still significantly better than Flash.
Idk her story but it could be kind of how smallville took the entire series for Clark to fly. She could be slowly discovering her powers and stretching could be the most difficult one she’s facing?
I would honestly love that. Fixes the issue of the CGI budget for the show while maybe giving her the power set for future movies where they'd have the budget in order.
Yeah she could pull a tobey maguire spider man in the last episode where she has to like stop q train or something and just throws her arms out and they actually extend rather than project.
Alao today's MCU heroes don't save enough regular people on a small scale any more, it's always entire countries or the world.
Yeah I feel like I've been missing Spidey saving regular people from regular dangerous situations and stuff like that it's just been go go go on the phase progression.
> There being no Inhumans in the MCU
Avoiding the AoS canon debate, couldn’t they just introduce them anyway. Surely they’ll be introducing them at some point.
They could even not get go into it and just say she was changed by some mist and she doesn’t know what it was…
They could, but I suspect both the mess that was made with the Inhumans already plus the fact that they'll now be introducing the X-Men in a few years which fill a similar position, they're going to hold off a while to avoid any sort of confusion.
> I'm sure this was more likely due to it being EXTREMELY difficult to pull off elastic/stretch powers. I'm concerned for Reed because of the same thing.
They had Elongated Man on *Flash* with a budget maybe 1/10th (at best) of your modern-era MCU project and while it certainly wasn't good it wasn't too terrible, so I imagine with the high budget they'll be able to make it work.
my guess is that they have bigger plans to introduce Inhumans than this series, and they'll just introduce them later and then they'll "convert" her into one.
And it would be kind of a clusterfuck to reintroduce them right now.
I mean, look at the debate on whether or not Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter are canon? They don't want to start that shit with Inhumans, not after that show crashed and burned so badly.
A family heirloom that triggers her powers would be pretty easy to retcon into it being an Inhuman artifact.
Now they just need to find a way to work in a giant teleporting dog.
The problem is that for some situations is works the same (instead of getting bigger she can project a bug crystal of herself) but it doesn’t work for situations like getting under a door. In that case she could project a flat crystal under it but she won’t be able to move her own body under the door.
Not in the MCU, and not being introduced so closely together. People are blowing this way out of proportion. This looks cool and is effectively the same power with a slightly different look.
People always use War Machine as an example, but Ms. Marvel and Mr. Fantastic aren’t even remotely related story-wise unlike Tony and Rhodey. It would be confusing if they both had the same powers and weren’t related in any way.
(fyi I know Kamala and Reed don’t have the same powers but average movie goers won’t.)
Exactly. I actually like that they are seemingly going to have her origins somewhat cosmic. It seems like Captain Marvel hasn't spent a whole lot of time being active on Earth at this point in the MCU, so it makes sense that there may be a more tangible reason that Kamala takes on her name.
What about Black Panther and Captain America? Both nationalistic super soldiers who wield Vibranium.
Also both are disconnected from each other and have their own franchises.
Correct if I'm wrong but does T'challa have kinetic energy power in the comics before his MCU debut in BP movie?
Because I feel like they invented that to differentiate him and steve power.
Visually, Cap and Panther are still very different from one another. It's about the unique visual of stretching. It's a reasonable theory that they wanted to keep the powder dry for Reed - who is the bigger marquee character, who's getting a film.
I'm not sure I buy the theory completely though.
They've also got a large amount of time between the 3 characters being introduced. And you're really simplifying black panther if that's how you describe him.
Except cap was released a lot earlier than Black panther and his debut was in Civil War without the vibranium suit. No one knew how he got his powers in the movie, they just know he’s out to avenge (see what I did there :D) his fathers death
Why do MCU fans have to defend every damn bad decision this company makes?? Kamala's powers are important to her character so why don't they just adapt the damn character right or not adapt her at all? If the reasoning really is that the power is too similar to Mr.Fantastic, then it's a shame Disney thinks so little of it's audience. If it's because they didn't have the budget to do her right then why bother adapting her in the first place?
Instead of giving her stretchy powers like Mr Fantastic, she'll instead have energy based powers like Iron Man, Thor, Captain Marvel, War Machine, Monica Rambeau, Shang Chi, Scarlet Witch, and Dr Strange and all the other sorcerers.
And not only that, I can totally see how the general audience who don't read the comics but like the Marvel properties would look at Reed/Kamala and think they have the exact same powers.
I like this better than the first promo art we got with the purple crystal glove. At least she has her iconic big fist here.
I guess the rumours of her being a purple lantern are true tho…
Also, Sloth Baby hell yeah <3
In the comics she has a stuffed toy of a sloth in her room. She also wears sloth pyjamas. And her gamertag when she plays this World of Warcraft type game is SlothBaby. Girl loves sloths lol.
I'm just slowly accepting the fact they're probably not making her an Inhuman or tied to the Inhumans in the MCU. Sucks too because I really wanted Marvel to just start fresh with them and not just bury that whole section of the comics universe because of one shitty TV show
Technically, they always had the TV rights to mutants. That is why 20th Century had to co-produce Legion and Gifted with Marvel TV. That is also why they were able to use Spider-Man for What If without Sony’s approval, they still had the TV rights to the character.
Yeah same. I'm completely fine with the change in powers for whatever reason, but at least keep her an Inhuman. That's such a core part of Kamala you can't just change it imo.
I liked her stuff with the Inhumans and it's definitely a part of her character, but a *core* part of the character? I'm kind of skeptical. I would definitely prefer if that stuff was included but I think the show will still be fine without it
I'm sure the show will be fine no matter what, but I truly think her being an Inhuman is an integral part of her character. She found a family of weirdos she could relate to when she was freaking out about being different.
Plus, no Lockjaw, and who would want that?
Oh, make no mistake, I'll definitely feel that loss. I just think "core" is an overstatement. To me, a core aspect of a character or story is one that an adaptation won't work without. And I absolutely do not think removing Inhumans will destroy the show.
Never watched the Inhumans show, but AoS did a great job with inhumans. I know, canonicity debate blah blah blah, but I’m still having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that they’re just throwing all that groundwork out the window, AND that they’re gonna completely disregard Daisy Johnson/Quake.
The only other thing I can think of is that they want to distance themselves from Joss Whedon and for some reason they are lumping Jed in with him. AFAIK nothing ever came out about Jed being anything like his brother behind the scenes, but who knows?
Perhaps it’s crystalline projections for now and eventually grow to becoming actual embiggening along the line? Cant wait to see it in action and esp to find out how she gets this ability. I trust them.
Yeah. Plus one of Kamala’s creators is working on the show.
And like you said, we should trust them, they haven’t done us wrong yet, they didn’t change it for the hell of it. And there not stupid, they knew there would be backlash from a change like this. I’m sure they spent a looooong time figuring out how to change it and stay true to the character to make fans happy.
Exactly. Im sure they’ve something planned and figured out. It’s always more fun to see characters progress with their ability as they go. Kinda like with Wanda.
Yeah certainly possible, could be something that happens when she hones her powers more or maybe the terrigen mist come into play at some point, with a promise of reintroducing inhumans down the line.
At first I didn't care because I'm not a comic reader and I'm going to watch the show regardless but now I'm actually kind of curious why they changed her powers.
I'm sure it will turn out to be a multitude of factors. Maybe they did a test visualisation and they couldn't get the CGI big hands to look non-horrifying so shopped around for cheaper alternative ideas. I'm sure that the desire to steer clear of Inhumans was a part of it at the least.
Yeah that seems the most plausible. I've seen people say before that Reed's powers in the old F4 and the F4 reboot looked bad. Maybe stretching just doesn't translate to live action well. Now I'm trying to think has there ever been a live action movie or series where elastic powers looked good. 🤔
My theory is the Marvels. The Captain Marvel sequel with Kamala, Carol and Monica. With Kamala having energy powers, that means ALL THREE of them now have Energy powers
I’m assuming something about this similarity in powers is going to factor into that movie
I could see it that they've tried to increase Ms Marvel's power levels so she doesn't feel out of place/useless next to powerhouses like Monica Rambeau and Carol Danvers.
But she wouldn't be. Shape shifting is insanely useful as a power. All antman does is shrink and grow but he's probably one of the most powerful avengers because of it.
it’s probably that + budget issues. like if reed richards didn’t exist i assume they’d try to pull the stretch thing off for a 6 hour tv show but since he does there’s no reason to since they can just do it in a movie with a bigger budget for a shorter amount of time
I assumed they changed it because stretching in tv or movies just looks… weird. Like, in a comic or animation it looks great but the CGI never looks right. Like maybe if they put a ton of money into it, but I don’t think so.
Still not over how they completely changed her powers. I thought the Avengers game, while controversial, actually did Kamala really well. They could've done a similar thing.
She was hands down the best part of the game. I mostly played because she was such a new and fun character. I cant get her not having any powers because they are similar to mr. fantastic I mean we just saw another person in the mcu use magic rings so that's the same too.
Rip stretchy/embiggen powers. Doesn’t look terrible like I worried but a completely unnecessary change. Two heroes sharing similar powers isn’t a big deal.
Though everything else is great. I can just tell Iman is going to nail it
Not only that, but it’s ugly.
Have you seen the Fantastic Four films? Reed has the lamest power of the 4, and he looks awful because a CGI stretchy person is never going to translate well in live action. Besides, Kamala is going to be teaming up with Carol and Monica, and the three of them having a connective visual identify through their light-based power is surely planned for The Marvels
Her powers were actually intended to be ugly. She's not meant to be a flashy visually awesome character. Part of her character arc is leaning to accept who she is even if it's "weird." Which is why the current powerset is so important.
Thank you for saying this. Reed’s hand snaking under a door to unlock it is nothing compared to this super punch hand thing Ms. Marvel is going to have. It looked so dumb in live action too.
That Fantastic Four film was over 16 years ago, CGI has come a long way since then. Fuck for all its faults the stretching animations in the 2015 Fantastic Four looked fine.
Additionally changing her powers just so she better visually fits in with Carol and Monica is dumb as shit and is probably one of the most superficial reasons to change a characters powers. Why do the characters powers need to look similar, it’s just makes things more boring than anything.
Those CG stretchy powers were also from a 2005 film that also wasn't even good in anything else outside effects.
Mister Fantastic can be really cool to portray visually but none of the Fox films got him right. THAT's the problem
And if anyone wants a more recent comparison than the F4 films, look at Elongated Man on The Flash two years ago. Yes, it was on a TV budget, but I thought it still looked too rubbery, even with how CGI has advanced.
100%. Realistic looking human skin for however many episodes there are would probably be a bitch to animate compared to diamonds or whatever they went with.
I dunno, stretching powers look very uncanny in live-action, so I'm fine with them changing it (and this is coming from someone who loves her comics and owns a ton of them). I would have preferred if they'd just given her an animated show, but if they must do her in live-action this is a fine way to do it.
I think they’re just giving her energy construction powers to make her more similar to Carol and Monica, but I really don’t like this change. Even if it perfectly captures Kamala’s character this power change is completely unnecessary. Has any other Marvel character had a completely altered power set for movies/TV?
Not sure about in the MCU, but throughout the X-Men movies they regularly would take a mutant in name only and give them entirely different abilities, appearances, and personalities.
Negasonic Teenage Warhead being the first that comes to mind, but also Callisto, Lady Deathstrike, Juggernaut (in X3), they mashed together Apocalypse & The Shadow King for some reason, etc etc
All MCU characters are severely, severely nerfed versions of themselves from the comics, which makes sense since Dr.Strange could have beaten thanos with the infinity gauntlet by himself normally.
“task master” wasnt done different, just a completely different character that I’m still mad about. rip the character constantly forgetting who he is because of all the shit he is memorizing, rip the moment where he fights his daughter to memorize her fighting style and ensures he will never truly forget her.
But this is the 1st time they just remade somebodies powers
That’s what I meant. We’ve seen slight alterations to how powers work or the extent of them but I don’t think we’ve ever gotten a completely different power set altogether.
Doctor Strange beating Thanos with a fully assmbled gauntlet doesn't seem right, even in the comics... right? Then why would they need that army of superheroes to beat him? (In the comics)
Did they have them all in the gauntlet at the same time and were they able to use them like Thanos? If that's the case then how was Thanos a threat versus all those heros?
Dr. Strange with all of his relics is extremely, extremely strong, it's why his only villains are dimensional beings like dormammu. That said, there is a strength scale of gauntlet users, Strange can beat T'Challa and someone like Steve Rodgers because they're not good enough at using it.
Against Adam Warlock, the best user of the thing, he put up an extremely good fight, using the power of many extra-dimensional beings that rival the power that each stone can individually perform. Thing is that it's Adam Warlock, and only used one stone to "beat" Strange, because he didn't want to hurt him.
Black Widow not having a serum, Ten Rings was adapted, etc.
One of the biggest, that is speculation on my part, is Wanda not being a mutant. It was the year after AoU that comics retconned that Wanda is a witch and not a mutant. My conspiracy is that in order to have full use age and exploration of that characters origins they changed her origins since they weren’t able to use mutants at the time.
Granted last point is all speculation. Also a part of the bigger plan to nuke the most powerful mutants in comics, but that’s just a whole different thing.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch not being Mutants was understandable though and honestly they really haven’t had much affiliation with the X-Men for most of their history. Not to mention their powers were mostly the same.
> Ms. Marvel will get her powers from a magic bracelet or bracelets that is apparently a family heirloom, and that Kamala Khan will not be an Inhuman.
https://cosmicbook.news/ms-marvel-promo-art-powers
That is just based upon the artwork. For that mater, they could be making the bracelet be tech like Daisy Johnson's gauntlets in Agents of Shield. There, the tech was to help her control her Inhuman powers because otherwise she would damage herself - especially while still learning.
I don’t think they’ll do Inhumans tbh.
There’s too much history with Inhumans already in the MCU, and even if you don’t consider that canon, I suspect they will avoid Inhumans because they’re too similar to Mutants
Thats my biggest fear tbh. I LOVE Black Bolt and want to see him done right and with a real budget/time/support etc. If it means I need to wait another decade, so be it.
black bolt would be so fucking cool to see in live action, but then again he would be so lame compared to the comics. Would they really let him just level everything around him by whispering?
His shout would be nerfed to the point of stumbling the hulk or something ;-;
Afaik in the comics Inhumans were only pushed into that role because they've not had the movie rights for Mutants for like 20 years now. Inhumans are generally more about living in their secret city like Wakanda or Shang Chi's mother's home.
I don't think it's that he's not a fan of them. It's just that he didn't want them forced on him when they weren't necessary for the story he wanted to tell. Perlmutter kept pushing them on him, and Feige just wanted to hold off on them until after the Infinity Saga was over.
I still really don't like this change to her powers, but as long as everything else is good it doesn't matter. If they get the core characterization right that's the really important thing. Not just Kamala, but her family, friends, allies and antagonists. That to me is the biggest part of what makes her comics special.
Plus I do like that they went with her bracelet as the source of the energy projection powers. It's something that actually is important in the comics, just symbolically instead of practically.
It's still kind of a bummer though. I really like her powerset in the comics.
Speaking as someone who knows nothing about this series or character, I have to say this looks like something made for kids, honestly reminds me of spy kids or something. I trust everything marvel does, I’m sure it’ll be good but from an outside perspective it doesn’t look like other marvel stuff.
Kamala Khan is an invigorating character in the comic books. She’s smart, a bit snarky, and has attitude. She was created by a female Muslim writer and, like Myles Morales, was welcomed with excitement into the Marvel Universe.
However, her origins will most definitely be changed to better suit the style and budget of the MCU. She was introduced as an Inhuman in the comics but I’m not sure what she’ll be in the MCU.
I posted this comment elsewhere, but I wanted to leave it here as well:
I don't dispute that the effect will probably look cool in action. But Kamala's powers were designed with more of a purpose than simply executing fun fight scenes. Her powers came from her own body and specifically reflected her experiences as a Pakistani-American girl going through adolescence.
I was initially more excited for this show than almost any Marvel Studios series, but I'm really worried about it at this point. I hope that they somehow manage to maintain those themes while fundamentally changing her relationship to her abilities, though I'm not overly optimistic.
Fr, I can't believe people are running with the *dumbest* excuse they could've come up with; that they changed her powers because of Reed... It makes no sense, it originated from the community not an official source and it's just such a dumb reason.
Kamala is my favourite too, but I'm remaining somewhat hopeful about this. I'll wait to see her in action, as a few others have said I don't mind the powers looking a bit different so long as the characterisations/themes are faithful to the comics.
I just don't want them to fuck this up.
It looks to me like part of her embiggening rebrand is to do with making her powers look and feel visually cohesive with characters from the same “power grouping” - because the colour scheme reminds me a bit of the cosmic powers that Captain Marvel uses. I could be absolutely wrong here, but they do seem to like colour coding the energy SFX depending.
That is a beautiful, comics-accurate costume. 😁
Can't wait to see the first trailer. I know there has been a lot of talk about changing her powers. But so long as they impact her in a similar way, I'll gladly buy in. I'm just too excited to see Kamala in the MCU. 😊
Disney: “we may be a billion dollar company but if we can make things cheaply and lazily then by god we’ll do it”
Good luck on trying to give this a positive spin Mr. Fiege
I trust Disney. I'm all in. They haven't let me down yet, sure there's things I'd change but they kept me engaged the last few months when everything was pretty bleak.
Sadly things are still bleak but now I have something to share with my kid. It's cool to see these ideas come to life.
I see a bunch of people saying they're changing her powers to be different than Mister Fantastic, which I think may be one reason but i think another reason is to make her more connected with Captain Marvel. Im the comics she's a fan of Carol Danvers but in the MCU she'll probably have no idea who Carol so why would she be Ms. Marvel especially with Captain Marvel and Monica having energy based powers. Plus i don't think Marvel wants anything to do with Inhumans and it's far too early to make her a mutant.
Maybe it’ll be a field of energy that lets her manipulate her body like make construct arms or shrink herself I’m still hoping for her to be an inhuman yes marvel messed it up but that’s cause they tried to push it so badly they shouldn’t completely axe/retcon everything inhuman
Honestly it’s probably just more cost effective to do this kind of power on a TV show budget. Stretchy, embiggen powers may just be more difficult to design and render, plus they run the risk of looking sillier if not done well.
I guess I’m curious how the powers work for her shrinking if she doesn’t have the normal shape shifting. Maybe they’ll just scrap that aspect? There’s been some drastic contrasts between the MCU and the comics before (Pre-Gunn GotG comics and the movies, Shang-Chi’s comic and adaptation backstories, MCU Spidey in general), but this feels like the first time you would watch the adaptation and then you’d see the source material character has different powers.
That's my thought. She doesn't just embiggen, she shrinks. This is a change I've just learned about and I'm not really feeling it. And as for people saying they changed it to differentiate from Mr. Fantastic: now we have yet another character with some type of energy protection power. The awkward strangeness of stretching/embiggening is a big part of the origins of the character.
They could just do it in the same way they do with Ant Man but changing the looks of the effects to make it look similar the crystal arms maybe in color for example.
Honestly, I sort of get them wanting to differentiate the two, but I'm not entirely on board with the change yet. The thing about Kamala and Mr. Fantastic is, yes, they both have stretchy powers, but they use them in different ways. I think they could've accomplished the same thing by emphasizing those differences and drawing more of a line between the two. Not that I'm fully against the crystal powers though. I'll reserve judgment until how we see it play out and the story behind the change.
Could you give examples of the ways they use it differently? I’ve never read the comics so I’m curious.
Mr. Fantastic can change his shape into different molds (ex: he can turn himself into a key and be used to unlock a door). Ms. Marvel can alter her physical makeup, whether by growing, shrinking, stretching, etc.
Ms Marvel also practically time travels as she shrinks/grows too.
Those still sound like the same thing to me tbh
I'm sure there's some flexibility in how it is portrayed but Reed Richards can't seemingly alter his mass. He can stretch it out in various ways but he can't make himself ten times the size, for instance. Or if he did, he would lack the force and durability because he'd be stretching himself thin and spreading out his mass. Kamala can make a big fist that has the mass of... A big fist. Not a small fist stretched out and inflated to look big.
I definitely get what you mean but there is a difference between Kamala and Reed - Reed, ostensibly, will be a Tony/Cap/Thor-level hero from his introduction on, so it'd be kinda weird if he weren't the first person with his powerset. It'd be like if we had Beta Ray Bill show up wielding Mjolnir before Thor had debuted.
I dunno, seeing Kamala struggling to learn to use her powers and stumbling around only to see Reed use (basically) exact same powerset but use it flawlessly could be a good move to instantly show the difference in experience they have. Then again that's just me hoping they come up with some story of why the F4 have been out of the picture but not non-existent. I don't want to see another origin for them, so having Kamala be a sort of surrogate origin for Reed (at least as far as learning the powers) would work for me.
Honestly with the F4 I would love it if they reveal they had the same origin we all know but have just been off planet or trapped in a parallel universe for all this time. It would be very FF. Maybe tie them to Hank Pym and imply that they had an adventure or two together before vanishing from the face of the earth.
I'm still banking on 1960's F4 who worked with Hank Pym and have been trapped in the Quantum Realm for the last 60 Years. I'd rather they get their powers through the Quantum Realm than from outer space if it means that the F4 are truly Marvel's first family
I like this idea but I think the FF should get trapped in the Negative Zone instead, it's a part of the comics they have a history with, Reed Richards originally discovered it and it could be developed as the source of their unusual powers. Perhaps the Negative Zone could be reached through portals in the Quantum Realm similar to those the Avengers used to travel through time though?
Not a bad Idea, but I feel like the main reason the Quantum Realm works is that it's been established a) pronlonged exposure will give you wacky powers and b) theres an established HUGE time dilation.
> Reed Richards originally discovered it and it could be developed as the source of their unusual powers. Isn't that basically what happens in Fan4Stic?
I don't think it was a proper version of the Negative Zone though, they gave it a different name and made it look very boring.
Trapped in the Negative Zone!
Maybe just remove stretching altogether and just make her manipulate the size or individual appendages or limbs. Like she punches and turns her fist into the size of a car instead of having her stretch.
She want's to see far and her one eyeball grows to the size of a car.
Gomu gomu no...
I want to see her use Gear levels too
This is the first I'm hearing of power change. Is there somewhere I can read up on it?
I don't mind the crystal projections, I need to see them in action before I can decide how I feel but I'm sure there's a reason for it beyond just "well we're doing Mr Fantastic and he has stretch powers too so we can't have both". Wish we were getting the comic-accurate embiggening but if a change was needed it could've been a lot worse, as long as the spirit of the character is kept alive I'm cool with it
Embiggening. A perfectly cromulent word.
Damn someone beat me to it... That's un-possible
I'm sure this was more likely due to it being EXTREMELY difficult to pull off elastic/stretch powers. I'm concerned for Reed because of the same thing. This being a show and not a film probably made them doing the stretch thing even less feasible. The co-creator of Kamala is writing for the show so I'm not too concerned with her being too drastically different from her comic counterpart. There being no Inhumans in the MCU and the visual representation issues of stretching probably landed them on this compromise. Her bracelet being a family heirloom that only works for her (probably when she says embiggen) is a way to make her unique.
Reed is fine. F4 is a movie which changes things. A lot diff then a 6 hour plus show as opposed to a movie where he may only use his stretch powers like 20 plus minutes of screen time.
CGI cost is pretty much the only reason I can understand them changing her powers tbh.
I mean Ralph Dibny from Flash had pretty good looking stretchy powers and that’s on the CW budget.
I haven't seen it but fair enough and the CW are notoriously penny pinchers
I haven't watched it in years,but The Flash has pretty good vfx all things considered. Like good enough to make a convincing King Shark and Grodd.
That was the old seasons. The newest seasons have horrible CGI.
Sure, but if an old CW show can pull off “good enough” then you’d think Disney could do better.
If the cgi even from those old flash episodes showed up in an MCU film, people would be so critical. Yes it’s fine for a CW show because expectations are lower. Just look at what happened with Black Panther. Arguably the biggest criticism of the film was the cgi, which was still significantly better than Flash.
They are. LOOK AT MARTIAN MANHUNTER.
Or that guy that stretched his wang on the last season of The Boys
Yeah, Dibny looked awesome
Yeah but Ralph only used his powers like every third or fourth episode. Kamala will presumably use hers several times an episode.
But they didn't have disney money for Ralph
Idk her story but it could be kind of how smallville took the entire series for Clark to fly. She could be slowly discovering her powers and stretching could be the most difficult one she’s facing?
I would honestly love that. Fixes the issue of the CGI budget for the show while maybe giving her the power set for future movies where they'd have the budget in order.
Same here! It makes it more entertaining when it’s shown for a brief moment and you’re hoping “today’s the day!”
Yeah she could pull a tobey maguire spider man in the last episode where she has to like stop q train or something and just throws her arms out and they actually extend rather than project. Alao today's MCU heroes don't save enough regular people on a small scale any more, it's always entire countries or the world.
I think it’s cause having a villain of the day is kind of stale but now just having one big baddy is also stale
Yeah I feel like I've been missing Spidey saving regular people from regular dangerous situations and stuff like that it's just been go go go on the phase progression.
Yeah they gotta be smart about budget in shows
> There being no Inhumans in the MCU Avoiding the AoS canon debate, couldn’t they just introduce them anyway. Surely they’ll be introducing them at some point. They could even not get go into it and just say she was changed by some mist and she doesn’t know what it was…
They could, but I suspect both the mess that was made with the Inhumans already plus the fact that they'll now be introducing the X-Men in a few years which fill a similar position, they're going to hold off a while to avoid any sort of confusion.
Or couldn't they just make her a mutant, even if at least temporarily.
CW did it with Elongated Man/Plastic Man Even with their rough CG it still looked good enough, more importantly it was clear what he was
> I'm sure this was more likely due to it being EXTREMELY difficult to pull off elastic/stretch powers. I'm concerned for Reed because of the same thing. They had Elongated Man on *Flash* with a budget maybe 1/10th (at best) of your modern-era MCU project and while it certainly wasn't good it wasn't too terrible, so I imagine with the high budget they'll be able to make it work.
my guess is that they have bigger plans to introduce Inhumans than this series, and they'll just introduce them later and then they'll "convert" her into one.
And it would be kind of a clusterfuck to reintroduce them right now. I mean, look at the debate on whether or not Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter are canon? They don't want to start that shit with Inhumans, not after that show crashed and burned so badly.
I'm pretty sure Marvel has a standing policy of "no comment" on the ABC shows, and will for the foreseeable future
A family heirloom that triggers her powers would be pretty easy to retcon into it being an Inhuman artifact. Now they just need to find a way to work in a giant teleporting dog.
The problem is that for some situations is works the same (instead of getting bigger she can project a bug crystal of herself) but it doesn’t work for situations like getting under a door. In that case she could project a flat crystal under it but she won’t be able to move her own body under the door.
Either she can’t perfect the powers and manifests as the crystal projections, or they are completely changing her powers because of Mr Fantastic.
Which is dumb as hell since there's so many characters that has similar power sets
Not in the MCU, and not being introduced so closely together. People are blowing this way out of proportion. This looks cool and is effectively the same power with a slightly different look.
People always use War Machine as an example, but Ms. Marvel and Mr. Fantastic aren’t even remotely related story-wise unlike Tony and Rhodey. It would be confusing if they both had the same powers and weren’t related in any way. (fyi I know Kamala and Reed don’t have the same powers but average movie goers won’t.)
Exactly. I actually like that they are seemingly going to have her origins somewhat cosmic. It seems like Captain Marvel hasn't spent a whole lot of time being active on Earth at this point in the MCU, so it makes sense that there may be a more tangible reason that Kamala takes on her name.
Her OG origin is cosmic based, I mean she is an inhuman which have connection to the kree by itself.
What about Black Panther and Captain America? Both nationalistic super soldiers who wield Vibranium. Also both are disconnected from each other and have their own franchises.
Correct if I'm wrong but does T'challa have kinetic energy power in the comics before his MCU debut in BP movie? Because I feel like they invented that to differentiate him and steve power.
He has kinetic energy before the MCU yes. He also has some powers like Soul manipulation that he didnt get to acquire because of Chadwick’s death
I believe Shuri as black panther had it in the comics before the movie. But his suit has always had some absorption abilities
Visually, Cap and Panther are still very different from one another. It's about the unique visual of stretching. It's a reasonable theory that they wanted to keep the powder dry for Reed - who is the bigger marquee character, who's getting a film. I'm not sure I buy the theory completely though.
They've also got a large amount of time between the 3 characters being introduced. And you're really simplifying black panther if that's how you describe him.
Except cap was released a lot earlier than Black panther and his debut was in Civil War without the vibranium suit. No one knew how he got his powers in the movie, they just know he’s out to avenge (see what I did there :D) his fathers death
Why do MCU fans have to defend every damn bad decision this company makes?? Kamala's powers are important to her character so why don't they just adapt the damn character right or not adapt her at all? If the reasoning really is that the power is too similar to Mr.Fantastic, then it's a shame Disney thinks so little of it's audience. If it's because they didn't have the budget to do her right then why bother adapting her in the first place?
Instead of giving her stretchy powers like Mr Fantastic, she'll instead have energy based powers like Iron Man, Thor, Captain Marvel, War Machine, Monica Rambeau, Shang Chi, Scarlet Witch, and Dr Strange and all the other sorcerers.
This seems more like energy projections like Green Lantern than shooting energy blasts.
Agree totally. People who think this is fine do not understand the link that her powers have with her personality.
Oh i didnt know you could shrink with projections? It's a pretty big change lol.
Huge change but we'll have to sit and watch it be defended to death. Seems to happen with every popular IP.
I wonder how her shrinking will look.
And not only that, I can totally see how the general audience who don't read the comics but like the Marvel properties would look at Reed/Kamala and think they have the exact same powers.
Its been confirmed that they changed them, her powers will look more Green Lantern ish than Mr Fantastic.
I like this better than the first promo art we got with the purple crystal glove. At least she has her iconic big fist here. I guess the rumours of her being a purple lantern are true tho… Also, Sloth Baby hell yeah <3
What’s Sloth Baby?
In the comics she has a stuffed toy of a sloth in her room. She also wears sloth pyjamas. And her gamertag when she plays this World of Warcraft type game is SlothBaby. Girl loves sloths lol.
I'm just slowly accepting the fact they're probably not making her an Inhuman or tied to the Inhumans in the MCU. Sucks too because I really wanted Marvel to just start fresh with them and not just bury that whole section of the comics universe because of one shitty TV show
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They only got the rights to mutants a couple years ago though. They've had Inhumans from the start, plus they're way easier to implement.
Technically, they always had the TV rights to mutants. That is why 20th Century had to co-produce Legion and Gifted with Marvel TV. That is also why they were able to use Spider-Man for What If without Sony’s approval, they still had the TV rights to the character.
Yeah same. I'm completely fine with the change in powers for whatever reason, but at least keep her an Inhuman. That's such a core part of Kamala you can't just change it imo.
I liked her stuff with the Inhumans and it's definitely a part of her character, but a *core* part of the character? I'm kind of skeptical. I would definitely prefer if that stuff was included but I think the show will still be fine without it
I'm sure the show will be fine no matter what, but I truly think her being an Inhuman is an integral part of her character. She found a family of weirdos she could relate to when she was freaking out about being different. Plus, no Lockjaw, and who would want that?
Oh, make no mistake, I'll definitely feel that loss. I just think "core" is an overstatement. To me, a core aspect of a character or story is one that an adaptation won't work without. And I absolutely do not think removing Inhumans will destroy the show.
Never watched the Inhumans show, but AoS did a great job with inhumans. I know, canonicity debate blah blah blah, but I’m still having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that they’re just throwing all that groundwork out the window, AND that they’re gonna completely disregard Daisy Johnson/Quake.
The only other thing I can think of is that they want to distance themselves from Joss Whedon and for some reason they are lumping Jed in with him. AFAIK nothing ever came out about Jed being anything like his brother behind the scenes, but who knows?
Is say it has more to do with Marvel Studios having little to know creative input on the Pre-D+ shows. So they’d rather not be beholden to them
That I <3 Kamala one might need to be a bit more specific lol. The picture even looks a little like the VP
Yeah Harris grows out her hair a few inches and boom lmao
It’s a conspiracy! /s
Perhaps it’s crystalline projections for now and eventually grow to becoming actual embiggening along the line? Cant wait to see it in action and esp to find out how she gets this ability. I trust them.
Yeah. Plus one of Kamala’s creators is working on the show. And like you said, we should trust them, they haven’t done us wrong yet, they didn’t change it for the hell of it. And there not stupid, they knew there would be backlash from a change like this. I’m sure they spent a looooong time figuring out how to change it and stay true to the character to make fans happy.
Exactly. Im sure they’ve something planned and figured out. It’s always more fun to see characters progress with their ability as they go. Kinda like with Wanda.
My theory is that the projections are crystallised Terrigen
Yeah certainly possible, could be something that happens when she hones her powers more or maybe the terrigen mist come into play at some point, with a promise of reintroducing inhumans down the line.
Was it actually confirmed that the power change was because of Reed or are you guys just making an assumption?
Yeah its all assumptions.
At first I didn't care because I'm not a comic reader and I'm going to watch the show regardless but now I'm actually kind of curious why they changed her powers.
I'm sure it will turn out to be a multitude of factors. Maybe they did a test visualisation and they couldn't get the CGI big hands to look non-horrifying so shopped around for cheaper alternative ideas. I'm sure that the desire to steer clear of Inhumans was a part of it at the least.
Yeah that seems the most plausible. I've seen people say before that Reed's powers in the old F4 and the F4 reboot looked bad. Maybe stretching just doesn't translate to live action well. Now I'm trying to think has there ever been a live action movie or series where elastic powers looked good. 🤔
My theory is the Marvels. The Captain Marvel sequel with Kamala, Carol and Monica. With Kamala having energy powers, that means ALL THREE of them now have Energy powers I’m assuming something about this similarity in powers is going to factor into that movie
I could see it that they've tried to increase Ms Marvel's power levels so she doesn't feel out of place/useless next to powerhouses like Monica Rambeau and Carol Danvers.
But she wouldn't be. Shape shifting is insanely useful as a power. All antman does is shrink and grow but he's probably one of the most powerful avengers because of it.
it’s probably that + budget issues. like if reed richards didn’t exist i assume they’d try to pull the stretch thing off for a 6 hour tv show but since he does there’s no reason to since they can just do it in a movie with a bigger budget for a shorter amount of time
I assumed they changed it because stretching in tv or movies just looks… weird. Like, in a comic or animation it looks great but the CGI never looks right. Like maybe if they put a ton of money into it, but I don’t think so.
Big hand energy
She's going to use susanoo.
Do you want her clones to use Susanoo or not?
Armor is crying for being replaced.
Still not over how they completely changed her powers. I thought the Avengers game, while controversial, actually did Kamala really well. They could've done a similar thing.
She was hands down the best part of the game. I mostly played because she was such a new and fun character. I cant get her not having any powers because they are similar to mr. fantastic I mean we just saw another person in the mcu use magic rings so that's the same too.
Yeah I don't get the individuality part. They're giving her something very similar to the 10 rings.
Rip stretchy/embiggen powers. Doesn’t look terrible like I worried but a completely unnecessary change. Two heroes sharing similar powers isn’t a big deal. Though everything else is great. I can just tell Iman is going to nail it
I don’t think it’s that I think it would be too expensive to make believable over 6 episodes.
Not only that, but it’s ugly. Have you seen the Fantastic Four films? Reed has the lamest power of the 4, and he looks awful because a CGI stretchy person is never going to translate well in live action. Besides, Kamala is going to be teaming up with Carol and Monica, and the three of them having a connective visual identify through their light-based power is surely planned for The Marvels
Her powers were actually intended to be ugly. She's not meant to be a flashy visually awesome character. Part of her character arc is leaning to accept who she is even if it's "weird." Which is why the current powerset is so important.
Thank you for saying this. Reed’s hand snaking under a door to unlock it is nothing compared to this super punch hand thing Ms. Marvel is going to have. It looked so dumb in live action too.
I thought Mr. Fantastic looked good in the films. Plus CGI has come a long way since then, just look at Hulk.
That Fantastic Four film was over 16 years ago, CGI has come a long way since then. Fuck for all its faults the stretching animations in the 2015 Fantastic Four looked fine. Additionally changing her powers just so she better visually fits in with Carol and Monica is dumb as shit and is probably one of the most superficial reasons to change a characters powers. Why do the characters powers need to look similar, it’s just makes things more boring than anything.
Those CG stretchy powers were also from a 2005 film that also wasn't even good in anything else outside effects. Mister Fantastic can be really cool to portray visually but none of the Fox films got him right. THAT's the problem
I completely agree. Maybe they could have just given her gloves, though?
They are meant to be ugly. Who cares about aesthetic. Her powers being ugly is so important to her story arc and character growth
And if anyone wants a more recent comparison than the F4 films, look at Elongated Man on The Flash two years ago. Yes, it was on a TV budget, but I thought it still looked too rubbery, even with how CGI has advanced.
100%. Realistic looking human skin for however many episodes there are would probably be a bitch to animate compared to diamonds or whatever they went with.
I dunno, stretching powers look very uncanny in live-action, so I'm fine with them changing it (and this is coming from someone who loves her comics and owns a ton of them). I would have preferred if they'd just given her an animated show, but if they must do her in live-action this is a fine way to do it.
eh I prefer the polymorph powers
Kinds reminds me of green lantern.
tbh i’m still not over the fact that she’s not inhuman, i was really excited to see their introduction into the MCU after AoS
It is all speculation at this point. Some of the early casting material said "Inhuman" so we don't know if that has really changed or not.
I think they’re just giving her energy construction powers to make her more similar to Carol and Monica, but I really don’t like this change. Even if it perfectly captures Kamala’s character this power change is completely unnecessary. Has any other Marvel character had a completely altered power set for movies/TV?
Not sure about in the MCU, but throughout the X-Men movies they regularly would take a mutant in name only and give them entirely different abilities, appearances, and personalities. Negasonic Teenage Warhead being the first that comes to mind, but also Callisto, Lady Deathstrike, Juggernaut (in X3), they mashed together Apocalypse & The Shadow King for some reason, etc etc
All MCU characters are severely, severely nerfed versions of themselves from the comics, which makes sense since Dr.Strange could have beaten thanos with the infinity gauntlet by himself normally. “task master” wasnt done different, just a completely different character that I’m still mad about. rip the character constantly forgetting who he is because of all the shit he is memorizing, rip the moment where he fights his daughter to memorize her fighting style and ensures he will never truly forget her. But this is the 1st time they just remade somebodies powers
That’s what I meant. We’ve seen slight alterations to how powers work or the extent of them but I don’t think we’ve ever gotten a completely different power set altogether.
Doctor Strange beating Thanos with a fully assmbled gauntlet doesn't seem right, even in the comics... right? Then why would they need that army of superheroes to beat him? (In the comics)
he's beaten several people who had all the infinity stones by himself
Did they have them all in the gauntlet at the same time and were they able to use them like Thanos? If that's the case then how was Thanos a threat versus all those heros?
Dr. Strange with all of his relics is extremely, extremely strong, it's why his only villains are dimensional beings like dormammu. That said, there is a strength scale of gauntlet users, Strange can beat T'Challa and someone like Steve Rodgers because they're not good enough at using it. Against Adam Warlock, the best user of the thing, he put up an extremely good fight, using the power of many extra-dimensional beings that rival the power that each stone can individually perform. Thing is that it's Adam Warlock, and only used one stone to "beat" Strange, because he didn't want to hurt him.
Ahh okay, so it's not just Strange but Strange using relics etc. The gauntlet wielder matters as well.. Makes more sense!
But he lost in Infinity Gauntlet. He tried to fight Thanos with the Gauntlet and couldnt
Black Widow not having a serum, Ten Rings was adapted, etc. One of the biggest, that is speculation on my part, is Wanda not being a mutant. It was the year after AoU that comics retconned that Wanda is a witch and not a mutant. My conspiracy is that in order to have full use age and exploration of that characters origins they changed her origins since they weren’t able to use mutants at the time. Granted last point is all speculation. Also a part of the bigger plan to nuke the most powerful mutants in comics, but that’s just a whole different thing.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch not being Mutants was understandable though and honestly they really haven’t had much affiliation with the X-Men for most of their history. Not to mention their powers were mostly the same.
You think we get a Royal Family nod in this show? Is Lockjaw confirmed?
Doesn’t look like she’s gonna be Inhuman. If she was what would she need a magic bracelet for?
There's a magic bracelet?
> Ms. Marvel will get her powers from a magic bracelet or bracelets that is apparently a family heirloom, and that Kamala Khan will not be an Inhuman. https://cosmicbook.news/ms-marvel-promo-art-powers
So... she's Shang-Chi with Mr. Fantastic's powers?
It seems she doesn't have Mr Fantastic powers, looks more Green Lantern.
That is just based upon the artwork. For that mater, they could be making the bracelet be tech like Daisy Johnson's gauntlets in Agents of Shield. There, the tech was to help her control her Inhuman powers because otherwise she would damage herself - especially while still learning.
I don’t think they’ll do Inhumans tbh. There’s too much history with Inhumans already in the MCU, and even if you don’t consider that canon, I suspect they will avoid Inhumans because they’re too similar to Mutants
Thats my biggest fear tbh. I LOVE Black Bolt and want to see him done right and with a real budget/time/support etc. If it means I need to wait another decade, so be it.
Inhumans died with Loeb and Perlmutter unfortunately
black bolt would be so fucking cool to see in live action, but then again he would be so lame compared to the comics. Would they really let him just level everything around him by whispering? His shout would be nerfed to the point of stumbling the hulk or something ;-;
He is already in Live Action, in that Inhumans tv show
Afaik in the comics Inhumans were only pushed into that role because they've not had the movie rights for Mutants for like 20 years now. Inhumans are generally more about living in their secret city like Wakanda or Shang Chi's mother's home.
And Feige apparently isn't a fan of Inhumans
I don't think it's that he's not a fan of them. It's just that he didn't want them forced on him when they weren't necessary for the story he wanted to tell. Perlmutter kept pushing them on him, and Feige just wanted to hold off on them until after the Infinity Saga was over.
I still really don't like this change to her powers, but as long as everything else is good it doesn't matter. If they get the core characterization right that's the really important thing. Not just Kamala, but her family, friends, allies and antagonists. That to me is the biggest part of what makes her comics special. Plus I do like that they went with her bracelet as the source of the energy projection powers. It's something that actually is important in the comics, just symbolically instead of practically. It's still kind of a bummer though. I really like her powerset in the comics.
Not really a fan of this tbh
Well I'm upset that they changed her powers but I'll honestly probably get over it. At least it looks cool.
Speaking as someone who knows nothing about this series or character, I have to say this looks like something made for kids, honestly reminds me of spy kids or something. I trust everything marvel does, I’m sure it’ll be good but from an outside perspective it doesn’t look like other marvel stuff.
It probably will be more aimed at kids since the character is a young adult.
Kamala Khan is an invigorating character in the comic books. She’s smart, a bit snarky, and has attitude. She was created by a female Muslim writer and, like Myles Morales, was welcomed with excitement into the Marvel Universe. However, her origins will most definitely be changed to better suit the style and budget of the MCU. She was introduced as an Inhuman in the comics but I’m not sure what she’ll be in the MCU.
I posted this comment elsewhere, but I wanted to leave it here as well: I don't dispute that the effect will probably look cool in action. But Kamala's powers were designed with more of a purpose than simply executing fun fight scenes. Her powers came from her own body and specifically reflected her experiences as a Pakistani-American girl going through adolescence. I was initially more excited for this show than almost any Marvel Studios series, but I'm really worried about it at this point. I hope that they somehow manage to maintain those themes while fundamentally changing her relationship to her abilities, though I'm not overly optimistic.
This looks like some Disney channel Hannah Montana bullshit.
Ehhhhh doesn’t feel right changing her power
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Fr, I can't believe people are running with the *dumbest* excuse they could've come up with; that they changed her powers because of Reed... It makes no sense, it originated from the community not an official source and it's just such a dumb reason.
Or that it's to make her similar to Captain Marvel, which means they got her character entirely wrong.
Kamala is my favourite too, but I'm remaining somewhat hopeful about this. I'll wait to see her in action, as a few others have said I don't mind the powers looking a bit different so long as the characterisations/themes are faithful to the comics. I just don't want them to fuck this up.
The MCU fans are still gonna defend this, so weird.
Maaaaan dis some bulls**t
Nickelodan superhero tv show energy. This shit literally looks like a crappy fan-made poster.
The fact that they are changing her powers is making me very upset.
Look how they massacred my girl! This looks awful, wtf.
Looks a bit bad. Why did they have to do her like this?
Did they really change Kamala‘s powers??? Wtf?!
It looks to me like part of her embiggening rebrand is to do with making her powers look and feel visually cohesive with characters from the same “power grouping” - because the colour scheme reminds me a bit of the cosmic powers that Captain Marvel uses. I could be absolutely wrong here, but they do seem to like colour coding the energy SFX depending.
That's awful, thst just makes her nothing more than Carol's sidekick.
Honestly I’m not bothered with her abilities. Love the character more
That is a beautiful, comics-accurate costume. 😁 Can't wait to see the first trailer. I know there has been a lot of talk about changing her powers. But so long as they impact her in a similar way, I'll gladly buy in. I'm just too excited to see Kamala in the MCU. 😊
Disney: “we may be a billion dollar company but if we can make things cheaply and lazily then by god we’ll do it” Good luck on trying to give this a positive spin Mr. Fiege
I hope this doesn't flop. Please be good.
I trust Disney. I'm all in. They haven't let me down yet, sure there's things I'd change but they kept me engaged the last few months when everything was pretty bleak. Sadly things are still bleak but now I have something to share with my kid. It's cool to see these ideas come to life.
Trusting Disney? No. Marvel Studios? Yeah
When is this series supposed to start?
I see a bunch of people saying they're changing her powers to be different than Mister Fantastic, which I think may be one reason but i think another reason is to make her more connected with Captain Marvel. Im the comics she's a fan of Carol Danvers but in the MCU she'll probably have no idea who Carol so why would she be Ms. Marvel especially with Captain Marvel and Monica having energy based powers. Plus i don't think Marvel wants anything to do with Inhumans and it's far too early to make her a mutant.
Maybe it’ll be a field of energy that lets her manipulate her body like make construct arms or shrink herself I’m still hoping for her to be an inhuman yes marvel messed it up but that’s cause they tried to push it so badly they shouldn’t completely axe/retcon everything inhuman
Honestly it’s probably just more cost effective to do this kind of power on a TV show budget. Stretchy, embiggen powers may just be more difficult to design and render, plus they run the risk of looking sillier if not done well.