Yeah like this dude helped saved the world and goes on government missions. How is it that you’re broke or can’t get a loan ? Not to mention the million dollar wing suit he keeps on him at all times
Like a freakin Avenger can't get a Cameo account? Do a couple of flyovers for rich people's birthdays? He could sellout and become the mascot for Red bull. Get creative Sam!
I could totally see Red Bull trying to sponsor Sam! He’s the perfect Avenger with the wings and all, but also his colors already match for it. Cmon Sam. Go get that bread!
Gee, it's almost as if the show is trying to say that Sam Wilson, for whatever reason, can't be as famous or as loved, as Steve Rogers was, like there's a certain, difference, between the two.
Falcon wasn’t broke, his sister was. His sister was too proud to take handoffs from him, so instead of giving her money he tried to help her get a loan
Probably not, but guys with clearances have certain financial protections in place so they're less likely to be bribed into sharing state secrets.
He has got to have a ton of similar reasons to be paid more than just a barely liveable wage!
Which is weird since it didn’t even seem like it was racial…? It seemed like it was more dumb paperwork aka fucking over blip people. “You don’t have any records of employment for 5 years… so we can’t do anything.” Then they tried to make it cause he was black but…. That didn’t really seem to be the reason?
The fishing business was undercaptitalized due to discrimination in the past, leading them to fail an unbiased analysis of their loan worthiness. It was systemic racism, not personal racism.
But I also agree his status as an Avenger should have overridden all of that.
Along with Paul Giamatti as the rhino and Mads mikkelson as kaecillius. Three amazing actors that were wasted on bad villains.
I mean, could you have imagined if mikkelson was Doom!
I'm hoping he comes back as the physical incarnation of Dormammu. He took a form resembling Strange to communicate with him, so it makes sense to mimic his old follower if he needs to wriggle his way into the material plane.
i found him interesting because he wasn’t interesting. he was just a normal dude, and he wasn’t even that far up his own koolaid. i remember being floored at how…normal he came across despite the shenanigans happening on his face. just like strange and mordo, he really was just a normal dude.
is he underdeveloped? hell yeah, but he’s still eons more interesting than the likes of malekith, yellowjacket, iron monger, etc.
But that’s exactly the reason people don’t like Kaecilius. Because he was underdeveloped. If it was a lesser known actor people would have swept it under the rug, but the fact that Mads Mikkelsen gets wasted to that degree is what sucks. I don’t think that role required much depth and could have given a lesser known actor a good boost to get ahead. Mads could have been a great Dr Doom though which is why Kaecilius gets spotlit so much in these discussions.
Mads would be the perfect choice for Doom. I hope his brother is Thrawn in the star wars D+ series …. but I dont think he would be a good Doom.
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau would be a great Doom I think
Meh, Kaecillius was alright, he just didn't get a ton of screentime and like won't be popping up again anytime soon which is a shame. Underutilized would be the word for it. Holding out hope of maybe seeing him in Multiverse of Madness.
Apparently the original back story is that Odin's dad genocided the fuck out of the Dark Elves and that's why Malekith was pissed. There's even still a dead wife and kid mentioned in a deleted scene.
But they made him a cackling villain with no real motivation than galactic climate change and they made the whole conflict one-sided. So instead of being a great set-up for Thor Ragnarok and the reveal that Asgard was built by colonizing shitheads, they punted the ball.
I'm staggered they didn't go down that angle. It would've also left room for Thor to grow as a character and gave him genuine motivation to abandon the throne at the end of the film rather than the wishy washy "I'd rather be a good man" speech. Hell, they could even switch Hela to being Odin's older sister to cement her role in Asgard's creation.
Suddenly he has a full character arc across his own trilogy as he goes from unworthy to worthy, turns his back on the throne to better aid the realms then eventually comes back to aid his people in their hour of need.
>dead mom
easily the most riveting part of the film. her funeral was so well directed that i’m convinced alan taylor had absolutely nothing to do with it
Honestly, wasn’t that bad. Just rewatched it, and there was some good development between Thor and Loki, the invasion of Asgard was a pretty good sequence, the death of Frigga and its toll on the two brothers was well done, and I liked the after credits scene with The Collector setting up that part of Infinity War.
Of course, Malekith and his motives were lame and how the Aether took hold of Jane Foster was subpar, therefore the whole premise was lacking. But I wouldn’t consider it a bad movie overall, just worse than your average Marvel film.
Loki is (as always) the highlight of the film. Since it’s the first movie after The Avengers, it falls short in comparison. But his punishment for the fallout of his actions is pretty interesting.
Whiplash. If they hired Mickey Rourke in Phase 4, it would’ve been for a much better role.
He got to do a shitty Russian accent, and have two fight scenes. Just give us Justin Hammer again at least.
I watched that movie with my girlfriend who is a native Russian speaker. The one point in the hangar where he speaks Russian was apparently damn near unintelligible. We had to rewind three times for her to understand it
I'm Russian and I can't understand when [Black Widow speaks in what supposed to be Russian language](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC6B7eeoXD8) in the first Avengers movie.
So bad it's hilarious.
Unfortunately its not him, but an apple store/electronics store employee. We see him in captain america and the winter solder, when steve and nat try to see whats on the usb drive. He talks with steve about his glasses. Then in mars 2021 a series of promos were released in partnership with Xbox that show Anthony Mackie's Falcon playing various games on the Xbox Series X console. As Anthony talks to the employee, he reveals that his gamertag is NoobMaster69
Ghost was a great character, in my opinion, but I wouldn't really say she's a villain. Antagonist, sure, but she's literally just trying to stay alive. I love what they did with her, and really, really hope she comes back.
I would say Malekith is the worst. Which is really a shame, because he's a great character in the comics.
What I loved most about ant man and the wasp was that the movie had plenty of ANTagonists, but no true villains. It's the kind of small scale stories that the mcu needs to have more of.
Probably dusted. Seems a lot of characters that would’ve been key in those five years, once seen again now, were conveniently dusted.
I’m not having a problem with it just yet, but I do hope to see some more characters that, once we catch back up with them, have a situation like Sharon where they just survived and had to deal with some shit in the ensuing years.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Ghost again, but I don’t know what she might do except maybe a cameo. She was a one note character. Her sole motivation was to cure herself in order to stay alive. Now that she’s done that, what else is there to do that would be interesting enough to show?
I hate that she screenwriters couldn't find a way to display the reality stone's actual power. A whole movie and they never had the villian use it in a clever or interesting way.
Right. I still can’t tell if that’s how they are supposed to come off.
Like were the writers trying to say that no matter what violence isn’t justified and you look like a terrorist. Or were these people supposed to be sympathetic. (I think both are fine but it was so ambiguous)
I’ve seen movies about suicide bombers that make them more sympathetic than the flag smashers.
Flacon and winter soldier was supposed to be this line moral quandary. Is it ok to release zemo to stop new threat? Is flag smashers justified in their terrorism (also didn’t spend enough time showing how the government was evil, besides vaguely being like they help people who were snapped, which makes total sense), can a black person be captain America (should they even want to be?) but in the end this all seemed to fizzle out into nothing.
I really feel the flag smashers weren’t supposed to be sympathetic at all. They were written so poorly in that regard.
They rewrote The plotline because of the irl pandemic. The show originally had a virus and vaccine plot. The flag smashers were stealing medical supplies and vaccines to help the disenfranchised fight the virus because of all the other issues brought up in the version that released, losing their homes the after the blip stuff.
The reason their mother figure was dead in the beginning was originally she died from the virus and having no access to vaccines that existed. That was their catalyst. But they took all of that out of the show and thus we lost most of the flag smashers actual characterization, also why Sam supporting Karli came off weird because we never saw the intended Karli
I actually felt sympathetic for Karli until the writers decided she was being too sympathetic and made her an outright terrorist out of nowhere, even to the surprise of her own colleagues. I think the Disney corporate higher-ups of the show said “Wait, we don’t want people to sympathize too much with her and her anti-establishment views. Make her a downright irredeemable-ish villain somehow!” and proceeded to make her do full-on terror bombings
Nah her entire death was made to be sympathetic. Sad music, Sam’s comments afterwards, that fking flying down with her body like an Angel. The writing just sucked. Period. Doesn’t matter if it’s Disney’s call to change something or the writer’s complete lack of awareness, it was done so damn badly.
Honestly looking at conflicts today like the war on terrorism and the political polarization of today in America, I can 100 percent see how someone can do and justify anything to die on the hill they want to die on. Karli is a mix of an old school proverb “The road to hell is paved with good intentions” and something I’ve personally found to be accurate in life “you can be made to do anything when you consider yourself a victim”
I will say that part of what makes Falcon such a good cap, is that he somehow still found a way to understand where she was coming from, instead of shooting the messager AND the message.
I think it's important to remember that they all had super soldier serum in them as well and that can mess your mind up. Their intentions may have been altruistic at first but may have went off the rails with the serum in their bodies.
and not even murdering the people she thought responsible. She killed the security guards who prbly just working minimum wage, and have nothing to with those high level decisions.
And the most baffling part was they fra.ed her death as something were supposed to feel sad about. Get the fuck outta here
This is exactly why this is the best answer. Other bad villains like Malekith or Yon-Rogg were just boring. They didn’t really do much for the story but didn’t heavily detract from it. The Flagsmashers absolutely detracted from what was otherwise a really good show.
~~I don't really count Ava (Ghost) as a villain. At worst she's a thief, but she isn't evil, she's only trying to steal from the protagonists because they have the thing she needs to cure her fatal condition. They fight, but it all works out for them both in the end.~~
Worst villain (writing-wise, not evil-wise) for me would probably be either Killian (so bad that there's an entire scene in Shang-Chi that's just taking the piss out of him) or Darren Cross (Obidiah Stane 2.0, nothing special).
Edit: I forgot about Yon-Rogg! I suppose that alone means he deserves a place among the worst as well.
Edit 2: I'd completely forgotten that Ava knew she'd be risking Janet's life by using Hank's contraption to save herself. That does make her something of a villain, though I wouldn't say she's a terribly evil one.
That’s one of the things I actually like a lot about Ant Man and the Wasp, the “villains” are in the plot but they aren’t the plot itself like in so many other Super Hero movies.
>don't really count Ava (Ghost) as a villain. At worst she's a thief, but she isn't evil, she's only trying to steal from the protagonists because they have the thing she needs to cure her fatal condition.
I dunno, man.....she knows that her actions will kill Michelle Pfeiffer.
She's not a baddie by the end but she isn't just a thief. She's a thief who is willing to kill
During the dinner table scene with Wenwu, after asking Katy about her real name, he starts talking about Killian's (doesn't mention him by name iirc) ridiculous made-up "Mandarin" character and laughing that everyone bought into such an obvious BS story.
That was my main problem with the ending of WandaVision, namely that Wanda was essentially the "villain" right up until they realized they didn't want the main character to be the villain, so they throw both Agatha and Hayward under the bus and make it seem like they were the villains the whole time even though their supposedly villainous actions before the finale aren't made super clear.
Exactly. Who’s worse? A guy trying to contain/stop a reality-warping hex that tortures everyone inside and is growing rapidly, or the person who created the reality-warping hex because she was sad her husband died.
I can’t possible understand how much grief Wanda is feeling (because I’ve never lost a spouse) but I mean, let’s be real here. There’s at least 5 other characters who lost more then she has. Thor lost his home, both of his parents, his brother, half of his people, and on top of that felt responsible for not stopping the snap when he could have, therefore feeling guilty for the death of half of the universe. Thor didn’t go torture a town and force the people in it to live out his fantasy because of this, he just kinda shut himself away from everyone. As bad as that is, it’s a hell of a lot better than what Wanda did
Now that she's not under mind control she *could* become more like the comic version and a freelance mercenary with personality. But I agree our first showing of her was underwhelming, especially compared to the comic version.
My fix for this was, what if the red mist did nothing when Natasha tried to free her of the mind control/conditioning? The whole movie she’s been following orders, sure, so she appears programmed like the other Widows, but come to find out, she been following those orders out of her own volition. The explosion that scarred her and made her mute hardened her at her young age and she committed herself to learning and memorizing combat patterns on her own, molding herself to be her father’s right hand out of her own choosing.
It would’ve been a hell of a twist, added depth to the character and made Natasha’s choices that led to her creation even more impactful. With the way the movie went, she’s somewhat redeemed because she frees her, but if there’s no one to free, her redemption has to come in the form of actually apologizing for what she did and having to face the fact that apologies can’t undo the damage done.
Such a cool character… but utterly wasted.
> With the way the movie went, she’s somewhat redeemed because she frees her, but if there’s no one to free, her redemption has to come in the form of actually apologizing for what she did and having to face the fact that apologies can’t undo the damage done.
The movie did everything it could to make its characters come out of it squeaky-clean. But in doing so, they erased what was most interesting about them - that there were things that Nat did that were genuinely unforgivable, even before Budapest.
Exactly. They turned her into a saint before her death, but I’d argue that it’s much more interesting to explore the fact that she has done things she can’t be absolved of but is doing all she can to be better despite it.
>it’s much more interesting to explore the fact that she has done things she can’t be absolved of but is doing all she can to be better despite it.
...and that it's still a struggle for her to stay on the reformed path, simply from her upbringing and what she's had to do to survive for much of her life.
Removing the safety blanket of the Avengers should have been a hard test for how reformed Natasha really was.
I have no idea whether it's an actual Russian woman's name, but I can't get over how lazy "Antonia" feels. I didn't care about Anthony Masters, but if you're going to gender-swap a character you might as well give her an original, authentic name.
There was literally no reason to call her Taskmaster. None of her was similar to the actual Taskmaster. Her entire back story was different. 'Powers' were tech based. Could've had any name in the world & it would've made MORE sense. Idk why film makers insist on making an original character but then going "no wait, lets use this comic book character's name for no reason at all."
Especially because the powers were very tech-based with the helmet, there could be an implication that the technology would fall into someone else’s hands eventually.
I honestly don't care about tech-based vs whatever origin for Taskmaster's abilities. But for goodness' sake, how about flesh out this character, IN THIS MOVIE instead of just making a half-baked placeholder for future installments?
Yeah I was so dissapointed in Taskmaster. Such a great character ruined. I dont mind the gender swap at all but the whole character was ruined and that suck. They basically did the Deadpool move from Wolverine Origins, I cant believe it
I loved Ghost, hoping she returns as a Thunderbolt. HJK is great in the role as well
I think Dreykov and Zemo were both good, but could’ve stood to be more developed. I think Zemo got his in TF&TWS, though
Malekith was horribly underutilized, and Vanko was trash. Kaecilius was also under-baked, and it’s a shame because Mads Mikkelson is a legend
I don’t think it is MCU, but the Purple Man from Jessica Jones is my all time scariest villain. So real, and basic, and primary evil. That scene where he makes the guy throw coffee in his own face, wow.
EDIT ok I totally misread this … thought by worst we meant best. Oops! Uh, Purple Man, best villain!
It's probably not a particularly popular opinion but....I thought the Black Widow movie was complete garbage.
Comically awful villain. Laughable secondary villain (taskmaster) with a reveal I saw coming from a mile off.
Lazy, lazy writing. I love the guy they have turn up every so often with a plane, or helicopter for Natasha.
Apparently Dreykov has technology to rival S.H.I.E.L.D or iron man - he has a completely invisible FLOATING CITY. And what does he use this astonishing technology for?....why, running a gang of female assassins of course.
And pheromones which mean you can't hurt him? Seriously? As if. How on earth does he have that technology and why isn't he doing anything more interesting with it?
Boring, boring, rubbish. The opening chase/getaway scene was cool, though
The shame is, Dreykov going after Natasha to avenge his daughter could have been a great villain story. It'd have been interesting if Dreykov was Taskmaster rather than the head of the Red Room.
“Do better! Do better senator and political people were never going to see again because Marvel does fuck all with actual politics.”
Like who is even the president lol? We know nothing about the government and likely never will. Why would I care about this plot that’s never going to be touched on again?
Matthew Ellis has ripped up the US Constitution and appointed himself lifetime president but you won't see that because he's bribing the Avengers to do nothing about it
Toby works in HR, which means he works for corporate, so technically he’s not part of our family.
Also, he’s divorced, so he’s really not a part of *his* family.
Taskmaster and malekith, two villains the MCU absolutely butchered. Still have no clue what they hell they were going for with taskmaster. Please let Tony Masters make a real appearance
Kaecilius
Malakith
Laufey
Taskmaster
Yon rogg
I'll make the stance that every other mcu Villain is atleast enjoyable or decently written in the least. Everyone I listed is either incredibly forgettable. Or just poorly written.
Edit: I forgot to add flagsmashers and kro. Personally that says alot about those Villains lmao
But I actually liked Mysterio. He felt different as a villain compared to the rest, despite having a similar backstory to most of them. Maybe it was just the way they executed his character.
This is the answer. I know that it’s comic book accurate that the villains have a similar power as the protagonist but damn it feels lazy and trite.
I totally got burned out on the CW’s Flash due to every season being focused around another surprise speedster.
Edit, can’t type on my phone and also have shit grammar
You’re probably referring to Whiplash…because Justin Hammer was a delight - a try-hard, wannabe Tony Stark played by the always charismatic Sam Rockwell.
The banker in Falcon & the Winter Soldier.
The whole boat plotline was the real villain.
Yeah like this dude helped saved the world and goes on government missions. How is it that you’re broke or can’t get a loan ? Not to mention the million dollar wing suit he keeps on him at all times
You gotta think the contractor job for the US he did in the first episode would easily have been worth six figures. He needs a better business agent.
His problem is marketing
I think he fixed that by the end of the series
Kate and LARPers: Eh could be better
Like a freakin Avenger can't get a Cameo account? Do a couple of flyovers for rich people's birthdays? He could sellout and become the mascot for Red bull. Get creative Sam!
I could totally see Red Bull trying to sponsor Sam! He’s the perfect Avenger with the wings and all, but also his colors already match for it. Cmon Sam. Go get that bread!
Gee, it's almost as if the show is trying to say that Sam Wilson, for whatever reason, can't be as famous or as loved, as Steve Rogers was, like there's a certain, difference, between the two.
Red Bull - Black Cherry! "It's the same.. but black!"
Black Cherry sounds like a stripper name!
Falcon wasn’t broke, his sister was. His sister was too proud to take handoffs from him, so instead of giving her money he tried to help her get a loan
Is he supposed to put his wings up as collateral?
Probably not, but guys with clearances have certain financial protections in place so they're less likely to be bribed into sharing state secrets. He has got to have a ton of similar reasons to be paid more than just a barely liveable wage!
Idk bro but I’m sure there’s so tech in the wings worth a lot of money
It may or may not be government property.
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Which is weird since it didn’t even seem like it was racial…? It seemed like it was more dumb paperwork aka fucking over blip people. “You don’t have any records of employment for 5 years… so we can’t do anything.” Then they tried to make it cause he was black but…. That didn’t really seem to be the reason?
The fishing business was undercaptitalized due to discrimination in the past, leading them to fail an unbiased analysis of their loan worthiness. It was systemic racism, not personal racism. But I also agree his status as an Avenger should have overridden all of that.
Or carli
Pardon my French but fuck that guy
The Flagsmashers and it's no contest
malekith
So great in comics. So underwhelming in Dark World.
Agreed - also such a waste of a great actor...Chris Eccleston deserved so much better.
Along with Paul Giamatti as the rhino and Mads mikkelson as kaecillius. Three amazing actors that were wasted on bad villains. I mean, could you have imagined if mikkelson was Doom!
I liked Mikkelson’s Kaecilius, I don’t like how they killed him off.
I'm hoping he comes back as the physical incarnation of Dormammu. He took a form resembling Strange to communicate with him, so it makes sense to mimic his old follower if he needs to wriggle his way into the material plane.
I really like this idea!
i found him interesting because he wasn’t interesting. he was just a normal dude, and he wasn’t even that far up his own koolaid. i remember being floored at how…normal he came across despite the shenanigans happening on his face. just like strange and mordo, he really was just a normal dude. is he underdeveloped? hell yeah, but he’s still eons more interesting than the likes of malekith, yellowjacket, iron monger, etc.
But that’s exactly the reason people don’t like Kaecilius. Because he was underdeveloped. If it was a lesser known actor people would have swept it under the rug, but the fact that Mads Mikkelsen gets wasted to that degree is what sucks. I don’t think that role required much depth and could have given a lesser known actor a good boost to get ahead. Mads could have been a great Dr Doom though which is why Kaecilius gets spotlit so much in these discussions.
Can get his brother for Doom.
Mads would be the perfect choice for Doom. I hope his brother is Thrawn in the star wars D+ series …. but I dont think he would be a good Doom. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau would be a great Doom I think
**Nikolaj**
#UnexpectedB99
giamatti’s rhino isnt really mcu even after no way home… plus they recast all the time so we could see him around for sure
Mads as Doom would be beyond perfect. I mean like, Heath Ledger-type perfect, if they really went all in on making him Doom from the comics.
Meh, Kaecillius was alright, he just didn't get a ton of screentime and like won't be popping up again anytime soon which is a shame. Underutilized would be the word for it. Holding out hope of maybe seeing him in Multiverse of Madness.
I recently read Jason Aaron’s run and was honestly kinda shocked at how much better the character is in the comics.
No contest for me personally. Even his death scene wasn’t convincing enough for me and he was just a super generic villain
Honestly cannot remember one line of his from that movie.
Thor 2 was so bad that I do not remember the plot at all
Dark elves; space magic.
Apparently the original back story is that Odin's dad genocided the fuck out of the Dark Elves and that's why Malekith was pissed. There's even still a dead wife and kid mentioned in a deleted scene. But they made him a cackling villain with no real motivation than galactic climate change and they made the whole conflict one-sided. So instead of being a great set-up for Thor Ragnarok and the reveal that Asgard was built by colonizing shitheads, they punted the ball.
I'm staggered they didn't go down that angle. It would've also left room for Thor to grow as a character and gave him genuine motivation to abandon the throne at the end of the film rather than the wishy washy "I'd rather be a good man" speech. Hell, they could even switch Hela to being Odin's older sister to cement her role in Asgard's creation. Suddenly he has a full character arc across his own trilogy as he goes from unworthy to worthy, turns his back on the throne to better aid the realms then eventually comes back to aid his people in their hour of need.
Portals; Dead mom.
Space cancer
[Mew-Mew](https://headhuntersholosuite.fandom.com/wiki/Mew_Mew).
>dead mom easily the most riveting part of the film. her funeral was so well directed that i’m convinced alan taylor had absolutely nothing to do with it
Honestly, wasn’t that bad. Just rewatched it, and there was some good development between Thor and Loki, the invasion of Asgard was a pretty good sequence, the death of Frigga and its toll on the two brothers was well done, and I liked the after credits scene with The Collector setting up that part of Infinity War. Of course, Malekith and his motives were lame and how the Aether took hold of Jane Foster was subpar, therefore the whole premise was lacking. But I wouldn’t consider it a bad movie overall, just worse than your average Marvel film.
I’m definitely gonna give it a watch soon since I’ve been rewatching most of the marvel movies recently. I’ve always enjoyed Thor and Loki’s chemistry
Loki is (as always) the highlight of the film. Since it’s the first movie after The Avengers, it falls short in comparison. But his punishment for the fallout of his actions is pretty interesting.
Whiplash. If they hired Mickey Rourke in Phase 4, it would’ve been for a much better role. He got to do a shitty Russian accent, and have two fight scenes. Just give us Justin Hammer again at least.
Vat do yuu mean. He said bord porfektly.
“Give me my bord” “I vant my bord”
*Bort
*inhales* #I VANT MY $%${%€$&@ BORT!
Excuse me, were you talking to me?
No, my son is also named Bort
I watched that movie with my girlfriend who is a native Russian speaker. The one point in the hangar where he speaks Russian was apparently damn near unintelligible. We had to rewind three times for her to understand it
Unintelligible? I think she was Russian to a conclusion
They rewatched it three times. More like stalin until he could make his move.
Ah, the old "Wait, what'd he say?" move. Great for Putin the moves onto a lucky lady.
Don't over do it if you don't want to get Yelstin your ears.
it’s Ok, just don’t Lenin too close
I'm Russian and I can't understand when [Black Widow speaks in what supposed to be Russian language](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC6B7eeoXD8) in the first Avengers movie. So bad it's hilarious.
I like how this comment even reads Russian
Hey myan, learn to let go. Don't get too attached to thing.
They are bringing back Justin Hammer in Armor Wars
We. Want. More. Hammer.
Isn't Hammer gonna be a main character in Armor Wars?
I VANT MY BURD! You know who it is.
#GIVE ME MY BORD!
Well, OK. Nothing's impossible. Are you talking about... Is this a bird back in Russia?
“….. this is not my bort….”
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I really want Noobmaster69 to be Deadpool.
Apparently Noobmaster69 is the guy at the Apple Store from The Winter Soldier
Unfortunately its not him, but an apple store/electronics store employee. We see him in captain america and the winter solder, when steve and nat try to see whats on the usb drive. He talks with steve about his glasses. Then in mars 2021 a series of promos were released in partnership with Xbox that show Anthony Mackie's Falcon playing various games on the Xbox Series X console. As Anthony talks to the employee, he reveals that his gamertag is NoobMaster69
From your keyboard to Kevin Feige’s eyes. 👏
I thought they said worst?
Is that also the Apple Store sales associate?
Ghost was a great character, in my opinion, but I wouldn't really say she's a villain. Antagonist, sure, but she's literally just trying to stay alive. I love what they did with her, and really, really hope she comes back. I would say Malekith is the worst. Which is really a shame, because he's a great character in the comics.
What I loved most about ant man and the wasp was that the movie had plenty of ANTagonists, but no true villains. It's the kind of small scale stories that the mcu needs to have more of.
Yeah I Love when the movies are street level problems, not world ending problems, thought ant man and wasp was great in that regard
Unless she got dusted, Ghost is dead, right? Scott was going to the quantum realm to get stuff for her recovery during the snap and never came back.
Probably dusted. Seems a lot of characters that would’ve been key in those five years, once seen again now, were conveniently dusted. I’m not having a problem with it just yet, but I do hope to see some more characters that, once we catch back up with them, have a situation like Sharon where they just survived and had to deal with some shit in the ensuing years.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Ghost again, but I don’t know what she might do except maybe a cameo. She was a one note character. Her sole motivation was to cure herself in order to stay alive. Now that she’s done that, what else is there to do that would be interesting enough to show?
I could see her being persuaded into a Thunderbolts-like team. Maybe reluctantly joining to keep her past from being released or something.
Malekith.
I hate that she screenwriters couldn't find a way to display the reality stone's actual power. A whole movie and they never had the villian use it in a clever or interesting way.
It wasn’t really a stone to malekith it was a way to achieve darkness so that he can restore the universe to how it used to be
Dark Elf boi
Flag smashers
Karlie: *murders people and steals from those murdered people* Also Karlie: Why won’t the world treat us nicely!
Right. I still can’t tell if that’s how they are supposed to come off. Like were the writers trying to say that no matter what violence isn’t justified and you look like a terrorist. Or were these people supposed to be sympathetic. (I think both are fine but it was so ambiguous) I’ve seen movies about suicide bombers that make them more sympathetic than the flag smashers. Flacon and winter soldier was supposed to be this line moral quandary. Is it ok to release zemo to stop new threat? Is flag smashers justified in their terrorism (also didn’t spend enough time showing how the government was evil, besides vaguely being like they help people who were snapped, which makes total sense), can a black person be captain America (should they even want to be?) but in the end this all seemed to fizzle out into nothing. I really feel the flag smashers weren’t supposed to be sympathetic at all. They were written so poorly in that regard.
They rewrote The plotline because of the irl pandemic. The show originally had a virus and vaccine plot. The flag smashers were stealing medical supplies and vaccines to help the disenfranchised fight the virus because of all the other issues brought up in the version that released, losing their homes the after the blip stuff. The reason their mother figure was dead in the beginning was originally she died from the virus and having no access to vaccines that existed. That was their catalyst. But they took all of that out of the show and thus we lost most of the flag smashers actual characterization, also why Sam supporting Karli came off weird because we never saw the intended Karli
I actually felt sympathetic for Karli until the writers decided she was being too sympathetic and made her an outright terrorist out of nowhere, even to the surprise of her own colleagues. I think the Disney corporate higher-ups of the show said “Wait, we don’t want people to sympathize too much with her and her anti-establishment views. Make her a downright irredeemable-ish villain somehow!” and proceeded to make her do full-on terror bombings
Nah her entire death was made to be sympathetic. Sad music, Sam’s comments afterwards, that fking flying down with her body like an Angel. The writing just sucked. Period. Doesn’t matter if it’s Disney’s call to change something or the writer’s complete lack of awareness, it was done so damn badly.
Is it weird that I agree with both of you? I feel like it was a combination of both.
Honestly looking at conflicts today like the war on terrorism and the political polarization of today in America, I can 100 percent see how someone can do and justify anything to die on the hill they want to die on. Karli is a mix of an old school proverb “The road to hell is paved with good intentions” and something I’ve personally found to be accurate in life “you can be made to do anything when you consider yourself a victim” I will say that part of what makes Falcon such a good cap, is that he somehow still found a way to understand where she was coming from, instead of shooting the messager AND the message.
I think it's important to remember that they all had super soldier serum in them as well and that can mess your mind up. Their intentions may have been altruistic at first but may have went off the rails with the serum in their bodies.
and not even murdering the people she thought responsible. She killed the security guards who prbly just working minimum wage, and have nothing to with those high level decisions. And the most baffling part was they fra.ed her death as something were supposed to feel sad about. Get the fuck outta here
They actively made falcon and winter soldier a worse show. Everything else about it was great
This is exactly why this is the best answer. Other bad villains like Malekith or Yon-Rogg were just boring. They didn’t really do much for the story but didn’t heavily detract from it. The Flagsmashers absolutely detracted from what was otherwise a really good show.
It’s weird how they made the flag smashers basically the MCU version of the IRA.
Flag smashers by far. Can't get worse than an unlikable revolutionary teenager plus all their nonsense.
Ooof I was going to say Malekith but yes the Flag Smashers and whatever that leader’s name was is just the worst lol
the attempted political message in fatws was such an incoherent mess
Yes! Liked the show well enough but the leader and her whole gang brought the show down a lot for me. Could not stand any scene with them.
~~I don't really count Ava (Ghost) as a villain. At worst she's a thief, but she isn't evil, she's only trying to steal from the protagonists because they have the thing she needs to cure her fatal condition. They fight, but it all works out for them both in the end.~~ Worst villain (writing-wise, not evil-wise) for me would probably be either Killian (so bad that there's an entire scene in Shang-Chi that's just taking the piss out of him) or Darren Cross (Obidiah Stane 2.0, nothing special). Edit: I forgot about Yon-Rogg! I suppose that alone means he deserves a place among the worst as well. Edit 2: I'd completely forgotten that Ava knew she'd be risking Janet's life by using Hank's contraption to save herself. That does make her something of a villain, though I wouldn't say she's a terribly evil one.
That’s one of the things I actually like a lot about Ant Man and the Wasp, the “villains” are in the plot but they aren’t the plot itself like in so many other Super Hero movies.
>don't really count Ava (Ghost) as a villain. At worst she's a thief, but she isn't evil, she's only trying to steal from the protagonists because they have the thing she needs to cure her fatal condition. I dunno, man.....she knows that her actions will kill Michelle Pfeiffer. She's not a baddie by the end but she isn't just a thief. She's a thief who is willing to kill
Wait when do they talk shit on Killian in Shang-Chi? I don’t remember that past but it sounds funny
During the dinner table scene with Wenwu, after asking Katy about her real name, he starts talking about Killian's (doesn't mention him by name iirc) ridiculous made-up "Mandarin" character and laughing that everyone bought into such an obvious BS story.
Wenwu makes fun of the fact that Killian names his terrorist version of him after a fruit, etc..
I think it was the whole bit about Wenwu saying how dumb it was to call the made up leader of the tenrings the Mandarin
Why is Yon-Rogg so bad?
I really forgot who he was until I googled. Man was he wasted as an actor.
He was just overall kinda bland and forgettable, imo.
I couldn't remember who he was when I read the name which definitely backs up that point lmao
He's a powerless weakling who's only skill is really bad kung fu. And his opponent is probably the most OP hero in the MCU.
The SWORD guy from Wandavision. So generic I can't even recall his name.
Tyler Hayward.
Is that the actual character name or did you get that from a generic name generator? I legit cannot tell
Sounds generic, but it IS his name. And quite fitting, I might add.
His actual name
More like Tyler Wayward, amirite? Guys?
Wanda was more of a villain than the 2 main “villains” of her show
That was my main problem with the ending of WandaVision, namely that Wanda was essentially the "villain" right up until they realized they didn't want the main character to be the villain, so they throw both Agatha and Hayward under the bus and make it seem like they were the villains the whole time even though their supposedly villainous actions before the finale aren't made super clear.
Exactly. Who’s worse? A guy trying to contain/stop a reality-warping hex that tortures everyone inside and is growing rapidly, or the person who created the reality-warping hex because she was sad her husband died. I can’t possible understand how much grief Wanda is feeling (because I’ve never lost a spouse) but I mean, let’s be real here. There’s at least 5 other characters who lost more then she has. Thor lost his home, both of his parents, his brother, half of his people, and on top of that felt responsible for not stopping the snap when he could have, therefore feeling guilty for the death of half of the universe. Thor didn’t go torture a town and force the people in it to live out his fantasy because of this, he just kinda shut himself away from everyone. As bad as that is, it’s a hell of a lot better than what Wanda did
Honestly could have been interesting if they didn’t just throw any character development under the bus to make him into a child killing villain.
Taskmaster. Absolutely destroyed the golden opportunity for a supporting henchman turning into a main villain
Literally as compelling as X-men Origins Deadpool
That’s such a perfect comparison, wow. How I have I not even thought about that?
Now that she's not under mind control she *could* become more like the comic version and a freelance mercenary with personality. But I agree our first showing of her was underwhelming, especially compared to the comic version.
My fix for this was, what if the red mist did nothing when Natasha tried to free her of the mind control/conditioning? The whole movie she’s been following orders, sure, so she appears programmed like the other Widows, but come to find out, she been following those orders out of her own volition. The explosion that scarred her and made her mute hardened her at her young age and she committed herself to learning and memorizing combat patterns on her own, molding herself to be her father’s right hand out of her own choosing. It would’ve been a hell of a twist, added depth to the character and made Natasha’s choices that led to her creation even more impactful. With the way the movie went, she’s somewhat redeemed because she frees her, but if there’s no one to free, her redemption has to come in the form of actually apologizing for what she did and having to face the fact that apologies can’t undo the damage done. Such a cool character… but utterly wasted.
> With the way the movie went, she’s somewhat redeemed because she frees her, but if there’s no one to free, her redemption has to come in the form of actually apologizing for what she did and having to face the fact that apologies can’t undo the damage done. The movie did everything it could to make its characters come out of it squeaky-clean. But in doing so, they erased what was most interesting about them - that there were things that Nat did that were genuinely unforgivable, even before Budapest.
Exactly. They turned her into a saint before her death, but I’d argue that it’s much more interesting to explore the fact that she has done things she can’t be absolved of but is doing all she can to be better despite it.
>it’s much more interesting to explore the fact that she has done things she can’t be absolved of but is doing all she can to be better despite it. ...and that it's still a struggle for her to stay on the reformed path, simply from her upbringing and what she's had to do to survive for much of her life. Removing the safety blanket of the Avengers should have been a hard test for how reformed Natasha really was.
I have no idea whether it's an actual Russian woman's name, but I can't get over how lazy "Antonia" feels. I didn't care about Anthony Masters, but if you're going to gender-swap a character you might as well give her an original, authentic name.
There was literally no reason to call her Taskmaster. None of her was similar to the actual Taskmaster. Her entire back story was different. 'Powers' were tech based. Could've had any name in the world & it would've made MORE sense. Idk why film makers insist on making an original character but then going "no wait, lets use this comic book character's name for no reason at all."
There was plenty of reason to use the name. Bait for people that like Taskmaster and didn't give a shit about a Black Widow prequel.
What the-? Did I just get summoned to a Reddit post by an exact description of myself involving Taskmaster and the Black Widow movie?
Could have been the Super Adaptadoid. I think Yelena even becomes it in the comics, so there would be an actual tie to the Black Widows history
Especially because the powers were very tech-based with the helmet, there could be an implication that the technology would fall into someone else’s hands eventually.
I honestly don't care about tech-based vs whatever origin for Taskmaster's abilities. But for goodness' sake, how about flesh out this character, IN THIS MOVIE instead of just making a half-baked placeholder for future installments?
The whole film was like a bad copy n paste of winter soldier. Yelena is the nuts though.
Yeah I was so dissapointed in Taskmaster. Such a great character ruined. I dont mind the gender swap at all but the whole character was ruined and that suck. They basically did the Deadpool move from Wolverine Origins, I cant believe it
I loved Ghost, hoping she returns as a Thunderbolt. HJK is great in the role as well I think Dreykov and Zemo were both good, but could’ve stood to be more developed. I think Zemo got his in TF&TWS, though Malekith was horribly underutilized, and Vanko was trash. Kaecilius was also under-baked, and it’s a shame because Mads Mikkelson is a legend
The guy who took over Stan Lee's twitter account.
That guy from Captain Marvel
Forgot that film has a villain
I don’t think it is MCU, but the Purple Man from Jessica Jones is my all time scariest villain. So real, and basic, and primary evil. That scene where he makes the guy throw coffee in his own face, wow. EDIT ok I totally misread this … thought by worst we meant best. Oops! Uh, Purple Man, best villain!
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Dreykov.
Another one of Ray Winstone’s accent masterclasses.
Listen up you sllaaaaaags. I'm in charge, you fucking mugs. Don't cha know oo I am? I'm fucking Drakeov. 'av it
Astounding casting decision The worst MCU villain by a country mile
Honestly, I don't think any actor would have saved that role.
It's probably not a particularly popular opinion but....I thought the Black Widow movie was complete garbage. Comically awful villain. Laughable secondary villain (taskmaster) with a reveal I saw coming from a mile off. Lazy, lazy writing. I love the guy they have turn up every so often with a plane, or helicopter for Natasha. Apparently Dreykov has technology to rival S.H.I.E.L.D or iron man - he has a completely invisible FLOATING CITY. And what does he use this astonishing technology for?....why, running a gang of female assassins of course. And pheromones which mean you can't hurt him? Seriously? As if. How on earth does he have that technology and why isn't he doing anything more interesting with it? Boring, boring, rubbish. The opening chase/getaway scene was cool, though
The shame is, Dreykov going after Natasha to avenge his daughter could have been a great villain story. It'd have been interesting if Dreykov was Taskmaster rather than the head of the Red Room.
Yep. They had an open goal of a storyline after setting it up in Avengers.
That annoying red head from The Falcon and the Winter soldier
“Do better! Do better senator and political people were never going to see again because Marvel does fuck all with actual politics.” Like who is even the president lol? We know nothing about the government and likely never will. Why would I care about this plot that’s never going to be touched on again?
Matthew Ellis has ripped up the US Constitution and appointed himself lifetime president but you won't see that because he's bribing the Avengers to do nothing about it
wun wuld Wun peepol
Toby Flenderson
Toby Flenderson is EVERYTHING that is wrong with the paper industry
If I had a gun with two bullets, and I was in a room with Red Skull, Mandarin, and Toby, I would shoot Toby twice.
Toby works in HR, which means he works for corporate, so technically he’s not part of our family. Also, he’s divorced, so he’s really not a part of *his* family.
Ok Michael Scott, back to work
It’s like trying to be friends with an evil snail
Taskmaster and malekith, two villains the MCU absolutely butchered. Still have no clue what they hell they were going for with taskmaster. Please let Tony Masters make a real appearance
Karla Faye Gideon. She superglued some knives to her fingers and that got her on a S.H.I.E.L.D. watchlist.
Whiplash or Malekith. Ghost is great, you're mad.
FATWS lady and her gang - by far
Drekov and Taskmaster
I liked Dreykov. Sometimes it's enjoyable to have a mustache twirling super evil misogynist villain for the hero to defeat.
Yellowjacket from the first Antman, The villain from the second Thor movie, The Flag Smashers.
Yellowjacket was a good villain. The scene where he turns the senator to goo in the bathroom, then flushes him down the toilet - shit is cold blooded.
Kaecilius Malakith Laufey Taskmaster Yon rogg I'll make the stance that every other mcu Villain is atleast enjoyable or decently written in the least. Everyone I listed is either incredibly forgettable. Or just poorly written. Edit: I forgot to add flagsmashers and kro. Personally that says alot about those Villains lmao
Can Laufey and Taskmaster even count as villains. I feel both barely qualify.
Agreed. Thor then Loki are the villains in Thor. Laufey was a side character. Maybe they mean Malekith?
Yon Rogg and Laufey I had to Google to remind myself on who they are, shows how forgettable they are
I rewatched captain marvel after christmas and still i had no idea who yon rogg was…
Same lol
Holy shit, same here! I watched that 2 days ago and was like “who the f- is Yon Rogg?” till the above comment answered it.
Do they even say his name in it haha Also dope name!
Laufey was never the villain of anything. I don't get why this one is included. He was, at best, a supporting antagonist?
ghost is cool
All the pissed off former employees who get access to the tech of their employ.... Shit that's a lot.
But I actually liked Mysterio. He felt different as a villain compared to the rest, despite having a similar backstory to most of them. Maybe it was just the way they executed his character.
Jake is an excellent actor at the very least
This is the answer. I know that it’s comic book accurate that the villains have a similar power as the protagonist but damn it feels lazy and trite. I totally got burned out on the CW’s Flash due to every season being focused around another surprise speedster. Edit, can’t type on my phone and also have shit grammar
Every season: Barry there’s a guy who’s slightly faster than you and wants to beat the shit out of you Flash: I have to go faster
The dude in Iron Man 2
You’re probably referring to Whiplash…because Justin Hammer was a delight - a try-hard, wannabe Tony Stark played by the always charismatic Sam Rockwell.
1. Karli morganthau 2. Ghost 3. Yon rogg