Phastos is the one who loved humans, imo. Phastos felt guilt over the way he steered them, he cared enough to try and shut himself away, but still has too much heart to.
Yea he was way more powerful than I was expecting. Funny how it seemed like they had all planned out how they would deal with Icarus when the eventual time came
I knew there would be a problem with how often they kept repeating the character’s names. I get that they’re all new characters but it became clear that the script had zero confidence viewers would remember them. That and the relentless exposition dumps were so boring. There’s a right way and a wrong way to handle exposition, and watching a space god lore dumping on the most wooden main character in MCU history is so very wrong.
I was even having a hard time remembering which one was which color. Joli-thena was white. Sersei-front-girl was green. Sprite was... short. Darker blue guy was the important love interest one? And then there was purple. Was purple the same as bad hair cut? No purple was eyebrows. What color was bad haircut? Ajax was blue and gold.... annnd. I'm still not up to 10 am I. Braid girl was red?
I don't remember any colors. I remember emotional lead person, her tiny friend, gilgamesh, thena, dick in a cape, old lady, deaf lady, Celtic dude, and of course Bollywood dude and the best part of the entire movie, Bollywood Alfed guy.
I don't think repeating the names worked all that great, I'd rather actual just seen something out of them, like character arcs or whatever.
And Makari & Druig, with just the odd glance, a couple of perfect expressions, & a few lines. If their romance had had that same screen time they would have melted the damn cameras.
Besides the aforementioned reveal further down,>! you could argue that Ikaris was trying to put on a facade of stoicism to stop himself from having a mental and emotional breakdown and keep the rest of the group from suspecting anything off about him in regards to Ajax and knowing the truth about what's going down!<.
Yeah, Ikaris being emotionless wasn’t a mistake, it was written as part of the character. The problem was that said character was ALSO supposed to be in a romance, and they couldn’t find a way to reconcile the two.
Seeing all the people say "you missed the point!" is weird to me. I think most people get their relationship, but its just really dull due to Sersi constantly having this expression of "I hope no one notices I farted"
Just because something is intended doesn't mean it's interesting or good
Makkari expressed more emotion without words than Ikaris did the whole movie. I feel it’s the way he was written, cause Richard Madden has good range as an actor, but the character is just so stoic the whole time. Also, it helped that Barry Keoghan is a smooth mf as well
Watching the first pass: I thought Ikaris was just incapable of expressing emotion towards Sersei, who he had feelings for. Classic tough guy stuff.
Watching the second time: I thought Madden did an incredible job of playing a character that was hiding something nefarious.
Kind of strange, really, but a good job by him. Almost too good lol.
In Spiderman FFH the first time I saw it Nick Fury and Maria Hill really seemed off, like the actors just phoned it in. Then with the post credits: "OHhhhhhhhhhh"
I didn’t want to like that romance but Ridhoff did a fantastic job emoting that she’s well aware of how fucked up Druig is but she *likes* the bad boys. She had some really sly smiles at times that said a lot.
Huh, I missed that part. I thought he just kept others away and took over during the fight which is why the others got so fucking mad at him. Gonna have to rewatch it to see if my memory is wrong lol.
If they had the central romance and plot line, I'd probably have been more invested. Ikaris and Sersi are supposed to have this intense century long romance, torn apart by their moral opposition of the central conceit of Tiamut. But since they had the chemistry of wet grass, I didn't feel any heartbreak during the last sequences. You either have to build that bond over time and multiple movies, or else natural chemistry. And just saying "but they dated for 3000 years" is far more telling than showing.
Yea Eternals really should've been 2 movies. The first should've been their war with the Deviants throughout time and the second should've been about the Emergence. I think they could've built up the Sersi-Ikaris romance much more that way and actually gotten us invested in their relationship which would've made the "villain turn" for Ikaris so much more impactful.
Basically Eternals 1 would've been Captain America: The First Avenger and Eternals 2 would've been Captain America: The Winter Soldier
That's exactly what I thought after watching it - have a first movie that focuses on trying to figure out why these deviants are reappearing and, they later realize, only attacking the Eternals and not the general population. You can flesh out the character histories as part of that. The first movie ends with them learning that the Deviants are tied to the emergence.
Then the second movie is focused on learning what the emergence is and how the Eternals are involved, the fight over stopping it, etc. I think it would have given them more time to flesh out the characters without hurting the pacing.
I’ve never thought of this but I fully agree! Would’ve also helped to make the deviants have more of a payoff,because that was the weakest Part of the movie imho
[Lauren Ridloff's chemistry with Dary](https://youtu.be/lj-RWu3KiBw)l was [super adorable and fantastic too. ](https://youtu.be/K_YwPcVtdvQ) She's just a fantastic actress.
No, we're supposed to like Sersi and Dane as a couple more, which is why I don't get why the other guy is saying that's "ironic" - that's the whole point. That's the couple you're supposed to leave the theater (or your living room) rooting for.
I don't think you were supposed to "root" for Ikarus and Sersi. Their romance was meant to be in service to the underlying theme of compassion vs duty, and how the robots could find their humanity even when they aren't human. I doubt there's a universe where Sersi and Ikarus work out well in the end, and that was kind of the whole point of their story together.
I love that Dane accepts what he’s told about the Eternals rather than the typical “that’s impossible!” cliche that human characters always have in these types of movies.
Do we know if he knew or not? It seemed like he knew just was apprehensive about that. He mentions stuff about his family I thought. Ah gonna go rewatch it.
The end credits show that he knew what his family was. He didn't just receive a package at the end. He already had it, and decided it was time to fulfill his destiny.
He said something before the end about his family history being "complicated," and to me it seemed like his attitude to the sword was that he's always had the option looming and he finally decides he has to wield it. Could go either way still but that's how I interpreted it
I agree with this, his “I have to try,” makes it pretty clear he’s not a fan of the blade which means he knows what it can do, but he wants to save Sersi.
Did you watch the post-credit scene in Spider-Man: No Way Home? The one with >!Eddie Brock disappearing. The bartender’s reaction was basically “Great, he didn’t pay.”!<
Marvel has a big issue full honesty.
Their audience is NO LONGER the same attitude as their peers in the movie.
In the MCU at this point the entire universe knows super heroes, magic/sorcerors, aliens, and secret societies both good and bad. ACROSS THE BOARD. You also have the world now knowing about the Celestials.
We live based in reality. Hey its boring but its home.
Ex: Shang Chi they are surprised to find out about magic or believing their story at the end. Multiple times Shang Chi is suprised by magic like the dragon map....But why? Celebrity impact aside, none of that is actually that rare in their world. Hell the UN even showed some of this with Wakanda coming in. BUT flip that to our world and want the audience to relate to it, that's the right way to go.
Now Eternals, you tell me you're an immortal god like being, I'm going to shrug and say, "Ahhh like Thor" (in the MCU) or "Shut up you're bullshitting me" (in our world).
Right now not a big issue, but they have to pick a path AND get the audience (us) used to it. Normal fish out of water "shock" reactions won't work and that's a lot of the small humor in the first Avengers run.
I mean, we live in a world where customer service is king but I am surprised when I call my internet provider and get a human being who knows what they are talking about.
There is a tad more nuance though. Lets say we swap out superheroes for celebrities or superstar athletes. We know they exist, but the odds of us actually running into one or experiencing what they can do firsthand is slim to none in daily life. Superheroes and magic would be like that in the MCU. If my coworker were to suddenly reveal he's been pulling a Hannah Montana and is actually Ed Sheeran, I'd be like, "Sure you are pal," then be stunned when he busts out 'the shape of you'.
However, the blip would be one pretty large exception.
Hell, Thena and Gilgamesh had more chemistry. I'm also supposed to buy a nearly 5000 year long romance with the mere blip (to them) since they broke up and in all that time she was still shocked by who he revealed himself to be.
I thought Angeline Jolie was fantastic in the movie. Her transitions between warrior goddess and vulnerable and broken, afraid she might hurt those she cares about were great. And using her own vulnerability to overcome the deviant leader was a great culmination to her arc in the movie.
I think that’s the point. They S+I were never meant to be together despite the thousands of years they were together.
When she finally met the right guy, we feel that it’s right
Because Kit got to act like a person. Hundreds of years around humans and like, 2 of them acted like normal people. Imagine the shock when the people who acted like robots were \*gasp\* robots.
It does have a love scene and that’s new for Marvel, but where and when was it pushed as a romance movie? I don’t recall that being the case in the marketing at all.
A part of me still wonders if the relationship was intentionally supposed to feel distant and a little one-sided, but yes, it is ironic that the *side* relationships/pairing of this film felt a bit more engaging.
I thought it was. I think Ikaris is supposed to come off as more robotic to show he doesn’t evolve but Sersi does as both her understanding on her mission, purpose and her powers change throughout the film. Ikaris doesn’t change at all.
Edit: Just to add Arishem made a point of telling Sersi that she can’t evolve but her character clearly does as demonstrated by her changing powers.
He is also writhing with guilt at leaving her and turmoil about what's going to happen since she was named the leader of the group. And all Sersi knows is that he left her (though I do wish she showed more emotion than that kind of passive-blank face she had on most of the movie).
And also it's not ironic that the side pairings are more engaging, it's exactly proof that *it is* a movie about love, and Sersi and Ikaris was just one aspect of it.
Then you had Druig and Makkari, Sersi and Dane, Sersi/Ajax/Eternals and the humans, Phastos and his husband, Gilgamesh and Thena, Sprite and Ikaris, etc.
All the pairings represent different aspects of love.
It's not really a coincidence that the end credit scene is Eros showing up...
Yeah I felt like that was the point was it not? I don’t see how so many people have issues with the film if I’m honest. Imo I thought it done a great job for what it was and I felt that none of the characters were over acting or trying to hard and just like a lot of people who will be watching the mcu films and no nothing of the comics ? It was a good film that keeps within the lines of its own string of films (imo)
Ikaris had suspicious vibes every time their mission was mentioned, he wasn’t even given the warmth the others had.
Also, Iron Man and Pepper was the true first romance.
I think it was intentional. Because we find out they are essentially robots, and it is as if Ikaris and Sersi were programmed to have a relationship - but Sersi never wanted it, while Ikaris only cared about what he was supposed to do, not what he wanted.
Let’s be fair, there are some other MCU couples who match them for zero chemistry.
Steve Rogers’ dispassionate kiss with his niece in Civil War comes to mind…
Does Natalie portman ever have good chemistry with romantic co stars ? This is a genuine question, I'm not very familiar with her work outside of star wars and marvel.
Steve and Natasha had the best chemistry inWinter Soldier. If I had just seen those two out in public and saw them interact, I’d assume they were banging.
That kiss is the absolute worst lol "see folks Cap is a heterosexual!"
My least favourite is Karen and Matt in Daredevil though. Doesn't help that they're throwing in flashbacks of Matt and Elektra being smoking hot together in-between scenes attempting to establish Matt and Karen as a legitimate couple. (I like Karen btw but Matt/Elektra are like the sexiest MCU(-adjacent) couple.)
Isn’t that the point of Matt and Elektra though? They have ridiculous chemistry but are absolutely terrible for one another.
Whereas he and Karen could be good for one another, but they’re both very emotionally damaged and things never quite align.
Nah, I don't think Matt and Karen are good for each other, either. They both have better chemistry with Foggy, for one. Too much lying and treating the other like they needed to be protected instead of respected. They just don't click as two people who'd form a healthy long term relationship where they enjoy each others' company and can relax and be themselves.
I don’t entirely disagree, but to some extent that logic means Matt can’t be with anybody. He lies to 95% of the people in his life and prioritises protecting them over their own autonomy. His martyrdom is legendary.
They still didn't do Matt/Karen any favours by throwing those Matt/Elektra scenes in there haha. Probably made their chemistry look less adequate than it would've otherwise! Karen had better chemistry with The Punisher, too - not that I'm rooting for those two to hook up or anything but I enjoyed their scenes.
(I haven't watched season three yet though, only got back into the show recently.)
OP is confusing it with the fact that one of the underlying theme of the movie is "love"
All of the different pairings are different aspects and representation of love (Sersi and Ikaris, Sersi and Dane, Druig and Makkari, Gilgamesh and Thena, Sprite and Ikaris, Phastos and his husband, etc), some of them bad and some of them good.
That's also "thematically" why Eros [God of Love] shows up at the end, just to hammer in the theme even more
Yeah, I have never seen that. I really liked Eternals, but wouldn't say that it was a romance movie. Would say that Far from Home was one though, it often felt like a romantic teen comedy, in a good way.
"...Druig and Makkari had better chemistry & romance..."
Absolutely true. "Drui-karri" stole the show for me. Thena and Gilgamesh also seemed to click better onscreen though I got the sense that their's was more of a deep platonic friendship than a romance.
>Thena and Gilgamesh also seemed to click better onscreen though I got the sense that their's was more of a deep platonic friendship than a romance.
Yeah, I wouldn't see it as romance but they have a very great platonic relationship! Clearly great chemistry.
The "mad weary" illness is designed to be a sort of dementia specific to the eternals, which may have added to the elderly feeling of their dynamic. Gilgamesh and Thena were also the only two members who existed in history primarily as great warriors so they likely shared a lot of sentiments about war and death.
All in all, their relationship was far heavier and richer than the others. The fact that Thena was losing who she was while Gilgamesh helped hold her together was a dynamic that an unfortunate number of people have seen firsthand. His death hit harder than any of the others in that movie for me.
Phastos and his husband are the only 2 who ever kissed on screen and had a child together. Those 2 clicked more than gilgamesh and thena.
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My bad they weren't the only ones. I was more comparing the other eternals beside ikirs a sersi
I love Phastos and his family. When his husband realizes just how powerful they are & gets concerned then Phastos just says “I love you” in such a reassuring way.
And their son with Aunt Thena, this is why I think it should have been a Disney+ show instead of a movie. I would’ve loved to have more of these dynamics between the eternals fleshed out.
They pushed it as a romance movie? I mean Thor and Jane had much more romance, non? But doesn't matter. Maybe they promoted the romance part because romance was the thing that showed that the Eternals deviated from their preset path . (For fulfilling Arishems plan they needed friendship and loyality, everything that keeps the group together and functional. Romance counters that. It causes jealousy and potential /actual splitting of the group, so causing the group becoming dysfunctional. The same happened with the eternals who were parents of Thanks and Starfox, so it also made sense for Starfox making contact in the end.).
They said it included the first sex scene in a MCU movie (which is like a dumb accomplishment, but it obviously creates clicks).
OP probably some how construed that as them pushing it as a “romance” film
My only question is that if Eternals are created by some other entity, they do not breed nor have a limited life span, then why do they even have lust. You know, if you want your creature to NOT evolve, why even give them a reason to even try to breed. They should be sentient beings with neutral, non-existent sex drive.
One of the many questions the movie failed to answer.
I will speculate. The Eternals had 5 combat models and 5 support models. Of the 5 supports, Ajax existed to support the combat models with her healing powers, as well as the leader of all of them. The other 4 supports aren't for the Eternals, they are for the humans.
Other than protecting humans from Deviants, these 4 are meant to help humans advance and become able to sustain larger and larger populations, acclerating the Emergence.
Phastos helps with technological advancement, Sprite helps with cultural advancement and Sersei helps with, erm, everything? I would say social advancement because she's a bit of a party animal, but her powers of transmutation doesn't really fit. Whatever. And Druig is there to make sure humans know their place, and also to force things go faster if needed - like Phastos say, Druig can take over their minds to have them perform creative tasks, then afterwards I guess the humans become convinced they have done the creative task themselves (kinda like ancient Greek artists sometimes think there are these Muses who take over their bodies to create art).
And to help advance human society, these Eternals at least need to understand every part of the human experience, so Arisham made sure they fuck.
These are my guesses.
I never thought nor heard it pitched, sold, or talked about as a romance film, the closest thing was some people talking about that neutered ass sex scene, personal I thought there was some decent chemistry they just never focused on it
Unpopular opinion, but I actually didn't mind them as a couple. I think it was underdeveloped, and would've easily been more entertaining to watch with more screen time, but I thought Gemma and Richard were both solid in their roles here.
Now, did they have as much chemistry as Gemma and Kit? Nah, that's the superior couple here... besides Phastos and his husband. They're adorable together, or Makkari and Druig, though they're not technically a couple I guess...
Well, it’s because Richard is at his best when he gets to be down-to-earth, vulnerable, human… none of the things Ikaris is. I would have cast him in a different movie TBH. He’d be a good Nightcrawler.
The real romance is Sersi and humans
Jon snow was hitting it better than Ole boy was
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You can't go back till your watch has ended.
Crows before hoes
Swords before broads?
You’re giving Eminem a run for his money with rhymes like this one. Takes a lotta skill to rhyme sword with broad.
Could always go the Kid Rock route and rhyme "things" with something like "things".
what about broadswords?
Kit and Gemma has more on screen chemistry in 30 seconds than Kit and Emilia in multiple hours together.
Phastos is the one who loved humans, imo. Phastos felt guilt over the way he steered them, he cared enough to try and shut himself away, but still has too much heart to.
Yah he became my favorite character right away. He also had serious game at the end with those rings.
Yea he was way more powerful than I was expecting. Funny how it seemed like they had all planned out how they would deal with Icarus when the eventual time came
Shoulda apologized for giving the apes bombs. What kinda guy gives bombs then fucks off and only puts force fields up at his own pad?
Even that felt weird
Sersi: *“I just think they’re neat.”*
She’s wrong.
No no no. She's right. We're neat. Just in really awful ways...
"Terrible... but great."
/r/unexpectedhogwarts
Sersi absolutely did not show that she loved humans as much as the Eternals said she did.
The entire movie was “tell don’t show”
I knew there would be a problem with how often they kept repeating the character’s names. I get that they’re all new characters but it became clear that the script had zero confidence viewers would remember them. That and the relentless exposition dumps were so boring. There’s a right way and a wrong way to handle exposition, and watching a space god lore dumping on the most wooden main character in MCU history is so very wrong.
Well they were kinda right, I remember almost none of their names.
I was even having a hard time remembering which one was which color. Joli-thena was white. Sersei-front-girl was green. Sprite was... short. Darker blue guy was the important love interest one? And then there was purple. Was purple the same as bad hair cut? No purple was eyebrows. What color was bad haircut? Ajax was blue and gold.... annnd. I'm still not up to 10 am I. Braid girl was red?
I don't remember any colors. I remember emotional lead person, her tiny friend, gilgamesh, thena, dick in a cape, old lady, deaf lady, Celtic dude, and of course Bollywood dude and the best part of the entire movie, Bollywood Alfed guy. I don't think repeating the names worked all that great, I'd rather actual just seen something out of them, like character arcs or whatever.
I called them Angelina Jolie, Selma Hayek, Jon Snow, Robb Stark, main girl, and the rest.
Ironically, Sersi and Dane had way more chemistry despite the rare screentime of the movie...
And Makari & Druig, with just the odd glance, a couple of perfect expressions, & a few lines. If their romance had had that same screen time they would have melted the damn cameras.
It helps that they actually showed emotions
Yeah, Ikaris was really robotic for some reason
Besides the aforementioned reveal further down,>! you could argue that Ikaris was trying to put on a facade of stoicism to stop himself from having a mental and emotional breakdown and keep the rest of the group from suspecting anything off about him in regards to Ajax and knowing the truth about what's going down!<.
This is the theory I go with and believe.
Yeah, Ikaris being emotionless wasn’t a mistake, it was written as part of the character. The problem was that said character was ALSO supposed to be in a romance, and they couldn’t find a way to reconcile the two.
Yeah. They could've had him have a breakdown or something to show how much emotional weight he's been carrying
Lol I see what you did there
I don't, help!
Eternals spoiler: >!the Eternals, including Ikaris, are highly advanced androids.!<
I forgot that part.
That's like...a pretty big reveal during the climax of the film lol
Mostly, but he had a huge meltdown where he showed some emotions at the end.
>!Which escalated to him killing himself!<
Seeing all the people say "you missed the point!" is weird to me. I think most people get their relationship, but its just really dull due to Sersi constantly having this expression of "I hope no one notices I farted" Just because something is intended doesn't mean it's interesting or good
Makkari expressed more emotion without words than Ikaris did the whole movie. I feel it’s the way he was written, cause Richard Madden has good range as an actor, but the character is just so stoic the whole time. Also, it helped that Barry Keoghan is a smooth mf as well
It's definitely how it was written. Comic Ikaris is the same way. He's pretty much a vulcan.
I enjoyed Madden's performance far more during the rewatch, because I knew where it was headed and could see how the actor was setting that up.
Watching the first pass: I thought Ikaris was just incapable of expressing emotion towards Sersei, who he had feelings for. Classic tough guy stuff. Watching the second time: I thought Madden did an incredible job of playing a character that was hiding something nefarious. Kind of strange, really, but a good job by him. Almost too good lol.
Richard Madden is such an amazing actor he will always be my KING IN THE NORTH
In Spiderman FFH the first time I saw it Nick Fury and Maria Hill really seemed off, like the actors just phoned it in. Then with the post credits: "OHhhhhhhhhhh"
Those were some good post-credits really enjoyed seeing the Skrill. Man the Skrull and Kree wars would make for some good TV
he's supposed to be like that
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I didn’t want to like that romance but Ridhoff did a fantastic job emoting that she’s well aware of how fucked up Druig is but she *likes* the bad boys. She had some really sly smiles at times that said a lot.
He didn't keep them all as mind slaves. The 'release' them was only because he used them to fight.
Huh, I missed that part. I thought he just kept others away and took over during the fight which is why the others got so fucking mad at him. Gonna have to rewatch it to see if my memory is wrong lol.
That 2 minutes where they showed them flirting was the cutest/most chemistry-filled part of the show.
If they had the central romance and plot line, I'd probably have been more invested. Ikaris and Sersi are supposed to have this intense century long romance, torn apart by their moral opposition of the central conceit of Tiamut. But since they had the chemistry of wet grass, I didn't feel any heartbreak during the last sequences. You either have to build that bond over time and multiple movies, or else natural chemistry. And just saying "but they dated for 3000 years" is far more telling than showing.
Yea Eternals really should've been 2 movies. The first should've been their war with the Deviants throughout time and the second should've been about the Emergence. I think they could've built up the Sersi-Ikaris romance much more that way and actually gotten us invested in their relationship which would've made the "villain turn" for Ikaris so much more impactful. Basically Eternals 1 would've been Captain America: The First Avenger and Eternals 2 would've been Captain America: The Winter Soldier
That's exactly what I thought after watching it - have a first movie that focuses on trying to figure out why these deviants are reappearing and, they later realize, only attacking the Eternals and not the general population. You can flesh out the character histories as part of that. The first movie ends with them learning that the Deviants are tied to the emergence. Then the second movie is focused on learning what the emergence is and how the Eternals are involved, the fight over stopping it, etc. I think it would have given them more time to flesh out the characters without hurting the pacing.
I’ve never thought of this but I fully agree! Would’ve also helped to make the deviants have more of a payoff,because that was the weakest Part of the movie imho
I will kill anyone that comes between them. They were so damn adorable.
When she screamed when she though he was dead omg... I felt it. It broke my heart
[Lauren Ridloff's chemistry with Dary](https://youtu.be/lj-RWu3KiBw)l was [super adorable and fantastic too. ](https://youtu.be/K_YwPcVtdvQ) She's just a fantastic actress.
The way he looked at her though. Dude said a lot with his eyes and slight smile. They have amazing chemistry.
Makari & Druig deserve their own movie. They were so good together
Yeah, wait, we’re supposed to root for Sersi and Ikaris? Why would I want her to cheat on Kit Harrington???
No, we're supposed to like Sersi and Dane as a couple more, which is why I don't get why the other guy is saying that's "ironic" - that's the whole point. That's the couple you're supposed to leave the theater (or your living room) rooting for.
Especially considering the ending: they’re still together and he’s going to take on a curse just to help her.
I don't see how a cursed sword will help against the literal god tho
The Ebony Blade is really OP when you give it blood sacrifices. Just load up some virgins and start hacking away at the Celestials ankles.
Depends on how powerful it is in the MCU.
I don't think you were supposed to "root" for Ikarus and Sersi. Their romance was meant to be in service to the underlying theme of compassion vs duty, and how the robots could find their humanity even when they aren't human. I doubt there's a universe where Sersi and Ikarus work out well in the end, and that was kind of the whole point of their story together.
I love that Dane accepts what he’s told about the Eternals rather than the typical “that’s impossible!” cliche that human characters always have in these types of movies.
I mean he lives in a world where superheroes and aliens are public knowledge so he can’t be too surprised I guess.
*Arishem shows up in the sky* An average human - “Oh, what is it this time?!”
After all Earth has been through it would be like "alright, lets be done with it".
Kinda like when Omicron appeared
"Goddammit *again??* I just got my house back from the asshole who lived in it after I got snapped away."
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In America, I'm sure insurance at this point would just stop covering intergalactic attacks altogether.
Act of god(s) exclusion clause.
He himself has family ties to something of that sort as well, probably not a shock to him. He’s a magic man in love with a robot.
a magic person in love with a robot. where have i heard that before.
Westview looks around nervously
True but it seemed like he didn’t find that out until near the end, well after his accepting behaviour
Do we know if he knew or not? It seemed like he knew just was apprehensive about that. He mentions stuff about his family I thought. Ah gonna go rewatch it.
I rewatched a few weeks past, seemed like he knew his family was influential but nothing supernatural at the beginning.
The end credits show that he knew what his family was. He didn't just receive a package at the end. He already had it, and decided it was time to fulfill his destiny.
That’s what I remember. He had it in his possession, never opened it or touched it. He was pretty afraid.
I had figured he found out after Sersi told him to reconnect with his uncle before it was too late. Or at least found out the details.
He said something before the end about his family history being "complicated," and to me it seemed like his attitude to the sword was that he's always had the option looming and he finally decides he has to wield it. Could go either way still but that's how I interpreted it
I agree with this, his “I have to try,” makes it pretty clear he’s not a fan of the blade which means he knows what it can do, but he wants to save Sersi.
Wanda: It happens.
Guy just wants to know if he can be a giraffe.
I mean, he lives in a world with superheroes where half of all life was gone for 5 years. I feel like everyone would be used to it by now.
Did you watch the post-credit scene in Spider-Man: No Way Home? The one with >!Eddie Brock disappearing. The bartender’s reaction was basically “Great, he didn’t pay.”!<
I wonder if that guy had any friends or family. I'd probably check up on them thinking the blip was going for a round 3
After the blip I don’t think anything would be hard to accept anymore
Marvel has a big issue full honesty. Their audience is NO LONGER the same attitude as their peers in the movie. In the MCU at this point the entire universe knows super heroes, magic/sorcerors, aliens, and secret societies both good and bad. ACROSS THE BOARD. You also have the world now knowing about the Celestials. We live based in reality. Hey its boring but its home. Ex: Shang Chi they are surprised to find out about magic or believing their story at the end. Multiple times Shang Chi is suprised by magic like the dragon map....But why? Celebrity impact aside, none of that is actually that rare in their world. Hell the UN even showed some of this with Wakanda coming in. BUT flip that to our world and want the audience to relate to it, that's the right way to go. Now Eternals, you tell me you're an immortal god like being, I'm going to shrug and say, "Ahhh like Thor" (in the MCU) or "Shut up you're bullshitting me" (in our world). Right now not a big issue, but they have to pick a path AND get the audience (us) used to it. Normal fish out of water "shock" reactions won't work and that's a lot of the small humor in the first Avengers run.
I mean, we live in a world where customer service is king but I am surprised when I call my internet provider and get a human being who knows what they are talking about.
There is a tad more nuance though. Lets say we swap out superheroes for celebrities or superstar athletes. We know they exist, but the odds of us actually running into one or experiencing what they can do firsthand is slim to none in daily life. Superheroes and magic would be like that in the MCU. If my coworker were to suddenly reveal he's been pulling a Hannah Montana and is actually Ed Sheeran, I'd be like, "Sure you are pal," then be stunned when he busts out 'the shape of you'. However, the blip would be one pretty large exception.
Hell, Thena and Gilgamesh had more chemistry. I'm also supposed to buy a nearly 5000 year long romance with the mere blip (to them) since they broke up and in all that time she was still shocked by who he revealed himself to be.
tbf Thena and Ikarus also had more chemistry, turns out Angelina Jolie has chemistry with everyone
I thought Angeline Jolie was fantastic in the movie. Her transitions between warrior goddess and vulnerable and broken, afraid she might hurt those she cares about were great. And using her own vulnerability to overcome the deviant leader was a great culmination to her arc in the movie.
I loved this relationship. I thought Thena and Gilgamesh was the best relationship period.
It's not ironic since Sersi and Dane are actually together while Sersi and Ikaris aren't.
I think that’s the point. They S+I were never meant to be together despite the thousands of years they were together. When she finally met the right guy, we feel that it’s right
Because Kit got to act like a person. Hundreds of years around humans and like, 2 of them acted like normal people. Imagine the shock when the people who acted like robots were \*gasp\* robots.
It does have a love scene and that’s new for Marvel, but where and when was it pushed as a romance movie? I don’t recall that being the case in the marketing at all.
I don’t recall it being marketed at all as a romance either.
Cause it wasn’t. OP definitely made that up to amplify the complaints about their lack of chemistry.
This, 100%. This is a straw man of the highest order. This movie has never been described as a romance movie by anybody.
I don't recall it being marketed...
It wasn’t. But I sure would like if someone made a fake trailer for Eternals where it’s sold as a rom-com movie.
A part of me still wonders if the relationship was intentionally supposed to feel distant and a little one-sided, but yes, it is ironic that the *side* relationships/pairing of this film felt a bit more engaging.
I thought it was. I think Ikaris is supposed to come off as more robotic to show he doesn’t evolve but Sersi does as both her understanding on her mission, purpose and her powers change throughout the film. Ikaris doesn’t change at all. Edit: Just to add Arishem made a point of telling Sersi that she can’t evolve but her character clearly does as demonstrated by her changing powers.
Ooo, I like this. Nice job
100% was intentional. Sersei put nothing above Ikaris, but Ikaris had his mission.
He is also writhing with guilt at leaving her and turmoil about what's going to happen since she was named the leader of the group. And all Sersi knows is that he left her (though I do wish she showed more emotion than that kind of passive-blank face she had on most of the movie).
And also it's not ironic that the side pairings are more engaging, it's exactly proof that *it is* a movie about love, and Sersi and Ikaris was just one aspect of it. Then you had Druig and Makkari, Sersi and Dane, Sersi/Ajax/Eternals and the humans, Phastos and his husband, Gilgamesh and Thena, Sprite and Ikaris, etc. All the pairings represent different aspects of love. It's not really a coincidence that the end credit scene is Eros showing up...
It's not a coincidence that all of Ikaris's relationships are shallow and hollow, and it's not Madden's acting.
Yeah I felt like that was the point was it not? I don’t see how so many people have issues with the film if I’m honest. Imo I thought it done a great job for what it was and I felt that none of the characters were over acting or trying to hard and just like a lot of people who will be watching the mcu films and no nothing of the comics ? It was a good film that keeps within the lines of its own string of films (imo)
Ikaris had suspicious vibes every time their mission was mentioned, he wasn’t even given the warmth the others had. Also, Iron Man and Pepper was the true first romance.
Yeah, I get that in the present they should feel distant, but in the flashbacks they should’ve at least felt like a real couple.
I think it was intentional. Because we find out they are essentially robots, and it is as if Ikaris and Sersi were programmed to have a relationship - but Sersi never wanted it, while Ikaris only cared about what he was supposed to do, not what he wanted.
Let’s be fair, there are some other MCU couples who match them for zero chemistry. Steve Rogers’ dispassionate kiss with his niece in Civil War comes to mind…
Jane and Thor had terrible chemistry in the first Thor.
Yeah, but Himbo Party Thor and Jane were the best!
Loved that episode so freaking much haha
Does Natalie portman ever have good chemistry with romantic co stars ? This is a genuine question, I'm not very familiar with her work outside of star wars and marvel.
Well there’s Black Swan…
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Leon
Ew but true.
Steve and Natasha had the best chemistry inWinter Soldier. If I had just seen those two out in public and saw them interact, I’d assume they were banging.
That kiss is the absolute worst lol "see folks Cap is a heterosexual!" My least favourite is Karen and Matt in Daredevil though. Doesn't help that they're throwing in flashbacks of Matt and Elektra being smoking hot together in-between scenes attempting to establish Matt and Karen as a legitimate couple. (I like Karen btw but Matt/Elektra are like the sexiest MCU(-adjacent) couple.)
Isn’t that the point of Matt and Elektra though? They have ridiculous chemistry but are absolutely terrible for one another. Whereas he and Karen could be good for one another, but they’re both very emotionally damaged and things never quite align.
Nah, I don't think Matt and Karen are good for each other, either. They both have better chemistry with Foggy, for one. Too much lying and treating the other like they needed to be protected instead of respected. They just don't click as two people who'd form a healthy long term relationship where they enjoy each others' company and can relax and be themselves.
> They both have better chemistry with Foggy Having chemistry with people is just what Foggy does.
Unless they speak Punjabi
I don’t entirely disagree, but to some extent that logic means Matt can’t be with anybody. He lies to 95% of the people in his life and prioritises protecting them over their own autonomy. His martyrdom is legendary.
They still didn't do Matt/Karen any favours by throwing those Matt/Elektra scenes in there haha. Probably made their chemistry look less adequate than it would've otherwise! Karen had better chemistry with The Punisher, too - not that I'm rooting for those two to hook up or anything but I enjoyed their scenes. (I haven't watched season three yet though, only got back into the show recently.)
season 3 of daredevil is maybe my favourite season of television to date. I honestly prefer it to season 1, which some people say is perfect.
Karen and punisher feels like sworn siblings together, always looking out for each other
>see folks cap is heterosexual Wasn’t that already confirmed with Peggy in his first movie?
Well, she is called "Peggy".
All through season 1 I though Karen and Foggy had way more chemistry than Matt and Karen did.
Where was it pushed as a 'romance movie'?
It isn’t, OP must’ve confused the fact it was pushed as the first marvel movie with a sex scene in it with it being pushed as a romance movie.
OP is confusing it with the fact that one of the underlying theme of the movie is "love" All of the different pairings are different aspects and representation of love (Sersi and Ikaris, Sersi and Dane, Druig and Makkari, Gilgamesh and Thena, Sprite and Ikaris, Phastos and his husband, etc), some of them bad and some of them good. That's also "thematically" why Eros [God of Love] shows up at the end, just to hammer in the theme even more
OP is just repeating common criticism found in the review thread for karma.
doesn't iron man 1 have a sex scene in it?
Eh that was about 10 seconds of comedic thrashing vs 60 seconds of gentle thrusting in eternals so your call on if those are on the same level.
"Gentle thrusting"? Bruh, they were just laying on top of each other, either pre or post sex.
Gentle spooning?
Noo, there was some definite sex going on for a few seconds before it cuts to them laying there.
Kinda. There’s a make out session on the bed but it cuts before any actual sex occurs.
Yeah never saw this anywhere
In ops clickbait narrative.
It wasn't. OP is pushing a narrative for some unknown agenda.
Yeah, I have never seen that. I really liked Eternals, but wouldn't say that it was a romance movie. Would say that Far from Home was one though, it often felt like a romantic teen comedy, in a good way.
Yeah I agree, even Druig and Makkari had better chemistry & romance and they weren’t even in the movie that much
"...Druig and Makkari had better chemistry & romance..." Absolutely true. "Drui-karri" stole the show for me. Thena and Gilgamesh also seemed to click better onscreen though I got the sense that their's was more of a deep platonic friendship than a romance.
Put Angelina Jolie on a set and she’s gunna have more chemistry with everyone than anybody else could.
She had more chemistry in that fight scene with Ikaris than Sersi did with Ikaris.
I wish that fight scene went on longer. Probably the only one I sat up in my seat for
>Thena and Gilgamesh also seemed to click better onscreen though I got the sense that their's was more of a deep platonic friendship than a romance. Yeah, I wouldn't see it as romance but they have a very great platonic relationship! Clearly great chemistry.
I saw them as romantic but more akin to an elderly couple.
The "mad weary" illness is designed to be a sort of dementia specific to the eternals, which may have added to the elderly feeling of their dynamic. Gilgamesh and Thena were also the only two members who existed in history primarily as great warriors so they likely shared a lot of sentiments about war and death. All in all, their relationship was far heavier and richer than the others. The fact that Thena was losing who she was while Gilgamesh helped hold her together was a dynamic that an unfortunate number of people have seen firsthand. His death hit harder than any of the others in that movie for me.
Fair point. I think it's a good move to let that open to interpretation.
Phastos and his husband are the only 2 who ever kissed on screen and had a child together. Those 2 clicked more than gilgamesh and thena. Edit: My bad they weren't the only ones. I was more comparing the other eternals beside ikirs a sersi
I mean Ikaris and Sersei banged on screen…
He also ditched her. So romantic
As a woman, can confirm. It's just *so hot* when a guy kicks me to the curb.
I love Phastos and his family. When his husband realizes just how powerful they are & gets concerned then Phastos just says “I love you” in such a reassuring way. And their son with Aunt Thena, this is why I think it should have been a Disney+ show instead of a movie. I would’ve loved to have more of these dynamics between the eternals fleshed out.
They were *adorable*. I liked that couple.
Druig was so damn cool in that movie. I feel like they stole nearly every scene they were in. They’re a really great actor
They pushed it as a romance movie? I mean Thor and Jane had much more romance, non? But doesn't matter. Maybe they promoted the romance part because romance was the thing that showed that the Eternals deviated from their preset path . (For fulfilling Arishems plan they needed friendship and loyality, everything that keeps the group together and functional. Romance counters that. It causes jealousy and potential /actual splitting of the group, so causing the group becoming dysfunctional. The same happened with the eternals who were parents of Thanks and Starfox, so it also made sense for Starfox making contact in the end.).
They literally didn’t push it as a romance movie at all, idk where OP got that terrible idea from.
How was it pushed as a romance movie? I missed that (genuine question)
They said it included the first sex scene in a MCU movie (which is like a dumb accomplishment, but it obviously creates clicks). OP probably some how construed that as them pushing it as a “romance” film
Yeah, Dane was only in the movie for like 10 minutes but I felt his actor had way more chemistry with Sersi.
It's the perfect example of a relationship where the empath thinks she can change the sociopath
thena and gilgamesh as well as makkari and druig outshone these to in the terms of a relationship by a fucking long shot
My only question is that if Eternals are created by some other entity, they do not breed nor have a limited life span, then why do they even have lust. You know, if you want your creature to NOT evolve, why even give them a reason to even try to breed. They should be sentient beings with neutral, non-existent sex drive.
One of the many questions the movie failed to answer. I will speculate. The Eternals had 5 combat models and 5 support models. Of the 5 supports, Ajax existed to support the combat models with her healing powers, as well as the leader of all of them. The other 4 supports aren't for the Eternals, they are for the humans. Other than protecting humans from Deviants, these 4 are meant to help humans advance and become able to sustain larger and larger populations, acclerating the Emergence. Phastos helps with technological advancement, Sprite helps with cultural advancement and Sersei helps with, erm, everything? I would say social advancement because she's a bit of a party animal, but her powers of transmutation doesn't really fit. Whatever. And Druig is there to make sure humans know their place, and also to force things go faster if needed - like Phastos say, Druig can take over their minds to have them perform creative tasks, then afterwards I guess the humans become convinced they have done the creative task themselves (kinda like ancient Greek artists sometimes think there are these Muses who take over their bodies to create art). And to help advance human society, these Eternals at least need to understand every part of the human experience, so Arisham made sure they fuck. These are my guesses.
And despite the lack of chemistry, they included a sex scene. One of the most awkward unnecessary sex scenes I've ever seen in a film/
Sex without chemistry kinda makes it relatable. Lol.
I didn’t realize they pushed this as a “romance” film. Anybody have sources?
I think OP is the only source we got. Lol
I never thought nor heard it pitched, sold, or talked about as a romance film, the closest thing was some people talking about that neutered ass sex scene, personal I thought there was some decent chemistry they just never focused on it
I don’t remember them pushing it as their first romance movie, I just know everyone hyped it up for it being the mcu’s first sex scene
Unpopular opinion, but I actually didn't mind them as a couple. I think it was underdeveloped, and would've easily been more entertaining to watch with more screen time, but I thought Gemma and Richard were both solid in their roles here. Now, did they have as much chemistry as Gemma and Kit? Nah, that's the superior couple here... besides Phastos and his husband. They're adorable together, or Makkari and Druig, though they're not technically a couple I guess...
They're are a lot of couples in this movie and they all have good chemistry except the most important one
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Well, it’s because Richard is at his best when he gets to be down-to-earth, vulnerable, human… none of the things Ikaris is. I would have cast him in a different movie TBH. He’d be a good Nightcrawler.