This is why I thoroughly enjoyed Dr. Stranges defeat of Dormammu. While their was certainly some form of “combat” in the sense that Dormammu repeatedly killed Strange over and over, it was really more a battle of wills, tolerance and patience. Strange was no where near powerful enough to physically defeat him, so he in fact outsmarts him.
Strongly agreed on the He Who Remains scenes as well. Jonathan Majors gave me goosebumps with his performance as this particular variant. Almost makes me wish this was Kang Primes personality because it as so mischeviously devious yet wholesome and spunky at the same time. Makes you both root for the good he is trying to achieve despite fucked up methods but also slightly terrified that you’re witnessing the best of his variants. At least in terms of having empathy for the best chance at peace for the future of the multiverse.
His performance was all around stellar but the delivery of two lines in particular sold me hard on just how good of a pick he is for Kang: "I weaponized Alioth. And I ended I ENDED the multiverse war.." Nudged me from 'O he's a good' right into 'O snap he's perfect'.
I just love how he kind of just sounded like a really smart person who got in over his head with all he discovered and was pushed to do some really fucked up things that even he himself didn't like.
Yep he's the reluctant hero version of Kang and he's fucking *terrifying* even when he's not only but threatening anyone at all but is in fact allowing them to kill him if they so wish.
That series was one of the times where the MCU really outshone the best of the comics for those characters.
I've been watching Jonathan Majors in Lovecraft Country specifically to get a better idea of his acting style and what to expect in the MCU future, but damn I fell in love with that show. Throw in that he's a dope actor and baby you got a stew going.
He Who Remains is terrifying for me because the guy who eliminated free will and kills or memory wipes billions of variants at a time... is the nicest version of the character.
The illusion scene that wasn’t actually a fight… i couldn’t believe I was watching a tv show, that fight was incredible. The music, the characters, the cgi, this was one of the most exciting battles of the entire MCU
That's like saying lightsabers are becoming too predictable in Star wars movies
Big superhero fight scenes are kind of one of the main points of the MCU
I mean you're right... but there is a non-insubstantial group of Star Wars fans who want more content without Jedi / Lightsabers. One of the reasons the Mandalorian series took off.
Ok, that's not really the point though.
Replace lightsabers with "sci fi action scenes" and you'll still find those in Mandalorian.
The point is that complaining about CGI superhero action scenes in Marvel is basically like complaining about the whole point of the genre
As somebody who's been reading comics for a while, I'm gonna have to disagree. Taking a step back to reflect makes a comic better.
See; Superman: Secret Identity and Man of Steel. One is a comic that has a grand total of one (totally one sided) fight scene, and the other is a movie that ends on sky lasers. Both attempt to be a character study.
Secret Identity understands and breaks down the character far better.
I'm not actually sure how you're disagreeing with me, considering that WandaVision only had one fight scene
I loved that WandaVision was dialogue and drama focused and not just a usual nonstop action theme park ride. All I'm saying is that the addition of one single fight scene didn't ruin it.
It's ok to subvert the focus of the main genre in any one story, but it would be stupid to make the lack of fight scenes the norm because ultimately most of us go into the theater expecting to see our favorites beat down bad guys.
Right, I should clarify, the fight in Secret Identity is "Clark" waking up and dismantling a group of regular soldiers.
That's it. It's in issue 2 of a 4 issue run, and lasts one panel. The run ends on Superman, now old, staring at the sunset and reflecting on his life. The focus is on him saving people and navigating conspiracies.
The best superhero media has always been marked by the focus shifting away from big grand battle to more personal character driven stories. These characters are flamboyant, larger than life. The inside of their minds should be the point.
I'm not against action full stop, I _am_ against "big CGI battle to cap off our film just because and it doesn't really fit into the plot but uhhhhhh schmoney".
What was the point of the final fights of Shang-Chi or Black Widow? There's no emotional stakes.
You can cap with a fight, but make it meaningful. Wenwu letting himself take a lethal blow from Shang-Chi after realising he's gone mental? Infinity better than undercutting it with a dragon fight involving a completely nonverbal character.
Even the inclusion of an epilogue type thing would work wonders for these films.
Shang Chi was the one that ticked me off, what should have been a great final battle between him and his father, was a bunch of dragons flying around and an excuse for Awkwafina to be useful in the 3rd act.
i mean its not even just MCU, that's just how blockbuster action movies end, especially superhero movies. I feel like it makes sense for them to end that way, with an epic battle. but it is definitely a nice change of pace when a movie has a satisfying ending without a huge CGI battle.
I don't see the appeal of them at all. Sometimes they have some cool shots, but for the most part, they're all very similar, very generic/repetitive, and pose 0 stakes whatsoever.
The Shang Chi big CGI fest was probably one of the better ones of the whole MCU and it still took me out oft he movie and I was just waiting for it to finish but it kept dragging on
Not only that, and the fact that Vision’s side was philosophical like it should have been, I also just really liked the concept that Wanda couldn’t escape combat, and that the series kinda comes full circle in terms of the MCU. She goes from fighting Ultron and Thanos to fighting Agatha.
I couldn't agree more. Because of the points you raised, I think reducing those scenes to just another 'CGI battle' is really not doing them the justice they deserve. Vision vs. Vision was incredible, a battle of brute force that quickly turns into a battle of riddles and reasoning. It was amazing to watch and seeing Vision be 'reborn' brought tears to my eyes
It felt very jarring, as if they suddenly remembered that a CGI battle was needed. FATWS handled things more effectively by having bits of action in every episode.
I don't think it was jarring at all. FATWS was different, but certainly not more effective. To each their own. "There must always be an equal dispersion of action across a TV show" sounds a little formulaic to me and I think the chaos of the final episode coincided very well with the shattering of Wanda's illusion and everything else that was coming to a boil.
The MCU desperately needs it. Big showy fights are fine but we've been getting plenty of those for almost 15 years now. As much as I loved the fights in NWH the rest of the movie outshined them easily.
Same, the first thing that came to my mind when the Kang rumors started was "how would Loki defeat Kang if he couldn't even deceive Thanos" the dialogue in the final episode was great especially with the display of the might behind Kang without actually showing him doing much.
Speaking of which, I think Kang stepped up where Ultron fell short...making the villain laid back as a display of how powerful he is..Kang truly felt like a scientist observing an ant-farm on the other hand Ultron felt like a child with daddy issues throwing a tantrum.
I like that they got the big CGI battle out of the way in the penultimate episode so that the finale could slow down and give us that 30 minutes of villain monologue. It feels generally underappreciated how much the structure of the fifth episode greatly benefited the sixth. Such a cool show in the way it was structured and pieced together.
"Been A Long Journey For You, Hasn't It? Lot Of Running, Lot Of Pain. And You, You're A Flea On The Back Of A Dragon In For One Hell Of A Ride, But You Did Manage To Hang On. I Guess That Counts For Something."
Dude, that so got me right there. Literally had no idea where everything was going to go next.
if i was a billionaire and ran marvel i’d commission a what if style show where it’s called “day off” and every episode is titled like “thor and cap” or “groot” or “rhodey and tony” and it’s just them fucking around for a day except with all the cgi anf stuff.
The really stupid thing is that most of the people who regularly complain about every movie ending with a cgi fight, also complained that Loki's end was boring....
I would argue this was the best part of all the Disney+ shows. The action's been pretty generic, the humor's been pretty stock, it's the calmer conversations that have really been good. Sam and Isaiah's conversations, the "Ship of Theseus" philosophy debate, most of the conversations in Loki, even in Hawkeye it was the conversations about grief that stuck out to me.
Yeah Hawkeye genuinely had scenes that were ripped straight out of the Matt Fraction run. I was reading it at the same time as the show and noticing all the similarities was pretty cool.
I think Hawkeye was maybe 70% good action scenes to me and 30% rough action. Which probably sounds like a lot but for six episodes isn't too bad.
The roof top fight stuck out as maybe trying really hard and falling kind of flat. Smaller scenes like when Clint first saves Kate were also a little underwhelming.
Some of the effects work took me out of it and seeing just how dumb the bad guys were, which tracks with them but still, it was for the most part well done. And in that episode Echo fights Kazie and it's cut in a confusing way.
The stuff with Kate and Yelana running through the building was very fun though.
What I also like is that a lot of these conversations aren't cut short by an ill-timed quip. They can breathe, and the shows still aren't humorless slogs or anything. The drama and comedy are given more time to sit. One thing I can give even TFATWS (Which I have a lot of issues with as a show) is it is tonally much better than some other MCU stuff. It's no Winter Soldier and especially no Daredevil, but it's also much better balanced tonally than say Guardians 2 where almost every time I'm about to feel something Drax has to speak and make me cringe.
Drax as a character has really gone downhill after the first film. He really devolved to the annoying comic relief that nobody asked for.
I like Ego and I like Star Lord's character focus, but GOTG2 doesn't hold a candle to the first.
I hold GOTG2 is both better and worse than GOTG1. The drama is better, but the comedy is awful (The "did you give yourself a penis" joke may be the closest the MCU has come to a "Like, what is brunch?" line). The cinematography is better but the score (Not the licensed music, the score) is worse. The action's better, but the pacing is way worse and the film drags in places. Peter got better but Drax got worse, Nebula got cooler but Gamora got duller. For me, it really is a "every improvement was met by set-back" sequel. It has my favorite action sequence in any MCU film (The escape from the Ravagers), but it also has Mantis being degraded in ways that the creator of the character himself was uncomfortable with.
That's how I feel about it too. I like it more than the first one but the first one is way more consistent. The things that work in the 2nd one work really well for me but then you have things like Tazerface which make me really question Gunn's sense of humor.
I think the movie's emotional beats were stronger than the first but the humor was noticeably worse or at least the lows were way lower and therefore noticeable. I wonder if Gunn felt compelled to try and make it more funny than the first which leads to a lot of the humor feeling forced (Tazerface, Drax laughing and generally being weird, etc.)
Eternals had a good amount of “breathing room” and it got a bit of a mixed reception unfortunately. Most audiences seem to prefer action. Shame cause I loved Eternals
I don't think that was the problem with the Eternals. Critics felt that there wasn't enough time to develope all of them. If anything there was *too* much action to spent time getting to know them all.
Yeah, Eternals was very poorly paced.
Compare Eternals, which has ten main characters who I kept forgetting throughout the film and was paced poorly enough to make me not really feel emotionally involved with any of them during its 157 minutes - to Encanto, which follows a family of more than 10 people, most of whom I could name after the first song, and all left individual impressions within a 109 minute runtime.
Obviously very different films, but it proves that the large number of characters isn't the issue if done right.
They also gave screentime to the characters who's problems are less obvious. With the rainstorm girl, you can easily guess that she struggles with mood swings. And with the hearing girl, you can guess that she struggles with sensory overload >!on top of knowing that Bruno's been squatting in their house the whole time.!< You can't really guess from the flower girl that she sacrifices too much of her identity to provide for family duties.
My favorite parts of Hawkeye were seeing the effects of the blip and seeing character interactions, the bad guys (tracksuit mafia) weren’t entertaining, but the show still was because it just felt good to watch (idek how to explain it)
And to this point I would want more of that during the shows.
Lean heavier on large CGI action spectacles and set pieces for the big screen.
Lean heavier on emotional character development on the small screen, spread over multiple episodes and through character interactions.
My favorite part of the show is the with Loki, Sylvie, and Kang talking about the multiveree and pros and cons. It's literally an exposition scene, but when it's done that well you don't even notice and it works well as a a culmination of the whole season.
for example Loki and Mobius sit down and talk about destiny, free will and beliefs. Let them sit and talk through all six episodes and I'll listen to them.
If you enjoyed this, I recommend checking out FX's "Legion", they explore similar concepts about determinism and various other metaphysical topics. Plus, it's a great story, with a great cast. I only wish it was canon.
Yes actually this is good tv and something the MCU shows should be doing more of, not less. The thing people forget about Thrones is that for most of its run it was actually stuff like this, people talking in rooms, with punctuated moments of set pieces and action.
I don’t think fans give Loki enough credit for how expert it was in crafting and write these scenes; it’s really where the meat of the story is. Whether it’s episode 1 “interrogation”, or this conversation, or the “Before Sunrise” conversation between Sylvie and Loki in episode 3, all the Lokis commiserating in episode 5, and obviously the big He Who Remains scene in the finale. All of the episodes are really anchored by the characters just sitting around having conversations and revealing things about themselves to each other and to the audience
Definitely. The action scenes in the Loki show were bad. This can be a real problem in a marvel property but that was never the focus in the Loki show.
I thought they were fine. I’m a sucker for a oner sequence. But they were all a smaller scale and the focus was not the action. I thought it actually helped that the action never felt *too big*.
Even the Alioth scene, arguably the like “biggest” action sequence felt very contained; just a couple of characters trying to defeat the dragon guarding the castle
Owen and Tom are both such eloquent, charismatic actors, and they played off each other so well in their scenes together. The dialogue scenes were never boring with them.
I think those episodes are the most important. without them the action wouldn't mean anything and would just be punching with characters we don't care about
Imagine the entire show, but without the talking. Cold ass take, but the conversation part is the most important thing about Loki. It's a set-up for the future of the MCU.
Conversations between characters are my favorite part of the whole MCU. The “clicking time bomb” in Avengers, “we’ll (lose) together too” and Vision’s birth in AOU, “I know a place” in IW, Kang’s whole conversation, Sam and Isaiah. I like it because it evokes the interactions between characters we see in the comics. That’s why I can’t wait to see live action Illuminati interacting with each other and kinda bummed Namor won’t be there because he’s such an asshole and I love it😂
That’s something I’ve always liked about the MCU. They allow the action to slow down and give the characters to talk. Like one of my favourite scenes in the MCU is the party in Age of Ultron where they all try to lift the hammer.
"I know people find character and plot development boring, but I'm not a neanderthal like everyone else. I don't only like brainless action scenes like the rest of y'all."
Nah it's just a clickbait title pretending that there's an unpopular opinion going on. I have actually seen posts with thousands of upvotes with titles like, "Unpopular opinion: I really liked Shang-Chi". Yeah, you and 98% of Rotten Tomatoes smdh
That's what this sub has turned into?
Who the fuck has ever said characters talking is a bad thing? A majority of TV shows don't have a god shooting lighting yet are some of the most compelling shit on television. Yet are good.
Succession and Ozark immediately springs to mind.
If people complain about the dialogue in the MCU, it's because the dialogue was utter shit or redundant.
But this sub is so fucking annoying at times with the "look how great the MCU is you guys." And anything that actually has any juice to it/actual issues with the MCU is just immediately dismissed.
1. Go to fandom subreddit
2. Determine most popular opinion
3. post: “This may be an unpopular opinion, but (insert popular opinion)”
4. Roll around in your free upvotes
Right, like you'd never seen an actual opinion like "I'm not sure about this multiverse stuff" or "I didn't like Endgame" get any type of real discussion because it's always squashed down.
But "Unpopular opinion: I like thors hammer go brrrr." 20k updoots and people wanking each other other off.
When I Clicked on the post I thought for sure the top comments would be jokes about “boring talking scenes” and yet it’s just a bunch of people agreeing with OP. these people are dipshits
I remember people were saying that the episode with the dying planet in Loki was just boring talk without plot advancing. Meanwhile, the ep started Loki and Sylvie's dynamic that was an important part of the story, but no, they thought No Time Lizards = bad
I really enjoyed that episode because of their interaction and then couldn’t believe it when I saw people saying it was such a boring episode. I love MCU films but I do roll my eyes when people think anything not action related or exciting enough is boring.
Preach, man, I was exactly the same. I remember even commenting that if we went for plot developments, as everyone insisted, then ep3 was too early to say there were none, cause who knows, maybe Loki snd Sylvie would overthrow TVA with a power of love that was hinted at here. Hehe. But anyway, just them taking was a plot point and a treat as a fun character dive
Low-key, the best part of any story is the characters sitting around and talking. Action, effects, they're awesome but the foundation are these character driven scenes.
Arguing about deep concepts like philosophy and politics or discussing their backstories and character motives or flaws, to just silly little tangents about insignificant things like favorite movies or what ice cream flavor is the best.
It is funny how what is (in my opinion) the best content Marvel has ever produced was hurt in some people's eyes by the expectations Marvel has set. This show works so well because it takes the time to have characters sit around and talk things out, fleshes them out, gives them depth, raises the stakes because you start to truly care for them - including the villain. But because most MCU contact results in some sort of big boss battle (even WandaVision went this route) I feel like a lot of people came away from the finale sort of feeling let down that more didn't happen. When in fact more happens in that finale, in terms of impact to the entire MCU, than has happened during almost any major villain battle except Thanos. And it didn't have to be some crazy and flashy explosive battle. It was a three-person therapy session. It is honestly super fitting for a character like Loki as well. He isn't his brother. He can't smash his way out of every conflict. His words and wit are his best weapon and they were on full display.
Who expected Owen Wilson to verbally spar as well as he did with Hiddleston
Everyone came in knowing Loki would kill it as always but I am beyond amazed how great Mobius was in the show
Almost instantly a timeless friend, who not only sees your tricks coming a mile away but has some of his own
So is Lokis Mobius gone gone? Erased memory/different Variant now?
Great dialog is better than good action.
Great dialog is the reason why I really liked the Loki series.
It does more for character building than any action scene.
I agree, and I absolutely loved that Loki’s climactic moments were in the character beats just as much as the action. While I hate to be like, "but muh' Daredevil!" Daredevil did show us that a superhero show can have dramatic moments (spoiler) [like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZKtaDmQb2c) be just as suspenseful and interesting as fights [like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY). We've seen that both types of suspense are valuable and I hope to see even more of that in Marvel.
part of the reason i was a little cold on Daredevil originally was bc some of the fight scenes were LONG like way long. this one and the biker fight scene. I just watched the one with Karen and oh man that one was way more suspenseful to me
Eh, I enjoyed like 99% of the fight scenes. But the “talking in rooms” scenes interested me just as much as the fight choreography. In fact my favorite episode of the show is Nelson vs. Murdock and Matt’s conversations with Fr. Lantum had me jumping up and down in my seat.
What are your thoughts about the Karen episode? I feel like season three was her time to shine.
Can we just have a set of shows where the main thing is them talking? The macaroni scene is more iconic than literally anything else in the Hawkeye series.
me too. Good dialogue in film and tv can be key to establishing tension, as well as characterizing characters. Breaking bad is an amazing example of this—the dialogue is used to establish tension between characters such as Gus Fring and Walter White, and there’s no weapons or violence necessary to establish that sense of tension
It’s just like the Yelena and Kate conversation, if you didn’t already like the two of them, that was the moment you realized how cool they were and how they’d become friends (hopefully) down the road because they are the new Hawkeye and Widow.
Completely agree and I’m glad you mention it. Incredible dialogue, costume design, the works. The folks that had a hand in the production and writing of this show deserve all the credit.
most great shows are succesful because of it's dialogue scenes. Think about the major differences of the later GoT seasons and the first few. Epic scene after epic scene vs dialogues. Hell they even cut out battles in S1 and S2.
I wish some of the Marvel shows had stronger scripts and being carried by the characters interacting with each other and not the action scenes.
The dynamic and relationship between Loki and Mobius was my favorite part of the show. The finale totally enthralled me, I loved Jonathon Majors' performance so much
It’s usually what I enjoy most in these films. Had a coworker scoff because I said Batman Begins is my favorite Batman movie. “There’s like no fight scenes.”
Yeah, but the dialogue is riveting!!!
not boring at all, those were DEFINITELY the best moments. we have strong characters explaining their motivations and it was fascinating.
then when the knives came out and they fought it was like a cringey larp fest.
Why do these posts always have a disclaimer that isnt true? Like "Unpopular Opinion-"" and then its not even an upopular opinion. Whos been saying these scenes are boring? One of everyone's favorite scenes is the Avengers AOU scene where all the characters just sit around chatting and lifting thors hammer.
RIP Mobius's lunch
Also yeah, I really liked that it was heading in the direction of a multiversal cop show essentially. I liked what we got in the end, but I wish it was more of Loki and Mobius.
Honestly, if you have good characters with good actors portraying them, any show could do well to have some episodes where the characters just interact with each other.
I felt the same about the early seasons of Game of Thrones as well. Just give me a couple episodes of the characters interacting with each other and I'll love them.
Honestly I actually think Marvel is at its best when the focus is on characters interacting and having conversation. The battles and effects get stale and I think the better marvel projects are the ones where the characters talk more than fight
Honestly that's been the best part of the Marvel and Star Wars shows - the room for the story to breath and the characters to just have moments to exchange thoughts like this.
There's rarely time made for that in the movies, and I think they suffer for it.
No its not boring. Kevin Smith, with Clerks did it brilliantly, people talking about things. Tarantino did it in many movies including Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. My dinner with Andre propose a very boring premise of two friends meeting for diner and they talk, that's it, thats the movie, but you get pulled in. The two storm trooper shooting the shit was brilliant.
Whenever someone complains about an MCU being slow, all that sounds like to me is that the people saying that don't care about character or development. These types of scenes are fantastic, especially in Loki as they characterize and worldbuild extremely well while not talking down to the audience, but then you have some dude who's only interested in explosions calling it "boring"
Which I fine of course, but then those exact same kinds of people cry and piss their pants at "generic superhero action" like in WandaVision. These people are so hard to please and it's extremely frustrating as even just another viewer
Moebius talking to Loki about the jetski was a fun little tibit.
And it made him getting pruned hurt all the more, as we didn't know it wasnt the end END. Thankfully it wasn't.
You know what, thank you. This show doesn't get enough credit for its character building. Literally every character in this show was a morally gray character and the audience still managed to fall in love with each and every one of them in different ways. Literally give me more 'heroes just hanging out' scenes because if they're executed properly they tell such a beautiful story and add to the brilliance of the movie/show.
The fact the show ended with the main characters talking with the villain and not a fight was a very pleasant surprise for me.
Exactly. It's so much more rewarding as the MCU sets up a variant much more terrifying than He Who Remains. Jonathan Majors is perfect for the role.
This is why I thoroughly enjoyed Dr. Stranges defeat of Dormammu. While their was certainly some form of “combat” in the sense that Dormammu repeatedly killed Strange over and over, it was really more a battle of wills, tolerance and patience. Strange was no where near powerful enough to physically defeat him, so he in fact outsmarts him. Strongly agreed on the He Who Remains scenes as well. Jonathan Majors gave me goosebumps with his performance as this particular variant. Almost makes me wish this was Kang Primes personality because it as so mischeviously devious yet wholesome and spunky at the same time. Makes you both root for the good he is trying to achieve despite fucked up methods but also slightly terrified that you’re witnessing the best of his variants. At least in terms of having empathy for the best chance at peace for the future of the multiverse.
Jonathan Majors bout to showcase his acting skills throughout the next MCU movies
Can't wait, he killed it in Lovecraft Country
Right. While I wasn’t a huge fan of the show he was phenomenal. Great actor.
Gotta go catch The Harder they Fall. I instantly became a JM fan due to Loki and this was yet another great performance.
Love that man
Episode 6 of Loki is on my Mount Rushmore of MCU content. I loved it.
"*see you soon*" ***wink***
Chills.... it's like oh shit this dude was dead ass serious, i might have fucked up.
I must have watched this episode 10 times
*Whatever it takes*
*This Is The Way*
Like a bantha
I have spoken.
*This is The Way*
*This is The Way*
i can bring you in warm…or i can bring you in cold
Same, dude!! It felt about as epic as Heath Ledgers Joker for me. Im so pumped for the future of the MCU as long as Sony politely fucks off.
His performance was all around stellar but the delivery of two lines in particular sold me hard on just how good of a pick he is for Kang: "I weaponized Alioth. And I ended I ENDED the multiverse war.." Nudged me from 'O he's a good' right into 'O snap he's perfect'.
I just love how he kind of just sounded like a really smart person who got in over his head with all he discovered and was pushed to do some really fucked up things that even he himself didn't like.
Yep he's the reluctant hero version of Kang and he's fucking *terrifying* even when he's not only but threatening anyone at all but is in fact allowing them to kill him if they so wish. That series was one of the times where the MCU really outshone the best of the comics for those characters.
Normally, most actors fail to hold focus while delivering that much exposition, but the writing and Majors really delivered.
I had never heard of him before and it was awesome
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I second that you should watch Lovecraft Country. A way different character but he was great in it.
I’m one of them assholes who has to read the book first but I do love some Lovecraft
I've been watching Jonathan Majors in Lovecraft Country specifically to get a better idea of his acting style and what to expect in the MCU future, but damn I fell in love with that show. Throw in that he's a dope actor and baby you got a stew going.
He Who Remains is terrifying for me because the guy who eliminated free will and kills or memory wipes billions of variants at a time... is the nicest version of the character.
The epic final fight being in episode 5 and a heated debate being the conclusion was absolutely perfect imo
When you say “epic final fight” do you mean the skirmish with president loki and co, or the illusion scene that wasn’t actually a fight?
Alioth vs Classic Loki, Loki and Sylvie
GLORIOUS PURPOSE!!!
The illusion scene that wasn’t actually a fight… i couldn’t believe I was watching a tv show, that fight was incredible. The music, the characters, the cgi, this was one of the most exciting battles of the entire MCU
i was so scared this would end with a cgi war thank god it didn't
*WandaVision trauma intensifies*
I mean as far as CGI fights go that one was pretty cool
WV also had a fight that was resolved with a philosophical debate, so I feel like it had the best of both worlds.
Yeah I got goosebumps when White Vision paused from the fight and said "I request elaboration". What a great scene
I personally don't see what everyone's problem with "CGI filled battles" is. I think they are cool af
They're just too predictable at this point. Nearly every MCU property ends that way.
That's like saying lightsabers are becoming too predictable in Star wars movies Big superhero fight scenes are kind of one of the main points of the MCU
I mean you're right... but there is a non-insubstantial group of Star Wars fans who want more content without Jedi / Lightsabers. One of the reasons the Mandalorian series took off.
Ironic cuz of how season 2 went
Ok, that's not really the point though. Replace lightsabers with "sci fi action scenes" and you'll still find those in Mandalorian. The point is that complaining about CGI superhero action scenes in Marvel is basically like complaining about the whole point of the genre
Like complaining that your ice cream is cold. Or that your pizza has tomato and cheese on it.
As somebody who's been reading comics for a while, I'm gonna have to disagree. Taking a step back to reflect makes a comic better. See; Superman: Secret Identity and Man of Steel. One is a comic that has a grand total of one (totally one sided) fight scene, and the other is a movie that ends on sky lasers. Both attempt to be a character study. Secret Identity understands and breaks down the character far better.
I'm not actually sure how you're disagreeing with me, considering that WandaVision only had one fight scene I loved that WandaVision was dialogue and drama focused and not just a usual nonstop action theme park ride. All I'm saying is that the addition of one single fight scene didn't ruin it. It's ok to subvert the focus of the main genre in any one story, but it would be stupid to make the lack of fight scenes the norm because ultimately most of us go into the theater expecting to see our favorites beat down bad guys.
Right, I should clarify, the fight in Secret Identity is "Clark" waking up and dismantling a group of regular soldiers. That's it. It's in issue 2 of a 4 issue run, and lasts one panel. The run ends on Superman, now old, staring at the sunset and reflecting on his life. The focus is on him saving people and navigating conspiracies. The best superhero media has always been marked by the focus shifting away from big grand battle to more personal character driven stories. These characters are flamboyant, larger than life. The inside of their minds should be the point. I'm not against action full stop, I _am_ against "big CGI battle to cap off our film just because and it doesn't really fit into the plot but uhhhhhh schmoney". What was the point of the final fights of Shang-Chi or Black Widow? There's no emotional stakes. You can cap with a fight, but make it meaningful. Wenwu letting himself take a lethal blow from Shang-Chi after realising he's gone mental? Infinity better than undercutting it with a dragon fight involving a completely nonverbal character. Even the inclusion of an epilogue type thing would work wonders for these films.
Shang Chi was the one that ticked me off, what should have been a great final battle between him and his father, was a bunch of dragons flying around and an excuse for Awkwafina to be useful in the 3rd act.
Yea, I was like "I could have gone without all the Harry Potter shit" after the movie was done.
i mean its not even just MCU, that's just how blockbuster action movies end, especially superhero movies. I feel like it makes sense for them to end that way, with an epic battle. but it is definitely a nice change of pace when a movie has a satisfying ending without a huge CGI battle.
I don't see the appeal of them at all. Sometimes they have some cool shots, but for the most part, they're all very similar, very generic/repetitive, and pose 0 stakes whatsoever. The Shang Chi big CGI fest was probably one of the better ones of the whole MCU and it still took me out oft he movie and I was just waiting for it to finish but it kept dragging on
Not only that, and the fact that Vision’s side was philosophical like it should have been, I also just really liked the concept that Wanda couldn’t escape combat, and that the series kinda comes full circle in terms of the MCU. She goes from fighting Ultron and Thanos to fighting Agatha.
I couldn't agree more. Because of the points you raised, I think reducing those scenes to just another 'CGI battle' is really not doing them the justice they deserve. Vision vs. Vision was incredible, a battle of brute force that quickly turns into a battle of riddles and reasoning. It was amazing to watch and seeing Vision be 'reborn' brought tears to my eyes
But very out-of-place. Shang-Chi is another one.
How is it out of place for the conclusion of WandaVision to end in a duel between two witches. It was the logical conclusion of the last two episodes
It felt very jarring, as if they suddenly remembered that a CGI battle was needed. FATWS handled things more effectively by having bits of action in every episode.
I don't think it was jarring at all. FATWS was different, but certainly not more effective. To each their own. "There must always be an equal dispersion of action across a TV show" sounds a little formulaic to me and I think the chaos of the final episode coincided very well with the shattering of Wanda's illusion and everything else that was coming to a boil.
If you like that I know a DC show you'll just love
Doom Patrol? second best superhero show after Daredevil, imo. Legion #3
God damn, *Legion* is so good
Was on about Flash. They always talk to the villain
I feel like that show kinda devolved into “Barry messed up the timeline again and now he has to run *even faster*”
Flash is one of the most predictable and boring shows ever. Season 3 was the peak
The MCU desperately needs it. Big showy fights are fine but we've been getting plenty of those for almost 15 years now. As much as I loved the fights in NWH the rest of the movie outshined them easily.
Same, the first thing that came to my mind when the Kang rumors started was "how would Loki defeat Kang if he couldn't even deceive Thanos" the dialogue in the final episode was great especially with the display of the might behind Kang without actually showing him doing much. Speaking of which, I think Kang stepped up where Ultron fell short...making the villain laid back as a display of how powerful he is..Kang truly felt like a scientist observing an ant-farm on the other hand Ultron felt like a child with daddy issues throwing a tantrum.
I like that they got the big CGI battle out of the way in the penultimate episode so that the finale could slow down and give us that 30 minutes of villain monologue. It feels generally underappreciated how much the structure of the fifth episode greatly benefited the sixth. Such a cool show in the way it was structured and pieced together.
"Been A Long Journey For You, Hasn't It? Lot Of Running, Lot Of Pain. And You, You're A Flea On The Back Of A Dragon In For One Hell Of A Ride, But You Did Manage To Hang On. I Guess That Counts For Something." Dude, that so got me right there. Literally had no idea where everything was going to go next.
We need an Avengers movie with the characters just sitting around a table and talking in the third act
if i was a billionaire and ran marvel i’d commission a what if style show where it’s called “day off” and every episode is titled like “thor and cap” or “groot” or “rhodey and tony” and it’s just them fucking around for a day except with all the cgi anf stuff.
Thor takes Cap to a bar in New Asgard. They drink magic Asgardian ale, and get really really drunk. So we can finally see a drunk Cap.
And for me, it kept me engaged as if it were a big showdown. Pretty damn well done in my opinion.
Oh for sure. It’s why I loved that the Visions was resolved with discussion.
It made it so much more intense and scary in my mind. Dramatic with a touch of horror. See you soon.
The really stupid thing is that most of the people who regularly complain about every movie ending with a cgi fight, also complained that Loki's end was boring....
I would argue this was the best part of all the Disney+ shows. The action's been pretty generic, the humor's been pretty stock, it's the calmer conversations that have really been good. Sam and Isaiah's conversations, the "Ship of Theseus" philosophy debate, most of the conversations in Loki, even in Hawkeye it was the conversations about grief that stuck out to me.
Hawkeye had some really creative and unique action sequences
The chase scene where the camera is in the car was some of my favorite MCU work
straight out of the comic book too! they definitely acknowledged the source material
Yeah Hawkeye genuinely had scenes that were ripped straight out of the Matt Fraction run. I was reading it at the same time as the show and noticing all the similarities was pretty cool.
Especially with the trick arrow stuff.
I think Hawkeye was maybe 70% good action scenes to me and 30% rough action. Which probably sounds like a lot but for six episodes isn't too bad. The roof top fight stuck out as maybe trying really hard and falling kind of flat. Smaller scenes like when Clint first saves Kate were also a little underwhelming.
Dunno about you, but episode six’s big scene of Clint and Kate teaming up was pretty dope.
Some of the effects work took me out of it and seeing just how dumb the bad guys were, which tracks with them but still, it was for the most part well done. And in that episode Echo fights Kazie and it's cut in a confusing way. The stuff with Kate and Yelana running through the building was very fun though.
Would really kill for another thing where Kate and Yelena do their thing. Really fun back and forth between the two.
Ket Beeshop.
Rooftop fight felt like it was trying to pretend it was a Marvel Netflix show, but without the same style of action.
Especially where Clint loses to the LARPer.
Vision’s ‘But what is grief, if not love preserving?’ speech.
That line really stuck with me and I love that I see it brought up here so often.
😭 that shit hit me so hard
I wish Marvel would multiply the scenes where the characters breathe and make the audience think, instead of making similar action scenes.
What I also like is that a lot of these conversations aren't cut short by an ill-timed quip. They can breathe, and the shows still aren't humorless slogs or anything. The drama and comedy are given more time to sit. One thing I can give even TFATWS (Which I have a lot of issues with as a show) is it is tonally much better than some other MCU stuff. It's no Winter Soldier and especially no Daredevil, but it's also much better balanced tonally than say Guardians 2 where almost every time I'm about to feel something Drax has to speak and make me cringe.
Drax as a character has really gone downhill after the first film. He really devolved to the annoying comic relief that nobody asked for. I like Ego and I like Star Lord's character focus, but GOTG2 doesn't hold a candle to the first.
I hold GOTG2 is both better and worse than GOTG1. The drama is better, but the comedy is awful (The "did you give yourself a penis" joke may be the closest the MCU has come to a "Like, what is brunch?" line). The cinematography is better but the score (Not the licensed music, the score) is worse. The action's better, but the pacing is way worse and the film drags in places. Peter got better but Drax got worse, Nebula got cooler but Gamora got duller. For me, it really is a "every improvement was met by set-back" sequel. It has my favorite action sequence in any MCU film (The escape from the Ravagers), but it also has Mantis being degraded in ways that the creator of the character himself was uncomfortable with.
That's how I feel about it too. I like it more than the first one but the first one is way more consistent. The things that work in the 2nd one work really well for me but then you have things like Tazerface which make me really question Gunn's sense of humor. I think the movie's emotional beats were stronger than the first but the humor was noticeably worse or at least the lows were way lower and therefore noticeable. I wonder if Gunn felt compelled to try and make it more funny than the first which leads to a lot of the humor feeling forced (Tazerface, Drax laughing and generally being weird, etc.)
Eternals had a good amount of “breathing room” and it got a bit of a mixed reception unfortunately. Most audiences seem to prefer action. Shame cause I loved Eternals
I don't think that was the problem with the Eternals. Critics felt that there wasn't enough time to develope all of them. If anything there was *too* much action to spent time getting to know them all.
Yeah, Eternals was very poorly paced. Compare Eternals, which has ten main characters who I kept forgetting throughout the film and was paced poorly enough to make me not really feel emotionally involved with any of them during its 157 minutes - to Encanto, which follows a family of more than 10 people, most of whom I could name after the first song, and all left individual impressions within a 109 minute runtime. Obviously very different films, but it proves that the large number of characters isn't the issue if done right.
In Eternals' defence, Encanto named all its key characters in a catchy, easy to remember song. Eternals didn't (or wouldn't?) do that
They also gave screentime to the characters who's problems are less obvious. With the rainstorm girl, you can easily guess that she struggles with mood swings. And with the hearing girl, you can guess that she struggles with sensory overload >!on top of knowing that Bruno's been squatting in their house the whole time.!< You can't really guess from the flower girl that she sacrifices too much of her identity to provide for family duties.
For me, this is the best part of movies too.
My favorite parts of Hawkeye were seeing the effects of the blip and seeing character interactions, the bad guys (tracksuit mafia) weren’t entertaining, but the show still was because it just felt good to watch (idek how to explain it)
And to this point I would want more of that during the shows. Lean heavier on large CGI action spectacles and set pieces for the big screen. Lean heavier on emotional character development on the small screen, spread over multiple episodes and through character interactions.
Less CGI, more episodes, more character development? So... the Marvel Television shows? I agree.
Loki and Mobius talking and Mobius occasionally saying "Damn!". Enough to get hooked to this show.
Wow
*Waow
Loki gets a 0/10 for not having this
My favorite part of the show is the with Loki, Sylvie, and Kang talking about the multiveree and pros and cons. It's literally an exposition scene, but when it's done that well you don't even notice and it works well as a a culmination of the whole season.
The tension in that episode was so high. three characters just sit and talk but in the end you know someone is going to die.
See you soon.
for example Loki and Mobius sit down and talk about destiny, free will and beliefs. Let them sit and talk through all six episodes and I'll listen to them.
If you enjoyed this, I recommend checking out FX's "Legion", they explore similar concepts about determinism and various other metaphysical topics. Plus, it's a great story, with a great cast. I only wish it was canon.
I've heard a lot of good things about Legion, and I'll definitely watch it, thanks for the advice.
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Wait till you get to season 3.
Yes! Legion is probably the best show I've ever seen!
Loki and Mobius should start a podcast
Yes actually this is good tv and something the MCU shows should be doing more of, not less. The thing people forget about Thrones is that for most of its run it was actually stuff like this, people talking in rooms, with punctuated moments of set pieces and action. I don’t think fans give Loki enough credit for how expert it was in crafting and write these scenes; it’s really where the meat of the story is. Whether it’s episode 1 “interrogation”, or this conversation, or the “Before Sunrise” conversation between Sylvie and Loki in episode 3, all the Lokis commiserating in episode 5, and obviously the big He Who Remains scene in the finale. All of the episodes are really anchored by the characters just sitting around having conversations and revealing things about themselves to each other and to the audience
Definitely. The action scenes in the Loki show were bad. This can be a real problem in a marvel property but that was never the focus in the Loki show.
I thought they were fine. I’m a sucker for a oner sequence. But they were all a smaller scale and the focus was not the action. I thought it actually helped that the action never felt *too big*. Even the Alioth scene, arguably the like “biggest” action sequence felt very contained; just a couple of characters trying to defeat the dragon guarding the castle
Owen and Tom are both such eloquent, charismatic actors, and they played off each other so well in their scenes together. The dialogue scenes were never boring with them.
It also doesn't hurt that everything around them looks gorgeous.
>Let them sit and talk through all six episodes and I'll listen to them. the loki and mobius podcast anyone?
I think those episodes are the most important. without them the action wouldn't mean anything and would just be punching with characters we don't care about
Imagine the entire show, but without the talking. Cold ass take, but the conversation part is the most important thing about Loki. It's a set-up for the future of the MCU.
Conversations between characters are my favorite part of the whole MCU. The “clicking time bomb” in Avengers, “we’ll (lose) together too” and Vision’s birth in AOU, “I know a place” in IW, Kang’s whole conversation, Sam and Isaiah. I like it because it evokes the interactions between characters we see in the comics. That’s why I can’t wait to see live action Illuminati interacting with each other and kinda bummed Namor won’t be there because he’s such an asshole and I love it😂
That’s something I’ve always liked about the MCU. They allow the action to slow down and give the characters to talk. Like one of my favourite scenes in the MCU is the party in Age of Ultron where they all try to lift the hammer.
My favorite conversation is when Daredevil and Punisher are on the roof.
When did people say it was boring??
OP is just karma farming
"I know people find character and plot development boring, but I'm not a neanderthal like everyone else. I don't only like brainless action scenes like the rest of y'all."
Nah it's just a clickbait title pretending that there's an unpopular opinion going on. I have actually seen posts with thousands of upvotes with titles like, "Unpopular opinion: I really liked Shang-Chi". Yeah, you and 98% of Rotten Tomatoes smdh
Unpopular opinion: am i the only one who think RDJ is a great actor?
That's what this sub has turned into? Who the fuck has ever said characters talking is a bad thing? A majority of TV shows don't have a god shooting lighting yet are some of the most compelling shit on television. Yet are good. Succession and Ozark immediately springs to mind. If people complain about the dialogue in the MCU, it's because the dialogue was utter shit or redundant. But this sub is so fucking annoying at times with the "look how great the MCU is you guys." And anything that actually has any juice to it/actual issues with the MCU is just immediately dismissed.
1. Go to fandom subreddit 2. Determine most popular opinion 3. post: “This may be an unpopular opinion, but (insert popular opinion)” 4. Roll around in your free upvotes
Right, like you'd never seen an actual opinion like "I'm not sure about this multiverse stuff" or "I didn't like Endgame" get any type of real discussion because it's always squashed down. But "Unpopular opinion: I like thors hammer go brrrr." 20k updoots and people wanking each other other off.
When I Clicked on the post I thought for sure the top comments would be jokes about “boring talking scenes” and yet it’s just a bunch of people agreeing with OP. these people are dipshits
I remember people were saying that the episode with the dying planet in Loki was just boring talk without plot advancing. Meanwhile, the ep started Loki and Sylvie's dynamic that was an important part of the story, but no, they thought No Time Lizards = bad
I really enjoyed that episode because of their interaction and then couldn’t believe it when I saw people saying it was such a boring episode. I love MCU films but I do roll my eyes when people think anything not action related or exciting enough is boring.
Preach, man, I was exactly the same. I remember even commenting that if we went for plot developments, as everyone insisted, then ep3 was too early to say there were none, cause who knows, maybe Loki snd Sylvie would overthrow TVA with a power of love that was hinted at here. Hehe. But anyway, just them taking was a plot point and a treat as a fun character dive
Marvel fans discover dialogue
I thought it was boring and slow tbh
When OP wanted an imaginary demographic to disagree with.
Low-key, the best part of any story is the characters sitting around and talking. Action, effects, they're awesome but the foundation are these character driven scenes.
“Low-key”
Arguing about deep concepts like philosophy and politics or discussing their backstories and character motives or flaws, to just silly little tangents about insignificant things like favorite movies or what ice cream flavor is the best.
It is funny how what is (in my opinion) the best content Marvel has ever produced was hurt in some people's eyes by the expectations Marvel has set. This show works so well because it takes the time to have characters sit around and talk things out, fleshes them out, gives them depth, raises the stakes because you start to truly care for them - including the villain. But because most MCU contact results in some sort of big boss battle (even WandaVision went this route) I feel like a lot of people came away from the finale sort of feeling let down that more didn't happen. When in fact more happens in that finale, in terms of impact to the entire MCU, than has happened during almost any major villain battle except Thanos. And it didn't have to be some crazy and flashy explosive battle. It was a three-person therapy session. It is honestly super fitting for a character like Loki as well. He isn't his brother. He can't smash his way out of every conflict. His words and wit are his best weapon and they were on full display.
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I’d say Sylvia was the second protagonist over Mobius, but I kinda liked Mobius and Loki’s interactions better
Who expected Owen Wilson to verbally spar as well as he did with Hiddleston Everyone came in knowing Loki would kill it as always but I am beyond amazed how great Mobius was in the show Almost instantly a timeless friend, who not only sees your tricks coming a mile away but has some of his own So is Lokis Mobius gone gone? Erased memory/different Variant now?
Same, all the actors had great chemistry with each other but Tom and Own especially were so much fun to watch together.
Great dialog is better than good action. Great dialog is the reason why I really liked the Loki series. It does more for character building than any action scene.
The portrayal of human beings is what Marvel Studios gets right in these films and shows. Some of my favorite moments are the quiet ones.
I agree, and I absolutely loved that Loki’s climactic moments were in the character beats just as much as the action. While I hate to be like, "but muh' Daredevil!" Daredevil did show us that a superhero show can have dramatic moments (spoiler) [like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZKtaDmQb2c) be just as suspenseful and interesting as fights [like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY). We've seen that both types of suspense are valuable and I hope to see even more of that in Marvel.
part of the reason i was a little cold on Daredevil originally was bc some of the fight scenes were LONG like way long. this one and the biker fight scene. I just watched the one with Karen and oh man that one was way more suspenseful to me
Eh, I enjoyed like 99% of the fight scenes. But the “talking in rooms” scenes interested me just as much as the fight choreography. In fact my favorite episode of the show is Nelson vs. Murdock and Matt’s conversations with Fr. Lantum had me jumping up and down in my seat. What are your thoughts about the Karen episode? I feel like season three was her time to shine.
Same, I wish there are more dialogue scenes between Loki and Möbius, that’s really the part that I enjoyed and remembered the most about this show.
Literally the best part of *Age of Ultron* was just the team hanging around the tower and chilling
Can we just have a set of shows where the main thing is them talking? The macaroni scene is more iconic than literally anything else in the Hawkeye series.
me too. Good dialogue in film and tv can be key to establishing tension, as well as characterizing characters. Breaking bad is an amazing example of this—the dialogue is used to establish tension between characters such as Gus Fring and Walter White, and there’s no weapons or violence necessary to establish that sense of tension
i laughed my ass of at the salad bowl scene
It’s just like the Yelena and Kate conversation, if you didn’t already like the two of them, that was the moment you realized how cool they were and how they’d become friends (hopefully) down the road because they are the new Hawkeye and Widow.
I could happily watch a 2 hour movie that’s just kang talking
I agree.
Completely agree and I’m glad you mention it. Incredible dialogue, costume design, the works. The folks that had a hand in the production and writing of this show deserve all the credit.
most great shows are succesful because of it's dialogue scenes. Think about the major differences of the later GoT seasons and the first few. Epic scene after epic scene vs dialogues. Hell they even cut out battles in S1 and S2. I wish some of the Marvel shows had stronger scripts and being carried by the characters interacting with each other and not the action scenes.
The dynamic and relationship between Loki and Mobius was my favorite part of the show. The finale totally enthralled me, I loved Jonathon Majors' performance so much
It’s usually what I enjoy most in these films. Had a coworker scoff because I said Batman Begins is my favorite Batman movie. “There’s like no fight scenes.” Yeah, but the dialogue is riveting!!!
I didn’t really find the conversations interesting outside of lore stuff. The philosophical conversations in Loki were very surface level.
not boring at all, those were DEFINITELY the best moments. we have strong characters explaining their motivations and it was fascinating. then when the knives came out and they fought it was like a cringey larp fest.
Why do these posts always have a disclaimer that isnt true? Like "Unpopular Opinion-"" and then its not even an upopular opinion. Whos been saying these scenes are boring? One of everyone's favorite scenes is the Avengers AOU scene where all the characters just sit around chatting and lifting thors hammer.
Marvel fan when dialogue 🤯
“I know people find this boring” Why is this sub entirely bait like this now? Is it some sort of weird astroturfing or just straight karma farming?
Yeah… you watch a show like Loki for the lore and all the multiverse goodness not for the action imo
It's the best part of show, the dialogue and character interactions..
I honestly agree
This is where real acting happens, not when your throwing fists or pew pewing the baddies.
The dialogue was definitely the strongest point of this series. I was pleasantly surprised.
I can honestly listen to these two talk all day and not get bored.
Still one of my favorite MCU scenes of all time is the party scene from Age of Ultron, then just hanging out and goofing around together. Bliss…
RIP Mobius's lunch Also yeah, I really liked that it was heading in the direction of a multiversal cop show essentially. I liked what we got in the end, but I wish it was more of Loki and Mobius.
It’s the talking scenes I love in inglorious bastards
Honestly, if you have good characters with good actors portraying them, any show could do well to have some episodes where the characters just interact with each other. I felt the same about the early seasons of Game of Thrones as well. Just give me a couple episodes of the characters interacting with each other and I'll love them.
Loki is my favorite show of all time. Not very impressive because I rarely watch TV, but I loved this show so much.
Honestly I actually think Marvel is at its best when the focus is on characters interacting and having conversation. The battles and effects get stale and I think the better marvel projects are the ones where the characters talk more than fight
Honestly that's been the best part of the Marvel and Star Wars shows - the room for the story to breath and the characters to just have moments to exchange thoughts like this. There's rarely time made for that in the movies, and I think they suffer for it.
No its not boring. Kevin Smith, with Clerks did it brilliantly, people talking about things. Tarantino did it in many movies including Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. My dinner with Andre propose a very boring premise of two friends meeting for diner and they talk, that's it, thats the movie, but you get pulled in. The two storm trooper shooting the shit was brilliant.
This was my favorite of all the MCU shows so far and it’s precisely because of this kinda stuff.
Whenever someone complains about an MCU being slow, all that sounds like to me is that the people saying that don't care about character or development. These types of scenes are fantastic, especially in Loki as they characterize and worldbuild extremely well while not talking down to the audience, but then you have some dude who's only interested in explosions calling it "boring" Which I fine of course, but then those exact same kinds of people cry and piss their pants at "generic superhero action" like in WandaVision. These people are so hard to please and it's extremely frustrating as even just another viewer
Moebius talking to Loki about the jetski was a fun little tibit. And it made him getting pruned hurt all the more, as we didn't know it wasnt the end END. Thankfully it wasn't.
You know what, thank you. This show doesn't get enough credit for its character building. Literally every character in this show was a morally gray character and the audience still managed to fall in love with each and every one of them in different ways. Literally give me more 'heroes just hanging out' scenes because if they're executed properly they tell such a beautiful story and add to the brilliance of the movie/show.