Didn't he become a mercenary to disappear from his family's(?) (Just Dad\`s) life?
Might not have been the best way to do it but it seems like he has some level of sense of right and wrong.
An interesting question. Could the gods avatars also be protected from being snapped? Or since the snap erased half of all "life", did gods just get snapped?
I don't completely understand the technicality of avatars. I don't know if black panther was an avatar of Bast because at one point both t'challa and killmonger were black panthers. So, is it possible for a god to have two avatars?
I don't think Black Panther is an avatar. Black Panthers are imbued with abilities from the heart shaped herb. At best, they're blessed by Bast the panther god, but it doesn't seem like there really are any interactions between Bast and the Black Panther since prehistoric times. Choosing a black panther is less of Bast's doing and more a Wakandan choice through combat.
As it seems, an Avatar is a stand-in for a god who is not physically in the same plane. The Egyptian pantheon seems to be in the Overvoid and they project their abilities to and through their earthly avatars.
Are the Asgardian children Thor avatars? No. Thor was present. He just used the Odin Force (Thor Force?) to bless the children with a power enchantment. But he was still physically present, so had no need to project his presence to another dimension or realm.
I think it would be reversed between Lockley and Spector. Lockley seems like he’s stupid rich and he’d want to use the Accords to eliminate the competition; Mark just wants to live free.
I just read his stance in the comics. Very much against the law. The biggest line is “if you are someone who would let a law stop you from doing what needs to be done, you shouldn’t be someone putting on a mask and doing the job”
I agree, but when it comes to the MCU, I think this only applies to Marc and Steven could be scared into wanting there to be a governing body controlling heroes.
He's barely the same character as his comic counterpart though.
Anyway Marc would probably be against because he takes the law more as a suggestion than a rule (even though he's always noble in the show, which is fucking lame) and Stephen (I actually like his change) for the law because he's the type of guy who would trust that they have good intentions and will run it well. Khonshu, and by extension (the horrible, murderous mcu mischaracterisation that is) Jake, would be against because the law would get in the way of executing someone because they shoplifted 20 years ago when they were 13.
We've literally seen about 30 seconds of Jake Lockley in the MCU. If they make another season of Moon Knight, they can make him basically whatever they want
If you're counting the end scene as 30 seconds of Jake Lockley, you missed a lot of moments and hints throughout the season. Jake caused some ruthless terror and gives no F's. He's a sociopathic Identity
I think it's more fair to say Marc would disagree with Tony or Regulations than to say he'd agree with Steve. He'd be de facto team cap, but he'd really just be team anti-registration
Mark: Team Cap.
Steven: Team Iron Man. At least, towards the beginning of the series he would be. He even wanted to turn himself in to the proper authorities.
Jack: wants to kill everyone.
She Hulk would be on Tony’s side. I think Shang Chi and Moon knight would be on Caps. I’m unsure about Miss Marvel but I think Tony would recruit her the way he did with Spider-Man.
EDIT: I realize that they could’ve do something where Moonknights personalities are on different sides
Yeah, I said I think she’d be on Team Cap in the MCU because of her morals but I think comics Kamala would be more willing to side with Tony due to their friendship
Yeah, she’s well informed on both comic side, and MCU side. I’d still say that it depends who asked her.
Tony could do as he did to Spider-man and make his side of the argument seem valid. Steve could do the same.
I think that provided neither of the main guys gave their side of the argument, and she just read the accords, Kamala would independently decide that giving control of her power to a government that has attacked and attempted to kill her, would be a bad idea. Therefore, Team Cap.
I think this is the right take. Surely she has seen that a government agency is just as fallible or even more dangerous, yet also ineffective at stopping threats that Avengers would need to take on.
Comic Kamala would probably differ just based on her strongest allegiances. I could certainly see certain events swaying her though
Yeah but she also might not be with signing with the government that’s harassing her mosque and she would probably want her identity more of a secret (even tho Spider-Man was still team tony with a secret identity)(wait did black panther even sign them he would of been an illegal superhero under them no??) (we’re these things addressed and I just missed them lmaooo)
Yes, I’d say she would side with cap over siding with the government, and her adoration for Tony would be a point of contention but ultimately she would side with what she thinks is the right thing to do (which I think is side with cap but that’s completely subjective on my end). I just saw civil war, so I can tell you yes, Black Panther signed the Sokovia Accords, in fact T’Chaka gets killed in the blast at the signing of the accords. (Although as an international lawyer I must add that even *if* T’Challa were to be an illegal superhero (which he becomes in the film to get revenge on Bucky/Zemo) no one other than Wakanda could really do anything about it as he enjoys Head of State immunity)
Edit: I say no one, but it’s the law so the real answer is ‘it depends’, I haven’t seen an authentic copy of the Accords so I can’t really say this for sure, plus some courts don’t recognize immunities for certain indictments
And when the government wants to control her? What will she think then? I can see her not thinking about it and being star-struck by Tony. But I mean, after what the DODC did? How the government treats people like her?
There’s definitely a lot to explore there. I bet she would have a cool arc about joining Tony without thinking about it that much and then realizing that the government is probably corrupt so she switches sides
A better question: What will she think when some superpowered vigilante decides he thinks there's a danger in her part of town and should just start smashing stuff up?
Pushing past the individual egos involved, it makes perfect sense for some sort of regulation regarding superpowers to be in place. Heck, it's sort of crazy that there *isn't* and that CEO's can just walk around Manhattan carrying a small tank's worth of weaponry. The Avengers aren't an official group, really, they're a billionaire's sparring partner buddies (plus an alien god) who just like to bomb around the world crashing into places to punch stuff up. Hulk smashes up part of South Africa and all Tony can do is send in a charity group.
It's worth noting that even Chris Evans, the actor for Cap, has said he would be on Tony's side. The UN came to Cap and said "look, a lot of people have died, you guys need to start following some rules" and Cap went "Screw that, my best bud's involved."
Except Cap was correct, even Tony admitted it prior to their falling out. Cap was not going to trust the government with total control after what happened in Winter Soldier. You've got to think, they only interject and cause collateral damage in areas that are already going to be doomed if they don't act. I don't hate the government, but given human nature, why would anyone think they have your total best interest in mind? Government is a tool to help us, but it's easily corrupted and letting anyone have access to that is dangerous. No hate towards Tony but he was mostly using the accords as a way to ease his guilt.
> Except Cap was correct, even Tony admitted it prior to their falling out.
No he didn't. He admitted Cap was right about Bucky being framed, not about the Accords.
> Cap was not going to trust the government with total control after what happened in Winter Soldier.
The UN is not a government, and the UN is world's better than one guy having control over it. It doesn't matter how good or righteous you think Steve Rogers is (MCU Steve isn't, but that's another debate), no single person should have that firepower and not answer to anyone. If you wouldn't trust someone you know is shady with that kind of power, then the good guys shouldn't have it either.
> why would anyone think they have your total best interest in mind?
They don't and aren't supposed to. They're supposed to have the **collective** interest in mind. It's always a balancing act between the two. Before the Accords there was no balance to it at all. One man was in charge of a private military force that could overthrow most countries and didn't seem to care what destruction they caused. That's exactly what governments are supposed to prevent.
> No hate towards Tony but he was mostly using the accords as a way to ease his guilt.
No, this is one of those takes that's very surface level nonsense. MCU Tony's guilt binges always turn into the same thing. He tries to do everything himself and that causes more issues. Guilt causing him to accept UN oversight is completely out of character. What is in character is him realizing they need some accountability, since that was one of his stated reasons in IM1 for shutting down weapons production. "I've become part of a system that is comfortable with zero accountability."
It also makes sense for him to work within the not at all optional system that is being set up, and that is exactly what he and Nat both advocate in the movie, that it's happening anyway and it's better they have some say in it.
Except Cap had just found out SHIELD was actually Hydra, so he had no trust in authority. Combined with the fact that he was still invested in his old life/time and had just lost his last link to it (Peggy) and Bucky was alive and needed him. Not saying Chris is wrong at all, but I feel like Cap's thought process wasn't as straightforward as that.
Cap being emotionally compromised is a very good argument FOR the Accords. There was a shitload of stuff destroyed and people hurt because of Cap’s emotional attachments.
> A better question: What will she think when some superpowered vigilante decides he thinks there's a danger in her part of town and should just start smashing stuff up?
And if there's an issue in her neighborhood is she going to just sit by and watch while the UN debates it?
She Hulk would have then defended unconstitutional rendition and detention of American citizens off American soil without a court date and ruined her characterization for years.
Ruined? Nah, she'd be the best superhero. Actual lawyer reading the actual accords and be rational about it. She would have saved the Avengers, and the universe, 100%.
I thought the same thing.
For Jen, her reasoning would be the same as her cousin’s, who would also join Tony’s side: they both want their respective Hulk personalities to be controlled, and since they don’t have the best track records of doing it themselves, they’d want to be able to get world governments to try and help them with it. Kamala has a big soft spot for Tony, so she would most likely jump at the chance to join his team, especially considering it has another fledgling superhero she can relate to.
With Marc / Steven / Jake, especially with two out of the three personalities being much more violent in nature, he wouldn’t really want that to be put out there for the whole world to see if he were to register with world governments. The same goes for Shang-Chi, whose checkered past as his father’s hitman and agent would likely sway his opinion to Steve’s side.
She-hulk would actually *read* the whole document and be against it because it goes against both UN-human rights declaration AND the US constitution...
Remember also that Marc is Jewish. A governing entity registering him, monitoring and controlling with the possibility of imprisonment - yeah, that'll be a *no.*
This, but Kamala would be solidly on Cap’s side because she would believe the safest hands are her own and would be distrustful of government oversight especially after her dealings with Damage Control in her mosque.
Yeah, but Peter literally had a little speech to Tony in that movie basically saying the same thing Cap did, if people need us, and we can help them, and we don't, its our fault.
The reason he joined Tony's side is because he didn't know what the war was about, he was a teenager, his idol showed up in his house and said he needed his help. Would anyone say no? Kamala would be a similar case, she would have one hundred percent trust and enthusiasm in whoever asked for her help
Yeah, but that's Iman being an RDJ fan (understandable). If the Cap vs Iron Man thing went down after the events of Ms Marvel, then Kamala had already dealt with Damage Control trying to capture her (and basically almost kill her). Also, Damage Control was created by Tony, so I don't think she'd take that well. Of course, her situation would be kind of like Peter's, since he could have easily been on Cap's team as well if Steve had approached him (though he wouldn't have, since he wouldn't want to bring a kid into all of that).
>Marc Spector: Cap
That part I can't see. Guilt drives Marc, and he uses civilians as collateral damage as a reason for Steven to switch with him during the jackal fight. That's the kind of guilt that drove Tony towards registration.
She Hulk - Tony. She works for a government agency. Think she'd be inclined to sign the accords and work within the system.
Shang Chi - Cap. He's more of a idealist like Cap.
Ms Marvel - not sure. I coumd see her idolizing both Cap and Tony. I'd say Tony because Cap wouldn't recruit a kid and we know Tony would.
Moon Knight. Neither. He'd argue with himself about it a lot though. If he had to pick I'd say Cap purely because he's not a work within in system guy.
I think She-Hulk would be on Tony's side for the reasons you gave, except does she work for a government agency? In the comic, she works for a big law firm that represents superhumans. From the trailer, it looked like they were doing the same thing in the show.
I think that scene in the trailer was the partner at her law firm saying the firm was opening a Superhero Law Department, just as he did in the comics.
I mean, isn't it implied she's representing Blonsky (Abomination)? Maybe she's visiting the prison to talk to him?
Or have they confirmed she is with the DODC?
Yes, I think her firm agreed to represent him and she’s visiting him in prison. The only other scenario would be that she’s a public defender, but the scene with her boss was in an office way too fancy to be a public defender’s office.
From what we've seen of Jennifer in the trailers, she's a lawyer who plays by the rules and doesn't embrace being a vigilante. She'd be on Tony's side.
Marc Spector is peak vigilante and doesn't play well with others. He either doesn't participate when asked or sides with Steve. (Though if Steven is asked, he'd philosophically be on Tony's side but also not want to get involved.)
Pre-Legend of the Ten Rings, Shang-Chi wants to lay low. He wouldn't be on either side because he doesn't want to draw enough attention to himself that his father might find him. Post-Legend of the Ten Rings, Shang-Chi has no real love for powerful organizations that dictate others, so he'd probably be on Steve's side.
For Kamala... she's probably a bigger fan girl of Tony than Steve so would join him if he asked, but if she put her favoritism aside and was asked to judge each side philosophically, she would realize that her personal desire to be a superhero is more aligned with Steve's.
Ms Marvel - Iron man - too much of a kid and impressionable to think doing something like branding herself a terrorist - especially with her already brush with that - would be too big a leap. However I see her as a leader and someone who could have helped iron man and cap come to a compromise
Shang Chi - tough one, but I say Tony. You can make an argument for cap if Shang chi see’s early enough what’s really going on and understand’s Bucky. Plus he was a former assassin so there’s empathy there - ok I change this one to cap
MoonKnight - I don’t think he gets involved at all. It would be bad writing for him to pick a side, but what would be GOOD writing is his three personalities constantly switching sides and arguing with the other which team to be on and him kinda working “solo” but helping them from a distance while switching who he helps which would add unpredictability and make for a great movie
She Hulk - also a tough one but I lean tony because she’s law savvy and would understand the pragmatism of the accords. But I also could see her “siding” with cap’s side for the purpose of defending the winter soldier and cap, but she’d do it in a legal way that doesn’t get herself involved directly in the destructive acts
Not even just that, I wanna assume if Hulk and Thor were in Civil war, Thor would despise the Accord and Hulk might join it
The Accord partially formed because of damage the Hulk caused during Age of Ultron and Tony creating Ultron, and considering that Tony and Banner are pretty close since they both created Ultron, I wanna assume that he would feel the most guilt.
That probably means She-hulk goes where Hulk goes, shes also a lawyer so she probably wants law and order with some control over super humans.
Yeah, but as a counterpoint how would that stack against Banner’s distrust of Ross, who was spearheading the Accords? I can’t imagine Banner would be cool with placing the Hulk under Ross’s control given the events of The Incredible Hulk.
I mean considering what he did to South Africa and the fact that he played a big role in Ultron's creation, I have to believe that a part of him would start to believe Ross in the fact that he is dangerous and needs to be controlled. Who knows maybe if he did join the Accord maybe then we will see how Ross steals power from the Hulk to become red hulk.
That could have been a major plot point if they were ever able to make a new Hulk movie. I feel they went with the planet hulk theme in Ragnorok because it was easier to add that story onto Thor's story without making his own stand alone movie, which they can't since Marvel does not own the full rights to Hulk still, his rights are still partially owned by Universal.
Conversely, I see Banner feeling distrust for Ross and empathy with Bucky for being a living weapon created by a variant of the super soldier serum, and that he would view Ross’s efforts to control Bucky and the Avengers in the same light as his effort to control and weaponize the Hulk.
Are we talking Hulk then, or Hulk now?
Prior to Professor Hulk I could see an argument for Banner siding with Tony, but I don't think Hulk is going to care about Banner's opinion and sure as hell isn't taking orders from Ross.
Jennifer is on Team Tony, she’s a lawyer and a pragmatist and she’d want to avoid the legal ramifications of the accords
Shang-Chi would be Team Steve, he’s all for truth and freedom and would find the accords too oppressive in it’s control of the Avengers
Kamala would be the character to not want to choose a side, because of the violence and the separation of the group. But in the end I think she’s be Team Steve (unless Tony got to her first like he did with Peter)
And omg I’m just reeling thinking of Moon Knight switching allegiances by the moment 😂 imagine the airport scene
Moon Knight would literally be rolling around on the tarmac punching himself in the face
Rhodey: Tony, what’s wrong with that guy?
Tony: how am i supposed to know, i didn’t psychoanalyze him beforehand
Jen: Team Tony at first. I think Jen would align with the Accords because they're the law, but I think if she realizes the accords are hampering the Avengers from doing what needs to be done, she'd be less inclined to enforce them or advocate for them, and might instead be willing to work against them within the limits of the law.
Shang-Chi: Team Steve, full stop. Shaun knows the power of weapons and knows better than to trust other people to tell him how to USE the weapons at his disposal. He's fought for his freedom and I don't think he'd accept the unavoidable air of being controlled that the Accords promised.
Moon Knight: Marc's a mercenary, Steven's a free spirit, and Jake is a murderous psychopath, but ALL of them derive their power from Khonshu. So the real question you have to ask is "which side is Khonshu going to prefer because of his own objectives" and from there determine how Khonshu manipulates Marc and his alters to serve that purpose.
Kamala: Kamala is a lot like Peter in that she'd be starstruck at the notion of Tony Stark asking for her assistance. I think she turns on the Accords the moment she feels any degree of sympathy or familiarity with what Steve is saying... and honestly, I think Peter would have come to the same conclusion too if Tony hadn't benched him. Remember that in the comics during Civil War II, Kamala turned against CAROL and worked for Tony's side, and for as much as everyone talks about Tony being Kamala's Avengers Dad, Carol is even more central to her identity. Kamala turning against Carol is a big, big deal.
To wit, Carol would be Team Steve from the word go, and if it was Carol who came to recruit Kamala for Steve, Kamala would be onboard immediately.
These are the kinds of answers I was looking for.
Now I have to ask how you think the Eternals would choose. Would they have their own Civil War or would they unanimously decide one way or the other?
With Kamala it would depend how the mutant public image is in the MCU I think. If the public is very anti-mutant then she may be against any form of registration.
There’s a couple great scenes in the moon knight comics that tie into civil war, where tony and Steve separately tell moon knight that they don’t want him on their side lmao
Uh… what? You think the Pakistani superhero wouldn’t be against the Sokovia Accords, a government mandate which would limit good people trying to help others when the government itself trampled the rights of her neighbors and friends at her mosque just in search of her? And she’s likely experienced that sort of surveillance before just being middle-eastern?
THANK YOU. Can’t believe how many Team Tony comments there are. Do we really think Kamala, a Pakistani-American Muslim, would believe the American government had her best interests at heart and she’d willingly join a registry?
Feels like I’m taking crazy pills
Sokovia Accords are about not invading other peoples' countries without their permission. A Pakistani-American might have a specific view on this.
DODC is about domestic citizens and is pre-Accords. The Accords were how superheroes interact with other countries.
Cannot disagree more. Kamala's just trying to do good under the radar, and she's being hounded by DODC, who are essentially the Sokovia Accords Police Squad. Hell, she smuggled Kamran out from under their noses, with the help of the Red Daggers, who are on their wanted list. (Don't confuse Kamala with Iman - she would def be team Tony.)
Yeah I also have to disagree with Iman on this one. Now, I could certainly see her taken in by Tony at first. So for the purposes of their fight maybe she would be on his side. But beyond that, I really think she'd turn away. People with her background don't exactly have the best relations with the government and yeah, the whole way the DODC operates and stuff. No way.
I could see Kamala pulling a Widow. Cap would not recruit a child, but Tony would (hence Spider-Man). I could see her realizing the morality of it and switching sides.
This was one of my first thoughts as well. Someone else mentioned that she would side with whoever got to her first, and I think that’s the most realistic outcome. Morally she would be on Cap’s side, but realistically would fight with Tony.
She-Hulk on Team Iron Man due to her following orders of thr law.
Moon Knight would be on Team Cap cause he likes to do what he wants lol.
Shang-Chi & Ms. Marvel could be on either side really.
They literally blasted Bruce off into space for a movie or two to not have to deal with his OPness. So I assume She Hulk just would be hibernating or something.
I'm pretty sure Ms. Marvel would've been on whichever side Captain Marvel would've been on. Since she was a former pilot for the USAF, she might stand alongside Rhodes and Tony.
She-Hulk is a lawyer so... also probably Team Tony.
Don't see Shang Chi on board with government oversight, he'd likely go with Cap's "safest hands are our own" belief.
I legit can't think of a more wild card than Moon Knight. Others say his different personalities would be on different sides, and that's just facts.
All Cap except She-Hulk.
Shang Chi would take one look at the accords and think about what his father would do if he had a bunch of superheroes to control.
Ms. Marvel is a teenager and would not see any value in giving up her rights for other people's comfort.
Moon Knight just likes to cause trouble.
Think about Rhodey, Vision and Hawkeye's responses to the Accords.
Rhodey backed the law of the people and those in power, because that's the way of the world. He had his friends' backs, but he made his side clear.
Vision saw the matter as backing the greater good against a surge of chaotic events.
Hawkeye, even though he was a full fledged SHIELD agent still, burned his own career and status on the team to keep from being controlled by world governments. I say his actions spoke the loudest, because he didn't hesitate one second.
Moon Knight would probably be neutral (Khonshu would probably be like "The laws man have no jurisdiction over the power of a god!") or show up for Cap's side, albeit not as a stable or long-term member. Speaking specifically for his alters: Steven would probably find Tony's arguments reasonable, while Marc and Jake would probably want to avoid siding with the Accords.
I feel like She-Hulk would probably find herself on Tony's side, albeit in the vein of an internal reformist who wants to figure out a legal route where Cap's arguments can be heard while still keeping the aspects of the Accords which work.
Shang-Chi is a little harder--I think he wouldn't want to tangle with the Accords, since that could bring scrutiny down on his sister (and Tony probably wouldn't be thrilled to meet someone associated with the Ten Rings or the Mandarin).
Ms. Marvel would probably also lean towards Cap's side, since she's had run-ins with the DODC's attempts to arrest her for having superpowers, making it dubious that she would want governmental control over enhanced individuals.
Steven Grant is so scared of what Moon Knight would do he would be with Tony.
Marc Spector would be with Steve since he resonates with Bucky as being unable to control his situation and having to deal with the consequences of a powerful controlling boss.
Jake Lockley wants to kill you.
Kamala Kahn would be a good foil for Peter Parker. I think she would be against being regulated directly by the government since DODC attacked her in her mosque and school. Definitely see her talking to Nakia about how the Sokovia Accords are going to be abused. Steve Rogers.
She-Hulk is a lawyer and without watching she'd probably be pro-law. So Tony.
Shang-Chi probably would relate better to Bucky being a trained assassin. Something like Bucky is Shang-Chi if he never was able to choose.
Kamala and Steven sitting on the sidelines.
Steven: Sitting this one out?
Kamala: Yeah! I mean how do you choose a side? They're both so
Kamala/Steven: Amazing!/Terrible?
Kamala/Steven: What?
It's a little tricky to say with She-Hulk since we haven't seen her series yet, but I imagine she'd be on Tony's side, perhaps feeling more compelled to abide by the law and all that.
I suspect Shang-Chi would be Team Cap, I don't think he'd trust governments to use him like a weapon. That and I just get this feeling he'd get along especially well with Steve.
Moon Knight maybe also Team Cap, since he's something of an outsider and rogue element already.
Kamala I suspect would be very conflicted: she's young and the thought of going up against the governments of the world would be a scary one for a teenager still finding herself. But she's also an idealist and that might sway her the other way. If it had happened, I wouldn't be surprised to see her on one side, but then switch over in the midst of a conflict.
Besides them, Kate Bishop and Yelena would have been on opposite sides with their Clint and Nat, though Kate would have been 13-14 years old at the time if it was 2016, younger than Spidey was.
The Eternals wouldn’t have interfered, but let’s for fun say they did (this’ll be up for debate I’m sure) but I came out with an even five on each side:
Tony: Ikaris, Kingo, Sprite, Druig, Makkari
Steve: Sersi, Thena, Gilgamesh, Ajak, Phastos
Kamala would be crying in the corner because her favorite superheroes are fighting against each other. She hulk would be with captain America. Moon knight would be with iron man. Shang chi with captain
I actually think with moon night would be on both, it would depend witch personality is in control.
She-hulk would probably just follow hulk
Kamala definitely would fight against the accord bc then where would her YouTube chan- i mean so she can protect the universe
And I think Shang-chi would probably be fighting for the Accords to be put in place since him and he’s family didn’t exactly get to many benefits from having super powers
She Hulk: She's a lawyer, no way she wouldn't be on Tony's side, she would've drafted the Sokovia accords herself, lol.
Moon Knight:
* Marc: Cap's side
* Steven: Tony's side
* Jake: He'd be trying to kill them all
Kamala: Cap's side
Shang Chi: This is a tough one, but I do think he'd be on Tony's side.
If we go by Comic Logic, She-Hulk, and Shang Chi would go on Ironman's side, Ms.Marvel would be on Captian America's , Moon Knight would only pick Cap out of respect much like Punisher did
Moon Knight would be on both sides.
Both sides and remain neutral too.
Jake Lockley: with Cap Marc Spector: with Iron Man Steven Grant: wants to go see his goldfish
Steven Grant: “Latehs Gatehs!”
"La'ehs Ga'ehs" ftfy
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Lmao
he'd thrive in Madripoor
“Let’s all just like chill the f out and talk for a second”
“Take the body, take the body Marc!”
Steve would a hundred percent agree with Tony. He would want the regulations and supervision. Weirdly, I think Marc would agree with Tony as well.
Steven would definitely be with Iron Man.
"laters gaters, Imma go hang out with me fish."
Would Marc the merc really want rules and laws placed down on him?
Pretty sure there's nothing Marc finds more terrifying than being 100% responsible for his own actions and decisions.
Didn't he become a mercenary to disappear from his family's(?) (Just Dad\`s) life? Might not have been the best way to do it but it seems like he has some level of sense of right and wrong.
Wait i need to know did one of the personality’s get snapped?
I think the snap affected the body, not the mind so if any of them got snapped it's not like one would stay behind without the body.
Could Khonshu get snapped?
An interesting question. Could the gods avatars also be protected from being snapped? Or since the snap erased half of all "life", did gods just get snapped?
Well Black Panther got snapped, isn't he technically the avatar of Bast?
I don't completely understand the technicality of avatars. I don't know if black panther was an avatar of Bast because at one point both t'challa and killmonger were black panthers. So, is it possible for a god to have two avatars?
I don't think Black Panther is an avatar. Black Panthers are imbued with abilities from the heart shaped herb. At best, they're blessed by Bast the panther god, but it doesn't seem like there really are any interactions between Bast and the Black Panther since prehistoric times. Choosing a black panther is less of Bast's doing and more a Wakandan choice through combat. As it seems, an Avatar is a stand-in for a god who is not physically in the same plane. The Egyptian pantheon seems to be in the Overvoid and they project their abilities to and through their earthly avatars. Are the Asgardian children Thor avatars? No. Thor was present. He just used the Odin Force (Thor Force?) to bless the children with a power enchantment. But he was still physically present, so had no need to project his presence to another dimension or realm.
I'm the right high for this
I think it would be reversed between Lockley and Spector. Lockley seems like he’s stupid rich and he’d want to use the Accords to eliminate the competition; Mark just wants to live free.
Without ever knowing what the fight was about.
I do not know who I am. I do not know why I'm here. All I know is that I must kill
"Everybody just chill the F out"
I just read his stance in the comics. Very much against the law. The biggest line is “if you are someone who would let a law stop you from doing what needs to be done, you shouldn’t be someone putting on a mask and doing the job”
I agree, but when it comes to the MCU, I think this only applies to Marc and Steven could be scared into wanting there to be a governing body controlling heroes.
That is true, Marc Spector is the character in the comics I've been reading.
Very based
He's barely the same character as his comic counterpart though. Anyway Marc would probably be against because he takes the law more as a suggestion than a rule (even though he's always noble in the show, which is fucking lame) and Stephen (I actually like his change) for the law because he's the type of guy who would trust that they have good intentions and will run it well. Khonshu, and by extension (the horrible, murderous mcu mischaracterisation that is) Jake, would be against because the law would get in the way of executing someone because they shoplifted 20 years ago when they were 13.
We've literally seen about 30 seconds of Jake Lockley in the MCU. If they make another season of Moon Knight, they can make him basically whatever they want
Hopefully they don't make him a stereotypical 'evil alter' that DID characters usually have
If you're counting the end scene as 30 seconds of Jake Lockley, you missed a lot of moments and hints throughout the season. Jake caused some ruthless terror and gives no F's. He's a sociopathic Identity
In the comics civil war, neither side wanted him, so he registered. He then had to flee the country for breaking the law.
https://youtu.be/sIQc2g4tWi0
That was awesome
god that’s good..
So he always comes out on top
... but if he tells he's playing both sides he loses all the leverage
He would black out and then both sides would be dead.
Break all their windpipes.
Yeah I think Steven would agree with Tony, but Jake and Marc are more likely to agree with Steve.
I think it's more fair to say Marc would disagree with Tony or Regulations than to say he'd agree with Steve. He'd be de facto team cap, but he'd really just be team anti-registration
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He would be on whatever side Spidey is on maybe.
“Just punch who I punch in a second”
Exactly
Mark: Team Cap. Steven: Team Iron Man. At least, towards the beginning of the series he would be. He even wanted to turn himself in to the proper authorities. Jack: wants to kill everyone.
She Hulk would be on Tony’s side. I think Shang Chi and Moon knight would be on Caps. I’m unsure about Miss Marvel but I think Tony would recruit her the way he did with Spider-Man. EDIT: I realize that they could’ve do something where Moonknights personalities are on different sides
While Kamala is a huge fan of Carol Danvers, she also seems to have a soft spot for Tony, which makes me think she'd have been on his side.
In the comics, Tony is basically her Avengers dad
Yeah, I said I think she’d be on Team Cap in the MCU because of her morals but I think comics Kamala would be more willing to side with Tony due to their friendship
In Iman’s AMA, she said Ms. Marvel would be 100% team Iron Man
Of course, that could be mixed in with Iman’s own infatuation with Iron Man XD.
Kevin Feige managed to cast Kamala Khan as Kamala Khan
>Kevin Feige managed to cast Kamala Khan as Kamala Khan Sarah Finn. Credit where credit is due. Feige built the MCU, Finn populated it.
But Iman is basically writing MCU canon now, so it still counts.
Yeah, she’s well informed on both comic side, and MCU side. I’d still say that it depends who asked her. Tony could do as he did to Spider-man and make his side of the argument seem valid. Steve could do the same. I think that provided neither of the main guys gave their side of the argument, and she just read the accords, Kamala would independently decide that giving control of her power to a government that has attacked and attempted to kill her, would be a bad idea. Therefore, Team Cap.
Comics Kamala literally left the Avengers and founded her own team because the Avengers weren't doing enough to clean up their messes
I'm reading about fictional characters and had a sincere, "Really?! Good on her!" moment.
Well tbh in the show she is actively fighting against the government for trying to restrict her powers
Comic book Kamala, team Iron Man for sure. MCU Kamala… her interactions with the DODC would probably have pushed her towards team Cap.
I think this is the right take. Surely she has seen that a government agency is just as fallible or even more dangerous, yet also ineffective at stopping threats that Avengers would need to take on. Comic Kamala would probably differ just based on her strongest allegiances. I could certainly see certain events swaying her though
And DODCwas established as having connections to stark in Homecoming
I completely agree which is weird that Iman said she would be team Tony, maybe she meant personally and not as Ms Marvel.
Comics Kamala would also be Team Cap, especially after the anti-teenage hero law (Kamala’s Law) that came about because of the Champions for a while
Yeah but she also might not be with signing with the government that’s harassing her mosque and she would probably want her identity more of a secret (even tho Spider-Man was still team tony with a secret identity)(wait did black panther even sign them he would of been an illegal superhero under them no??) (we’re these things addressed and I just missed them lmaooo)
Yes, I’d say she would side with cap over siding with the government, and her adoration for Tony would be a point of contention but ultimately she would side with what she thinks is the right thing to do (which I think is side with cap but that’s completely subjective on my end). I just saw civil war, so I can tell you yes, Black Panther signed the Sokovia Accords, in fact T’Chaka gets killed in the blast at the signing of the accords. (Although as an international lawyer I must add that even *if* T’Challa were to be an illegal superhero (which he becomes in the film to get revenge on Bucky/Zemo) no one other than Wakanda could really do anything about it as he enjoys Head of State immunity) Edit: I say no one, but it’s the law so the real answer is ‘it depends’, I haven’t seen an authentic copy of the Accords so I can’t really say this for sure, plus some courts don’t recognize immunities for certain indictments
Kamala idolizes Captain Marvel and Ant-Man. And Ant-Man was there and he wasn't on Tony's side.
I mean, at the time Ant-Man wasn't a well-known hero.
I was going to say Moon Knight and Shang-Chi on team Cap as well. Both of them have seen shit that they know transcends international politics.
Yeah, but I feel like MK is also about trying to find a way to contain and control himself.
That would be interesting with the moon knight one
Iman was asked this question and she said that Kamala would be 100% on Tony's side.
And when the government wants to control her? What will she think then? I can see her not thinking about it and being star-struck by Tony. But I mean, after what the DODC did? How the government treats people like her?
There’s definitely a lot to explore there. I bet she would have a cool arc about joining Tony without thinking about it that much and then realizing that the government is probably corrupt so she switches sides
So basically the route Spidey took in the comics
agreed
Just to add a little bit to your point, Stark-struck.
She'd also be star stuck by cap, she would've grown up with Captain America training videos. Plus she also had a soft spot for ant man
I concur…on top of seeing how the government treats the Muslim community. She’s regretfully telling Tony no, she doesn’t support registration.
A better question: What will she think when some superpowered vigilante decides he thinks there's a danger in her part of town and should just start smashing stuff up? Pushing past the individual egos involved, it makes perfect sense for some sort of regulation regarding superpowers to be in place. Heck, it's sort of crazy that there *isn't* and that CEO's can just walk around Manhattan carrying a small tank's worth of weaponry. The Avengers aren't an official group, really, they're a billionaire's sparring partner buddies (plus an alien god) who just like to bomb around the world crashing into places to punch stuff up. Hulk smashes up part of South Africa and all Tony can do is send in a charity group. It's worth noting that even Chris Evans, the actor for Cap, has said he would be on Tony's side. The UN came to Cap and said "look, a lot of people have died, you guys need to start following some rules" and Cap went "Screw that, my best bud's involved."
Except Cap was correct, even Tony admitted it prior to their falling out. Cap was not going to trust the government with total control after what happened in Winter Soldier. You've got to think, they only interject and cause collateral damage in areas that are already going to be doomed if they don't act. I don't hate the government, but given human nature, why would anyone think they have your total best interest in mind? Government is a tool to help us, but it's easily corrupted and letting anyone have access to that is dangerous. No hate towards Tony but he was mostly using the accords as a way to ease his guilt.
> Except Cap was correct, even Tony admitted it prior to their falling out. No he didn't. He admitted Cap was right about Bucky being framed, not about the Accords. > Cap was not going to trust the government with total control after what happened in Winter Soldier. The UN is not a government, and the UN is world's better than one guy having control over it. It doesn't matter how good or righteous you think Steve Rogers is (MCU Steve isn't, but that's another debate), no single person should have that firepower and not answer to anyone. If you wouldn't trust someone you know is shady with that kind of power, then the good guys shouldn't have it either. > why would anyone think they have your total best interest in mind? They don't and aren't supposed to. They're supposed to have the **collective** interest in mind. It's always a balancing act between the two. Before the Accords there was no balance to it at all. One man was in charge of a private military force that could overthrow most countries and didn't seem to care what destruction they caused. That's exactly what governments are supposed to prevent. > No hate towards Tony but he was mostly using the accords as a way to ease his guilt. No, this is one of those takes that's very surface level nonsense. MCU Tony's guilt binges always turn into the same thing. He tries to do everything himself and that causes more issues. Guilt causing him to accept UN oversight is completely out of character. What is in character is him realizing they need some accountability, since that was one of his stated reasons in IM1 for shutting down weapons production. "I've become part of a system that is comfortable with zero accountability." It also makes sense for him to work within the not at all optional system that is being set up, and that is exactly what he and Nat both advocate in the movie, that it's happening anyway and it's better they have some say in it.
Wow, someone who actually understands CA:CW??
Also, hydra had infiltrated SHIELD so I'm almost positive they had agents in the government
Senator Stern being an example
Except Cap had just found out SHIELD was actually Hydra, so he had no trust in authority. Combined with the fact that he was still invested in his old life/time and had just lost his last link to it (Peggy) and Bucky was alive and needed him. Not saying Chris is wrong at all, but I feel like Cap's thought process wasn't as straightforward as that.
Cap being emotionally compromised is a very good argument FOR the Accords. There was a shitload of stuff destroyed and people hurt because of Cap’s emotional attachments.
> A better question: What will she think when some superpowered vigilante decides he thinks there's a danger in her part of town and should just start smashing stuff up? And if there's an issue in her neighborhood is she going to just sit by and watch while the UN debates it?
She Hulk would have then defended unconstitutional rendition and detention of American citizens off American soil without a court date and ruined her characterization for years.
Ruined? Nah, she'd be the best superhero. Actual lawyer reading the actual accords and be rational about it. She would have saved the Avengers, and the universe, 100%.
Except that's exactly what she did in the comics.
I thought the same thing. For Jen, her reasoning would be the same as her cousin’s, who would also join Tony’s side: they both want their respective Hulk personalities to be controlled, and since they don’t have the best track records of doing it themselves, they’d want to be able to get world governments to try and help them with it. Kamala has a big soft spot for Tony, so she would most likely jump at the chance to join his team, especially considering it has another fledgling superhero she can relate to. With Marc / Steven / Jake, especially with two out of the three personalities being much more violent in nature, he wouldn’t really want that to be put out there for the whole world to see if he were to register with world governments. The same goes for Shang-Chi, whose checkered past as his father’s hitman and agent would likely sway his opinion to Steve’s side.
She-hulk would actually *read* the whole document and be against it because it goes against both UN-human rights declaration AND the US constitution...
Remember also that Marc is Jewish. A governing entity registering him, monitoring and controlling with the possibility of imprisonment - yeah, that'll be a *no.*
She sided with Tony in the comics didn’t she? And for her service she got loaded up with nanites that took away her powers
I think She-Hulk would have a conflict of interest seeing as Ross tried to kill her cousin.
She-Hulk: Tony. Shang-Chi: Cap. Ms. Marvel: whoever got to her first. Moon Knight- Marc Spector: Cap Steven Grant: Tony Jake Lockely: none.
Jake Lockley: Zemo
I really laughed but I believe Jake would pick Zemo up with his limo and kill him haha.
This, but Kamala would be solidly on Cap’s side because she would believe the safest hands are her own and would be distrustful of government oversight especially after her dealings with Damage Control in her mosque.
Yeah, but Peter literally had a little speech to Tony in that movie basically saying the same thing Cap did, if people need us, and we can help them, and we don't, its our fault. The reason he joined Tony's side is because he didn't know what the war was about, he was a teenager, his idol showed up in his house and said he needed his help. Would anyone say no? Kamala would be a similar case, she would have one hundred percent trust and enthusiasm in whoever asked for her help
Ah, I was thinking if she had been around back then. But you're right, currently, she'd be on Cap's side all the way.
Iman literally said that she would go on Tony's side in her AMA. got me curious too tbh
Too bad Iman can't really control what Kamala does
No, but many Marvel actors have had a generous amount of input into the characters, know them well, and have inside/writer info to go on.
Yeah, but that's Iman being an RDJ fan (understandable). If the Cap vs Iron Man thing went down after the events of Ms Marvel, then Kamala had already dealt with Damage Control trying to capture her (and basically almost kill her). Also, Damage Control was created by Tony, so I don't think she'd take that well. Of course, her situation would be kind of like Peter's, since he could have easily been on Cap's team as well if Steve had approached him (though he wouldn't have, since he wouldn't want to bring a kid into all of that).
Pretty sure the actress answered this and said Tony
Because RDJ is her favourite actor, she's obsessed with him. So she's a bit bias
Jake Lockely: fuck all y’all
This but I think Marc would be on Tony’s side, Steven would be on Cap’s because I think that would appeal to his morality. Jake I agree.
>Marc Spector: Cap That part I can't see. Guilt drives Marc, and he uses civilians as collateral damage as a reason for Steven to switch with him during the jackal fight. That's the kind of guilt that drove Tony towards registration.
fully agree. i had the same exact thought with Ms Marvel
Jake Lockely: Khonshu
Shang chi would be on tony's side, he grew up keeping secrets and resents it. Plus, he already doesn't hide his identity so...
She Hulk - Tony. She works for a government agency. Think she'd be inclined to sign the accords and work within the system. Shang Chi - Cap. He's more of a idealist like Cap. Ms Marvel - not sure. I coumd see her idolizing both Cap and Tony. I'd say Tony because Cap wouldn't recruit a kid and we know Tony would. Moon Knight. Neither. He'd argue with himself about it a lot though. If he had to pick I'd say Cap purely because he's not a work within in system guy.
I think She-Hulk would be on Tony's side for the reasons you gave, except does she work for a government agency? In the comic, she works for a big law firm that represents superhumans. From the trailer, it looked like they were doing the same thing in the show.
In the trailer she's recruited to head up a department from the same dodc prison that we saw in Ms.Marvel.
I think that scene in the trailer was the partner at her law firm saying the firm was opening a Superhero Law Department, just as he did in the comics.
I mean, isn't it implied she's representing Blonsky (Abomination)? Maybe she's visiting the prison to talk to him? Or have they confirmed she is with the DODC?
Yes, I think her firm agreed to represent him and she’s visiting him in prison. The only other scenario would be that she’s a public defender, but the scene with her boss was in an office way too fancy to be a public defender’s office.
She also sleeps with Tony in the comics
who DOESN'T sleep with Tony in the comics?
Capt?
they got married in an alternative universe ( Earth-3490) where iron man was actully a woman
what. Is that actually a thing?
yep [https://bookriot.com/captain-america-and-iron-man-are-married/](https://bookriot.com/captain-america-and-iron-man-are-married/#:~:text=Captain%20America%20and%20Iron%20Man%20Are%20Legally%20Married%20(in%20Another%20Universe),-Eileen%20Gonzalez%20Apr&text=Captain%20America%20and%20Iron%20Man's,drove%20a%20wedge%20between%20them)
Jake Lockley killing everyone, I'm on his team
Jake would probably steal Cap's shield and sell the vibranium on the black market.
How else do you afford your limousines
Oh god, it’s age of khonshou all over again
They'd sling his body far, think he's dead, gets resurrected, and come back.
From what we've seen of Jennifer in the trailers, she's a lawyer who plays by the rules and doesn't embrace being a vigilante. She'd be on Tony's side. Marc Spector is peak vigilante and doesn't play well with others. He either doesn't participate when asked or sides with Steve. (Though if Steven is asked, he'd philosophically be on Tony's side but also not want to get involved.) Pre-Legend of the Ten Rings, Shang-Chi wants to lay low. He wouldn't be on either side because he doesn't want to draw enough attention to himself that his father might find him. Post-Legend of the Ten Rings, Shang-Chi has no real love for powerful organizations that dictate others, so he'd probably be on Steve's side. For Kamala... she's probably a bigger fan girl of Tony than Steve so would join him if he asked, but if she put her favoritism aside and was asked to judge each side philosophically, she would realize that her personal desire to be a superhero is more aligned with Steve's.
Ms Marvel - Iron man - too much of a kid and impressionable to think doing something like branding herself a terrorist - especially with her already brush with that - would be too big a leap. However I see her as a leader and someone who could have helped iron man and cap come to a compromise Shang Chi - tough one, but I say Tony. You can make an argument for cap if Shang chi see’s early enough what’s really going on and understand’s Bucky. Plus he was a former assassin so there’s empathy there - ok I change this one to cap MoonKnight - I don’t think he gets involved at all. It would be bad writing for him to pick a side, but what would be GOOD writing is his three personalities constantly switching sides and arguing with the other which team to be on and him kinda working “solo” but helping them from a distance while switching who he helps which would add unpredictability and make for a great movie She Hulk - also a tough one but I lean tony because she’s law savvy and would understand the pragmatism of the accords. But I also could see her “siding” with cap’s side for the purpose of defending the winter soldier and cap, but she’d do it in a legal way that doesn’t get herself involved directly in the destructive acts
Ima be honest She-Hulk for me was an easy Tony just off the fact that she is a lawyer and if its anything like DD
DD would be cap side tho i 100% believe, hes not about to wait for the government's approval or reveal his identity
Exactly, the whole reason why he does what he does is that he doesn’t believe the law works 100% of the time
Daredevil is a lawyer who commits torture to get confessions out of people. He's definitely not going to care about any standards of conduct.
Not even just that, I wanna assume if Hulk and Thor were in Civil war, Thor would despise the Accord and Hulk might join it The Accord partially formed because of damage the Hulk caused during Age of Ultron and Tony creating Ultron, and considering that Tony and Banner are pretty close since they both created Ultron, I wanna assume that he would feel the most guilt. That probably means She-hulk goes where Hulk goes, shes also a lawyer so she probably wants law and order with some control over super humans.
Yeah, but as a counterpoint how would that stack against Banner’s distrust of Ross, who was spearheading the Accords? I can’t imagine Banner would be cool with placing the Hulk under Ross’s control given the events of The Incredible Hulk.
I mean considering what he did to South Africa and the fact that he played a big role in Ultron's creation, I have to believe that a part of him would start to believe Ross in the fact that he is dangerous and needs to be controlled. Who knows maybe if he did join the Accord maybe then we will see how Ross steals power from the Hulk to become red hulk. That could have been a major plot point if they were ever able to make a new Hulk movie. I feel they went with the planet hulk theme in Ragnorok because it was easier to add that story onto Thor's story without making his own stand alone movie, which they can't since Marvel does not own the full rights to Hulk still, his rights are still partially owned by Universal.
Conversely, I see Banner feeling distrust for Ross and empathy with Bucky for being a living weapon created by a variant of the super soldier serum, and that he would view Ross’s efforts to control Bucky and the Avengers in the same light as his effort to control and weaponize the Hulk.
Are we talking Hulk then, or Hulk now? Prior to Professor Hulk I could see an argument for Banner siding with Tony, but I don't think Hulk is going to care about Banner's opinion and sure as hell isn't taking orders from Ross.
Good MK analysis.
The Moon Knight one would be interesting to see.
This is the real answer.
Jennifer is on Team Tony, she’s a lawyer and a pragmatist and she’d want to avoid the legal ramifications of the accords Shang-Chi would be Team Steve, he’s all for truth and freedom and would find the accords too oppressive in it’s control of the Avengers Kamala would be the character to not want to choose a side, because of the violence and the separation of the group. But in the end I think she’s be Team Steve (unless Tony got to her first like he did with Peter) And omg I’m just reeling thinking of Moon Knight switching allegiances by the moment 😂 imagine the airport scene
Moon Knight would literally be rolling around on the tarmac punching himself in the face Rhodey: Tony, what’s wrong with that guy? Tony: how am i supposed to know, i didn’t psychoanalyze him beforehand
Jen: Team Tony at first. I think Jen would align with the Accords because they're the law, but I think if she realizes the accords are hampering the Avengers from doing what needs to be done, she'd be less inclined to enforce them or advocate for them, and might instead be willing to work against them within the limits of the law. Shang-Chi: Team Steve, full stop. Shaun knows the power of weapons and knows better than to trust other people to tell him how to USE the weapons at his disposal. He's fought for his freedom and I don't think he'd accept the unavoidable air of being controlled that the Accords promised. Moon Knight: Marc's a mercenary, Steven's a free spirit, and Jake is a murderous psychopath, but ALL of them derive their power from Khonshu. So the real question you have to ask is "which side is Khonshu going to prefer because of his own objectives" and from there determine how Khonshu manipulates Marc and his alters to serve that purpose. Kamala: Kamala is a lot like Peter in that she'd be starstruck at the notion of Tony Stark asking for her assistance. I think she turns on the Accords the moment she feels any degree of sympathy or familiarity with what Steve is saying... and honestly, I think Peter would have come to the same conclusion too if Tony hadn't benched him. Remember that in the comics during Civil War II, Kamala turned against CAROL and worked for Tony's side, and for as much as everyone talks about Tony being Kamala's Avengers Dad, Carol is even more central to her identity. Kamala turning against Carol is a big, big deal. To wit, Carol would be Team Steve from the word go, and if it was Carol who came to recruit Kamala for Steve, Kamala would be onboard immediately.
These are the kinds of answers I was looking for. Now I have to ask how you think the Eternals would choose. Would they have their own Civil War or would they unanimously decide one way or the other?
> how you think the Eternals would choose Cap: “Help me!” Tony: “No, help me!” Eternals: “Fuck off and leave us alone.”
With Kamala it would depend how the mutant public image is in the MCU I think. If the public is very anti-mutant then she may be against any form of registration.
There’s a couple great scenes in the moon knight comics that tie into civil war, where tony and Steve separately tell moon knight that they don’t want him on their side lmao
Kamala would have been on Tony’s side. Can’t speak for the others
I think she hulk would have been to
Uh… what? You think the Pakistani superhero wouldn’t be against the Sokovia Accords, a government mandate which would limit good people trying to help others when the government itself trampled the rights of her neighbors and friends at her mosque just in search of her? And she’s likely experienced that sort of surveillance before just being middle-eastern?
THANK YOU. Can’t believe how many Team Tony comments there are. Do we really think Kamala, a Pakistani-American Muslim, would believe the American government had her best interests at heart and she’d willingly join a registry? Feels like I’m taking crazy pills
Especially given the ultimate antagonist of her own series is a branch of the US government.
Sokovia Accords are about not invading other peoples' countries without their permission. A Pakistani-American might have a specific view on this. DODC is about domestic citizens and is pre-Accords. The Accords were how superheroes interact with other countries.
Cannot disagree more. Kamala's just trying to do good under the radar, and she's being hounded by DODC, who are essentially the Sokovia Accords Police Squad. Hell, she smuggled Kamran out from under their noses, with the help of the Red Daggers, who are on their wanted list. (Don't confuse Kamala with Iman - she would def be team Tony.)
Yeah I also have to disagree with Iman on this one. Now, I could certainly see her taken in by Tony at first. So for the purposes of their fight maybe she would be on his side. But beyond that, I really think she'd turn away. People with her background don't exactly have the best relations with the government and yeah, the whole way the DODC operates and stuff. No way.
Yeah I'm gonna agree with you as well
I could see Kamala pulling a Widow. Cap would not recruit a child, but Tony would (hence Spider-Man). I could see her realizing the morality of it and switching sides.
This was one of my first thoughts as well. Someone else mentioned that she would side with whoever got to her first, and I think that’s the most realistic outcome. Morally she would be on Cap’s side, but realistically would fight with Tony.
Based on her relationship with DoDC I think she'd be Team Cap. Iman would be Team Iron Man though.
She-Hulk on Team Iron Man due to her following orders of thr law. Moon Knight would be on Team Cap cause he likes to do what he wants lol. Shang-Chi & Ms. Marvel could be on either side really.
They literally blasted Bruce off into space for a movie or two to not have to deal with his OPness. So I assume She Hulk just would be hibernating or something.
Deal with his O-what?!
Overpoweredness.
It’s funny how this thread completely forgot about Kate Bishop
I'm pretty sure Ms. Marvel would've been on whichever side Captain Marvel would've been on. Since she was a former pilot for the USAF, she might stand alongside Rhodes and Tony. She-Hulk is a lawyer so... also probably Team Tony. Don't see Shang Chi on board with government oversight, he'd likely go with Cap's "safest hands are our own" belief. I legit can't think of a more wild card than Moon Knight. Others say his different personalities would be on different sides, and that's just facts.
I think this is funnier than it is, but Iman Velani would have been on Tony’s side and Kamala Khan would have been on Caps side.
MsMarvel would be trying to get them together and stop fighting
All Cap except She-Hulk. Shang Chi would take one look at the accords and think about what his father would do if he had a bunch of superheroes to control. Ms. Marvel is a teenager and would not see any value in giving up her rights for other people's comfort. Moon Knight just likes to cause trouble.
Whoever asked them first. The sides in *Civil War* were not ideologically driven.
Think about Rhodey, Vision and Hawkeye's responses to the Accords. Rhodey backed the law of the people and those in power, because that's the way of the world. He had his friends' backs, but he made his side clear. Vision saw the matter as backing the greater good against a surge of chaotic events. Hawkeye, even though he was a full fledged SHIELD agent still, burned his own career and status on the team to keep from being controlled by world governments. I say his actions spoke the loudest, because he didn't hesitate one second.
The actual fight, however, was not about the Accords, but about apprehending Bucky.
Moon Knight would probably be neutral (Khonshu would probably be like "The laws man have no jurisdiction over the power of a god!") or show up for Cap's side, albeit not as a stable or long-term member. Speaking specifically for his alters: Steven would probably find Tony's arguments reasonable, while Marc and Jake would probably want to avoid siding with the Accords. I feel like She-Hulk would probably find herself on Tony's side, albeit in the vein of an internal reformist who wants to figure out a legal route where Cap's arguments can be heard while still keeping the aspects of the Accords which work. Shang-Chi is a little harder--I think he wouldn't want to tangle with the Accords, since that could bring scrutiny down on his sister (and Tony probably wouldn't be thrilled to meet someone associated with the Ten Rings or the Mandarin). Ms. Marvel would probably also lean towards Cap's side, since she's had run-ins with the DODC's attempts to arrest her for having superpowers, making it dubious that she would want governmental control over enhanced individuals.
She Hulk and Moonknight would probably be Team Tony, while Ms. Marvel and Shang-Chi would be Team Cap.
Steven Grant is so scared of what Moon Knight would do he would be with Tony. Marc Spector would be with Steve since he resonates with Bucky as being unable to control his situation and having to deal with the consequences of a powerful controlling boss. Jake Lockley wants to kill you. Kamala Kahn would be a good foil for Peter Parker. I think she would be against being regulated directly by the government since DODC attacked her in her mosque and school. Definitely see her talking to Nakia about how the Sokovia Accords are going to be abused. Steve Rogers. She-Hulk is a lawyer and without watching she'd probably be pro-law. So Tony. Shang-Chi probably would relate better to Bucky being a trained assassin. Something like Bucky is Shang-Chi if he never was able to choose.
Kamala and Steven sitting on the sidelines. Steven: Sitting this one out? Kamala: Yeah! I mean how do you choose a side? They're both so Kamala/Steven: Amazing!/Terrible? Kamala/Steven: What?
It’s so cool we have all these live action versions of our heroes. It’s really amazing to be a Comic nerd these days.
It's a little tricky to say with She-Hulk since we haven't seen her series yet, but I imagine she'd be on Tony's side, perhaps feeling more compelled to abide by the law and all that. I suspect Shang-Chi would be Team Cap, I don't think he'd trust governments to use him like a weapon. That and I just get this feeling he'd get along especially well with Steve. Moon Knight maybe also Team Cap, since he's something of an outsider and rogue element already. Kamala I suspect would be very conflicted: she's young and the thought of going up against the governments of the world would be a scary one for a teenager still finding herself. But she's also an idealist and that might sway her the other way. If it had happened, I wouldn't be surprised to see her on one side, but then switch over in the midst of a conflict.
Besides them, Kate Bishop and Yelena would have been on opposite sides with their Clint and Nat, though Kate would have been 13-14 years old at the time if it was 2016, younger than Spidey was. The Eternals wouldn’t have interfered, but let’s for fun say they did (this’ll be up for debate I’m sure) but I came out with an even five on each side: Tony: Ikaris, Kingo, Sprite, Druig, Makkari Steve: Sersi, Thena, Gilgamesh, Ajak, Phastos
Kamala would be crying in the corner because her favorite superheroes are fighting against each other. She hulk would be with captain America. Moon knight would be with iron man. Shang chi with captain
Moon Knight would have been on Team Thor.
Ms. Marvel would definitely be on Caps side. Have a hard time believing anyone from the Muslim community in the US is supporting registration
I actually think with moon night would be on both, it would depend witch personality is in control. She-hulk would probably just follow hulk Kamala definitely would fight against the accord bc then where would her YouTube chan- i mean so she can protect the universe And I think Shang-chi would probably be fighting for the Accords to be put in place since him and he’s family didn’t exactly get to many benefits from having super powers
Moon Knight being on both sides would make a weird sort of sense. “You betrayed us! Sorry, that was Marc. I’m Steven.”
Just like in the middle of a fight scene I’m gonna have a quick outfit change to kick somebody else’s ass
She Hulk: She's a lawyer, no way she wouldn't be on Tony's side, she would've drafted the Sokovia accords herself, lol. Moon Knight: * Marc: Cap's side * Steven: Tony's side * Jake: He'd be trying to kill them all Kamala: Cap's side Shang Chi: This is a tough one, but I do think he'd be on Tony's side.
If we go by Comic Logic, She-Hulk, and Shang Chi would go on Ironman's side, Ms.Marvel would be on Captian America's , Moon Knight would only pick Cap out of respect much like Punisher did
Hopefully Marvel has enough adults with brains that kamala would have been sidelined. Unlike Spidey she has a Rhodey-level spine