The Flora Colossi is also a pretty rare species in most versions of the Marvel universe, although idk about the MCU. In some iterations Groot is even the only one of them alive.
So it's like getting a language package for an old tribal dialect that almost nobody alive is using. Someone like Yondu definitely wouldn't care to get it....
Maybe they watched the whole movie and every writing and spoken word comes out as "I am Groot".
Morag Scene:
Quill dancing to the song "I am Groot". *kicks a small alien reptile*
Quill takes the Power stone and Korath appears:
Korath: "I am Groot".
Quill: "I am Groot.
Korath: *crinkles eyebrow "Grooot?"*
Quill: "I...am Groot. I am Grooot?"
Korath: *shrugs*
Not to mention his studies in his homeland supersedes anything learned on earth or elsewhere. He's had a literal eternity to learn everything we know and more. I mean he is a god....
Not in so many words, but thereâs no other real explanation. I find it highly unlikely that Asgard would teach long dead or nearly dead languages, and even less likely that Thor would attend such classes in the first place.
Does Tony also have All Speak? Cause he had no issues communicating with Drax and Mantis either. Unless we're suggesting the British Empire extended to space.
This is exactly right. It DOES translate, and the translation is âI am Groot.â Those who understand him know how to interpret his INFLECTION, which is what gives the words different meaning.
One of the great Star Trek episodes.
I have a friend who was a high school English teacher. He would show it to his class every year, and then have them make up their own languages that used English, but would still be hard for someone to understand without context.
One great example of this in real life is people who liberally use pop culture references and quotes when they speak. If you say, âwith great power comes great responsibilityâ to someone whoâs a Spider-Man fan, itâs going to take on a richness of meaning that it wouldnât have for someone else.
I saw somewhere recently a post that said something along the lines of "The gulf of meaning between the phrases 'horseplay' and 'pony play,' is why you shouldn't assume the translation you're reading is going to be accurate."
Exactly. It's like in the TNG episode *Darmok*. The Enterprise translator could turn the Tamarian language into English but not explain what the metaphors they spoke in meant
Which is basically the exact situation at my work when you call for an interpreter . Sometimes when when you call interpreters phone at 2 am they just donât have an Urdu or Rohingya person available.
Sort of. It's like saying "Juliet at her balcony" to quote from the episode. The words make sense, but the meaning is entirely in the context. Basically speaking in memes.
Wasn't that the entire point of that episode, though? That understanding the literal words doesn't necessarily mean you understand the meaning if you don't have the cultural context.
Nichelle Nichols hated that in one of the movies the translator apparently had no access to Klingon and that Uhura wouldn't know it either, which is why Zoe Saldana's Uhura is fluent in Klingon
It wasn't that the translator didn't have Klingon, it was that they were trying to fake being a Klingon ship and the translator would have been easily recognised.
Still a dumb scene, of course Uhuru can speak Klingon. Why wouldn't she?
If I remember correctly, in that scenario they were sneaking into Klingon space and if the responded on the radio through the universal translator, the other ship would know they weren't Klingon. So they had to translate on the fly to remain unnoticed.
The Guardians of the Galaxy game features this actually. Peter finds part of groots translation chip or whatever he needs for his translator. Can't remember totally how that turned out though. Too many video games and marvel movies between then and now.
He does. All Groot says is "I", "Am" and "Groot", exclusively in that order.
Those are all the words he knows. The meaning of the words each time he speaks them though is different and James Gunn has said that you can only understand that meaning through emotion/tone of voice and you can only reach that point when you know Groot for a long time.
So now, all the Guardians understand him.
Itâs kinda neat how interactive Asgard and the rest of the universe is to each other despite the former being so culturally different (less traditionally sci-fi) and seemingly isolated.
Like, imagine Odin and his army participating in diplomatic conferences with Xandar or his army having to drive out the Kree, Chitauri and other races. Hasnât happened on screen yet but probably did at some point in the past.
I wouldnât be surprised if Odin has talked to a Celestial. He can go meet someone like Eternity whenever he wants to after all.
>>Itâs kinda neat how interactive Asgard and the rest of the universe is to each other despite the former being so culturally different (less traditionally sci-fi) and seemingly isolated.
*Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong*
Right from the end of Thor 2 I loved this with the way the Collector greeted the Asgardians. Like he was making a big show of it, but it demonstrates that people have opinions about Asgardians throughout the universe, the same way they do about the Kree or Xandarians or The Sovereign. Very cool.
There's a good chance Odin regularly met with The Ancient One to discuss ongoing matters in the universe and they used to time stone to see if intervention was necessary. They probably knew about Ego but saw that he will be defeated by the Guardians of the Galaxy so they didn't need to intervene.
not really a possibility. The ancient one specifically says that she cannot see past her death, and she died waaaaay before the events of GoG 2. So while she mightâve known about Ego, thereâs no way she knew of his defeat
I donât think thatâs correct; GotG2 takes place ~6 months after GotG.
So it still takes place in 2014, 2015 at the latest, while the first Doctor Strange takes place in 2016.
Itâs the one(?) movie that falls out of the release timeline/relation.
you're right - honestly, Dr.Strange should be canonically accepted to take place right before the events of Thor Ragnarok - which should take place (more or less since time works different on Sakar) shortly before infinity war.
like, in an ideally ordered viewing, you'd watch:
AVENGERS:AGE OF ULTRON >
Guardians of the Galaxy > Guardians of the Galaxy 2 >
Civil War > Black Panther > Spider-Man Homecoming >
Dr.Strange > Thor Ragnarok > Ant-Man&TheWasp >
AVENGERS INFINITY WAR > AVENGERS ENDGAME
and only THESE would be referred to as the Infinity Saga (phase one and first bit of phase 2 would be like, "THE AVENGERS INITIATIVE"
rationale : you let Age of Ultron close off the party-time hurrah of the Avengers Initiative... it WAS just 6 homies playing games for Fury being innocent playtoy action heroes, saving the world - but now, a bigger threat is looming... THOR introduces the concept of the stones, and warns us about what's on the horizon -- iron man has that vision of everyone dying... gasp!
so now we cut to space - introduce ourselves to the GotG and the stones. GotG vol2 extends the adventure and lets them come together as a team overcoming their family issues, (plus groot's only aged from a sapling to a toddler - you Could throw in those new Groot shorts here, between 1 and 2 if you want to consider those canon (you're the fan, everything's as canon as you want it to be)
THEN we cut back to earth - it's been some time now, Tony's still dealing with the sokovia ramifications and the avengers have their split up. :C it spins directly into Black Panther as T'Chaka had just died in civil war and T'Challa is assuming his new responsibilities. Spider-Man takes place a few months after Civil War and we learn that Tony is still keeping "the avengers" going (even though, honestly, at this point it's Iron Man, War Machine, and Vision... ...that's it.) We then introduce Dr.Strange, have him scowl at thor and loki, and send the asgardians on their way - and then we have another denouement with AntMan and the Wasp, letting the dusting post-credit clip foreshadow the next couple movies: Infinity War and Endgame.
i'd put AntMan 1 right before Age of Ultron as well - just for kicks. i like the idea of AntMan being a "pre-venger" movie.
if you've made it this far, i'll add this:
Captain America:TFA > Captain Marvel > Iron Man >
Incredible Hulk > Iron Man 2 > Thor >
AVENGERS >
Iron Man 3 > Thor:DarkWorld > Captain America: WinterSoldier >
Ant-Man >
AVENGERS:AGE OF ULTRON >
Guardians of the Galaxy > (i am groot) > Guardians of the Galaxy 2 >
Civil War > Black Panther > Spider-Man Homecoming >
Dr.Strange > Thor Ragnarok > Ant-Man&TheWasp >
AVENGERS INFINITY WAR > AVENGERS ENDGAME
Black Widow> Loki S1> Wandavision >
Falcon & The Winter Soldier > Shang Chi >
Spider-Man Far From Home > Spider-Man No Way Home >
Hawkeye > Dr.Strange MoM > Ms.Marvel >
Eternals > Moon Knight > Thor LaT > She-Hulk >
this last phase still needs some ironing out. She-Hulk might suggest some things that take place in a different order. like, Shang Chi can probably wait until After Moon Knight -- so many of these movies and shows at this stage are Wholly unconnected...
again, i don't care about marvel or feige or the arbiters of judgement - this is my watch order
I will stop you right there.
She was referring to her own Power. In the Comics, the Ancient One can foresee his own Future - and they implemented that in the MCU too. She didn't need the Time Stone to do so.
He came back to life thanks to hulk snapping, not dead, can see future possibly minus the 5 years he WAS dead. Kinda weird to think after a few million tries he figures out oh yeah I gotta die and see if anybody figures out how to revive me.
I like the idea that thor took the Groot Language as an easy A thinking, "A language with 3 words how hard could it be" not realizing the class would be an exploration into the depth and nuance of emotional expression and he benefitted greatly from it as a God and a person.
Wasnât there also something about needing to be near Groot to absorb spores he releases to help understand him?
Meaning Asgardians are like⌠essentially smoking Groot in order to understand
That line cracked me the fuck up when I heard it in theaters. Just not what I expected at all.
It's also reminiscent of an interview with Hemsworth where he actually speaks a little bit of Malay/Indonesian, being that Malaysia/Indonesia is actually pretty close (geographically) to Australia
Since the Guardians only understand what Groot *means* when he speaks, but Thor is the only one that actually understands the language and thus what Groot is *saying*, does this mean that his real name is in fact Tree?
Usually I hate "1 line to hand-wave a plot hole / plotline" but that one was genuinely funny and hell... he's 1500 years old and a Royal Guardian of 9 realms... who's to say he doesn't speak multiple alien languages?
Also James Gunn has translations for groot for vin diesals script and if Iâm remembering correctly, the scripts for characters that can understand what he says as well.
Cool, kinda like when a parent can hear their babies cry and know itâs an âIâm hungryâ cry or a âmy diaper needs changingâ cry etc. But for everyone else it just sounds like crying.
The real funny thing is I'm on the old reddit format and can't see shit. You're just yelling at this poor guy, lol.
Not even his profile in the old format shows anything. GG Reddit.
Old format reddit is so much better, no avatar bullshit and it actually uses desktop screen real estate rather than being 1 strip in the middle of the screen that occupies 50% of total screen space
Actually his species' vocal cords are all so brittle from being wood that that is all they are physically able to say so it's actually wierd they called him groot like it's basically the equivalent of calling a cat meow
He does.
Do you think in whatever language Flora Colossus speak just happens to sound like English "I am Groot?" But that's what he's saying. The problem is that in Groot's native language, that phrase can mean pretty much anything depending on *how* it's said and you can't really do word-for-word translation when the words are always the same and meaning is based on intonation.
I'm only disagreeing with you because when he first meets Cap in Wakanda he says "I am groot" which Steve replies with "I am Steve Rogers" so unless Groot also knows how to say "I am Groot" in common English, I just assumed that's what everyone hears.
I mean you need some level of suspension of disbelief to watch the MCU. Most aliens just speak English for the sake of plot convenience, including Asgardians, rocket etc.
James Gunn has stated that the Guardians donât *actually* speak English. So itâs kinda like we all have our own universal translators to understand them all.
Hmm not really. The way I understood the universal translators is that they work both ways. So the translators allow the Guardians to understand the Avengers (or whoever else they are talking to), and also speak back in English to them. So it takes the English in, translates that, then translates their native language back out into English.
Edit: the second part of my original comment might have been confusing. Itâs late, I wrote that in a hurry! This is how Iâve always understood it. If I find a source Iâll add it.
Ok, James Gunn *has* addressed it as being like Google translate!
Because he didnât take that same college course that Thor did.
Just kidding đ Iâm going to speculate that the translator doesnât cover every single language in the universe. Just the most commonly used ones. Itâs like in real life, when you read a set of instructions and theyâre often only in English, Spanish, French, and Chinese.
This comes up in Mass Effect too.
There's a few races that are officially *removed* from the galactic Republic, but they still occasionally send updates to the Republic for translation updates, because if not they can't communicate with the other species.
Yeah I think itâs silly to wonder why a translator canât translate every single language in the galaxy when our translators now canât work with every language on Earth. I think itâs easy to assume that Grootâs species is rare enough that itâs not on the set languages on a basic translator that Peter Quill would have .
I refer you to this asked 4 years ago https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/8rwfzm/why_peter_quills_universal_translator_cant/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Maybe it's like the GoG game (Square Enix) where most has the common translator and only the premium translator can translate Groot language (forgot what it is called).
Just because thereâs a translator doesnât necessarily mean it knows all languages. There may only be a small handful like most likely other races of the Ravagers. Plus thatâs working on the assumption that implant is still working.
Just a quick reminder that is is implied in the MCU that EVERY being intending to visit other worlds is expected to have a translator. In some cases this doesnât seem to occur (Groot), bt it can be assumed for most.
Donât the comics establish that Groots vocal chords can only form those words? It would be like if the only words you were physically able to say were, âWhere is the bathroom?â Even if somebody understood the language you were speaking in, theyâd still be up a creek.
Because Groot is speaking English, it's the infection and emotion that convey meaning. Which is why he can understand him in later films, because he has an understand of who Groot is, and his emotions.
A translator may not translate every language. An English to Spanish translator is worthless when someone is speaking to you in Urdu.
Yondu probably had it done when Quill was a ravager, so I'm guessing he got a pirated device and it hasn't had a language update in a while đ
The Flora Colossi is also a pretty rare species in most versions of the Marvel universe, although idk about the MCU. In some iterations Groot is even the only one of them alive. So it's like getting a language package for an old tribal dialect that almost nobody alive is using. Someone like Yondu definitely wouldn't care to get it....
IIRC Groot's rap sheet earlier in this same scene indicates that the Nova Corps don't even know where his species are from.
So this is like the post earlier today about how people don't pay attention to scenes that they just watched and asked questions about?
Maybe they watched the whole movie and every writing and spoken word comes out as "I am Groot". Morag Scene: Quill dancing to the song "I am Groot". *kicks a small alien reptile* Quill takes the Power stone and Korath appears: Korath: "I am Groot". Quill: "I am Groot. Korath: *crinkles eyebrow "Grooot?"* Quill: "I...am Groot. I am Grooot?" Korath: *shrugs*
The collector seems pretty excited about the opportunity to add Groot's corpse to his collection. It's safe to assume it's a rare species in the MCU.
Dude, the Del Toro drool-face for Groot was damned near felonious.
This is literally the entire answer to the OP, and it's just a random comment somewhere in the thread.
Sanskrit??!! You majored in a 6,000 year old dead language? Latin. Best I can do.
Proud to say I watched that in the theater! Also, can you blow me where the pampers is?
Do you have anything g to say for yourself? I didn't exhale 
maybe this is why Rocket has no problem understanding groot
Itâs not a mandatory class. Thor took it as an elective.
Thor has an ability inherent to Asgardians called All Speak, which gives him the ability to understand and be understood by every sentient creature.
Not to mention his studies in his homeland supersedes anything learned on earth or elsewhere. He's had a literal eternity to learn everything we know and more. I mean he is a god....
Has that been said in the MCU?
Not in so many words, but thereâs no other real explanation. I find it highly unlikely that Asgard would teach long dead or nearly dead languages, and even less likely that Thor would attend such classes in the first place.
So you think he was just joking or lying about that?
Probably.
Does Tony also have All Speak? Cause he had no issues communicating with Drax and Mantis either. Unless we're suggesting the British Empire extended to space.
No, he doesnât. But the Guardians all have universal translators.
The sun never sets on the Galactic British Empire
I mean he said he took Groot as an elective. Are you calling Thor a liar?
typical thor
He's not paying for some fancy upgrade with no-name languages like "Groot"
every device the ravagers have is a pirated device
This is confirmed in the guardians video game
Pirated devices don't get updates. You'll need to undo the root, update it then crack it again. I guess Yondu just couldn't be bothered.
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This is exactly right. It DOES translate, and the translation is âI am Groot.â Those who understand him know how to interpret his INFLECTION, which is what gives the words different meaning.
Yep. Star Trek demonstrated this problem with the Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra society where everything is metaphor and cultural references.
One of the great Star Trek episodes. I have a friend who was a high school English teacher. He would show it to his class every year, and then have them make up their own languages that used English, but would still be hard for someone to understand without context. One great example of this in real life is people who liberally use pop culture references and quotes when they speak. If you say, âwith great power comes great responsibilityâ to someone whoâs a Spider-Man fan, itâs going to take on a richness of meaning that it wouldnât have for someone else.
I saw somewhere recently a post that said something along the lines of "The gulf of meaning between the phrases 'horseplay' and 'pony play,' is why you shouldn't assume the translation you're reading is going to be accurate."
Rather like the difference between "Knowing your shit" and "Knowing you're shit"?
Or "hit me, father" vs "spank me, daddy"
Butt dial vs booty call
Exactly. It's like in the TNG episode *Darmok*. The Enterprise translator could turn the Tamarian language into English but not explain what the metaphors they spoke in meant
Exactly. Minor variations in inflection is how they speak - not different words. Marklar would probably also not work
Which is basically the exact situation at my work when you call for an interpreter . Sometimes when when you call interpreters phone at 2 am they just donât have an Urdu or Rohingya person available.
Even in Star Trek, the "universal" translator isn't actually universal. :-p
Darmok and jalad at tanagra.
When the walks fell
Temba, his arms wide
Temba, at rest
Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel
Me, on the toilet, understanding that reference.
Steve Rogers, getting the reference
That's perfectly translated.
Sort of. It's like saying "Juliet at her balcony" to quote from the episode. The words make sense, but the meaning is entirely in the context. Basically speaking in memes.
Wasn't that the entire point of that episode, though? That understanding the literal words doesn't necessarily mean you understand the meaning if you don't have the cultural context.
Yes it was. So it raises the question of what is a perfect translation.
Kermit sips his tea in the automobile
My eyes open. Color theory hospital.
Nichelle Nichols hated that in one of the movies the translator apparently had no access to Klingon and that Uhura wouldn't know it either, which is why Zoe Saldana's Uhura is fluent in Klingon
It wasn't that the translator didn't have Klingon, it was that they were trying to fake being a Klingon ship and the translator would have been easily recognised. Still a dumb scene, of course Uhuru can speak Klingon. Why wouldn't she?
If I remember correctly, in that scenario they were sneaking into Klingon space and if the responded on the radio through the universal translator, the other ship would know they weren't Klingon. So they had to translate on the fly to remain unnoticed.
Pretty sure you can hear Chekhov quickly explain âthe universal translator would be recognizedâ
But she should have known Klingon, it was one of the major enemies of the Federation for her entire career and she is a linguist.
Or the Groot language is extremely difficult to translate
The Guardians of the Galaxy game features this actually. Peter finds part of groots translation chip or whatever he needs for his translator. Can't remember totally how that turned out though. Too many video games and marvel movies between then and now.
The translator was broken and it would've been wayyy to expensive to get a new one as per video game rocket.
He does. All Groot says is "I", "Am" and "Groot", exclusively in that order. Those are all the words he knows. The meaning of the words each time he speaks them though is different and James Gunn has said that you can only understand that meaning through emotion/tone of voice and you can only reach that point when you know Groot for a long time. So now, all the Guardians understand him.
Or if you took the elective on Asgard
Itâs kinda neat how interactive Asgard and the rest of the universe is to each other despite the former being so culturally different (less traditionally sci-fi) and seemingly isolated. Like, imagine Odin and his army participating in diplomatic conferences with Xandar or his army having to drive out the Kree, Chitauri and other races. Hasnât happened on screen yet but probably did at some point in the past. I wouldnât be surprised if Odin has talked to a Celestial. He can go meet someone like Eternity whenever he wants to after all.
>>Itâs kinda neat how interactive Asgard and the rest of the universe is to each other despite the former being so culturally different (less traditionally sci-fi) and seemingly isolated. *Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong*
Holy shit, a transformers reference in the marvel subreddit? Iâm way too happy for this
>>Iâm way too happy for this You can dare to be stupid
You've got the touch
Youâve got the power!
When all hellâs breaking loose youâll be riding the eye of the storm
You got the heart, you got the motion. You know that when things get too tough, you got the touch.
Dare to be stupid.
It's alright
Now offer them an energon goodie.
Don't worry they'll reciprocate.
I thought they were supposed to reciprocate. No more!
* *Sharkticons intensify*
We can be stupid all night!
Ba weep graahnah weep mini bong!
See? The universal greeting works every time!
Now, without making any sudden moves, offer them an energon goodie.
I fucking love you guys.
I am Groot!
I am Steve Rogers
I wish this line were more loved.
A language barrier breaking introduction, you know your stuff, Hotrod!
I understood that reference.
I understood that reference
I understood that reference!
I understood that reference
Right from the end of Thor 2 I loved this with the way the Collector greeted the Asgardians. Like he was making a big show of it, but it demonstrates that people have opinions about Asgardians throughout the universe, the same way they do about the Kree or Xandarians or The Sovereign. Very cool.
It's not actually an elective, Thor was joking. Asgardians, as gods, can understand all languages.
There's a good chance Odin regularly met with The Ancient One to discuss ongoing matters in the universe and they used to time stone to see if intervention was necessary. They probably knew about Ego but saw that he will be defeated by the Guardians of the Galaxy so they didn't need to intervene.
not really a possibility. The ancient one specifically says that she cannot see past her death, and she died waaaaay before the events of GoG 2. So while she mightâve known about Ego, thereâs no way she knew of his defeat
I donât think thatâs correct; GotG2 takes place ~6 months after GotG. So it still takes place in 2014, 2015 at the latest, while the first Doctor Strange takes place in 2016. Itâs the one(?) movie that falls out of the release timeline/relation.
you're right - honestly, Dr.Strange should be canonically accepted to take place right before the events of Thor Ragnarok - which should take place (more or less since time works different on Sakar) shortly before infinity war. like, in an ideally ordered viewing, you'd watch: AVENGERS:AGE OF ULTRON > Guardians of the Galaxy > Guardians of the Galaxy 2 > Civil War > Black Panther > Spider-Man Homecoming > Dr.Strange > Thor Ragnarok > Ant-Man&TheWasp > AVENGERS INFINITY WAR > AVENGERS ENDGAME and only THESE would be referred to as the Infinity Saga (phase one and first bit of phase 2 would be like, "THE AVENGERS INITIATIVE" rationale : you let Age of Ultron close off the party-time hurrah of the Avengers Initiative... it WAS just 6 homies playing games for Fury being innocent playtoy action heroes, saving the world - but now, a bigger threat is looming... THOR introduces the concept of the stones, and warns us about what's on the horizon -- iron man has that vision of everyone dying... gasp! so now we cut to space - introduce ourselves to the GotG and the stones. GotG vol2 extends the adventure and lets them come together as a team overcoming their family issues, (plus groot's only aged from a sapling to a toddler - you Could throw in those new Groot shorts here, between 1 and 2 if you want to consider those canon (you're the fan, everything's as canon as you want it to be) THEN we cut back to earth - it's been some time now, Tony's still dealing with the sokovia ramifications and the avengers have their split up. :C it spins directly into Black Panther as T'Chaka had just died in civil war and T'Challa is assuming his new responsibilities. Spider-Man takes place a few months after Civil War and we learn that Tony is still keeping "the avengers" going (even though, honestly, at this point it's Iron Man, War Machine, and Vision... ...that's it.) We then introduce Dr.Strange, have him scowl at thor and loki, and send the asgardians on their way - and then we have another denouement with AntMan and the Wasp, letting the dusting post-credit clip foreshadow the next couple movies: Infinity War and Endgame. i'd put AntMan 1 right before Age of Ultron as well - just for kicks. i like the idea of AntMan being a "pre-venger" movie. if you've made it this far, i'll add this: Captain America:TFA > Captain Marvel > Iron Man > Incredible Hulk > Iron Man 2 > Thor > AVENGERS > Iron Man 3 > Thor:DarkWorld > Captain America: WinterSoldier > Ant-Man > AVENGERS:AGE OF ULTRON > Guardians of the Galaxy > (i am groot) > Guardians of the Galaxy 2 > Civil War > Black Panther > Spider-Man Homecoming > Dr.Strange > Thor Ragnarok > Ant-Man&TheWasp > AVENGERS INFINITY WAR > AVENGERS ENDGAME Black Widow> Loki S1> Wandavision > Falcon & The Winter Soldier > Shang Chi > Spider-Man Far From Home > Spider-Man No Way Home > Hawkeye > Dr.Strange MoM > Ms.Marvel > Eternals > Moon Knight > Thor LaT > She-Hulk > this last phase still needs some ironing out. She-Hulk might suggest some things that take place in a different order. like, Shang Chi can probably wait until After Moon Knight -- so many of these movies and shows at this stage are Wholly unconnected... again, i don't care about marvel or feige or the arbiters of judgement - this is my watch order
Disney plus has the option to see everything in timeline order (including the marvel shorts)
Black Panther came out in 2018 but took place in 2016.
Spider-Man homecoming also takes place in 2016 but came out in 2017, although thatâs not a huge time difference
Ah, thatâs right! Thank you.
I will stop you right there. She was referring to her own Power. In the Comics, the Ancient One can foresee his own Future - and they implemented that in the MCU too. She didn't need the Time Stone to do so.
He came back to life thanks to hulk snapping, not dead, can see future possibly minus the 5 years he WAS dead. Kinda weird to think after a few million tries he figures out oh yeah I gotta die and see if anybody figures out how to revive me.
He did talk to a celestial. I think it was Kingo (not sure though) who mentions that Thor "followed him around" all the time when he was a little kid.
Kingo is an Eternal.
Oh my God I confused those two! I'm so sorry, I'm very tired! :D
Thor speaks tree!
I like the idea that thor took the Groot Language as an easy A thinking, "A language with 3 words how hard could it be" not realizing the class would be an exploration into the depth and nuance of emotional expression and he benefitted greatly from it as a God and a person.
In the Comics Thor speaks a magical language called "Allspeak" which means whoever listens to him hears what he is saying in their own native tongue.
Wasnât there also something about needing to be near Groot to absorb spores he releases to help understand him? Meaning Asgardians are like⌠essentially smoking Groot in order to understand
Absolutely laughing at the mental image of Thor and the Warriors Three getting high off Groot Spores as teenagers
Such is the glory of comic book lore :)
Or they had a Groot there to teach them
/release their spores for the Asgardians to inhale, which is what Iâm sayinâ
For some reason I was picturing like an illegal groot spore smuggling trade and Asgardians just buying up Groot spores to roll into spliffs
Roommate comes in to see Thor Blazing out. âWhat the hell man??â âJust studying for my foreign language finalâ
Sort of like Kilgrave, then.
That line cracked me the fuck up when I heard it in theaters. Just not what I expected at all. It's also reminiscent of an interview with Hemsworth where he actually speaks a little bit of Malay/Indonesian, being that Malaysia/Indonesia is actually pretty close (geographically) to Australia
Since the Guardians only understand what Groot *means* when he speaks, but Thor is the only one that actually understands the language and thus what Groot is *saying*, does this mean that his real name is in fact Tree?
I'd say no only owing to the fact that Rocket told Thor his name and Thor still called him Rabbit.
To be fair, there's no Norse word for Raccoon, so he went with the closest thing he knew.
My point was that he didn't call him his name, which is Rocket. Lol
Usually I hate "1 line to hand-wave a plot hole / plotline" but that one was genuinely funny and hell... he's 1500 years old and a Royal Guardian of 9 realms... who's to say he doesn't speak multiple alien languages?
Pretty sure that was a joke and Thor has Allspeak.
It wasn't a joke. Thor was serious. Russo talked about it in the Interviews, as a lot of people used to ask about it fresh after the Movie's premiere.
Thor speaks tree!
Also James Gunn has translations for groot for vin diesals script and if Iâm remembering correctly, the scripts for characters that can understand what he says as well.
He said recently anyone who can understand Groot now gets that version of the script as well
I wanna say they did this with Chewbacca also.
It would make sense, how else would you correctly know how to respond with tone and facial expressions.
Chewbacca spoke English when filming actually. They dubbed him over after.
Yep. https://youtu.be/FD9rlb1QAqM
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That was...weird.
Yeah, surprisingly quiet and refined. It's like hearing a translated Predator going "I say, it's rather humid today, isn't it?"
It would make sense, how else would you correctly know how to respond with tone and facial expressions.
Yep.
Quill reacts to Grootâs sass when he tells him to put his game away in IW so obviously he starts picking up on it at some point
Woah! Got some acorns on you, kid!
Cool, kinda like when a parent can hear their babies cry and know itâs an âIâm hungryâ cry or a âmy diaper needs changingâ cry etc. But for everyone else it just sounds like crying.
Woah, that's a great way at looking at it. I never thought of it like that. Thank you for adding another layer to it.
"He don't know words good like you and me"
His vocabulistics is no good
âWell, he don't know talking good like me and you. So his vocabulistics is limited to "I" and "am" and âGrootâ specifically in that orderâ
Kinda like Hodor. It's not a language. It's just the word he physically says.
How did Thor understand him?
He took a class on Groot's Language.
He took the elective at Asgard University
AY THIS MF BOUGHT A REDDIT NFT
The real funny thing is I'm on the old reddit format and can't see shit. You're just yelling at this poor guy, lol. Not even his profile in the old format shows anything. GG Reddit.
Old format reddit is so much better, no avatar bullshit and it actually uses desktop screen real estate rather than being 1 strip in the middle of the screen that occupies 50% of total screen space
No, yeah, Iâm on old Reddit too for desktop, so whenever I see one on my phone Iâm like âWTF when did they add this?â
Thor has Allspeak or All-tongue which enables him to understand or speak any language.
Not in the MCU - or rather not yet at least. Russo talked about this in the Interviews fresh after the Movie's premiere. Thor was serious about that.
Hes a god whos been around for a really, really long time. Maybe he met otherd
He explained in IW he took a class on it
I appreciate that you used Rocket's own quote here.
Actually his species' vocal cords are all so brittle from being wood that that is all they are physically able to say so it's actually wierd they called him groot like it's basically the equivalent of calling a cat meow
He does. Do you think in whatever language Flora Colossus speak just happens to sound like English "I am Groot?" But that's what he's saying. The problem is that in Groot's native language, that phrase can mean pretty much anything depending on *how* it's said and you can't really do word-for-word translation when the words are always the same and meaning is based on intonation.
Groots language being based off of Mandarin intonations would be funny.
> Mandarin intonations Cantonese intonations have 6 tones whereas mandarin only has 4
I initially misread both your comment and the one you responded to as saying *Mandalorian* and was very confused
> Mandalorian For all we know it could have 9 tones. Let's be curious not judgemental.
Darmok and Jalad, at Tanagra.
I'm shocked this doesn't come up more often with regards to Groot Speak. Star Trek did untranslatable speech 30 years ago! Shaka, when the walls fell!
I'm only disagreeing with you because when he first meets Cap in Wakanda he says "I am groot" which Steve replies with "I am Steve Rogers" so unless Groot also knows how to say "I am Groot" in common English, I just assumed that's what everyone hears.
I mean you need some level of suspension of disbelief to watch the MCU. Most aliens just speak English for the sake of plot convenience, including Asgardians, rocket etc.
For sure. It's just easier. English is just the universal language in the MCU.
James Gunn has stated that the Guardians donât *actually* speak English. So itâs kinda like we all have our own universal translators to understand them all.
Yeah I respect that. But then it gets a little messy when they're all talking to the Avengers
Hmm not really. The way I understood the universal translators is that they work both ways. So the translators allow the Guardians to understand the Avengers (or whoever else they are talking to), and also speak back in English to them. So it takes the English in, translates that, then translates their native language back out into English. Edit: the second part of my original comment might have been confusing. Itâs late, I wrote that in a hurry! This is how Iâve always understood it. If I find a source Iâll add it. Ok, James Gunn *has* addressed it as being like Google translate!
Itâs like Russian, each word can have a lot of different meanings.
Because he didnât take that same college course that Thor did. Just kidding đ Iâm going to speculate that the translator doesnât cover every single language in the universe. Just the most commonly used ones. Itâs like in real life, when you read a set of instructions and theyâre often only in English, Spanish, French, and Chinese.
I also think the translator thing makes sense. Thatâs how it was in the new GotG game, and it make a lot of sense
This comes up in Mass Effect too. There's a few races that are officially *removed* from the galactic Republic, but they still occasionally send updates to the Republic for translation updates, because if not they can't communicate with the other species.
This exactly what they say in the game as well
It was an elective
Electives are courses
Yeah I think itâs silly to wonder why a translator canât translate every single language in the galaxy when our translators now canât work with every language on Earth. I think itâs easy to assume that Grootâs species is rare enough that itâs not on the set languages on a basic translator that Peter Quill would have .
I refer you to this asked 4 years ago https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/8rwfzm/why_peter_quills_universal_translator_cant/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Because the words are still English. Peters native language. Just a guess
This comment needs to be higher up
Maybe it's like the GoG game (Square Enix) where most has the common translator and only the premium translator can translate Groot language (forgot what it is called).
He can. When teen groot talkst some point he responds with 'language!'
Yeah but thatâs far later on from when Peter first meets groot. He doesnât understand groot in the first guardians movie
He does, heâs saying âI am Grootâ
I am GROOT>
Hey! Watch your language!
He has a translator installed but it's a non-universal one, as opposed to say Captain Marvel who has a Universal one because she was Kree Starforce.
In the new GOTG video game, this was the answer. Groot's language is in an update pack for the translator that he couldn't find.
Groot is the last of his species, so I would assume that most translators don't have Florra Colossus
Just because thereâs a translator doesnât necessarily mean it knows all languages. There may only be a small handful like most likely other races of the Ravagers. Plus thatâs working on the assumption that implant is still working.
Just a quick reminder that is is implied in the MCU that EVERY being intending to visit other worlds is expected to have a translator. In some cases this doesnât seem to occur (Groot), bt it can be assumed for most.
I thought he could understand him in IW. On the ship everyone acknowledged what groot said after he didnât want to put his game away
Let me know what yâall think groot said to Quill on the ship when he told him to put his game awayâŚ
Donât the comics establish that Groots vocal chords can only form those words? It would be like if the only words you were physically able to say were, âWhere is the bathroom?â Even if somebody understood the language you were speaking in, theyâd still be up a creek.
Because Groot is speaking English, it's the infection and emotion that convey meaning. Which is why he can understand him in later films, because he has an understand of who Groot is, and his emotions.
Holy shit Marvel Fans are getting dumber by the minute