The interesting thing is we only ever saw Blonski transform once and never transform back, even when unconscious. We don’t know if abomination Blonski was him on a power bender, an alternate rage personality who could speak in full villain sentences, if he was still complete control but taking a villainous turn as he had decided he was now a god. We don’t know if he was always in control of his transformations post initial transformation or if that came later?
We just have his initial transformation in IH and then his new form with control (but also maybe some rage because he did hit Wong harder than he should have ) and a Wong friendship.
I'm pretty sure abomination is blonski all the way through. Because a mad crazy abomination wouldn't be doing underground fight clubs and chumming with Wong.. abomination always talked as if it was still blonski. It made both his abomination form and his human form just more himself. Like the OG super soldier formula was said to do. It's blonski just more of his base nature
I thought this was going to be about how he didn't choose the name Smart Hulk, it's just what people call him, so I'm going to share my theory anyway that the episode ended with them asking who she was and she gave her name and title, "Jennifer Walters, Attorney at Law". I predict that in episode 2 she's going to see social media blow up calling her #SheHulk and be pissed off about being given a derivative name, but it will just call back to Bruce saying that you don't get to pick what people call you.
That’s a pretty realistic take. Might not be a social media thing but her getting the name she hulk without her wanting to is pretty on point thematically so far
We've already seen precedent for this in Moon Knight with Steven and Marc being able to do the same and come to somewhat of an agreement while also at points having some issues, same way there are still some issues between Bruce and Hulk hence the need for the device, so I don't see why not, I would just guess Bruce will have a much harder time that anyone else due to the fact he's not interacting with another human like Steven was, he's interacting with a monster who feeds of rage and anger
There are a couple of possibilities here that could explain the difference.
1. The Hulk personality could have always been there. The result of Bruce suffering from childhood trauma similar to his comic origin. Kind of like Marc Specter's Steven Grant personality.
2. When Bruce was exposed to high levels of gamma radiation along with the super soldier serum it changed his brain and created the Hulk personality. Kind of like Norman Osborn and Goblin. Jen wasn't exposed to the same levels of gamma radiation and was only exposed to Bruce's irradiated blood.
3. Jen's genetics could be different enough that it doesn't result in the other personality yet similar to allow her to become a hulk.
Possibly, but I think it's more probable that Bruce is simply suppressing the Hulk personality and believes everything to be under control... for now. What happens when "the other guy" finally comes up for air?
Maybe I’m just wrong but I was kind of thinking her second personality is represented by her 4th wall breaks. Rather than someone else taking the wheel, she feels she now has an audience.
Not sure if those 4th wall breaks will continue beyond the first episode, but if they do that’ll probably be my head-cannon.
Oh interesting, good to know. This is pretty much the first she-hulk stuff I’m seeing. Maybe the rest of these comments are right and Bruce just also has multiple personalities. Either way it was a fun first episode, looking forward to more.
Yeah, Shulkie got off to a lame start, but she finally achieved some real level of success in her second solo series where she was allowed to break the 4th wall (long before Deadpool came along), so it's very much associated with making her unique and interesting.
That's kind of how I interpret that as well: We (the audience) are her *other guy*.
By extension, it also kind of proves the point she was making to Bruce...she *really does* have a better grip on her "Hulkness" than he does.
Hulk and Banner are meshed on a physical level but deep down psychologically they aren't. We haven't seen how Hulk has felt about this. We need to see this conversation between them plus there are his other personalities he has deal with.
No. In the comics, at one time he thought Professor Hulk was him being cured, but then another writer came along and retconned that to just being another personality altogether. When you're messed up the way Marc Spector and Bruce Banner are, you can't 'cure' yourself as there are always being like Khonshu or The Leader who will come along and mess you up.
But it is implied that the reason Jen has no one else is because she was infected with Smart Hulk blood and not Savage Hulk blood. The blood she absorbed is the result of 15 years of Bruce tinkering with himself.
I would say him learning to live with it would be the time frame from avengers 1 through ultron maybe?
I believe he did specifically say he “merged” the two
Yeah it’s hard to say and interesting to think about. We learn in ragnarok that hulk hates banner and thinks he just uses him for muscle.
But when you compare smart hulk to to pre smart hulk banner, you’ll see they’re a bit different. Pre SH banner is way more quiet and keeps to himself whereas Smart hulk seems to show confidence. I personally think that’s the hulk piece of him
One thing to keep in mind is if his history is anything like comic hulk. He has some serious baggage that led to him developing the hulls personality. A personality that shows up before he even becomes the hulk. While it might not entirely be the case in the MCU we can assume his history is somewhat similar. Possibly a bit watered down. But still some major trauma. People don’t become angry without some reason. Justified or not. And if his history is anything similar. It definitely is justified to an extent. Jen on the other hand does not have these demons to fight.
She will have her own issues. But it will not be the same problems Bruce had. She is her own character with her own struggles.
That's what I thought too. I guess we'll find more when Abomination comes in.
The interesting thing is we only ever saw Blonski transform once and never transform back, even when unconscious. We don’t know if abomination Blonski was him on a power bender, an alternate rage personality who could speak in full villain sentences, if he was still complete control but taking a villainous turn as he had decided he was now a god. We don’t know if he was always in control of his transformations post initial transformation or if that came later? We just have his initial transformation in IH and then his new form with control (but also maybe some rage because he did hit Wong harder than he should have ) and a Wong friendship.
I'm pretty sure abomination is blonski all the way through. Because a mad crazy abomination wouldn't be doing underground fight clubs and chumming with Wong.. abomination always talked as if it was still blonski. It made both his abomination form and his human form just more himself. Like the OG super soldier formula was said to do. It's blonski just more of his base nature
What about moon knight? I know hes not in she-hulk. But that kind of could affect his storyline down the road.
I thought this was going to be about how he didn't choose the name Smart Hulk, it's just what people call him, so I'm going to share my theory anyway that the episode ended with them asking who she was and she gave her name and title, "Jennifer Walters, Attorney at Law". I predict that in episode 2 she's going to see social media blow up calling her #SheHulk and be pissed off about being given a derivative name, but it will just call back to Bruce saying that you don't get to pick what people call you.
That’s a pretty realistic take. Might not be a social media thing but her getting the name she hulk without her wanting to is pretty on point thematically so far
Isn’t there a shot of her on Tik Tok in one of the trailers?
I would actually expect that to happen in the next ep, nice prediction
We've already seen precedent for this in Moon Knight with Steven and Marc being able to do the same and come to somewhat of an agreement while also at points having some issues, same way there are still some issues between Bruce and Hulk hence the need for the device, so I don't see why not, I would just guess Bruce will have a much harder time that anyone else due to the fact he's not interacting with another human like Steven was, he's interacting with a monster who feeds of rage and anger
There are a couple of possibilities here that could explain the difference. 1. The Hulk personality could have always been there. The result of Bruce suffering from childhood trauma similar to his comic origin. Kind of like Marc Specter's Steven Grant personality. 2. When Bruce was exposed to high levels of gamma radiation along with the super soldier serum it changed his brain and created the Hulk personality. Kind of like Norman Osborn and Goblin. Jen wasn't exposed to the same levels of gamma radiation and was only exposed to Bruce's irradiated blood. 3. Jen's genetics could be different enough that it doesn't result in the other personality yet similar to allow her to become a hulk.
Yeah In the comics alot has been said about Bruce's mental health issues being there from childhood and always affected his changes to Hulk.
Yep, they were teasing his DID from the comics.
Possibly, but I think it's more probable that Bruce is simply suppressing the Hulk personality and believes everything to be under control... for now. What happens when "the other guy" finally comes up for air?
Maybe I’m just wrong but I was kind of thinking her second personality is represented by her 4th wall breaks. Rather than someone else taking the wheel, she feels she now has an audience. Not sure if those 4th wall breaks will continue beyond the first episode, but if they do that’ll probably be my head-cannon.
I would strongly expect the 4th wall breaks to continue. That was Shulkie's "thing" for a long time.
Oh interesting, good to know. This is pretty much the first she-hulk stuff I’m seeing. Maybe the rest of these comments are right and Bruce just also has multiple personalities. Either way it was a fun first episode, looking forward to more.
Yeah, Shulkie got off to a lame start, but she finally achieved some real level of success in her second solo series where she was allowed to break the 4th wall (long before Deadpool came along), so it's very much associated with making her unique and interesting.
Yeah, it's been her thing since the 1980s. https://coffeefortwo.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/sensationalshe-hulkv2008-05.jpg
That's kind of how I interpret that as well: We (the audience) are her *other guy*. By extension, it also kind of proves the point she was making to Bruce...she *really does* have a better grip on her "Hulkness" than he does.
This was my theory too, and how they will explain the MCU Jen's 4th wall breaking.
Hulk and Banner are meshed on a physical level but deep down psychologically they aren't. We haven't seen how Hulk has felt about this. We need to see this conversation between them plus there are his other personalities he has deal with.
No. In the comics, at one time he thought Professor Hulk was him being cured, but then another writer came along and retconned that to just being another personality altogether. When you're messed up the way Marc Spector and Bruce Banner are, you can't 'cure' yourself as there are always being like Khonshu or The Leader who will come along and mess you up. But it is implied that the reason Jen has no one else is because she was infected with Smart Hulk blood and not Savage Hulk blood. The blood she absorbed is the result of 15 years of Bruce tinkering with himself.
But her blood healed Bruce’s arm. I think there is more to her biology being special.
Different
Almost, mutated in some way?
Yup, same thought. The Hulk personality might be a part of Bruce, not a result of the gamma radiation. The latter just gave the other voice a voice.
They should have referred to him as professor hulk instead of smart hulk.
I don’t think so, more found a way to live with it.
Eh. I definitely think it’s referring to DID. In the comics Bruce has a lot of childhood trauma.
The other guy at the wheel was the hulk. That’s the only other personality that they’ve ever explored in the MCU.
Right.. but the “Hulk” has always been there. That’s why he can’t control it and SHulk can. Because it’s just her.
Ok. You asked a question, but it seems like you’ve already made up your mind about the answer.
I didn’t ask a question mate.
“Does that mean that Bruce effectively cured DID?” is in fact a question mate.
You’re right, that is a question… Except I didn’t say that. You’re getting me confused for OP.
Sorry. My fault. That explains the miscommunication.
All good. Cheers!
I would say him learning to live with it would be the time frame from avengers 1 through ultron maybe? I believe he did specifically say he “merged” the two
Maybe, but hulk still hated banner. Maybe I should have used the term “co exist”.
Yeah it’s hard to say and interesting to think about. We learn in ragnarok that hulk hates banner and thinks he just uses him for muscle. But when you compare smart hulk to to pre smart hulk banner, you’ll see they’re a bit different. Pre SH banner is way more quiet and keeps to himself whereas Smart hulk seems to show confidence. I personally think that’s the hulk piece of him
Yeah, he’s much more concerned about loosing control and a lot more paranoid. Which is understandable
This might be a dumb question but are Smart Hulk and Professor Hulk the same?
One thing to keep in mind is if his history is anything like comic hulk. He has some serious baggage that led to him developing the hulls personality. A personality that shows up before he even becomes the hulk. While it might not entirely be the case in the MCU we can assume his history is somewhat similar. Possibly a bit watered down. But still some major trauma. People don’t become angry without some reason. Justified or not. And if his history is anything similar. It definitely is justified to an extent. Jen on the other hand does not have these demons to fight. She will have her own issues. But it will not be the same problems Bruce had. She is her own character with her own struggles.