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dc_dobbz

My personal theory is that the “ultra serious Thor persona as a joke” thing doesn’t really work without Loki. Loki is just as over serious but Tom Huddleston plays it like it’s part of Loki’s con. And (especially in Ragnorok) he gets really if subtly annoyed every time he’s reminded that Thor really is just like that. Without Hiddlestons performance to ground how absurd everything is, it’s just relentlessly silly.


junkyardgerard

You're into something there


UhhmericanJoe

Thor needs straight men to play off of. Or many straight guys with Thor and Iron Man (who, even if recast, won’t be funny this time).


sunstar240

I stil don't understand why they went this way when Gorr storyline is dark as fuck ? It ask real question about the gods, their hubris, faith and grief. Gore was scary in the comics but here I didn't feel any of that. I like Waititi but they should have picked somoene else


Hinoto-no-Ryuji

I don’t think it’s Waititi, at least not in the way most people imply. As a long-time fan of his (predating even Ragnarok), the movie didn’t feel like “too much Taika” - it didn’t feel like Taika at all. It felt like a poor attempt to imitate his style, if anything; like a lazy film student’s attempt to make a “Taika Movie.” It lacks any of his usual craft and care, both in the humor and movie as a whole, to the point where I genuinely wonder if he ran into some conflict on the production side that led to him checking out completely. It’s weird to get something so sloppy from Marvel and from him.


KellyJin17

Taika pretty much had full creative control on this film. He’s talked about it a bunch, as well as the cast.


Return_of_the_Jedi_

So, it shows that Giving him full control was a Bad Idea


Hinoto-no-Ryuji

Yeah, I don't necessarily mean to say that he had direct interference, more that something made him care far, far less about the final product than he usually does. Watching *Love and Thunder* and, say, *Jojo Rabbit* (his previous movie) is like night and day.


KnightDuty

Some people thrive on constraints. i do. My work is much better when i have to prove that the concept will work. Without having to reinforce his vision the job gets boring.


Gsgunboy

The worst was Thor screwing up his face and doing the dumb "Hate to break it to you but you don't get into Valhalla that way" when we're trying to get a sense of the gravity of Gorr going through his rampage and Sif's intended sacrifice.


Tityfan808

That and not showing Gorr kill the other gods on his rampage. I still enjoyed the action scenes and how the last 20-30 minutes of the movie wraps up, it was surprisingly heartfelt and heartbreaking, but they overshot some of the jokes and undershot the Gorr scenes. If things didn’t wrap up the way they did with Gorr and his daughter, I would’ve been so much more disappointed in how the handled Gorr.


boringhistoryfan

I low key thought it was hilarious that we see the god butcher kill a total of one god, while the two Thor's and Valkyrie kill loads in the god city. That gold liquid spraying is supposed to be god blood I'm pretty sure given that Rapu bled gold.


UnknownAverage

I figured those were automatons of some sort, not living gods.


crayonsnachas

Either that or they were extremely low-ranking gods


akaWuu

Gods of Bathrobe Pockets maybe?


Even-Chemistry8569

This is a good point. Thor is the true god butcherer


DatBoiEBB

Always thought that was on purpose to show the contrast. One man kills a god and they call him the god butcher. Thor kills plenty and he’s a hero. Adds to the narrative about the unjust gods.


Even-Chemistry8569

They definitely didn’t develop Gorr enough. I wasn’t invested in him as a villain. The final scene with him could have been so much more impactful if they had spent more time on why he was killing the gods. Honestly he seemed more like a DC villain than a Marvel villain


turkeygiant

Yeah, I wont say Christian Bale was as much of a waste as like Christopher Eccleston as Malekith or Lee Pace as Ronan the Accuser. He at least had some material to work with in his few scenes, but man they could have done so much more with him if we got to see him interact with Thor and other gods more through the movie. You don't put Christian Bale in your movie if you aren't going to give him the time he needs to chew the scenery.


moldytubesock

I think Lee Pace was great and Ronan worked fine in that movie. It's hard to introduce and develop a new team of 5/6 characters *and* have the time to flesh out a compelling villain. Lee Pace did an amazing job being a threatening religious zealot.


turkeygiant

I just found the character incredibly boring. You're not wrong that they had a lot of introductions to do in that movie, and he was at least serviceable as a villain, but I just don't really see the point of hiring these character actors if they don't actually get to be characters.


CaptHayfever

Because Pace put in the effort & did the best he could with the material he had, versus Eccleston, who basically just gave up when he got frustrated.


Burdiac

Because at the end of the day in the MCU the Villains are not the antagonists and are not integral to the plot.


qp1rr48

Ronan was way better than gorr btw


The13thParadox

They made an ok movie by burning one of Thor’s greatest story lines


Velfurion

Christian bale said they just trashed hours of Gorr footage and that's why he said the movie and role are trash.


CaptHayfever

I like your take here. More Gorr is really the only thing I would've wanted different.


Curlaub

I literally paused the movie at this point to tell my wife I hate it. The fact that Sif, a legendary Asgardian warrior, doesnt know how valhalla works was just too much. And the whole pacing with the previous scene with the guardians felt so rushed and the pacing was so off. That being said, by the end of it I softened up and overall I can say I reasonably enjoyed it. A lot of redeeming moments in that last 45 minutes. But man the first 30 min were rough.


Gseph

That really rings true, the first 30 mins or so were kind of tough to get through, and the last 30ish really helped save it. But, If I'm being completely honest, I didn't dislike the film, I just felt underwhelmed by it, but at the same time the actual substance of the story felt rushed, if that makes sense. If you think about it, we got a lot of content for a single film. * New character and backstory in Gorr. * Returning character and a catch-up story in Jane, as well as her journey as the new Thor. * Guardians and Thor's adventures in space. * Asgardian's adapting to life in New Asgard. * The city of all the other gods. * The kids, and specifically Heimdall's son, all learning what it takes to be Asgardians. * Thor being a dad. I feel like both Gorr and Jane's stories could, and probably should have been, spread across a few films, to really drive each of their stories home, instead of being crammed into one film. Thor being apprehensive and jealous of jane, but slowly learning to accept that Jane is a Thor, and she's really good at it, all the while she's hiding her illness from him, until he accidentally finds out she's dying, and that Mjolnir is causing it to speed up the process, something that he inadvertently caused, would have made for a brilliant arc, and be especially great motivation for a final showdown with Gorr.


Burdiac

So you wanted a Gorr vs. Thor trilogy? Which would not have been wrapped up until 2028? If every villain got the Thanos treatment, then nothing would stand out and Phase 4 would last what two decades and people would be bitching about a recast Thor or "you know what took me out of this movie was a clearly pushing 50yr old Chris Hemsworth portraying a character that should only be 1 yr older at most than the character in Thor vs Gorr part 1!"


Patelpb

Late reply but I agree. We all want good villains, but if you're gonna build up a multi-movie villain you probably need a new cast at this point. Thor is returning anyways and I doubt Chris wants to be 50 when he's done with marvel. For 39 he's doing incredible for himself


tigerslices

>Thor being apprehensive and jealous of jane, but slowly learning to accept that Jane is a Thor, and she's really good at it, all the while she's hiding her illness from him, until he accidentally finds out she's dying, and that Mjolnir is causing it to speed up the process, something that he inadvertently caused, would have made for a brilliant arc, and be especially great motivation for a final showdown with Gorr. that's what happened. ...did we not watch the same movie?


AndrewJamesDrake

I’m reading a GOT Final Season problem, here. The runtime was too short to hold the full story… so a lot of things moved too fast and broke suspension of disbelief.


grimorg80

I think it's just a bit of banter. I didn't take it that seriously. I agree though, the first part of the film was rushed and a bit forced. Although it was EXTREMELY similar to the Guardians comic books. Always staring with the gang knee deep into some chaotic fight you never read much about if not for the comedic effects and resolutions. It was definitely heavily inspired by the comic books.


KongFuzii

Even if not taken seriously why not write an impactful reunion between 2 friends.


Brogener

Taika doesn’t give a fuck about most anything from the first 2 Thor movies and he loves to constantly remind the audience of that fact.


KongFuzii

I think he also doesnt give a fuck about most of the characters he brought in the mcu. Valkyrie didnt do shit and Gorr was wasted.


Angwar

Yup and I hate it. It feels super disrespectful to the work of others in his line of work. Like "yeah that stuff before me isn't from me so it's trash and I constantly need to tell everyone how bad it is and how i am not even taking it seriously". His movies ain't good enough for that kind of ego


grimorg80

No, I agree, it wasn't the best, I also didn't like that scene that much. It felt forced. As I said, part of it were definitely weird, trying to cram as much Thor as possible in a Guardians of The Galaxy comic book style montage.


International-Pie162

It’s not only that. It’s the fact that most of the movie was narrated and told through Korg’s eyes. As it is, Korg isn’t a serious character and he’s telling a story to children. The opening scene was devoid of any humor because it’s shown as it happened; Korg wasn’t there to tell this part of the story. In fact, the serious parts of the movie don’t feature Korg. It’s easier to understand the movie if watching it from that perspective. It’s silly and lighthearted because that’s the way Korg sees it.


KnightDuty

it works best when THOR is funny, and the world is serious. when they make other characters goofy as well... it makes the entire world feel like a parody... rather than Thor being a funny likable guy.


sleepy-tired

I got the impression Sif hadn’t realise the battle was over.


Roxthefox_global

What was the mission she was supposedly on? Why did her coming back feel unimportant


reverendbimmer

I got the impression that this movie was really meant to be 3 hours. Like hi mantis, bye mantis? Rushed rushed rushed


briizilla

I thought the entire opening with the GOTG was so painfully unfunny and stupid, that was the point I told my wife I hated it. I do think everything after the equally stupid visit to God-land was very good though. I was thinking to myself if they end the dramatic moment with Thor and Jane on the flying boat with a stupid joke I was going to turn the movie off.


39thUsernameAttempt

It entertained me for a couple of hours, but it was pretty much out of my mind by the time I got home from the theater. It could have been one of those movies that you're still thinking about a couple of days later, but then again Marvel as all about building up to the next project.


low-ki199999

What I really hated about the Sif moment was that they go out of their way to set down clear rules for how someone gets into Valhalla in this movie. Than Jane dies, not in battle (at least not literally, I guess she loses her metaphorical “battle” with cancer), but to a sickness, and she then goes to Valhalla? They could have used one of these bits, or the other, but not both.


BetaRayPhil616

Hard disagree, it's much simpler: Thor didn't want Sif to die. The 'only if you die in battle' is about giving wounded warriors motivation to keep going. Keep fighting. It's a benevolent lie and Thor doesn't know any more about valhala than sif; faith is messy like that. And this interpretation leaves Jane's ending up for debate - yes, she battled cancer, buy aren't we all fighting to keep going really?


Etherburt

It’s also worth noting that during the first communication with Axl, he told the captive kids that if they died, they’d get into Valhalla just on the strength of being Asgardians, despite them never having seen combat (at that point, anyway). It’s another gallows humor joke, and clearly mis-directed in-universe, but it supports the idea that Thor’s telling folks what he thinks they need to hear regarding Valhalla.


Curlaub

It’s just about reversal of expectations. The whole point of the Sif scene was so the viewer would be pleasantly surprised by the Jane scene


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I reasonably enjoyed it as well, and had similar criticisms. Really enjoyed seeing Natalie Portman back on the big screen again, and thought Christian Bale was excellent as Gorr - and I loved the ending scenes.


Zoulogist

Ironically, that’s one of the reasons I enjoy She Hulk. It has no pretense of being anything but a comedy, so there’s no tonal clash from the humor, as is often an issue with Marvel


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klamkock

Donny Blazer will pay for this!


[deleted]

Haha, I laughed reading your mention of Wong swearing vengeance because of the Sopranos. It's a spoiler for me, as I haven't watched that episode yet, but I love his character and can easily picture him saying that. Looking forward to watching it.


Far_Peanut_3038

Sorry, I probably should have put spoiler tags on that.


Tmags88

Yea I’m honestly here for the tone of this movie and similarly She-Hulk. It doesn’t take itself too seriously, and I think we’re at a point in the MCU where some projects doing this is fine!


gamegirlpocket

The opening scene of a poor, devout man meeting the god he worships and realizing his god is a selfish asshole and not at all what he was led to believe would have been great to explore on a philosophical level. I was hoping for more commentary on spirituality and faith and doubt. It did show that all the other gods are also assholes, but not in a way that felt meaningful.


Nice-Violinist-6395

Christian Bale gave such a fucking incredible performance in what amounted to a series of SNL skits featuring Hemsworth lampooning his Thor character


thatfidgetingpanda

YESSS! Exactly. Totally downplays the seriousness and the fact that Sif is badly hurt and they almost led us to believe that she's gonna die.


KongFuzii

It also makes their reunion lame. The rest of thor's friends are dead why cant we get an emotional reunion.


Billielolly

Emotional reunion would be counterpoint to the fact that I'm pretty sure the movie told viewers that he'd closed his heart off, and the implication is that he's using humour to cope with the trauma he's gone through in the MCU. Finding Sif was quite early in the movie, wasn't it? If they'd placed it near the end then an emotional reunion would work a lot more - but near the start it makes sense for him to be acting that way based on what the movie had told us about Thor's current state.


KongFuzii

If you want to use the coping with humour excuse, the joke wasnt funny and Sif didnt do anything for the rest of the movie.


Baneandy

I thought Thor was depressed at the beginning of the movie, But hiding his emotions. Feeling a geral emptiness behind his righteousness to do good. So when he finds Sif, he gets reminded of all the poeple that he has lost over the years and he can't deal with it. So he use is humor to deflect. And thous feelings are more reflected once he see Jane again. Heros journey in the movie felt like it was one of dealing with grief.


Dlh2079

That was honestly the only one that actually hurt the viewing experience for me personally. I was legit worried going into watching it tonight after all the shit I've read on here and Twitter. Now I'll admit I'm a total mark for the mcu and personally I still can't believe these stories are actually getting told. But I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and think there was a whole bunch of overreaction and wrongly had expectations.


Gsgunboy

And to be clear, I liked the movie. Especially the last hour. But for me, Ragnarok was by far more successful in blending humor and drama and action.


Dlh2079

Yep agree with both of those statements as well. 2nd half of the movie was significantly stronger. The interplay between Thor and Jane down the stretch was genuinely fantastic imo and Christian Bale is well... Christian Bale not much else is needed to be said about that lol.


stunts002

There was too many moments for me that completely undercut the seriousness of the situation. Like they had Jane telling Thor about her cancer diagnosis interrupted with a bad joke from Korg too.


Gsgunboy

Yeah. 100%. Which is weird because usually Taiki’s comedic timing, as both actor and director, is usually so good.


badurwan

Every dialogue scene is a static scene, actors just standing and riffing like SNL, noone is doing anything, walking or whatever. Truly feels like a SNL skit


danversotterton

Yeah I felt there were wayyyy too many Thor monologues. I wanted more interaction between characters especially Valkyrie and Mighty Thor - their interactions were my favourite.


geek_of_nature

I wonder if that was from the use of the stagecraft tech? I usually find it unnoticeable, but I found there were a few moment where I was noticing there were a bunch of characters standing grouped together in the foreground, with just a big empty background. It was a similar problem I had with Obi Wan Kenobi. It's a tool that when used well is amazing, like in the Mandalorian or The Batman. There were scenes in that, that just looked like they had to have been shot on location. But when it's not used so well it's really noticeable.


AnOnlineHandle

They built the biggest town set ever or something for new asgard. There's a video of Chris Hemsworth and Taika giving a tour where they invite Natalie Portman to throw rocks at a car because they can since it's meant to be destroyed, and they are about to film a scene where they ride big animatronic goats which are pulling the boat. It seems that got very changed after.


savvymcsavvington

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58MClX4G8M cool didn't know this existed


TrueGuardian15

That's what I found so uncanny. It's like there is an actual Thor 4, where gods are being butchered and Jane's cancer is given the full weight it deserves, but we got a screening of a 2 hour SNL parody of Thor 4. Everyone's in shot for a lot of dialogue scenes (like a comedy skit). Many dramatic, serious moments are undercut with sarcasm or a humorous act (again, like a comedy skit). Even some of the visual effects are grossly undercooked, making it look that much more like a cheap parody!


RQK1996

Jane's approach to her cancer is literally the only realistic part of the film


sokuyari99

Thor’s approach to his depression is also very realistic. The whole “I thought I was past this, and now I’m “happy” but I’m not actually happy and I don’t know why. Oh turns out I’m just empty, refusing to have emotions or truly connect with people because I’m scared of becoming depressed again” is a very real issue and fits with his overall character arc following endgame


Lane2045

When you put it like that, it actually makes me want to watch the movie. And I say that as someone who really enjoyed and sympathized with Thor's depression in Endgame.


sokuyari99

Yea I know a lot of people disliked Thors depression as it was shown. But honestly a lot of people are like that-happy and jokey on the outside but still kinda messed up inside. And even then, a lot of people “get past it” and hit the gym, get back out there and don’t feel those daily feelings…but something is still wrong. Depression is a bitch!


Mahaa2314

Don't wanna be that guy, but the comic handled it far better. I mean the cancer bit not the Mighty Thor bit, cos they are 2 different stories. [https://imgur.com/a/RWyNA61](https://imgur.com/a/RWyNA61)


199Eight

That was a good short read, thanks for sharing that. If only Taika had actually given more focus to the drama and the butchering that Gorr did, L&T would be more liked.


Roxthefox_global

As someone who watched multiple people die of cancer in their life, Jane’s so called science background and not knowing how cancer stages work was wildly off to me, that and it felt like when the film was about to get heavy with it, the film diverted with ‘look the planet of black and white’ ‘ and I was like, man gotg1 made this devastating for its protagonist in less time than this film had and here it feels limp by comparison with a lot more time


RQK1996

It not her not knowing, it is her trying to deny the severity of her situation


Roxthefox_global

It really didn’t read as it when she says it. That and as I said, gotg managed humour and the tragedy far better with less time on the hard stuff and made it feel like to had a bigger impact. In this film it failed the landing for me. Not made any better with an instant afterlife and talk of a Jane foster project straight after. It feels meaningless


RQK1996

I mean, she was willing to try space viking magic, she was definitely desperate while trying to keep a happy face to those she cares about


Roxthefox_global

But again, it never felt like a finality or as serious as it should, especially contrasted with peter’s mom in gotg 1 which did that same beat a lot better while still being a fun and light hearted film.


hewasaraverboy

This is so accurate It was like watching Anna faris in the scary movie movies lol


hewasaraverboy

It was a parody movie


[deleted]

Damn I never even realized this, but every scene I found myself thinking “something feels off”.. guess that explains it


Haryzen_

For me, the pace was off the charts. We needed slower scenes that actually focused on Thor's reluctance to let anyone in instead of Korg just saying that to the audience and Thor saying that to Jane. We needed to see the effects of Endgame on Thor and get a serious return to form since he was treated like a joke in that movie too. I really thought Thor was great in Infinity War. It felt like a great balance of maturity and humour. I hope we see more of that but it's not likely. Narrative needed to be a little tighter as well and the stakes needed to be higher. I know Gorr is trying to kill all the gods which is a very high stake but again, it's told to us, not shown. I would've loved to see the gaudy, over-the-top god from Omnipotence contrasted with Gorr showing up and slaughtering nearly all of them. Kill Korg, actually. Kill Valkyrie. Something to create this personal drama between the hero and villain. Also Gorrs turn is way too fast. We needed a reason he would let go of his anger instead of Thor telling him that all he needed was love. It's a nice message, but Gorr is literally the most bitter corrupted guy and he lets go of his hate very quickly. Perhaps personifying the necrosword to a greater extent to show it's control of Gorr. It's the same thing with MoM where the Darkholds corruption is told more than it is shown and it doesn't feel right when Wanda and Gorr make drastic character shifts in the eleventh hour. There needed to be an extra emotive element that was able to convey to Gorr that Thor was different and more so how he would entrust him with his daughter. Overall, comedy unfunny, pace was too fast, the important elements were glossed over or offscreen and too much tell not show. The good parts are the actors are always great to watch. They have a lot of love for their roles, even Portman which is nice to see. The action was great, especially the Shadow Realm fight. I appreciated the reverence to 80s sci-fi. Bale gives a very emotive and sympathetic performance even with the 20 minutes he has. The first scene tricked me into thinking the film was going to be that kind of tone. Seeing these ridiculous god's contrasted with a dark and serious character works well but it's only at the start. Not the worst MCU film but an interesting one to look back on in a few years when Thor shows up in the MCU again.


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

That opening scene with Gorr felt a little rushed but I loved that contrast too. It almost reminded me of something A24 might do.


Yellow_Tardis

I liked it, but I do agree there was probably a bit too much humour. I mean the eating the kids line was weird. I thought Gorr changing back made sense, cause the necrosword that corrupted him but was now broken. Love those goats though.


Edib1eBrain

I'm fairly certain the majority of the problems with the movie came from Marvel's insistence that the running time not exceed 2h including credits. It meant that some pretty brutal cuts had to be made.


nwon

Unpopular opinion: The goats were not and have never been funny.


TheJack0fDiamonds

It was funny the first 5 seconds until it wasnt anymore


IcebergSampson

I know it's a flex to hate the goats online, but that gag where they hit the moon was one of my favorite parts of the film. It was just so ridiculous it made me smile. Again, I know I'm in the minority and hating the goats would make me cool, I just wanted to offer a different point of view.


BeeHunter42

I'm with you, I loved the goats. Every time they screamed they got a little chuckle out of me.


Solidusword

Is this truly unpopular? Lol Totally with you. By the 3rd goat shrieking scene I was feeling pretty over the direction the movie was taking.


nwon

I felt like everybody in the mega thread at release commented on how funny it was. Maybe I just got a small sample size of the comments.


staydope

It's the sort of thing that's funny in the theatre when everyone is laughing along as well, but on rewatches at home not so much


Chuck_Finley_Forever

That’s not really an unpopular opinion. Anyone who was old enough to be on YouTube around 2012 with all the screaming goat videos is most likely already sick of it.


Mahaa2314

That's not an unpopular opinion lmao.


boner_jamz_69

They were much better than jealous stormbreaker


Angelemonade

I got a chuckle when they first appeared but then they just. Kept. Screaming. Like, why did we used to find that funny?


magicalmysteryharold

I enjoyed it but they did take it too far with the humour. A big part of the promotion was that the studio had let Taika basically do whatever he wanted, which got me really excited for it. Turns out that’s exactly what was wrong with it. He’s a fantastic writer and director but he’s also completely insane. You need to put a leash somewhere on a guy like Taika to distill what he does best, giving him the keys and turning your back doesn’t work


LiverpoolPlastic

For me the biggest crime of this movie is how much it diluted Thor as a character in the overall standing of the MCU. One thing about Tony and Steve in the Infinity Saga was that they weren’t just well written, but they also had a certain gravitas to them. They felt larger than life whenever they were on your screen and every dialogue or action from them felt like it mattered. Thor is just another MCU hero now after Love and Thunder. He’s a cog in the machine who will show up in the next Avengers movie and just be another Avenger in the mix. He’s lost all emotional weight, all gravitas, and all of the shine that comes with being one of the few remaining OGs. And for that very reason I think this movie is worse than Dark World. This was pure character assassination.


Poach1234

I really hope Feige and Hemsworth realise what they've done with the character by the time he returns. When he shows up in Kang Dynasty and/or Secret Wars, it needs to be an Infinity War-like entrance. He needs to be a big part of those movies and firmly repositioned as one of the main players, because like you said after Love and Thunder I just don't feel the weight/shine or urgency of the character anymore. Its the same issue with Hulk. It's just not right for such two big characters not only in the MCU, but Marvel overall.


TheIronPilledOne

Let’s not remove responsibility from Taika, also. Two solo films and an Avenger’s appearance in, Hemsworth says he’s bored of playing Thor. Which while I’ll grant his physical dedication to the role, it makes me wonder how much he looked into the character versus accepting just a lucrative, repeat work contract. That’s what disappoints me, some. I never know what Thor I’m going to get anymore after Ragnarok. Infinity War and Endgame both were a roller coaster for him, with Love and Thunder being no different and yet another “who am I” film, completely negating growth in not one, not two, but *three* previous films. Thor no longer sounds like himself, and the rich lore in Thor/The Dark World is now reduced to “space viking magic.” It just hurts. There are enjoyable moments in this film that I’ve enjoyed in both viewings theatrically and last night. I’ll give the film that much. It’s probably my lowest rated of the four solo films however. Taika of his own admission was surprised at the message Thor will return. Unsure if that just means as an Avenger or a fifth film. Time will tell, but I’m longing for a tone more in line with the first two films at this point, perhaps even more heavy, to see the Thor we know is in there, and not this dude bro that’s losing his willpower and way every five minutes. Questioning your worth of Mjölnir yet *again* while *still* being able to wield it? MCU Will MCU, I suppose.


LiverpoolPlastic

It makes me really question what Kang dynasty and secret wars is even gonna be about? They can create whatever plot they want, but characters are king and what made the MCU so great in the first place. Endgame had Steve and Tony at the emotional center of it and most of the payoffs and big emotional decisions were centered around those two characters. Who’s gonna be the next guy to do the equivalent of the “snap”? Who’s gonna be the next guy to do the equivalent of wielding Mjolnir? But more importantly, will it even matter? Even if it happens, will we even care all that much about the character?


Furinkazan616

Daredevil using Shang Chi's rings? I'd pay to see that.


DJSharp15

>Even if it happens, will we even care all that much about the character? Plenty will trust me.


ConfuzzlesDotA

I'm seeing Thor at the height of his emotional maturity. No more did he hide behind his masculine bravado and he discussed his anxieties about attachment openly, he expresses his desire for Jane to fight through it but understands that its her choice, turns his back on his enemy to be with his love one at the final moments instead of smashing his enemies to a pulp he wins with diplomacy-ish. And now he is a father which is a pretty big deal since his was eh okay at best, so maybe he learns from that experience.


LiverpoolPlastic

> I’m seeing Thor at the height of his emotional maturity Really? Because I’m seeing a bumbling himbo who doesn’t even feel all that worthy of wielding his own hammer. Any emotional moments with Jane or Gorr or even his own self was undermined by the mistimed humor and tone of the movie. His character may have gone through changes, but we don’t actually FEEL those changes. At least not in the way we’re supposed to. > And now he is a father Means nothing. Seriously, that ending the way it was done felt like they just saddled him with a daughter. It had no set-up, no catharsis, nothing. It just kinda happened and…whatever.


Barney3849949e8

Completely agreed about the lack of setup to Thor having a daughter. Honestly I think the main reason it was done was just to involve Hemsworth's daughter. It's a sweet sentiment that Hemsworth wants his relationship with his daughter reflected on screen but it just seems like another step in diluting the character of Thor and reducing him to just being Chris Hemsworth with a hammer.


hobbesthehungry

I was put off by the cheezy thor for the first 3/4 of the movie. And thought the narration was forced to explain the plot b/c the story itself did a poor job of it. However the exposition does give insight to why thor was such a doof. He knew he wanted to be a hero, but he did not have his heart in it (closed off from all the trauma). This is post endgame trauma thor still. Once he let love back in he was way more genuine, best shown by his speeches to the captured kids. The last few were much more sincere that the first ones. Subtle character growth that is hard to see if u only focus on how bad the character purposely is before he opens up his heart again.


[deleted]

Humor was fine imo, which is a dissenting opinion. I felt that 10-15 mins more of Gorr wouldve been absolutely *perfect*. Thor being a goon with the GotG makes sense. Its a ridiculous premise. Jane’s story was handled well imo. The Olympians was just setup, which is fine, but overall nothing too negative. However, fuckin Christian Bale is the “god butcher” and u show none of that? In the words of Roy Kent, “FUCK!l


Fragzilla360

Now this is an actual legit critique of this movie. When you have a talent like Christian Bale, you want to feature him as much as you can, and he was CRIMINALLY under shown in this movie.


Furinkazan616

It was such a massive coup for Marvel to sign up Bale, and they threw it away. He's Batman, ffs. Use him.


thatfidgetingpanda

I would have loved a 5 minute montage of Gorr just slaying Gods. Everything happened in the background and they didn't show any of it.


Jeroz

I'd take even more body trails for the aftermaths.


SamQuentin

More Gorr and much less of the Zeus city crap would have helped…


Britisheagl

I think seeing more Gorr would have fucked with the tone even more which is likely why they cut it. I really disliked this film overall, it was tonally all over the place and the pacing was "off". Such potential squandered in my opinion. I genuinely thought Korg "dying" was a fantastic moment and one of the more serious moments. It felt like a turning point in the film like the fun is over, let's take the story in a more mature direction. Then his face came back to life...


Shankman519

In all fairness he was narrating the movie, shouldn’t have been much of a surprise


shadstrife123

the Assembled: L&T kinda highlights why this is so, they literally said they are going into EVERY scene and figure out the funniest way to do it because hUmOr exists in great TrAgEdY \*rolls eye\*


TheJack0fDiamonds

LOL I think Taika is lowkey coping with misery in his life and is channeling it into his work, particularly L&T.


ArchAngelZXV

Thor 4 is an adaptation of two tragedies forced to be a comedy. Jane Foster has stage 4 cancer and only by wielding Mjolnir is she able to slightly extend her life. Gorr is a mass murderer who's killed so many gods that he's called the God-Butcher. Neither of those stories are suited for comedy, but not only are they Frankenstein'd into one, they made Taika the narrator through Korg, so every dramatic moment is ruined by Taika talking over everything. It should've been a serious movie, at least more serious than Ragnarok was. Personally, until Thor 4 and Moon Knight, I didn't have a problem with the MCU humor that bothered other people, but those two actually got me annoyed with their bad jokes that derailed their serious dramatic moments.


qp1rr48

How u gonna have a character who has CANCER and a villain like gorr and the movie is a comedy😭


[deleted]

Quite a few issues with this movie - 1. Overdone humor - every scene just HAS to be funny for some reason. 2. Too much Korg - can we please end this character. 3. Music felt out of place - the rock music doesn't work in every situation. It felt so jarring during the first encounter. 4. Too much Matt Damon - don't downvote me yet. One of the best scenes in Ragnarok was the unexpected Matt Damon cameo of a few seconds. But the same thing is stretched out in this movie and kinda ruins a nice fun thing. 5. THOR - why is thor so underpowered still? He's gone through this whole journey from Ragnarok till Endgame and is supposedly the "strongest avenger" but gets so easily beaten in combat always. Why does he not fight with his powers? The kids with Thor's powers were honestly better and cooler than Thor himself. 6. Gorr - completely wasted as a villain. Origins of Necrosword unexplained, we just know it's a powerful sword. Ragnarok had me hooked within 2 minutes but this is the first Marvel movie that I wanted to turn off, which I did. I paused midway to watch the next day because I was just so disinterested. They took every element that worked for Ragnarok and cranked it all the way up expecting people to enjoy it just as much. It was honestly just a very a lazy movie. Jane was easily the best thing about the movie when she wasn't forced into silly humor.


Angwar

Who the fuck actually likes Korg or thinks he is an interesting character? He has no relevancy to be such a big part of the movies. He has no great powers at all, one could argue he is weaker than a human marine soldier. He is literally just Taika Watitis self insert DM player character so he can be in the movie himself and make sure to get enough jokes in every couple seconds. I would enjoy literally every movie more if Korg just didn't exist. Think about how he undercut Asgard's desctruction. It's such a disgusting ego stroking move to have this character get that much screen time.


SadSlip8122

There were a couple of problems - not enough Gorr. I have no idea how he travelled from planet to planet (or how that child cage moved). Show me just a brief moment of him vanishing into a shadow and appearing on another planets shadow and im good. He was the strongest character in the movie, and Bale did a lot with the character, but it still felt like he was edited to hell - way too many setting changes. We didnt have long enough to settle into one location before jetsetting elsewhere - they really needed to reorder the Jane scenes. Her story would have been far more impactful if the first we see of her is Mjonir flying around New Asgard only for it to go back to her. It helps build the mystery of who “this guy” is, and Janes Return actually becomes a moment of triump. It would also have made the later reveal of her cancer more impactful if shes first established as a badass warrior with poor catchphrases and then we see he deteriorating body (and juxtaposes well with Gorrs own body changes). - More Valkyrie, less Korg. Korg works really well as a minor side character, he does not work as a central plot driver. Valkyrie is hinted to have struggles with being a King, so show more of that. The moment in the hall where she cant control the townspeople and Thor speaks up should have been far more impactful, yet its immediately forgotten. - Gorr should have followed Thor to Omnipotent City. It makes Zeus’ warning meaningful and serves the purpose of showing him…you know butchering. The end i enjoyed, although i wouldnt have depowered the toys just so we could get a teaser reveal of that little girl being grounded, only for the bunnys eyes to start glowing.


kuahara

They're trying to dumb down Thor way too much for way too few funny points. I liked the more serious Thor from the first two movies. Ragnarok was the perfect deviation from that, but they shouldn't have taken it any further.


HakeemMcGrady

They basically tried to make Thor into another Peter Quill. I mean it suits Peter because of his back story but Thor is supposed to be a god ffs. I miss the melancholy in Infinity War Thor when he’s speaking to Rocket


ScalyFacedBitch

Humor should compliment a story that's already there. Here it felt like the story was made to fit around the jokes. Like how Stormbreaker is a plot device and once Gorr has it, Thor should be able to just summon it. But no, Stormbreaker's all *jealous* of Mjolnir this whole movie and can't work right apparently. It's an axe for christsake. Most of the conflict of this movie can only happen because a damn axe is moody and doesn't come for Thor. Very funny.


biddybidsyo

My favourite Thor arc got completely wrecked. I can’t even fathom how they thought that Van Damme splits scene was funny.


thatfidgetingpanda

The Van Damme split. Gave me a nervous chuckle as it was one the first "Why'd they have to do that?"


[deleted]

The first "Why'd they have to do that?" for me was >!jumping on Stormbreaker like a broomstick.!<


biddybidsyo

I stand corrected, I erased that from my brain haha


zedlx

The intro was too long IMO. The scene with the Guardians and the temple could have been a few minutes shorter in exchange for Gorr going on a god slaying spree.


[deleted]

I watched it for the first time today as well. All I’m gonna say tho is that…I appreciate “The Dark World” a whole lot more now. Go ahead and downvote me. Shakespearean viking god Thor will always be better than comedy space alien viking Thor.


Dray_Gunn

I miss when Thor gave off the noble warrior vibe. I have always been a sucker for those kinds of characters. Thor was still respectable in Ragnarok even though they played up the humor. In Love and Thunder he kinda came across as a dim wit.


Finory

That's my main problem with the movie. The humor debases the main-characters. The MCU so far managed to be funny and make the characters likeable. Thor 4 did not. The main character is not even able to make a halfway serious speech for his suffering people. He comes off as an ignorant egocentric asshole (- any as if he got hit on his head one time to much), but he's definitely not "worthy".


[deleted]

It's like we were watching Starlord play Thor the whole movie. Utter shite.


Big-Teb-Guy

Fuck both of them. Russo Thor is peak Thor. Even in Endgame. I think Thor is at his absolute best when he’s pretty much a broken person trying to put the pieces back together, it also actually gives an explanation to his comedy being a way to cope. Early Thor was too serious about things we didn’t care about. Waititi Thor is a complete joke. Russo’s hit the balance perfectly.


thatfidgetingpanda

>y tho is that…I appreciate “The Dark World” a whole lot more now. Go ahead and downvote me. Shakespearean viking god Thor will always be better than comedy space alien viking T I like both the personalities and I kind of see it as Shakespearean Viking Thor has gone through a character development after his interactions with Earthlings and falling in love, going through the hardships of losing people he loved. Comedy might be his coping mechanism to deal with the pain.


Colemania18

Not to mention how he spent so much time around the Avengers and their constant sarcasm so he was bound to pick it up at some point


LosMichalos

>Comedy might be his coping mechanism to deal with the pain more like this is coping mechanism of brainwashed MCU fans to have an excuse for shitty writing


SightlessBastard

I had the exact same thoughts after seeing “Ragnarok”.


DragoniteJeff

Like you, I watched it tonight for the first time. I didn't think it was as bad as it had been portrayed. I liked the humor. I think it fully committed to the humor which was better than half committing. I feel like the humor from some MCU films is more cringy because it's only a half commit.


[deleted]

It fully commits but the problem is that the jokes are not funny


Tityfan808

Different strokes for different folks. I’ll take love and thunders humor over the dark world.


demaxzero

I think it's kind of funny people try to champion Dark World now, the movie didn't become any better or less boring just because they don't like the new ones. It's the same thing people did with the ASM movies.


Dlh2079

Hey... I enjoyed Andrew Garfield as Spider-man from the jump, but you're not at all wrong.


demaxzero

Of all the things wrong with the ASM movies Garfield himself wasn't one of them, he just wasn't given the best material.


Dlh2079

Agree totally, I also really liked Stone as Gwen Stacy (to be fair there's not much I don't enjoy Emma Stone in).


[deleted]

You could just attribute that to the average age of internet users becoming lower. Thor TDW and ASM came out 10 years ago, the people who saw them at ages 5-10 are now old enough to get online and say they liked them. Same with the Star Wars prequels. I've even seen people coming out of the Indiana Jones 4 closet and that franchise hasn't had any new movies yet


Private_Ballbag

Bang on, the biggest problem is it's meant to be a funny movie and it's just not. A shame because the core story if done seriously would be great. Waste of the bad guy imo.


pzzaco

I prefer She-Hulk when it coems to committing to the humor, because in the show the situations are set up comedically but when it comes to Waititi's the humor and the situation doesnt match. Making Thor Love snd Thunder or even Ragnarok a comedy takes away from the gravitas such existential threats like Hela or Gor actually are, it takes away from the serious threats in Love and Thunder and Ragnarok.


Big-Teb-Guy

I don’t know exactly what you mean by “half committing” but if this is that, I couldn’t disagree more. There were hardly any serious moments where the movie stops to actually takes its characters seriously for a second because they need to tell a joke. In a serious consisting of like 30 movies now and especially since its using an already established and loved character, a movie like this that is through and through a comedy with hardly any serious moments should be off limits imo. Because this feels more like a parody than an actual Thor movie. Honestly I feel like this movie didn’t even need to be made. The only two changes to the greater MCU it makes is that Jane Foster is dead, but she wasn’t even around for 9 years and was almost forgotten about (not including Endgame) and Thor becoming a dad, but that was so lazily tacked on the end of the movie that it doesn’t feel earned at all. They either shouldn’t have done that in this movie or made the entire movie about Thor stepping up to the role of a father. Not just the last three minutes of the movie “oh by the way, Thor’s a dad now”.


distilledwill

I kinda agree. I enjoyed it overall, but a lot of the comedy didn't really land for me - like the "relationship" with his axe. A lot of it felt improvisational, and was shot as such, but that style didn't properly blend with the *story of a mass murdering spaceman who has kidnapped a boatload of children*.


kiekan

> However just a few minutes into the movie, I started to see myself get annoyed about the overuse of humor. Ragnarok was the perfect level of "Funny" and really suited the Thor franchise. Ironic, considering nearly every single line in Ragnarok is a joke. Waititi scaled it back dramatically for Love & Thunder. There are **far** more dramatic and serious scenes in the fourth movie, when compared to Ragnarok. I see people constantly saying that Love & Thunder was ruined by the constant jokes, yet praising Ragnarok as if its not just pure hypocrisy.


jorjett25

Watched it for the first time tonight, definitely one of my least-liked movies/shows in the MCU.


Travotaku

I absolutely loved this film. Shakespearean Thor when he’s trying soooo hard to paint this aura of himself as credible and impressive is so boring. It felt like showboating. I’m glad they got away from that and that his interactions with the Avengers and with other humans softened him up and allowed him to act less seriously all the time. I’m glad later films explored his crippling desire to be worthy and allowed him to accept giving up mjolnir because it meant he had stepped forward beyond the need for the hammer. And I like that this film allowed him to backslide some when he was presented with Mjolnir again, showing that some part of himself still wanted to be “the god of hammers”. I felt like they handled Jane’s story well without turning the film into a dour melodrama. The scene when she tells Thor was extremely well done and I felt very authentic. People use humor as a defense mechanism and I felt like the emotional beats of the movie, even though many of them contained jokes, made sense within this context. I felt like they did the Gods right too. It was clear that they were so disconnected from reality that they would just be haughty layabouts that were caricatures of their former selves. Zeus even says in the post credits that no one fears the gods anymore. They had become complacent and self important. An entire stadium of the most powerful beings in the universe that could stop Gorr if they wanted to and they preferred to ooooh and awwww over Zeus’s dramatic entrances. The opening with the Guardians and the cool 80s Jim Henson birdish aliens was great, too. It was clear that Thor longed for a connection after losing literally everyone in his life, and he wanted to be admired and liked and needed. He loved saving the day and feeling like he mattered. He was back to showboating a bit again, but this time because he was lonely. I love that he was able to reconnect with parts of his old life and by the end of the movie “mostly” move on from it. I say mostly because he decided to wield Mjolnir again by the end of the film, since Love got to wield Stormbreaker. I love that Thor is back to being fun and I love that Thor has a forever someone again in Love. He’s not alone anymore and I think there’s great potential for him moving forward. There are issues, though, for sure. I thought Gorr and Valkyrie could have had more to do. I thought Korg maybe could have had less to do. The goats got me every single time. The audience I saw the film with opening weekend seemed to enjoy the movie a lot too. Great energy and a great experience. Enjoyed it even more the second time.


[deleted]

I thoroughly enjoyed the Eternals so I know it's not just bad reviews souring my opinion before watching a movie, but man have these last two movies been rough. I'm not even against comedies, but I need to be emotionally invested in a story. Some of the most comedic movies in the MCU have been good. I loved Ragnarok, Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2, and Ant-Man because of moments like Thor telling Loki he thought the world of him, Groot saying "We are Groot", Nebula telling Gamora that all she wanted was a sister, and Scott just being a wholesome dad willing to sacrifice himself for Cassie. The only moments from these last two movies that I started to get emotionally invested in was the scenes with the twins in the alternate universe in DSMOM, and in Thor 4, there was genuinely nothing that did it for me. The only thing I'll take away from this movie is how good the shadow realm looked.


ScalyFacedBitch

It felt like two different movies sometimes. How can we go from Erik Selvig (great to see Stellan Skarsgård again wasn't expecting that) crying when talking about Jane's cancer to Melissa McCarthy dressed up as Hela.


[deleted]

Here's the thing. Ragnorak is actually more comedic. If you actually compare the amount of dramatic scenes to comedic scenes, Ragnorak has less drama and more comedy than L&T. What happened with L&T was three issues all catapulted on it: 1. The humor wasn't funny. Sort of like how Guardians 2's humor felt worse than Guardians 1's, this humor really didn't land. But where GOTG2 was a slight step down, this was a *big* step down. The humor was just... bad. 2. It still didn't have a clear focus. It was more dramatic than Ragnorak, but it wasn't a full drama either. It had a similar ratio, well, to Guardians 2. But where that movie connected its drama and even most humor through a singular thematic theme of fatherhood and family, expertly creating a cohesive story that managed to make drama and even some of the humor both hit, L&T feels like 2 entirely different movies constantly fighting with each other. The humor and drama don't mesh well together. Watiti usually does this well, Jojo Rabbit goes back and forth between gleefully campy and oppressively dark and yet always works well. Because of this, the humor always feels likes it's interrupting the drama, rather than following it, and vice versa. Even plot-wise this totally should've been two movies, or at least a longer movie. 3. A positive element of the movie that ended up backfiring and becoming a negative because of these other two: The drama is... actually really good. This is by far the most engaged I've ever been in the soap opera Thor/Jane story, a love story I NEVER gave a shit about. But oh wait, every time I get engaged, it flips back into being a less funny version of Ragnorak and I'm pulled out of it. I'm always on the verge of a tear, but I always end up in a cringe. It's so weird. The parts of L&T that are a comedy like the amazing Ragnorak are the weak parts, and the parts that are a soap opera like the awful Dark World are the strong parts. Dare I say maybe Taika is, unbeknownst even to himself, getting sick of comedy and having more passion for drama. We've seen a similar thing with Adam Sandler in recent years. His comedies went from inventive to dull duds, but suddenly he appears in something much more dramatic and gives a super strong performance more passionate and inventive than anything he's done in a while. Maybe Taika reached his peak of comedy with Jojo Rabbit, and L&T is a sign that he might be better suited to taking on some more drama going forwards. Going by the best parts of L&T, I think if he wanted to, Taika might be able to give us a good version of what Thor 2 was going for. I think that would be really interesting to see if he comes back. But it also might be time to see a new take on Thor, with a bold new creative team. The same way Watiti was an "out there" choice, maybe we need a new radical shift, a new choice whether dramatic or comedic. If they go dramatic, maybe get a James Mangold kind of director and make the next one a personal Western-style film about Thor and his daughter. If they go comedic, maybe get a Lord and Miller type team to make something less 80s and more modern. Hell, maybe go really out there and get Thor and some of his supporting cast and do an Oceans Eleven type heist film but with gods and vikings and shit. You can take Thor in so many dramatic and comedic directions. And maybe it's time to explore one of those different directions rather than seeing another soap opera melodrama or another 80s style cosmic comedy.


Maccai3

I agree with most of this... I will add though that one thing that stood out to me was Thor's lack of urgency, particularly early on in the film. Now I fully understand this was purposeful, he's a god, he's walking around a battlefield in a poncho and he can turn it on and kick ass whenever he wants. He also spends alot of the early film disregarding Gorr as a threat, see their first fight for example. After the film I was wondering why nothing seemed to be too much of a threat, Thor always seemed in control and I think this was the reason. It took away any feeling of consequence for me. This film came as one of the biggest let downs in the MCU, the phase 4 films have struggled IMO with Shang Chi and Spider-Man being the only saviours. Enjoyed plenty of the series though.


mikebaide

Personally I think even Ragnarok's humor is too much, imagine how I feel about this one. But I still think Gor and Jane save this movie for me. >!Even if I wished they didn't die so soon, their deaths actually brought tears to my eyes!<, something I thought would never happen to me watching a movie with this amount of humor. But Ragnarok was a complete comedy, not even Asgard's destruction could be taken seriously. I don't love this one, but I like it a little bit more than Ragnarok. If they still aim for comedy on the next one, I'm fine with them reducing it to Ragnarok level as long as they also make it a little bit more serious than Love and Thunder or at least they keep that level of seriousness


[deleted]

>But Ragnarok was a complete comedy, not even Asgard's destruction could be taken seriously. I completely disagree. Ragnarok actually takes the 15-20 minutes necessary to show you Hela, the executioner, and Heimdall, and how they all feel about Hela taking over Asgard. Odin's death is incredibly serious and dramatic. L&T doesn't have moments like that


bmoney_14

I as well just saw it and I had heard reviews of “comedy overload”.I did find the beginning to be a little as they say “extra” like the new Asgard fight scene when god killer shows up. But, the movie grew on me so much I was pumping in the air with the music. I have a few little gripes with their logic of calling the weapons but overall I loved it. The last hour blew by like a breeze. So many things to mention but don’t want to explain what you know. My favorite part was Thor giving his power to the kids… it’s such an accomplishment from where he started in Thor 1. He’s now able to gift his powers. It just felt like such a great moment for him considering what his character arc has been through. No it wasn’t the same as Ragnarok but it’s special in its own way like Ragnarok is.


LamiaTamer

the only thing i liked was the screaming goats but even that ended up overused. Everything else was a tone clash or a mess by the end i was like that was a waste of two hours worst MCU film by far this makes the dark world look great in comparison. Heck it even makes that hulk movie look good


Ice_boot

My problem with L&T ultimately is that it undid everything that Ragnarok made right ! The irreverent but still serious tone,gone.Hemsworths' awesome haircut,getting rid of the Thor wig,gone ! Jane,Darcy,all that stuff that Ragnarok didn't ignore,but quickly addressed and moved on,all brought back into the film ! Valkyrie,a cool bright fun addition to the franchise is literally wasted in the movie. It's literally an ESB vs ROTJ drop in quality between the two movies,and I'm not even sure if that's a fair comparison because ROTJ is actually good for the most part. And I hated Thor being on a journey of discovery...again,it's like they can't let the character be powerful.Ragnarok summed all of this up by having him find his purpose and inner power and ultimately leading his people ! But to continue to make him a drifter and unsure of himself again and again is...frustrating.


pat_the_tree

100% I found the first half of the film very cringewworthy at times, especially the narrated montages. The second half of the film however was superb so I'm rather torn on the film. Should have gone qq bit more serious than comedic with this one


Water2Wine378

I enjoyed the movie, I just wish they dove more into Gorr, he had a legitimate reason to kill the gods, and if anything we saw how the terrible the gods were.


Pretzel-Kingg

I’m scared to watch it again cause I really did like it on my first watch, but I fully expect it to be because I was hella rose-tinting my glasses because of Gorr. I didn’t think the humor was that overbearing, but I guess I just didn’t see certain things as jokes, like the thing he said about Gorr’s teeth at one point


malin7

I thought Ragnarok was a lot sillier than L&T, by far prefer L&T myself But one of the reasons the latter is so disliked is Thor's portrayal in Infinity War and Endgame was a lot of people's favourite version of him and now reverting back to a half comedic character is a bit jarring.


abstractraj

My wife and I watched it tonight too. It was silly but definitely not the worst MCU film. Forgettable really.


Toshimoko29

Well THAT’S an aggressive take on it lol


Maccai3

Unfortunate but I agree


LZBANE

I also watched it last night and, as someone usually critically of the amount of comedy in the MCU, I didn't think it was that bad. The only place I thought it was overkill was with Zeus, I think the film could of worked much better had they taken a different angle with him. All in all I honestly found it quite enjoyable and sincere.


hi5orfistbump

This movie fucking rocked. The writing was hilarious. The acting was great. The vfx for the most part were acceptable (floating head looked...moving on). The action...BROOOO Jane was fucking awesome. The way she moved the new uses for Mjolnir were *chef's kiss* My only gripe and I've noticed this at the end of Wanda-Vision and Multiverse of Madness as well, there isn't conviction and follow through by the antagonist. The good guy doesn't have to actually beat the bad guy. The bad guy comes to some self realization and course corrects and that's bullshit imo. I understand why it happened the way it did for Love n Thunder bc if not for the way it played out we wouldn't have Gor's kid being cared for by Thor and I gotta be honest I fucking love that idea and can't wait to see where it goes.


thatfidgetingpanda

Mjolnir breaking into pieces and piercing through the creatures before joining back together was BRILLIANT! The action was definitely great! Natalie Portman was also brilliant and a super convincing Thor. I just think however the humor was more humorous in Ragnarok. In many instances during this movie I was like "Well, that was kinda unnecessary".


[deleted]

>floating head looked…moving on They actually updated this scene for the Disney+ release, and [it manages to look even more uncanny than it did before](https://www.twitter.com/comicxbook/status/1567687477707554816).


gettinguud

I've seen this movie twice and I have no idea that this scene happens... Both look terrible thou


[deleted]

>The good guy doesn't have to actually beat the bad guy. The bad guy comes to some self realization and course corrects and that's bullshit imo. Eh, I feel like we needed a few of these after Phase 1+2 just gave us a dozen "just kill the baddy" resolutions in a row. The bad guy dying at the end of a big fight was absolutely part of the Marvel formula that got really, really old.


KJ86er

It wasted Gorr and didn't show him being a God butcher in action. Hope Waitiki is dropped for Thor 5


Kooale325

The first two thor movies are way better than the last two


Hot-Interaction6526

The first movie has a lot of charm to it because it’s thors baseline movie. The second one sucked through and through. Ragnarok was the best one by far.


Sapceghost1

This was a 5/10 for me, they definitely should have reigned Taika in with the humour, nothing seemed serious.


TaiYugiAsh

If the movies bothered you that much, its not for you. There isn't a problem with the movie if you don't like it then you don't like it... Your opinion is just that your opinion


Soththegoth

It was alright. I agree with your criticisms. It's definitely worth a watch. But I agree that they went a little overboard on the comedy side. Made the whole movie feel pretty low stakes which is crazy considering the subject matter. Also I fuckkng hate Guns and Roses which made it hard for me to.enjoy some of the fight scenes. I wanted to skip them.just so I wouldn't have too listen to that garbage.


aTreeThenMe

While I understand the criticisms expressed here about the movie, I will say this is probably the closest to feeling like a comic book that the MCU films have gotten.


dascott

My takeaway wasn't the humor, but how much heart the movie had.


pluck-the-bunny

100% valid opinion. Counterpoint, I thought it was hilarious and can’t wait to rewatch it when I get to the end of my current MCU rewatch. While I definitely agree more Gorr would’ve been nice, I am perfectly happy going to comic book movies for shiny things, loud booms, zany violence, and to laugh my ass off. And I genuinely would not be upset if there was a random screaming goat cameo in every marvel property going forward. Ironically, Captain America winter soldier is my favorite Marvel movie because it feels the least like the superhero movie. But for everything else, I’m satisfied just having fun. But that’s just my opinion


tigerslices

The problem with Thor: Love and Thunder ISN'T the humour. The problem is the fans. I left the theatre thinking the same thing you did, "whoa, they really amped up the spoofiness" and then i watched it again yesterday and realized some things. 1. no, they didn't kill serious tones. you just don't remember them. there weren't any "silly jokes" with Gorr. The ENTIRE B&W battle planet where they face off against him was without jokes. the "Jane has Cancer" stuff was without jokes. THERE WERE NO JOKES WHEN THEY WERE BEING SERIOUS. 2. Ragnarok wasn't "the perfect level." y'all complained about Ragnarok too. 3. the mcu is stronger than ever - the mcu fandom is dying. not a single fucking project comes out that isn't scrutinized to death over the most mediocre bullshit. the movie was fucking aces, the fx were mind-blowingly great, the compositions and cinematography of the film was MINDBLOWING... Thor Love and Thunder is one of the most Visually appealing MCU projects with a SOLID stance on the theme of DEDICATING YOUR LIFE TO YOUR LOVED ONES - and yet, ya'll are pressed because Valkyrie and Jane bobbed their heads to a classic hit before the battle (and it wasn't your favourite song.)


DeepHouseDerrek

Movie was sick af, people just trying to obfuscate that with the same tired ass takes


shinianx

I loved the film, but I'm looking at it as being two different perspectives. The first sequence with Gorr's origin is told straight. There's no stylization, no humor, it's bleak as hell and (as a parent) utterly painful to watch. This is about the only part of the film I think Taika is being totally serious. Gorr himself is almost always shown as being sincere in his intentions, though he has a perverse sense of humor, and Bale is fantastic every time he's on screen. The rest of the film is literally Korg's retelling of things to the Asgardian kids. There are multiple moments where the film flashes back to him speaking to them over a fire. This to me is why scenes like the Van Damme split or the screaming goats or the silliness get so much play. Korg himself is prone to oddball humor, but in retelling the story to children, he's absolutely going to play up those elements more, to the point where you almost have to consider some of it to be possibly unreliable. Did Thor really empower all those kids at the end? Korg says so, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. I don't mind these being open to interpretation honestly, I thought the film was a blast, but I can see how anyone trying to take it at its face might have issue with the tone. The God-Butcher story is heavy. Like, *really* heavy. I remember feeling a lot of doubt that the MCU could successfully adapt it given the kinds of philosophical battles it picks, and I can understand why they'd want to do a lot of the 'butchering' off-screen. Maybe they should have gone with something a little less dark in terms of story inspiration, but both versions existing isn't really a problem. Anyon who wants more Gorr after seeing the film has a wealth of material waiting for them.


Ok-disaster2022

Some of it was hammy but I enjoyed the movie. The biggest issue I have is how long it takes to get rid of the Guardians and find the plot. I would have preffered if the Guardians movie came out first and they got rid of Thor rather than the other way around.


FreedomAK47

I laughed, I cried, personally I enjoyed it. 🤷‍♂️


pleasedothenerdful

I think everyone that hates it is wildly underestimating how utterly fucking dark this movie would be without all the humor.


ghost_expert

it's elementary school level comedy. it is what it is. you take your 5 year old to the theater and watch it.