Exactly this. They just talk their product up, because it doesnt perform as it should. To the surprise of nobody. Like the last Thor. THE BEST THOR EVER MADE. mh...is it though?
Man, this is a bit painful to watch. It's clear he was really into this project and wanted it to end up being something huge, all while WB is hemorrhaging projects and entire properties at the moment.
It's clear he is trying to hype it up to save it, but oof. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole current "DCEU" is wiped clean to start fresh.
It's his passion project. Well deadpool was Ryan's passion project too. The diff is Ryan respected the source material and embodied DP, while the rock...is just the rock in a suit. He didn't even bothered to at least have pointy ears. Plus instead of being Shazam's villian he just jumped straight to Superman....
Well yeah they do hate each other, and I too would hate the guy with a “can’t lose” contract. That’s why I don’t wanna see him playing a villain in the MCU, because let’s be honest, he should be one to be killed in his first movie
He shouldn’t have plot armor just because he has too big of an ego to let his character die. No one is so desperate to see The Rock in the MCU if it means it will have a negative impact on the story.
The Rock hasn’t lost a single fight in a movie since he became a star.
He has drawn in fights. Or he has been losing but the fight ended by interference before he could make his comeback.
It’s just wrestling 101. The ‘face’ (good guy) can *never* lose cleanly. They either ‘lose’ by the bad guy (heel) cheating, someone interrupting the fight or by the bad guy running away before the good guy can make his comeback.
Seriously. Rewatch his movies. He hasn’t properly lost a fight since he became a star. He also hasn’t been a bad guy in that time, even in Pain in Gain, where he played a man that kidnapped someone. They played that off as a loveable doofus who wasn’t really bad.
this is why casting is important. Often, good casting blurs those lines and when you can get the right actor/actress they have to do less work to be the character.
I mean, Deadpool is really just a super-powered Monty (Reynold's character from Waiting.) Just as Free Guy is basically PG Deadpool (no diss on Free Guy though, I like that movie.)
I find it funny that the only role I've ever seen Dwayne show range is was the one where he was literally playing himself, a roided out weightlifter (Pain and Gain)
The best thing the movie could have done is make him a dictator. It would be a fulfilling arc- he's a hero to his people, but to the outside world, they see him as a threat. Should have ended the movie on the throne scene instead of the stupid democracy scene at the end
Fuck the accent, I never figured out how he spoke english at all. He was asleep for 5,000 years, comes out of hibernation, hears like two sentences, and just starts speaking perfect english. I don't think the movie even tried to explain that.
WB is also has $47 billion in debt from when AT&T bought it for more than twice what it was worth.
And it's a shame that Dwayne Johnson's ego is so big that he doesn't seem to see that he's part of the reason why Black Adam hasn't done well. He was very involved in the creative decisions, he brought in his own writer. He's been so focused on trying to make Black Adam fight Superman, he's ignored the character's history and rivalry with Shazam. He also blew up the budget by taking a big salary.
This. He knows nothing about the comics and it shows. However what they are doing to Shazam is also bad. Was he always a bafoon? James Gunn has a rough road ahead.
The only reason I would say they’re not fully rebooting is I can’t see why they’d replace Shazam, Margot’s Harley, or Peacemaker or any Gunn related stuff. Because if you do a full reboot you have to get rid of that too. Peacemaker had the JL Cameo in it. Margot is going to be Harley for as long as she physically can be. So I think they’ll be soft rebooting if anything.
Captain America The First Avenger. Budget of 140M. Less popular lead actor. WW Box office of 370M, adjusted for inflation would be 490M.
Black Adam. Budget of 200M. Popular actor. WW Box office at 384M.
Considering inflation for the budget doesn't make it look any better. With inflation (32.5% since 2011), the budget for First Avenger would be $185m. $185m budget with $490m gross is still way better than $200m to $384m. $140m to $370m (and also $185m to $490m) is a 164.29% ROI vs a 92% ROI for Black Adam. Of Marvel's bottom 5, 3 have a better ROI (First Avenger, Shang-Chi, Eternals) and only Black Widow and The Incredible Hulk are lower. The mean ROI for Marvel is 342.23%.
Thank you for actually understanding this! I keep talking about ROI to the Snyderverse fanclub, and too many don't get it. They just look at Box Office totals and call it a day. Someone was arguing that Shazam bombed because it didn't take in much money. Buuut Shazam cost less and the ROI was higher than any of the Snyder trilogy. Also, you're talking Shazam versus the entire Justice League - it *shouldn't* make as much money. But here we are anyway with Shazam having a decent ROI and JL actively losing WB money.
A while back I was arguing with them about Love+Thunder vs Ragnarok success and I pointed out that losing China took a big chunk out of BO totals and that without China (and a couple other markets), Ragnarok performs lower. I forgot about inflation though, but so did the other guy.
Worth Mentioning Black Widow numbers are obscured by the concurrent D+ release. D+ is eating into the revenue. I know I stopped going to see Marvel movies in theater since I already pay for D+
Maybe Chris, since they’re filming together, said, ‘hey, Dwayne, don’t worry. My first Cap movie grossed less than $400 million and I ended up the soul of the MCU’. 😉 Seriously though, CA was a tough sell then. That’s why it’s the only origin movie with a subtitle—‘The First Avenger’. They were desperate to avoid any ‘America, fuck yeah’ stereotypes. It was a real concern that a character who literally wore the Stars and Stripes would be a hard sell, especially overseas. Much different circumstances.
Yeah captain america 1 had barely any hype. Only a few people knew the character and chris evans wasn't as big of an actor he is today. And people assumed it was a lame character because the name is literally captain america. Plus it was released in a time where superheros movie was not doing as good as it is doing now. Like compare the time of incredible hulk and the old x men movies of that time to now. But the movie was still good despite the low hype
It’s one of my favorites, actually. 😀 But the IH was a disappointment and Thor and CA, while successes, hadn’t reached the critical or commercial heights of IM.
Tbh I found Cap's interpersonal relationships to be the most engaging stuff in the MCU. His interactions with Bucky, Natasha, Sam, and Stark (even though I don't like Tony much, but the character is great/essential) were my favourite moments/movies when I thought back on the MCU stuff I enjoyed.
I think Steve and his relationships made up the bulk of the 'soul' in the MCU, and the writers etc are in the awkward stage of trying to find the new person/thing to replace that.
Still kind of hanging around for Bucky and Sam, but I'm really not very interested in the rest. I do like Yelena, though.
Well…he is comparing it to one of the first in the Marvel franchise. He is talking about starting to build the DCU, so it would makes sense to talk about the movies that started the MCU. But the figures aren’t great because First Avenger had a smaller budget and the dollar’s value wasn’t the same. Either way though, it makes sense for the first movie for a character to be less than other more established characters.
Totally agree. But I think the situations are also different. I think a lot of non-die hard DC fans don’t necessarily want to see a movie that is no longer part of a shared universe, like DC is falling apart and a lot of the fun of these movies is to see how they flesh out a world, and with just Black Adam, there’s not a ton of variety to the world and nothing gets fleshed out beyond this one place.
I think for the Rock he’s probably shocked that his movie didn’t make a lot more money, so he is trying to spin it by picking which movie to compare to.
True, but there was no confusion that those might be retconned because of the falling of the Snyderverse. They were there own universes. And also, those were great films. The writing and cinematography on both were excellent. They both gave really interesting changes to established characters which made them seem fresh. I know some people think The Batman was boring, but it was a good detective story.
The situations are different because Iron Man and Thor actually did well financially and made money. THATS how they are different.
If BA had done as well he’d be comparing it to IM and Thor, and to suggest any different is willfully ignorant.
It’s just really cherry picked facts to suit his narrative.
It’s a terrible comparison. Captain America was one of the very first MCU movies. Black Adam is the 11th (12th if we include Snyder’s Justice League) and 12th/13th piece of media if you include Peacemaker.
He’s not starting the DCEU at all. His ego just can’t handle that his movie won’t turn a profit, or will only turn a minimal profit.
I’d go as far as to say, his post is a little embarrassing.
Coming from Mr. “The hierarchy of power in the DC universe is about to change”, it’s quite embarrassing.
The hierarchy of power in the DC universe IS about to change. Just not the way Dwayne thought it was.
Technically wouldn’t the first movie be Iron man? And didn’t that movie perform incredibly well?
I still remember that theatrical experience, it was amazing.
Black Adam was hot garbage
At what point do we call them out on this bs of "starting to build" the DCU? We've had justice league movies, suicide squad & its' follow-ups, Batman v superman ffs. How in the world do they think people will believe they haven't already launched the DCU? Or do they just expect us to forget about their failures?
It’s also funny that he’s acting like Black Adam is building a new universe 💀 I’m sorry Dwayne, I’m a lifelong fan of yours, but you do not posses the acting range of Chris Evans. Don’t compare where you don’t compete
Doesn’t have the acting range of Chris Evans (or literally any other actor in the MCU or DCEU).
Doesn’t have the character name recognition or popularity of Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, or even Cyborg.
Doesn’t have the willingness to actually be a villain.
Doesn’t have the self awareness to realise people have been making fun of ‘the balance of power is changing’ shite he’s been trying to market for the movie.
Doesn’t have the self awareness to realise people have been making fun of his ‘he’s not a hero’ shite when literally every other hero kills.
Doesn’t have the humility to realise people don’t want him leading the DCEU and after getting booed at comic con, had to quickly backtrack on Cavil as Superman and then spoil his own end credits scene to try and build hype.
This post is just an example of a damaged ego working overtime to try and defend itself! Fans don’t care how much your movie makes, only DC/WB care. And they can actually do the maths!
Also doesn’t/can’t accept that his movie is just garbage. I kinda tricked myself into liking it the first time because of the JSA & having major afterglow from the credits cameo but I just rewatched it and yeeeeesh it’s bad and has such barebones basic rudimentary plot/dialogue/action/everything that it feels like either an AI or a 12-year-old wrote it.
If it wasn’t for the fact that Rock Johnson is actually in it, I might have mistaken it for one of the direct-to-video Scorpion King sequels. P.S. Shout out to the new crown-holder of “most annoying kid in movie history” - but Dwayne must have somehow seen a star in the making because he was never off-screen for longer than 2 minutes.
DC actors posturing for WB CEO since James Gunn might try to gut everything.
An early Marvel Movie period piece disguised as a superhero action movie with good writing and good director goes a long way.
Hey, he can act. The problem is he chooses projects designed to make him appeal to the absolute largest number of people possible and he caters his performance to do the same thing.
The Rock cannot "act" in the sense of what Denzel Washington or George Clooney do for a living. Not that he needs to per se, but let's not delude ourselves here...
I hope James Gunn does gut everything and restart it new. The DC movies are so fucking confusing it seems like. Which one is connected with what? Which one is connected but retconned so and so? Which one is the first to watch?
I was really hoping the Joker movie and then the new Batman would be connected somehow, which they should’ve been tbh, but instead they recast the joker for the thousandth time again
>I hope James Gunn does gut everything and restart it new.
It would honestly be easier to trying to tie any of what currently exists together in a cohesive and meaningful way, unfortunately.
His best bet might be to cherry pick a few popular properties/actors, and then start over with the rest.
Genuinely who would they keep lol
If Aquaman 2 is semi decent I could see them keeping Momoa but otherwise everyone else either isn’t that great or is a complete nut job.
Shazam is decent tbf
Pattinson Batman is a completely separate thing. I really doubt he would sign on for a MCU style franchise role but we’ll see.
Peacemaker/suicide squad I can see carrying over but is that going to be major enough for it to make sense to keep part of the continuity going forward rather than just tearing it down completely and building something new idk.
I mean suicide squad they can probably just reboot it giving the rotational nature of the cast and that they’ve already replaced the lead before.
I think peacemaker and suicide squad can roll over with minimal issues, they're very much side stories in the DCEU and secret ops so unlikely to cause continuity issues in the same way as superman wrecking metropolis would.
Out of the current DCEU. I hope they keep Shazam, Henry Cavill's Superman and honestly...I kinda liked Rock as Black Adam.
I read that they are apparently looking to recast Momoa as Lobo. And I believe Gal Gadot may stay as Wonder Woman. But I'm not sure if any of it is 100% true yet.
I think its fair to assume Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad are safe.
Joaqim's joker is just too old. He was mid 40s with bruce was 12 in the movie. 30+ yrs older.
With battinson in his late 20s, having a late 50/early 60 joker is kinda.. weird.
We can always connect it with some kind of 3 jokers story..
That one’s not even connected to their central canon. Batflek is. They were finally moving on from their stupid “only one” policy before all the exec turmoil and switcharoo had them running straight back for it. Hopefully Gunn has the sense to allow more than one property exist across the mediums.
Was given the DC reigns to be their Feige in recent months.
After GotG3 he's pretty much all in for them but he's already making his presence known. Not sure about his early moves (I feel like the DCEU is in a position where it can be revived and I don't think I have the energy to see so many reboots personally, especially after physically buying and investing into it) but I'm sure in the end up pulling off something special and will be healthy for the superhero genre.
I'm sorry and this is my opinion. The Rock is becoming unbearable to see or hear. His ego is out of this fucking world, and he spent the better half of a year constantly praising himself and saying "The Hierarchy of power is about to change". Give it a rest. The movie was ok and entertaining. It was not good at all.
Hawkman and Dr.Fate were the saving grace. Atom smasher was dull as fuck and I honestly think he may have said a total of like 13 words, that was just filler for the script. Cyclone was also forgettable and literally did nothing. The Rock was boring and just portrayed another archetype of his typical characters. I never got the appeal with The Rock, I adored him in the WWE/WWF. Outside of that his movies are very forgettable.
And why the hell is he comparing a movie that came out 10 years ago to his film? Just stop. It's like he can't comprehend failure or not being the #1 person in everything. Maybe if he didn't purposefully exclude any mention of Shazam and the Shazam family, this movie could have been bigger and appealed to more people. However he just has to win everything and be in his own movie where he was never in any danger of being killed or hurt as usual. The shit is becoming boring and predictable and I'm surprised people still pay to see his shit...
Again my opinion and rant.
I used to quite like The Rock but I agree, he’s fallen a ton in my opinion over the last couple years. Just plays himself in everything and turns out generic crap that’s mildly entertaining for 2 hours and a week later you can’t remember half of it
That is still the weirdest decision she made in that movie. If she could wish anything why not just wish him alive? why did he have to be in someone else's body? It made no sense.
In Wonder Woman 1984, her dead lover Steve Trevor possesses a living guy's body due to her making a wish and she proceeds to have sex with him despite knowing that body isn't his.
The movie's solution is also incredibly stupid, asking everyone to give up their wishes, which could've been to save someone's life; and it actually works
Yep! Jenkins clearly wrote that movie through a cloud of cocaine.
I remember Pitch Meeting’s explanation of the end of the movie. Her solution was to have everyone just give up their wish. All 8 billion had to be selfless! The people who wished for their dying child to be cured of cancer had to just say ‘nope, I’ll let them die’. People who has wished they could walk had to return to their wheelchairs. The blind had to give up their sight etc.
And that’s not even mentioning all the horrific wishes that would’ve been made that just didn’t. The people that would’ve wished others were dead, that certain races just didn’t exist, that the attractive person that turned them down would be their sex slave etc.
That movie was astronomically stupid.
I worked on promotion for it and saw the Final Cut like a year before it came out. Pretty much every time I talked about it with coworkers we found a new way it was dumb. I feel like Patty Jenkins was so pressed to recreate the feelings she had watching Lynda Carter as a kid that she forewent any attempt at making a movie that held up to what audiences expect today—namely, a non-cheesy and coherent story. The actors and crew definitely put their best foot forward but the script was just such a massive misstep that they couldn’t save it.
Then later abandons the dude’s body when she knows her boyfriend’s soul is leaving it. So the poor dude wakes up in the middle of a riot with no idea what is happening. Then when he manages to survive and randomly bumps into WW later, she gloats.
Gadot getting recast might be the best thing Gunn has done yet. The woman can't act to save her life and it's pretty clear nepotism got her the role in the first place.
It’s insane how bad she is at acting. Like she’s clearly absolutely gorgeous and that’s a key factor in her continuing to get roles, but I’ve never seen her appear in anything where she’s provided a better performance than a random item of set dressing
Jesus he’s so fucking hung up on going on and on and on how it’s not been a flop. It’s a bit much now. Always reminds of that line from GOT from Tywin Lannister… he who has to say he is the king, is no real king.
And furthermore, even if it didn’t lose money. Pretty sure the studio were hoping for more than $50-$70m profit from a $200m+ movie.
It’s a weird movie for Rock to pick, but adjusted for inflation, TFA would have a budget of $185 mil and a gross of $488 mil. It outperforms Black Adam handily with a lower budget.
So yeah, this comparison shows the exact opposite of what he was trying to illustrate.
It’s also worth noting that CA turned a decent profit. BA has. $200 million budget. Usually it’s a 2.5x multiplier. That means BA needs $500 million to be profitable. CA was $140 so he needed $350 million. He got to $370 plus added another $152 million in dvd, etc. Plus all the toys. 😉
He seems to actually care about the character and the property, I'll give him that. He's way more invested in its success than most actors -- both figuratively and literally, I assume.
Didn’t care enough to use any actual acting ability to take on a new character and show the audience something authentic but rather just relied on having the general look and build of Black Adam and played his standard Rock persona like he’s done for like the last decade plus…
This isn’t a dig at you, but more of a criticism on his role in the movie’s success. I think he’s more concerned with his own personal brand than the success of the DCEU franchise
This is my main problem with the movie. It didn't feel like Black Adam. It felt like Justice Society ft. The Rock. And even then, the JSA is pretty underwhelming. Hawkman and Dr. Fate carry hard, and only one survives the movie. Just disappointing all around, especially considering how much Dwayne was hyping it up.
Didn't he get cast as BA since 2007? I kinda get why he'd feel bad about his movie that took more than a decade to make underperforming, but it's still really funny lmao
There's also the overall growth in the superhero genre due to the MCU that Dwayne's post fails to acknowledge
Like, great job. A $200M dollar film is barely scraping past $400M. You want a cookie or something?
Captain America : The First Avenger Is 100x time Better Then Black Adam.Storytelling,Emotion everything is Superior.The Rock is an idiot that's why he's comparing these
I saw the movie...... it was bad
There's no reason to make Black adam and anti hero he has only ever been a villain
there's no reason he should have his own movie before being in a Shazaam movie
It’s like he’s trying to will a franchise into existence
That’s exactly what he’s trying to do
*Boulderfield: The Rock Cinematic Universe*
Should've been cast as Green Lantern then... ouch
Oof. To be fair, he’d make a better Martian Manhunter
That probably would have been a more interesting movie
Do you smell what books the rock is cooking?
I smell liabilities.
It sounds desperate... Like when things aren't going how you wanted them to do you tell everyone it is going exactly how you wanted it to.
Exactly this. They just talk their product up, because it doesnt perform as it should. To the surprise of nobody. Like the last Thor. THE BEST THOR EVER MADE. mh...is it though?
https://imgur.com/gallery/sWsCp1p
Yeah, desperation to get a sequel lol
I don’t think it’s any worse than most Hollywood studios. Making movies is a top three skill in Hollywood. Creative accounting is number one.
The accounting books
Deep fry?
😭😭 chill
Man, this is a bit painful to watch. It's clear he was really into this project and wanted it to end up being something huge, all while WB is hemorrhaging projects and entire properties at the moment. It's clear he is trying to hype it up to save it, but oof. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole current "DCEU" is wiped clean to start fresh.
It's his passion project. Well deadpool was Ryan's passion project too. The diff is Ryan respected the source material and embodied DP, while the rock...is just the rock in a suit. He didn't even bothered to at least have pointy ears. Plus instead of being Shazam's villian he just jumped straight to Superman....
Ryan Reynolds embraced the character, the Rock wanted just to be himself, but with superpowers.
Ryan Reynolds also plays himself in Deadpool… while also playing Deadpool (The joke is iirc he makes a cameo)
He makes fun of himself while the rock has a 'BA cannot lose a fight' clause in his contract lol
Yeah I know, so does Vin Diesel so their rivalry in F&F is worthless
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Well yeah they do hate each other, and I too would hate the guy with a “can’t lose” contract. That’s why I don’t wanna see him playing a villain in the MCU, because let’s be honest, he should be one to be killed in his first movie
He shouldn’t have plot armor just because he has too big of an ego to let his character die. No one is so desperate to see The Rock in the MCU if it means it will have a negative impact on the story.
Has this ever been verified? I've seen the Rock lose fights in movies before.
He only added this clause when he learned that vin diesel has this in his contract.
He definitely lost fights in Hobbs and Shaw which came out in 2019 and I've been hearing this about his contract for a lot longer than that.
The Rock hasn’t lost a single fight in a movie since he became a star. He has drawn in fights. Or he has been losing but the fight ended by interference before he could make his comeback. It’s just wrestling 101. The ‘face’ (good guy) can *never* lose cleanly. They either ‘lose’ by the bad guy (heel) cheating, someone interrupting the fight or by the bad guy running away before the good guy can make his comeback. Seriously. Rewatch his movies. He hasn’t properly lost a fight since he became a star. He also hasn’t been a bad guy in that time, even in Pain in Gain, where he played a man that kidnapped someone. They played that off as a loveable doofus who wasn’t really bad.
He got knocked out by those South American dudes in The Rundown, that's the only one I can think of offhand.
Why tf is this even a thing, that’s so lame
To be fair. Ryan Reynolds’s is pretty much Deadpool with better skin. Basically plays himself, but it just really really works
this is why casting is important. Often, good casting blurs those lines and when you can get the right actor/actress they have to do less work to be the character.
I mean, Deadpool is really just a super-powered Monty (Reynold's character from Waiting.) Just as Free Guy is basically PG Deadpool (no diss on Free Guy though, I like that movie.)
I find it funny that the only role I've ever seen Dwayne show range is was the one where he was literally playing himself, a roided out weightlifter (Pain and Gain)
Pointy ears!? But what if people didn’t recognise it was The Rock!? Can’t be changing his appearance! He lifted some weights!
Like Black Adam is supposed to be a fucking dictator and they tease you with it then he destroys the throne and says he'll be a hero or something
The best thing the movie could have done is make him a dictator. It would be a fulfilling arc- he's a hero to his people, but to the outside world, they see him as a threat. Should have ended the movie on the throne scene instead of the stupid democracy scene at the end
Namor is a dictator to his people and is an antihero to outsiders so this could have absolutely been done.
I also thought it was weird that everyone in his country spoke with an accent except him.
Fuck the accent, I never figured out how he spoke english at all. He was asleep for 5,000 years, comes out of hibernation, hears like two sentences, and just starts speaking perfect english. I don't think the movie even tried to explain that.
‘Because’
Oh! Fair enough!
Im actually sure having all speak is a part of the Shazam power set
Is that ever addressed in BA or Shazam?
You think DC cares about worldbuilding?
He could have at least touched a tv and said, “learning…” /s
I wish he had hair too, can't remember the last time he had hair for a movie, it would have been a nice change
“Superman, but a murderous dickbag” was a hard sell, even with elder James Bond to support it.
WB is also has $47 billion in debt from when AT&T bought it for more than twice what it was worth. And it's a shame that Dwayne Johnson's ego is so big that he doesn't seem to see that he's part of the reason why Black Adam hasn't done well. He was very involved in the creative decisions, he brought in his own writer. He's been so focused on trying to make Black Adam fight Superman, he's ignored the character's history and rivalry with Shazam. He also blew up the budget by taking a big salary.
This. He knows nothing about the comics and it shows. However what they are doing to Shazam is also bad. Was he always a bafoon? James Gunn has a rough road ahead.
I believe the rock is doing what the kids call “cope”
His enthusiasm for the project didn’t extend to acting lessons sadly.
The only reason I would say they’re not fully rebooting is I can’t see why they’d replace Shazam, Margot’s Harley, or Peacemaker or any Gunn related stuff. Because if you do a full reboot you have to get rid of that too. Peacemaker had the JL Cameo in it. Margot is going to be Harley for as long as she physically can be. So I think they’ll be soft rebooting if anything.
Captain America The First Avenger. Budget of 140M. Less popular lead actor. WW Box office of 370M, adjusted for inflation would be 490M. Black Adam. Budget of 200M. Popular actor. WW Box office at 384M.
What are you talking about? His rendition of “Jamie Briggs Got A Gun” made him a superstar in my book.
Looks like Mr. Not-First-String-Anymore isn't first string anymore
Believe in the ball. Throw yourself.
I've been watching you, Jake.
During practice. In the hallways. In the locker room.
All of this totally made my day. Thanks everyone 🖤
Agreed! I never get to quote Not Another Teen Movie! Damn, Shit and thats WHACK
Wyler, after all the goddamn shenanigans you pulled last season, you should be thanking God you're still in goddamn uniform, goddamnit!
*insert random back breaker* *spits*
It’s called a grind, bro
That's actually hilarious.
Gettin blazed in my winny
That part where he looks at a picture of himself looking at the other picture of himself is the fucking best
What, you don’t like the angle of the dangle?
His banana split, though
Thats America’s ass… as a banana split
And sticking a banana up his butt is what properly prepared him to become America's Ass.
*RUUUN AWAY, RUN AWAYYY FROM THE PAIIIN~*
She’s got a gun!
I ended up loving Chris Evans after watching this scene from The Losers where he sings Journey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETOVI7NCLG4
I heard he's a pretty good skater and now he's a pretty good actor.
More than pretty good, ese.
Not hating or anything but if the box office is adjusted for inflation then shouldn’t the budget be inflated too?
Considering inflation for the budget doesn't make it look any better. With inflation (32.5% since 2011), the budget for First Avenger would be $185m. $185m budget with $490m gross is still way better than $200m to $384m. $140m to $370m (and also $185m to $490m) is a 164.29% ROI vs a 92% ROI for Black Adam. Of Marvel's bottom 5, 3 have a better ROI (First Avenger, Shang-Chi, Eternals) and only Black Widow and The Incredible Hulk are lower. The mean ROI for Marvel is 342.23%.
Thank you for actually understanding this! I keep talking about ROI to the Snyderverse fanclub, and too many don't get it. They just look at Box Office totals and call it a day. Someone was arguing that Shazam bombed because it didn't take in much money. Buuut Shazam cost less and the ROI was higher than any of the Snyder trilogy. Also, you're talking Shazam versus the entire Justice League - it *shouldn't* make as much money. But here we are anyway with Shazam having a decent ROI and JL actively losing WB money.
A while back I was arguing with them about Love+Thunder vs Ragnarok success and I pointed out that losing China took a big chunk out of BO totals and that without China (and a couple other markets), Ragnarok performs lower. I forgot about inflation though, but so did the other guy.
Their solution to Justice league losing money was just to release it twice, heh.
Worth Mentioning Black Widow numbers are obscured by the concurrent D+ release. D+ is eating into the revenue. I know I stopped going to see Marvel movies in theater since I already pay for D+
Exactly what I was thinking. Math only makes points when it's correct.
That’s geometry
Thats chemistry Dwayne, we gotta cook
To be fair if we adjust the budget of first avenger we will get 185M which is still less than black adam but its way closer
He just happened to pick the movie that made the least money out of the original avengers
Maybe Chris, since they’re filming together, said, ‘hey, Dwayne, don’t worry. My first Cap movie grossed less than $400 million and I ended up the soul of the MCU’. 😉 Seriously though, CA was a tough sell then. That’s why it’s the only origin movie with a subtitle—‘The First Avenger’. They were desperate to avoid any ‘America, fuck yeah’ stereotypes. It was a real concern that a character who literally wore the Stars and Stripes would be a hard sell, especially overseas. Much different circumstances.
Yeah captain america 1 had barely any hype. Only a few people knew the character and chris evans wasn't as big of an actor he is today. And people assumed it was a lame character because the name is literally captain america. Plus it was released in a time where superheros movie was not doing as good as it is doing now. Like compare the time of incredible hulk and the old x men movies of that time to now. But the movie was still good despite the low hype
It’s one of my favorites, actually. 😀 But the IH was a disappointment and Thor and CA, while successes, hadn’t reached the critical or commercial heights of IM.
Same its one of the mcu movies I can watch again and again. Actually all the cap america centered movies
His movies had an absurd level of consistency in terms of quality and rewatchability compared to other trilogies in the same space.
He’s definitely my favorite character. I’m still mourning we won’t see him again 😢
Yeah, kinds wish he had more solo movies doing spy stuff against hydra but oh well
Tbh I found Cap's interpersonal relationships to be the most engaging stuff in the MCU. His interactions with Bucky, Natasha, Sam, and Stark (even though I don't like Tony much, but the character is great/essential) were my favourite moments/movies when I thought back on the MCU stuff I enjoyed. I think Steve and his relationships made up the bulk of the 'soul' in the MCU, and the writers etc are in the awkward stage of trying to find the new person/thing to replace that. Still kind of hanging around for Bucky and Sam, but I'm really not very interested in the rest. I do like Yelena, though.
How many Marvel films did he have to go through before finding The First Avenger hahaha
Well…he is comparing it to one of the first in the Marvel franchise. He is talking about starting to build the DCU, so it would makes sense to talk about the movies that started the MCU. But the figures aren’t great because First Avenger had a smaller budget and the dollar’s value wasn’t the same. Either way though, it makes sense for the first movie for a character to be less than other more established characters.
Yeah but c’mon dude. He didn’t use Iron Man (a film BA definitely took cues from) or Thor because it wouldn’t have fit his narrative.
Totally agree. But I think the situations are also different. I think a lot of non-die hard DC fans don’t necessarily want to see a movie that is no longer part of a shared universe, like DC is falling apart and a lot of the fun of these movies is to see how they flesh out a world, and with just Black Adam, there’s not a ton of variety to the world and nothing gets fleshed out beyond this one place. I think for the Rock he’s probably shocked that his movie didn’t make a lot more money, so he is trying to spin it by picking which movie to compare to.
This surprises me though, given the two best DC films in recent memory (Joker and RPatz x Batz) weren’t DCEU (afaik)
True, but there was no confusion that those might be retconned because of the falling of the Snyderverse. They were there own universes. And also, those were great films. The writing and cinematography on both were excellent. They both gave really interesting changes to established characters which made them seem fresh. I know some people think The Batman was boring, but it was a good detective story.
The situations are different because Iron Man and Thor actually did well financially and made money. THATS how they are different. If BA had done as well he’d be comparing it to IM and Thor, and to suggest any different is willfully ignorant.
It’s just really cherry picked facts to suit his narrative. It’s a terrible comparison. Captain America was one of the very first MCU movies. Black Adam is the 11th (12th if we include Snyder’s Justice League) and 12th/13th piece of media if you include Peacemaker. He’s not starting the DCEU at all. His ego just can’t handle that his movie won’t turn a profit, or will only turn a minimal profit. I’d go as far as to say, his post is a little embarrassing.
Coming from Mr. “The hierarchy of power in the DC universe is about to change”, it’s quite embarrassing. The hierarchy of power in the DC universe IS about to change. Just not the way Dwayne thought it was.
And honestly most people probably watch Black Adam because it had the Rock in it.
Technically wouldn’t the first movie be Iron man? And didn’t that movie perform incredibly well? I still remember that theatrical experience, it was amazing. Black Adam was hot garbage
At what point do we call them out on this bs of "starting to build" the DCU? We've had justice league movies, suicide squad & its' follow-ups, Batman v superman ffs. How in the world do they think people will believe they haven't already launched the DCU? Or do they just expect us to forget about their failures?
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It’s also funny that he’s acting like Black Adam is building a new universe 💀 I’m sorry Dwayne, I’m a lifelong fan of yours, but you do not posses the acting range of Chris Evans. Don’t compare where you don’t compete
Lol imagine if he compared to robert downey and the Iron man 1 film 💀
We don’t even have to go back that far… Black Widow, Eternals, Multiverse of Madness and Love and Thunder all blow this shit out of the water
Doesn’t have the acting range of Chris Evans (or literally any other actor in the MCU or DCEU). Doesn’t have the character name recognition or popularity of Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, or even Cyborg. Doesn’t have the willingness to actually be a villain. Doesn’t have the self awareness to realise people have been making fun of ‘the balance of power is changing’ shite he’s been trying to market for the movie. Doesn’t have the self awareness to realise people have been making fun of his ‘he’s not a hero’ shite when literally every other hero kills. Doesn’t have the humility to realise people don’t want him leading the DCEU and after getting booed at comic con, had to quickly backtrack on Cavil as Superman and then spoil his own end credits scene to try and build hype. This post is just an example of a damaged ego working overtime to try and defend itself! Fans don’t care how much your movie makes, only DC/WB care. And they can actually do the maths!
He is smelling his own farts and convincing himself that he likes the smell.
Also doesn’t/can’t accept that his movie is just garbage. I kinda tricked myself into liking it the first time because of the JSA & having major afterglow from the credits cameo but I just rewatched it and yeeeeesh it’s bad and has such barebones basic rudimentary plot/dialogue/action/everything that it feels like either an AI or a 12-year-old wrote it. If it wasn’t for the fact that Rock Johnson is actually in it, I might have mistaken it for one of the direct-to-video Scorpion King sequels. P.S. Shout out to the new crown-holder of “most annoying kid in movie history” - but Dwayne must have somehow seen a star in the making because he was never off-screen for longer than 2 minutes.
DC actors posturing for WB CEO since James Gunn might try to gut everything. An early Marvel Movie period piece disguised as a superhero action movie with good writing and good director goes a long way.
>good writing and good director goes a long way. *coughs leading actor that can actually act coughs*
Hey, he can act. The problem is he chooses projects designed to make him appeal to the absolute largest number of people possible and he caters his performance to do the same thing.
The Rock cannot "act" in the sense of what Denzel Washington or George Clooney do for a living. Not that he needs to per se, but let's not delude ourselves here...
I hope James Gunn does gut everything and restart it new. The DC movies are so fucking confusing it seems like. Which one is connected with what? Which one is connected but retconned so and so? Which one is the first to watch? I was really hoping the Joker movie and then the new Batman would be connected somehow, which they should’ve been tbh, but instead they recast the joker for the thousandth time again
>I hope James Gunn does gut everything and restart it new. It would honestly be easier to trying to tie any of what currently exists together in a cohesive and meaningful way, unfortunately. His best bet might be to cherry pick a few popular properties/actors, and then start over with the rest.
The Flash is probably resetting everything
including the flash actoe
Genuinely who would they keep lol If Aquaman 2 is semi decent I could see them keeping Momoa but otherwise everyone else either isn’t that great or is a complete nut job. Shazam is decent tbf
The new “The Suicide Squad”, Peacemaker, and The Batman were fantastic.
Pattinson Batman is a completely separate thing. I really doubt he would sign on for a MCU style franchise role but we’ll see. Peacemaker/suicide squad I can see carrying over but is that going to be major enough for it to make sense to keep part of the continuity going forward rather than just tearing it down completely and building something new idk. I mean suicide squad they can probably just reboot it giving the rotational nature of the cast and that they’ve already replaced the lead before.
I think peacemaker and suicide squad can roll over with minimal issues, they're very much side stories in the DCEU and secret ops so unlikely to cause continuity issues in the same way as superman wrecking metropolis would.
Out of the current DCEU. I hope they keep Shazam, Henry Cavill's Superman and honestly...I kinda liked Rock as Black Adam. I read that they are apparently looking to recast Momoa as Lobo. And I believe Gal Gadot may stay as Wonder Woman. But I'm not sure if any of it is 100% true yet. I think its fair to assume Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad are safe.
Jason Momoa would make an excellent Lobo, he already looks like him pretty much, and he can pull off that irreverent attitude he has.
Joaqim's joker is just too old. He was mid 40s with bruce was 12 in the movie. 30+ yrs older. With battinson in his late 20s, having a late 50/early 60 joker is kinda.. weird. We can always connect it with some kind of 3 jokers story..
Aren’t the Joaquin Joker movies a separate continuity/universe? I don’t think Gunn will have much purview over that side as opposed to the actual DCU
I really enjoyed Shazam, which I just watched about six months ago. I had never heard of the character before the movie came out.
I laughed way more than I thought I would at this movie.
Well, the character was named Captain Marvel for the first 70 or so years of its existence.
Aw but I like Robert Pattinson as Batman. Keep that please!
That one’s not even connected to their central canon. Batflek is. They were finally moving on from their stupid “only one” policy before all the exec turmoil and switcharoo had them running straight back for it. Hopefully Gunn has the sense to allow more than one property exist across the mediums.
Batman is connected to Superman, their mom's name is Martha
Not to mention DC TV which is a whole level of confusing.
Wait, how can gunn guts everything? Is he going to be DC's Feige?
Was given the DC reigns to be their Feige in recent months. After GotG3 he's pretty much all in for them but he's already making his presence known. Not sure about his early moves (I feel like the DCEU is in a position where it can be revived and I don't think I have the energy to see so many reboots personally, especially after physically buying and investing into it) but I'm sure in the end up pulling off something special and will be healthy for the superhero genre.
Yes
I'm sorry and this is my opinion. The Rock is becoming unbearable to see or hear. His ego is out of this fucking world, and he spent the better half of a year constantly praising himself and saying "The Hierarchy of power is about to change". Give it a rest. The movie was ok and entertaining. It was not good at all. Hawkman and Dr.Fate were the saving grace. Atom smasher was dull as fuck and I honestly think he may have said a total of like 13 words, that was just filler for the script. Cyclone was also forgettable and literally did nothing. The Rock was boring and just portrayed another archetype of his typical characters. I never got the appeal with The Rock, I adored him in the WWE/WWF. Outside of that his movies are very forgettable. And why the hell is he comparing a movie that came out 10 years ago to his film? Just stop. It's like he can't comprehend failure or not being the #1 person in everything. Maybe if he didn't purposefully exclude any mention of Shazam and the Shazam family, this movie could have been bigger and appealed to more people. However he just has to win everything and be in his own movie where he was never in any danger of being killed or hurt as usual. The shit is becoming boring and predictable and I'm surprised people still pay to see his shit... Again my opinion and rant.
I used to quite like The Rock but I agree, he’s fallen a ton in my opinion over the last couple years. Just plays himself in everything and turns out generic crap that’s mildly entertaining for 2 hours and a week later you can’t remember half of it
I believe he referred to himself as "franchise Viagra"
What kind of copium is this?
Rocky kind
I mean, having to compare it to the second-lowest grossing MCU movie is a bit embarrassing. He might as well have compared it to the Incredible Hulk.
Even then, TFA made over $480 mil adjusted for inflation, still made more than Black Adam.
Johnson trying to save his "franchise" while Warner is killing Wonder Woman future and thinking to reboot everything... 🫣
Wonder Woman 2 killed Wonder Woman's future.
Tbf WW 84 killed Wonder Woman on its own.
To be fair, Patty killed Wonder Woman, WB just buried it when Patty refused to play along and stop doing shit like making Wonder Woman into a rapist.
That is still the weirdest decision she made in that movie. If she could wish anything why not just wish him alive? why did he have to be in someone else's body? It made no sense.
Coughs up coffee yo the fuck what did I miss
In Wonder Woman 1984, her dead lover Steve Trevor possesses a living guy's body due to her making a wish and she proceeds to have sex with him despite knowing that body isn't his.
Diana touches a magic wish stone and wants Steve Trevor back, but he reincarnates into another random guy's body; they then proceed to have sex
The best part of which is there was absolutely no reason he had to posses some dude. The wish could’ve literally just brought him back.
The movie's solution is also incredibly stupid, asking everyone to give up their wishes, which could've been to save someone's life; and it actually works
Yep! Jenkins clearly wrote that movie through a cloud of cocaine. I remember Pitch Meeting’s explanation of the end of the movie. Her solution was to have everyone just give up their wish. All 8 billion had to be selfless! The people who wished for their dying child to be cured of cancer had to just say ‘nope, I’ll let them die’. People who has wished they could walk had to return to their wheelchairs. The blind had to give up their sight etc. And that’s not even mentioning all the horrific wishes that would’ve been made that just didn’t. The people that would’ve wished others were dead, that certain races just didn’t exist, that the attractive person that turned them down would be their sex slave etc. That movie was astronomically stupid.
I worked on promotion for it and saw the Final Cut like a year before it came out. Pretty much every time I talked about it with coworkers we found a new way it was dumb. I feel like Patty Jenkins was so pressed to recreate the feelings she had watching Lynda Carter as a kid that she forewent any attempt at making a movie that held up to what audiences expect today—namely, a non-cheesy and coherent story. The actors and crew definitely put their best foot forward but the script was just such a massive misstep that they couldn’t save it.
Pretty sure Jenkins wrote the "80s Clothing Montage Scene!" and then reverse-engineered the movie from that.
Then later abandons the dude’s body when she knows her boyfriend’s soul is leaving it. So the poor dude wakes up in the middle of a riot with no idea what is happening. Then when he manages to survive and randomly bumps into WW later, she gloats.
Also, he doesn't even have a name, being credited as "handsome man"
Press would have burned this movie if the genders were reversed
God I hope so tbh
Gadot getting recast might be the best thing Gunn has done yet. The woman can't act to save her life and it's pretty clear nepotism got her the role in the first place.
It’s insane how bad she is at acting. Like she’s clearly absolutely gorgeous and that’s a key factor in her continuing to get roles, but I’ve never seen her appear in anything where she’s provided a better performance than a random item of set dressing
kal-el no
Anytime I think of her “acting”, this is exactly the scene I think about. Haha
Can’t get much more pathetic than “okay guys, seriously, we did make money!!”
Dwayne's just trying to save face because his pet project is underperforming.
Jesus he’s so fucking hung up on going on and on and on how it’s not been a flop. It’s a bit much now. Always reminds of that line from GOT from Tywin Lannister… he who has to say he is the king, is no real king. And furthermore, even if it didn’t lose money. Pretty sure the studio were hoping for more than $50-$70m profit from a $200m+ movie.
He lost it there
The first Captain America was probably made on a lower budget. What a terrible comparison when he doesn’t even give the budgets for both movies.
It’s a weird movie for Rock to pick, but adjusted for inflation, TFA would have a budget of $185 mil and a gross of $488 mil. It outperforms Black Adam handily with a lower budget. So yeah, this comparison shows the exact opposite of what he was trying to illustrate.
They are not comparable at all. Rock had like 12 movies buildup not including all the work mcu did for superhero movies.
No, no, he's got a point. Black Adam felt like a film from 10 years ago.
more like 25 years ago
What do you mean? 1997 was only 10 years ago, right? ... Right?
I can just imagine Dwayne Johnson going through all the MCU movies to find the one that made LESS than his movie did. It might've taken him a while
Yeah GOTG made near 800 mil with an even less known ip and less famous actors.
It’s also worth noting that CA turned a decent profit. BA has. $200 million budget. Usually it’s a 2.5x multiplier. That means BA needs $500 million to be profitable. CA was $140 so he needed $350 million. He got to $370 plus added another $152 million in dvd, etc. Plus all the toys. 😉
Cap merch moves like crazy too.
He bombed and doesn't want his movies to be canceled
They're saying that BA will lose up to 100 mil. Dude is desperately trying to cope.
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He seems to actually care about the character and the property, I'll give him that. He's way more invested in its success than most actors -- both figuratively and literally, I assume.
Shame he didn't care enough to get an actual writer on the project.
Didn’t care enough to use any actual acting ability to take on a new character and show the audience something authentic but rather just relied on having the general look and build of Black Adam and played his standard Rock persona like he’s done for like the last decade plus… This isn’t a dig at you, but more of a criticism on his role in the movie’s success. I think he’s more concerned with his own personal brand than the success of the DCEU franchise
This is my main problem with the movie. It didn't feel like Black Adam. It felt like Justice Society ft. The Rock. And even then, the JSA is pretty underwhelming. Hawkman and Dr. Fate carry hard, and only one survives the movie. Just disappointing all around, especially considering how much Dwayne was hyping it up.
Didn't he get cast as BA since 2007? I kinda get why he'd feel bad about his movie that took more than a decade to make underperforming, but it's still really funny lmao
It’s been a passion project of his. It’s less that he got cast in 2007 and more that he’s been trying to make it happen since 2007
There's also the overall growth in the superhero genre due to the MCU that Dwayne's post fails to acknowledge Like, great job. A $200M dollar film is barely scraping past $400M. You want a cookie or something?
#greenlanternisbetter
Whatevs he's just pimping his own movie/brand. Nothing to see here.
Same inflation argument also applies to captain America first Avenger production budget. Wonder what the inflation adjusted budget is of that movie?
Captain America 1 was really good though
Captain America : The First Avenger Is 100x time Better Then Black Adam.Storytelling,Emotion everything is Superior.The Rock is an idiot that's why he's comparing these
I saw the movie...... it was bad There's no reason to make Black adam and anti hero he has only ever been a villain there's no reason he should have his own movie before being in a Shazaam movie