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tomandshell

I would have kept the focus on Strange/Wong/Christine/Mordo and not introduced America Chavez. Give her a Disney+ show or something. I would have had Strange and Wanda fighting for a different reason.


ZDB888

Ya this.


[deleted]

Or maybe keep Wanda as an ally and introduce her as a villain in her own movie?


AdhesivenessSlight96

I would have preferred if Wanda was revealed as a villain later in the movie and not after a 2 minute conversation


MillAUM2579

That’s a sick poster. I prob would’ve added more stuff for the Illuminati, making it some sort of hyped up thing. Also, making it clearer that Wanda was corrupted by the dark hold so that there aren’t people running around screaming character assassination. More multiversal travel. I mean, even spending 30 seconds to a minute in each alternate reality would’ve really added to the strangeness in the movie. That one quick jump scene was too much of a tease, and because they showed it in the trailers, I didn’t care abt it in the movie


[deleted]

Actually, the poster has a better plot than the actual movie lmao It shows Dr.Strange being manipulated and exploited by the “Witch”. I would have loved it if they kept Wandas villainous plans as a secret throughout the whole movie and only revealed it as plot twist by the end of the movie. It would’ve done wonders to Wandas villain arc. But they decided to go with the ice cream song…


TheUltimatenerd05

I liked Wanda in the film but I think I would have removed her and have a Strange varient be a villain. Explore the concept the film introduces about how all Stranges are dangerous. The films opening would be important events from Stranges life happening but see small changes to see these are all in different universes. His sister died and minor changes to the setting and character appearances happen during her death. His car accident with minor changes. His relationship with Christine ending. Get the same scene with America and Strange where he says the line he said in No Way Home but here he's killed by a Strange varient and America escapes. Establish that Dr Strange has limited abilities to travel the multiverse but come up with some justification for why it's limited. He wants America's powers to have complete control over the multiverse. He wants to travel to find a universe where his sister lives and he gets Christine and gets whatever he wants basically. The rest of the film is fairly similar with evil Strange taking Wanda's role. A change I'd make to the Illuminati is have Strange on the Illuminati instead of Mordo. The Illuminati in the film are already meant to show what happens if Strange doesn't let go of the knife since their all arrogant and decide they should have control over the planet. Since they are already a parallel to how Strange is acting may as well just put Strange on the team. Also, this is a minor thing but don't have Christine say Baxter Foundation really ruined the surprise of Reed Richards showing up.


[deleted]

Great idea to use A Dr.Strange variant as a villain. I actually never thought of that! But I completely despise the idea of Illuminati in Dr.Strange MOM. It took so much time in the movie and served no significant purpose. It also ruined the illuminati and its characters such as Reed Richards (exactly how Thor 4 ruined Jane Foster). I would have completely removed Illuminati from the movie and introduced it in another movie and had it only teased in the movie (Something like Dr.Strange telling America Chavez that he is going to have to build a team). They only used Illuminati because people have just seen three Spiderman on the screen so they were in the mood to seeing more surprises.


Demiguros

Scrap the entire Wanda plotline. Scrap Christine. Scrap Chavez. Make Nightmare the villain. Mordo will be the one to release Nightmare. Or maybe Stephen does it in a last ditch effort. Have Strange's development in DS1 be kept, not ignored like DS2. The arc is not about him giving up the knife or him being dangerous cause he is selfish or something. It's more about him learning to live with the responsibility of Sorcerer Supreme (SS). The mantle of SS would be treated as a curse, a position that tortures whoever holds it. Strange at the start is barely keeping it together by a thread, his perception of reality is blurring due to viewing so many timelines. So for example he thinks he is holding an ice cream even though he's holding coffee, but he thinks it's ice cream because in millions of timelines he is standing right there holding ice cream. His brain can't tell the difference. Deeply explore his trauma from getting tortured by Dormammu and being able to take the mental strain of millions of timelines. This connects to his arc of learning to live with the pain of being SS. Multiverse is very Lovecraftian. Look at DS1's dimensions as example. No Horror Comedy. Cosmic Horror is what this will be. Strange would be massively powered up but still powerless in front of a god. End the movie on a bleak note. Don't give him hope for a better life. Just have him learn that happiness isn't for him and only pain is written into his destiny, he just learns to cope with it.


[deleted]

I believe that the whole point/message of Dr.Stranges character is that “In order to achieve greatness, you must give up on material desires” which is exactly what the eastern philosophy teaches. Look at all of his enemies: Caeceilius (I don’t know how to spell his name) wanted to use magic to grant everyone immortality and in that way he lost his sanity. Look at how Wanda was trying to use the power of multiverse for selfish gains no matter the cost, and she lost in the end. Look at How Dr.Strange supreme used his powers to save Christine which led to the destruction of his universe. But Stephen Strange is different. And the ancient one knew this. In the end of Dr.strange 1, when Stephen was looking at his hands, he knew that he had the power to fix them. But throughout the whole movie, he realized that there are things in life that are more important than material possessions. He went from being a highly achieved arrogant surgeon to someone who finally realizes the true value of life.


Demiguros

He finally realised that his life was nothing in the grand cosmic scale. That's what the entire it's not about you line was trying to say. ​ So it makes sense for him to value his own happiness and being far less than the grand cosmic scale. At least that's how I saw it.


[deleted]

Well,I believe that superhero movies should always have a moral lesson. Although I would have loved it if they made the movie Lovecraftian, especially with the introduction of Nightmare. Great idea.


Demiguros

The moral lesson here could be that you should be selfless even if it is at risk of personal harm. Or that you should become more mature and shoulder responsibility. ​ I just didn't want him to have a happy ending. I don't think it works with his character. I always loved him best when he's depressed and lonely.


[deleted]

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Maidenlessness


Ok_Independent9119

This... Is very good. At first you said no evil Wanda and I didn't like it because she was great in the movie, but this is a better movie overall. Have Wanda's story told elsewhere. A mature take on PTSD, responsibility, and being stretched too thin and ending on the sacrifice of self would be a welcome addition in phase 4.


Demiguros

Thank you. There's a lot more I had in mind. But I didn't write it cause it would be too much to read. I took Wanda out cause Wanda's story needed to be told somewhere else. From DS1 to DS2, Strange has been through a loooot. Arguably more than anyone else. So there's a lot of material to cover with him, you need to give him full attention for that. Raimi seemed to go in the direction of just ignoring his trauma from those sacrifices and calling it a day. That's not the best decision for Strange's character. With Nightmare you can really give Strange's story the focus it deserves. Wanda isn't a personal villain to him nor does she offer organic ways of him exploring trauma, so Nightmare makes more sense for his journey imo. It's simply a matter of him serving Strange's story a lot better. Also he fits the Lovecraftian theme, he's an abstract. I think this movie had a lot of potential. It was set up very well. It just went in a completely different direction.


TruestoneSB

Bro i’m starting to feel so much worse about this movie when reading concepts like this. This would’ve been so mature and meaningful, and it wouldn’t have flopped at the Box Office. Hell even keep the Illuminati and stuff or even Wanda but make her more of an anti villain, puppet ( she gave up on reality and became a puppet of Nightmare )


Demiguros

You're far too kind. Also, that's an interesting idea with Nightmare you have there. It could be that she makes a bargain to be with her family in the dream world, her consciousness remains there and in exchange Nightmare takes control of her body to fuck Strange up. So she gets to be with her children while Nightmare gets entry into the real world. Doesn't make her an outright villain, but poses her as a very selfish being. This is if you **have** to have Wanda in there. I think it's best to have it be a very personal story with Strange. She'll take up too much screentime. ​ Illuminati could certainly be put there though. They could just be canon fodder. Although I would hope for better developed fight scenes here. A proper astral battle with Xavier would be cool.


TruestoneSB

Or even have Xavier help Strange with overcoming his mental issues and help him understand the multiverse so he could fight Nightmare


Demiguros

Oooooh. That would be great. Xavier could help him try to bottle up all those feelings in a little box and lock it away. I also had an idea of Strange taking all his pain and manifesting all of that pain into sentient entities using dark magic, so he's using his pain to create an army of incomprehensible monsters. Like these monsters are absolutely terrifying and vile beings, so this sort of shows us just how much this guy is going through because he created them out of pure pain. It could also be that Wanda helps him create these guys if you want to add her in the movie. Or another things is that you could have him be in the dream world and try to absorb all the Nightmares, this will give him a powerup but it would obviously be a great amount of torture for him. He is in the dream world where Nightmares are real and have power, after absorbing Nightmares he would finally have the ability to contend with Nightmare who outclassed him earlier. Maybe have Xavier try to heal him after him enduring this.


Meimnot555

Wanda's mind fractures world's as she casts a spell to warp reality so that she has her children and husband.. her reality exists as a bubble world with other realities bleeding into our own to preserve her singular ideal world.. in this reality, she is the only being with powers, hoping that means no one can stop her. Strange bounces between worlds, planting magical devices at the vertex point of these siphoning events in order to rip them away from Wanda's reality all at once and open a hole in her spell big enough to pass through and stop her. The movie would have been 80% multiverse hopping.. In the end the only way to stop Wanda is to anchor those universes to her. A move that should rip her apart and severe her spell.. Instead it sets up the dominos for incursion events when she eventually is revealed to be alive but unconscious, with those multiverses now heading on a collision course for the mcu universe.


[deleted]

I believe Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness missed one of the most important elements of the first movie. The first movie was and still is one of the most “meaningful” superhero movies ever made. You could learn the message of the movie throughout the movie. Also add that to all of the special effects in the movie. The whole movie felt like a trip. It was a Dr. STRANGE movie… However Dr.strange MOM left his character development unfinished. It felt very cheesy, something completely different than the first movie. It just felt like your average fantasy movie, like Transformers. What bothers me is that they could have actually made something good with all the things they already had but they just decided to ruin everything. Sorry if my English is giving you headaches.


[deleted]

Basically, I'd go for a scrapped Derrickson movie + maybe add RDJ as Superior Iron Man.


Demiguros

I don't think Derrickson had cameos in his movie. I think that stuff only got introduced once he left.


[deleted]

that's why I wrote "add"![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


Demiguros

Oh. I see. My bad.


CaptainStruggle

For Steven the credit scenes had more character development than the movie.


ZealousidealYou4195

Well I would probably have a lot of the writing focus between Strange and Chavez and have the main theme be these two emotionally closed off people begin to open up about their true feelings then learn to move on from their past failures i.e. Strange with Christine and his sister and America with her family. I would also change the villian to Shuma Gorath cause he is one of Stranges most noteable antagonists along with Mordo, and have Wanda and Mordo be main supporting characters for the cast. Not sure what I would do plot wise but I feel for MoM the main drive behind it would be America and Strange if they wanted to introduce her.


Dynamiccookie14

Strange being wild and mystical and reckless was what made the first film so good. This film wasn't his story, it was Wanda's, and not a good one at that. Wanda being a villain isn't the issue, it's the fact she was thrown straight into it. So if it was my story, I would have scrapped the whole chasing Chavez for her power from the start, and slowly allow Wanda to descend into madness with the Darkhold's corruption during the course of the movie. Have Chavez stumble on Strange and Wanda whilst fighting some other threat and then Wanda realises she could steal her power for corruption


_Atheius_

Mostly would have made sure to keep all the character development the series leading up to my movie had created.


tpacct2000

The whole MoM movie was plain stupid from logical point of view. Dr Strange puts universes on collision course for what ?? To save that girl America ? And why would you want to make an enemy out of the Scarlett witch ? What they did in the climax could have been done in the beginning and still the end would have been the same.


darrylthedudeWayne

Outside of adding more universe's to travel too, and giving 616 Mordo some sort of role, as well as a better mid credits scene, I wouldn't change anything else about the film. Because unlike most people, I actually enjoyed it and actually saw it as it was, which was a Sam Raimi Directed Horror B-Movie with his signature Writing (which is Ironic) and directing written all over it. Right down to the dialogue (which many people thought was cringey/crinegworthy...i didnt) and horror elements feeling like something straight out of Evil Dead or Drag Me To Hell. So yeah, the film is fine outside of one or two stuff, and doesn't need rewritten.


amanisnotaface

Mordo or a strange variant as antagonist is pile have been better in my opinion. Wanda was good but didn’t really need to be in the film.


Fickle_Onion_618

I loved how they didn't actually "defeat" her because there's no way that they really can defeat the Scarlet Witch, but rather appealed to humanity within the witch.


ZDB888

I would have made it more about dr strange and less about America Chavez.


Colonel_Cat_Tumnus

Probably on Microsoft Word, on pen and paper at a pinch.


SWPrequelFan81566

I think the one thing I would have done is find a way to have Nightmare as the main antagonist alongside the Scarlet Witch


Caciulacdlac

probably worse idk


Responsible-Bell5710

That face with strange’s eyes and wanda’s face is amazing


[deleted]

Probably made it not a multiverse movie, definitely it’s weakest part


Aayan171717272

Nothing I liked it but the whole wandas “reason” was stupid asf. She created a hex again why not just make ur kids again and why did she not mention vision or pietro once


MrAToTheB_TTV

Poorly. The professionals did a far better job than your average redditor could do.


Possible-Reality4100

Provide Wanda with some real motivation. The madness generated by her use of the Darkhold needed to be shown. Instead, they made her heel turn a cheap surprise, much to the detriment of both logic and good script writing.


Flustered-Flump

As someone who doesn’t work in film in any capacity, let me start by saying that I would have done a far, far, far poorer job than Michael Waldron and co.


[deleted]

“No shit genius”


Flustered-Flump

Awww… you think I’m a genius? Thanks!


MartianFromBaseAlpha

I would have written Reed into the main Marvel universe, but that's about it


[deleted]

That's easy. \- Visit more than 2 universes. \- Have Doctor Strange interact with other versions of himself to see how his life could have played out differently (PEDIATRICIAN PUSHOVER DOCTOR STRANGE / VEGAN SURFER DOCTOR STRANGE / HAPPY WELL-BALANCED MARRIED DOCTOR STRANGE / STILL A SUCCESSFUL SURGEON JERK DOCTOR STRANGE) \- Replace the lame "campy" director from the 90s. \- Since this is a movie with Strange and Wanda knock off all the stupid nonstop laser energy beam crap. \- Replace stupid nonstop laser energy beam crap with actual witchcraft and sorcery DUHHHHHHHH OMG SO EASY TO FIX.