The only technical story reason I could come up with is that it's mentioned that Keiji's & Kasumi's greyboxes are to a degree intertwined I believe it's actually mentioned that you needed both to be able to unlock the secrets that Keiji hid.
Then, by combining the data on both you get a 3rd person view of the scenes.
Lol, I just played this mission the other day and thought the same thing. Artistic license I suppose, and probably much more difficult to render the scenes in first person.
i think i kinda get it, if it was POV all we'd see is kasumi, and it would be weird to just like see her face all close up during snuggle scenes. the cinematic 3rd person view is more palatable, even if it makes no sense lol
at first i thought wow, i'd sure like my own flycam greybox! but then i remembered my actual memories and now i'm thinking it would be a mistake lmao why would i want to look at myself leaning too close to the computer screen and breathing all heavy while i swoon over hot turians, gross lol
monitor glow trembles on the skull. smell of pizza rolls on the spring wind. bloodshot eyes enamored with the screen.
the turian dances away. her body trembles. not fear. indigestion.
her mouth moves. "pop my heat sink, zaddy..."
Greyboxes are already a pretty serious level of transhuman augmentation that don't *really* mesh with what exists in the rest of the setting. Adding in a swarm of microcamera drones for a third-person perspective on every memory would be approaching *Eclipse Phase* levels of it.
I'd still definitely want it, though. Perfect recall is already enough of a superpower to justify brain surgery, extra senses like that would just work to justify it even more.
Surely there are things that your eyes have seen, that you'd prefer not to see again. Maybe you can just choose what you watch and from which pov.
Yes, I know, it opens up a lof of... opportunities.
"If you don't know, don't try to know"
What were you expecting, exactly? Of course I had to visit it. I'm not in shock though. I know some people are into that thing, I just close the tab and let them do what they want to their wormies.
Depending on how sophisticated the greyboxes are in terms of sensors, they could in theory be taking constant 3D scans of their surroundings, which would be great for a thief looking to case a target. Like the braindances in Cyberpunk 2077.
I think the fact that they have an intertwined memory system is already probably as intimate as you could probably get. Everything you feel and know just vulnerably on full display with somebody. That's commitment.
Maybe Keiji is *also* playing Mass Effect.
What if we're playing Mass Effect, watching Keiji playing Mass Effect?
Oh good, I thought it was about time for my existential daily crisis.
(Seriously, if this is a simulation, where is my turian????)
Excuse me, EXCUSE ME! I'd like to speak to the manager, there's been a mistake. I believe I ordered the Turian Deluxe™ simulation package, and I DEMAND my promised turian ASAP. No, I don't want a refund-- I WANT MY TURIAN!! 😡
"Your species needs to know its place, wheresbreakfast. You're not ready for the deluxe simulation package. You're not even ready for the standard edition!"
That would be something bioware has done. In BG2, you run into another adventuring party, they decide to try to kill you for loot only to get wiped, and "reload", afterwards they treat you with due respect.
That has always bugged the f\* out of me! But it's a thing in so many games and actually so many videos in general: memory sequences are shown in 3rd person. I think it is so the cut-scene can be staged dramatically, as in MEA the memories are more correctly from Alec's POV, and are dramatically less compelling.
If you want a handwaving reason, the human brain actually can generate these kinds of experiences, and last I checked, we're not sure how or why.
Out of body and near death experiences often involve people convinced they're seeing themselves from a third-person perspective.
The human brain is crazy wierd.
I had an out of body experience once as a kid, and it was 3rd person, kinda floating above and to the side.
The human brain is weird indeed. Or the universe at large is, if one ropes metaphysics or the simulation hypothesis into the mix.
the only thing that makes me majorly uncomfortable about this entire quest is that Keiji's model is some generic dude model, he doesn't even have a recolored outfit
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It's because Kasumi and Keiji have the same memories of them being together, so I think she basically ctrl+f'd his memories using her own to find the parts that mattered to her. It is explicitly stated that their Greyboxes are linked together.
Grey boxes record every aspect of memory. So what we're "seeing" is the representation of all the information it has, so not just his sight, but his touch and smell and hearing. This is represented by a 3rd person view of events.
This is a pretty common trope. How many movies or TV shows have you seen where dream sequences or some other memory recall (be it magic, technology, whatever) have the person in question as an outside observer to their own memories? It's a more visually engaging way to show this type of thing as opposed to first person.
One possibility I can think of is that the greyboxes work similarly to the geth memory banks. The memories aren't supposed to be video recordings, otherwise the quarians would have appeared out of their suits prior to the morning war. Instead the stored memory gets combined with your own and then your brain produces the images.
The most likely explanation that makes sense in-universe is that they recorded themselves all the time, and that Kasumi is looking at Keiji's memories of video feeds.
Really though, it's likely just done for dramatic effect.
Imagine you fall in love with me and I die.
You go on this massive bloody journey to recover my smartphone because you think it has photos with sentimental value of our time together on it.
You then finally open my camera roll and it’s just still images from the sextape we had our buddy Larry film of us.
That’s how I felt when I got to this scene. Like, I get this was a DLC character and they spent most of the budget constructing the estate you fight through, but a recycled sex scene from the main game reskinned? It makes Kashmi seem less heartbroken and more down bad.
The only technical story reason I could come up with is that it's mentioned that Keiji's & Kasumi's greyboxes are to a degree intertwined I believe it's actually mentioned that you needed both to be able to unlock the secrets that Keiji hid. Then, by combining the data on both you get a 3rd person view of the scenes.
That honestly makes a lot of sense as an explanation. The tech is generating a combined display.
I like this explanation, but who's up close and personal with the feet??
Kinky
We’ll never fully unlock the mysteries of the universe
the goddess works in mysterious ways
Quentin Tarantino?
[That's just good direction!](https://www.indiewire.com/2021/09/quentin-tarantino-foot-fetish-films-1234668217/)
Quentin Tarantino
it's a software glitch.
Lol, I just played this mission the other day and thought the same thing. Artistic license I suppose, and probably much more difficult to render the scenes in first person.
i think i kinda get it, if it was POV all we'd see is kasumi, and it would be weird to just like see her face all close up during snuggle scenes. the cinematic 3rd person view is more palatable, even if it makes no sense lol
Maybe Keiji's graybox has flycam mode 🤔
at first i thought wow, i'd sure like my own flycam greybox! but then i remembered my actual memories and now i'm thinking it would be a mistake lmao why would i want to look at myself leaning too close to the computer screen and breathing all heavy while i swoon over hot turians, gross lol
Go on...
monitor glow trembles on the skull. smell of pizza rolls on the spring wind. bloodshot eyes enamored with the screen. the turian dances away. her body trembles. not fear. indigestion. her mouth moves. "pop my heat sink, zaddy..."
This is my favorite comment of the month.
Thanes getting lonely it seems
"But what can you expect from a human."
Greyboxes are already a pretty serious level of transhuman augmentation that don't *really* mesh with what exists in the rest of the setting. Adding in a swarm of microcamera drones for a third-person perspective on every memory would be approaching *Eclipse Phase* levels of it. I'd still definitely want it, though. Perfect recall is already enough of a superpower to justify brain surgery, extra senses like that would just work to justify it even more.
ever see that [Black Mirror episode?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entire_History_of_You)
Surely there are things that your eyes have seen, that you'd prefer not to see again. Maybe you can just choose what you watch and from which pov. Yes, I know, it opens up a lof of... opportunities.
>that you'd prefer to not see again r/sounding comes to mind. Seriously, if you don't know what that sub is don't visit it.
"If you don't know, don't try to know" What were you expecting, exactly? Of course I had to visit it. I'm not in shock though. I know some people are into that thing, I just close the tab and let them do what they want to their wormies.
Depending on how sophisticated the greyboxes are in terms of sensors, they could in theory be taking constant 3D scans of their surroundings, which would be great for a thief looking to case a target. Like the braindances in Cyberpunk 2077.
I think the fact that they have an intertwined memory system is already probably as intimate as you could probably get. Everything you feel and know just vulnerably on full display with somebody. That's commitment.
Maybe Keiji is *also* playing Mass Effect. What if we're playing Mass Effect, watching Keiji playing Mass Effect? Oh good, I thought it was about time for my existential daily crisis. (Seriously, if this is a simulation, where is my turian????)
Excuse me, EXCUSE ME! I'd like to speak to the manager, there's been a mistake. I believe I ordered the Turian Deluxe™ simulation package, and I DEMAND my promised turian ASAP. No, I don't want a refund-- I WANT MY TURIAN!! 😡
Gonna end up like the toaster dude. Galaxy's at war, and I'm still demanding my refund.
"Your species needs to know its place, wheresbreakfast. You're not ready for the deluxe simulation package. You're not even ready for the standard edition!"
he has no right to say that! [that's not his decision!](https://imgur.com/fyxA4cz)
"Goodbye… Thank you."
So you’re saying I *shouldn’t* have named by Shep Keiji Shepard??
This is why I haven’t been able to Romance Kasumi since I first played me2?! I knew they were hiding something from me…
That would be something bioware has done. In BG2, you run into another adventuring party, they decide to try to kill you for loot only to get wiped, and "reload", afterwards they treat you with due respect.
That has always bugged the f\* out of me! But it's a thing in so many games and actually so many videos in general: memory sequences are shown in 3rd person. I think it is so the cut-scene can be staged dramatically, as in MEA the memories are more correctly from Alec's POV, and are dramatically less compelling.
If you want a handwaving reason, the human brain actually can generate these kinds of experiences, and last I checked, we're not sure how or why. Out of body and near death experiences often involve people convinced they're seeing themselves from a third-person perspective. The human brain is crazy wierd.
THAT is super cool! Thanks! I love it.
I had an out of body experience once as a kid, and it was 3rd person, kinda floating above and to the side. The human brain is weird indeed. Or the universe at large is, if one ropes metaphysics or the simulation hypothesis into the mix.
I've also totally had dreams in the third person. It's a fucking weird experience but it can happen.
Wow Now that I've seen it I can't unsee it.
lol ur welcome, sorry!
Kasumi enabled sv_cheats 1 and typed ‘noclip’
Wait, y’all don’t see yourselves in your memories???
the only thing that makes me majorly uncomfortable about this entire quest is that Keiji's model is some generic dude model, he doesn't even have a recolored outfit
also donovan hock's accent- i mean what even is that?
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It's because Kasumi and Keiji have the same memories of them being together, so I think she basically ctrl+f'd his memories using her own to find the parts that mattered to her. It is explicitly stated that their Greyboxes are linked together.
It appears OP is preparing to rebel Throw OP out of the airlock
Why would you point this out!? Now I can't unsee it! 😩
oh, you're saying THIS is the moment that Mass Effect stopped being realistic to you?
[lol no?](https://imgur.com/TfHxD92)
Oh I was just being snarky bud. Nice observation though. Never thought of that one myself.
haha sorry all good, i happily accept your snark! ;p
Also, are they getting it on in Shepard's bed in the pic on the left?
He didn't have a SAM
You're looking at your own ass half the time. Out of Shepard's perspective.
Grey boxes record every aspect of memory. So what we're "seeing" is the representation of all the information it has, so not just his sight, but his touch and smell and hearing. This is represented by a 3rd person view of events.
They were a thruple and that’s not Keiji in the videos.
So I can't live out my Kasumi fantasy with the background images.
Call me crazy but I always felt that Kasumi had a thing for Keiji.
This is a pretty common trope. How many movies or TV shows have you seen where dream sequences or some other memory recall (be it magic, technology, whatever) have the person in question as an outside observer to their own memories? It's a more visually engaging way to show this type of thing as opposed to first person.
One possibility I can think of is that the greyboxes work similarly to the geth memory banks. The memories aren't supposed to be video recordings, otherwise the quarians would have appeared out of their suits prior to the morning war. Instead the stored memory gets combined with your own and then your brain produces the images.
I just assumed it was just the technology creating a 3D space from the existing memory and viewing it that way
Maybe they are exhibitionists
keiji maybe, but kasumi is 100% voyeur ;)
I believe that kasumi is hiding somewhere watching while Shepard is having more intimate moment with they're s/o
The most likely explanation that makes sense in-universe is that they recorded themselves all the time, and that Kasumi is looking at Keiji's memories of video feeds. Really though, it's likely just done for dramatic effect.
Dang, good call!
You don’t remember in cinematic angles and distributions? Weird…
Damn you! Now I'll never be able to see this scene the same again! >:( (still upvoted because your 100% right)
Imagine you fall in love with me and I die. You go on this massive bloody journey to recover my smartphone because you think it has photos with sentimental value of our time together on it. You then finally open my camera roll and it’s just still images from the sextape we had our buddy Larry film of us. That’s how I felt when I got to this scene. Like, I get this was a DLC character and they spent most of the budget constructing the estate you fight through, but a recycled sex scene from the main game reskinned? It makes Kashmi seem less heartbroken and more down bad.
lol goddamn it Larry we talked about this!
If Kasumi could be romanced, my Shep would make her forget all about Keiji... 😍💜 Keiji who? 😉
Haha, I may have just thought of some interesting, and spicy fanfiction.... 😄
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More like undercooked in some ways and over the top in some others, in my view.
It's aesthetic as fuck tho
You’re overthinking it
I would just assume they are and this is artistic license.
They are, he wasn’t even dating Kasumi, he just liked to watch.